> @Stark_Dawning said: > No Deal must now be nailed on. If Nigel triumphs as seems inevitable not a Tory in the land will advocate negotiating with Brussels.
Sure they will, one last heave of 'they will give in because I say so' bollocks before saying no deal it is. Or from someone who is then forced out of the party.
> @DavidL said: > > @dixiedean said: > > > @DavidL said: > > > > @dixiedean said: > > > > > @DavidL said: > > > > > > @dixiedean said: > > > > > > > @williamglenn said: > > > > > > > Does Liz Truss think there’s no life outside London? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://twitter.com/asabenn/status/1130538095928139776?s=21 > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting insight into priorities from James Cleverly "We need houses in the South where there are good quality jobs." > > > > > > Not we need good quality jobs elsewhere, where there is affordable housing. > > > > > > Duly noted. > > > > > > > > > > It's a lot easier to build a house than a viable business. > > > > > > > > After the shafting the Tories got at the locals from nimby Home Counties LDs and Independents? A million new homes in the South East? Good luck. > > > > The government is a huge procurer of business contracts as you well know. > > > > And even were that the case a 2 pronged approach may possibly have merits. > > > > > > I am not suggesting that the policy makes any sense. I am not sure from my trips down where you would fit another million homes into the south east or the 2 million cars that would probably generate on the roads or the 2 million young goats into schools etc etc. > > > > > > I am just pointing out that decades of attempts by government to create jobs oop north have had very, very mixed success to put it at its kindest. > > > > There are plenty of jobs up North. We are close to full employment. > > I thought that the qualification was "good" jobs. As a rough rule of thumb a "good" job should pay maybe 2x the national average. As in Scotland there is not nearly enough of these outside the public sector.
Indeed. There are very few within the Public sector either. Therefore our brightest and best feel the need to head down south to live in rented squalor just to advance their careers. Tackling that requires long-term thinking. Not merely bunging a few more houses up in the southeast. Infrastructure would be the obvious place to start. We are still waiting for a motorway, even, in places, a dual carriageway, between Newcastle and Edinburgh for example.
I'm puzzled as to know at what point publicly endorsing a rival party standing candidates against the party of which you are a member stopped being a matter for expulsion.
For elected Conservative councillors in Wakefield to publicly endorse TBP would be fine if there were no Conservatives standing but I'm pretty sure there are.
I will be astonished if the LDs do finish second in the EU poll but it's conceivable.
Interesting to reflect that if turnout repeated the last time Euros were held without locals on the same day, then the forecast Brexit Party victory could amount to just 7% of the electorate.
> @stodge said: > Evening all > > I'm puzzled as to know at what point publicly endorsing a rival party standing candidates against the party of which you are a member stopped being a matter for expulsion. ------------- When they became weak and terrified of their own memberships.
Who are the 4% who want Cameron? As the originator of the current shit-show, he has amply demonstrated he shouldn't be allowed to negotiate his children's bedtimes.....
> @ydoethur said: > Actually many on the left would cheer it. > Because anyone to the left of Corbyn is seen as a Nazi or far right, and it is apparently o.k to punch (or hurt) a Nazi. > > Do you mean to the right of Corbyn? > > Not that I'm disputing that you get Fascists on the left!
> @Stark_Dawning said: > No Deal must now be nailed on. If Nigel triumphs as seems inevitable not a Tory in the land will advocate negotiating with Brussels.
There are some Tories who refuse to support a no deal . And Hammond is about to cause another Tory Brexiter meltdown if his pre released comments to the CBI tomorrow are anything to go by .
He’ll be out of a job when May goes and has little to lose now . Any PM advocating no deal as a policy will overnight have no working majority .
> It was a rare bit of luck that his gifts were recognised by his father. > > Or was it his uncle who popped round to discuss Socialism with his dad who spotted his talent? > > Nepotism i snow joke.
> @MarqueeMark said: > > @kle4 said: > > > @HYUFD said: > > > https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1130506078142291968?s=20 > > > > What a spectacularly useless and pointless question. Indulging us in our fantasies to boot, wishing someone else could be dealing with it. > > Who are the 4% who want Cameron? As the originator of the current shit-show, he has amply demonstrated he shouldn't be allowed to negotiate his children's bedtimes.....
Since Cameron set out to Remain but delivered a leave vote, perhaps the 4% are hoping he might repeat the trick in reverse?
> @kle4 said: > > @Stark_Dawning said: > > No Deal must now be nailed on. If Nigel triumphs as seems inevitable not a Tory in the land will advocate negotiating with Brussels. > > Sure they will, one last heave of 'they will give in because I say so' bollocks before saying no deal it is. Or from someone who is then forced out of the party.
Even Boris wants to try for a Canada style FTA and to renegotiate the backstop.
In any case if the current Commons rejects the WA and if Macron vetoes further extension MPs will be forced to choose to revoke or prepare for No Deal in October regardless of who is PM
> @MaxPB said: > Anybody still waiting to see GoT final episode at 9.00 pm? > > Given it is 8.22, everyone is still waiting to see it. > > Not if you've recorded last night's airing and already watched it
> @stodge said: > Evening all > > I'm puzzled as to know at what point publicly endorsing a rival party standing candidates against the party of which you are a member stopped being a matter for expulsion. > > For elected Conservative councillors in Wakefield to publicly endorse TBP would be fine if there were no Conservatives standing but I'm pretty sure there are. > > I will be astonished if the LDs do finish second in the EU poll but it's conceivable.
> @YBarddCwsc said: > > @Drutt said: > > > > Please tell me I haven't missed a market on that turning out to have been completely transparent nonsense. > > It fooled Layla 'the Slap' Moran -- the great hope of the pb.com LibDems.
Don't forget Jolyon Maugham's investigation into Snow's letter opening skills.
Anybody still waiting to see GoT final episode at 9.00 pm?
Given it is 8.22, everyone is still waiting to see it.
Not if you've recorded last night's airing and already watched it
The plot was leaked some time ago, some of it is already on YouTube, the synopsis is on Wikipedia and Chris Stuckmann has already got his reaction YouTube up...
> @IanB2 said: > > @MarqueeMark said: > > > @kle4 said: > > > > @HYUFD said: > > > > https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1130506078142291968?s=20 > > > > > > What a spectacularly useless and pointless question. Indulging us in our fantasies to boot, wishing someone else could be dealing with it. > > > > Who are the 4% who want Cameron? As the originator of the current shit-show, he has amply demonstrated he shouldn't be allowed to negotiate his children's bedtimes..... > > Since Cameron set out to Remain but delivered a leave vote, perhaps the 4% are hoping he might repeat the trick in reverse?
