> @JosiasJessop said: > Off-topic: > > In other news, Tesla's share price is currently trading at 186 dollars, about half its peak from last year, about the time he (ahem) wanted to buy back the shares at $420 a share ...
I think it will succeed long term, but is also overvalued now.
> @El_Capitano said: > Just popped round to the polling station for a chat with one of the tellers, and it's looking like a very good turnout in our (strongly Remain-inclined) town.
Should the additional question be asked as well "Is it old or young people turning out?"
> @DoubleD said: > > @Richard_Tyndall said: > > > @RobD said: > > > > @Nigel_Foremain said: > > > > > @HYUFD said: > > > > > https://twitter.com/KTHopkins/status/1131415869605777409?s=20 > > > > > > > > Hilarious how some idiots think voting for a party that is fascist in all but name is a vote for democracy. > > > > > > Brexit party is a fascist party? > > > > Nigel gives the impression he thinks any party which isn't fanatically Europhile is by definition fascist. > > fascists were socailists/ German Socilaists. Mussolini, a Socialist.
Why is she standing in front of the Norwegian Storting?
Anything that is done well enough to take in both the left wing snowflakes it is satirising and their idiotic right wing targets deserves some congratulations.
> Just popped round to the polling station for a chat with one of the tellers, and it's looking like a very good turnout in our (strongly Remain-inclined) town.
Should the additional question be asked as well "Is it old or young people turning out?"
About what I'd expect for early afternoon - mostly older people but a fair smattering of work-at-home 30/40-somethings. But the older people here tend to be pretty progressive too.
Just heard that the election officers have actually phoned the District Council to ask for more ballot boxes! (Who've said no, you don't need any more, just stuff the papers in a bit harder...)
> Just popped round to the polling station for a chat with one of the tellers, and it's looking like a very good turnout in our (strongly Remain-inclined) town.
Should the additional question be asked as well "Is it old or young people turning out?"
About what I'd expect for early afternoon - mostly older people but a fair smattering of work-at-home 30/40-somethings. But the older people here tend to be pretty progressive too.
Just heard that the election officers have actually phoned the District Council to ask for more ballot boxes! (Who've said no, you don't need any more, just stuff the papers in a bit harder...)
They must be using tiny ballot boxes? Or too few polling places...
> @Recidivist said: > > @Pulpstar said: > > > Electoral calculus @ 24% each > > > Lab 237, Con 195, Brexit 80, Lib Dem 62 > > Crumbs. That's even more deadlocked than right now. > > Hyfud had it right. The voters are trolling the politicians. ___________________
A.k.a. a parliament that's been hung by the neck until it's nearly dead. However, it seems that Lab-LD-SNP would have 350 seats. (The SNP also does well on seats if larger parties fall back to <30%.)
Hint to small parties, take negotiating lessons from Arlene Foster.
If LDs and SNP are able to force the introduction of PR, it would put the two main parties out of their misery and they could split into smaller, more logical units.
P.S. I've tried to edit this to remove the blank lines.
> @Morris_Dancer said: > Good afternoon, everyone. > > If that's the case, Lib Dems 5pts ahead of Lab, does that suggest a yellow London?
It could actually be close between the Lib Dems and the Brexit Party .
I shudder at the thought of the BP topping London but the split Remain vote could cause that . It might be very close between Lab , Lib Dems and the BP .
Although some cross breaks show the Lib Dems well ahead of Labour I’m a bit dubious .
However if Labour can’t win London they’re likely going to have a horror show UK wide .
I can't take anybody seriously after they've said that. And no, I'm neither a fascist or a socialist. I don't mind either being associated with the other for any other reason that the fact that it's the most deeply ignorant thing you can ever hear in the whole of the political spectrum.
> @Pulpstar said: > > @justin124 said: > > > @IanB2 said: > > > > @justin124 said: > > > > I voted at 1.30 . There appeared to be a steady flow and I passed a couple of voters heading in the direction of the polling station as I walked away. The polling staff advised that turnout was similar to the Local Elections three weeks ago - if anything a shade higher.This is in a strong Labour polling district where the Greens usually are second. > > > > On my walk home, I passed another polling station from the same ward - electorally more mixed between Labour and the Tories - so I popped in to ask about turnout. I was told again that turnout was similar to 2nd May - though much lighter than for a GE or the Referendum. > > > > Overall makes me think turnout more likely to be circa 40% than 30%. > > > > > > I reckon 40-50% > > > > That is quite likely. What may depress turnout in some wards is the absence of a party battle taking place.Here in Norwich there were several wards which saw a keen contest between Labour and the Greens on 2nd May - and another saw a LibDem /Tory tussle. - with turnout well over 50% in some districts. The lack of political activity locally is likely to see that fall back a fair bit. > > Weird how that might affect turnout given the green vote in Norwich is competing against say the 3rd Brexit party seat which will come about as a result of say Grantham turnout.
Without detracting from your point which is a good one, Norwich and Grantham are in separate EU electoral regions.
> Just popped round to the polling station for a chat with one of the tellers, and it's looking like a very good turnout in our (strongly Remain-inclined) town.
Should the additional question be asked as well "Is it old or young people turning out?"
About what I'd expect for early afternoon - mostly older people but a fair smattering of work-at-home 30/40-somethings. But the older people here tend to be pretty progressive too.
Just heard that the election officers have actually phoned the District Council to ask for more ballot boxes! (Who've said no, you don't need any more, just stuff the papers in a bit harder...)
They must be using tiny ballot boxes? Or too few polling places...
Same as usual - just one polling station for the town, ballot boxes looked to be the same size as they were at the locals.
> @Richard_Tyndall said: > > @Pulpstar said: > > > @justin124 said: > > > > @IanB2 said: > > > > > @justin124 said: > > > > > I voted at 1.30 . There appeared to be a steady flow and I passed a couple of voters heading in the direction of the polling station as I walked away. The polling staff advised that turnout was similar to the Local Elections three weeks ago - if anything a shade higher.This is in a strong Labour polling district where the Greens usually are second. > > > > > On my walk home, I passed another polling station from the same ward - electorally more mixed between Labour and the Tories - so I popped in to ask about turnout. I was told again that turnout was similar to 2nd May - though much lighter than for a GE or the Referendum. > > > > > Overall makes me think turnout more likely to be circa 40% than 30%. > > > > > > > > I reckon 40-50% > > > > > > That is quite likely. What may depress turnout in some wards is the absence of a party battle taking place.Here in Norwich there were several wards which saw a keen contest between Labour and the Greens on 2nd May - and another saw a LibDem /Tory tussle. - with turnout well over 50% in some districts. The lack of political activity locally is likely to see that fall back a fair bit. > > > > Weird how that might affect turnout given the green vote in Norwich is competing against say the 3rd Brexit party seat which will come about as a result of say Grantham turnout. > > Without detracting from your point which is a good one, Norwich and Grantham are in separate EU electoral regions.
I know I know, can't remember where the eastern/East Midlands administritive for the Euro election boundary is
I asked at our polling station in Surrey and was told polling was busy (although only myself and my daughter there at the time).
Re the overseas postal voters not getting their ballot papers in time, I find the excuse of 'we complied with the rules' really, really aggravating. I get really bugged by people who feel meeting the rules is the requirement and not the ends that the rules are there for. It is a real 'jobs worth' attitude that is all to common.
> > > > > I voted at 1.30 . There appeared to be a steady flow and I passed a couple of voters heading in the direction of the polling station as I walked away. The polling staff advised that turnout was similar to the Local Elections three weeks ago - if anything a shade higher.This is in a strong Labour polling district where the Greens usually are second.
> > > > > On my walk home, I passed another polling station from the same ward - electorally more mixed between Labour and the Tories - so I popped in to ask about turnout. I was told again that turnout was similar to 2nd May - though much lighter than for a GE or the Referendum.
> > > > > Overall makes me think turnout more likely to be circa 40% than 30%.
