I am not a traditional LD supporter, nor do I really agree with their stance on Brexit (I’m one of those weird remainers who thinks the decision needs to be respected) but it is encouraging to see a third party doing well for once, given the absolutely dire state of play with Labour and the Conservatives at the moment.
> @RobD said: > > @dr_spyn said: > > > Not sure I would ever try to pull leaflets back through a letter box, you never know what might grab your fingers. > > > > > > https://twitter.com/CllrJeanieBell/status/1123917856176050177 > > > > > > Could not the police be alerted to that? Plenty of evidence there! > > Let’s not distract them from fighting real crime, like checking what people say on twitter.
But it represents clear photographic evidence of theft!Had that happened to me I would have sought to press charges.
The issue here and with the North East (Tees Valley especially) is that people are looking at things on a National level when it's really local issues (20 years of badly run council eventually results in votes going to the other party).
And I really wouldn't be looking here as these wins being gains for the Tories. It's a gain for the opposition who just happened in a few cases to be the Tory candidate.
Haven’t heard May once say how sorry she is that 900+ Tory councillors have lost their seats - because of her incompetence. Same lack of empathy and compassion she showed after 2017 GE losses. She is a disaster.
Those making a case for a second referendum, if they seek to avoid that accurate term, should at least come up with one that doesn't imply the first referendum wasn't voted on by people. The 2016 referendum was decided by spaniels and collies.
> @TudorRose said: > > @AlastairMeeks said: > > > @dr_spyn said: > > > > > Re spoilt ballots, Shipman is having fun. > > > > > > > > > > https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1124329164931305472 > > > > > > > > > > > > I think I read that there is an issue in Cotswold where the Tories won a ward by one vote. The elector had written 'Brexit' and this was counted as a vote for the Tories; the independent loser is (unsurprisingly) challenging this. > > > > I understand that there was an arrow from "Brexit" to the box next to the Conservative candidate's name. That seems important to me. > > But does it indicate a preference or a message? If I were the loser I'd definitely want to challenge the decision.
As per my comment below, I cannot see that this unequivocally expresses a clear preference. Especially against the background of publicised attempts to get people to write “Brexit” on their ballot paper as a protest.
Still, if he wins his case, he only gains a coin toss.
> @Streeter said: > > @Nigelb said: > > > > @CarlottaVance said: > > > > IF Parliament can't sort it out. > > > > > > > > Who do you think that's aimed at? https://twitter.com/peoplesvote_uk/status/1124323555934724102 > > > > > > > > You don't have to aim Pickles - just roll him in the approximate direction. > > > > What was the 2016 referendum if not a People's Vote ? > > It was a vote for Brexit in theory, not in practice.
The theory was that voters thought HOC would implement it. Grieve, Letwin, Gauke, Hammond etc should hang their heads in shame.
> @AmpfieldAndy said: > > @Streeter said: > > > @Nigelb said: > > > > > > @CarlottaVance said: > > > > > > IF Parliament can't sort it out. > > > > > > > > > > > > Who do you think that's aimed at? https://twitter.com/peoplesvote_uk/status/1124323555934724102 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You don't have to aim Pickles - just roll him in the approximate direction. > > > > > > > > What was the 2016 referendum if not a People's Vote ? > > > > It was a vote for Brexit in theory, not in practice. > > The theory was that voters thought HOC would implement it. Grieve, Letwin, Gauke, Hammond etc should hang their heads in shame.
> @AmpfieldAndy said: > Haven’t heard May once say how sorry she is that 900+ Tory councillors have lost their seats - because of her incompetence. Same lack of empathy and compassion she showed after 2017 GE losses. She is a disaster.
You did not listen to her today on the media at tge Welsh conference doing exactly that
The disaster you refer to is not only part TM fault but hugely the brexiteer's with their extreme views which look as if they are going to result in brexit failing.
Is losing middle/upper class graduates and gaining white working class voters a good swap?
The middle/upper class graduates culturally dislike the Tories. It’s like when Gove tried to cuddle up to Greta and then the Extinction Rebellion lot said it wasn’t enough. They never will be satisfied no matter how progressive you try to be because there’s plenty of nuttier alternatives. And in doing so the small ‘c’ conservative vote looks elsewhere too.
