> @rcs1000 said: > @Sean_F said: > Wellbeing meaning whatever the government tells you is wellbeing. > > +++++++++++ > > Gross National Happiness has not been an obvious success in Bhutan.
First in ease of doing business, economic freedom and peace. Least corrupt country in South Asia. Admittedly the competition ain't great.
> @Big_G_NorthWales said: > > @HYUFD said: > > Sir Elton John has said he feels “ashamed” of the UK while seemingly > > criticising “stupid, colonial English idiots” who voted for Brexit. > > > > “I am sick to death of Brexit,“ he continued to cheers from the crowd. ”I am a European. I am not a stupid, colonial, imperialist English idiot.” > > > > He added: “I’m ashamed of my country for what it has done. It’s torn people apart.” > > > > https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/elton-john-attacks-brexit-and-says-hes-not-a-stupid-colonial-english-idiot-during-concert/ar-AACbLut?ocid=spartanntp > > I have great sympathy with his view. My daughter who is non political said yesterday she was ashamed at the way we are making ourselves a laughing stock. It takes something for her to comment
Brexit is definitely affecting how Swedes view England. Up until recently they thought the sun shone out of America’s and England’s arses. Trump and Brexit have given them a rude awakening.
> @StuartDickson said: > > @Big_G_NorthWales said: > > > @HYUFD said: > > > Sir Elton John has said he feels “ashamed” of the UK while seemingly > > > criticising “stupid, colonial English idiots” who voted for Brexit. > > > > > > “I am sick to death of Brexit,“ he continued to cheers from the crowd. ”I am a European. I am not a stupid, colonial, imperialist English idiot.” > > > > > > He added: “I’m ashamed of my country for what it has done. It’s torn people apart.” > > > > > > https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/elton-john-attacks-brexit-and-says-hes-not-a-stupid-colonial-english-idiot-during-concert/ar-AACbLut?ocid=spartanntp > > > > I have great sympathy with his view. My daughter who is non political said yesterday she was ashamed at the way we are making ourselves a laughing stock. It takes something for her to comment > > Brexit is definitely affecting how Swedes view England. Up until recently they thought the sun shone out of America’s and England’s arses. Trump and Brexit have given them a rude awakening.
> @rottenborough said: > Every day brings new reasons to think we are all going utterly mad: > > https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1134538820781793280 > > I never want to hear any opinion other than that with which I already agree. > > How do you know until you have heard the speaker? > > I just know.
She has the right to her opinions. And doctors have the right not to wish to listen to them.
Not once in that Rory video did he mention that there are four adult social care systems in the UK. Despite being in Edinburgh he kept banging on about “our” social care system. Just bizarre.
I'm sure that headline is true, but I do find it interesting that it keeps needing to be a headline - clearly plenty of people are still worried Corbyn will try to Brexit somehow.
> @StuartDickson said: > > @Big_G_NorthWales said: > > > @HYUFD said: > > > Sir Elton John has said he feels “ashamed” of the UK while seemingly > > > criticising “stupid, colonial English idiots” who voted for Brexit. > > > > > > “I am sick to death of Brexit,“ he continued to cheers from the crowd. ”I am a European. I am not a stupid, colonial, imperialist English idiot.” > > > > > > He added: “I’m ashamed of my country for what it has done. It’s torn people apart.” > > > > > > https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/elton-john-attacks-brexit-and-says-hes-not-a-stupid-colonial-english-idiot-during-concert/ar-AACbLut?ocid=spartanntp > > > > I have great sympathy with his view. My daughter who is non political said yesterday she was ashamed at the way we are making ourselves a laughing stock. It takes something for her to comment > > Brexit is definitely affecting how Swedes view England. Up until recently they thought the sun shone out of America’s and England’s arses. Trump and Brexit have given them a rude awakening.
Whilst the many Norwegians I know are still wondering why we don't just get on with it.
Can't the Tories just crawl off somewhere and do their therapy in private without involving us, please.
While unlikely, perhaps we can help them achieve something useful from the thearpy if we observe it. I shudder to think the sorts of things they get up to in their dank caves and association meetings.
> @Richard_Tyndall said: > > @StuartDickson said: > > > @Big_G_NorthWales said: > > > > @HYUFD said: > > > > Sir Elton John has said he feels “ashamed” of the UK while seemingly > > > > criticising “stupid, colonial English idiots” who voted for Brexit. > > > > > > > > “I am sick to death of Brexit,“ he continued to cheers from the crowd. ”I am a European. I am not a stupid, colonial, imperialist English idiot.” > > > > > > > > He added: “I’m ashamed of my country for what it has done. It’s torn people apart.” > > > > > > > > https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/elton-john-attacks-brexit-and-says-hes-not-a-stupid-colonial-english-idiot-during-concert/ar-AACbLut?ocid=spartanntp > > > > > > I have great sympathy with his view. My daughter who is non political said yesterday she was ashamed at the way we are making ourselves a laughing stock. It takes something for her to comment > > > > Brexit is definitely affecting how Swedes view England. Up until recently they thought the sun shone out of America’s and England’s arses. Trump and Brexit have given them a rude awakening. > > Whilst the many Norwegians I know are still wondering why we don't just get on with it.
Brexit is entering the Norwegian Blue phase of its existence.
> @Sunil_Prasannan said: > > @rottenborough said: > > > Every day brings new reasons to think we are all going utterly mad: > > > > > > https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1134538820781793280 > > > > > > > > I never want to hear any opinion other than that with which I already agree. > > > > > > How do you know until you have heard the speaker? > > > > > > I just know. > > > > She has the right to her opinions. And doctors have the right not to wish to listen to them. > > Um, isn't this a thread about "Compromise"????????
No need to compromise on this one, everyone can be happy.
Unless, of course, you believe that rentagob shockjocks have an inalienable right to force their dreary commonplaces into the eardrums of anyone they decide needs to hear them.
Is that the best he can do in decades of thinking about things? It boils down to 'It'd be nice to do things differently?' Or am I being harsh?
The interview is already in the online Times. Even by softball standards, Sylvester throws underarms in slow motion. I particularly enjoyed the conceit (from her) that he mixes Marxism and managerialism without considering that he has managed nothing other than his own rise, ever.
> @nichomar said: > > @jayfdee said: > > > Well, I am sure , I am not alone. I have now voted LibDems twice, a bad habit is developing, but in a GE, I would vote for them again. > > > It is worth one 5 year period to kill Brexit, and ensure no Corbyn, and then revert to whatever new sensible party emerges. > > > > If you think Brexit can be killed in 5, 10 or 20 years then you are sorely mistaken. Just because you might manage to stop it now won't make the anger go away, nor the causes of Brexit. All you will do is ensure that next time around it is far more extreme. > > Oh the obsession about what? 20 years down the road and a 65 year old faridge stands for parliament for the 24th time without being elected. The world will need new structures in 20 years that won’t involve nation states and petty minded nationalism.
