This is irrelevant. Labour needs to attract Brexiters to ever form a majority. It's too late for them to go all out remain now anyway. That ship has floated off to Lib Dem and Green harbours.
Perfectly possible, as not all voters decide based on that single Shibboleth.
I suspect Dave will also be aiming fire at those who said in 2016 that No Deal was Project Fear but in 2019 say No Deal Brexit is the only true Brexit.
> @algarkirk said: > > @Morris_Dancer said: > > > On-topic: I still don't know how I'm voting. > > > > > > Spoiled ballot is currently the likeliest option. > > > > One trusts it will be spoiled in some style, Morris. May I suggest the following inscription: > > > > "Non amo te, Mrs May, nec possum dicere quare. > > Hoc tantum possum dicere: non amo te." > > "Quousque tandem abutere, Theresa, patientia nostra"
Are those not the words of one planning to overthrow the (Roman) state ?
> @Cyclefree said: > I suspect Dave will also be aiming fire at those who said in 2016 that No Deal was Project Fear but in 2019 say No Deal Brexit is the only true Brexit. > > > Have you been reading an advance copy?
Farage has spent years telling people they are getting screwed over by the establishment and now the people who voted Brexit feel as though they've been screwed over by the establishment.
It's been a consistently crude, uncomplicated and effective message from a bloke who's never going to be in a position of power, and he's in a hell of a halcyon period with it right now.
Power without responsibility: the prerogative of the harlot.
And isn’t there a lot of political adultery going on. Tory Britain has turned into Swingers’ Britain.
> @Cyclefree said: > https://twitter.com/DanielHewittITV/status/1130490441844105216 > > > > > > This is madness. The vice chair of the Cons local party. Insane. Tories have lost their heads utterly. > > > > The new leader has a mountain to climb to save their party. > > Are these Conservatives who are voting for other parties going to be slung out? Or does this only apply to Lord Heseltine? > > Well said. All those Tory councillors voting for a party other than Brexit should be expelled. If they won’t support their party why the hell should they have a say in electing the new leader. > > Is the Tory hierarchy just too frit these days?
why the hell should they have a say in electing the new leader.
because theyve been doing all the hard work for years and its not their fault eejits in London have screwed things up by not letting them elect the last one ?
> @Cyclefree said: > https://twitter.com/DanielHewittITV/status/1130490441844105216 > > > > > > This is madness. The vice chair of the Cons local party. Insane. Tories have lost their heads utterly. > > > > The new leader has a mountain to climb to save their party. > > Are these Conservatives who are voting for other parties going to be slung out? Or does this only apply to Lord Heseltine? > > Well said. All those Tory councillors voting for a party other than Brexit should be expelled. If they won’t support their party why the hell should they have a say in electing the new leader. > > Is the Tory hierarchy just too frit these days?
A bit harsh to sling Tories out for voting for a party other than Brexit. But perhaps not as harsh as slinging people out of a party where those in power are ignoring the wishes of the majority of their supporters.
You seem to be suggesting the party owns the members rather than the other way round.
Extraordinary. We might soon see crossover with Cons and ChUK. I can see panic setting in. Theresa will be forced out in ignominy, and the Tories will be begging Nigel to consider a merger.
> @Cyclefree said: > https://twitter.com/DanielHewittITV/status/1130490441844105216 > > > > > > This is madness. The vice chair of the Cons local party. Insane. Tories have lost their heads utterly. > > > > The new leader has a mountain to climb to save their party. > > Are these Conservatives who are voting for other parties going to be slung out? Or does this only apply to Lord Heseltine? > > Well said. All those Tory councillors voting for a party other than Brexit should be expelled. If they won’t support their party why the hell should they have a say in electing the new leader. > > Is the Tory hierarchy just too frit these days?
It seems like Theresa May is too weak to take disciplinary measures against anyone, whether it's MPs voting against a 3 line whip of local councillors voting for Brexit.
> @Alanbrooke said: > > why the hell should they have a say in electing the new leader. > > because theyve been doing all the hard work for years and its not their fault eejits in London have screwed things up by not letting them elect the last one ? ------
Brexit would have been fine if only Andrea Leadsom had been in charge?
> @Pulpstar said: > https://twitter.com/DanielHewittITV/status/1130490441844105216 > > > > > > This is madness. The vice chair of the Cons local party. Insane. Tories have lost their heads utterly. > > > > The new leader has a mountain to climb to save their party. > > It's ... essentially the Tory base. > > Not delivering any sort of Brexit could well kill the party.
It's not like they weren't warned. The current crop of MPs - both Conservative and Labour - thought they knew best.
> @Cyclefree said: > https://twitter.com/DanielHewittITV/status/1130490441844105216 > > > > > > This is madness. The vice chair of the Cons local party. Insane. Tories have lost their heads utterly. > > > > The new leader has a mountain to climb to save their party. > > Are these Conservatives who are voting for other parties going to be slung out? Or does this only apply to Lord Heseltine? > > Well said. All those Tory councillors voting for a party other than Brexit should be expelled. If they won’t support their party why the hell should they have a say in electing the new leader. > > Is the Tory hierarchy just too frit these days?
As I remember it was the Remainers who were screaming for people to be chucked out of the Tory party for supporting the Brexit Party several weeks ago but who were strangely quiet yesterday when Heseltine said he would be voting Lib Dem.
> @williamglenn said: > > @Alanbrooke said: > > > > why the hell should they have a say in electing the new leader. > > > > because theyve been doing all the hard work for years and its not their fault eejits in London have screwed things up by not letting them elect the last one ? > ------ > > Brexit would have been fine if only Andrea Leadsom had been in charge? >
No Idea, Leadsom wasnt a shoo in any more than Boris, Tory crownings - as has been remarked upon several times - have a tendancy to pick an unknown candidate
> This is madness. The vice chair of the Cons local party. Insane. Tories have lost their heads utterly.
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> The new leader has a mountain to climb to save their party.
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> Are these Conservatives who are voting for other parties going to be slung out? Or does this only apply to Lord Heseltine?
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> Well said. All those Tory councillors voting for a party other than Brexit should be expelled. If they won’t support their party why the hell should they have a say in electing the new leader.
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> Is the Tory hierarchy just too frit these days?
A bit harsh to sling Tories out for voting for a party other than Brexit. But perhaps not as harsh as slinging people out of a party where those in power are ignoring the wishes of the majority of their supporters.
You seem to be suggesting the party owns the members rather than the other way round.
If they’re not voting Tory they are hardly supporters of the party. If you join a party you have an obligation to support it not to do stuff which undermines it. Publicly saying that you are voting for another party is undermining the party you are a member of. Why then should you continue to enjoy the privileges of membership?
As I remember it was the Remainers who were screaming for people to be chucked out of the Tory party for supporting the Brexit Party several weeks ago but who were strangely quiet yesterday when Heseltine said he would be voting Lib Dem.
Typical hypocritical Remainers.
"The Remainers". As I recall, it was SOME remainers - just as it is now some leavers.
The hypocrisy is pretty evenly distributed on this one. What is perhaps 'typical' is your one-eyed view ?
> @Cyclefree said: > Farage has spent years telling people they are getting screwed over by the establishment and now the people who voted Brexit feel as though they've been screwed over by the establishment. > > > > It's been a consistently crude, uncomplicated and effective message from a bloke who's never going to be in a position of power, and he's in a hell of a halcyon period with it right now. > > Power without responsibility: the prerogative of the harlot. > > And isn’t there a lot of political adultery going on. Tory Britain has turned into Swingers’ Britain.
Swingers suggests at least a modicum of suburban order. We're Doggers' Britain, where anything (exhibitionism, voyeurism, masturbation, gang bangs) goes.
> @Foxy said: > Surely the vast majority of Tories would love Farage to be their leader. The only question now is would he accept the post if they offered it. > > Farage has a long record of falling out with colleagues. His rabble rousing is effective, his ability to run a cabinet zero.
He does seem to be very, very unsuited to be any where near government.
> Farage has spent years telling people they are getting screwed over by the establishment and now the people who voted Brexit feel as though they've been screwed over by the establishment.
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> It's been a consistently crude, uncomplicated and effective message from a bloke who's never going to be in a position of power, and he's in a hell of a halcyon period with it right now.
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> Power without responsibility: the prerogative of the harlot.