I think my council (Lancaster) must be the slowest count; they haven't got halfway through the ward results yet.
Cherwell (North Oxfordshire) is being shockingly slow too. Of the wards declared so far, the main change appears, once again, to be independents gaining seats in wards where there's a lot of new housing development coming up.
> > > What was the 2016 referendum if not a People's Vote ? > > > > It was a vote for Brexit in theory, not in practice. > > The theory was that voters thought HOC would implement it. Grieve, Letwin, Gauke, Hammond etc should hang their heads in shame.
Eh? Letwin, Gauke and Hammond all voted to implement Brexit with the withdrawal agreement. It's the ERG who did most to prevent it from happening.
> @AmpfieldAndy said > > The theory was that voters thought HOC would implement it. Grieve, Letwin, Gauke, Hammond etc should hang their heads in shame.
Err, Letwin, Gauke and Hammond voted for it to happen. You are as always directing your irrational anger at the wrong people: it was Corbyn and the Labour Party, in league with Jacob Rees-Mogg, Boris, Steve Baker et al, who voted against Brexit happening in an orderly fashion on the 29th March.
> @OblitusSumMe said: > > > > > What was the 2016 referendum if not a People's Vote ? > > > > > > It was a vote for Brexit in theory, not in practice. > > > > The theory was that voters thought HOC would implement it. Grieve, Letwin, Gauke, Hammond etc should hang their heads in shame. > > Eh? Letwin, Gauke and Hammond all voted to implement Brexit with the withdrawal agreement. It's the ERG who did most to prevent it from happening.
Quite right. The WDA isn’t Brexit. It’s just an agreement to shell out £ 39bn whilst there is another round of talks.
Fortunately, the Conservatives are not replicating their performance in Somerset in neighbouring Dorset, where they're strolling to victory in both authorities.
It's odd that neighbouring counties and districts should produce very different results. The Conservatives have done fine in Berkshire for that matter, but horribly in Surrey, despite the social similarities between the two counties.
> @eek said: > > @Sean_F said: > > > @nunuone said: > > > > @Scott_P said: > > > > https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1124331160442687488 > > > > > > Is losing middle/upper class graduates and gaining white working class voters a good swap? > > > > It's not been bad everywhere in the East Midlands for Labour (eg High Peak, and Bassetlaw). > > The issue here and with the North East (Tees Valley especially) is that people are looking at things on a National level when it's really local issues (20 years of badly run council eventually results in votes going to the other party). > > And I really wouldn't be looking here as these wins being gains for the Tories. It's a gain for the opposition who just happened in a few cases to be the Tory candidate.
That's progress though because I thought anything blue was 'toxic' in traditional hardcore Labour heartlands like the Northeast. It seems that toxicity no longer applies. It's not like the viters didn't have other places to put their protest X on the ballot paper (at least in most wards).
> @Big_G_NorthWales said: > > @AmpfieldAndy said: > > Haven’t heard May once say how sorry she is that 900+ Tory councillors have lost their seats - because of her incompetence. Same lack of empathy and compassion she showed after 2017 GE losses. She is a disaster. > > You did not listen to her today on the media at tge Welsh conference doing exactly that > > The disaster you refer to is not only part TM fault but hugely the brexiteer's with their extreme views which look as if they are going to result in brexit failing.
Oh come on Big G - anyway you slice it this is a useless government led by a worse than useless PM
> @AmpfieldAndy said: > > @OblitusSumMe said: > > > > > > > What was the 2016 referendum if not a People's Vote ? > > > > > > > > It was a vote for Brexit in theory, not in practice. > > > > > > The theory was that voters thought HOC would implement it. Grieve, Letwin, Gauke, Hammond etc should hang their heads in shame. > > > > Eh? Letwin, Gauke and Hammond all voted to implement Brexit with the withdrawal agreement. It's the ERG who did most to prevent it from happening. > > Quite right. The WDA isn’t Brexit. It’s just an agreement to shell out £ 39bn whilst there is another round of talks.
