Why (other than his teaching commitments) has @ydoethur not been on here railing against the despicable act ?
I refer, of course, to the misuse of ‘literally’.
It's called 'coursework moderation.' I was so deep in the changing patterns of urban development in nineteenth century Britain that even a solecism as gross as that never penetrated my consciousness.
Back in the days when the Indy was actually a newspaper they had an entire front page telling you what was in a MacDonalds strawberry milkshake. I haven’t had one since.
> @isam said: > Imagine if it was blood. Or acid. This is madness and it must stop. We are British and this is not right. > > When the first politician gets acid thrown over them, the people cheering today because it's happening to a political opponent will feel deeply ashamed of themselves
Prediction: no they won't.
Evidence: here is the aftermath of a petrol bomb thrown at a SCon councillor's family home, last night. Shame came there none:
On topic I had not appreciated that we had not had Euro elections when we were not doing something more important such as deciding who gets to empty our bins since 1999. I suspect that the number of people who actually give a rats arse about this is being seriously exaggerated. Turnout may prove to be truly pitiful.
> @jayfdee said: > Sunil, thanks for taking the time to compile all this. > These elections are happening under such unique circumstances, who knows. > They are now becoming just a substitute second ref/peoples vote, and everyone will be able to interpret the result to suit their own desires. The remain grouping is split over many groups which will allow the single Farage group to claim victory, meanwhile others will add up the remain groups,and also claim victory. > It is just a mess, and I have pretty much dropped out, and will concentrate on looking after my family.
You're welcome! Though as @DavidL just pointed out, I neglected to mention that EU 1999 didn't coincide with the Locals! Though I don't see why this month's Locals couldn't have been shifted by, what, three weeks?
> @MTimT said: > > @Casino_Royale said: > > Must be only a matter of time before someone lactates on Nige. > > > > > > > > https://twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status/1130454429134671875 > > > > > > > > That poster is very funny. > > > > They’re basically paying to advertise Nigel Farage and the Brexit Party for him. > > > > Maybe they should describe themselves as #donkeysledbydonkeys > > Mirror imaging of the highest order. Those making the poster think that the message is so obviously awful that it could only hurt Farage. While I personally do not agree with the message, I can imagine many TBP supporters do. Hardly likely to sway a vote either way.
Well if people agree with the view expressed on the poster then they are well into the faridge message. Others will see it differently and should be given an opportunity to know about the views of those who are willing to damage our country to protect their own personal fortunes.
Farage claims that people like me have been radicalised. He's right. I've been radicalised by being called a traitor for holding a mainstream and compassionate political opinion. I have been radicalised by being called a citizen of nowhere for daring to be a *migrant*. I have been radicalised by the lack of accountability for those who have broken the law to win votes.
I have been radicalised by the fact that real life fascists like Putin are influencing our politics, and radicalising others, whilst nothing is being done about it.
I choose to channel my radicalism in ways that do not involve spilling drinks on people. But my sympathy for him having to dry clean his suit is less than it would have been before he and his AfD, FN and Kremlin-backed chums radicalised me.
I've been out delivering LibDem leaflets all afternoon. Deep Blue Tories have stopped me in the street, unsolicited, to tell me that they are going to vote LibDem for the first time in their lives - and that they are definitely going to vote. Something is happening.
Interesting insight into priorities from James Cleverly "We need houses in the South where there are good quality jobs." Not we need good quality jobs elsewhere, where there is affordable housing. Duly noted.
I’m sure the Welsh who are flocking to Farage will also be bringing out the bunting and street parties when Airbus and other big companies up sticks and leave because of a no deal Brexit which their new hero supports .
> @williamglenn said: > > @MaxPB said: > > > > It's also completely pointless. It's in Islington, how many people in Islington are voting for Nige? > > It's about turning out people who want to vote against him.
That might make sense if the Euro elections in any way might result in giving the winner a mandate over public breast feeding practices. They don't. It may well make those already angry at Farage angrier, but more likely to vote in the Euros, I strongly doubt.
https://twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status/1130454429134671875 Just a thought, but isn't it illegal for somebody else to put up posters purporting to advertise a political party during an election campaign? And does that include things which might not be immediately obvious parodies?
It's great. I'm struggling to think of anyone between Tommy Robinson and Seamus Milne who couldn't back it. Would be nice if politics were that easy.
The moment you actually ask a real question - Where does this stand in relation to the EU?, Where does 'equal rights to fair chances' stand in relation to public schools? Should the tax payer fund benefits claimants heroin bills? You suddenly remember that bold general statements are easy. Policy is hard.
> @ah009 said: > Farage claims that people like me have been radicalised. He's right. > I've been radicalised by being called a traitor for holding a mainstream and compassionate political opinion. I have been radicalised by being called a citizen of nowhere for daring to be a *migrant*. I have been radicalised by the lack of accountability for those who have broken the law to win votes. > > I have been radicalised by the fact that real life fascists like Putin are influencing our politics, and radicalising others, whilst nothing is being done about it. > > I choose to channel my radicalism in ways that do not involve spilling drinks on people. But my sympathy for him having to dry clean his suit is less than it would have been before he and his AfD, FN and Kremlin-backed chums radicalised me.
Brilliant post . Thanks for putting into words how so many Remainers feel.
> @DavidL said: > On topic I had not appreciated that we had not had Euro elections when we were not doing something more important such as deciding who gets to empty our bins since 1999. I suspect that the number of people who actually give a rats arse about this is being seriously exaggerated. Turnout may prove to be truly pitiful.
I think turnout will surprise you on the upside. Not that I intend to bet on it, but I think >50% a real possibility
Just thought of an interesting comparison that could be made using the Euro election results: we could see if any areas that voted Leave at the referendum switch to more than 50% voting for Remain-supporting parties and vice versa. (Of course you'd have to assume that a party like Labour is in the pro-Remain camp, whereas in reality they're a bit confused over which side they're on at the moment).
Just thought of an interesting comparison that could be made using the Euro election results: we could see if any areas that voted Leave at the referendum switch to more than 50% voting for Remain-supporting parties and vice versa.
Surely the more interesting comparison will be with turnout? If it skyrockets in Remain areas and plummets elsewhere, that suggests Leavers are losing interest.
> @ydoethur said: > Just thought of an interesting comparison that could be made using the Euro election results: we could see if any areas that voted Leave at the referendum switch to more than 50% voting for Remain-supporting parties and vice versa. > > Surely the more interesting comparison will be with turnout? If it skyrockets in Remain areas and plummets elsewhere, that suggests Leavers are losing interest. > > Anything else on the other hand...
I'm not sure how you would judge turnout, because at the referendum it was 71% overall and it's going to be about 40% on Thursday.
> @Casino_Royale said: > Must be only a matter of time before someone lactates on Nige. > > > > https://twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status/1130454429134671875 > > > > That poster is very funny. > > They’re basically paying to advertise Nigel Farage and the Brexit Party for him. > > Maybe they should describe themselves as #donkeysledbydonkeys > > Probably helped secure a few thousand crosses in the box from religious conservative types who wouldn't normally vote Farage. If you read the whole interview, he isn't against breastfeeding in public at all. > > "“Let me get this clear, as I said on the radio and as I repeat now, I personally have no problem with mothers breastfeeding wherever they want,” he said. “What I said was - and it is immensely frustrating that I have to explain this - is that if the establishment in question, in this case Claridge’s, wants to maintain rules about this stuff, then that is up to them, as it should be. I remarked that perhaps they might ask women to sit in a corner. Did I say I believe they should have to? No. Did I say I personally endorse this concept? No..” > > It’s a perfectly reasonable point of view. > > I think they think if they just put up a picture of Nigel Farage on a poster and say LOOK, HE’S A TWAT! they will get some votes but really it’s an impotent sign of someone who just wants to do something to make themselves feel a bit better.
Its probably the same as his comments that foreign nationals should not automatically get HIV drug treatment on the NHS effectively on arrival as the NHS is intended for British citizens and long term permanent residents who have paid in to fund it. Liberal remainerdom is outraged - much if not most of the country agrees as they think its the National not the International Heath Service!
> @nico67 said: > I’m sure the Welsh who are flocking to Farage will also be bringing out the bunting and street parties when Airbus and other big companies up sticks and leave because of a no deal Brexit which their new hero supports .
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My God, what have we Welsh done !!
If we leave the EU, Labour MPs in Wales will not be able to get overseas education grants from Denmark to send their kids to private education at Atlantic College.
The Remainer in Chief, Steve Kinnock, might have to pay for his own kids private education.
If we leave the EU, the only Waitroses in Wales will have to shut down, and the wealthy will find it hard to pick up decent bottles of Chardonnay.