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> And isn’t there a lot of political adultery going on. Tory Britain has turned into Swingers’ Britain.
Swingers suggests at least a modicum of suburban order.
We're Doggers' Britain, where anything (exhibitionism, voyeurism, masturbation, gang bangs) goes.
> This is madness. The vice chair of the Cons local party. Insane. Tories have lost their heads utterly.
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> The new leader has a mountain to climb to save their party.
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> Are these Conservatives who are voting for other parties going to be slung out? Or does this only apply to Lord Heseltine?
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> Well said. All those Tory councillors voting for a party other than Brexit should be expelled. If they won’t support their party why the hell should they have a say in electing the new leader.
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> Is the Tory hierarchy just too frit these days?
As I remember it was the Remainers who were screaming for people to be chucked out of the Tory party for supporting the Brexit Party several weeks ago but who were strangely quiet yesterday when Heseltine said he would be voting Lib Dem.
Typical hypocritical Remainers.
Both Heseltine and Widdecombe accepted that they would likely be thrown out of the parth. The Tory councillors seem to be wanting their cake and eating it too.
> @Nigelb said: > As I remember it was the Remainers who were screaming for people to be chucked out of the Tory party for supporting the Brexit Party several weeks ago but who were strangely quiet yesterday when Heseltine said he would be voting Lib Dem. > > Typical hypocritical Remainers. > > "The Remainers". > As I recall, it was SOME remainers - just as it is now some leavers. > > The hypocrisy is pretty evenly distributed on this one. What is perhaps 'typical' is your one-eyed view ?
Not at all. Particularly given I have said repeatedly I don't think anyone should be kicked out of parties just for voting against them at times. It is the party fanatics who seem to think they 'own' the members.
Yes spill the beans ? In terms of Heseltine I doubt he will be losing too much sleep over this . He will also now act as a focus point for more disillusioned pro EU Tories.
Strangled the family alsatian after it savaged him I believe. It was reported that Heseltine had actually killed it, but it seems he had the vet in to put it down the day after.
> @nico67 said: > Corbyn after being egged continued his walkabout. > > Farage the so called tough guy ran off to his car and gave a speech from the top of his bus .
Are you making a point of any kind? If so consider that Corbyn was being an idiot in not taking rudimentary safety measures after what could as easily have been a knife as an egg.
I do hope that Tory councillors supporting the Brexit party are mindful of their responsibilities under data protection law. No sharing of canvassing information or membership lists etc.
> @GIN1138 said: > > @HYUFD said: > > https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1130514142450855936?s=20 > > Looks like everyone has pretty much made up their minds now. > > Just a matter of turnout now and whether the people who say they will vote TBP actually turn up on the day (same for Labour and Lib-Dems of course)
It is beginning to look like the Tories will indeed poll less than 10%. This will have one truly appalling consequence.
None of them should be thrown out. If the Tories threw out everyone who voted against them at some point they would no longer exist. They should be looking at why they no longer connect with members on either side of the argument rather than just throwing out people who have supported them for so long.
> @Foxy said: > Surely the vast majority of Tories would love Farage to be their leader. The only question now is would he accept the post if they offered it. > > Farage has a long record of falling out with colleagues. His rabble rousing is effective, his ability to run a cabinet zero.
Farage, love him or loathe him, is a politicial goliath versus many of the potential Tory candidates for the leadership. At least in terms of voter recognition and conviction.
> @NickPalmer said: > > @rottenborough said: > > > This is madness. The vice chair of the Cons local party. Insane. Tories have lost their heads utterly. > > > > The new leader has a mountain to climb to save their party. > > I think a problem is that everyone thinks the Euro elections are important but not serious. Important enough to bother to vote and vote differently from normal, but not serious enough to inhibit members from straying. I don't know any Labour members who are actually not voting Labour, but I know several who say "After careful thought I am sticking with Labour", as though it had been very much in doubt. They'd never do that for a GE or even for a local election.
I have had a number of conversations with party members, including councillors, in London which have left me with the strong impression they are not voting Labour. And the doorstep response has been very poor,
> @felix said: > > @nico67 said: > > Corbyn after being egged continued his walkabout. > > > > Farage the so called tough guy ran off to his car and gave a speech from the top of his bus . > > Are you making a point of any kind? If so consider that Corbyn was being an idiot in not taking rudimentary safety measures after what could as easily have been a knife as an egg.
My point is Farage likes to play a tough man of the people , the poor luv had some milkshake thrown onto his suit and ran away to his car before giving a speech from the top of his bus . Corbyn just got on with things and didn’t make a big deal over it .
Farage is now pressing assault charges and playing the martyr , he had the cheek to call Remainers radicalized !
Anyway we must start a hash tag
Je Suis Nigel #
The poor thing needs all the support we can muster after his traumatic experience !
Farage has spent years telling people they are getting screwed over by the establishment and now the people who voted Brexit feel as though they've been screwed over by the establishment.
It's been a consistently crude, uncomplicated and effective message from a bloke who's never going to be in a position of power, and he's in a hell of a halcyon period with it right now.
Power without responsibility: the prerogative of the harlot.
And isn’t there a lot of political adultery going on. Tory Britain has turned into Swingers’ Britain.
If that were true they might still be ahead in the polls.
None of them should be thrown out. If the Tories threw out everyone who voted against them at some point they would no longer exist. They should be looking at why they no longer connect with members on either side of the argument rather than just throwing out people who have supported them for so long.
It's not possible to connect with members on both sides of the argument. The Conservative Party has to choose.
What's that Sooty? They've already chosen? No, Mr Farage isn't a fascist, Sooty, and we don't like to use that word on children's TV.
> @Peter_the_Punter said: > > @GIN1138 said: > > > @HYUFD said: > > > https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1130514142450855936?s=20 > > > > Looks like everyone has pretty much made up their minds now. > > > > Just a matter of turnout now and whether the people who say they will vote TBP actually turn up on the day (same for Labour and Lib-Dems of course) > > It is beginning to look like the Tories will indeed poll less than 10%. This will have one truly appalling consequence. > > TSE's smugness will know no bounds.
Indeed so (and I hope those Tory members still voting for the party on Thursday like myself and BigG get a certificate as a result!)
Looks like it could be the first national election in UK history neither the Tories nor Labour have been in the top 2
> @Streeter said: > What's that Sooty? They've already chosen? No, Mr Farage isn't a fascist, Sooty, and we don't like to use that word on children's TV.
No Sooty, I can't tell you who has their hand up Mr Farage's bottom.
> @Streeter said: > > @TheScreamingEagles said: > > > Who would have thought that neither Ann Widdecombe and Michael Heseltine would no longer be in the Tory party. > > > > > > https://twitter.com/elliotttimes/status/1130515195225354240 > > > > > > None of them should be thrown out. If the Tories threw out everyone who voted against them at some point they would no longer exist. They should be looking at why they no longer connect with members on either side of the argument rather than just throwing out people who have supported them for so long. > > It's not possible to connect with members on both sides of the argument. The Conservative Party has to choose. > > What's that Sooty? They've already chosen? No, Mr Farage isn't a fascist, Sooty, and we don't like to use that word on children's TV.
Of course it is possible. As in all things it is possible for the Tory party to be a broad church and allow different views. If people choose to leave because they don't like what the Tory party has become then that is their affair. But to kick people out because they have chosen not to support the party over one specific area of policy is just stupid. If they carry on like that they will have no party left at all.
> @HYUFD said: > > @Peter_the_Punter said: > > > @GIN1138 said: > > > > @HYUFD said: > > > > https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1130514142450855936?s=20 > > > > > > Looks like everyone has pretty much made up their minds now. > > > > > > Just a matter of turnout now and whether the people who say they will vote TBP actually turn up on the day (same for Labour and Lib-Dems of course) > > > > It is beginning to look like the Tories will indeed poll less than 10%. This will have one truly appalling consequence. > > > > TSE's smugness will know no bounds. > > Indeed so (and I hope those Tory members still voting for the party on Thursday like myself and BigG get a certificate as a result!) > > Looks like it could be the first national election in UK history neither the Tories nor Labour have been in the top 2
Yes, a certificate and perhaps also a grant from the World Wildlife Fund to help save the species from extinction.