> @AlastairMeeks said: > > @Sunil_Prasannan said: > > > @rottenborough said: > > > > > Every day brings new reasons to think we are all going utterly mad: > > > > > > > > > > https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1134538820781793280 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never want to hear any opinion other than that with which I already agree. > > > > > > > > > > How do you know until you have heard the speaker? > > > > > > > > > > I just know. > > > > > > > > She has the right to her opinions. And doctors have the right not to wish to listen to them. > > > > Um, isn't this a thread about "Compromise"???????? > > No need to compromise on this one, everyone can be happy. > > Unless, of course, you believe that rentagob shockjocks have an inalienable right to force their dreary commonplaces into the eardrums of anyone they decide needs to hear them.
It sounds as if she was invited. Rather than that she forced herself on them. So presumably someone thought that worthwhile. Having decided to do so why should some people now wanting to listen to her (and I can't say I'd rush to hear her speak) lead to withdrawal of the invitation? An attendee does not have to listen to all the speakers at a conference after all. And often there may be a choice of speakers during a particular slot.
No-one has a right to be a speaker anywhere. But there is a tendency to run away at the first sound of someone making a fuss, which is a bit pathetic frankly. Far better to say: here are some speakers. If you want to listen fine; if you don't also fine. We'll get feedback on our choices and next time we'll take that into account when deciding who to invite.
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No need to compromise on this one, everyone can be happy.
Unless, of course, you believe that rentagob shockjocks have an inalienable right to force their dreary commonplaces into the eardrums of anyone they decide needs to hear them.
"Alastair Meeks and the death of British compromise"
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> Whilst the many Norwegians I know are still wondering why we don't just get on with it.
Brexit is entering the Norwegian Blue phase of its existence.
You do know the Norwegians voted against EU membership not once, but twice?
> @matt said: > Rory Stewart makes adult social care a campaign issue: > > > > https://twitter.com/RoryStewartUK/status/1134526368136466440 > > > > If he can solve that issue he deserves to be PM.https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1134542859611381761 > > > > > > https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1134544472442843136 > > > > Is that the best he can do in decades of thinking about things? It boils down to 'It'd be nice to do things differently?' Or am I being harsh? > > The interview is already in the online Times. Even by softball standards, Sylvester throws underarms in slow motion. I particularly enjoyed the conceit (from her) that he mixes Marxism and managerialism without considering that he has managed nothing other than his own rise, ever.
Isn't it the case that the only time he managed anything - at the GLC - he made such a mess of it that even Livingstone was forced to sack him?
Brexit is entering the Norwegian Blue phase of its existence.
Well I wish it would get on with it, rather than drag on for another 4 months at least. Just end it already, we all know that's where it ends up.
This is exactly like the interminable Scottish independence farrago. So long as a not-quite-majority of the population continues to feel trapped within the larger Union, it will continue to vote endlessly for various politicians and mechanisms and whatever, over and over and over again, until the actual majority to get out is achieved.
For so long as there is a European Union and a contained Britain within it, Brexit is never going to end. Never never never never never never never never.
It sounds as if she was invited. Rather than that she forced herself on them. So presumably someone thought that worthwhile. Having decided to do so why should some people now wanting to listen to her (and I can't say I'd rush to hear her speak) lead to withdrawal of the invitation? An attendee does not have to listen to all the speakers at a conference after all. And often there may be a choice of speakers during a particular slot.
No-one has a right to be a speaker anywhere. But there is a tendency to run away at the first sound of someone making a fuss, which is a bit pathetic frankly. Far better to say: here are some speakers. If you want to listen fine; if you don't also fine. We'll get feedback on our choices and next time we'll take that into account when deciding who to invite.
Can't say she is my cup of tea, but that does capture my general feeling on this - some of them, or the organisers, clearly wanted to hear her for whatever reason, and then they chickened out when there was a fuss. Why not just not invite in the first place?
Yes, though I am sure he finds it very comforting to think that's as simple an issue as it is. It's much easier than thinking about things.
Is Rocketman any good? I may go see it if so.
Deny the Brexiteer, who want to get out Deny the Brexiteer, who want to get out Deny the Brexiteer, who want to get out Want to get out He want to get out Want to get out He want to get out
> @Cyclefree said: > > @AlastairMeeks said: > > > @Sunil_Prasannan said: > > > > @rottenborough said: > > > > > > > Every day brings new reasons to think we are all going utterly mad: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1134538820781793280 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never want to hear any opinion other than that with which I already agree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you know until you have heard the speaker? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just know. > > > > > > > > > > > > She has the right to her opinions. And doctors have the right not to wish to listen to them. > > > > > > Um, isn't this a thread about "Compromise"???????? > > > > No need to compromise on this one, everyone can be happy. > > > > Unless, of course, you believe that rentagob shockjocks have an inalienable right to force their dreary commonplaces into the eardrums of anyone they decide needs to hear them. > > It sounds as if she was invited. Rather than that she forced herself on them. So presumably someone thought that worthwhile. Having decided to do so why should some people now wanting to listen to her (and I can't say I'd rush to hear her speak) lead to withdrawal of the invitation? An attendee does not have to listen to all the speakers at a conference after all. And often there may be a choice of speakers during a particular slot. > > No-one has a right to be a speaker anywhere. But there is a tendency to run away at the first sound of someone making a fuss, which is a bit pathetic frankly. Far better to say: here are some speakers. If you want to listen fine; if you don't also fine. We'll get feedback on our choices and next time we'll take that into account when deciding who to invite.
It is far worse than that. The GPs are saying I don't want to hear anything that I have decided in advance I wont agree with.
How the hell do they think medicine, or indeed science, has progressed? We would still be talking about the humors and bile.
Brexit is entering the Norwegian Blue phase of its existence.
Well I wish it would get on with it, rather than drag on for another 4 months at least. Just end it already, we all know that's where it ends up.
This is exactly like the interminable Scottish independence farrago. So long as a not-quite-majority of the population continues to feel trapped within the larger Union, it will continue to vote endlessly for various politicians and mechanisms and whatever, over and over and over again, until the actual majority to get out is achieved.
For so long as there is a European Union and a contained Britain within it, Brexit is never going to end. Never never never never never never never never.
Now there's a cheery thought for you.
I've resigned myself to that remaining is our best option now, but it is not a happy remaining for us as I genuinely think whether we ultimately go crawling back or not it would be better for us and them for us to be out for awhile. If it is our 'destiny' to be part of the EU we will see that being out is no panacea for our problems and come back, and it just feels true to me that the EU would be far more happy in itself and how it is to develop in the short and medium term if they did not have us sitting inside resentfully. While they have malcontents in other places, we are the most disruptive element. It feels like they would be better able to achieve what they want without us, and we would learn quickly if we made a mistake.