> > > >
> > > > I reckon 40-50%
> > >
> > > That is quite likely. What may depress turnout in some wards is the absence of a party battle taking place.Here in Norwich there were several wards which saw a keen contest between Labour and the Greens on 2nd May - and another saw a LibDem /Tory tussle. - with turnout well over 50% in some districts. The lack of political activity locally is likely to see that fall back a fair bit.
> >
> > Weird how that might affect turnout given the green vote in Norwich is competing against say the 3rd Brexit party seat which will come about as a result of say Grantham turnout.
>
> Without detracting from your point which is a good one, Norwich and Grantham are in separate EU electoral regions.
I know I know, can't remember where the eastern/East Midlands administritive for the Euro election boundary is
Should you even show your face here after admitting that?
Well it does fill in some of the things that bothered me. I wondered where a milkshake could be obtained at that time in the morning. And the bicycle explains how he could have got away without being clocked, and why he didn't pour it over the head which would have been much more spectacular.
> @justin124 said: > > @RobD said: > > > @MikeL said: > > > > > Important question facing Johnson / Raab / Leadsom / any leadership contender from that side of Brexit debate: > > > > > > > > > > I'm sure they'll say they'll renegotiate with the EU but will they stick to 31 October as Exit Date come what may? > > > > > > > > > > We don't yet know leadership election timetable but it's likely that they won't become PM till late July at the earliest and possibly later. Even if it's late July as far as Parliament is concerned that only leaves a very short sitting in early Sept + the month of Oct. > > > > > > > > > > So will they cast iron promise to renegotiate and put all legislation through Parliament by 31 Oct or will they let Exit Date slip? > > > > > > > > > > This looks like a very big decision that could swing the election - because if anyone says they may let date slip then worry will be it'll be back to a repeat of the last few months. But if they cast iron promise 31 Oct then they are going to have very little time. > > > > > > > > > > Finally if they go for 31 Oct and get blocked in Parliament in late Oct then we are looking at a late Nov / early Dec GE which would be completely unprecedented in modern times. > > > > > > > > We did have November elections in 1922 and 1935. December elections were held in 1910, 1918 and 1923. > > > > ... unprecedented in modern times! > > Many people do associate 1935 with modern times!
> @kjh said: > I asked at our polling station in Surrey and was told polling was busy (although only myself and my daughter there at the time). > > Re the overseas postal voters not getting their ballot papers in time, I find the excuse of 'we complied with the rules' really, really aggravating. I get really bugged by people who feel meeting the rules is the requirement and not the ends that the rules are there for. It is a real 'jobs worth' attitude that is all to common.
It is a bit bloody ridiculous. I got my EU polling card and my Locals polling card within a day of each other - that would be probably 4 or 5 weeks ago at least. Why on earth can't the local council prioritise sending out polling cards to those most likely to have delays in obtaining them, such as those living overseas and then send the cards out to the rest of us a week later.
I don't care if every single one of those overseas voters was going to vote for Remain parties. They still have as much right to vote as the rest of us.
If this poll is correct 35% of people in this country are happy to self harm ourselves. Weird. Still, it does say that the rest are not convinced by No Deal Brexit = no mandate.
Harm other people. Pension benefits won’t be reduced.
> @matt said: > If this poll is correct 35% of people in this country are happy to self harm ourselves. Weird. Still, it does say that the rest are not convinced by No Deal Brexit = no mandate. > > Harm other people. Pension benefits won’t be reduced.
> @Richard_Tyndall said: > > @kjh said: > > I asked at our polling station in Surrey and was told polling was busy (although only myself and my daughter there at the time). > > > > Re the overseas postal voters not getting their ballot papers in time, I find the excuse of 'we complied with the rules' really, really aggravating. I get really bugged by people who feel meeting the rules is the requirement and not the ends that the rules are there for. It is a real 'jobs worth' attitude that is all to common. > > It is a bit bloody ridiculous. I got my EU polling card and my Locals polling card within a day of each other - that would be probably 4 or 5 weeks ago at least. Why on earth can't the local council prioritise sending out polling cards to those most likely to have delays in obtaining them, such as those living overseas and then send the cards out to the rest of us a week later. > > I don't care if every single one of those overseas voters was going to vote for Remain parties. They still have as much right to vote as the rest of us.
> @nico67 said: > > @Morris_Dancer said: > > Good afternoon, everyone. > > > > If that's the case, Lib Dems 5pts ahead of Lab, does that suggest a yellow London? > > It could actually be close between the Lib Dems and the Brexit Party . > > I shudder at the thought of the BP topping London but the split Remain vote could cause that . It might be very close between Lab , Lib Dems and the BP . > > Although some cross breaks show the Lib Dems well ahead of Labour I’m a bit dubious . > > However if Labour can’t win London they’re likely going to have a horror show UK wide .
I don't suppose that there is any chance of Corbyn being forced out no matter how badly Labour do.
I've just been GOTVed. Labour activist wanting to encourage me out to vote. That's the first time I've ever had someone knock on my door on election day.
Whatever the result today, at least someone is out and about asking for my vote, even if they ain't getting it. I told him I'd voted for [XXX REDACTED - NOT LABOUR - XXX]. Amusingly, he said he hoped I could "come back to the fold" next time. I then had to explain that, though I'm a floating voter, I've *never* voted Labour.
Still, a nice chap on the doorstep, and a good opportunity to give my feedback on the reasons for me avoiding Labour currently (Brexit) and previously (Iraq). Interestingly, it's Corbyn that's made the difference in both directions: his apology over Iraq was welcome, but his Brexitiness is not.
> @williamglenn said: > Scottish Tories are always desperate to send a message to Nicola Sturgeon. Does the postal service not work up there? > They're the Night's Watch, fighting a never-ending war against the SNP.
> @rottenborough said: > And for our next car crash: > > EU elections in UK declared invalid after widespread problems with EU-nationals being able to vote. Could happen by sounds of things? >
Widespread problems? Isn't the issue that they aren't following procedure and getting registered in time? There isn't a conspiracy to deny them the vote.
> Widespread problems? Isn't the issue that they aren't following procedure and getting registered in time? There isn't a conspiracy to deny them the vote.
No that's not the problem. It's a massive cock-up and pretty outrageous tbh. Have a look at #DeniedMyVote which is No.1 trend on twitter.
> @Mysticrose said: > > @RobD said: > > > Widespread problems? Isn't the issue that they aren't following procedure and getting registered in time? There isn't a conspiracy to deny them the vote. > > No that's not the problem. It's a massive cock-up and pretty outrageous tbh. Have a look at #DeniedMyVote which is No.1 trend on twitter.
From the Evening Standard article it looks as though most haven't completed the process to register properly.
> I don't care if every single one of those overseas voters was going to vote for Remain parties. They still have as much right to vote as the rest of us.
> Widespread problems? Isn't the issue that they aren't following procedure and getting registered in time? There isn't a conspiracy to deny them the vote.
No that's not the problem. It's a massive cock-up and pretty outrageous tbh. Have a look at #DeniedMyVote which is No.1 trend on twitter.
> EU elections in UK declared invalid after widespread problems with EU-nationals being able to vote. Could happen by sounds of things?
>
Widespread problems? Isn't the issue that they aren't following procedure and getting registered in time? There isn't a conspiracy to deny them the vote.
> EU elections in UK declared invalid after widespread problems with EU-nationals being able to vote. Could happen by sounds of things?
>
Widespread problems? Isn't the issue that they aren't following procedure and getting registered in time? There isn't a conspiracy to deny them the vote.
It is in the nature of conspiracies that you don't know about them.