> @nico67 said: > > @felix said: > > > @nico67 said: > > > Corbyn after being egged continued his walkabout. > > > > > > Farage the so called tough guy ran off to his car and gave a speech from the top of his bus . > > > > Are you making a point of any kind? If so consider that Corbyn was being an idiot in not taking rudimentary safety measures after what could as easily have been a knife as an egg. > > My point is Farage likes to play a tough man of the people , the poor luv had some milkshake thrown onto his suit and ran away to his car before giving a speech from the top of his bus . Corbyn just got on with things and didn’t make a big deal over it . > > Farage is now pressing assault charges and playing the martyr , he had the cheek to call Remainers radicalized ! > > Anyway we must start a hash tag > > Je Suis Nigel # > > The poor thing needs all the support we can muster after his traumatic experience !
It is interesting to compare his response with that of Arnold Schwarzenegger who was drop kicked in the back whilst opening an athletics event in South Africa a couple of days ago but chose not to press charges so as not to detract from the event he was trying to support. Certainly the bigger man in every way.
They’re basically paying to advertise Nigel Farage and the Brexit Party for him.
Maybe they should describe themselves as #donkeysledbydonkeys
Probably helped secure a few thousand crosses in the box from religious conservative types who wouldn't normally vote Farage. If you read the whole interview, he isn't against breastfeeding in public at all.
"“Let me get this clear, as I said on the radio and as I repeat now, I personally have no problem with mothers breastfeeding wherever they want,” he said. “What I said was - and it is immensely frustrating that I have to explain this - is that if the establishment in question, in this case Claridge’s, wants to maintain rules about this stuff, then that is up to them, as it should be. I remarked that perhaps they might ask women to sit in a corner. Did I say I believe they should have to? No. Did I say I personally endorse this concept? No..”
It is interesting to compare his response with that of Arnold Schwarzenegger who was drop kicked in the back whilst opening an athletics event in South Africa a couple of days ago but chose not to press charges so as not to detract from the event he was trying to support. Certainly the bigger man in every way.
The difference is, by pressing charges Farage attracts attention to the event he is trying to support
> @Peter_the_Punter said: > > @HYUFD said: > > > @Peter_the_Punter said: > > > > @GIN1138 said: > > > > > @HYUFD said: > > > > > https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1130514142450855936?s=20 > > > > > > > > Looks like everyone has pretty much made up their minds now. > > > > > > > > Just a matter of turnout now and whether the people who say they will vote TBP actually turn up on the day (same for Labour and Lib-Dems of course) > > > > > > It is beginning to look like the Tories will indeed poll less than 10%. This will have one truly appalling consequence. > > > > > > TSE's smugness will know no bounds. > > > > Indeed so (and I hope those Tory members still voting for the party on Thursday like myself and BigG get a certificate as a result!) > > > > Looks like it could be the first national election in UK history neither the Tories nor Labour have been in the top 2 > > Yes, a certificate and perhaps also a grant from the World Wildlife Fund to help save the species from extinction. > > Good luck.
Though the WWF does have the advantage most of its donors have not yet turned poachers
Farage has spent years telling people they are getting screwed over by the establishment and now the people who voted Brexit feel as though they've been screwed over by the establishment.
It's been a consistently crude, uncomplicated and effective message from a bloke who's never going to be in a position of power, and he's in a hell of a halcyon period with it right now.
Power without responsibility: the prerogative of the harlot.
snip
A seriously weird dictum, I have always thought. Given that phrase with the word "harlot" left out, most people would not have it in their top thousand guesses to fill in the blank. What power is the average prostitute though to wield, over whom?
> @Richard_Tyndall said: > > @Streeter said: > > > @TheScreamingEagles said: > > > > > Who would have thought that neither Ann Widdecombe and Michael Heseltine would no longer be in the Tory party. > > > > > > > > > > https://twitter.com/elliotttimes/status/1130515195225354240 > > > > > > > > > > > > None of them should be thrown out. If the Tories threw out everyone who voted against them at some point they would no longer exist. They should be looking at why they no longer connect with members on either side of the argument rather than just throwing out people who have supported them for so long. > > > > It's not possible to connect with members on both sides of the argument. The Conservative Party has to choose. > > > > What's that Sooty? They've already chosen? No, Mr Farage isn't a fascist, Sooty, and we don't like to use that word on children's TV. > > Of course it is possible. As in all things it is possible for the Tory party to be a broad church and allow different views. If people choose to leave because they don't like what the Tory party has become then that is their affair. But to kick people out because they have chosen not to support the party over one specific area of policy is just stupid. If they carry on like that they will have no party left at all.
I disagree there. If a party member feels so strongly about policy that they go so far as to advocate in public sopport for another party , he/she should have membership removed. Had Heseltine restricted himself to voting LibDem in the privacy of the polling booth, it would have been a different matter - and others would have been none the wiser. I know personally of Green and LibDem members who have voted Labour tactically at Parliamentary elections - but have not declared that in public.
> @KentRising said: > > @Foxy said: > > Surely the vast majority of Tories would love Farage to be their leader. The only question now is would he accept the post if they offered it. > > > > Farage has a long record of falling out with colleagues. His rabble rousing is effective, his ability to run a cabinet zero. > > Farage, love him or loathe him, is a politicial goliath versus many of the potential Tory candidates for the leadership. At least in terms of voter recognition and conviction.
They’re basically paying to advertise Nigel Farage and the Brexit Party for him.
Maybe they should describe themselves as #donkeysledbydonkeys
Probably helped secure a few thousand crosses in the box from religious conservative types who wouldn't normally vote Farage. If you read the whole interview, he isn't against breastfeeding in public at all.
"“Let me get this clear, as I said on the radio and as I repeat now, I personally have no problem with mothers breastfeeding wherever they want,” he said. “What I said was - and it is immensely frustrating that I have to explain this - is that if the establishment in question, in this case Claridge’s, wants to maintain rules about this stuff, then that is up to them, as it should be. I remarked that perhaps they might ask women to sit in a corner. Did I say I believe they should have to? No. Did I say I personally endorse this concept? No..”
Nige seems to be employing more tortuous reasoning than you'd find in the typical Brendan O'Neill article.
> @nico67 said: > > @felix said: > > > @nico67 said: > > > Corbyn after being egged continued his walkabout. > > > > > > Farage the so called tough guy ran off to his car and gave a speech from the top of his bus . > > > > Are you making a point of any kind? If so consider that Corbyn was being an idiot in not taking rudimentary safety measures after what could as easily have been a knife as an egg. > > My point is Farage likes to play a tough man of the people , the poor luv had some milkshake thrown onto his suit and ran away to his car before giving a speech from the top of his bus . Corbyn just got on with things and didn’t make a big deal over it . > > Farage is now pressing assault charges and playing the martyr , he had the cheek to call Remainers radicalized ! > > Anyway we must start a hash tag > > Je Suis Nigel # > > The poor thing needs all the support we can muster after his traumatic experience !
Imagine if it was blood. Or acid. This is madness and it must stop. We are British and this is not right.
Imagine if it was blood. Or acid. This is madness and it must stop. We are British and this is not right.
When the first politician gets acid thrown over them, the people cheering today because it's happening to a political opponent will feel deeply ashamed of themselves
> @MarqueeMark said: > > @KentRising said: > > > @Foxy said: > > > Surely the vast majority of Tories would love Farage to be their leader. The only question now is would he accept the post if they offered it. > > > > > > Farage has a long record of falling out with colleagues. His rabble rousing is effective, his ability to run a cabinet zero. > > > > Farage, love him or loathe him, is a politicial goliath versus many of the potential Tory candidates for the leadership. At least in terms of voter recognition and conviction. > > But well behind Boris.
> @ExiledInScotland said: > > @nico67 said: > > > @felix said: > > > > @nico67 said: > > > > Corbyn after being egged continued his walkabout. > > > > > > > > Farage the so called tough guy ran off to his car and gave a speech from the top of his bus . > > > > > > Are you making a point of any kind? If so consider that Corbyn was being an idiot in not taking rudimentary safety measures after what could as easily have been a knife as an egg. > > > > My point is Farage likes to play a tough man of the people , the poor luv had some milkshake thrown onto his suit and ran away to his car before giving a speech from the top of his bus . Corbyn just got on with things and didn’t make a big deal over it . > > > > Farage is now pressing assault charges and playing the martyr , he had the cheek to call Remainers radicalized ! > > > > Anyway we must start a hash tag > > > > Je Suis Nigel # > > > > The poor thing needs all the support we can muster after his traumatic experience ! > > Imagine if it was blood. Or acid. This is madness and it must stop. We are British and this is not right.