> @kle4 said: > It sounds as if she was invited. Rather than that she forced herself on them. So presumably someone thought that worthwhile. Having decided to do so why should some people now wanting to listen to her (and I can't say I'd rush to hear her speak) lead to withdrawal of the invitation? An attendee does not have to listen to all the speakers at a conference after all. And often there may be a choice of speakers during a particular slot. > > > > No-one has a right to be a speaker anywhere. But there is a tendency to run away at the first sound of someone making a fuss, which is a bit pathetic frankly. Far better to say: here are some speakers. If you want to listen fine; if you don't also fine. We'll get feedback on our choices and next time we'll take that into account when deciding who to invite. > > Can't say she is my cup of tea, but that does capture my general feeling on this - some of them, or the organisers, clearly wanted to hear her for whatever reason, and then they chickened out when there was a fuss. Why not just not invite in the first place?
I’m sure that’s correct. But they’re entitled to change their minds.
My feelings are influenced by once having had to endure Ann Widdecombe as an after dinner speaker at a similar conference. I can think of much better uses of my time.
> @Sunil_Prasannan said: > > @HYUFD said: > > > Sir Elton John has said he feels “ashamed” of the UK while seemingly > > > criticising “stupid, colonial English idiots” who voted for Brexit. > > > > > > “I am sick to death of Brexit,“ he continued to cheers from the crowd. ”I am a European. I am not a stupid, colonial, imperialist English idiot.” > > > > > > He added: “I’m ashamed of my country for what it has done. It’s torn people apart.” > > > > > > https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/elton-john-attacks-brexit-and-says-hes-not-a-stupid-colonial-english-idiot-during-concert/ar-AACbLut?ocid=spartanntp > > > > Something of a lack of self-awareness there. > > Yes, though I am sure he finds it very comforting to think that's as simple an issue as it is. It's much easier than thinking about things. > > Is Rocketman any good? I may go see it if so. > > Deny the Brexiteer, who want to get out > Deny the Brexiteer, who want to get out > Deny the Brexiteer, who want to get out > Want to get out > He want to get out > Want to get out > He want to get out
> It sounds as if she was invited. Rather than that she forced herself on them. So presumably someone thought that worthwhile. Having decided to do so why should some people now wanting to listen to her (and I can't say I'd rush to hear her speak) lead to withdrawal of the invitation? An attendee does not have to listen to all the speakers at a conference after all. And often there may be a choice of speakers during a particular slot.
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I’m sure that’s correct. But they’re entitled to change their minds.
My feelings are influenced by once having had to endure Ann Widdecombe as an after dinner speaker at a similar conference. I can think of much better uses of my time.
Stewart Jackson spoke at an event I attended not that many months ago. He didn't really know what he was talking about, and then spent most of his time blaming May for costing him two jobs.
> @rottenborough said: > > @Cyclefree said: > > > @AlastairMeeks said: > > > > @Sunil_Prasannan said: > > > > > @rottenborough said: > > > > > > > > > Every day brings new reasons to think we are all going utterly mad: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1134538820781793280 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never want to hear any opinion other than that with which I already agree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you know until you have heard the speaker? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > She has the right to her opinions. And doctors have the right not to wish to listen to them. > > > > > > > > Um, isn't this a thread about "Compromise"???????? > > > > > > No need to compromise on this one, everyone can be happy. > > > > > > Unless, of course, you believe that rentagob shockjocks have an inalienable right to force their dreary commonplaces into the eardrums of anyone they decide needs to hear them. > > > > It sounds as if she was invited. Rather than that she forced herself on them. So presumably someone thought that worthwhile. Having decided to do so why should some people now wanting to listen to her (and I can't say I'd rush to hear her speak) lead to withdrawal of the invitation? An attendee does not have to listen to all the speakers at a conference after all. And often there may be a choice of speakers during a particular slot. > > > > No-one has a right to be a speaker anywhere. But there is a tendency to run away at the first sound of someone making a fuss, which is a bit pathetic frankly. Far better to say: here are some speakers. If you want to listen fine; if you don't also fine. We'll get feedback on our choices and next time we'll take that into account when deciding who to invite. > > It is far worse than that. The GPs are saying I don't want to hear anything that I have decided in advance I wont agree with. > > How the hell do they think medicine, or indeed science, has progressed? We would still be talking about the humors and bile.
I don’t think Julia Hartley-Brewer’s contribution to medicine is going to give the annalists cramp in their writing hands.
We've finally caught Trump in a lie for which he cannot wriggle out from under - there's no way he knows the different players in the Tory contest, some are barely known inside their own families!
More seriously, it's not that much of a surprise. It's an area where I have a genuine block in my thinking (at least, it is one I actually know is a block) as I just do not understand why Trump talking up Boris would be a good thing, but I know there will be people who do take it as a positive.
> @AlastairMeeks said: > > @rottenborough said: > > > @Cyclefree said: > > > > @AlastairMeeks said: > > > > > @Sunil_Prasannan said: > > > > > > @rottenborough said: > > > > > > > > > > > Every day brings new reasons to think we are all going utterly mad: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1134538820781793280 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never want to hear any opinion other than that with which I already agree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you know until you have heard the speaker? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > She has the right to her opinions. And doctors have the right not to wish to listen to them. > > > > > > > > > > Um, isn't this a thread about "Compromise"???????? > > > > > > > > No need to compromise on this one, everyone can be happy. > > > > > > > > Unless, of course, you believe that rentagob shockjocks have an inalienable right to force their dreary commonplaces into the eardrums of anyone they decide needs to hear them. > > > > > > It sounds as if she was invited. Rather than that she forced herself on them. So presumably someone thought that worthwhile. Having decided to do so why should some people now wanting to listen to her (and I can't say I'd rush to hear her speak) lead to withdrawal of the invitation? An attendee does not have to listen to all the speakers at a conference after all. And often there may be a choice of speakers during a particular slot. > > > > > > No-one has a right to be a speaker anywhere. But there is a tendency to run away at the first sound of someone making a fuss, which is a bit pathetic frankly. Far better to say: here are some speakers. If you want to listen fine; if you don't also fine. We'll get feedback on our choices and next time we'll take that into account when deciding who to invite. > > > > It is far worse than that. The GPs are saying I don't want to hear anything that I have decided in advance I wont agree with. > > > > How the hell do they think medicine, or indeed science, has progressed? We would still be talking about the humors and bile. > > I don’t think Julia Hartley-Brewer’s contribution to medicine is going to give the annalists cramp in their writing hands.
I am genuinly confused here. Why would JHB be invited to talk in the first place. Whst foes she know about medicine?
No, to make anything a Tory leadership campaign issue, you first have to be a candidate whose prospects of winning can be taken seriously. 10 other candidates have more declared backers than the two (!) Remainers he has secured.