If we leave the EU, then the fantastic EU grants that have caused such wealth to flow into Wales will dry up.
He cried out twice, a cry that was no more than a breath: “‘The horror! The horror!”
> @ydoethur said: > Just thought of an interesting comparison that could be made using the Euro election results: we could see if any areas that voted Leave at the referendum switch to more than 50% voting for Remain-supporting parties and vice versa. > Surely the more interesting comparison will be with turnout? If it skyrockets in Remain areas and plummets elsewhere, that suggests Leavers are losing interest. > Anything else on the other hand... I'm not sure how you would judge turnout, because at the referendum it was 71% overall and it's going to be about 40% on Thursday.
We assume it will be about 40%. That's one of the things to keep an eye on.
> @ydoethur said: > Just thought of an interesting comparison that could be made using the Euro election results: we could see if any areas that voted Leave at the referendum switch to more than 50% voting for Remain-supporting parties and vice versa. > > Surely the more interesting comparison will be with turnout? If it skyrockets in Remain areas and plummets elsewhere, that suggests Leavers are losing interest. > > Anything else on the other hand...
That would be skewed by the fact that the areas which recently had local elections , which might be expected to depress turnout, were more "Leavier" than the UK average.
Imagine if it was blood. Or acid. This is madness and it must stop. We are British and this is not right.
When the first politician gets acid thrown over them, the people cheering today because it's happening to a political opponent will feel deeply ashamed of themselves
We already had an MP assassinated over Brexit. Milkshakes are a de-escalation.
Bravo to Paul Crowther, good on you mate. Great that milkshakes have become a thing when it comes to the racists in our midst. I’d prefer acid but milkshakes will do for now I guess. Nigel Farage hit by milkshake during Newcastle walkabout"
You start with a milkshake, and within three hours you've got people publicly asking for acid to be used instead: a clear incitement of violence, and surely a criminal offence. And this at a time when acid attacks are mutilating people across the country.
Yet this woman thinks it is permissible to post this on Twitter, in her own name, and she works for a charity, as her handle proudly shows.
> @dixiedean said: > > @williamglenn said: > > Does Liz Truss think there’s no life outside London? > > > > https://twitter.com/asabenn/status/1130538095928139776?s=21 > > Interesting insight into priorities from James Cleverly "We need houses in the South where there are good quality jobs." > Not we need good quality jobs elsewhere, where there is affordable housing. > Duly noted.
It's a lot easier to build a house than a viable business.
> @ydoethur said: > > @LordWakefield said: > > > You have to be fucking joking > > > https://twitter.com/HowlandRobin/status/1130505595516313606 > > > Political class are quaking in their boots now. > > They could raid Labour's office, looking for evidence of a realistically costed policy. > > When they find none, they can leave again without having done any harm.
They could raid the Tories' office and disrupt their campaigning. Going by recent elections they could do with the help.
> @ydoethur said: > > @ydoethur said: > > Just thought of an interesting comparison that could be made using the Euro election results: we could see if any areas that voted Leave at the referendum switch to more than 50% voting for Remain-supporting parties and vice versa. > > Surely the more interesting comparison will be with turnout? If it skyrockets in Remain areas and plummets elsewhere, that suggests Leavers are losing interest. > > Anything else on the other hand... > I'm not sure how you would judge turnout, because at the referendum it was 71% overall and it's going to be about 40% on Thursday. > > We assume it will be about 40%. That's one of the things to keep an eye on.
It's never been higher than 38.5% before, which was in 1994. I'm assuming it'll be a bit higher than usual despite the fact people voted only 3 weeks ago. In 1999 that situation resulted in a turnout of just 24%.
> I’m sure the Welsh who are flocking to Farage will also be bringing out the bunting and street parties when Airbus and other big companies up sticks and leave because of a no deal Brexit which their new hero supports .
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My God, what have we Welsh done !! If we leave the EU, Labour MPs in Wales will not be able to get overseas education grants from Denmark to send their kids to private education at Atlantic College. The Remainer in Chief, Steve Kinnock, might have to pay for his own kids private education. If we leave the EU, the only Waitroses in Wales will have to shut down, and the wealthy will find it hard to pick up decent bottles of Chardonnay. If we leave the EU, then the fantastic EU grants that have caused such wealth to flow into Wales will dry up. He cried out twice, a cry that was no more than a breath: “‘The horror! The horror!”
You know, that post is really quite shocking.
No, @Nigelb, not because it lacks an apostrophe where for some reason the poster obsesses about Stephen Kinnock's baby goats.
I genuinely never realised that there was a second Waitrose in Wales. I always assumed Abergavenny was the only one.
> @ydoethur said: > > @ydoethur said: > > Just thought of an interesting comparison that could be made using the Euro election results: we could see if any areas that voted Leave at the referendum switch to more than 50% voting for Remain-supporting parties and vice versa. > > Surely the more interesting comparison will be with turnout? If it skyrockets in Remain areas and plummets elsewhere, that suggests Leavers are losing interest. > > Anything else on the other hand... > I'm not sure how you would judge turnout, because at the referendum it was 71% overall and it's going to be about 40% on Thursday. > > We assume it will be about 40%. That's one of the things to keep an eye on. Information required please! Will individual counting centers declare their results or will they wait for the regional declaration? Will the validate on Thursday/Friday or wait until sunday?
If they validate prior to count will they declare turnout?
> @brokenwheel said: > Did we catch this? Seems Dan Snow is now not so sure about his wild conspiracy theory. Until next time, folks; > > twitter.com/BBCPeterH/status/1130522604605988864
Its like Trump derangement syndrome. Highly intelligent people have gone totally bonkers and start whipping up weird conspiracy theories.
I am presuming what happened in Dan's case is he has somebody else open his mail and then left it in a big pile.
> @DavidL said: > > @dixiedean said: > > > @williamglenn said: > > > Does Liz Truss think there’s no life outside London? > > > > > > https://twitter.com/asabenn/status/1130538095928139776?s=21 > > > > Interesting insight into priorities from James Cleverly "We need houses in the South where there are good quality jobs." > > Not we need good quality jobs elsewhere, where there is affordable housing. > > Duly noted. > > It's a lot easier to build a house than a viable business.
After the shafting the Tories got at the locals from nimby Home Counties LDs and Independents? A million new homes in the South East? Good luck. The government is a huge procurer of business contracts as you well know. And even were that the case a 2 pronged approach may possibly have merits.
> @ydoethur said: > They could raid the Tories' office and disrupt their campaigning. Going by recent elections they could do with the help. > > Evidence please, for that outlandish claim that the Tories are campaigning.
That is definitely fake news....unless 5 people in a private suite at a footy ground talking to one reporter counts as campaigning.
> @dixiedean said: > > @DavidL said: > > > @dixiedean said: > > > > @williamglenn said: > > > > Does Liz Truss think there’s no life outside London? > > > > > > > > https://twitter.com/asabenn/status/1130538095928139776?s=21 > > > > > > Interesting insight into priorities from James Cleverly "We need houses in the South where there are good quality jobs." > > > Not we need good quality jobs elsewhere, where there is affordable housing. > > > Duly noted. > > > > It's a lot easier to build a house than a viable business. > > After the shafting the Tories got at the locals from nimby Home Counties LDs and Independents? A million new homes in the South East? Good luck. > The government is a huge procurer of business contracts as you well know. > And even were that the case a 2 pronged approach may possibly have merits.
Truss is a libertarian rather than a Tory really and there already is a Libertarian Party in the UK if she wants to join
A head teacher at a primary school giving lessons on LGBT equality has received threatening emails and phone calls....
Shakeel Afsar is the leader of the Anderton Park protests, although he has no children at the school. He said 600 pupils were kept from school on Monday "to make it crystal clear we will not have our children indoctrinated or participating in any social engineering programmes which undermine our family values by promoting child sexualisation".
> @ydoethur said: > > You know, that post is really quite shocking. > > No, @Nigelb, not because it lacks an apostrophe where for some reason the poster obsesses about Stephen Kinnock's baby goats. > > I genuinely never realised that there was a second Waitrose in Wales. I always assumed Abergavenny was the only one.
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It is indeed very shocking.
There are Waitroses at Abergavenny, Cowbridge, Barry, Caldicott, Monmouth and two in Cardiff.
The same number as in Scotland!
The Waitrose site also claims there is one in Menai Bridge, but I can't say I have ever seen it.