That man shook my hand! Imagine if he had shot me in the face instead. This is madness!
Farage has spent years telling people they are getting screwed over by the establishment and now the people who voted Brexit feel as though they've been screwed over by the establishment.
It's been a consistently crude, uncomplicated and effective message from a bloke who's never going to be in a position of power, and he's in a hell of a halcyon period with it right now.
Power without responsibility: the prerogative of the harlot.
snip
A seriously weird dictum, I have always thought. Given that phrase with the word "harlot" left out, most people would not have it in their top thousand guesses to fill in the blank. What power is the average prostitute though to wield, over whom?
It was used to describe the press.
I think the sorts of harlots being referred to are not your average street prostitutes but grander ones holding sway over powerful men.
> > > Corbyn after being egged continued his walkabout.
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> > Are you making a point of any kind? If so consider that Corbyn was being an idiot in not taking rudimentary safety measures after what could as easily have been a knife as an egg.
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> My point is Farage likes to play a tough man of the people , the poor luv had some milkshake thrown onto his suit and ran away to his car before giving a speech from the top of his bus . Corbyn just got on with things and didn’t make a big deal over it .
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> Farage is now pressing assault charges and playing the martyr , he had the cheek to call Remainers radicalized !
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> Anyway we must start a hash tag
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> Je Suis Nigel #
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> The poor thing needs all the support we can muster after his traumatic experience !
Imagine if it was blood. Or acid. This is madness and it must stop. We are British and this is not right.
> > > Corbyn after being egged continued his walkabout.
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> > > Farage the so called tough guy ran off to his car and gave a speech from the top of his bus .
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> > Are you making a point of any kind? If so consider that Corbyn was being an idiot in not taking rudimentary safety measures after what could as easily have been a knife as an egg.
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> My point is Farage likes to play a tough man of the people , the poor luv had some milkshake thrown onto his suit and ran away to his car before giving a speech from the top of his bus . Corbyn just got on with things and didn’t make a big deal over it .
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> Farage is now pressing assault charges and playing the martyr , he had the cheek to call Remainers radicalized !
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> Anyway we must start a hash tag
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> Je Suis Nigel #
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> The poor thing needs all the support we can muster after his traumatic experience !
It is interesting to compare his response with that of Arnold Schwarzenegger who was drop kicked in the back whilst opening an athletics event in South Africa a couple of days ago but chose not to press charges so as not to detract from the event he was trying to support. Certainly the bigger man in every way.
Mmm, well done bringing about a state of affairs where his relative bigness is of any concern to anyone except his wife. You must be proud.
> @Casino_Royale said: > Must be only a matter of time before someone lactates on Nige. > > > > https://twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status/1130454429134671875 > > > > That poster is very funny. > > They’re basically paying to advertise Nigel Farage and the Brexit Party for him. > > Maybe they should describe themselves as #donkeysledbydonkeys
Mirror imaging of the highest order. Those making the poster think that the message is so obviously awful that it could only hurt Farage. While I personally do not agree with the message, I can imagine many TBP supporters do. Hardly likely to sway a vote either way.
Farage has spent years telling people they are getting screwed over by the establishment and now the people who voted Brexit feel as though they've been screwed over by the establishment.
It's been a consistently crude, uncomplicated and effective message from a bloke who's never going to be in a position of power, and he's in a hell of a halcyon period with it right now.
Power without responsibility: the prerogative of the harlot.
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A seriously weird dictum, I have always thought. Given that phrase with the word "harlot" left out, most people would not have it in their top thousand guesses to fill in the blank. What power is the average prostitute though to wield, over whom?
It was used to describe the press.
I think the sorts of harlots being referred to are not your average street prostitutes but grander ones holding sway over powerful men.
> @isam said: > Imagine if it was blood. Or acid. This is madness and it must stop. We are British and this is not right. > > When the first politician gets acid thrown over them, the people cheering today because it's happening to a political opponent will feel deeply ashamed of themselves
If Farage suffered an acid attack I'm sure they'd find some way of justifying it...
> @isam said: > > When the first politician gets acid thrown over them, the people cheering today because it's happening to a political opponent will feel deeply ashamed of themselves
You don't have to approve of it to find that a ridiculous comparison. Throwing harmless food substances has happened many times in the past.
> @Streeter said: > > @nico67 said: > > > > @felix said: > > > > > @nico67 said: > > > > > Corbyn after being egged continued his walkabout. > > > > > > > > > > Farage the so called tough guy ran off to his car and gave a speech from the top of his bus . > > > > > > > > Are you making a point of any kind? If so consider that Corbyn was being an idiot in not taking rudimentary safety measures after what could as easily have been a knife as an egg. > > > > > > My point is Farage likes to play a tough man of the people , the poor luv had some milkshake thrown onto his suit and ran away to his car before giving a speech from the top of his bus . Corbyn just got on with things and didn’t make a big deal over it . > > > > > > Farage is now pressing assault charges and playing the martyr , he had the cheek to call Remainers radicalized ! > > > > > > Anyway we must start a hash tag > > > > > > Je Suis Nigel # > > > > > > The poor thing needs all the support we can muster after his traumatic experience ! > > > > Imagine if it was blood. Or acid. This is madness and it must stop. We are British and this is not right. > > It's bleedin' funny though, eh?
No. It gives people legitimate cause to feel pity for Farage. Is that "bleedin' funny"?
> @williamglenn said: > > @isam said: > > > > When the first politician gets acid thrown over them, the people cheering today because it's happening to a political opponent will feel deeply ashamed of themselves > > You don't have to approve of it to find that a ridiculous comparison. Throwing harmless food substances has happened many times in the past.
And it was wrong then too. Not everyone agrees which ones deserve it, and how much they deserve. I find it incredible people are even debating the point, it rather shows up how superficial some peoples' concerns really are. Arseholes can be taken down without becoming arseholes ourselves, without adding to the grievances of their supporters.
> @isam said: >> Imagine if it was blood. Or acid. This is madness and it must stop. We are British and this is not right. >> > When the first politician gets acid thrown over them, the people cheering today because it's happening to a political opponent will feel deeply ashamed of themselves
I think they won't. Cognitive dissonance will kick in and they will find a way to dissociate the act from their point of view, finding some difference between the attacker and themselves to justify that.
As I have said before, lots of posts here use language that people should reflect on before they click Post Comment. Some people feel passionate and angry but project all of that to blame those on the other side of the argument as bad people. If you do that then you are part of the problem.
The only people we should feel anger towards are the Vanilla techs who have messed up the blockquote system.
> @ExiledInScotland said: > > @nico67 said: > > > @felix said: > > > > @nico67 said: > > > > Corbyn after being egged continued his walkabout. > > > > > > > > Farage the so called tough guy ran off to his car and gave a speech from the top of his bus . > > > > > > Are you making a point of any kind? If so consider that Corbyn was being an idiot in not taking rudimentary safety measures after what could as easily have been a knife as an egg. > > > > My point is Farage likes to play a tough man of the people , the poor luv had some milkshake thrown onto his suit and ran away to his car before giving a speech from the top of his bus . Corbyn just got on with things and didn’t make a big deal over it . > > > > Farage is now pressing assault charges and playing the martyr , he had the cheek to call Remainers radicalized ! > > > > Anyway we must start a hash tag > > > > Je Suis Nigel # > > > > The poor thing needs all the support we can muster after his traumatic experience ! > > Imagine if it was blood. Or acid. This is madness and it must stop. We are British and this is not right.
It wasn’t blood or acid.
Nigel Farage has spent years whipping up hatred and division. He uses the language of betrayal and treachery. Many on the hard right take him at his word. The same people who are appalled that Nigel Farage has felt the firm hand of Mr Whippy today have been conspicuously uninterested in actual attempts to kill MPs made by those inspired by the ravings of the hard right.
As you sow, so shall you reap. If Nigel Farage were to reflect on the consequences of fomenting division, some good could come of this.