> @Richard_Tyndall said: > > @AlastairMeeks said: > > > @rottenborough said: > > > > @Cyclefree said: > > > > > @AlastairMeeks said: > > > > > > @Sunil_Prasannan said: > > > > > > > @rottenborough said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Every day brings new reasons to think we are all going utterly mad: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1134538820781793280 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never want to hear any opinion other than that with which I already agree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you know until you have heard the speaker? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > She has the right to her opinions. And doctors have the right not to wish to listen to them. > > > > > > > > > > > > Um, isn't this a thread about "Compromise"???????? > > > > > > > > > > No need to compromise on this one, everyone can be happy. > > > > > > > > > > Unless, of course, you believe that rentagob shockjocks have an inalienable right to force their dreary commonplaces into the eardrums of anyone they decide needs to hear them. > > > > > > > > It sounds as if she was invited. Rather than that she forced herself on them. So presumably someone thought that worthwhile. Having decided to do so why should some people now wanting to listen to her (and I can't say I'd rush to hear her speak) lead to withdrawal of the invitation? An attendee does not have to listen to all the speakers at a conference after all. And often there may be a choice of speakers during a particular slot. > > > > > > > > No-one has a right to be a speaker anywhere. But there is a tendency to run away at the first sound of someone making a fuss, which is a bit pathetic frankly. Far better to say: here are some speakers. If you want to listen fine; if you don't also fine. We'll get feedback on our choices and next time we'll take that into account when deciding who to invite. > > > > > > It is far worse than that. The GPs are saying I don't want to hear anything that I have decided in advance I wont agree with. > > > > > > How the hell do they think medicine, or indeed science, has progressed? We would still be talking about the humors and bile. > > > > I don’t think Julia Hartley-Brewer’s contribution to medicine is going to give the annalists cramp in their writing hands. > > I am genuinly confused here. Why would JHB be invited to talk in the first place. Whst foes she know about medicine?
It seems her mother was a GP.
Still, I love this from her:
"In a statement, Hartley-Brewer said: “The Twitter offence archaeologists who have decided it’s my turn for the Two Minutes of Hate"
Not once in that Rory video did he mention that there are four adult social care systems in the UK. Despite being in Edinburgh he kept banging on about “our” social care system. Just bizarre.
Technically we have 152 social care systems in England as we have 152 local authorities responsible for it all with different eligibility criteria, service provision levels, charging levels for home care and more. Its a shameful postcode lottery - and a shocking way to treat our elderly!
My mother’s local council for example charges 60 per cent more per week than the borough next door for their lifeline emergency alarm system for vulnerable elderly people living at home. No idea why?
Time for a national care system where all our elderly are assessed charged and supported on a consistent basis.
> Given his use of 'world exclusive' I am going to assume any other exclusives he has in future have been reported in other countries first.
Trump should mind his own sodding business.
The man is fascinating and horrible. I try to accept there are people who think he can give them what they want, and for all I know he might be able to in the USA in some ways. But as fascinating as his ego is, does anyone actually like that this man thinks everyone is begging him for his favour, that whatever he says is right and that his praise would swing any issue, anywhere?" I find his personality so odious I struggle to know how to judge his actual actions objectively.
> @kle4 said: > It is GE 2026. > > > > Rory and Ruth are the double act that will rescue UK from Jezza. > > Corbyn is going to be PM longer than Cameron then?
> @kle4 said: > > @kle4 said: > > > https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1134573353820459011 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Given his use of 'world exclusive' I am going to assume any other exclusives he has in future have been reported in other countries first. > > > > Trump should mind his own sodding business. > > The man is fascinating and horrible. I try to accept there are people who think he can give them what they want, and for all I know he might be able to in the USA in some ways. But as fascinating as his ego is, does anyone actually like that this man thinks everyone is begging him for his favour, that whatever he says is right and that his praise would swing any issue, anywhere?" I find his personality so odious I struggle to know how to judge his actual actions objectively.
Not sure being endorsed by Trump is a good thing !
That depends on the audience. I wouldn't think Trump personally is hugely popular even among the Tory membership who will decide if Boris becomes PM, but the thing is Boris is already popular with that group and when considering 'Who would be able to do a good deal with the USA?' the praise of Trump might seem good, regardless of it not being as simple as Trump being amendable, particularly around the issue of the backstop and Irish americans.
This is appalling! Every conference should have a speech by JHB. She may have absolutely no medical qualifications whatsoever, but goddamit she's a member of the commentariat! How dare these so-called medics overthrow her god-given right to lecture people who are far more qualified than her on any subject she goddamn pleases, regardless of relevance or even sanity.
Retweet this: I SUPPORT THE RIGHT OF JHB TO DEMAND PAYMENT TO LECTURE PEOPLE WITHOUT THEIR CONSENT AT ANY TIME SHE PLEASES, THE LIBTARD SNOWFLAKES!
The quick fire answer is yet again he is appealing to people who don't have a leadership vote.
But sometimes those who rise above that kind of stuff make a difference. Maybe not this election, but when we have all become sick to death of tearing chunks our of each other over Brexit. Who knows.
> @kle4 said: > > @Scott_P said: > > > https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1134573353820459011 > > > > > > Not sure being endorsed by Trump is a good thing ! > > That depends on the audience. I wouldn't think Trump personally is hugely popular even among the Tory membership who will decide if Boris becomes PM, but the thing is Boris is already popular with that group and when considering 'Who would be able to do a good deal with the USA?' the praise of Trump might seem good, regardless of it not being as simple as Trump being amendable, particularly around the issue of the backstop and Irish americans.
You'd have to be unbelievably naive to think that any deal the US would do with Britain would be anything other than wholly in the US's favour, no matter how far up Trump's arse Boris's tongue reaches.......
This is appalling! Every conference should have a speech by JHB. She may have absolutely no medical qualifications whatsoever, but goddamit she's a member of the commentariat! How dare these so-called medics overthrow her god-given right to lecture people who are far more qualified than her on any subject she goddamn pleases, regardless of relevance or even sanity.
Retweet this: I SUPPORT THE RIGHT OF JHB TO DEMAND PAYMENT TO LECTURE PEOPLE WITHOUT THEIR CONSENT AT ANY TIME SHE PLEASES, THE LIBTARD SNOWFLAKES!
JHB replies: "Look, man! I only need to know one thing: where they are!"
MPs are not, by and large, naiive folk, and a deep vein of cynicysm runs through them, which is not all that unreasonable, so I doubt all that many are being converted to the Stewart cause through this little social media jaunt that he has been on. But while it is easy to scoff at it for being a bit cheesy, it is at least providing some lightness in, politically, a bitter, bitter time. Usually people say 'I believe in bringing peopel together' and then spout bitterness and hatred in the next breath. So at least he's saying those off camera I guess!
On the other hand, isn't this guy in the Cabinet now? I know there is very little for them to do right now, but doesn't he have a department to run?
> @Richard_Tyndall said: > > @AlastairMeeks said: > > I don’t think Julia Hartley-Brewer’s contribution to medicine is going to give the annalists cramp in their writing hands. > > I am genuinly confused here. Why would JHB be invited to talk in the first place. Whst foes she know about medicine?
As one example we have a developing health emergency due to the drop in use of vaccines which has been caused by a failure of the relationship between medicine and journalism. So it makes sense in general for journalists and doctors to talk to each other.