It is the only brexit on offer. Take it or stay and I am relaxed either way
> @Sean_F said: > Fortunately, the Conservatives are not replicating their performance in Somerset in neighbouring Dorset, where they're strolling to victory in both authorities. > > It's odd that neighbouring counties and districts should produce very different results. The Conservatives have done fine in Berkshire for that matter, but horribly in Surrey, despite the social similarities between the two counties.
Devon is falling midway between Somerset and Dorset, in terms of performance.
> @Big_G_NorthWales said: > > @AmpfieldAndy said: > > Haven’t heard May once say how sorry she is that 900+ Tory councillors have lost their seats - because of her incompetence. Same lack of empathy and compassion she showed after 2017 GE losses. She is a disaster. > > You did not listen to her today on the media at tge Welsh conference doing exactly that > > The disaster you refer to is not only part TM fault but hugely the brexiteer's with their extreme views which look as if they are going to result in brexit failing.
I doubt it but frankly staying in would be a better option than May’s deal. I expect the Euro election results will end all talk of Brexit failing.
> @justin124 said: > > @RobD said: > > > @dr_spyn said: > > > > > Not sure I would ever try to pull leaflets back through a letter box, you never know what might grab your fingers. > > > > > > > > > > https://twitter.com/CllrJeanieBell/status/1123917856176050177 > > > > > > > > > > > > Could not the police be alerted to that? Plenty of evidence there! > > > > Let’s not distract them from fighting real crime, like checking what people say on twitter. > > But it represents clear photographic evidence of theft!Had that happened to me I would have sought to press charges.
If you prosecuted every party activist who pinched their opponent's leaflets when left in full view the police would never be doing anything else
> @AmpfieldAndy said: > > @Foxy said: > > > @AmpfieldAndy said: > > > > @Peter_the_Punter said: > > > > > @Foxy said: > > > > > Chelmsford protesting slow progress of Brexit by voting LD, I see: > > > > > > > > > > https://twitter.com/danbloom1/status/1124233209804468224?s=19 > > > > > > > > The poor start to the cricket season by Essex would be another factor. > > > > > > > > > Protest vote politics > > > > Wot, like the Brexit referendum? > > Nope - how else explain the current polls for the Euro elections.
The ones showing the Brexit Party on less than a third of the votes?
We are seeing a #Remainbacklash. If the Tories ignore it, there will be more losses to come.
I see that in Ampfield and Braishfield ward the LD got 402 of the 978 votes cast on a 45.83% turnout, 8 spoiled ballots. Sounds more than a protest vote...
> @GIN1138 said: > > @AmpfieldAndy said: > > Surely the Tories are not going to wait for the disaster that will be the Euro elections before giving May her marching orders. She’s tried, she’s failed and she has a proven record of failure - Brexit, 2017 GE and now the 2019 local elections. > > Probably best to leave her to soak up the EU elections disaster. > > I would think she'll be resigning soon after though...
May's Tories tied first in the NEV! Despite lots of Tory seat losses Labour still not making the progress it needs for a majority
> @El_Capitano said: > I think my council (Lancaster) must be the slowest count; they haven't got halfway through the ward results yet. > > Cherwell (North Oxfordshire) is being shockingly slow too. Of the wards declared so far, the main change appears, once again, to be independents gaining seats in wards where there's a lot of new housing development coming up.
> @Recidivist said: > Con could have lost 2000 seats in these local elections of the Brexit Party had stood! > > How do you work that out? UKIP are losing seats.
Shire Tories won't vote for racist parties and parties than hang out with thugs like Yaxley Lennon.
They will vote for the Brexit Party... As you'll see very, very soon.
> @MattW said: > > @El_Capitano said: > > I think my council (Lancaster) must be the slowest count; they haven't got halfway through the ward results yet. > > > > Cherwell (North Oxfordshire) is being shockingly slow too. Of the wards declared so far, the main change appears, once again, to be independents gaining seats in wards where there's a lot of new housing development coming up. > > Mansfield only just started.
To be fair they had mayoral elections to count first.
> @HYUFD said: > > @GIN1138 said: > > > @AmpfieldAndy said: > > > Surely the Tories are not going to wait for the disaster that will be the Euro elections before giving May her marching orders. She’s tried, she’s failed and she has a proven record of failure - Brexit, 2017 GE and now the 2019 local elections. > > > > Probably best to leave her to soak up the EU elections disaster. > > > > I would think she'll be resigning soon after though... > > May has tied first in the NEV!