> @ydoethur said: > > @nico67 said: > > > I’m sure the Welsh who are flocking to Farage will also be bringing out the bunting and street parties when Airbus and other big companies up sticks and leave because of a no deal Brexit which their new hero supports . > > > > --- > > > > My God, what have we Welsh done !! > If we leave the EU, Labour MPs in Wales will not be able to get overseas education grants from Denmark to send their kids to private education at Atlantic College. > The Remainer in Chief, Steve Kinnock, might have to pay for his own kids private education. > If we leave the EU, the only Waitroses in Wales will have to shut down, and the wealthy will find it hard to pick up decent bottles of Chardonnay. > If we leave the EU, then the fantastic EU grants that have caused such wealth to flow into Wales will dry up. > He cried out twice, a cry that was no more than a breath: “‘The horror! The horror!” > > You know, that post is really quite shocking. > > No, @Nigelb, not because it lacks an apostrophe where for some reason the poster obsesses about Stephen Kinnock's baby goats. > > I genuinely never realised that there was a second Waitrose in Wales. I always assumed Abergavenny was the only one.
A quick google suggests both Cardiff and Swansea have them too. And still a leave majority? Wales is indeed a peculiar place.
> @Ishmael_Z said: > > @nico67 said: > > > > @felix said: > > > > > @nico67 said: > > > > > Corbyn after being egged continued his walkabout. > > > > > > > > > > Farage the so called tough guy ran off to his car and gave a speech from the top of his bus . > > > > > > > > Are you making a point of any kind? If so consider that Corbyn was being an idiot in not taking rudimentary safety measures after what could as easily have been a knife as an egg. > > > > > > My point is Farage likes to play a tough man of the people , the poor luv had some milkshake thrown onto his suit and ran away to his car before giving a speech from the top of his bus . Corbyn just got on with things and didn’t make a big deal over it . > > > > > > Farage is now pressing assault charges and playing the martyr , he had the cheek to call Remainers radicalized ! > > > > > > Anyway we must start a hash tag > > > > > > Je Suis Nigel # > > > > > > The poor thing needs all the support we can muster after his traumatic experience ! > > > > It is interesting to compare his response with that of Arnold Schwarzenegger who was drop kicked in the back whilst opening an athletics event in South Africa a couple of days ago but chose not to press charges so as not to detract from the event he was trying to support. Certainly the bigger man in every way. > > Mmm, well done bringing about a state of affairs where his relative bigness is of any concern to anyone except his wife. You must be proud.
The more educated amongst you would have recognised the original Latin. The more plebeian amongst us would have recognised it from its use in the Hannibal Lecter book "Hannibal", where Dr Fell was an alias of Lecter...
> @FrancisUrquhart said: > > @brokenwheel said: > > Did we catch this? Seems Dan Snow is now not so sure about his wild conspiracy theory. Until next time, folks; > > > > twitter.com/BBCPeterH/status/1130522604605988864 > > Its like Trump derangement syndrome. Highly intelligent people have gone totally bonkers and start whipping up weird conspiracy theories. > > I am presuming what happened in Dan's case is he has somebody else open his mail and then left it in a big pile.
Seeing very intelligent people allegedly falling victim to conspiracy theories is very depressing and not something I thought I'd ever see. Shows how partisan and divided everyone is becoming.
> @williamglenn said: > > @HYUFD said: > > > > Truss is a libertarian rather than a Tory really and there already is a Libertarian Party in the UK if she wants to join > > True Tories are all voting for the Brexit Party?
True Tories are still voting Tory on Thursday, of course to be a true Tory of the old school you don't mind being in an exclusive club of a very small minority!
> @dixiedean said: > > @DavidL said: > > > @dixiedean said: > > > > @williamglenn said: > > > > Does Liz Truss think there’s no life outside London? > > > > > > > > https://twitter.com/asabenn/status/1130538095928139776?s=21 > > > > > > Interesting insight into priorities from James Cleverly "We need houses in the South where there are good quality jobs." > > > Not we need good quality jobs elsewhere, where there is affordable housing. > > > Duly noted. > > > > It's a lot easier to build a house than a viable business. > > After the shafting the Tories got at the locals from nimby Home Counties LDs and Independents? A million new homes in the South East? Good luck. > The government is a huge procurer of business contracts as you well know. > And even were that the case a 2 pronged approach may possibly have merits.
I am not suggesting that the policy makes any sense. I am not sure from my trips down where you would fit another million homes into the south east or the 2 million cars that would probably generate on the roads or the 2 million young goats into schools etc etc.
I am just pointing out that decades of attempts by government to create jobs oop north have had very, very mixed success to put it at its kindest.
> @Cicero said: > > @Richard_Tyndall said: > > > @Cyclefree said: > > > https://twitter.com/DanielHewittITV/status/1130490441844105216 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is madness. The vice chair of the Cons local party. Insane. Tories have lost their heads utterly. > > > > > > > > > > > > The new leader has a mountain to climb to save their party. > > > > > > Are these Conservatives who are voting for other parties going to be slung out? Or does this only apply to Lord Heseltine? > > > > > > Well said. All those Tory councillors voting for a party other than Brexit should be expelled. If they won’t support their party why the hell should they have a say in electing the new leader. > > > > > > Is the Tory hierarchy just too frit these days? > > > > As I remember it was the Remainers who were screaming for people to be chucked out of the Tory party for supporting the Brexit Party several weeks ago but who were strangely quiet yesterday when Heseltine said he would be voting Lib Dem. > > > > Typical hypocritical Remainers. > > Hmm... You know, I'm rather tempted to pick up a McFlurry if Leavers try to force a no deal on the unwilling majority of this country. > > In fact I may give it both barrels with a strawberry hand spun shake by Burger King if you keep hiding behind the "you lost get over it" crap you "bridge builders" have been pulling over the past two years. Ever since the disgraceful "Citizen of the World" speech you clowns have gone out of your way to infuriate Remainers. > > So unless you want a holocaust of non-dairy oil based sludge and a dry cleaning bill that might well destabilize global markets, I think we should have a bit less of these childish anti Remainer insults... > > Anyway, that being said, I always liked Bugsy Malone and am rather hoping the performance of the Liberal Democrats this week might be the equivalent of the splurge gun massacre on the Tories...
You are another one who clearly doesn't have the first clue what you are talking about. Try actually finding out what people are advocating before going off the deep end. Your remarks are not so much childish as infantile.
> @ydoethur said: > They could raid the Tories' office and disrupt their campaigning. Going by recent elections they could do with the help. > > Evidence please, for that outlandish claim that the Tories are campaigning.
Ah, you got me on that one.
Edit, actually I did get a leaflet. I am sure it mentioned the Euro elections somewhere. Sure it did.
> > Truss is a libertarian rather than a Tory really and there already is a Libertarian Party in the UK if she wants to join
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> True Tories are all voting for the Brexit Party?
True Tories are still voting Tory on Thursday, of course to be a true Tory of the old school you don't mind being in an exclusive club of a very small minority!
> @isam said: > Imagine if it was blood. Or acid. This is madness and it must stop. We are British and this is not right. > > When the first politician gets acid thrown over them, the people cheering today because it's happening to a political opponent will feel deeply ashamed of themselves
Actually many on the left would cheer it.
Because anyone to the left of Corbyn is seen as a Nazi or far right, and it is apparently o.k to punch (or hurt) a Nazi.
> @FrancisUrquhart said: > Talking of harassment.... > > A head teacher at a primary school giving lessons on LGBT equality has received threatening emails and phone calls.... > > Shakeel Afsar is the leader of the Anderton Park protests, although he has no children at the school. He said 600 pupils were kept from school on Monday "to make it crystal clear we will not have our children indoctrinated or participating in any social engineering programmes which undermine our family values by promoting child sexualisation". > > https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-birmingham-48339080<;
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The situation is actually a lot worse than the BBC report implies.
Seeing very intelligent people allegedly falling victim to conspiracy theories is very depressing and not something I thought I'd ever see. Shows how partisan and divided everyone is becoming.
Given the inspiring story he could have told about how many women risked their lives (and in the case of e.g. Amy Johnson, lost them) to keep the RAF flying, I am forced to query the 'very intelligent' part of that post.
> @Sunil_Prasannan said: > > @williamglenn said: > > > > @HYUFD said: > > > > > > > > Truss is a libertarian rather than a Tory really and there already is a Libertarian Party in the UK if she wants to join > > > > > > True Tories are all voting for the Brexit Party? > > > > True Tories are still voting Tory on Thursday, of course to be a true Tory of the old school you don't mind being in an exclusive club of a very small minority! > > Tories to come in a poor fourth on Thursday?
Maybe in seats but on the popular vote I suspect they will be behind the Greens who will suffer because their vote is too evenly distributed.