Presumably JHB knows something about journalism, even if she were ignorant of medicine, though I know nothing about her.
> @Sunil_Prasannan said: > > @Scott_P said: > > > Brexiteers hate US Presidents getting involved in UK politics, right???? > > > > It’s vomit inducing the hypocrisy of the right wing press in the UK. > > Remainers love US Presidents getting involved in UK politics, right????
No Obama shouldn’t have got involved and neither should Trump .
> @Benpointer said: > > @williamglenn said: > > > @Benpointer said: > > > > > > So start an English Independence form the UK party. > > > > You couldn't get them to vote for it, so you have to do it by stealth. You start a UK Independence Party, and then as the UK leaves the EU, bits of it get torn off, leaving an independent England. > > The hard-line Brexiteers are just a bunch of anarchist wreckers really. > > A couple of questions for those prepared to accept the break-up of the Union as the price of Brexit: > > - What do they think should happen to the UK's permanent seat on the UN security council after the UK is no more? > > - What will the post-break-up UK be called? (Presumably just England, or England-and-Wales until Wales goes. Little Britain would of course be more appropriate.)
> Brexiteers hate US Presidents getting involved in UK politics, right????
It’s vomit inducing the hypocrisy of the right wing press in the UK.
Remainers love US Presidents getting involved in UK politics, right????
Depends if it's in a direction I like and if it's not counter-productive. But I don't have this tribal thing where lefties think the Dems are their tribe and righties think GOP are their tribe. He's the American President: the head of a very important ally and trade partner and should be listened to for courtesy's sake if nothing else. But he's not your Dad.
On topic, the problem with the soft brexit options, especially Corbyn's, is that from the Leave PoV they're basically entirely pointless. They go part of the way to what they want, but don't give them any of the outcomes that they want. You're supposed to take back control, but you end up losing control. It's like if one person wants to go to the beach and the other person wants to stay at home so you compromise by going as far as South Mimms Services and spending the day there.
I don't think it's brave to continue pushing these ideas that clearly don't solve the problem. It's a way of avoiding facing up to the actual problem.
> @edmundintokyo said: > On topic, the problem with the soft brexit options, especially Corbyn's, is that from the Leave PoV they're basically entirely pointless. They go part of the way to what they want, but don't give them any of the outcomes that they want. You're supposed to take back control, but you end up losing control. It's like if one person wants to go to the beach and the other person wants to stay at home so you compromise by going as far as South Mimms Services and spending the day there. > > I don't think it's brave to continue pushing these ideas that clearly don't solve the problem. It's a way of avoiding facing up to the actual problem.
Great analogy! I've never knowingly been to South Mimms Services but I bet it's not as good as being at home. I'm also not keen on going to the beach much, at least not for sun bathing, and would mostly prefer home. So as a Remainer, it works well for me.
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> @Sean_F said:
> Wellbeing meaning whatever the government tells you is wellbeing.
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> Gross National Happiness has not been an obvious success in Bhutan.
First in ease of doing business, economic freedom and peace. Least corrupt country in South Asia.
Admittedly the competition ain't great.
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1134538820781793280
I never want to hear any opinion other than that with which I already agree.
How do you know until you have heard the speaker?
I just know.
> > @HYUFD said:
> > Sir Elton John has said he feels “ashamed” of the UK while seemingly
> > criticising “stupid, colonial English idiots” who voted for Brexit.
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> > “I am sick to death of Brexit,“ he continued to cheers from the crowd. ”I am a European. I am not a stupid, colonial, imperialist English idiot.”
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> > He added: “I’m ashamed of my country for what it has done. It’s torn people apart.”
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> > https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/elton-john-attacks-brexit-and-says-hes-not-a-stupid-colonial-english-idiot-during-concert/ar-AACbLut?ocid=spartanntp
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> I have great sympathy with his view. My daughter who is non political said yesterday she was ashamed at the way we are making ourselves a laughing stock. It takes something for her to comment
Brexit is definitely affecting how Swedes view England. Up until recently they thought the sun shone out of America’s and England’s arses. Trump and Brexit have given them a rude awakening.
How sad that that UK will now have to go with it’s begging bowl to the lunatic in the WH . Was this what taking back control means !
> > @Big_G_NorthWales said:
> > > @HYUFD said:
> > > Sir Elton John has said he feels “ashamed” of the UK while seemingly
> > > criticising “stupid, colonial English idiots” who voted for Brexit.
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> > > “I am sick to death of Brexit,“ he continued to cheers from the crowd. ”I am a European. I am not a stupid, colonial, imperialist English idiot.”
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> > > He added: “I’m ashamed of my country for what it has done. It’s torn people apart.”
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> > > https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/elton-john-attacks-brexit-and-says-hes-not-a-stupid-colonial-english-idiot-during-concert/ar-AACbLut?ocid=spartanntp
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> > I have great sympathy with his view. My daughter who is non political said yesterday she was ashamed at the way we are making ourselves a laughing stock. It takes something for her to comment
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> Brexit is definitely affecting how Swedes view England. Up until recently they thought the sun shone out of America’s and England’s arses. Trump and Brexit have given them a rude awakening.
That will be why Sweden is in NATO.
Oh wait ...
> > @rottenborough said:
> > > @williamglenn said:
> > > Rory Stewart makes adult social care a campaign issue:
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> > > https://twitter.com/RoryStewartUK/status/1134526368136466440
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> > At last an adult in the running.
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> It is refreshing to see a politician actually thinking
Never catch on.
> Every day brings new reasons to think we are all going utterly mad:
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> https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1134538820781793280
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> I never want to hear any opinion other than that with which I already agree.
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> How do you know until you have heard the speaker?
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> I just know.
She has the right to her opinions. And doctors have the right not to wish to listen to them.
> https://twitter.com/SteveBakerHW/status/1134537560691290112
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> Nurse!!
Oh, for the love of God!
Can't the Tories just crawl off somewhere and do their therapy in private without involving us, please.
https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/1134565903885045760
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Lisa Nandy is turning into a martyr . She’s seriously getting on my nerves now . All we hear is the same whining from her.
> > @rottenborough said:
> > https://twitter.com/SteveBakerHW/status/1134537560691290112
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> Oh, for the love of God!
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> Can't the Tories just crawl off somewhere and do their therapy in private without involving us, please.
I blame Jezza and Trump. Those two have shown the political class that you can decide to run, be told you are a joke and have no chance etc etc
And yet, end up the winner.
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> > @Big_G_NorthWales said:
> > > @HYUFD said:
> > > Sir Elton John has said he feels “ashamed” of the UK while seemingly
> > > criticising “stupid, colonial English idiots” who voted for Brexit.
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> > > “I am sick to death of Brexit,“ he continued to cheers from the crowd. ”I am a European. I am not a stupid, colonial, imperialist English idiot.”