> @eek said: > > @RobD said: > > > @Nigel_Foremain said: > > > > > > @GIN1138 said: > > > > > > > @FrancisUrquhart said: > > > > > > > I see there are reports of some old bloke acting as a teller getting attacked with a milkshake now. Not even a bloody politician. > > > > > > > > > > > > https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1131513167975256064 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is disgraceful, but let us get this straight. As a member of the Brexit Party he is not advocating honouring the result of the referendum. He wants a much more extreme version of that result. > > > > > > > > Confusing . Surely you can’t have people manning polling stations who have a party logo. > > > > > > > > I think the whole things been staged to dupe the plebs . Fake news !!! > > > > Who knows. But the incident was supposed to have taken place at 8:00 am in Aldershot - I am about 40 miles away and was up then. It was a bit parky to be just wearing a shirt. So if genuine, we have to suppose that this guy was telling quite early in the morning. His assailant would have had to have either been carrying a milkshake opportunistically in the hope that a suitable rosette wearing victim was there. Or he would have had to have clocked him, found a local source of ammunition and then returned. They must then have legged it pretty sharpish as the observer with the camera didn't have the chance to get his picture. > > > > So an odd thing to have happened especially at the time it did. And as it happens, extraordinarily lucky for the Brexit Party machine to have a fresh story like this emerging right at the beginning of polling day. It is certainly being retweeted enthusiastically by their representatives. > > > > So not impossible, but an unusual set of circumstances. > > > > Or he took off his jacket after it got covered? > > I don't think that's plausible given where he got splatted. Equally he looks almost happy about it... > > So I'm going for a put up job and fake news but it's probably done it's job...
> @RobD said: > > @rottenborough said: > > And for our next car crash: > > > > EU elections in UK declared invalid after widespread problems with EU-nationals being able to vote. Could happen by sounds of things? > > > > Widespread problems? Isn't the issue that they aren't following procedure and getting registered in time? There isn't a conspiracy to deny them the vote.
Certainly a massive cock-up if it is not a conspiracy.
> @DecrepitJohnL said: > > @RobD said: > > > @rottenborough said: > > > And for our next car crash: > > > > > > EU elections in UK declared invalid after widespread problems with EU-nationals being able to vote. Could happen by sounds of things? > > > > > > > Widespread problems? Isn't the issue that they aren't following procedure and getting registered in time? There isn't a conspiracy to deny them the vote. > > Certainly a massive cock-up if it is not a conspiracy.
Faux outrage meets lazyness meets not informing themselves of the situation.
> @TGOHF said: > People think you can just turn up and vote without being on the electoral roll ? > > Er no. > >
That's not the issue. These people are on the electoral roll, but there is a separate process to make people confirm they won't vote in another EU member state, and the administration of it has been shockingly badly handled.
> @TGOHF said: > > > @DecrepitJohnL said: > > > @RobD said: > > > > @rottenborough said: > > > > And for our next car crash: > > > > > EU elections in UK declared invalid after widespread problems with EU-nationals being able to vote. Could happen by sounds of things?
> > > Widespread problems? Isn't the issue that they aren't following procedure and getting registered in time? There isn't a conspiracy to deny them the vote.
> > Certainly a massive cock-up if it is not a conspiracy. > > Faux outrage meets lazyness meets not informing themselves of the situation. > > Entitled twerps. -------------------- Is Dan Snow involved?
> @williamglenn said: > > > > @TGOHF said: > > People think you can just turn up and vote without being on the electoral roll ? > > > > Er no. > > > > > > That's not the issue. These people are on the electoral roll, but there is a separate process to make people confirm they won't vote in another EU member state, and the administration of it has been shockingly badly handled.
The process is the same as the last set of EU elections, if I am reading this correctly.
I'm getting visions of you, OGH, Recidivist and a dog chasing the old man through Aldershot Town Centre, ripping off his rubber mask to reveal he was Godfrey Bloom all along!
Quitter wants to quit the party she joined when she quit her party to stop us from quitting the thing we voted to quit, after she stood on a manifesto promising to quit.
> @bigjohnowls said: > Heidi > > > Quitter wants to quit the party she joined when she quit her party to stop us from quitting the thing we voted to quit, after she stood on a manifesto promising to quit.
> @williamglenn said: > > > > @TGOHF said: > > People think you can just turn up and vote without being on the electoral roll ? > > > > Er no. > > > > > > That's not the issue. These people are on the electoral roll, but there is a separate process to make people confirm they won't vote in another EU member state, and the administration of it has been shockingly badly handled.
Allegedly, there are multiple cases where EU citizens have submitted the relevant paper work, in time, but the local ERO has failed to process it in time. The Grauniad reports some German citizens who submitted the forms in person before the deadlines, and then when they didn't receive a poll card called the council to be told that their forms hadn't been received by the relevant people in the ERO until over a week past the deadline. I hope they will complain to their embassy and the embassy makes a formal protest to HMG about their citizens being denied their rights.
Weirdly though, EU citizens from Ireland, Cyprus and Malta, who have the right to vote in the UK under the Ireland Act or Commonwealth citizenship, are not required to submit this paperwork. I'm surprised the other EU countries haven't complained about this discrimination against their citizens in the UK.
> @TGOHF said: > > @williamglenn said: > > the administration of it has been shockingly badly handled. > > These rules are required to prevent people voting in 28 different countries. > > Very little sympathy - ignorance is no defence. > > Still will give the snowflake remainers something to whine about - should imagine Carol Catwoman is already crying into her cortado.
“I went there in person with the forms on 2 May in the rain because we didn’t trust the post would get there by the 7 May deadline. We didn’t receive a receipt, they didn’t stamp the letters, the woman said she was going to put them in a box with the other letters,” said Sellner.
Three days ago an increasingly anxious Valero phoned and was told they were not registered “because they only received the forms on the 16th”.
Sellner protested again to Tower Hamlets and was told the forms were only “stamped” on 16 May, two weeks after they handed them to the council and one week after the deadline for registering.
Similar stories are being told up and down the country. The Guardian received more than 300 emails in the space of a few hours from EU citizens, including one Irish family in Liverpool who said they were denied the right to vote even though Irish citizens are treated like British citizens and can vote in all elections without any special forms.
Not EU citizen related, but I applied for a postal vote a few years back and it never showed up. Was only for the police commissioner post though so didn't bother to chase it up.
> @Stereotomy said: > > @TGOHF said: > > > @williamglenn said: > > > the administration of it has been shockingly badly handled. > > > > These rules are required to prevent people voting in 28 different countries. > > > > Very little sympathy - ignorance is no defence. > > > > Still will give the snowflake remainers something to whine about - should imagine Carol Catwoman is already crying into her cortado. > > “I went there in person with the forms on 2 May in the rain because we didn’t trust the post would get there by the 7 May deadline. We didn’t receive a receipt, they didn’t stamp the letters, the woman said she was going to put them in a box with the other letters,” said Sellner. > > Three days ago an increasingly anxious Valero phoned and was told they were not registered “because they only received the forms on the 16th”. > > Sellner protested again to Tower Hamlets and was told the forms were only “stamped” on 16 May, two weeks after they handed them to the council and one week after the deadline for registering. > > Similar stories are being told up and down the country. The Guardian received more than 300 emails in the space of a few hours from EU citizens, including one Irish family in Liverpool who said they were denied the right to vote even though Irish citizens are treated like British citizens and can vote in all elections without any special forms. > > https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/23/eu-citizens-denied-vote-european-election-polling-booths-admin-errors > > > Ah yes, ignorance
Just voted and there were 21 (Twenty one) candidates to choose from!
Between The Brexit Party and UKIP were The UK EU Party, who I almost voted for by mistake. I also nearly voted UKIP by mistake too, I reckon a lot of people will be confused by it all
> @TGOHF said: > > @williamglenn said: > > the administration of it has been shockingly badly handled. > > These rules are required to prevent people voting in 28 different countries. > > Very little sympathy - ignorance is no defence. > > Still will give the snowflake remainers something to whine about - should imagine Carol Catwoman is already crying into her cortado.
Ignorance is no defence? if you have done what is requested of you, do you then go and check afterwards? That is what they did. Did you check you were allowed to vote before you did or did you assume it? I think most people carry out the procedure required and assume it is being processed properly and don't check whether it has.