> @ydoethur said: > > @ydoethur said: > > > > > It was a rare bit of luck that his gifts were recognised by his father. > > > > > > Or was it his uncle who popped round to discuss Socialism with his dad who spotted his talent? > > > > > > Nepotism i snow joke. > > > > It is quite a Dan-ger. > > Hopefully the puns will now peter out.
Anybody still waiting to see GoT final episode at 9.00 pm?
Given it is 8.22, everyone is still waiting to see it.
Not TSE, who saw it early this morning in a vain attempt to treat his insomnia.
Still, look at the bright side. All those who wondered how they were going to resolve seven years' of plot in six episodes now have their answer. "Badly".
Quite right remainers must stay and vote tory.... only pure brexiteers can vote for another brexit party as that's absolutely fine.
Bull-dog Bridgen speaks for the nation .... though I think he was referring to Hezza not himself but hard to tell.
"Speaking to Emma Barnett on BBC Radio 5 live, Andrew Bridgen suggested "there really is no place for someone with his views in the Conservative Party".
"I find Lord Heseltine's arrogance that he knows better than the majority of the electorate really quite breathtaking."
However Conservative former minister Sir Nicholas Soames told Channel 4 News withdrawing the whip from Lord Heseltine was "a really stupid, bovine thing to do".
> @MaxPB said: > Anybody still waiting to see GoT final episode at 9.00 pm? > > Given it is 8.22, everyone is still waiting to see it. > > Not if you've recorded last night's airing and already watched it
Just watched it ^_^ - there's a great moment for all pbers in there, you'll know it when you see it
According to the latest Welsh poll downthread, the three Remain parties are on 30% and BXP on 23% in Wales. It doesn’t give a figure for UKIP but it won’t be 7%.
> @Pulpstar said: > > @MaxPB said: > > Anybody still waiting to see GoT final episode at 9.00 pm? > > > > Given it is 8.22, everyone is still waiting to see it. > > > > Not if you've recorded last night's airing and already watched it > > Just watched it ^_^ - there's a great moment for all pbers in there, you'll know it when you see it
It's going according to plan for Farage, isn't it? He's got lefities assaulting him, Tory Remainers are terrified of him, most of twatter on his back and now Gordon Fucking Brown has weighed in! Farage doesn't have to do anything to bolster his support and get the BP vote out. His enemies are doing it for him.
> @ydoethur said: > Just watched it ^_^ - there's a great moment for all pbers in there, you'll know it when you see it > > They couldn't. > > They wouldn't. > > Surely not... > > ...decide to eat a pineapple pizza via AV?
It’s clearly so bad that the petition to have the entire last series re-written has passed a million signatures.
> @IanB2 said: > > According to the latest Welsh poll downthread, the three Remain parties are on 30% and BXP on 23% in Wales. It doesn’t give a figure for UKIP but it won’t be 7%.
Careful ... I voted for a "Remain" party.
And I voted Leave in the Referendum. It is not as easy as that.
> They’re basically paying to advertise Nigel Farage and the Brexit Party for him.
>
> Maybe they should describe themselves as #donkeysledbydonkeys
Mirror imaging of the highest order. Those making the poster think that the message is so obviously awful that it could only hurt Farage. While I personally do not agree with the message, I can imagine many TBP supporters do. Hardly likely to sway a vote either way.
And I daresay the Burkah wearer passing by thinks it is a thoroughly laudable sentiment.
> @viewcode said: > Anybody still waiting to see GoT final episode at 9.00 pm? > > Given it is 8.22, everyone is still waiting to see it. > > Not TSE, who saw it early this morning in a vain attempt to treat his insomnia. > > > > Still, look at the bright side. All those who wondered how they were going to resolve seven years' of plot in six episodes now have their answer. "Badly".
No spoilers, but I am very very unhappy with this Season, and the way that it ended.
> @IanB2 said: > > @ydoethur said: > > Just watched it ^_^ - there's a great moment for all pbers in there, you'll know it when you see it > > > > They couldn't. > > > > They wouldn't. > > > > Surely not... > > > > ...decide to eat a pineapple pizza via AV? > > It’s clearly so bad that the petition to have the entire last series re-written has passed a million signatures.
Can we do that for politics? Say back to early 2015?
> @viewcode said: > Anybody still waiting to see GoT final episode at 9.00 pm? > > Given it is 8.22, everyone is still waiting to see it. > > Not TSE, who saw it early this morning in a vain attempt to treat his insomnia. > > > > Still, look at the bright side. All those who wondered how they were going to resolve seven years' of plot in six episodes now have their answer. "Badly".
Episode 6 was much less bad than I expected from the badness of episodes 1-5, and tidying it all up was never going to be easy. But the writers should be put to death together with their wives children and household pets for the fact that a couple of episodes back Euron Greyjoy (i think it was) gave the order to discharge a crossbow by saying "Fire" - in a society without firearms.
> I’m sure the Welsh who are flocking to Farage will also be bringing out the bunting and street parties when Airbus and other big companies up sticks and leave because of a no deal Brexit which their new hero supports .
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My God, what have we Welsh done !! If we leave the EU, Labour MPs in Wales will not be able to get overseas education grants from Denmark to send their kids to private education at Atlantic College. The Remainer in Chief, Steve Kinnock, might have to pay for his own kids private education. If we leave the EU, the only Waitroses in Wales will have to shut down, and the wealthy will find it hard to pick up decent bottles of Chardonnay. If we leave the EU, then the fantastic EU grants that have caused such wealth to flow into Wales will dry up. He cried out twice, a cry that was no more than a breath: “‘The horror! The horror!”
You know, that post is really quite shocking.
No, @Nigelb, not because it lacks an apostrophe where for some reason the poster obsesses about Stephen Kinnock's baby goats.
I genuinely never realised that there was a second Waitrose in Wales. I always assumed Abergavenny was the only one.
So many outrages at the moment that we really ought to develop some kind of hierarchy. Hard to know where to start, though.
> @IanB2 said: > > @DavidL said: > > > @YBarddCwsc said: > > > An interesting map -- > > > > > > http://www.kevinlaurence.net/googlemaps/waitrose.html > > > > > > Waitroses seem highly correlated with Remainia. > > > > Hence my astonishment that there are so many in Wales which very definitely isn't. > > > According to the latest Welsh poll downthread, the three Remain parties are on 30% and BXP on 23% in Wales. It doesn’t give a figure for UKIP but it won’t be 7%.