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> > > He added: “I’m ashamed of my country for what it has done. It’s torn people apart.”
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> > > https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/elton-john-attacks-brexit-and-says-hes-not-a-stupid-colonial-english-idiot-during-concert/ar-AACbLut?ocid=spartanntp
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> > I have great sympathy with his view. My daughter who is non political said yesterday she was ashamed at the way we are making ourselves a laughing stock. It takes something for her to comment
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> Brexit is definitely affecting how Swedes view England. Up until recently they thought the sun shone out of America’s and England’s arses. Trump and Brexit have given them a rude awakening.
Whilst the many Norwegians I know are still wondering why we don't just get on with it.
> Sir Elton John has said he feels “ashamed” of the UK while seemingly
> criticising “stupid, colonial English idiots” who voted for Brexit.
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> “I am sick to death of Brexit,“ he continued to cheers from the crowd. ”I am a European. I am not a stupid, colonial, imperialist English idiot.”
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> He added: “I’m ashamed of my country for what it has done. It’s torn people apart.”
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> https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/elton-john-attacks-brexit-and-says-hes-not-a-stupid-colonial-english-idiot-during-concert/ar-AACbLut?ocid=spartanntp
Something of a lack of self-awareness there.
> > @StuartDickson said:
> > > @Big_G_NorthWales said:
> > > > @HYUFD said:
> > > > Sir Elton John has said he feels “ashamed” of the UK while seemingly
> > > > criticising “stupid, colonial English idiots” who voted for Brexit.
> > > >
> > > > “I am sick to death of Brexit,“ he continued to cheers from the crowd. ”I am a European. I am not a stupid, colonial, imperialist English idiot.”
> > > >
> > > > He added: “I’m ashamed of my country for what it has done. It’s torn people apart.”
> > > >
> > > > https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/elton-john-attacks-brexit-and-says-hes-not-a-stupid-colonial-english-idiot-during-concert/ar-AACbLut?ocid=spartanntp
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> > > I have great sympathy with his view. My daughter who is non political said yesterday she was ashamed at the way we are making ourselves a laughing stock. It takes something for her to comment
> >
> > Brexit is definitely affecting how Swedes view England. Up until recently they thought the sun shone out of America’s and England’s arses. Trump and Brexit have given them a rude awakening.
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> Whilst the many Norwegians I know are still wondering why we don't just get on with it.
Brexit is entering the Norwegian Blue phase of its existence.
> > @HYUFD said:
> > Sir Elton John has said he feels “ashamed” of the UK while seemingly
> > criticising “stupid, colonial English idiots” who voted for Brexit.
> >
> > “I am sick to death of Brexit,“ he continued to cheers from the crowd. ”I am a European. I am not a stupid, colonial, imperialist English idiot.”
> >
> > He added: “I’m ashamed of my country for what it has done. It’s torn people apart.”
> >
> > https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/elton-john-attacks-brexit-and-says-hes-not-a-stupid-colonial-english-idiot-during-concert/ar-AACbLut?ocid=spartanntp
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> Sounds like a boost for Brexit support.
Je Suis Elton #
What a hero for just telling it like it is .
Is Rocketman any good? I may go see it if so.
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What does "goods held in common" mean? That sounds awfully like state ownership to me and the abolition of private property.
> > @rottenborough said:
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> She has the right to her opinions. And doctors have the right not to wish to listen to them.
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> Um, isn't this a thread about "Compromise"????????
No need to compromise on this one, everyone can be happy.
Unless, of course, you believe that rentagob shockjocks have an inalienable right to force their dreary commonplaces into the eardrums of anyone they decide needs to hear them.
> > @jayfdee said:
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> > Well, I am sure , I am not alone. I have now voted LibDems twice, a bad habit is developing, but in a GE, I would vote for them again.
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> If you think Brexit can be killed in 5, 10 or 20 years then you are sorely mistaken. Just because you might manage to stop it now won't make the anger go away, nor the causes of Brexit. All you will do is ensure that next time around it is far more extreme.
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> Oh the obsession about what? 20 years down the road and a 65 year old faridge stands for parliament for the 24th time without being elected. The world will need new structures in 20 years that won’t involve nation states and petty minded nationalism.
Wrong in every possible way - thankfully.
> > @kle4 said:
> > Rory Stewart makes adult social care a campaign issue:
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> What does "goods held in common" mean? That sounds awfully like state ownership to me and the abolition of private property.
I can feel the 'tragedy of the commons' coming our way...
> > @Sunil_Prasannan said:
> > > @rottenborough said:
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> No need to compromise on this one, everyone can be happy.
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> Unless, of course, you believe that rentagob shockjocks have an inalienable right to force their dreary commonplaces into the eardrums of anyone they decide needs to hear them.
It sounds as if she was invited. Rather than that she forced herself on them. So presumably someone thought that worthwhile. Having decided to do so why should some people now wanting to listen to her (and I can't say I'd rush to hear her speak) lead to withdrawal of the invitation? An attendee does not have to listen to all the speakers at a conference after all. And often there may be a choice of speakers during a particular slot.
No-one has a right to be a speaker anywhere. But there is a tendency to run away at the first sound of someone making a fuss, which is a bit pathetic frankly. Far better to say: here are some speakers. If you want to listen fine; if you don't also fine. We'll get feedback on our choices and next time we'll take that into account when deciding who to invite.
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> The interview is already in the online Times. Even by softball standards, Sylvester throws underarms in slow motion. I particularly enjoyed the conceit (from her) that he mixes Marxism and managerialism without considering that he has managed nothing other than his own rise, ever.
Isn't it the case that the only time he managed anything - at the GLC - he made such a mess of it that even Livingstone was forced to sack him?
For so long as there is a European Union and a contained Britain within it, Brexit is never going to end. Never never never never never never never never.
Now there's a cheery thought for you.
Deny the Brexiteer, who want to get out
Deny the Brexiteer, who want to get out
Want to get out
He want to get out
Want to get out
He want to get out
> > @AlastairMeeks said:
> > > @Sunil_Prasannan said:
> > > > @rottenborough said:
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> > > > Every day brings new reasons to think we are all going utterly mad:
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> > > > I just know.
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> > > She has the right to her opinions. And doctors have the right not to wish to listen to them.
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> > > Um, isn't this a thread about "Compromise"????????
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> > No need to compromise on this one, everyone can be happy.
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> > Unless, of course, you believe that rentagob shockjocks have an inalienable right to force their dreary commonplaces into the eardrums of anyone they decide needs to hear them.
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> It sounds as if she was invited. Rather than that she forced herself on them. So presumably someone thought that worthwhile. Having decided to do so why should some people now wanting to listen to her (and I can't say I'd rush to hear her speak) lead to withdrawal of the invitation? An attendee does not have to listen to all the speakers at a conference after all. And often there may be a choice of speakers during a particular slot.