> @Sunil_Prasannan said: > > @williamglenn said: > > > > @HYUFD said: > > > > > > > > Truss is a libertarian rather than a Tory really and there already is a Libertarian Party in the UK if she wants to join > > > > > > True Tories are all voting for the Brexit Party? > > > > True Tories are still voting Tory on Thursday, of course to be a true Tory of the old school you don't mind being in an exclusive club of a very small minority! > > Tories to come in a poor fourth on Thursday?
Fourth would be a comparitively good result compared to where they probably will be.
> @HYUFD said: > > @williamglenn said: > > > @HYUFD said: > > > > > > Truss is a libertarian rather than a Tory really and there already is a Libertarian Party in the UK if she wants to join > > > > True Tories are all voting for the Brexit Party? > > True Tories are still voting Tory on Thursday
------------- Could have fooled me, sometimes it seems half the membership and a sizable portion of the MPs think the truest thing a Tory can do is vote against other Tories.
Actually many on the left would cheer it. Because anyone to the left of Corbyn is seen as a Nazi or far right, and it is apparently o.k to punch (or hurt) a Nazi.
Do you mean to the right of Corbyn?
Not that I'm disputing that you get Fascists on the left!
> @DavidL said: > > @dixiedean said: > > > @DavidL said: > > > > @dixiedean said: > > > > > @williamglenn said: > > > > > Does Liz Truss think there’s no life outside London? > > > > > > > > > > https://twitter.com/asabenn/status/1130538095928139776?s=21 > > > > > > > > Interesting insight into priorities from James Cleverly "We need houses in the South where there are good quality jobs." > > > > Not we need good quality jobs elsewhere, where there is affordable housing. > > > > Duly noted. > > > > > > It's a lot easier to build a house than a viable business. > > > > After the shafting the Tories got at the locals from nimby Home Counties LDs and Independents? A million new homes in the South East? Good luck. > > The government is a huge procurer of business contracts as you well know. > > And even were that the case a 2 pronged approach may possibly have merits. > > I am not suggesting that the policy makes any sense. I am not sure from my trips down where you would fit another million homes into the south east or the 2 million cars that would probably generate on the roads or the 2 million young goats into schools etc etc. > > I am just pointing out that decades of attempts by government to create jobs oop north have had very, very mixed success to put it at its kindest.
There are plenty of jobs up North. We are close to full employment.
Could have fooled me, sometimes it seems half the membership and a sizable portion of the MPs think the truest thing a Tory can do is vote against other Tories.
Voting to remove Daniel Hannan from national life would be a modest public service.
Add in Oxfordshire for all those Cotswold LibDems to get their halloumi, and I am sure one highly prosperous English county has more Waitroses than Wales and Scotland combined.
Speaking as somebody who despises Farage and all his works - does Brown mean dodgy donations like that £1million donation he took off Ecclestone on the quiet just before announcing F1 would be exempt from the ban on tobacco advertising?
Whoever would have thought that the Electoral Commission would make it a priority to investigate a party with an opaque donation structure where a worker convicted of money laundering offences plays a role?
> @dixiedean said: > > @DavidL said: > > > @dixiedean said: > > > > @DavidL said: > > > > > @dixiedean said: > > > > > > @williamglenn said: > > > > > > Does Liz Truss think there’s no life outside London? > > > > > > > > > > > > https://twitter.com/asabenn/status/1130538095928139776?s=21 > > > > > > > > > > Interesting insight into priorities from James Cleverly "We need houses in the South where there are good quality jobs." > > > > > Not we need good quality jobs elsewhere, where there is affordable housing. > > > > > Duly noted. > > > > > > > > It's a lot easier to build a house than a viable business. > > > > > > After the shafting the Tories got at the locals from nimby Home Counties LDs and Independents? A million new homes in the South East? Good luck. > > > The government is a huge procurer of business contracts as you well know. > > > And even were that the case a 2 pronged approach may possibly have merits. > > > > I am not suggesting that the policy makes any sense. I am not sure from my trips down where you would fit another million homes into the south east or the 2 million cars that would probably generate on the roads or the 2 million young goats into schools etc etc. > > > > I am just pointing out that decades of attempts by government to create jobs oop north have had very, very mixed success to put it at its kindest. > > There are plenty of jobs up North. We are close to full employment.
I thought that the qualification was "good" jobs. As a rough rule of thumb a "good" job should pay maybe 2x the national average. As in Scotland there is not nearly enough of these outside the public sector.
> @AlastairMeeks said: > Whoever would have thought that the Electoral Commission would make it a priority to investigate a party with an opaque donation structure where a worker convicted of money laundering offences plays a role?
As long as they are subjecting all other parties/organizations to the same rigorous screenings, then it's fine.
> @RobD said: > > @kle4 said: > > > @brokenwheel said: > > > Did we catch this? Seems Dan Snow is now not so sure about his wild conspiracy theory. Until next time, folks; > > > > > > https://twitter.com/BBCPeterH/status/1130522604605988864 > > > > Awfully quick to fly into theorising, wasn't he? > > Rightly dismissed as fake news bollocks the moment it was posted on here.
I assumed what happened was what happened with my poll card, in that it arrived in the same delivery as the Brexit leaflef, but I await further word.
> @RobD said: > > @AlastairMeeks said: > > Whoever would have thought that the Electoral Commission would make it a priority to investigate a party with an opaque donation structure where a worker convicted of money laundering offences plays a role? > > As long as they are subjecting all other parties/organizations to the same rigorous screenings, then it's fine.
You prioritise the ones who have been evasive, of course.
> @AndyJS said: > Wonderful. The party in first place in the polls and the body administering the election are having arguments with each other. Just what we needed.
I oppose Farage in every way possible but why on earth some on here get satisfaction at him being assaulted and for the electoral commission to raid his offices following a public appeal by Gordon Brown
This is exactly the mistakes the democrats made in the US and it must be adding many thousands to his vote
I never thought I would see the day the UK would follow the US into such divisive politics with the possibility that Farage becomes the UK's own Trump
These are very serious days for our Country and I do not see a saviour anywhere on the horizon
> @kle4 said: > > @RobD said: > > > @kle4 said: > > > > @brokenwheel said: > > > > Did we catch this? Seems Dan Snow is now not so sure about his wild conspiracy theory. Until next time, folks; > > > > > > > > https://twitter.com/BBCPeterH/status/1130522604605988864 > > > > > > Awfully quick to fly into theorising, wasn't he? > > > > Rightly dismissed as fake news bollocks the moment it was posted on here. > > I assumed what happened was what happened with my poll card, in that it arrived in the same delivery as the Brexit leaflef, but I await further word.
The inability to open an envelope competently is worrying.
Still he had the luck to get a job at an organisation where his dad was an important person.
> @Sunil_Prasannan said: > > @williamglenn said: > > > > @HYUFD said: > > > > > > > > Truss is a libertarian rather than a Tory really and there already is a Libertarian Party in the UK if she wants to join > > > > > > True Tories are all voting for the Brexit Party? > > > > True Tories are still voting Tory on Thursday, of course to be a true Tory of the old school you don't mind being in an exclusive club of a very small minority! > > Tories to come in a poor fourth on Thursday?
Am I the only one who finds it incredibly confusing that an Israeli party committed to an especially aggressive form of Jewish nationalism should be such an outspoken supporter of an anti-Semitic fellow traveller like Orban?
> @DavidL said: > > @dixiedean said: > > > @DavidL said: > > > > @dixiedean said: > > > > > @DavidL said: > > > > > > @dixiedean said: > > > > > > > @williamglenn said: > > > > > > > Does Liz Truss think there’s no life outside London? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://twitter.com/asabenn/status/1130538095928139776?s=21 > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting insight into priorities from James Cleverly "We need houses in the South where there are good quality jobs." > > > > > > Not we need good quality jobs elsewhere, where there is affordable housing. > > > > > > Duly noted. > > > > > > > > > > It's a lot easier to build a house than a viable business. > > > > > > > > After the shafting the Tories got at the locals from nimby Home Counties LDs and Independents? A million new homes in the South East? Good luck. > > > > The government is a huge procurer of business contracts as you well know. > > > > And even were that the case a 2 pronged approach may possibly have merits. > > > > > > I am not suggesting that the policy makes any sense. I am not sure from my trips down where you would fit another million homes into the south east or the 2 million cars that would probably generate on the roads or the 2 million young goats into schools etc etc. > > > > > > I am just pointing out that decades of attempts by government to create jobs oop north have had very, very mixed success to put it at its kindest. > > > > There are plenty of jobs up North. We are close to full employment. > > I thought that the qualification was "good" jobs. As a rough rule of thumb a "good" job should pay maybe 2x the national average. As in Scotland there is not nearly enough of these outside the public sector.