> @Alanbrooke said: > > @Stereotomy said: > > > @TGOHF said: > > > > @williamglenn said: > > > > the administration of it has been shockingly badly handled. > > > > > > These rules are required to prevent people voting in 28 different countries. > > > > > > Very little sympathy - ignorance is no defence. > > > > > > Still will give the snowflake remainers something to whine about - should imagine Carol Catwoman is already crying into her cortado. > > > > “I went there in person with the forms on 2 May in the rain because we didn’t trust the post would get there by the 7 May deadline. We didn’t receive a receipt, they didn’t stamp the letters, the woman said she was going to put them in a box with the other letters,” said Sellner. > > > > Three days ago an increasingly anxious Valero phoned and was told they were not registered “because they only received the forms on the 16th”. > > > > Sellner protested again to Tower Hamlets and was told the forms were only “stamped” on 16 May, two weeks after they handed them to the council and one week after the deadline for registering. > > > > Similar stories are being told up and down the country. The Guardian received more than 300 emails in the space of a few hours from EU citizens, including one Irish family in Liverpool who said they were denied the right to vote even though Irish citizens are treated like British citizens and can vote in all elections without any special forms. > > > > https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/23/eu-citizens-denied-vote-european-election-polling-booths-admin-errors > > > > > > Ah yes, ignorance > > see , remainer administrations, bloody useless.
@isam said: Just voted and there were 21 (Twenty one) candidates to choose from!
Between The Brexit Party and UKIP were The UK EU Party, who I almost voted for by mistake. I also nearly voted UKIP by mistake too, I reckon a lot of people will be confused by it all
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I think UKIP will slightly outperform expectations on the basis that some people will still see them as Farage's lot.
I wouldn't be surprised to see them get 5% or even a smidgen more, keeping BXP to 30-31%.
> @kjh said: > > @TGOHF said: > > > @williamglenn said: > > > the administration of it has been shockingly badly handled. > > > > These rules are required to prevent people voting in 28 different countries. > > > > Very little sympathy - ignorance is no defence. > > > > Still will give the snowflake remainers something to whine about - should imagine Carol Catwoman is already crying into her cortado. > > Ignorance is no defence? if you have done what is requested of you, do you then go and check afterwards? That is what they did. Did you check you were allowed to vote before you did or did you assume it? I think most people carry out the procedure required and assume it is being processed properly and don't check whether it has.
Yes, if people who had followed the procedures have been denied the vote that's outrageous. The trouble is the sheer amount of chaff from people who haven't followed the procedure, similar to a number of Home Office scandals.
I'm getting visions of you, OGH, Recidivist and a dog chasing the old man through Aldershot Town Centre, ripping off his rubber mask to reveal he was Godfrey Bloom all along!
> @RobD said: > > @williamglenn said: > > > > > > > @TGOHF said: > > > People think you can just turn up and vote without being on the electoral roll ? > > > > > > Er no. > > > > > > > > > > That's not the issue. These people are on the electoral roll, but there is a separate process to make people confirm they won't vote in another EU member state, and the administration of it has been shockingly badly handled. > > The process is the same as the last set of EU elections, if I am reading this correctly.
That's correct, and I believe you only have to fill in the form once and you can then vote in future elections (at least that is what the German form that I didn't fill in was telling me - I guess it works the same way in the UK). I think the issue is that plenty of EU citizens in the UK who at previous EU elections either voted in their country of origin (or didn't vote) were understandably keen to have their vote counted this time around in the UK. It seems that lots of these people did complete the paperwork on time, but because of councils being slow to process have been denied a vote. Others weren't informed of what they needed to do in order to vote in these elections.
I chose to vote in the UK rather than here in Germany, my postal vote only arrived a week ago so I'm not 100% sure if it got back on time. Should probably have arranged a proxy.
> @williamglenn said: > > > > @TGOHF said: > > People think you can just turn up and vote without being on the electoral roll ? > > > > Er no. > > > > > > That's not the issue. These people are on the electoral roll, but there is a separate process to make people confirm they won't vote in another EU member state, and the administration of it has been shockingly badly handled.
I blame all these new LibDem councillors.
Things worked fine before they got elected. But hey, they'll soon be able to complain to their new LibDemEP......
> > Or he took off his jacket after it got covered?
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> I don't think that's plausible given where he got splatted. Equally he looks almost happy about it...
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> So I'm going for a put up job and fake news but it's probably done it's job...
His milkshake attracts all the boys to the polls
re the Daily Mail story - why was he "setting up a stall" when tellers are only allowed to wear a rosette?
Don MacNaughton told SurreyLive he was “making a presence” for the Brexit Party Tellers must not: • be able to see or hear what is happening inside the polling station • impede, obstruct or intimidate voters on their way in or out of the polling station • demand any information relating to a voter’s elector number, name or address (i.e only a polite request) • ask voters to re-enter the polling station to ascertain their elector number • have discussions with voters that may give rise to allegations of undue infuence (e.g. voting intentions, party affliations or party campaigns) • display any campaign material in support of or against any particular political party or candidate other than a rosette or badge
> @sarissa said: > > @eek said: > > > > @RobD said: > > > > > @Nigel_Foremain said: > > > > > > > > > > @GIN1138 said: > > > > > > > > > > > @FrancisUrquhart said: > > > > > > > > > > > I see there are reports of some old bloke acting as a teller getting attacked with a milkshake now. Not even a bloody politician. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1131513167975256064 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or he took off his jacket after it got covered? > > > > > > I don't think that's plausible given where he got splatted. Equally he looks almost happy about it... > > > > > > So I'm going for a put up job and fake news but it's probably done it's job... > > > > His milkshake attracts all the boys to the polls > > re the Daily Mail story > - why was he "setting up a stall" when tellers are only allowed to wear a rosette? > > Don MacNaughton told SurreyLive he was “making a presence” for the Brexit Party > Tellers must not: > • be able to see or hear what is happening inside the polling station > • impede, obstruct or intimidate voters on their way in or out of the polling station > • demand any information relating to a voter’s elector number, name or address (i.e only a polite request) > • ask voters to re-enter the polling station to ascertain their elector number > • have discussions with voters that may give rise to allegations of undue infuence (e.g. voting intentions, party affliations or party campaigns) > • display any campaign material in support of or against any particular political party or candidate other than a rosette or badge
His stall seems to be a chair. And is there any suggestion he was doing any of those?
I'm getting visions of you, OGH, Recidivist and a dog chasing the old man through Aldershot Town Centre, ripping off his rubber mask to reveal he was Godfrey Bloom all along!
Voted, Hampstead, asked about turnout, "very low" they said. Yet I've had reports of MASSIVE turnout in parts of Essex. Looking great for Leave. I think they will beat their previous 52% comfortably.
Bottom line - people who really want to leave the EU really really want to leave it more than the people who really want to remain really really want to remain.
> @nico67 said: > > @Morris_Dancer said: > > Good afternoon, everyone. > > > > If that's the case, Lib Dems 5pts ahead of Lab, does that suggest a yellow London? > > It could actually be close between the Lib Dems and the Brexit Party . > > I shudder at the thought of the BP topping London but the split Remain vote could cause that . It might be very close between Lab , Lib Dems and the BP . > > Although some cross breaks show the Lib Dems well ahead of Labour I’m a bit dubious . > > However if Labour can’t win London they’re likely going to have a horror show UK wide .
re the Daily Mail story - why was he "setting up a stall" when tellers are only allowed to wear a rosette?
Don MacNaughton told SurreyLive he was “making a presence” for the Brexit Party Tellers must not: • be able to see or hear what is happening inside the polling station • impede, obstruct or intimidate voters on their way in or out of the polling station • demand any information relating to a voter’s elector number, name or address (i.e only a polite request) • ask voters to re-enter the polling station to ascertain their elector number • have discussions with voters that may give rise to allegations of undue infuence (e.g. voting intentions, party affliations or party campaigns) • display any campaign material in support of or against any particular political party or candidate other than a rosette or badge
This became yawn inducing a while back.
It sounds as though he did get milkshaken; leave the poor guy alone.
Tim Pool tells of (at least in the US) basically they are all in the same private WhatApps / Facebook groups, follow each other on twitter and that's exactly what happens. Somebody posts, they all read it and repeat it with their own small twist on it. Very little if any secondary fact checking going on.
Its a giant game of telephone / Chinese whispers (if we are allowed to call it that these days).
A lot of it is driven by habit they have formed, but also that the likes of the Guardian and Mail have to put out 100s of articles a day to generate enough clicks.