It won’t, of course, because Nigel Farage’s whole schtick is to make people angry.
> @williamglenn said: > > @isam said: > > > > When the first politician gets acid thrown over them, the people cheering today because it's happening to a political opponent will feel deeply ashamed of themselves > > You don't have to approve of it to find that a ridiculous comparison. Throwing harmless food substances has happened many times in the past.
It should not happen, because it is a waste of food substances.
> > When the first politician gets acid thrown over them, the people cheering today because it's happening to a political opponent will feel deeply ashamed of themselves
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> You don't have to approve of it to find that a ridiculous comparison. Throwing harmless food substances has happened many times in the past.
It should not happen, because it is a waste of food substances.
> @Richard_Tyndall said: > > @Cyclefree said: > > https://twitter.com/DanielHewittITV/status/1130490441844105216 > > > > > > > > > > > > This is madness. The vice chair of the Cons local party. Insane. Tories have lost their heads utterly. > > > > > > > > The new leader has a mountain to climb to save their party. > > > > Are these Conservatives who are voting for other parties going to be slung out? Or does this only apply to Lord Heseltine? > > > > Well said. All those Tory councillors voting for a party other than Brexit should be expelled. If they won’t support their party why the hell should they have a say in electing the new leader. > > > > Is the Tory hierarchy just too frit these days? > > As I remember it was the Remainers who were screaming for people to be chucked out of the Tory party for supporting the Brexit Party several weeks ago but who were strangely quiet yesterday when Heseltine said he would be voting Lib Dem. > > Typical hypocritical Remainers.
Hmm... You know, I'm rather tempted to pick up a McFlurry if Leavers try to force a no deal on the unwilling majority of this country.
In fact I may give it both barrels with a strawberry hand spun shake by Burger King if you keep hiding behind the "you lost get over it" crap you "bridge builders" have been pulling over the past two years. Ever since the disgraceful "Citizen of the World" speech you clowns have gone out of your way to infuriate Remainers.
So unless you want a holocaust of non-dairy oil based sludge and a dry cleaning bill that might well destabilize global markets, I think we should have a bit less of these childish anti Remainer insults...
Anyway, that being said, I always liked Bugsy Malone and am rather hoping the performance of the Liberal Democrats this week might be the equivalent of the splurge gun massacre on the Tories...
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No. It gives people legitimate cause to feel pity for Farage. Is that "bleedin' funny"?
If you think that will be the majority reaction you are a very poor judge of people.
> @MarqueeMark said: > > @Streeter said: > > > @nico67 said: > > > > > > @felix said: > > > > > > > @nico67 said: > > > > > > > Corbyn after being egged continued his walkabout. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Farage the so called tough guy ran off to his car and gave a speech from the top of his bus . > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you making a point of any kind? If so consider that Corbyn was being an idiot in not taking rudimentary safety measures after what could as easily have been a knife as an egg. > > > > > > > > > > My point is Farage likes to play a tough man of the people , the poor luv had some milkshake thrown onto his suit and ran away to his car before giving a speech from the top of his bus . Corbyn just got on with things and didn’t make a big deal over it . > > > > > > > > > > Farage is now pressing assault charges and playing the martyr , he had the cheek to call Remainers radicalized ! > > > > > > > > > > Anyway we must start a hash tag > > > > > > > > > > Je Suis Nigel # > > > > > > > > > > The poor thing needs all the support we can muster after his traumatic experience ! > > > > > > > > Imagine if it was blood. Or acid. This is madness and it must stop. We are British and this is not right. > > > > It's bleedin' funny though, eh? > > No. It gives people legitimate cause to feel pity for Farage. Is that "bleedin' funny"?
> They’re basically paying to advertise Nigel Farage and the Brexit Party for him.
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> Maybe they should describe themselves as #donkeysledbydonkeys
Mirror imaging of the highest order. Those making the poster think that the message is so obviously awful that it could only hurt Farage. While I personally do not agree with the message, I can imagine many TBP supporters do. Hardly likely to sway a vote either way.
It's also completely pointless. It's in Islington, how many people in Islington are voting for Nige?
They’re basically paying to advertise Nigel Farage and the Brexit Party for him.
Maybe they should describe themselves as #donkeysledbydonkeys
Probably helped secure a few thousand crosses in the box from religious conservative types who wouldn't normally vote Farage. If you read the whole interview, he isn't against breastfeeding in public at all.
"“Let me get this clear, as I said on the radio and as I repeat now, I personally have no problem with mothers breastfeeding wherever they want,” he said. “What I said was - and it is immensely frustrating that I have to explain this - is that if the establishment in question, in this case Claridge’s, wants to maintain rules about this stuff, then that is up to them, as it should be. I remarked that perhaps they might ask women to sit in a corner. Did I say I believe they should have to? No. Did I say I personally endorse this concept? No..”
It’s a perfectly reasonable point of view.
I think they think if they just put up a picture of Nigel Farage on a poster and say LOOK, HE’S A TWAT! they will get some votes but really it’s an impotent sign of someone who just wants to do something to make themselves feel a bit better.
Sunil, thanks for taking the time to compile all this. These elections are happening under such unique circumstances, who knows. They are now becoming just a substitute second ref/peoples vote, and everyone will be able to interpret the result to suit their own desires. The remain grouping is split over many groups which will allow the single Farage group to claim victory, meanwhile others will add up the remain groups,and also claim victory. It is just a mess, and I have pretty much dropped out, and will concentrate on looking after my family.
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> https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1130514142450855936?s=20
Peak BXP?
Have you been reading an advance copy?
> > @HYUFD said:
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> Peak BXP?
Peak LD and Green?
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> "Non amo te, Mrs May, nec possum dicere quare.
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> Hoc tantum possum dicere: non amo te."
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> "Quousque tandem abutere, Theresa, patientia nostra"
Are those not the words of one planning to overthrow the (Roman) state ?
Allegedly.
> I suspect Dave will also be aiming fire at those who said in 2016 that No Deal was Project Fear but in 2019 say No Deal Brexit is the only true Brexit.
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He wrote it. It's a love story.
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> Peak LD and Green?
Change UK surging!
And isn’t there a lot of political adultery going on. Tory Britain has turned into Swingers’ Britain.
> https://twitter.com/DanielHewittITV/status/1130490441844105216
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> Are these Conservatives who are voting for other parties going to be slung out? Or does this only apply to Lord Heseltine?
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> Well said. All those Tory councillors voting for a party other than Brexit should be expelled. If they won’t support their party why the hell should they have a say in electing the new leader.
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> Is the Tory hierarchy just too frit these days?
why the hell should they have a say in electing the new leader.
because theyve been doing all the hard work for years and its not their fault eejits in London have screwed things up by not letting them elect the last one ?
> https://twitter.com/DanielHewittITV/status/1130490441844105216
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> Are these Conservatives who are voting for other parties going to be slung out? Or does this only apply to Lord Heseltine?
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> Well said. All those Tory councillors voting for a party other than Brexit should be expelled. If they won’t support their party why the hell should they have a say in electing the new leader.
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> Is the Tory hierarchy just too frit these days?
A bit harsh to sling Tories out for voting for a party other than Brexit. But perhaps not as harsh as slinging people out of a party where those in power are ignoring the wishes of the majority of their supporters.
You seem to be suggesting the party owns the members rather than the other way round.
> https://twitter.com/DanielHewittITV/status/1130490441844105216
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> Are these Conservatives who are voting for other parties going to be slung out? Or does this only apply to Lord Heseltine?
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> Well said. All those Tory councillors voting for a party other than Brexit should be expelled. If they won’t support their party why the hell should they have a say in electing the new leader.
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> Is the Tory hierarchy just too frit these days?
It seems like Theresa May is too weak to take disciplinary measures against anyone, whether it's MPs voting against a 3 line whip of local councillors voting for Brexit.
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Brexit would have been fine if only Andrea Leadsom had been in charge?
> https://twitter.com/DanielHewittITV/status/1130490441844105216
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> Not delivering any sort of Brexit could well kill the party.
It's not like they weren't warned. The current crop of MPs - both Conservative and Labour - thought they knew best.
They didn't.
> https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1130514142450855936?s=20
Looks like everyone has pretty much made up their minds now.