Don’t think the 900+ councillors who’ve lost their seats care about that with the possible exception of your good self. Sorry to hear that BTW.
> @GIN1138 said: > > @Recidivist said: > > Con could have lost 2000 seats in these local elections of the Brexit Party had stood! > > > > How do you work that out? UKIP are losing seats. > > Shire Tories won't vote for racist parties and parties than hang out with thugs like Yaxley Lennon. > > They will vote for the Brexit Party... As you'll see very, very soon.
But only in a throwaway election that doesn’t (they assume) confer any responsibility.
> @AmpfieldAndy said: > > @HYUFD said: > > > @GIN1138 said: > > > > @AmpfieldAndy said: > > > > Surely the Tories are not going to wait for the disaster that will be the Euro elections before giving May her marching orders. She’s tried, she’s failed and she has a proven record of failure - Brexit, 2017 GE and now the 2019 local elections. > > > > > > Probably best to leave her to soak up the EU elections disaster. > > > > > > I would think she'll be resigning soon after though... > > > > May has tied first in the NEV! > > Don’t think the 900+ councillors who’ve lost their seats care about that with the possible exception of your good self. Sorry to hear that BTW.
The claims that today represents a big vote for a Referendum/Remain platform would be welcome if true but I don't buy it, unless we get something similar in the Euros. I suspect we won't.
> @GIN1138 said: > > @Recidivist said: > > Con could have lost 2000 seats in these local elections of the Brexit Party had stood! > > > > How do you work that out? UKIP are losing seats. > > Shire Tories won't vote for racist parties and parties than hang out with thugs like Yaxley Lennon. > > They will vote for the Brexit Party... As you'll see very, very soon.
Like the old Farage led UKIP were going to win 100s of Westminster seats?
> @Foxy said: > > @AmpfieldAndy said: > > > @Foxy said: > > > > @AmpfieldAndy said: > > > > > @Peter_the_Punter said: > > > > > > @Foxy said: > > > > > > Chelmsford protesting slow progress of Brexit by voting LD, I see: > > > > > > > > > > > > https://twitter.com/danbloom1/status/1124233209804468224?s=19 > > > > > > > > > > The poor start to the cricket season by Essex would be another factor. > > > > > > > > > > > > Protest vote politics > > > > > > Wot, like the Brexit referendum? > > > > Nope - how else explain the current polls for the Euro elections. > > The ones showing the Brexit Party on less than a third of the votes? > > We are seeing a #Remainbacklash. If the Tories ignore it, there will be more losses to come. > > I see that in Ampfield and Braishfield ward the LD got 402 of the 978 votes cast on a 45.83% turnout, 8 spoiled ballots. Sounds more than a protest vote...
One third of the vote is a lot more than 18% of it.
> @GIN1138 said: > > @Recidivist said: > > Con could have lost 2000 seats in these local elections of the Brexit Party had stood! > > > > How do you work that out? UKIP are losing seats. > > Shire Tories won't vote for racist parties and parties than hang out with thugs like Yaxley Lennon. > > They will vote for the Brexit Party... As you'll see very, very soon.
Plenty of spolied ballot papers with BREXIT scrawled across them across the country too it seems
> @HYUFD said: > > @GIN1138 said: > > > @Recidivist said: > > > Con could have lost 2000 seats in these local elections of the Brexit Party had stood! > > > > > > How do you work that out? UKIP are losing seats. > > > > Shire Tories won't vote for racist parties and parties than hang out with thugs like Yaxley Lennon. > > > > They will vote for the Brexit Party... As you'll see very, very soon. > > Plenty of spolied ballot papers with BREXIT scrawled across them across the country too it seems
The one that got counted as a Tory vote and decided the contest is the only one that matters.
> @felix said: > The claims that today represents a big vote for a Referendum/Remain platform would be welcome if true but I don't buy it, unless we get something similar in the Euros. I suspect we won't.
You're probably right. What it does do however is identify the LDs as the most prominent Remain Party, so the remain vote should coalesce around them.