> @twistedfirestopper3 said: > It's going according to plan for Farage, isn't it? > He's got lefities assaulting him, Tory Remainers are terrified of him, most of twatter on his back and now Gordon Fucking Brown has weighed in! > Farage doesn't have to do anything to bolster his support and get the BP vote out. His enemies are doing it for him.
> > They’re basically paying to advertise Nigel Farage and the Brexit Party for him.
> >
> > Maybe they should describe themselves as #donkeysledbydonkeys
>
> Mirror imaging of the highest order. Those making the poster think that the message is so obviously awful that it could only hurt Farage. While I personally do not agree with the message, I can imagine many TBP supporters do. Hardly likely to sway a vote either way.
Well if people agree with the view expressed on the poster then they are well into the faridge message. Others will see it differently and should be given an opportunity to know about the views of those who are willing to damage our country to protect their own personal fortunes.
No they won't. Who on earth considering voting for Nigel Farage in the first place will be apalled by the fact that he supported Claridges asking someone not to fish them out in the Palm Lounge. The idea is ludicrous.
> Anybody still waiting to see GoT final episode at 9.00 pm?
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> Given it is 8.22, everyone is still waiting to see it.
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> Not TSE, who saw it early this morning in a vain attempt to treat his insomnia.
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>
>
> Still, look at the bright side. All those who wondered how they were going to resolve seven years' of plot in six episodes now have their answer. "Badly".
No spoilers, but I am very very unhappy with this Season, and the way that it ended.
> @Drutt said: > > @isam said: > > Imagine if it was blood. Or acid. This is madness and it must stop. We are British and this is not right. > > > > When the first politician gets acid thrown over them, the people cheering today because it's happening to a political opponent will feel deeply ashamed of themselves > > Prediction: no they won't. > > Evidence: here is the aftermath of a petrol bomb thrown at a SCon councillor's family home, last night. > Shame came there none: > > https://twitter.com/STVNews/status/1130507660829310976
Keep up, wouldn't want you to have a premature expostulation.
> @Luckyguy1983 said: > And I daresay the Burkah wearer passing by thinks it is a thoroughly laudable sentiment.
If you were to say that you perceive similarities between Brexit ultras and fundamentalist religious types, you wouldn't be the first. Brexit is theocracy or it is nothing.
> @Ishmael_Z said: > > @viewcode said: > > Anybody still waiting to see GoT final episode at 9.00 pm? > > > > Given it is 8.22, everyone is still waiting to see it. > > > > Not TSE, who saw it early this morning in a vain attempt to treat his insomnia. > > > > > > > > Still, look at the bright side. All those who wondered how they were going to resolve seven years' of plot in six episodes now have their answer. "Badly". > > Episode 6 was much less bad than I expected from the badness of episodes 1-5, and tidying it all up was never going to be easy. But the writers should be put to death together with their wives children and household pets for the fact that a couple of episodes back Euron Greyjoy (i think it was) gave the order to discharge a crossbow by saying "Fire" - in a society without firearms.
> Anybody still waiting to see GoT final episode at 9.00 pm?
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> Given it is 8.22, everyone is still waiting to see it.
>
> Not TSE, who saw it early this morning in a vain attempt to treat his insomnia.
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>
>
> Still, look at the bright side. All those who wondered how they were going to resolve seven years' of plot in six episodes now have their answer. "Badly".
No spoilers, but I am very very unhappy with this Season, and the way that it ended.
Indeed...
Could have been worse. Could have been a Sansaless finale.
> And I daresay the Burkah wearer passing by thinks it is a thoroughly laudable sentiment.
If you were to say that you perceive similarities between Brexit ultras and fundamentalist religious types, you wouldn't be the first. Brexit is theocracy or it is nothing.
I perceive similarities in everything. We are all human beings after all.
> @YBarddCwsc said: > > @IanB2 said: > > > > According to the latest Welsh poll downthread, the three Remain parties are on 30% and BXP on 23% in Wales. It doesn’t give a figure for UKIP but it won’t be 7%. > > Careful ... I voted for a "Remain" party. > > And I voted Leave in the Referendum. It is not as easy as that.
According to the Lib Dems both the Tories and Labour are leave parties.... except when formulating these type of percentages.
> Anybody still waiting to see GoT final episode at 9.00 pm?
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> Given it is 8.22, everyone is still waiting to see it.
>
> Not TSE, who saw it early this morning in a vain attempt to treat his insomnia.
>
>
>
> Still, look at the bright side. All those who wondered how they were going to resolve seven years' of plot in six episodes now have their answer. "Badly".
Episode 6 was much less bad than I expected from the badness of episodes 1-5, and tidying it all up was never going to be easy. But the writers should be put to death together with their wives children and household pets for the fact that a couple of episodes back Euron Greyjoy (i think it was) gave the order to discharge a crossbow by saying "Fire" - in a society without firearms.
> Anybody still waiting to see GoT final episode at 9.00 pm?
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> Given it is 8.22, everyone is still waiting to see it.
>
> Not TSE, who saw it early this morning in a vain attempt to treat his insomnia.
>
>
>
> Still, look at the bright side. All those who wondered how they were going to resolve seven years' of plot in six episodes now have their answer. "Badly".
Episode 6 was much less bad than I expected from the badness of episodes 1-5, and tidying it all up was never going to be easy. But the writers should be put to death together with their wives children and household pets for the fact that a couple of episodes back Euron Greyjoy (i think it was) gave the order to discharge a crossbow by saying "Fire" - in a society without firearms.
> Anybody still waiting to see GoT final episode at 9.00 pm?
>
> Given it is 8.22, everyone is still waiting to see it.
>
> Not TSE, who saw it early this morning in a vain attempt to treat his insomnia.
>
>
>
> Still, look at the bright side. All those who wondered how they were going to resolve seven years' of plot in six episodes now have their answer. "Badly".
Episode 6 was much less bad than I expected from the badness of episodes 1-5, and tidying it all up was never going to be easy. But the writers should be put to death together with their wives children and household pets for the fact that a couple of episodes back Euron Greyjoy (i think it was) gave the order to discharge a crossbow by saying "Fire" - in a society without firearms.
They should be shafted for such loose writing.