An average job should allow you to buy a three bed semi in the same area.
A good job should allow you to buy a four bed detached in the same area.
I'm not sure how many average or good jobs London has on that definition.
Seeing very intelligent people allegedly falling victim to conspiracy theories is very depressing and not something I thought I'd ever see. Shows how partisan and divided everyone is becoming.
Given the inspiring story he could have told about how many women risked their lives (and in the case of e.g. Amy Johnson, lost them) to keep the RAF flying, I am forced to query the 'very intelligent' part of that post.
While I hold no brief for Snow, and I suspect his success is partly due to his parents money, I have to say that that article (which points out that Snow had lied to his 6yr old daughter about female spitfire pilots in order not to crush her hopes) was a bit mean-minded.
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Also, if the worst they can come up with is him thinking that women who want to breastfeed sit in the corner of a café then it's pretty thin gruel.
Looks like the Tory infighting of the last few years is going to turn into a bloodbath during the leadership challenge .
> Imagine if it was blood. Or acid. This is madness and it must stop. We are British and this is not right.
>
> When the first politician gets acid thrown over them, the people cheering today because it's happening to a political opponent will feel deeply ashamed of themselves
Prediction: no they won't.
Evidence: here is the aftermath of a petrol bomb thrown at a SCon councillor's family home, last night.
Shame came there none:
https://twitter.com/STVNews/status/1130507660829310976
https://twitter.com/asabenn/status/1130538095928139776?s=21
> Finally a Tory party I recognise.
>
> https://twitter.com/Sandbach/status/1130523906828382208
Yep. I’d vote for that. Are we really going to have a leadership campaign where Tory candidates compete on how much more money they would spend? Jeez.
> Sunil, thanks for taking the time to compile all this.
> These elections are happening under such unique circumstances, who knows.
> They are now becoming just a substitute second ref/peoples vote, and everyone will be able to interpret the result to suit their own desires. The remain grouping is split over many groups which will allow the single Farage group to claim victory, meanwhile others will add up the remain groups,and also claim victory.
> It is just a mess, and I have pretty much dropped out, and will concentrate on looking after my family.
You're welcome! Though as @DavidL just pointed out, I neglected to mention that EU 1999 didn't coincide with the Locals! Though I don't see why this month's Locals couldn't have been shifted by, what, three weeks?
> > @Casino_Royale said:
> > Must be only a matter of time before someone lactates on Nige.
> >
> >
> >
> > https://twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status/1130454429134671875
> >
> >
> >
> > That poster is very funny.
> >
> > They’re basically paying to advertise Nigel Farage and the Brexit Party for him.
> >
> > Maybe they should describe themselves as #donkeysledbydonkeys
>
> Mirror imaging of the highest order. Those making the poster think that the message is so obviously awful that it could only hurt Farage. While I personally do not agree with the message, I can imagine many TBP supporters do. Hardly likely to sway a vote either way.
Well if people agree with the view expressed on the poster then they are well into the faridge message. Others will see it differently and should be given an opportunity to know about the views of those who are willing to damage our country to protect their own personal fortunes.
I've been radicalised by being called a traitor for holding a mainstream and compassionate political opinion. I have been radicalised by being called a citizen of nowhere for daring to be a *migrant*. I have been radicalised by the lack of accountability for those who have broken the law to win votes.
I have been radicalised by the fact that real life fascists like Putin are influencing our politics, and radicalising others, whilst nothing is being done about it.
I choose to channel my radicalism in ways that do not involve spilling drinks on people. But my sympathy for him having to dry clean his suit is less than it would have been before he and his AfD, FN and Kremlin-backed chums radicalised me.
> Does Liz Truss think there’s no life outside London?
>
> https://twitter.com/asabenn/status/1130538095928139776?s=21
Interesting insight into priorities from James Cleverly "We need houses in the South where there are good quality jobs."
Not we need good quality jobs elsewhere, where there is affordable housing.
Duly noted.
> > @MaxPB said:
> >
> > It's also completely pointless. It's in Islington, how many people in Islington are voting for Nige?
>
> It's about turning out people who want to vote against him.
That might make sense if the Euro elections in any way might result in giving the winner a mandate over public breast feeding practices. They don't. It may well make those already angry at Farage angrier, but more likely to vote in the Euros, I strongly doubt.
Edit - or is it just a Twitter mashup?
It's great. I'm struggling to think of anyone between Tommy Robinson and Seamus Milne who couldn't back it. Would be nice if politics were that easy.
The moment you actually ask a real question - Where does this stand in relation to the EU?, Where does 'equal rights to fair chances' stand in relation to public schools? Should the tax payer fund benefits claimants heroin bills? You suddenly remember that bold general statements are easy. Policy is hard.
> You have to be fucking joking
>
> https://twitter.com/HowlandRobin/status/1130505595516313606
Political class are quaking in their boots now.
> Farage claims that people like me have been radicalised. He's right.
> I've been radicalised by being called a traitor for holding a mainstream and compassionate political opinion. I have been radicalised by being called a citizen of nowhere for daring to be a *migrant*. I have been radicalised by the lack of accountability for those who have broken the law to win votes.
>
> I have been radicalised by the fact that real life fascists like Putin are influencing our politics, and radicalising others, whilst nothing is being done about it.
>
> I choose to channel my radicalism in ways that do not involve spilling drinks on people. But my sympathy for him having to dry clean his suit is less than it would have been before he and his AfD, FN and Kremlin-backed chums radicalised me.
Brilliant post . Thanks for putting into words how so many Remainers feel.
> On topic I had not appreciated that we had not had Euro elections when we were not doing something more important such as deciding who gets to empty our bins since 1999. I suspect that the number of people who actually give a rats arse about this is being seriously exaggerated. Turnout may prove to be truly pitiful.
I think turnout will surprise you on the upside. Not that I intend to bet on it, but I think >50% a real possibility
When they find none, they can leave again without having done any harm.
Anything else on the other hand...
> Just thought of an interesting comparison that could be made using the Euro election results: we could see if any areas that voted Leave at the referendum switch to more than 50% voting for Remain-supporting parties and vice versa.
>
> Surely the more interesting comparison will be with turnout? If it skyrockets in Remain areas and plummets elsewhere, that suggests Leavers are losing interest.
>
> Anything else on the other hand...
I'm not sure how you would judge turnout, because at the referendum it was 71% overall and it's going to be about 40% on Thursday.
> Must be only a matter of time before someone lactates on Nige.
>
>
>
> https://twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status/1130454429134671875
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>
>
> That poster is very funny.
>
> They’re basically paying to advertise Nigel Farage and the Brexit Party for him.
>
> Maybe they should describe themselves as #donkeysledbydonkeys
>
> Probably helped secure a few thousand crosses in the box from religious conservative types who wouldn't normally vote Farage. If you read the whole interview, he isn't against breastfeeding in public at all.
>
> "“Let me get this clear, as I said on the radio and as I repeat now, I personally have no problem with mothers breastfeeding wherever they want,” he said. “What I said was - and it is immensely frustrating that I have to explain this - is that if the establishment in question, in this case Claridge’s, wants to maintain rules about this stuff, then that is up to them, as it should be. I remarked that perhaps they might ask women to sit in a corner. Did I say I believe they should have to? No. Did I say I personally endorse this concept? No..”
>
> It’s a perfectly reasonable point of view.
>
> I think they think if they just put up a picture of Nigel Farage on a poster and say LOOK, HE’S A TWAT! they will get some votes but really it’s an impotent sign of someone who just wants to do something to make themselves feel a bit better.
Its probably the same as his comments that foreign nationals should not automatically get HIV drug treatment on the NHS effectively on arrival as the NHS is intended for British citizens and long term permanent residents who have paid in to fund it. Liberal remainerdom is outraged - much if not most of the country agrees as they think its the National not the International Heath Service!
> I’m sure the Welsh who are flocking to Farage will also be bringing out the bunting and street parties when Airbus and other big companies up sticks and leave because of a no deal Brexit which their new hero supports .
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My God, what have we Welsh done !!
If we leave the EU, Labour MPs in Wales will not be able to get overseas education grants from Denmark to send their kids to private education at Atlantic College.
The Remainer in Chief, Steve Kinnock, might have to pay for his own kids private education.
If we leave the EU, the only Waitroses in Wales will have to shut down, and the wealthy will find it hard to pick up decent bottles of Chardonnay.
If we leave the EU, then the fantastic EU grants that have caused such wealth to flow into Wales will dry up.
He cried out twice, a cry that was no more than a breath: “‘The horror! The horror!”
https://twitter.com/BBCPeterH/status/1130522604605988864
> Just thought of an interesting comparison that could be made using the Euro election results: we could see if any areas that voted Leave at the referendum switch to more than 50% voting for Remain-supporting parties and vice versa.