> @kinabalu said: > Voted, Hampstead, asked about turnout, "very low" they said. Yet I've had reports of MASSIVE turnout in parts of Essex. Looking great for Leave. I think they will beat their previous 52% comfortably. > > Bottom line - people who really want to leave the EU really really want to leave it more than the people who really want to remain really really want to remain. > > Happy to be proved wrong on Sunday.
Although the LDs did very well in many parts of Essex at the local elections.
Just voted and there were 21 (Twenty one) candidates to choose from!
Between The Brexit Party and UKIP were The UK EU Party, who I almost voted for by mistake. I also nearly voted UKIP by mistake too, I reckon a lot of people will be confused by it all
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I think UKIP will slightly outperform expectations on the basis that some people will still see them as Farage's lot.
I wouldn't be surprised to see them get 5% or even a smidgen more, keeping BXP to 30-31%.
Yeah easy mistake to make. Especially as they are next to each other on some ballots.
I am intrigued to know the turnout, will that be revealed tonight do you think?
> @kinabalu said: > Voted, Hampstead, asked about turnout, "very low" they said. Yet I've had reports of MASSIVE turnout in parts of Essex. Looking great for Leave. I think they will beat their previous 52% comfortably. > > Bottom line - people who really want to leave the EU really really want to leave it more than the people who really want to remain really really want to remain. > > Happy to be proved wrong on Sunday.
You are spot on Lab + Con less than 25% combined looks possible
Not sure that is a great loss to the cause. Although I do remember when LabourList was worth reading (and Left Foot Forward)...now its all about the fake news crackpot conspiracy sites instead.
> @ah009 said: > > @DoubleD said: > > fascists were socailists > > I can't take anybody seriously after they've said that. > And no, I'm neither a fascist or a socialist. I don't mind either being associated with the other for any other reason that the fact that it's the most deeply ignorant thing you can ever hear in the whole of the political spectrum. >
Yup. I'm sure we all have our favourite signifiers, but for me the 3 infallible signs of dumbassery are Hitler was a socialist, climate change is fake because it's snowing unseasonably in the tiny bit of the world where I live and why do the SNP want to leave the easygoing UK for the oppressive EU: THAT'S NOT REAL INDEPENDENCE!!!!
The self satisfied, drop-the-mike way that these are usually delivered is just the icing on the stoopid cake.
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> Off-topic:
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> In other news, Tesla's share price is currently trading at 186 dollars, about half its peak from last year, about the time he (ahem) wanted to buy back the shares at $420 a share ...
I think it will succeed long term, but is also overvalued now.
> Just popped round to the polling station for a chat with one of the tellers, and it's looking like a very good turnout in our (strongly Remain-inclined) town.
Should the additional question be asked as well "Is it old or young people turning out?"
Congratulations.
> "The winds of destruction"
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> https://twitter.com/andrew_lilico/status/1131471340014325761
Arson -> Convection -> Wind
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7062321/Yob-pelts-Brexit-Party-supporting-army-veteran-MILKSHAKE.html
> > @Richard_Tyndall said:
> > > @RobD said:
> > > > @Nigel_Foremain said:
> > > > > @HYUFD said:
> > > > > https://twitter.com/KTHopkins/status/1131415869605777409?s=20
> > > >
> > > > Hilarious how some idiots think voting for a party that is fascist in all but name is a vote for democracy.
> > >
> > > Brexit party is a fascist party?
> >
> > Nigel gives the impression he thinks any party which isn't fanatically Europhile is by definition fascist.
>
> fascists were socailists/ German Socilaists. Mussolini, a Socialist.
Why is she standing in front of the Norwegian Storting?
> > @Carolus_Rex said:
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> > > @Nigelb said:
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> > > > @isam said:
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> > > > https://twitter.com/jarvisdupont/status/1131509750938722304
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> > > This is, presumably, satire ?
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> > > Albeit of a debased kind.
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> > Yes it is. The bastard love child of Titania McGrath and Godfrey Elfwick, or something like that,
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> It is extremely clever...
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> In the same way Trump is a genius, and Johnson a shining wit ?
Anything that is done well enough to take in both the left wing snowflakes it is satirising and their idiotic right wing targets deserves some congratulations.
Just heard that the election officers have actually phoned the District Council to ask for more ballot boxes! (Who've said no, you don't need any more, just stuff the papers in a bit harder...)
> CCTV at the local Co-op could get to the bottom of this mystery
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> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7062321/Yob-pelts-Brexit-Party-supporting-army-veteran-MILKSHAKE.html
A considerably more credible account.
> > @Pulpstar said:
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> > Electoral calculus @ 24% each
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> > Lab 237, Con 195, Brexit 80, Lib Dem 62
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> Crumbs. That's even more deadlocked than right now.
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> Hyfud had it right. The voters are trolling the politicians.
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A.k.a. a parliament that's been hung by the neck until it's nearly dead. However, it seems that Lab-LD-SNP would have 350 seats. (The SNP also does well on seats if larger parties fall back to <30%.)
Hint to small parties, take negotiating lessons from Arlene Foster.
If LDs and SNP are able to force the introduction of PR, it would put the two main parties out of their misery and they could split into smaller, more logical units.
P.S. I've tried to edit this to remove the blank lines.
> Good afternoon, everyone.
>
> If that's the case, Lib Dems 5pts ahead of Lab, does that suggest a yellow London?
It could actually be close between the Lib Dems and the Brexit Party .
I shudder at the thought of the BP topping London but the split Remain vote could cause that . It might be very close between Lab , Lib Dems and the BP .
Although some cross breaks show the Lib Dems well ahead of Labour I’m a bit dubious .
However if Labour can’t win London they’re likely going to have a horror show UK wide .
> fascists were socailists
I can't take anybody seriously after they've said that.
And no, I'm neither a fascist or a socialist. I don't mind either being associated with the other for any other reason that the fact that it's the most deeply ignorant thing you can ever hear in the whole of the political spectrum.
https://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/surrey-news/brexit-european-elections-milkshake-aldershot-16320052
> > @justin124 said:
> > > @IanB2 said:
> > > > @justin124 said:
> > > > I voted at 1.30 . There appeared to be a steady flow and I passed a couple of voters heading in the direction of the polling station as I walked away. The polling staff advised that turnout was similar to the Local Elections three weeks ago - if anything a shade higher.This is in a strong Labour polling district where the Greens usually are second.
> > > > On my walk home, I passed another polling station from the same ward - electorally more mixed between Labour and the Tories - so I popped in to ask about turnout. I was told again that turnout was similar to 2nd May - though much lighter than for a GE or the Referendum.
> > > > Overall makes me think turnout more likely to be circa 40% than 30%.
> > >
> > > I reckon 40-50%
> >
> > That is quite likely. What may depress turnout in some wards is the absence of a party battle taking place.Here in Norwich there were several wards which saw a keen contest between Labour and the Greens on 2nd May - and another saw a LibDem /Tory tussle. - with turnout well over 50% in some districts. The lack of political activity locally is likely to see that fall back a fair bit.
>
> Weird how that might affect turnout given the green vote in Norwich is competing against say the 3rd Brexit party seat which will come about as a result of say Grantham turnout.
Without detracting from your point which is a good one, Norwich and Grantham are in separate EU electoral regions.
> > @Pulpstar said:
> > > @justin124 said:
> > > > @IanB2 said:
> > > > > @justin124 said:
> > > > > I voted at 1.30 . There appeared to be a steady flow and I passed a couple of voters heading in the direction of the polling station as I walked away. The polling staff advised that turnout was similar to the Local Elections three weeks ago - if anything a shade higher.This is in a strong Labour polling district where the Greens usually are second.
> > > > > On my walk home, I passed another polling station from the same ward - electorally more mixed between Labour and the Tories - so I popped in to ask about turnout. I was told again that turnout was similar to 2nd May - though much lighter than for a GE or the Referendum.
> > > > > Overall makes me think turnout more likely to be circa 40% than 30%.