Bet they’re quivering beneath such a denunciation.
> Anybody still waiting to see GoT final episode at 9.00 pm?
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> Given it is 8.22, everyone is still waiting to see it.
>
> Not TSE, who saw it early this morning in a vain attempt to treat his insomnia.
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>
>
> Still, look at the bright side. All those who wondered how they were going to resolve seven years' of plot in six episodes now have their answer. "Badly".
Episode 6 was much less bad than I expected from the badness of episodes 1-5, and tidying it all up was never going to be easy. But the writers should be put to death together with their wives children and household pets for the fact that a couple of episodes back Euron Greyjoy (i think it was) gave the order to discharge a crossbow by saying "Fire" - in a society without firearms.
They should be shafted for such loose writing.
Bet they’re quivering beneath such a denunciation.
I don't think I can fletch up another pun. So I will retire having shot my last bolt.
> Anybody still waiting to see GoT final episode at 9.00 pm?
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> Given it is 8.22, everyone is still waiting to see it.
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> Not TSE, who saw it early this morning in a vain attempt to treat his insomnia.
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>
>
> Still, look at the bright side. All those who wondered how they were going to resolve seven years' of plot in six episodes now have their answer. "Badly".
No spoilers, but I am very very unhappy with this Season, and the way that it ended.
I'm always astonished so many are so keen on this tripe. I stopped watching it when that woman laid a dragon.
> @Sean_F said: > > @viewcode said: > > Anybody still waiting to see GoT final episode at 9.00 pm? > > > > Given it is 8.22, everyone is still waiting to see it. > > > > Not TSE, who saw it early this morning in a vain attempt to treat his insomnia. > > > > > > > > Still, look at the bright side. All those who wondered how they were going to resolve seven years' of plot in six episodes now have their answer. "Badly". > > No spoilers, but I am very very unhappy with this Season, and the way that it ended.
I think it had it's problems as a season, I've not liked a lot of it, but I very much liked the way it ended personally. Not everything about how it did it, but the general tone of it, the broad strokes, I felt were very much in keeping with the series and well done.
> @Sunil_Prasannan said: > Not even The Last Straw Jedi suffered such an ignominy > > Out of curiosity, what changed your view on the Last Jedi? > > And how can we get TSE to take some? > > Oh, various reviews on YouTube, but they do raise some good points.
Eh, I've seen plenty of reviews. Turns out it has flaws, so what? A lot better than Force Awakens, and so I shall say until the end. Looks like it will have more original things going on than Rise of Skywalker.
ERG sources say they will field a candidate of their own if Boris and Raab vote for the Withdrawal Agreement again next month.
30 or 40 of its most hardcore members would then likely back Steve Baker to succeed May as Tory leader with Theresa Villiers and Owen Paterson also contenders
> @Scrapheap_as_was said: > > @HYUFD said: > > https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1130540936012943360?s=20 > > Quite right remainers must stay and vote tory.... only pure brexiteers can vote for another brexit party as that's absolutely fine. > > Bull-dog Bridgen speaks for the nation .... though I think he was referring to Hezza not himself but hard to tell. > > "Speaking to Emma Barnett on BBC Radio 5 live, Andrew Bridgen suggested "there really is no place for someone with his views in the Conservative Party". > > "I find Lord Heseltine's arrogance that he knows better than the majority of the electorate really quite breathtaking." > > However Conservative former minister Sir Nicholas Soames told Channel 4 News withdrawing the whip from Lord Heseltine was "a really stupid, bovine thing to do". > > I'm with Sir Nick. >
To be fair he is probably very well acquainted with bovine waste products.
Question. This week's euros are a disaster for the Conservatives. Brexit Party triumphant. May goes at last. New Tory leader elected to deliver Brexit and move on from the awful mess.
> @Scrapheap_as_was said: > > @HYUFD said: > > https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1130540936012943360?s=20 > > Quite right remainers must stay and vote tory.... only pure brexiteers can vote for another brexit party as that's absolutely fine. > > Bull-dog Bridgen speaks for the nation .... though I think he was referring to Hezza not himself but hard to tell. > > "Speaking to Emma Barnett on BBC Radio 5 live, Andrew Bridgen suggested "there really is no place for someone with his views in the Conservative Party". > > "I find Lord Heseltine's arrogance that he knows better than the majority of the electorate really quite breathtaking." > > However Conservative former minister Sir Nicholas Soames told Channel 4 News withdrawing the whip from Lord Heseltine was "a really stupid, bovine thing to do". > > I'm with Sir Nick. >
Ann Widdecombe has been expelled from the Conservative Party after standing as a Brexit Party candidate so it works both ways.
> @TheScreamingEagles said: > Farage has spent years telling people they are getting screwed over by the establishment and now the people who voted Brexit feel as though they've been screwed over by the establishment. > > > > It's been a consistently crude, uncomplicated and effective message from a bloke who's never going to be in a position of power, and he's in a hell of a halcyon period with it right now. > > Power without responsibility: the prerogative of the harlot. > > snip > > A seriously weird dictum, I have always thought. Given that phrase with the word "harlot" left out, most people would not have it in their top thousand guesses to fill in the blank. What power is the average prostitute though to wield, over whom? > > > > It was used to describe the press. > > I think the sorts of harlots being referred to are not your average street prostitutes but grander ones holding sway over powerful men. > > I thought that was courtesans?
> @kle4 said: > > @Sean_F said: > > > @viewcode said: > > > Anybody still waiting to see GoT final episode at 9.00 pm? > > > > > > Given it is 8.22, everyone is still waiting to see it. > > > > > > Not TSE, who saw it early this morning in a vain attempt to treat his insomnia. > > > > > > > > > > > > Still, look at the bright side. All those who wondered how they were going to resolve seven years' of plot in six episodes now have their answer. "Badly". > > > > No spoilers, but I am very very unhappy with this Season, and the way that it ended. > > I think it had it's problems as a season, I've not liked a lot of it, but I very much liked the way it ended personally. Not everything about how it did it, but the general tone of it, the broad strokes, I felt were very much in keeping with the series and well done.
Agree. Some redemption, when most of season 8 seems to have been written by 13 year olds for 13 year olds.