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> No-one has a right to be a speaker anywhere. But there is a tendency to run away at the first sound of someone making a fuss, which is a bit pathetic frankly. Far better to say: here are some speakers. If you want to listen fine; if you don't also fine. We'll get feedback on our choices and next time we'll take that into account when deciding who to invite.
It is far worse than that. The GPs are saying I don't want to hear anything that I have decided in advance I wont agree with.
How the hell do they think medicine, or indeed science, has progressed? We would still be talking about the humors and bile.
> It sounds as if she was invited. Rather than that she forced herself on them. So presumably someone thought that worthwhile. Having decided to do so why should some people now wanting to listen to her (and I can't say I'd rush to hear her speak) lead to withdrawal of the invitation? An attendee does not have to listen to all the speakers at a conference after all. And often there may be a choice of speakers during a particular slot.
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> No-one has a right to be a speaker anywhere. But there is a tendency to run away at the first sound of someone making a fuss, which is a bit pathetic frankly. Far better to say: here are some speakers. If you want to listen fine; if you don't also fine. We'll get feedback on our choices and next time we'll take that into account when deciding who to invite.
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> Can't say she is my cup of tea, but that does capture my general feeling on this - some of them, or the organisers, clearly wanted to hear her for whatever reason, and then they chickened out when there was a fuss. Why not just not invite in the first place?
I’m sure that’s correct. But they’re entitled to change their minds.
My feelings are influenced by once having had to endure Ann Widdecombe as an after dinner speaker at a similar conference. I can think of much better uses of my time.
> > @HYUFD said:
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> > criticising “stupid, colonial English idiots” who voted for Brexit.
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> Yes, though I am sure he finds it very comforting to think that's as simple an issue as it is. It's much easier than thinking about things.
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> Deny the Brexiteer, who want to get out
> Deny the Brexiteer, who want to get out
> Deny the Brexiteer, who want to get out
> Want to get out
> He want to get out
> Want to get out
> He want to get out
from earlier Sunil, in case you missed:
https://twitter.com/patrickkmaguire/status/1134090534576898048
> > @Cyclefree said:
> > > @AlastairMeeks said:
> > > > @Sunil_Prasannan said:
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> > > > > How do you know until you have heard the speaker?
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> > > > > I just know.
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> > > > She has the right to her opinions. And doctors have the right not to wish to listen to them.
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> > > > Um, isn't this a thread about "Compromise"????????
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> > > No need to compromise on this one, everyone can be happy.
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> > > Unless, of course, you believe that rentagob shockjocks have an inalienable right to force their dreary commonplaces into the eardrums of anyone they decide needs to hear them.
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> > It sounds as if she was invited. Rather than that she forced herself on them. So presumably someone thought that worthwhile. Having decided to do so why should some people now wanting to listen to her (and I can't say I'd rush to hear her speak) lead to withdrawal of the invitation? An attendee does not have to listen to all the speakers at a conference after all. And often there may be a choice of speakers during a particular slot.
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> > No-one has a right to be a speaker anywhere. But there is a tendency to run away at the first sound of someone making a fuss, which is a bit pathetic frankly. Far better to say: here are some speakers. If you want to listen fine; if you don't also fine. We'll get feedback on our choices and next time we'll take that into account when deciding who to invite.
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> It is far worse than that. The GPs are saying I don't want to hear anything that I have decided in advance I wont agree with.
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> How the hell do they think medicine, or indeed science, has progressed? We would still be talking about the humors and bile.
I don’t think Julia Hartley-Brewer’s contribution to medicine is going to give the annalists cramp in their writing hands.
> https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1134573353820459011
Can't for the life of me think why...
It's the hair...
More seriously, it's not that much of a surprise. It's an area where I have a genuine block in my thinking (at least, it is one I actually know is a block) as I just do not understand why Trump talking up Boris would be a good thing, but I know there will be people who do take it as a positive.
POLLINGNEWS!Oh Rory, you have really let me down.
> > @rottenborough said:
> > > @Cyclefree said:
> > > > @AlastairMeeks said:
> > > > > @Sunil_Prasannan said:
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> > > > > > Every day brings new reasons to think we are all going utterly mad:
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> > > > > > I never want to hear any opinion other than that with which I already agree.
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> > > > > > I just know.
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> > > > > She has the right to her opinions. And doctors have the right not to wish to listen to them.
> > > > >
> > > > > Um, isn't this a thread about "Compromise"????????
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> > > > No need to compromise on this one, everyone can be happy.
> > > >
> > > > Unless, of course, you believe that rentagob shockjocks have an inalienable right to force their dreary commonplaces into the eardrums of anyone they decide needs to hear them.
> > >
> > > It sounds as if she was invited. Rather than that she forced herself on them. So presumably someone thought that worthwhile. Having decided to do so why should some people now wanting to listen to her (and I can't say I'd rush to hear her speak) lead to withdrawal of the invitation? An attendee does not have to listen to all the speakers at a conference after all. And often there may be a choice of speakers during a particular slot.
> > >
> > > No-one has a right to be a speaker anywhere. But there is a tendency to run away at the first sound of someone making a fuss, which is a bit pathetic frankly. Far better to say: here are some speakers. If you want to listen fine; if you don't also fine. We'll get feedback on our choices and next time we'll take that into account when deciding who to invite.
> >
> > It is far worse than that. The GPs are saying I don't want to hear anything that I have decided in advance I wont agree with.
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> > How the hell do they think medicine, or indeed science, has progressed? We would still be talking about the humors and bile.
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> I don’t think Julia Hartley-Brewer’s contribution to medicine is going to give the annalists cramp in their writing hands.
I am genuinly confused here. Why would JHB be invited to talk in the first place. Whst foes she know about medicine?
> Rory Stewart makes adult social care a campaign issue:
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> https://twitter.com/RoryStewartUK/status/1134526368136466440
No, to make anything a Tory leadership campaign issue, you first have to be a candidate whose prospects of winning can be taken seriously. 10 other candidates have more declared backers than the two (!) Remainers he has secured.
"Mr Trump.....(static)...for the love of god...(static)...whatever you do please do (static) endorse me! I beg of you do (static) endorse me!"
> https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1134573353820459011
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> Given his use of 'world exclusive' I am going to assume any other exclusives he has in future have been reported in other countries first.
Trump should mind his own sodding business.
> > @AlastairMeeks said:
> > > @rottenborough said:
> > > > @Cyclefree said:
> > > > > @AlastairMeeks said:
> > > > > > @Sunil_Prasannan said:
> > > > > > > @rottenborough said:
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> > > > > > > Every day brings new reasons to think we are all going utterly mad:
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> > > > > > > I never want to hear any opinion other than that with which I already agree.
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> > > > > > > How do you know until you have heard the speaker?
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> > > > > > > I just know.
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> > > > > > She has the right to her opinions. And doctors have the right not to wish to listen to them.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Um, isn't this a thread about "Compromise"????????
> > > > >
> > > > > No need to compromise on this one, everyone can be happy.