>
> Surely the more interesting comparison will be with turnout? If it skyrockets in Remain areas and plummets elsewhere, that suggests Leavers are losing interest.
>
> Anything else on the other hand...
That would be skewed by the fact that the areas which recently had local elections , which might be expected to depress turnout, were more "Leavier" than the UK average.
"Ruth Townsley
@vintagecyclist
37m37 minutes ago
Bravo to Paul Crowther, good on you mate. Great that milkshakes have become a thing when it comes to the racists in our midst. I’d prefer acid but milkshakes will do for now I guess. Nigel Farage hit by milkshake during Newcastle walkabout"
https://twitter.com/vintagecyclist/status/1130532678808342528
You start with a milkshake, and within three hours you've got people publicly asking for acid to be used instead: a clear incitement of violence, and surely a criminal offence. And this at a time when acid attacks are mutilating people across the country.
Yet this woman thinks it is permissible to post this on Twitter, in her own name, and she works for a charity, as her handle proudly shows.
Both sides need to massively rein it in.
> > @williamglenn said:
> > Does Liz Truss think there’s no life outside London?
> >
> > https://twitter.com/asabenn/status/1130538095928139776?s=21
>
> Interesting insight into priorities from James Cleverly "We need houses in the South where there are good quality jobs."
> Not we need good quality jobs elsewhere, where there is affordable housing.
> Duly noted.
It's a lot easier to build a house than a viable business.
> > @LordWakefield said:
>
> > You have to be fucking joking
>
> > https://twitter.com/HowlandRobin/status/1130505595516313606
>
>
> Political class are quaking in their boots now.
>
> They could raid Labour's office, looking for evidence of a realistically costed policy.
>
> When they find none, they can leave again without having done any harm.
They could raid the Tories' office and disrupt their campaigning. Going by recent elections they could do with the help.
> > @ydoethur said:
> > Just thought of an interesting comparison that could be made using the Euro election results: we could see if any areas that voted Leave at the referendum switch to more than 50% voting for Remain-supporting parties and vice versa.
> > Surely the more interesting comparison will be with turnout? If it skyrockets in Remain areas and plummets elsewhere, that suggests Leavers are losing interest.
> > Anything else on the other hand...
> I'm not sure how you would judge turnout, because at the referendum it was 71% overall and it's going to be about 40% on Thursday.
>
> We assume it will be about 40%. That's one of the things to keep an eye on.
It's never been higher than 38.5% before, which was in 1994. I'm assuming it'll be a bit higher than usual despite the fact people voted only 3 weeks ago. In 1999 that situation resulted in a turnout of just 24%.
No, @Nigelb, not because it lacks an apostrophe where for some reason the poster obsesses about Stephen Kinnock's baby goats.
I genuinely never realised that there was a second Waitrose in Wales. I always assumed Abergavenny was the only one.
> Ooo er
>
> https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1130531979739451393?s=19
> https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1130530632541581312?s=19
> https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1130530433962303490?s=19
>
> Looks like the Welsh firewall has well and truly been broken for Labour.
>
>
If the Brexit Party are now just 2% off the lead in a Welsh Westminster poll not long until the UK follows I expect
> > @ydoethur said:
> > Just thought of an interesting comparison that could be made using the Euro election results: we could see if any areas that voted Leave at the referendum switch to more than 50% voting for Remain-supporting parties and vice versa.
> > Surely the more interesting comparison will be with turnout? If it skyrockets in Remain areas and plummets elsewhere, that suggests Leavers are losing interest.
> > Anything else on the other hand...
> I'm not sure how you would judge turnout, because at the referendum it was 71% overall and it's going to be about 40% on Thursday.
>
> We assume it will be about 40%. That's one of the things to keep an eye on.
Information required please!
Will individual counting centers declare their results or will they wait for the regional declaration?
Will the validate on Thursday/Friday or wait until sunday?
If they validate prior to count will they declare turnout?
> Did we catch this? Seems Dan Snow is now not so sure about his wild conspiracy theory. Until next time, folks;
>
> twitter.com/BBCPeterH/status/1130522604605988864
Its like Trump derangement syndrome. Highly intelligent people have gone totally bonkers and start whipping up weird conspiracy theories.
I am presuming what happened in Dan's case is he has somebody else open his mail and then left it in a big pile.
> > @dixiedean said:
> > > @williamglenn said:
> > > Does Liz Truss think there’s no life outside London?
> > >
> > > https://twitter.com/asabenn/status/1130538095928139776?s=21
> >
> > Interesting insight into priorities from James Cleverly "We need houses in the South where there are good quality jobs."
> > Not we need good quality jobs elsewhere, where there is affordable housing.
> > Duly noted.
>
> It's a lot easier to build a house than a viable business.
After the shafting the Tories got at the locals from nimby Home Counties LDs and Independents? A million new homes in the South East? Good luck.
The government is a huge procurer of business contracts as you well know.
And even were that the case a 2 pronged approach may possibly have merits.
> They could raid the Tories' office and disrupt their campaigning. Going by recent elections they could do with the help.
>
> Evidence please, for that outlandish claim that the Tories are campaigning.
That is definitely fake news....unless 5 people in a private suite at a footy ground talking to one reporter counts as campaigning.
> > @DavidL said:
> > > @dixiedean said:
> > > > @williamglenn said:
> > > > Does Liz Truss think there’s no life outside London?
> > > >
> > > > https://twitter.com/asabenn/status/1130538095928139776?s=21
> > >
> > > Interesting insight into priorities from James Cleverly "We need houses in the South where there are good quality jobs."
> > > Not we need good quality jobs elsewhere, where there is affordable housing.
> > > Duly noted.
> >
> > It's a lot easier to build a house than a viable business.
>
> After the shafting the Tories got at the locals from nimby Home Counties LDs and Independents? A million new homes in the South East? Good luck.
> The government is a huge procurer of business contracts as you well know.
> And even were that the case a 2 pronged approach may possibly have merits.
Truss is a libertarian rather than a Tory really and there already is a Libertarian Party in the UK if she wants to join
A head teacher at a primary school giving lessons on LGBT equality has received threatening emails and phone calls....
Shakeel Afsar is the leader of the Anderton Park protests, although he has no children at the school. He said 600 pupils were kept from school on Monday "to make it crystal clear we will not have our children indoctrinated or participating in any social engineering programmes which undermine our family values by promoting child sexualisation".
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-birmingham-48339080
>
> Truss is a libertarian rather than a Tory really and there already is a Libertarian Party in the UK if she wants to join
True Tories are all voting for the Brexit Party?
>
> You know, that post is really quite shocking.
>
> No, @Nigelb, not because it lacks an apostrophe where for some reason the poster obsesses about Stephen Kinnock's baby goats.
>
> I genuinely never realised that there was a second Waitrose in Wales. I always assumed Abergavenny was the only one.
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It is indeed very shocking.
There are Waitroses at Abergavenny, Cowbridge, Barry, Caldicott, Monmouth and two in Cardiff.
The same number as in Scotland!
The Waitrose site also claims there is one in Menai Bridge, but I can't say I have ever seen it.
> > @nico67 said:
>
> > I’m sure the Welsh who are flocking to Farage will also be bringing out the bunting and street parties when Airbus and other big companies up sticks and leave because of a no deal Brexit which their new hero supports .
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>
>
>
> My God, what have we Welsh done !!
> If we leave the EU, Labour MPs in Wales will not be able to get overseas education grants from Denmark to send their kids to private education at Atlantic College.
> The Remainer in Chief, Steve Kinnock, might have to pay for his own kids private education.
> If we leave the EU, the only Waitroses in Wales will have to shut down, and the wealthy will find it hard to pick up decent bottles of Chardonnay.
> If we leave the EU, then the fantastic EU grants that have caused such wealth to flow into Wales will dry up.
> He cried out twice, a cry that was no more than a breath: “‘The horror! The horror!”
>
> You know, that post is really quite shocking.
>
> No, @Nigelb, not because it lacks an apostrophe where for some reason the poster obsesses about Stephen Kinnock's baby goats.
>
> I genuinely never realised that there was a second Waitrose in Wales. I always assumed Abergavenny was the only one.
A quick google suggests both Cardiff and Swansea have them too. And still a leave majority? Wales is indeed a peculiar place.
> > @nico67 said:
>
> > > @felix said:
>
> > > > @nico67 said:
>
> > > > Corbyn after being egged continued his walkabout.
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> > > >
>
> > > > Farage the so called tough guy ran off to his car and gave a speech from the top of his bus .