> @Foxy said: > > @AmpfieldAndy said: > > > @Foxy said: > > > > @AmpfieldAndy said: > > > > > @Peter_the_Punter said: > > > > > > @Foxy said: > > > > > > Chelmsford protesting slow progress of Brexit by voting LD, I see: > > > > > > > > > > > > https://twitter.com/danbloom1/status/1124233209804468224?s=19 > > > > > > > > > > The poor start to the cricket season by Essex would be another factor. > > > > > > > > > > > > Protest vote politics > > > > > > Wot, like the Brexit referendum? > > > > Nope - how else explain the current polls for the Euro elections. > > The ones showing the Brexit Party on less than a third of the votes? > > We are seeing a #Remainbacklash. If the Tories ignore it, there will be more losses to come. > > I see that in Ampfield and Braishfield ward the LD got 402 of the 978 votes cast on a 45.83% turnout, 8 spoiled ballots. Sounds more than a protest vote...
If it’s a Remain backlash how do you explain the Euro polling or what the leaders in Leave voting councils in the North are saying. Ampfield and Braishfield is my ward. There was only a choice of 3 - Tory, Labour and LibDem. If you want make a protest vote against the Tories, who do you vote for.
> @AmpfieldAndy said: > > @HYUFD said: > > > @GIN1138 said: > > > > @AmpfieldAndy said: > > > > Surely the Tories are not going to wait for the disaster that will be the Euro elections before giving May her marching orders. She’s tried, she’s failed and she has a proven record of failure - Brexit, 2017 GE and now the 2019 local elections. > > > > > > Probably best to leave her to soak up the EU elections disaster. > > > > > > I would think she'll be resigning soon after though... > > > > May has tied first in the NEV! > > Don’t think the 900+ councillors who’ve lost their seats care about that with the possible exception of your good self. Sorry to hear that BTW.
Thanks though it was close and I was not an incumbent (and it was town not district level).
As I have said before the Tories need Boris to win the next general election and win back Brexiteers who are staying at home or voting Brexit Party however as long as Corbyn leads Labour it seems Labour cannot get a clear lead even over May
> @AmpfieldAndy said: > > @Foxy said: > > > @AmpfieldAndy said: > > > > @Foxy said: > > > > > @AmpfieldAndy said: > > > > > > @Peter_the_Punter said: > > > > > > > @Foxy said: > > > > > > > Chelmsford protesting slow progress of Brexit by voting LD, I see: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://twitter.com/danbloom1/status/1124233209804468224?s=19 > > > > > > > > > > > > The poor start to the cricket season by Essex would be another factor. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Protest vote politics > > > > > > > > Wot, like the Brexit referendum? > > > > > > Nope - how else explain the current polls for the Euro elections. > > > > The ones showing the Brexit Party on less than a third of the votes? > > > > We are seeing a #Remainbacklash. If the Tories ignore it, there will be more losses to come. > > > > I see that in Ampfield and Braishfield ward the LD got 402 of the 978 votes cast on a 45.83% turnout, 8 spoiled ballots. Sounds more than a protest vote... > > If it’s a Remain backlash how do you explain the Euro polling or what the leaders in Leave voting councils in the North are saying. Ampfield and Braishfield is my ward. There was only a choice of 3 - Tory, Labour and LibDem. If you want make a protest vote against the Tories, who do you vote for.
I wouldn't get into an argument about it, it's pointless. The Euro elections in just three weeks' time will provide the true Brexit picture, one way or another.
> @GIN1138 said: > > @AmpfieldAndy said: > > > @HYUFD said: > > > > @GIN1138 said: > > > > > @AmpfieldAndy said: > > > > > Surely the Tories are not going to wait for the disaster that will be the Euro elections before giving May her marching orders. She’s tried, she’s failed and she has a proven record of failure - Brexit, 2017 GE and now the 2019 local elections. > > > > > > > > Probably best to leave her to soak up the EU elections disaster. > > > > > > > > I would think she'll be resigning soon after though... > > > > > > May has tied first in the NEV! > > > > Don’t think the 900+ councillors who’ve lost their seats care about that with the possible exception of your good self. Sorry to hear that BTW. > > Make that 1000+ now.
Yep - and rising, with minimal UKIP opposition and no Brexit Party or CUK candidates. How bad does it have to get before May goes.