> @kle4 said: > > @Sean_F said: > > > @viewcode said: > > > Anybody still waiting to see GoT final episode at 9.00 pm? > > > > > > Given it is 8.22, everyone is still waiting to see it. > > > > > > Not TSE, who saw it early this morning in a vain attempt to treat his insomnia. > > > > > > > > > > > > Still, look at the bright side. All those who wondered how they were going to resolve seven years' of plot in six episodes now have their answer. "Badly". > > > > No spoilers, but I am very very unhappy with this Season, and the way that it ended. > > I think it had it's problems as a season, I've not liked a lot of it, but I very much liked the way it ended personally. Not everything about how it did it, but the general tone of it, the broad strokes, I felt were very much in keeping with the series and well done.
IMHO, despite some stunning action sequences, and outstanding acting, the overall plot and character arcs were appalling. "It came out of fucking nowhere" is how one of the leading actresses described her character arc.
> Anybody still waiting to see GoT final episode at 9.00 pm?
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> Given it is 8.22, everyone is still waiting to see it.
>
> Not TSE, who saw it early this morning in a vain attempt to treat his insomnia.
>
>
>
> Still, look at the bright side. All those who wondered how they were going to resolve seven years' of plot in six episodes now have their answer. "Badly".
No spoilers, but I am very very unhappy with this Season, and the way that it ended.
I'm always astonished so many are so keen on this tripe. I stopped watching it when that woman laid a dragon.
Nice to find something I wholeheartedly agree with you on @Luckyguy1983
I tried watching one episode and quickly realised why our neighbours thought the unsung words to the theme tune were "Death and bonking, death and bonking..." etc. ad nauseam.
> @FF43 said: > Question. This week's euros are a disaster for the Conservatives. Brexit Party triumphant. May goes at last. New Tory leader elected to deliver Brexit and move on from the awful mess. > > Will they deliver Brexit? And how?
The vote on Thursday is likely to be so bad for both the Tories and Labour that a further extension will not be viable for either, irrespective of the grumbles of the 150 or so largely southern MPs who occupy remain constituencies. The level of in-fighting will ratchet up even further in both parties.
The vote is likely, outside of inner London, a few metropolitan areas and Scotland, to resoundingly indicate that both will get punished in a general election. Who is going to give them a second chance with Brexit any time soon?
A referendum isn't viable for either (there aren't enough non-SNP remain constituencies for it to work for Labour), and the outcome would be far too close to call anyway.
An election is no longer viable for either on present polling.
So, what's to stop it? The only way out of this for both of them, and the only way to restore their duopoly, is to enable Brexit in 2019 and change the conversation as soon as possible.
Comments
> No Deal must now be nailed on. If Nigel triumphs as seems inevitable not a Tory in the land will advocate negotiating with Brussels.
Sure they will, one last heave of 'they will give in because I say so' bollocks before saying no deal it is. Or from someone who is then forced out of the party.
> > @brokenwheel said:
> > Did we catch this? Seems Dan Snow is now not so sure about his wild conspiracy theory. Until next time, folks;
> >
> > https://twitter.com/BBCPeterH/status/1130522604605988864
>
> Awfully quick to fly into theorising, wasn't he?
Please tell me I haven't missed a market on that turning out to have been completely transparent nonsense.
> > @dixiedean said:
> > > @DavidL said:
> > > > @dixiedean said:
> > > > > @DavidL said:
> > > > > > @dixiedean said:
> > > > > > > @williamglenn said:
> > > > > > > Does Liz Truss think there’s no life outside London?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://twitter.com/asabenn/status/1130538095928139776?s=21
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Interesting insight into priorities from James Cleverly "We need houses in the South where there are good quality jobs."
> > > > > > Not we need good quality jobs elsewhere, where there is affordable housing.
> > > > > > Duly noted.
> > > > >
> > > > > It's a lot easier to build a house than a viable business.
> > > >
> > > > After the shafting the Tories got at the locals from nimby Home Counties LDs and Independents? A million new homes in the South East? Good luck.
> > > > The government is a huge procurer of business contracts as you well know.
> > > > And even were that the case a 2 pronged approach may possibly have merits.
> > >
> > > I am not suggesting that the policy makes any sense. I am not sure from my trips down where you would fit another million homes into the south east or the 2 million cars that would probably generate on the roads or the 2 million young goats into schools etc etc.
> > >
> > > I am just pointing out that decades of attempts by government to create jobs oop north have had very, very mixed success to put it at its kindest.
> >
> > There are plenty of jobs up North. We are close to full employment.
>
> I thought that the qualification was "good" jobs. As a rough rule of thumb a "good" job should pay maybe 2x the national average. As in Scotland there is not nearly enough of these outside the public sector.
Indeed. There are very few within the Public sector either. Therefore our brightest and best feel the need to head down south to live in rented squalor just to advance their careers.
Tackling that requires long-term thinking. Not merely bunging a few more houses up in the southeast.
Infrastructure would be the obvious place to start. We are still waiting for a motorway, even, in places, a dual carriageway, between Newcastle and Edinburgh for example.
I'm puzzled as to know at what point publicly endorsing a rival party standing candidates against the party of which you are a member stopped being a matter for expulsion.
For elected Conservative councillors in Wakefield to publicly endorse TBP would be fine if there were no Conservatives standing but I'm pretty sure there are.
I will be astonished if the LDs do finish second in the EU poll but it's conceivable.
>
> Please tell me I haven't missed a market on that turning out to have been completely transparent nonsense.
It fooled Layla 'the Slap' Moran -- the great hope of the pb.com LibDems.
And the Lib Dems might achive as much as 5%!
> So if the LDs do surge a bit beyond their polling and break 20% it would be a new record?
They got 23% in the 2010 General Election.
> Evening all
>
> I'm puzzled as to know at what point publicly endorsing a rival party standing candidates against the party of which you are a member stopped being a matter for expulsion.
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When they became weak and terrified of their own memberships.
> > @HYUFD said:
> > https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1130506078142291968?s=20
>
> What a spectacularly useless and pointless question. Indulging us in our fantasies to boot, wishing someone else could be dealing with it.
Who are the 4% who want Cameron? As the originator of the current shit-show, he has amply demonstrated he shouldn't be allowed to negotiate his children's bedtimes.....
> Actually many on the left would cheer it.
> Because anyone to the left of Corbyn is seen as a Nazi or far right, and it is apparently o.k to punch (or hurt) a Nazi.
>
> Do you mean to the right of Corbyn?
>
> Not that I'm disputing that you get Fascists on the left!
Oh sorry yes, I meant right.
> No Deal must now be nailed on. If Nigel triumphs as seems inevitable not a Tory in the land will advocate negotiating with Brussels.