> > > >
> > > > I reckon 40-50%
> > >
> > > That is quite likely. What may depress turnout in some wards is the absence of a party battle taking place.Here in Norwich there were several wards which saw a keen contest between Labour and the Greens on 2nd May - and another saw a LibDem /Tory tussle. - with turnout well over 50% in some districts. The lack of political activity locally is likely to see that fall back a fair bit.
> >
> > Weird how that might affect turnout given the green vote in Norwich is competing against say the 3rd Brexit party seat which will come about as a result of say Grantham turnout.
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> Without detracting from your point which is a good one, Norwich and Grantham are in separate EU electoral regions.
I know I know, can't remember where the eastern/East Midlands administritive for the Euro election boundary is
Re the overseas postal voters not getting their ballot papers in time, I find the excuse of 'we complied with the rules' really, really aggravating. I get really bugged by people who feel meeting the rules is the requirement and not the ends that the rules are there for. It is a real 'jobs worth' attitude that is all to common.
> > @RobD said:
> > > @MikeL said:
> >
> > > Important question facing Johnson / Raab / Leadsom / any leadership contender from that side of Brexit debate:
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> > > I'm sure they'll say they'll renegotiate with the EU but will they stick to 31 October as Exit Date come what may?
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> > > We don't yet know leadership election timetable but it's likely that they won't become PM till late July at the earliest and possibly later. Even if it's late July as far as Parliament is concerned that only leaves a very short sitting in early Sept + the month of Oct.
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> > > So will they cast iron promise to renegotiate and put all legislation through Parliament by 31 Oct or will they let Exit Date slip?
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> > > This looks like a very big decision that could swing the election - because if anyone says they may let date slip then worry will be it'll be back to a repeat of the last few months. But if they cast iron promise 31 Oct then they are going to have very little time.
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> > > Finally if they go for 31 Oct and get blocked in Parliament in late Oct then we are looking at a late Nov / early Dec GE which would be completely unprecedented in modern times.
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> > We did have November elections in 1922 and 1935. December elections were held in 1910, 1918 and 1923.
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> > ... unprecedented in modern times!
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> Many people do associate 1935 with modern times!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Times_(film)
1936
My book is very disappointed he isn't going to run himself.
> I asked at our polling station in Surrey and was told polling was busy (although only myself and my daughter there at the time).
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> Re the overseas postal voters not getting their ballot papers in time, I find the excuse of 'we complied with the rules' really, really aggravating. I get really bugged by people who feel meeting the rules is the requirement and not the ends that the rules are there for. It is a real 'jobs worth' attitude that is all to common.
It is a bit bloody ridiculous. I got my EU polling card and my Locals polling card within a day of each other - that would be probably 4 or 5 weeks ago at least. Why on earth can't the local council prioritise sending out polling cards to those most likely to have delays in obtaining them, such as those living overseas and then send the cards out to the rest of us a week later.
I don't care if every single one of those overseas voters was going to vote for Remain parties. They still have as much right to vote as the rest of us.
> If this poll is correct 35% of people in this country are happy to self harm ourselves. Weird. Still, it does say that the rest are not convinced by No Deal Brexit = no mandate.
>
> Harm other people. Pension benefits won’t be reduced.
I dunno, I'm sure that can be arranged.
> > @kjh said:
> > I asked at our polling station in Surrey and was told polling was busy (although only myself and my daughter there at the time).
> >
> > Re the overseas postal voters not getting their ballot papers in time, I find the excuse of 'we complied with the rules' really, really aggravating. I get really bugged by people who feel meeting the rules is the requirement and not the ends that the rules are there for. It is a real 'jobs worth' attitude that is all to common.
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> It is a bit bloody ridiculous. I got my EU polling card and my Locals polling card within a day of each other - that would be probably 4 or 5 weeks ago at least. Why on earth can't the local council prioritise sending out polling cards to those most likely to have delays in obtaining them, such as those living overseas and then send the cards out to the rest of us a week later.
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> I don't care if every single one of those overseas voters was going to vote for Remain parties. They still have as much right to vote as the rest of us.
We never even got voting cards here in Colchester
And the movie of the series coming out shortly -
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/05/27/david-milchs-third-act
Remarkable guy.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-48333923
> > @Morris_Dancer said:
> > Good afternoon, everyone.
> >
> > If that's the case, Lib Dems 5pts ahead of Lab, does that suggest a yellow London?
>
> It could actually be close between the Lib Dems and the Brexit Party .
>
> I shudder at the thought of the BP topping London but the split Remain vote could cause that . It might be very close between Lab , Lib Dems and the BP .
>
> Although some cross breaks show the Lib Dems well ahead of Labour I’m a bit dubious .
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> However if Labour can’t win London they’re likely going to have a horror show UK wide .
I don't suppose that there is any chance of Corbyn being forced out no matter how badly Labour do.
https://twitter.com/John2Win/status/1131466877694353408
Whatever the result today, at least someone is out and about asking for my vote, even if they ain't getting it. I told him I'd voted for [XXX REDACTED - NOT LABOUR - XXX]. Amusingly, he said he hoped I could "come back to the fold" next time. I then had to explain that, though I'm a floating voter, I've *never* voted Labour.
Still, a nice chap on the doorstep, and a good opportunity to give my feedback on the reasons for me avoiding Labour currently (Brexit) and previously (Iraq). Interestingly, it's Corbyn that's made the difference in both directions: his apology over Iraq was welcome, but his Brexitiness is not.
Alas.
> The next Tory leader will 'win' if we're out of the EU come next GE polling day.
Well the first step to achieving that is ensuring there is a next leader - by prising Mrs May out of her bunker.
> Scottish Tories are always desperate to send a message to Nicola Sturgeon. Does the postal service not work up there?
>
They're the Night's Watch, fighting a never-ending war against the SNP.
> Scottish Tories are always desperate to send a message to Nicola Sturgeon. Does the postal service not work up there?
>
> https://twitter.com/John2Win/status/1131466877694353408
They unionist right wing in Scotland would do so much better if the Conservatives and Ruth's Team were to form a single party.
> https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1131568519521406976
Do they have to man the barricades to prevent her being dragged out ?
EU elections in UK declared invalid after widespread problems with EU-nationals being able to vote. Could happen by sounds of things?
> And for our next car crash:
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> EU elections in UK declared invalid after widespread problems with EU-nationals being able to vote. Could happen by sounds of things?
>
Widespread problems? Isn't the issue that they aren't following procedure and getting registered in time? There isn't a conspiracy to deny them the vote.
> Widespread problems? Isn't the issue that they aren't following procedure and getting registered in time? There isn't a conspiracy to deny them the vote.
No that's not the problem. It's a massive cock-up and pretty outrageous tbh. Have a look at #DeniedMyVote which is No.1 trend on twitter.
> The next Tory leader will 'win' if we're out of the EU come next GE polling day.
What odds?
> > @RobD said:
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> > Widespread problems? Isn't the issue that they aren't following procedure and getting registered in time? There isn't a conspiracy to deny them the vote.
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> No that's not the problem. It's a massive cock-up and pretty outrageous tbh. Have a look at #DeniedMyVote which is No.1 trend on twitter.
From the Evening Standard article it looks as though most haven't completed the process to register properly.
> I don't care if every single one of those overseas voters was going to vote for Remain parties. They still have as much right to vote as the rest of us.
Well said that man
> > @RobD said:
> > > @Nigel_Foremain said:
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> > > > @GIN1138 said:
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> > > > > @FrancisUrquhart said:
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> > > > > I see there are reports of some old bloke acting as a teller getting attacked with a milkshake now. Not even a bloody politician.
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> > > > https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1131513167975256064
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> > > It is disgraceful, but let us get this straight. As a member of the Brexit Party he is not advocating honouring the result of the referendum. He wants a much more extreme version of that result.
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> > Confusing . Surely you can’t have people manning polling stations who have a party logo.
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> > I think the whole things been staged to dupe the plebs . Fake news !!!