> @AmpfieldAndy said: > > @Foxy said: > > > @AmpfieldAndy said: > > > > @Foxy said: > > > > > @AmpfieldAndy said: > > > > > > @Peter_the_Punter said: > > > > > > > @Foxy said: > > > > > > > Chelmsford protesting slow progress of Brexit by voting LD, I see: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://twitter.com/danbloom1/status/1124233209804468224?s=19 > > > > > > > > > > > > The poor start to the cricket season by Essex would be another factor. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Protest vote politics > > > > > > > > Wot, like the Brexit referendum? > > > > > > Nope - how else explain the current polls for the Euro elections. > > > > The ones showing the Brexit Party on less than a third of the votes? > > > > We are seeing a #Remainbacklash. If the Tories ignore it, there will be more losses to come. > > > > I see that in Ampfield and Braishfield ward the LD got 402 of the 978 votes cast on a 45.83% turnout, 8 spoiled ballots. Sounds more than a protest vote... > > If it’s a Remain backlash how do you explain the Euro polling or what the leaders in Leave voting councils in the North are saying. Ampfield and Braishfield is my ward. There was only a choice of 3 - Tory, Labour and LibDem. If you want make a protest vote against the Tories, who do you vote for.
It is strange indeed to protest slow progress in Brexit, by voting for an explicitly Remain party!
Labour forgot the big lesson of the Coalition. If you are not the Tories, oppose the Tories. If you prop them up or enable their Brexit policy, the electorate will be harsh.
> @brokenwheel said: > > @Scott_P said: > > > https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1124331160442687488 > > > > > > Is losing middle/upper class graduates and gaining white working class voters a good swap? > > The middle/upper class graduates culturally dislike the Tories. It’s like when Gove tried to cuddle up to Greta and then the Extinction Rebellion lot said it wasn’t enough. They never will be satisfied no matter how progressive you try to be because there’s plenty of nuttier alternatives. And in doing so the small ‘c’ conservative vote looks elsewhere too.
What will be interesting is how that group of voters will react when they increasingly realise that a Labour government under current leadership and strong momentum influence will seriously damage their living standards. I suspect LDs and Greens will gain plus a lot of secret Tory voting.
> @Recidivist said: > Con could have lost 2000 seats in these local elections of the Brexit Party had stood! > > How do you work that out? UKIP are losing seats.
Mainly by not standing.
Not sure a disorganised party polling in the 3-4% "losing seats" by failing to stand candidates tells you what would be happening if a party polling up to 30% had stood everywhere, even if those parties have a couple of significant similarities.
I don't understand this. Labour are performing better in Remainy southern areas than in Brexity northern areas. How is that an argument that they should be going full second referendum/remain? Unless you want a Labour party that no longer represents the very people it was established to represent.
> > > > > The poor start to the cricket season by Essex would be another factor.
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> > > > Protest vote politics
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> > > Wot, like the Brexit referendum?
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> > Nope - how else explain the current polls for the Euro elections.
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> The ones showing the Brexit Party on less than a third of the votes?
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> We are seeing a #Remainbacklash. If the Tories ignore it, there will be more losses to come.
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> I see that in Ampfield and Braishfield ward the LD got 402 of the 978 votes cast on a 45.83% turnout, 8 spoiled ballots. Sounds more than a protest vote...
One third of the vote is a lot more than 18% of it.
> @Foxy said: > > @AmpfieldAndy said: > > > @Foxy said: > > > > @AmpfieldAndy said: > > > > > @Foxy said: > > > > > > @AmpfieldAndy said: > > > > > > > @Peter_the_Punter said: > > > > > > > > @Foxy said: > > > > > > > > Chelmsford protesting slow progress of Brexit by voting LD, I see: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://twitter.com/danbloom1/status/1124233209804468224?s=19 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The poor start to the cricket season by Essex would be another factor. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Protest vote politics > > > > > > > > > > Wot, like the Brexit referendum? > > > > > > > > Nope - how else explain the current polls for the Euro elections. > > > > > > The ones showing the Brexit Party on less than a third of the votes? > > > > > > We are seeing a #Remainbacklash. If the Tories ignore it, there will be more losses to come. > > > > > > I see that in Ampfield and Braishfield ward the LD got 402 of the 978 votes cast on a 45.83% turnout, 8 spoiled ballots. Sounds more than a protest vote... > > > > If it’s a Remain backlash how do you explain the Euro polling or what the leaders in Leave voting councils in the North are saying. Ampfield and Braishfield is my ward. There was only a choice of 3 - Tory, Labour and LibDem. If you want make a protest vote against the Tories, who do you vote for. > > It is strange indeed to protest slow progress in Brexit, by voting for an explicitly Remain party!