There are some Tories who refuse to support a no deal . And Hammond is about to cause another Tory Brexiter meltdown if his pre released comments to the CBI tomorrow are anything to go by .
He’ll be out of a job when May goes and has little to lose now . Any PM advocating no deal as a policy will overnight have no working majority .
> It was a rare bit of luck that his gifts were recognised by his father.
>
> Or was it his uncle who popped round to discuss Socialism with his dad who spotted his talent?
>
> Nepotism i snow joke.
It is quite a Dan-ger.
> > @kle4 said:
> > > @HYUFD said:
> > > https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1130506078142291968?s=20
> >
> > What a spectacularly useless and pointless question. Indulging us in our fantasies to boot, wishing someone else could be dealing with it.
>
> Who are the 4% who want Cameron? As the originator of the current shit-show, he has amply demonstrated he shouldn't be allowed to negotiate his children's bedtimes.....
Since Cameron set out to Remain but delivered a leave vote, perhaps the 4% are hoping he might repeat the trick in reverse?
> > @Stark_Dawning said:
> > No Deal must now be nailed on. If Nigel triumphs as seems inevitable not a Tory in the land will advocate negotiating with Brussels.
>
> Sure they will, one last heave of 'they will give in because I say so' bollocks before saying no deal it is. Or from someone who is then forced out of the party.
Even Boris wants to try for a Canada style FTA and to renegotiate the backstop.
In any case if the current Commons rejects the WA and if Macron vetoes further extension MPs will be forced to choose to revoke or prepare for No Deal in October regardless of who is PM
> Anybody still waiting to see GoT final episode at 9.00 pm?
>
> Given it is 8.22, everyone is still waiting to see it.
>
> Not if you've recorded last night's airing and already watched it
Damn straight.
> Evening all
>
> I'm puzzled as to know at what point publicly endorsing a rival party standing candidates against the party of which you are a member stopped being a matter for expulsion.
>
> For elected Conservative councillors in Wakefield to publicly endorse TBP would be fine if there were no Conservatives standing but I'm pretty sure there are.
>
> I will be astonished if the LDs do finish second in the EU poll but it's conceivable.
Conceivable things shouldn’t be that astonishing?
> > @Drutt said:
> >
> > Please tell me I haven't missed a market on that turning out to have been completely transparent nonsense.
>
> It fooled Layla 'the Slap' Moran -- the great hope of the pb.com LibDems.
Don't forget Jolyon Maugham's investigation into Snow's letter opening skills.
> > @MarqueeMark said:
> > > @kle4 said:
> > > > @HYUFD said:
> > > > https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1130506078142291968?s=20
> > >
> > > What a spectacularly useless and pointless question. Indulging us in our fantasies to boot, wishing someone else could be dealing with it.
> >
> > Who are the 4% who want Cameron? As the originator of the current shit-show, he has amply demonstrated he shouldn't be allowed to negotiate his children's bedtimes.....
>
> Since Cameron set out to Remain but delivered a leave vote, perhaps the 4% are hoping he might repeat the trick in reverse?
Gordon Brown>???.. some people are insane.
> > @ydoethur said:
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> > It was a rare bit of luck that his gifts were recognised by his father.
>
> >
>
> > Or was it his uncle who popped round to discuss Socialism with his dad who spotted his talent?
>
> >
>
> > Nepotism i snow joke.
>
>
>
> It is quite a Dan-ger.
>
> Hopefully the puns will now peter out.
Or melt away.
> https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1130540936012943360?s=20
Quite right remainers must stay and vote tory.... only pure brexiteers can vote for another brexit party as that's absolutely fine.
Bull-dog Bridgen speaks for the nation .... though I think he was referring to Hezza not himself but hard to tell.
"Speaking to Emma Barnett on BBC Radio 5 live, Andrew Bridgen suggested "there really is no place for someone with his views in the Conservative Party".
"I find Lord Heseltine's arrogance that he knows better than the majority of the electorate really quite breathtaking."
However Conservative former minister Sir Nicholas Soames told Channel 4 News withdrawing the whip from Lord Heseltine was "a really stupid, bovine thing to do".
I'm with Sir Nick.
> Anybody still waiting to see GoT final episode at 9.00 pm?
>
> Given it is 8.22, everyone is still waiting to see it.
>
> Not if you've recorded last night's airing and already watched it
Just watched it ^_^ - there's a great moment for all pbers in there, you'll know it when you see it
They wouldn't.
Surely not...
...decide to eat a pineapple pizza via AV?
> > @YBarddCwsc said:
> > An interesting map --
> >
> > http://www.kevinlaurence.net/googlemaps/waitrose.html
> >
> > Waitroses seem highly correlated with Remainia.
>
> Hence my astonishment that there are so many in Wales which very definitely isn't.
According to the latest Welsh poll downthread, the three Remain parties are on 30% and BXP on 23% in Wales. It doesn’t give a figure for UKIP but it won’t be 7%.
> > @MaxPB said:
> > Anybody still waiting to see GoT final episode at 9.00 pm?
> >
> > Given it is 8.22, everyone is still waiting to see it.
> >
> > Not if you've recorded last night's airing and already watched it
>
> Just watched it ^_^ - there's a great moment for all pbers in there, you'll know it when you see it
https://twitter.com/mooseallain/status/1130354383147982848?s=21
He's got lefities assaulting him, Tory Remainers are terrified of him, most of twatter on his back and now Gordon Fucking Brown has weighed in!
Farage doesn't have to do anything to bolster his support and get the BP vote out. His enemies are doing it for him.
All the men get killed.
All the dragons get hot and bothered by it all.
> Just watched it ^_^ - there's a great moment for all pbers in there, you'll know it when you see it
>
> They couldn't.
>
> They wouldn't.
>
> Surely not...
>
> ...decide to eat a pineapple pizza via AV?
It’s clearly so bad that the petition to have the entire last series re-written has passed a million signatures.
At least my ending would be strikingly original.
>
> As Billy Joel once sang, "Dan Snow, Peter Snow, Jon Snow, I don't know, it's still rock and roll to me... "
As Tom Lehrer once sang, "There's Hey Jon, and Helium and Hafnium and Erbium" ...
>
> According to the latest Welsh poll downthread, the three Remain parties are on 30% and BXP on 23% in Wales. It doesn’t give a figure for UKIP but it won’t be 7%.
Careful ... I voted for a "Remain" party.