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> > Who knows. But the incident was supposed to have taken place at 8:00 am in Aldershot - I am about 40 miles away and was up then. It was a bit parky to be just wearing a shirt. So if genuine, we have to suppose that this guy was telling quite early in the morning. His assailant would have had to have either been carrying a milkshake opportunistically in the hope that a suitable rosette wearing victim was there. Or he would have had to have clocked him, found a local source of ammunition and then returned. They must then have legged it pretty sharpish as the observer with the camera didn't have the chance to get his picture.
> >
> > So an odd thing to have happened especially at the time it did. And as it happens, extraordinarily lucky for the Brexit Party machine to have a fresh story like this emerging right at the beginning of polling day. It is certainly being retweeted enthusiastically by their representatives.
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> > So not impossible, but an unusual set of circumstances.
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> > Or he took off his jacket after it got covered?
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> I don't think that's plausible given where he got splatted. Equally he looks almost happy about it...
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> So I'm going for a put up job and fake news but it's probably done it's job...
His milkshake attracts all the boys to the polls
> > @rottenborough said:
> > And for our next car crash:
> >
> > EU elections in UK declared invalid after widespread problems with EU-nationals being able to vote. Could happen by sounds of things?
> >
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> Widespread problems? Isn't the issue that they aren't following procedure and getting registered in time? There isn't a conspiracy to deny them the vote.
Certainly a massive cock-up if it is not a conspiracy.
Er no.
> People think you can just turn up and vote without being on the electoral roll ?
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> Er no.
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Next thing they'll want is to be able to vote in referendums without being citizens.
> > @RobD said:
> > > @rottenborough said:
> > > And for our next car crash:
> > >
> > > EU elections in UK declared invalid after widespread problems with EU-nationals being able to vote. Could happen by sounds of things?
> > >
> >
> > Widespread problems? Isn't the issue that they aren't following procedure and getting registered in time? There isn't a conspiracy to deny them the vote.
>
> Certainly a massive cock-up if it is not a conspiracy.
Faux outrage meets lazyness meets not informing themselves of the situation.
Entitled twerps.
> People think you can just turn up and vote without being on the electoral roll ?
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> Er no.
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That's not the issue. These people are on the electoral roll, but there is a separate process to make people confirm they won't vote in another EU member state, and the administration of it has been shockingly badly handled.
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> > @DecrepitJohnL said:
> > > @RobD said:
> > > > @rottenborough said:
> > > > And for our next car crash:
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> > > > EU elections in UK declared invalid after widespread problems with EU-nationals being able to vote. Could happen by sounds of things?
> > > Widespread problems? Isn't the issue that they aren't following procedure and getting registered in time? There isn't a conspiracy to deny them the vote.
> > Certainly a massive cock-up if it is not a conspiracy.
>
> Faux outrage meets lazyness meets not informing themselves of the situation.
>
> Entitled twerps.
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Is Dan Snow involved?
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> > @TGOHF said:
> > People think you can just turn up and vote without being on the electoral roll ?
> >
> > Er no.
> >
> >
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> That's not the issue. These people are on the electoral roll, but there is a separate process to make people confirm they won't vote in another EU member state, and the administration of it has been shockingly badly handled.
The process is the same as the last set of EU elections, if I am reading this correctly.
> the administration of it has been shockingly badly handled.
These rules are required to prevent people voting in 28 different countries.
Very little sympathy - ignorance is no defence.
Still will give the snowflake remainers something to whine about - should imagine Carol Catwoman is already crying into her cortado.
Quitter wants to quit the party she joined when she quit her party to stop us from quitting the thing we voted to quit, after she stood on a manifesto promising to quit.
> Heidi
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> Quitter wants to quit the party she joined when she quit her party to stop us from quitting the thing we voted to quit, after she stood on a manifesto promising to quit.
Nicely done sir!
https://twitter.com/arbie_jones/status/1131571336013406209
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> > @TGOHF said:
> > People think you can just turn up and vote without being on the electoral roll ?
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> That's not the issue. These people are on the electoral roll, but there is a separate process to make people confirm they won't vote in another EU member state, and the administration of it has been shockingly badly handled.
Allegedly, there are multiple cases where EU citizens have submitted the relevant paper work, in time, but the local ERO has failed to process it in time. The Grauniad reports some German citizens who submitted the forms in person before the deadlines, and then when they didn't receive a poll card called the council to be told that their forms hadn't been received by the relevant people in the ERO until over a week past the deadline. I hope they will complain to their embassy and the embassy makes a formal protest to HMG about their citizens being denied their rights.
Weirdly though, EU citizens from Ireland, Cyprus and Malta, who have the right to vote in the UK under the Ireland Act or Commonwealth citizenship, are not required to submit this paperwork. I'm surprised the other EU countries haven't complained about this discrimination against their citizens in the UK.
> > @williamglenn said:
> > the administration of it has been shockingly badly handled.
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> These rules are required to prevent people voting in 28 different countries.
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> Very little sympathy - ignorance is no defence.
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> Still will give the snowflake remainers something to whine about - should imagine Carol Catwoman is already crying into her cortado.
“I went there in person with the forms on 2 May in the rain because we didn’t trust the post would get there by the 7 May deadline. We didn’t receive a receipt, they didn’t stamp the letters, the woman said she was going to put them in a box with the other letters,” said Sellner.
Three days ago an increasingly anxious Valero phoned and was told they were not registered “because they only received the forms on the 16th”.
Sellner protested again to Tower Hamlets and was told the forms were only “stamped” on 16 May, two weeks after they handed them to the council and one week after the deadline for registering.
Similar stories are being told up and down the country. The Guardian received more than 300 emails in the space of a few hours from EU citizens, including one Irish family in Liverpool who said they were denied the right to vote even though Irish citizens are treated like British citizens and can vote in all elections without any special forms.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/23/eu-citizens-denied-vote-european-election-polling-booths-admin-errors
Ah yes, ignorance
> People think you can just turn up and vote without being on the electoral roll ?
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What was your excuse for this comment, other than ignorance?
It'll be incompetence.
> > @TGOHF said:
> > > @williamglenn said:
> > > the administration of it has been shockingly badly handled.
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> > Very little sympathy - ignorance is no defence.
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> > Still will give the snowflake remainers something to whine about - should imagine Carol Catwoman is already crying into her cortado.
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> “I went there in person with the forms on 2 May in the rain because we didn’t trust the post would get there by the 7 May deadline. We didn’t receive a receipt, they didn’t stamp the letters, the woman said she was going to put them in a box with the other letters,” said Sellner.
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> Three days ago an increasingly anxious Valero phoned and was told they were not registered “because they only received the forms on the 16th”.
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> Sellner protested again to Tower Hamlets and was told the forms were only “stamped” on 16 May, two weeks after they handed them to the council and one week after the deadline for registering.
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> Similar stories are being told up and down the country. The Guardian received more than 300 emails in the space of a few hours from EU citizens, including one Irish family in Liverpool who said they were denied the right to vote even though Irish citizens are treated like British citizens and can vote in all elections without any special forms.
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> https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/23/eu-citizens-denied-vote-european-election-polling-booths-admin-errors
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> Ah yes, ignorance
see , remainer administrations, bloody useless.
Between The Brexit Party and UKIP were The UK EU Party, who I almost voted for by mistake. I also nearly voted UKIP by mistake too, I reckon a lot of people will be confused by it all
> > @williamglenn said:
> > the administration of it has been shockingly badly handled.
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> These rules are required to prevent people voting in 28 different countries.
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> Still will give the snowflake remainers something to whine about - should imagine Carol Catwoman is already crying into her cortado.
Ignorance is no defence? if you have done what is requested of you, do you then go and check afterwards? That is what they did. Did you check you were allowed to vote before you did or did you assume it? I think most people carry out the procedure required and assume it is being processed properly and don't check whether it has.
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> > > @TGOHF said:
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> > > > the administration of it has been shockingly badly handled.
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> > > Still will give the snowflake remainers something to whine about - should imagine Carol Catwoman is already crying into her cortado.
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> > “I went there in person with the forms on 2 May in the rain because we didn’t trust the post would get there by the 7 May deadline. We didn’t receive a receipt, they didn’t stamp the letters, the woman said she was going to put them in a box with the other letters,” said Sellner.