> @AmpfieldAndy said: > > @GIN1138 said: > > > @AmpfieldAndy said: > > > > @HYUFD said: > > > > > @GIN1138 said: > > > > > > @AmpfieldAndy said: > > > > > > Surely the Tories are not going to wait for the disaster that will be the Euro elections before giving May her marching orders. She’s tried, she’s failed and she has a proven record of failure - Brexit, 2017 GE and now the 2019 local elections. > > > > > > > > > > Probably best to leave her to soak up the EU elections disaster. > > > > > > > > > > I would think she'll be resigning soon after though... > > > > > > > > May has tied first in the NEV! > > > > > > Don’t think the 900+ councillors who’ve lost their seats care about that with the possible exception of your good self. Sorry to hear that BTW. > > > > Make that 1000+ now. > > Yep - and rising, with minimal UKIP opposition and no Brexit Party or CUK candidates. How bad does it have to get before May goes.
The Tories should still just about win most seats.
The 1000 losses the Tories are suffering are bad but mirror the 1161 losses Labour suffered in 1999, 2 years later Labour still won the general election
> @Peter_the_Punter said: > > @felix said: > > The claims that today represents a big vote for a Referendum/Remain platform would be welcome if true but I don't buy it, unless we get something similar in the Euros. I suspect we won't. > > You're probably right. What it does do however is identify the LDs as the most prominent Remain Party, so the remain vote should coalesce around them.
Not nessecarily. Greens have done very well where they have stood, and tend to draw more support in Euro elections.
The Greens have just taken a seat off the Tories in Kidlington, Cherwell (North Oxfordshire). What's particularly interesting is that this was a Green-LibDem alliance - the Greens stood aside in one seat, the Lib Dems in another.
Ian Middleton, Green: 1,089 Anthony Morris, UKIP: 214 Neil Prestidge, Conservatives: 1,016 John Stansby, Labour: 377
> @IanB2 said: > > @Sean_F said: > > I'm surprised by how badly the Conservatives did in Essex. > > And Surrey, Hertfordshire, etc. Surrey is now the Tory front line! >
Hertfordshire was okay, I thought. It's strange that Surrey should have produced such different results to Berkshire, or neighbouring parts of Hampshire.
> @Jonathan said: > Labour forgot the big lesson of the Coalition. If you are not the Tories, oppose the Tories. If you prop them up or enable their Brexit policy, the electorate will be harsh.
Their mission is now to “bail the Tories out” according to one shadow cabinet member.
> @El_Capitano said: > The Greens have just taken a seat off the Tories in Kidlington, Cherwell (North Oxfordshire). What's particularly interesting is that this was a Green-LibDem alliance - the Greens stood aside in one seat, the Lib Dems in another. > > Ian Middleton, Green: 1,089 > Anthony Morris, UKIP: 214 > Neil Prestidge, Conservatives: 1,016 > John Stansby, Labour: 377 > > https://twitter.com/LaylaMoran/status/1124336415322640386
Yes, they've been doing that in a lot of places, including in Canterbury where it worked to remove the Tory head of the council.
> @IanB2 said: > > @Sean_F said: > > I'm surprised by how badly the Conservatives did in Essex. > > And Surrey, Hertfordshire, etc. Surrey is now the Tory front line! >
Comments
https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1124333809766404098
> https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1124331160442687488
Is losing middle/upper class graduates and gaining white working class voters a good swap?
LAB 27 -4
Green 9 +4
LD 3
> > @Scott_P said:
> > https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1124331160442687488
>
> Is losing middle/upper class graduates and gaining white working class voters a good swap?