And I voted Leave in the Referendum. It is not as easy as that.
https://twitter.com/Taniel/status/1130545833596923905?s=19
A curious comment. If nobody thought they knew better than the electorate, we'd never have such a thing as opposition parties.
> Anybody still waiting to see GoT final episode at 9.00 pm?
>
> Given it is 8.22, everyone is still waiting to see it.
>
> Not TSE, who saw it early this morning in a vain attempt to treat his insomnia.
>
>
>
> Still, look at the bright side. All those who wondered how they were going to resolve seven years' of plot in six episodes now have their answer. "Badly".
No spoilers, but I am very very unhappy with this Season, and the way that it ended.
> > @ydoethur said:
> > Just watched it ^_^ - there's a great moment for all pbers in there, you'll know it when you see it
> >
> > They couldn't.
> >
> > They wouldn't.
> >
> > Surely not...
> >
> > ...decide to eat a pineapple pizza via AV?
>
> It’s clearly so bad that the petition to have the entire last series re-written has passed a million signatures.
Can we do that for politics? Say back to early 2015?
> Anybody still waiting to see GoT final episode at 9.00 pm?
>
> Given it is 8.22, everyone is still waiting to see it.
>
> Not TSE, who saw it early this morning in a vain attempt to treat his insomnia.
>
>
>
> Still, look at the bright side. All those who wondered how they were going to resolve seven years' of plot in six episodes now have their answer. "Badly".
Episode 6 was much less bad than I expected from the badness of episodes 1-5, and tidying it all up was never going to be easy. But the writers should be put to death together with their wives children and household pets for the fact that a couple of episodes back Euron Greyjoy (i think it was) gave the order to discharge a crossbow by saying "Fire" - in a society without firearms.
> yes can't believe they used the "all a dream" ploy
>
Hard to know where to start, though.
> > @DavidL said:
> > > @YBarddCwsc said:
> > > An interesting map --
> > >
> > > http://www.kevinlaurence.net/googlemaps/waitrose.html
> > >
> > > Waitroses seem highly correlated with Remainia.
> >
> > Hence my astonishment that there are so many in Wales which very definitely isn't.
>
>
> According to the latest Welsh poll downthread, the three Remain parties are on 30% and BXP on 23% in Wales. It doesn’t give a figure for UKIP but it won’t be 7%.
Not sure about your figures
The poll gives(
TBP 36% Plaid 19% Labour 15% Lib Dems 10% Greens 8% Conservatives 7% UKIP 2%
Leave = 38% ex conservatives
Remain 37% ex labour
> It's going according to plan for Farage, isn't it?
> He's got lefities assaulting him, Tory Remainers are terrified of him, most of twatter on his back and now Gordon Fucking Brown has weighed in!
> Farage doesn't have to do anything to bolster his support and get the BP vote out. His enemies are doing it for him.
Exactly
> > @isam said:
> > Imagine if it was blood. Or acid. This is madness and it must stop. We are British and this is not right.
> >
> > When the first politician gets acid thrown over them, the people cheering today because it's happening to a political opponent will feel deeply ashamed of themselves
>
> Prediction: no they won't.
>
> Evidence: here is the aftermath of a petrol bomb thrown at a SCon councillor's family home, last night.
> Shame came there none:
>
> https://twitter.com/STVNews/status/1130507660829310976
Keep up, wouldn't want you to have a premature expostulation.
https://twitter.com/andrewpicken1/status/1130501161172254720
> And I daresay the Burkah wearer passing by thinks it is a thoroughly laudable sentiment.
If you were to say that you perceive similarities between Brexit ultras and fundamentalist religious types, you wouldn't be the first. Brexit is theocracy or it is nothing.
StrawJedi suffered such an ignominy> > @viewcode said:
> > Anybody still waiting to see GoT final episode at 9.00 pm?
> >
> > Given it is 8.22, everyone is still waiting to see it.
> >
> > Not TSE, who saw it early this morning in a vain attempt to treat his insomnia.
> >
> >
> >
> > Still, look at the bright side. All those who wondered how they were going to resolve seven years' of plot in six episodes now have their answer. "Badly".
>
> Episode 6 was much less bad than I expected from the badness of episodes 1-5, and tidying it all up was never going to be easy. But the writers should be put to death together with their wives children and household pets for the fact that a couple of episodes back Euron Greyjoy (i think it was) gave the order to discharge a crossbow by saying "Fire" - in a society without firearms.
Surely you tell a dragon to 'fire' though?
> > @IanB2 said:
> >
> > According to the latest Welsh poll downthread, the three Remain parties are on 30% and BXP on 23% in Wales. It doesn’t give a figure for UKIP but it won’t be 7%.
>
> Careful ... I voted for a "Remain" party.
>
> And I voted Leave in the Referendum. It is not as easy as that.
According to the Lib Dems both the Tories and Labour are leave parties.... except when formulating these type of percentages.
And how can we get TSE to take some?
Good night.
> https://twitter.com/supermathskid/status/1130527641654747137
'My milkshake doesn't bring Nigel Farage ...' after all.
https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/tony-blair-toppling-may-now-will-be-a-disaster-we-need-a-calm-brexit-decision-a4146511.html
> > @viewcode said:
> > Anybody still waiting to see GoT final episode at 9.00 pm?
> >
> > Given it is 8.22, everyone is still waiting to see it.
> >
> > Not TSE, who saw it early this morning in a vain attempt to treat his insomnia.
> >
> >
> >
> > Still, look at the bright side. All those who wondered how they were going to resolve seven years' of plot in six episodes now have their answer. "Badly".
>
> No spoilers, but I am very very unhappy with this Season, and the way that it ended.
I think it had it's problems as a season, I've not liked a lot of it, but I very much liked the way it ended personally. Not everything about how it did it, but the general tone of it, the broad strokes, I felt were very much in keeping with the series and well done.
> Not even The Last Straw Jedi suffered such an ignominy
>
> Out of curiosity, what changed your view on the Last Jedi?
>
> And how can we get TSE to take some?
>
> Oh, various reviews on YouTube, but they do raise some good points.
Eh, I've seen plenty of reviews. Turns out it has flaws, so what? A lot better than Force Awakens, and so I shall say until the end. Looks like it will have more original things going on than Rise of Skywalker.