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> > Three days ago an increasingly anxious Valero phoned and was told they were not registered “because they only received the forms on the 16th”.
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> > Sellner protested again to Tower Hamlets and was told the forms were only “stamped” on 16 May, two weeks after they handed them to the council and one week after the deadline for registering.
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> > Similar stories are being told up and down the country. The Guardian received more than 300 emails in the space of a few hours from EU citizens, including one Irish family in Liverpool who said they were denied the right to vote even though Irish citizens are treated like British citizens and can vote in all elections without any special forms.
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> > https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/23/eu-citizens-denied-vote-european-election-polling-booths-admin-errors
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> > Ah yes, ignorance
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> see , remainer administrations, bloody useless.
I was thinking Labour......
Just voted and there were 21 (Twenty one) candidates to choose from!
Between The Brexit Party and UKIP were The UK EU Party, who I almost voted for by mistake. I also nearly voted UKIP by mistake too, I reckon a lot of people will be confused by it all
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I think UKIP will slightly outperform expectations on the basis that some people will still see them as Farage's lot.
I wouldn't be surprised to see them get 5% or even a smidgen more, keeping BXP to 30-31%.
> > @TGOHF said:
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> > > the administration of it has been shockingly badly handled.
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> > These rules are required to prevent people voting in 28 different countries.
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> > Very little sympathy - ignorance is no defence.
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> > Still will give the snowflake remainers something to whine about - should imagine Carol Catwoman is already crying into her cortado.
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> Ignorance is no defence? if you have done what is requested of you, do you then go and check afterwards? That is what they did. Did you check you were allowed to vote before you did or did you assume it? I think most people carry out the procedure required and assume it is being processed properly and don't check whether it has.
Yes, if people who had followed the procedures have been denied the vote that's outrageous. The trouble is the sheer amount of chaff from people who haven't followed the procedure, similar to a number of Home Office scandals.
> > @williamglenn said:
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> > > People think you can just turn up and vote without being on the electoral roll ?
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> > That's not the issue. These people are on the electoral roll, but there is a separate process to make people confirm they won't vote in another EU member state, and the administration of it has been shockingly badly handled.
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> The process is the same as the last set of EU elections, if I am reading this correctly.
That's correct, and I believe you only have to fill in the form once and you can then vote in future elections (at least that is what the German form that I didn't fill in was telling me - I guess it works the same way in the UK). I think the issue is that plenty of EU citizens in the UK who at previous EU elections either voted in their country of origin (or didn't vote) were understandably keen to have their vote counted this time around in the UK. It seems that lots of these people did complete the paperwork on time, but because of councils being slow to process have been denied a vote. Others weren't informed of what they needed to do in order to vote in these elections.
I chose to vote in the UK rather than here in Germany, my postal vote only arrived a week ago so I'm not 100% sure if it got back on time. Should probably have arranged a proxy.
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> > People think you can just turn up and vote without being on the electoral roll ?
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> That's not the issue. These people are on the electoral roll, but there is a separate process to make people confirm they won't vote in another EU member state, and the administration of it has been shockingly badly handled.
I blame all these new LibDem councillors.
Things worked fine before they got elected. But hey, they'll soon be able to complain to their new LibDemEP......
- why was he "setting up a stall" when tellers are only allowed to wear a rosette?
Don MacNaughton told SurreyLive he was “making a presence” for the Brexit Party
Tellers must not:
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• ask voters to re-enter the polling station to ascertain their elector number
• have discussions with voters that may give rise to allegations of undue infuence (e.g. voting intentions, party affliations or party campaigns)
• display any campaign material in support of or against any particular political party or candidate other than a rosette or badge
I also nearly voted UKIP by mistake too,
I can confirm that would have been a mistake
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> - why was he "setting up a stall" when tellers are only allowed to wear a rosette?
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> Don MacNaughton told SurreyLive he was “making a presence” for the Brexit Party
> Tellers must not:
> • be able to see or hear what is happening inside the polling station
> • impede, obstruct or intimidate voters on their way in or out of the polling station
> • demand any information relating to a voter’s elector number, name or address (i.e only a polite request)
> • ask voters to re-enter the polling station to ascertain their elector number
> • have discussions with voters that may give rise to allegations of undue infuence (e.g. voting intentions, party affliations or party campaigns)
> • display any campaign material in support of or against any particular political party or candidate other than a rosette or badge
His stall seems to be a chair. And is there any suggestion he was doing any of those?
Bottom line - people who really want to leave the EU really really want to leave it more than the people who really want to remain really really want to remain.
Happy to be proved wrong on Sunday.
> > @Morris_Dancer said:
> > Good afternoon, everyone.
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> > If that's the case, Lib Dems 5pts ahead of Lab, does that suggest a yellow London?
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> It could actually be close between the Lib Dems and the Brexit Party .
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> I shudder at the thought of the BP topping London but the split Remain vote could cause that . It might be very close between Lab , Lib Dems and the BP .
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> Although some cross breaks show the Lib Dems well ahead of Labour I’m a bit dubious .
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> However if Labour can’t win London they’re likely going to have a horror show UK wide .
Here's Hoping
It sounds as though he did get milkshaken; leave the poor guy alone.
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.158459621
In Italy. The folks here were laughing (sympathetically, perhaps because I was present) at the UK. We never thought of the UK as being crazy.
All those years accumulating respect and no small amount of admiration. Undone. Will take generations to regain.
> How much journalism is just twitter repitition with a few words added these days ?
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> https://twitter.com/arbie_jones/status/1131571336013406209
Tim Pool tells of (at least in the US) basically they are all in the same private WhatApps / Facebook groups, follow each other on twitter and that's exactly what happens. Somebody posts, they all read it and repeat it with their own small twist on it. Very little if any secondary fact checking going on.
Its a giant game of telephone / Chinese whispers (if we are allowed to call it that these days).
A lot of it is driven by habit they have formed, but also that the likes of the Guardian and Mail have to put out 100s of articles a day to generate enough clicks.
> Are we really at the stage where people are making a conspiracy of an old bloke telling at a polling station?
Has anyone checked whether or not he has a Russian accent?
> Voted, Hampstead, asked about turnout, "very low" they said. Yet I've had reports of MASSIVE turnout in parts of Essex. Looking great for Leave. I think they will beat their previous 52% comfortably.
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> Bottom line - people who really want to leave the EU really really want to leave it more than the people who really want to remain really really want to remain.
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Although the LDs did very well in many parts of Essex at the local elections.
I am intrigued to know the turnout, will that be revealed tonight do you think?
https://order-order.com/2019/05/23/labourlist-founding-editor-quits-labour-35-years/
> Voted, Hampstead, asked about turnout, "very low" they said. Yet I've had reports of MASSIVE turnout in parts of Essex. Looking great for Leave. I think they will beat their previous 52% comfortably.
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> Bottom line - people who really want to leave the EU really really want to leave it more than the people who really want to remain really really want to remain.
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You are spot on Lab + Con less than 25% combined looks possible
https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1131582617965465600
> Derek Draper leaves Labour
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> https://order-order.com/2019/05/23/labourlist-founding-editor-quits-labour-35-years/
Not sure that is a great loss to the cause. Although I do remember when LabourList was worth reading (and Left Foot Forward)...now its all about the fake news crackpot conspiracy sites instead.
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> I can't take anybody seriously after they've said that.
> And no, I'm neither a fascist or a socialist. I don't mind either being associated with the other for any other reason that the fact that it's the most deeply ignorant thing you can ever hear in the whole of the political spectrum.
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Yup.
I'm sure we all have our favourite signifiers, but for me the 3 infallible signs of dumbassery are Hitler was a socialist, climate change is fake because it's snowing unseasonably in the tiny bit of the world where I live and why do the SNP want to leave the easygoing UK for the oppressive EU: THAT'S NOT REAL INDEPENDENCE!!!!
The self satisfied, drop-the-mike way that these are usually delivered is just the icing on the stoopid cake.
Hodges was right about May being a terrible PM, but Parliament also being terrible.