Just a matter of turnout now and whether the people who say they will vote TBP actually turn up on the day (same for Labour and Lib-Dems of course)
Farage the so called tough guy ran off to his car and gave a speech from the top of his bus .
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> Well said. All those Tory councillors voting for a party other than Brexit should be expelled. If they won’t support their party why the hell should they have a say in electing the new leader.
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As I remember it was the Remainers who were screaming for people to be chucked out of the Tory party for supporting the Brexit Party several weeks ago but who were strangely quiet yesterday when Heseltine said he would be voting Lib Dem.
Typical hypocritical Remainers.
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No Idea, Leadsom wasnt a shoo in any more than Boris, Tory crownings - as has been remarked upon several times - have a tendancy to pick an unknown candidate
As I recall, it was SOME remainers - just as it is now some leavers.
The hypocrisy is pretty evenly distributed on this one. What is perhaps 'typical' is your one-eyed view ?
> Farage has spent years telling people they are getting screwed over by the establishment and now the people who voted Brexit feel as though they've been screwed over by the establishment.
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> Power without responsibility: the prerogative of the harlot.
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> And isn’t there a lot of political adultery going on. Tory Britain has turned into Swingers’ Britain.
Swingers suggests at least a modicum of suburban order.
We're Doggers' Britain, where anything (exhibitionism, voyeurism, masturbation, gang bangs) goes.
"How did pollsters get the Australian election result so wrong?"
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2203837-how-did-pollsters-get-the-australian-election-result-so-wrong/
> Surely the vast majority of Tories would love Farage to be their leader. The only question now is would he accept the post if they offered it.
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> Farage has a long record of falling out with colleagues. His rabble rousing is effective, his ability to run a cabinet zero.
He does seem to be very, very unsuited to be any where near government.
https://twitter.com/elliotttimes/status/1130515195225354240
> https://twitter.com/ProfChalmers/status/1130519496454807553
What was the dog thing? Sounds like some juicy gossip
> As I remember it was the Remainers who were screaming for people to be chucked out of the Tory party for supporting the Brexit Party several weeks ago but who were strangely quiet yesterday when Heseltine said he would be voting Lib Dem.
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> As I recall, it was SOME remainers - just as it is now some leavers.
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> The hypocrisy is pretty evenly distributed on this one. What is perhaps 'typical' is your one-eyed view ?
Not at all. Particularly given I have said repeatedly I don't think anyone should be kicked out of parties just for voting against them at times. It is the party fanatics who seem to think they 'own' the members.
Do try and keep up Nigel.
> > @Theuniondivvie said:
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Yes spill the beans ? In terms of Heseltine I doubt he will be losing too much sleep over this . He will also now act as a focus point for more disillusioned pro EU Tories.
" ...... I was entirely innocent."
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The PB equivalent of "the cheques is in the post."
> > @Theuniondivvie said:
> > https://twitter.com/ProfChalmers/status/1130519496454807553
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> What was the dog thing? Sounds like some juicy gossip
Strangled the family alsatian after it savaged him I believe.
It was reported that Heseltine had actually killed it, but it seems he had the vet in to put it down the day after.
> Corbyn after being egged continued his walkabout.
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> Farage the so called tough guy ran off to his car and gave a speech from the top of his bus .
Are you making a point of any kind? If so consider that Corbyn was being an idiot in not taking rudimentary safety measures after what could as easily have been a knife as an egg.
> > @HYUFD said:
> > https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1130514142450855936?s=20
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> Just a matter of turnout now and whether the people who say they will vote TBP actually turn up on the day (same for Labour and Lib-Dems of course)
It is beginning to look like the Tories will indeed poll less than 10%. This will have one truly appalling consequence.
TSE's smugness will know no bounds.
> Who would have thought that neither Ann Widdecombe and Michael Heseltine would no longer be in the Tory party.
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> https://twitter.com/elliotttimes/status/1130515195225354240
None of them should be thrown out. If the Tories threw out everyone who voted against them at some point they would no longer exist. They should be looking at why they no longer connect with members on either side of the argument rather than just throwing out people who have supported them for so long.
> > @Richard_Tyndall said:
> > > @Theuniondivvie said:
> > > https://twitter.com/ProfChalmers/status/1130519496454807553
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> Strangled the family alsatian after it savaged him I believe.
> It was reported that Heseltine had actually killed it, but it seems he had the vet in to put it down the day after.
Hmmm. On the face of it, another reason for me to dislike him.
> Surely the vast majority of Tories would love Farage to be their leader. The only question now is would he accept the post if they offered it.
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> Farage has a long record of falling out with colleagues. His rabble rousing is effective, his ability to run a cabinet zero.
Farage, love him or loathe him, is a politicial goliath versus many of the potential Tory candidates for the leadership. At least in terms of voter recognition and conviction.
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> I think a problem is that everyone thinks the Euro elections are important but not serious. Important enough to bother to vote and vote differently from normal, but not serious enough to inhibit members from straying. I don't know any Labour members who are actually not voting Labour, but I know several who say "After careful thought I am sticking with Labour", as though it had been very much in doubt. They'd never do that for a GE or even for a local election.
I have had a number of conversations with party members, including councillors, in London which have left me with the strong impression they are not voting Labour. And the doorstep response has been very poor,
They’re basically paying to advertise Nigel Farage and the Brexit Party for him.
Maybe they should describe themselves as #donkeysledbydonkeys
> > @nico67 said:
> > Corbyn after being egged continued his walkabout.
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> Are you making a point of any kind? If so consider that Corbyn was being an idiot in not taking rudimentary safety measures after what could as easily have been a knife as an egg.
My point is Farage likes to play a tough man of the people , the poor luv had some milkshake thrown onto his suit and ran away to his car before giving a speech from the top of his bus . Corbyn just got on with things and didn’t make a big deal over it .
Farage is now pressing assault charges and playing the martyr , he had the cheek to call Remainers radicalized !
Anyway we must start a hash tag
Je Suis Nigel #
The poor thing needs all the support we can muster after his traumatic experience !
What's that Sooty? They've already chosen? No, Mr Farage isn't a fascist, Sooty, and we don't like to use that word on children's TV.
> > @GIN1138 said:
> > > @HYUFD said:
> > > https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1130514142450855936?s=20
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> It is beginning to look like the Tories will indeed poll less than 10%. This will have one truly appalling consequence.
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> TSE's smugness will know no bounds.
Indeed so (and I hope those Tory members still voting for the party on Thursday like myself and BigG get a certificate as a result!)
Looks like it could be the first national election in UK history neither the Tories nor Labour have been in the top 2
> What's that Sooty? They've already chosen? No, Mr Farage isn't a fascist, Sooty, and we don't like to use that word on children's TV.
No Sooty, I can't tell you who has their hand up Mr Farage's bottom.
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> > https://twitter.com/elliotttimes/status/1130515195225354240
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> None of them should be thrown out. If the Tories threw out everyone who voted against them at some point they would no longer exist. They should be looking at why they no longer connect with members on either side of the argument rather than just throwing out people who have supported them for so long.
>
> It's not possible to connect with members on both sides of the argument. The Conservative Party has to choose.
>
> What's that Sooty? They've already chosen? No, Mr Farage isn't a fascist, Sooty, and we don't like to use that word on children's TV.
Of course it is possible. As in all things it is possible for the Tory party to be a broad church and allow different views. If people choose to leave because they don't like what the Tory party has become then that is their affair. But to kick people out because they have chosen not to support the party over one specific area of policy is just stupid. If they carry on like that they will have no party left at all.
> > @Peter_the_Punter said:
> > > @GIN1138 said:
> > > > @HYUFD said:
> > > > https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1130514142450855936?s=20
> > >
> > > Looks like everyone has pretty much made up their minds now.
> > >
> > > Just a matter of turnout now and whether the people who say they will vote TBP actually turn up on the day (same for Labour and Lib-Dems of course)
> >
> > It is beginning to look like the Tories will indeed poll less than 10%. This will have one truly appalling consequence.
> >
> > TSE's smugness will know no bounds.
>
> Indeed so (and I hope those Tory members still voting for the party on Thursday like myself and BigG get a certificate as a result!)
>
> Looks like it could be the first national election in UK history neither the Tories nor Labour have been in the top 2
Yes, a certificate and perhaps also a grant from the World Wildlife Fund to help save the species from extinction.
Good luck.