> > > > >
> > > > > Unless, of course, you believe that rentagob shockjocks have an inalienable right to force their dreary commonplaces into the eardrums of anyone they decide needs to hear them.
> > > >
> > > > It sounds as if she was invited. Rather than that she forced herself on them. So presumably someone thought that worthwhile. Having decided to do so why should some people now wanting to listen to her (and I can't say I'd rush to hear her speak) lead to withdrawal of the invitation? An attendee does not have to listen to all the speakers at a conference after all. And often there may be a choice of speakers during a particular slot.
> > > >
> > > > No-one has a right to be a speaker anywhere. But there is a tendency to run away at the first sound of someone making a fuss, which is a bit pathetic frankly. Far better to say: here are some speakers. If you want to listen fine; if you don't also fine. We'll get feedback on our choices and next time we'll take that into account when deciding who to invite.
> > >
> > > It is far worse than that. The GPs are saying I don't want to hear anything that I have decided in advance I wont agree with.
> > >
> > > How the hell do they think medicine, or indeed science, has progressed? We would still be talking about the humors and bile.
> >
> > I don’t think Julia Hartley-Brewer’s contribution to medicine is going to give the annalists cramp in their writing hands.
>
> I am genuinly confused here. Why would JHB be invited to talk in the first place. Whst foes she know about medicine?
It seems her mother was a GP.
Still, I love this from her:
"In a statement, Hartley-Brewer said: “The Twitter offence archaeologists who have decided it’s my turn for the Two Minutes of Hate"
My mother’s local council for example charges 60 per cent more per week than the borough next door for their lifeline emergency alarm system for vulnerable elderly people living at home. No idea why?
Time for a national care system where all our elderly are assessed charged and supported on a consistent basis.
> https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1134573353820459011
Not sure being endorsed by Trump is a good thing !
Rory and Ruth are the double act that will rescue UK from Jezza.
> It is GE 2026.
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> Rory and Ruth are the double act that will rescue UK from Jezza.
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> Corbyn is going to be PM longer than Cameron then?
Who?
> > @kle4 said:
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> > Given his use of 'world exclusive' I am going to assume any other exclusives he has in future have been reported in other countries first.
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> Trump should mind his own sodding business.
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> The man is fascinating and horrible. I try to accept there are people who think he can give them what they want, and for all I know he might be able to in the USA in some ways. But as fascinating as his ego is, does anyone actually like that this man thinks everyone is begging him for his favour, that whatever he says is right and that his praise would swing any issue, anywhere?" I find his personality so odious I struggle to know how to judge his actual actions objectively.
You are talking about Boris, right?
Retweet this: I SUPPORT THE RIGHT OF JHB TO DEMAND PAYMENT TO LECTURE PEOPLE WITHOUT THEIR CONSENT AT ANY TIME SHE PLEASES, THE LIBTARD SNOWFLAKES!
> https://twitter.com/jasoncowleyns/status/1134440737586798597?s=21
The quick fire answer is yet again he is appealing to people who don't have a leadership vote.
But sometimes those who rise above that kind of stuff make a difference. Maybe not this election, but when we have all become sick to death of tearing chunks our of each other over Brexit. Who knows.
> > @Scott_P said:
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> Not sure being endorsed by Trump is a good thing !
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> That depends on the audience. I wouldn't think Trump personally is hugely popular even among the Tory membership who will decide if Boris becomes PM, but the thing is Boris is already popular with that group and when considering 'Who would be able to do a good deal with the USA?' the praise of Trump might seem good, regardless of it not being as simple as Trump being amendable, particularly around the issue of the backstop and Irish americans.
You'd have to be unbelievably naive to think that any deal the US would do with Britain would be anything other than wholly in the US's favour, no matter how far up Trump's arse Boris's tongue reaches.......
The people he doesn't appeal to are those Tory members who didn't vote Tory last week...
> > @kle4 said:
> > Exhibit A: Lisa Nandy
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> > Pardon me if we can ignore her posturing bullcrap. She cares so much, up to the point of actually doing something.
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> Lisa Nandy is turning into a martyr . She’s seriously getting on my nerves now . All we hear is the same whining from her.
Quite. She just witters on about how Labour needs to keep leavers on board without making a single positive suggestion about how it might do so.
On the other hand, isn't this guy in the Cabinet now? I know there is very little for them to do right now, but doesn't he have a department to run?
> > @AlastairMeeks said:
> > I don’t think Julia Hartley-Brewer’s contribution to medicine is going to give the annalists cramp in their writing hands.
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> I am genuinly confused here. Why would JHB be invited to talk in the first place. Whst foes she know about medicine?
As one example we have a developing health emergency due to the drop in use of vaccines which has been caused by a failure of the relationship between medicine and journalism. So it makes sense in general for journalists and doctors to talk to each other.
Presumably JHB knows something about journalism, even if she were ignorant of medicine, though I know nothing about her.
https://twitter.com/iainmartin1/status/723560741194862592
I wonder why Martin would be so anti-Obama but so pro-Trump
Sir Elton announces that his new album is to be called "Brexit Hearts".
> Brexiteers hate US Presidents getting involved in UK politics, right????
It’s vomit inducing the hypocrisy of the right wing press in the UK.
> > @Scott_P said:
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> > Brexiteers hate US Presidents getting involved in UK politics, right????
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> It’s vomit inducing the hypocrisy of the right wing press in the UK.
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> Remainers love US Presidents getting involved in UK politics, right????
No Obama shouldn’t have got involved and neither should Trump .
> > @williamglenn said:
> > > @Benpointer said:
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> > > So start an English Independence form the UK party.
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> > You couldn't get them to vote for it, so you have to do it by stealth. You start a UK Independence Party, and then as the UK leaves the EU, bits of it get torn off, leaving an independent England.
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> The hard-line Brexiteers are just a bunch of anarchist wreckers really.
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> A couple of questions for those prepared to accept the break-up of the Union as the price of Brexit:
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> - What do they think should happen to the UK's permanent seat on the UN security council after the UK is no more?
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> - What will the post-break-up UK be called? (Presumably just England, or England-and-Wales until Wales goes. Little Britain would of course be more appropriate.)
Wangland is my personal favourite.
I don't think it's brave to continue pushing these ideas that clearly don't solve the problem. It's a way of avoiding facing up to the actual problem.
> On topic, the problem with the soft brexit options, especially Corbyn's, is that from the Leave PoV they're basically entirely pointless. They go part of the way to what they want, but don't give them any of the outcomes that they want. You're supposed to take back control, but you end up losing control. It's like if one person wants to go to the beach and the other person wants to stay at home so you compromise by going as far as South Mimms Services and spending the day there.
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> I don't think it's brave to continue pushing these ideas that clearly don't solve the problem. It's a way of avoiding facing up to the actual problem.
Great analogy! I've never knowingly been to South Mimms Services but I bet it's not as good as being at home. I'm also not keen on going to the beach much, at least not for sun bathing, and would mostly prefer home. So as a Remainer, it works well for me.