>
> > >
>
> > > Are you making a point of any kind? If so consider that Corbyn was being an idiot in not taking rudimentary safety measures after what could as easily have been a knife as an egg.
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> >
>
> > My point is Farage likes to play a tough man of the people , the poor luv had some milkshake thrown onto his suit and ran away to his car before giving a speech from the top of his bus . Corbyn just got on with things and didn’t make a big deal over it .
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> >
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> > Farage is now pressing assault charges and playing the martyr , he had the cheek to call Remainers radicalized !
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> >
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> > Anyway we must start a hash tag
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> >
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> > Je Suis Nigel #
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> >
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> > The poor thing needs all the support we can muster after his traumatic experience !
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>
>
> It is interesting to compare his response with that of Arnold Schwarzenegger who was drop kicked in the back whilst opening an athletics event in South Africa a couple of days ago but chose not to press charges so as not to detract from the event he was trying to support. Certainly the bigger man in every way.
>
> Mmm, well done bringing about a state of affairs where his relative bigness is of any concern to anyone except his wife. You must be proud.
That is just an outright weird reply.
http://www.kevinlaurence.net/googlemaps/waitrose.html
Waitroses seem highly correlated with Remainia.
> > @brokenwheel said:
> > Did we catch this? Seems Dan Snow is now not so sure about his wild conspiracy theory. Until next time, folks;
> >
> > twitter.com/BBCPeterH/status/1130522604605988864
>
> Its like Trump derangement syndrome. Highly intelligent people have gone totally bonkers and start whipping up weird conspiracy theories.
>
> I am presuming what happened in Dan's case is he has somebody else open his mail and then left it in a big pile.
Seeing very intelligent people allegedly falling victim to conspiracy theories is very depressing and not something I thought I'd ever see. Shows how partisan and divided everyone is becoming.
> > @HYUFD said:
> >
> > Truss is a libertarian rather than a Tory really and there already is a Libertarian Party in the UK if she wants to join
>
> True Tories are all voting for the Brexit Party?
True Tories are still voting Tory on Thursday, of course to be a true Tory of the old school you don't mind being in an exclusive club of a very small minority!
> > @DavidL said:
> > > @dixiedean said:
> > > > @williamglenn said:
> > > > Does Liz Truss think there’s no life outside London?
> > > >
> > > > https://twitter.com/asabenn/status/1130538095928139776?s=21
> > >
> > > Interesting insight into priorities from James Cleverly "We need houses in the South where there are good quality jobs."
> > > Not we need good quality jobs elsewhere, where there is affordable housing.
> > > Duly noted.
> >
> > It's a lot easier to build a house than a viable business.
>
> After the shafting the Tories got at the locals from nimby Home Counties LDs and Independents? A million new homes in the South East? Good luck.
> The government is a huge procurer of business contracts as you well know.
> And even were that the case a 2 pronged approach may possibly have merits.
I am not suggesting that the policy makes any sense. I am not sure from my trips down where you would fit another million homes into the south east or the 2 million cars that would probably generate on the roads or the 2 million young goats into schools etc etc.
I am just pointing out that decades of attempts by government to create jobs oop north have had very, very mixed success to put it at its kindest.
> > @Richard_Tyndall said:
> > > @Cyclefree said:
> > > https://twitter.com/DanielHewittITV/status/1130490441844105216
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > This is madness. The vice chair of the Cons local party. Insane. Tories have lost their heads utterly.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The new leader has a mountain to climb to save their party.
> > >
> > > Are these Conservatives who are voting for other parties going to be slung out? Or does this only apply to Lord Heseltine?
> > >
> > > Well said. All those Tory councillors voting for a party other than Brexit should be expelled. If they won’t support their party why the hell should they have a say in electing the new leader.
> > >
> > > Is the Tory hierarchy just too frit these days?
> >
> > As I remember it was the Remainers who were screaming for people to be chucked out of the Tory party for supporting the Brexit Party several weeks ago but who were strangely quiet yesterday when Heseltine said he would be voting Lib Dem.
> >
> > Typical hypocritical Remainers.
>
> Hmm... You know, I'm rather tempted to pick up a McFlurry if Leavers try to force a no deal on the unwilling majority of this country.
>
> In fact I may give it both barrels with a strawberry hand spun shake by Burger King if you keep hiding behind the "you lost get over it" crap you "bridge builders" have been pulling over the past two years. Ever since the disgraceful "Citizen of the World" speech you clowns have gone out of your way to infuriate Remainers.
>
> So unless you want a holocaust of non-dairy oil based sludge and a dry cleaning bill that might well destabilize global markets, I think we should have a bit less of these childish anti Remainer insults...
>
> Anyway, that being said, I always liked Bugsy Malone and am rather hoping the performance of the Liberal Democrats this week might be the equivalent of the splurge gun massacre on the Tories...
You are another one who clearly doesn't have the first clue what you are talking about. Try actually finding out what people are advocating before going off the deep end. Your remarks are not so much childish as infantile.
> They could raid the Tories' office and disrupt their campaigning. Going by recent elections they could do with the help.
>
> Evidence please, for that outlandish claim that the Tories are campaigning.
Ah, you got me on that one.
Edit, actually I did get a leaflet. I am sure it mentioned the Euro elections somewhere. Sure it did.
> Imagine if it was blood. Or acid. This is madness and it must stop. We are British and this is not right.
>
> When the first politician gets acid thrown over them, the people cheering today because it's happening to a political opponent will feel deeply ashamed of themselves
Actually many on the left would cheer it.
Because anyone to the left of Corbyn is seen as a Nazi or far right, and it is apparently o.k to punch (or hurt) a Nazi.
> Talking of harassment....
>
> A head teacher at a primary school giving lessons on LGBT equality has received threatening emails and phone calls....
>
> Shakeel Afsar is the leader of the Anderton Park protests, although he has no children at the school. He said 600 pupils were kept from school on Monday "to make it crystal clear we will not have our children indoctrinated or participating in any social engineering programmes which undermine our family values by promoting child sexualisation".
>
> https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-birmingham-48339080<;
++++++
The situation is actually a lot worse than the BBC report implies.
Check this thread.
https://twitter.com/Amina_Lone/status/1130220180108455936
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/23/dan-snow-daughter-women-war
Given the inspiring story he could have told about how many women risked their lives (and in the case of e.g. Amy Johnson, lost them) to keep the RAF flying, I am forced to query the 'very intelligent' part of that post.
> An interesting map --
>
> http://www.kevinlaurence.net/googlemaps/waitrose.html
>
> Waitroses seem highly correlated with Remainia.
Hence my astonishment that there are so many in Wales which very definitely isn't.
> > @williamglenn said:
>
> > > @HYUFD said:
>
> > >
>
> > > Truss is a libertarian rather than a Tory really and there already is a Libertarian Party in the UK if she wants to join
>
> >
>
> > True Tories are all voting for the Brexit Party?
>
>
>
> True Tories are still voting Tory on Thursday, of course to be a true Tory of the old school you don't mind being in an exclusive club of a very small minority!
>
> Tories to come in a poor fourth on Thursday?
Maybe in seats but on the popular vote I suspect they will be behind the Greens who will suffer because their vote is too evenly distributed.
> > @williamglenn said:
>
> > > @HYUFD said:
>
> > >
>
> > > Truss is a libertarian rather than a Tory really and there already is a Libertarian Party in the UK if she wants to join
>
> >
>
> > True Tories are all voting for the Brexit Party?
>
>
>
> True Tories are still voting Tory on Thursday, of course to be a true Tory of the old school you don't mind being in an exclusive club of a very small minority!
>
> Tories to come in a poor fourth on Thursday?
Fourth would be a comparitively good result compared to where they probably will be.
> > @williamglenn said:
> > > @HYUFD said:
> > >
> > > Truss is a libertarian rather than a Tory really and there already is a Libertarian Party in the UK if she wants to join
> >
> > True Tories are all voting for the Brexit Party?
>
> True Tories are still voting Tory on Thursday
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Could have fooled me, sometimes it seems half the membership and a sizable portion of the MPs think the truest thing a Tory can do is vote against other Tories.
Not that I'm disputing that you get Fascists on the left!
https://twitter.com/TiceRichard/status/1130368282056384512
> > @dixiedean said:
> > > @DavidL said:
> > > > @dixiedean said:
> > > > > @williamglenn said:
> > > > > Does Liz Truss think there’s no life outside London?
> > > > >
> > > > > https://twitter.com/asabenn/status/1130538095928139776?s=21
> > > >
> > > > Interesting insight into priorities from James Cleverly "We need houses in the South where there are good quality jobs."