> > @felix said:
> > > @nico67 said:
> > > Corbyn after being egged continued his walkabout.
> > >
> > > Farage the so called tough guy ran off to his car and gave a speech from the top of his bus .
> >
> > Are you making a point of any kind? If so consider that Corbyn was being an idiot in not taking rudimentary safety measures after what could as easily have been a knife as an egg.
>
> My point is Farage likes to play a tough man of the people , the poor luv had some milkshake thrown onto his suit and ran away to his car before giving a speech from the top of his bus . Corbyn just got on with things and didn’t make a big deal over it .
>
> Farage is now pressing assault charges and playing the martyr , he had the cheek to call Remainers radicalized !
>
> Anyway we must start a hash tag
>
> Je Suis Nigel #
>
> The poor thing needs all the support we can muster after his traumatic experience !
It is interesting to compare his response with that of Arnold Schwarzenegger who was drop kicked in the back whilst opening an athletics event in South Africa a couple of days ago but chose not to press charges so as not to detract from the event he was trying to support. Certainly the bigger man in every way.
"“Let me get this clear, as I said on the radio and as I repeat now, I personally have no problem with mothers breastfeeding wherever they want,” he said. “What I said was - and it is immensely frustrating that I have to explain this - is that if the establishment in question, in this case Claridge’s, wants to maintain rules about this stuff, then that is up to them, as it should be. I remarked that perhaps they might ask women to sit in a corner. Did I say I believe they should have to? No. Did I say I personally endorse this concept? No..”
https://twitter.com/City_Livery_SM/status/1130477580677787649
> > @HYUFD said:
> > > @Peter_the_Punter said:
> > > > @GIN1138 said:
> > > > > @HYUFD said:
> > > > > https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1130514142450855936?s=20
> > > >
> > > > Looks like everyone has pretty much made up their minds now.
> > > >
> > > > Just a matter of turnout now and whether the people who say they will vote TBP actually turn up on the day (same for Labour and Lib-Dems of course)
> > >
> > > It is beginning to look like the Tories will indeed poll less than 10%. This will have one truly appalling consequence.
> > >
> > > TSE's smugness will know no bounds.
> >
> > Indeed so (and I hope those Tory members still voting for the party on Thursday like myself and BigG get a certificate as a result!)
> >
> > Looks like it could be the first national election in UK history neither the Tories nor Labour have been in the top 2
>
> Yes, a certificate and perhaps also a grant from the World Wildlife Fund to help save the species from extinction.
>
> Good luck.
Though the WWF does have the advantage most of its donors have not yet turned poachers
> > @Streeter said:
> > > @TheScreamingEagles said:
> >
> > > Who would have thought that neither Ann Widdecombe and Michael Heseltine would no longer be in the Tory party.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > https://twitter.com/elliotttimes/status/1130515195225354240
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> > None of them should be thrown out. If the Tories threw out everyone who voted against them at some point they would no longer exist. They should be looking at why they no longer connect with members on either side of the argument rather than just throwing out people who have supported them for so long.
> >
> > It's not possible to connect with members on both sides of the argument. The Conservative Party has to choose.
> >
> > What's that Sooty? They've already chosen? No, Mr Farage isn't a fascist, Sooty, and we don't like to use that word on children's TV.
>
> Of course it is possible. As in all things it is possible for the Tory party to be a broad church and allow different views. If people choose to leave because they don't like what the Tory party has become then that is their affair. But to kick people out because they have chosen not to support the party over one specific area of policy is just stupid. If they carry on like that they will have no party left at all.
I disagree there. If a party member feels so strongly about policy that they go so far as to advocate in public sopport for another party , he/she should have membership removed. Had Heseltine restricted himself to voting LibDem in the privacy of the polling booth, it would have been a different matter - and others would have been none the wiser. I know personally of Green and LibDem members who have voted Labour tactically at Parliamentary elections - but have not declared that in public.
> > @Foxy said:
> > Surely the vast majority of Tories would love Farage to be their leader. The only question now is would he accept the post if they offered it.
> >
> > Farage has a long record of falling out with colleagues. His rabble rousing is effective, his ability to run a cabinet zero.
>
> Farage, love him or loathe him, is a politicial goliath versus many of the potential Tory candidates for the leadership. At least in terms of voter recognition and conviction.
But well behind Boris.
> Now I oppose throwing milkshakes at people but this did make me laugh
>
> https://twitter.com/City_Livery_SM/status/1130477580677787649
The pigeons must be mighty large in that neck of the woods ?!? ..
> > @felix said:
> > > @nico67 said:
> > > Corbyn after being egged continued his walkabout.
> > >
> > > Farage the so called tough guy ran off to his car and gave a speech from the top of his bus .
> >
> > Are you making a point of any kind? If so consider that Corbyn was being an idiot in not taking rudimentary safety measures after what could as easily have been a knife as an egg.
>
> My point is Farage likes to play a tough man of the people , the poor luv had some milkshake thrown onto his suit and ran away to his car before giving a speech from the top of his bus . Corbyn just got on with things and didn’t make a big deal over it .
>
> Farage is now pressing assault charges and playing the martyr , he had the cheek to call Remainers radicalized !
>
> Anyway we must start a hash tag
>
> Je Suis Nigel #
>
> The poor thing needs all the support we can muster after his traumatic experience !
Imagine if it was blood. Or acid. This is madness and it must stop. We are British and this is not right.
> > @KentRising said:
> > > @Foxy said:
> > > Surely the vast majority of Tories would love Farage to be their leader. The only question now is would he accept the post if they offered it.
> > >
> > > Farage has a long record of falling out with colleagues. His rabble rousing is effective, his ability to run a cabinet zero.
> >
> > Farage, love him or loathe him, is a politicial goliath versus many of the potential Tory candidates for the leadership. At least in terms of voter recognition and conviction.
>
> But well behind Boris.
Farage is Boris' warm up act!
> > @nico67 said:
> > > @felix said:
> > > > @nico67 said:
> > > > Corbyn after being egged continued his walkabout.
> > > >
> > > > Farage the so called tough guy ran off to his car and gave a speech from the top of his bus .
> > >
> > > Are you making a point of any kind? If so consider that Corbyn was being an idiot in not taking rudimentary safety measures after what could as easily have been a knife as an egg.
> >
> > My point is Farage likes to play a tough man of the people , the poor luv had some milkshake thrown onto his suit and ran away to his car before giving a speech from the top of his bus . Corbyn just got on with things and didn’t make a big deal over it .
> >
> > Farage is now pressing assault charges and playing the martyr , he had the cheek to call Remainers radicalized !
> >
> > Anyway we must start a hash tag
> >
> > Je Suis Nigel #
> >
> > The poor thing needs all the support we can muster after his traumatic experience !
>
> Imagine if it was blood. Or acid. This is madness and it must stop. We are British and this is not right.
That man shook my hand! Imagine if he had shot me in the face instead. This is madness!
I think the sorts of harlots being referred to are not your average street prostitutes but grander ones holding sway over powerful men.
> Must be only a matter of time before someone lactates on Nige.
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> https://twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status/1130454429134671875
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> That poster is very funny.
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> They’re basically paying to advertise Nigel Farage and the Brexit Party for him.
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> Maybe they should describe themselves as #donkeysledbydonkeys
Mirror imaging of the highest order. Those making the poster think that the message is so obviously awful that it could only hurt Farage. While I personally do not agree with the message, I can imagine many TBP supporters do. Hardly likely to sway a vote either way.
> Imagine if it was blood. Or acid. This is madness and it must stop. We are British and this is not right.
>
> When the first politician gets acid thrown over them, the people cheering today because it's happening to a political opponent will feel deeply ashamed of themselves
If Farage suffered an acid attack I'm sure they'd find some way of justifying it...
>
> When the first politician gets acid thrown over them, the people cheering today because it's happening to a political opponent will feel deeply ashamed of themselves
You don't have to approve of it to find that a ridiculous comparison. Throwing harmless food substances has happened many times in the past.
> > @nico67 said:
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> > > @felix said:
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> > > > @nico67 said:
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> > > > Corbyn after being egged continued his walkabout.
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> > > >
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> > > > Farage the so called tough guy ran off to his car and gave a speech from the top of his bus .