30 or 40 of its most hardcore members would then likely back Steve Baker to succeed May as Tory leader with Theresa Villiers and Owen Paterson also contenders
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/londoners-diary/the-londoner-olympian-struggle-for-the-brexit-party-a4146636.html
> > @HYUFD said:
> > https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1130540936012943360?s=20
>
> Quite right remainers must stay and vote tory.... only pure brexiteers can vote for another brexit party as that's absolutely fine.
>
> Bull-dog Bridgen speaks for the nation .... though I think he was referring to Hezza not himself but hard to tell.
>
> "Speaking to Emma Barnett on BBC Radio 5 live, Andrew Bridgen suggested "there really is no place for someone with his views in the Conservative Party".
>
> "I find Lord Heseltine's arrogance that he knows better than the majority of the electorate really quite breathtaking."
>
> However Conservative former minister Sir Nicholas Soames told Channel 4 News withdrawing the whip from Lord Heseltine was "a really stupid, bovine thing to do".
>
> I'm with Sir Nick.
>
To be fair he is probably very well acquainted with bovine waste products.
Will they deliver Brexit? And how?
> Tony Blair 'Toppling May now will be a disaster:We need a calm Brexit decision'
>
> https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/tony-blair-toppling-may-now-will-be-a-disaster-we-need-a-calm-brexit-decision-a4146511.html
At some point in the last 24 hours George Osborne has had to call Tony Blair and beg him to write an op-ed about how Theresa May is their last hope.
> > @HYUFD said:
> > https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1130540936012943360?s=20
>
> Quite right remainers must stay and vote tory.... only pure brexiteers can vote for another brexit party as that's absolutely fine.
>
> Bull-dog Bridgen speaks for the nation .... though I think he was referring to Hezza not himself but hard to tell.
>
> "Speaking to Emma Barnett on BBC Radio 5 live, Andrew Bridgen suggested "there really is no place for someone with his views in the Conservative Party".
>
> "I find Lord Heseltine's arrogance that he knows better than the majority of the electorate really quite breathtaking."
>
> However Conservative former minister Sir Nicholas Soames told Channel 4 News withdrawing the whip from Lord Heseltine was "a really stupid, bovine thing to do".
>
> I'm with Sir Nick.
>
Ann Widdecombe has been expelled from the Conservative Party after standing as a Brexit Party candidate so it works both ways.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1118490/Brexit-news-UK-Brexit-Party-Ann-Widdecombe-Conservative-Party-Farage-European-elections
> Farage has spent years telling people they are getting screwed over by the establishment and now the people who voted Brexit feel as though they've been screwed over by the establishment.
>
>
>
> It's been a consistently crude, uncomplicated and effective message from a bloke who's never going to be in a position of power, and he's in a hell of a halcyon period with it right now.
>
> Power without responsibility: the prerogative of the harlot.
>
> snip
>
> A seriously weird dictum, I have always thought. Given that phrase with the word "harlot" left out, most people would not have it in their top thousand guesses to fill in the blank. What power is the average prostitute though to wield, over whom?
>
>
>
> It was used to describe the press.
>
> I think the sorts of harlots being referred to are not your average street prostitutes but grander ones holding sway over powerful men.
>
> I thought that was courtesans?
Courtesans are just posh prostitutes.
> > @Sean_F said:
> > > @viewcode said:
> > > Anybody still waiting to see GoT final episode at 9.00 pm?
> > >
> > > Given it is 8.22, everyone is still waiting to see it.
> > >
> > > Not TSE, who saw it early this morning in a vain attempt to treat his insomnia.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Still, look at the bright side. All those who wondered how they were going to resolve seven years' of plot in six episodes now have their answer. "Badly".
> >
> > No spoilers, but I am very very unhappy with this Season, and the way that it ended.
>
> I think it had it's problems as a season, I've not liked a lot of it, but I very much liked the way it ended personally. Not everything about how it did it, but the general tone of it, the broad strokes, I felt were very much in keeping with the series and well done.
Agree. Some redemption, when most of season 8 seems to have been written by 13 year olds for 13 year olds.
> > @Sean_F said:
> > > @viewcode said:
> > > Anybody still waiting to see GoT final episode at 9.00 pm?
> > >
> > > Given it is 8.22, everyone is still waiting to see it.
> > >
> > > Not TSE, who saw it early this morning in a vain attempt to treat his insomnia.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Still, look at the bright side. All those who wondered how they were going to resolve seven years' of plot in six episodes now have their answer. "Badly".
> >
> > No spoilers, but I am very very unhappy with this Season, and the way that it ended.
>
> I think it had it's problems as a season, I've not liked a lot of it, but I very much liked the way it ended personally. Not everything about how it did it, but the general tone of it, the broad strokes, I felt were very much in keeping with the series and well done.
IMHO, despite some stunning action sequences, and outstanding acting, the overall plot and character arcs were appalling. "It came out of fucking nowhere" is how one of the leading actresses described her character arc.
I tried watching one episode and quickly realised why our neighbours thought the unsung words to the theme tune were "Death and bonking, death and bonking..." etc. ad nauseam.
Total tripe imho.
> ERG sources say they will field a candidate of their own if Boris and Raab vote for the Withdrawal Agreement again next month.
>
> 30 or 40 of its most hardcore members would then likely back Steve Baker to succeed May as Tory leader with Theresa Villiers and Owen Paterson also contenders
>
> https://www.standard.co.uk/news/londoners-diary/the-londoner-olympian-struggle-for-the-brexit-party-a4146636.html
They are deluded but then they have been all along. Even Grayling would be better than that bunch and he is the worst minister I can ever recall
> Question. This week's euros are a disaster for the Conservatives. Brexit Party triumphant. May goes at last. New Tory leader elected to deliver Brexit and move on from the awful mess.
>
> Will they deliver Brexit? And how?
The vote on Thursday is likely to be so bad for both the Tories and Labour that a further extension will not be viable for either, irrespective of the grumbles of the 150 or so largely southern MPs who occupy remain constituencies. The level of in-fighting will ratchet up even further in both parties.
The vote is likely, outside of inner London, a few metropolitan areas and Scotland, to resoundingly indicate that both will get punished in a general election. Who is going to give them a second chance with Brexit any time soon?
A referendum isn't viable for either (there aren't enough non-SNP remain constituencies for it to work for Labour), and the outcome would be far too close to call anyway.
An election is no longer viable for either on present polling.
So, what's to stop it? The only way out of this for both of them, and the only way to restore their duopoly, is to enable Brexit in 2019 and change the conversation as soon as possible.