> > > > Not we need good quality jobs elsewhere, where there is affordable housing.
> > > > Duly noted.
> > >
> > > It's a lot easier to build a house than a viable business.
> >
> > After the shafting the Tories got at the locals from nimby Home Counties LDs and Independents? A million new homes in the South East? Good luck.
> > The government is a huge procurer of business contracts as you well know.
> > And even were that the case a 2 pronged approach may possibly have merits.
>
> I am not suggesting that the policy makes any sense. I am not sure from my trips down where you would fit another million homes into the south east or the 2 million cars that would probably generate on the roads or the 2 million young goats into schools etc etc.
>
> I am just pointing out that decades of attempts by government to create jobs oop north have had very, very mixed success to put it at its kindest.
There are plenty of jobs up North. We are close to full employment.
> Did we catch this? Seems Dan Snow is now not so sure about his wild conspiracy theory. Until next time, folks;
>
> https://twitter.com/BBCPeterH/status/1130522604605988864
Awfully quick to fly into theorising, wasn't he?
> > @brokenwheel said:
> > Did we catch this? Seems Dan Snow is now not so sure about his wild conspiracy theory. Until next time, folks;
> >
> > https://twitter.com/BBCPeterH/status/1130522604605988864
>
> Awfully quick to fly into theorising, wasn't he?
Rightly dismissed as fake news bollocks the moment it was posted on here.
> > @YBarddCwsc said:
> > An interesting map --
> >
> > http://www.kevinlaurence.net/googlemaps/waitrose.html
> >
> > Waitroses seem highly correlated with Remainia.
>
> Hence my astonishment that there are so many in Wales which very definitely isn't.
---
There are 4 Waitroses in Oxford alone.
Add in Oxfordshire for all those Cotswold LibDems to get their halloumi, and I am sure one highly prosperous English county has more Waitroses than Wales and Scotland combined.
https://twitter.com/YairNetanyahu/status/1130519170012123136
> > @DavidL said:
> > > @dixiedean said:
> > > > @DavidL said:
> > > > > @dixiedean said:
> > > > > > @williamglenn said:
> > > > > > Does Liz Truss think there’s no life outside London?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://twitter.com/asabenn/status/1130538095928139776?s=21
> > > > >
> > > > > Interesting insight into priorities from James Cleverly "We need houses in the South where there are good quality jobs."
> > > > > Not we need good quality jobs elsewhere, where there is affordable housing.
> > > > > Duly noted.
> > > >
> > > > It's a lot easier to build a house than a viable business.
> > >
> > > After the shafting the Tories got at the locals from nimby Home Counties LDs and Independents? A million new homes in the South East? Good luck.
> > > The government is a huge procurer of business contracts as you well know.
> > > And even were that the case a 2 pronged approach may possibly have merits.
> >
> > I am not suggesting that the policy makes any sense. I am not sure from my trips down where you would fit another million homes into the south east or the 2 million cars that would probably generate on the roads or the 2 million young goats into schools etc etc.
> >
> > I am just pointing out that decades of attempts by government to create jobs oop north have had very, very mixed success to put it at its kindest.
>
> There are plenty of jobs up North. We are close to full employment.
I thought that the qualification was "good" jobs. As a rough rule of thumb a "good" job should pay maybe 2x the national average. As in Scotland there is not nearly enough of these outside the public sector.
> Whoever would have thought that the Electoral Commission would make it a priority to investigate a party with an opaque donation structure where a worker convicted of money laundering offences plays a role?
As long as they are subjecting all other parties/organizations to the same rigorous screenings, then it's fine.
> > @kle4 said:
> > > @brokenwheel said:
> > > Did we catch this? Seems Dan Snow is now not so sure about his wild conspiracy theory. Until next time, folks;
> > >
> > > https://twitter.com/BBCPeterH/status/1130522604605988864
> >
> > Awfully quick to fly into theorising, wasn't he?
>
> Rightly dismissed as fake news bollocks the moment it was posted on here.
I assumed what happened was what happened with my poll card, in that it arrived in the same delivery as the Brexit leaflef, but I await further word.
> > @AlastairMeeks said:
> > Whoever would have thought that the Electoral Commission would make it a priority to investigate a party with an opaque donation structure where a worker convicted of money laundering offences plays a role?
>
> As long as they are subjecting all other parties/organizations to the same rigorous screenings, then it's fine.
You prioritise the ones who have been evasive, of course.
> Support for Farage from Netanyahu's son...
>
> https://twitter.com/YairNetanyahu/status/1130519170012123136
Notably not Le Pen though
> https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1130506078142291968?s=20
What a spectacularly useless and pointless question. Indulging us in our fantasies to boot, wishing someone else could be dealing with it.
> Wonderful. The party in first place in the polls and the body administering the election are having arguments with each other. Just what we needed.
I oppose Farage in every way possible but why on earth some on here get satisfaction at him being assaulted and for the electoral commission to raid his offices following a public appeal by Gordon Brown
This is exactly the mistakes the democrats made in the US and it must be adding many thousands to his vote
I never thought I would see the day the UK would follow the US into such divisive politics with the possibility that Farage becomes the UK's own Trump
These are very serious days for our Country and I do not see a saviour anywhere on the horizon
> > @RobD said:
> > > @kle4 said:
> > > > @brokenwheel said:
> > > > Did we catch this? Seems Dan Snow is now not so sure about his wild conspiracy theory. Until next time, folks;
> > > >
> > > > https://twitter.com/BBCPeterH/status/1130522604605988864
> > >
> > > Awfully quick to fly into theorising, wasn't he?
> >
> > Rightly dismissed as fake news bollocks the moment it was posted on here.
>
> I assumed what happened was what happened with my poll card, in that it arrived in the same delivery as the Brexit leaflef, but I await further word.
The inability to open an envelope competently is worrying.
Still he had the luck to get a job at an organisation where his dad was an important person.
> > @williamglenn said:
>
> > > @HYUFD said:
>
> > >
>
> > > Truss is a libertarian rather than a Tory really and there already is a Libertarian Party in the UK if she wants to join
>
> >
>
> > True Tories are all voting for the Brexit Party?
>
>
>
> True Tories are still voting Tory on Thursday, of course to be a true Tory of the old school you don't mind being in an exclusive club of a very small minority!
>
> Tories to come in a poor fourth on Thursday?
potential 5th behind greens
> Support for Farage from Netanyahu's son...
>
> https://twitter.com/YairNetanyahu/status/1130519170012123136
That's a, er, strong group of leaders.
> https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1130506078142291968?s=20
Can we assume Philip is on the panel?
Apparently not:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/14/world/europe/orban-hungary-antisemitism.html
> > @dixiedean said:
> > > @DavidL said:
> > > > @dixiedean said:
> > > > > @DavidL said:
> > > > > > @dixiedean said:
> > > > > > > @williamglenn said:
> > > > > > > Does Liz Truss think there’s no life outside London?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://twitter.com/asabenn/status/1130538095928139776?s=21
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Interesting insight into priorities from James Cleverly "We need houses in the South where there are good quality jobs."
> > > > > > Not we need good quality jobs elsewhere, where there is affordable housing.
> > > > > > Duly noted.
> > > > >
> > > > > It's a lot easier to build a house than a viable business.
> > > >
> > > > After the shafting the Tories got at the locals from nimby Home Counties LDs and Independents? A million new homes in the South East? Good luck.
> > > > The government is a huge procurer of business contracts as you well know.
> > > > And even were that the case a 2 pronged approach may possibly have merits.
> > >
> > > I am not suggesting that the policy makes any sense. I am not sure from my trips down where you would fit another million homes into the south east or the 2 million cars that would probably generate on the roads or the 2 million young goats into schools etc etc.
> > >
> > > I am just pointing out that decades of attempts by government to create jobs oop north have had very, very mixed success to put it at its kindest.
> >
> > There are plenty of jobs up North. We are close to full employment.
>
> I thought that the qualification was "good" jobs. As a rough rule of thumb a "good" job should pay maybe 2x the national average. As in Scotland there is not nearly enough of these outside the public sector.
An average job should allow you to buy a three bed semi in the same area.
A good job should allow you to buy a four bed detached in the same area.
I'm not sure how many average or good jobs London has on that definition.
Her being dead, meaning they couldn't have begun at all, would have been a very useful start.
> > @HYUFD said:
> > https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1130506078142291968?s=20
>
> Can we assume Philip is on the panel?
Or Juncker
>
> Still he had the luck to get a job at an organisation where his dad was an important person.
---
It was a rare bit of luck that his gifts were recognised by his father.
Or was it his uncle who popped round to discuss Socialism with his dad who spotted his talent?