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> > >
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> > > Are you making a point of any kind? If so consider that Corbyn was being an idiot in not taking rudimentary safety measures after what could as easily have been a knife as an egg.
>
> >
>
> > My point is Farage likes to play a tough man of the people , the poor luv had some milkshake thrown onto his suit and ran away to his car before giving a speech from the top of his bus . Corbyn just got on with things and didn’t make a big deal over it .
>
> >
>
> > Farage is now pressing assault charges and playing the martyr , he had the cheek to call Remainers radicalized !
>
> >
>
> > Anyway we must start a hash tag
>
> >
>
> > Je Suis Nigel #
>
> >
>
> > The poor thing needs all the support we can muster after his traumatic experience !
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>
>
> Imagine if it was blood. Or acid. This is madness and it must stop. We are British and this is not right.
>
> It's bleedin' funny though, eh?
No. It gives people legitimate cause to feel pity for Farage. Is that "bleedin' funny"?
> > @isam said:
> >
> > When the first politician gets acid thrown over them, the people cheering today because it's happening to a political opponent will feel deeply ashamed of themselves
>
> You don't have to approve of it to find that a ridiculous comparison. Throwing harmless food substances has happened many times in the past.
And it was wrong then too. Not everyone agrees which ones deserve it, and how much they deserve. I find it incredible people are even debating the point, it rather shows up how superficial some peoples' concerns really are. Arseholes can be taken down without becoming arseholes ourselves, without adding to the grievances of their supporters.
>> Imagine if it was blood. Or acid. This is madness and it must stop. We are British and this is not right.
>>
> When the first politician gets acid thrown over them, the people cheering today because it's happening to a political opponent will feel deeply ashamed of themselves
I think they won't. Cognitive dissonance will kick in and they will find a way to dissociate the act from their point of view, finding some difference between the attacker and themselves to justify that.
As I have said before, lots of posts here use language that people should reflect on before they click Post Comment. Some people feel passionate and angry but project all of that to blame those on the other side of the argument as bad people. If you do that then you are part of the problem.
The only people we should feel anger towards are the Vanilla techs who have messed up the blockquote system.
> > @nico67 said:
> > > @felix said:
> > > > @nico67 said:
> > > > Corbyn after being egged continued his walkabout.
> > > >
> > > > Farage the so called tough guy ran off to his car and gave a speech from the top of his bus .
> > >
> > > Are you making a point of any kind? If so consider that Corbyn was being an idiot in not taking rudimentary safety measures after what could as easily have been a knife as an egg.
> >
> > My point is Farage likes to play a tough man of the people , the poor luv had some milkshake thrown onto his suit and ran away to his car before giving a speech from the top of his bus . Corbyn just got on with things and didn’t make a big deal over it .
> >
> > Farage is now pressing assault charges and playing the martyr , he had the cheek to call Remainers radicalized !
> >
> > Anyway we must start a hash tag
> >
> > Je Suis Nigel #
> >
> > The poor thing needs all the support we can muster after his traumatic experience !
>
> Imagine if it was blood. Or acid. This is madness and it must stop. We are British and this is not right.
It wasn’t blood or acid.
Nigel Farage has spent years whipping up hatred and division. He uses the language of betrayal and treachery. Many on the hard right take him at his word. The same people who are appalled that Nigel Farage has felt the firm hand of Mr Whippy today have been conspicuously uninterested in actual attempts to kill MPs made by those inspired by the ravings of the hard right.
As you sow, so shall you reap. If Nigel Farage were to reflect on the consequences of fomenting division, some good could come of this.
It won’t, of course, because Nigel Farage’s whole schtick is to make people angry.
> > @isam said:
> >
> > When the first politician gets acid thrown over them, the people cheering today because it's happening to a political opponent will feel deeply ashamed of themselves
>
> You don't have to approve of it to find that a ridiculous comparison. Throwing harmless food substances has happened many times in the past.
It should not happen, because it is a waste of food substances.
Could not the food be put to better use?
> > @Cyclefree said:
> > https://twitter.com/DanielHewittITV/status/1130490441844105216
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > This is madness. The vice chair of the Cons local party. Insane. Tories have lost their heads utterly.
> >
> >
> >
> > The new leader has a mountain to climb to save their party.
> >
> > Are these Conservatives who are voting for other parties going to be slung out? Or does this only apply to Lord Heseltine?
> >
> > Well said. All those Tory councillors voting for a party other than Brexit should be expelled. If they won’t support their party why the hell should they have a say in electing the new leader.
> >
> > Is the Tory hierarchy just too frit these days?
>
> As I remember it was the Remainers who were screaming for people to be chucked out of the Tory party for supporting the Brexit Party several weeks ago but who were strangely quiet yesterday when Heseltine said he would be voting Lib Dem.
>
> Typical hypocritical Remainers.
Hmm... You know, I'm rather tempted to pick up a McFlurry if Leavers try to force a no deal on the unwilling majority of this country.
In fact I may give it both barrels with a strawberry hand spun shake by Burger King if you keep hiding behind the "you lost get over it" crap you "bridge builders" have been pulling over the past two years. Ever since the disgraceful "Citizen of the World" speech you clowns have gone out of your way to infuriate Remainers.
So unless you want a holocaust of non-dairy oil based sludge and a dry cleaning bill that might well destabilize global markets, I think we should have a bit less of these childish anti Remainer insults...
Anyway, that being said, I always liked Bugsy Malone and am rather hoping the performance of the Liberal Democrats this week might be the equivalent of the splurge gun massacre on the Tories...
> > @Streeter said:
> > > @nico67 said:
> >
> > > > @felix said:
> >
> > > > > @nico67 said:
> >
> > > > > Corbyn after being egged continued his walkabout.
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > > > > Farage the so called tough guy ran off to his car and gave a speech from the top of his bus .
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > Are you making a point of any kind? If so consider that Corbyn was being an idiot in not taking rudimentary safety measures after what could as easily have been a knife as an egg.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > My point is Farage likes to play a tough man of the people , the poor luv had some milkshake thrown onto his suit and ran away to his car before giving a speech from the top of his bus . Corbyn just got on with things and didn’t make a big deal over it .
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Farage is now pressing assault charges and playing the martyr , he had the cheek to call Remainers radicalized !
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Anyway we must start a hash tag
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Je Suis Nigel #
> >
> > >
> >
> > > The poor thing needs all the support we can muster after his traumatic experience !
> >
> >
> >
> > Imagine if it was blood. Or acid. This is madness and it must stop. We are British and this is not right.
> >
> > It's bleedin' funny though, eh?
>
> No. It gives people legitimate cause to feel pity for Farage. Is that "bleedin' funny"?
I mean. Yeah.
>
> Could not the food be put to better use?
>
> No, it could not.
I have a low opinion of Farage. It is a waste of good milk.
I have a lower opinion of you. It would still be a waste of good milk.
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1130531979739451393?s=19
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1130530632541581312?s=19
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1130530433962303490?s=19
Looks like the Welsh firewall has well and truly been broken for Labour.
> I agree it would be better to use rancid milk, to avoid wasting good milk.
How does rancid milk differ from normal milk?
The principal change is the conversion of lactose to lactic acid.
Acid ....
>
> It's also completely pointless. It's in Islington, how many people in Islington are voting for Nige?
It's about turning out people who want to vote against him.
I think they think if they just put up a picture of Nigel Farage on a poster and say LOOK, HE’S A TWAT! they will get some votes but really it’s an impotent sign of someone who just wants to do something to make themselves feel a bit better.
https://twitter.com/HowlandRobin/status/1130505595516313606
These elections are happening under such unique circumstances, who knows.
They are now becoming just a substitute second ref/peoples vote, and everyone will be able to interpret the result to suit their own desires. The remain grouping is split over many groups which will allow the single Farage group to claim victory, meanwhile others will add up the remain groups,and also claim victory.
It is just a mess, and I have pretty much dropped out, and will concentrate on looking after my family.
> Switching to Corbynite leaders hasn't helped Labour at all in Wales or Scotland so far.
i don't much care for Drakeford ... but Labour's problems in Wales predate him.
You can't really run the Senedd for 20 years and preside over falling standards in health, education and housing without being held responsible.
Wales is poorer now than it was twenty years ago. Labour bear some of the responsibility.
https://twitter.com/Sandbach/status/1130523906828382208