It's not been bad everywhere in the East Midlands for Labour (eg High Peak, and Bassetlaw).
> > @CarlottaVance said:
> > IF Parliament can't sort it out.
> >
> > Who do you think that's aimed at? https://twitter.com/peoplesvote_uk/status/1124323555934724102
>
> You don't have to aim Pickles - just roll him in the approximate direction.
What was the 2016 referendum if not a People's Vote ?
> Lab gain Mansfield mayor by 2 votes
Peter Soulsby (Lab) returned with 61% of the vote for Mayor of Leicester.
> https://twitter.com/johnestevens/status/1124301563235897344
Spoilt Ballot Party has won the 2019 local elections?
> > @dr_spyn said:
>
> > Not sure I would ever try to pull leaflets back through a letter box, you never know what might grab your fingers.
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> >
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> > https://twitter.com/CllrJeanieBell/status/1123917856176050177
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>
> Could not the police be alerted to that? Plenty of evidence there!
>
> Let’s not distract them from fighting real crime, like checking what people say on twitter.
But it represents clear photographic evidence of theft!Had that happened to me I would have sought to press charges.
> > @Foxy said:
> > Chelmsford protesting slow progress of Brexit by voting LD, I see:
> >
> > https://twitter.com/danbloom1/status/1124233209804468224?s=19
>
> The poor start to the cricket season by Essex would be another factor.
Protest vote politics
> > @nunuone said:
> > > @Scott_P said:
> > > https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1124331160442687488
> >
> > Is losing middle/upper class graduates and gaining white working class voters a good swap?
>
> It's not been bad everywhere in the East Midlands for Labour (eg High Peak, and Bassetlaw).
The issue here and with the North East (Tees Valley especially) is that people are looking at things on a National level when it's really local issues (20 years of badly run council eventually results in votes going to the other party).
And I really wouldn't be looking here as these wins being gains for the Tories. It's a gain for the opposition who just happened in a few cases to be the Tory candidate.
> Con could have lost 2000 seats in these local elections of the Brexit Party had stood!
Oh dear, how sad, never mind!
Those making a case for a second referendum, if they seek to avoid that accurate term, should at least come up with one that doesn't imply the first referendum wasn't voted on by people. The 2016 referendum was decided by spaniels and collies.
Cotswold Council face legal challenge.
> > @AlastairMeeks said:
> > > @dr_spyn said:
> >
> > > Re spoilt ballots, Shipman is having fun.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1124329164931305472
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I think I read that there is an issue in Cotswold where the Tories won a ward by one vote. The elector had written 'Brexit' and this was counted as a vote for the Tories; the independent loser is (unsurprisingly) challenging this.
> >
> > I understand that there was an arrow from "Brexit" to the box next to the Conservative candidate's name. That seems important to me.
>
> But does it indicate a preference or a message? If I were the loser I'd definitely want to challenge the decision.
As per my comment below, I cannot see that this unequivocally expresses a clear preference. Especially against the background of publicised attempts to get people to write “Brexit” on their ballot paper as a protest.
Still, if he wins his case, he only gains a coin toss.
> > @AlastairMeeks said:
> > https://twitter.com/johnestevens/status/1124301563235897344
>
> Spoilt Ballot Party has won the 2019 local elections?
A lot of those figures are not that high. 300 spoiled papers in Sunderland is what you'd expect at most elections.
> > @Nigelb said:
>
> > > @CarlottaVance said:
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> > > IF Parliament can't sort it out.
>
> > >
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> > > Who do you think that's aimed at? https://twitter.com/peoplesvote_uk/status/1124323555934724102
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> >
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> > You don't have to aim Pickles - just roll him in the approximate direction.
>
>
>
> What was the 2016 referendum if not a People's Vote ?
>
> It was a vote for Brexit in theory, not in practice.
The theory was that voters thought HOC would implement it. Grieve, Letwin, Gauke, Hammond etc should hang their heads in shame.
> > @Peter_the_Punter said:
> > > @Foxy said:
> > > Chelmsford protesting slow progress of Brexit by voting LD, I see:
> > >
> > > https://twitter.com/danbloom1/status/1124233209804468224?s=19
> >
> > The poor start to the cricket season by Essex would be another factor.
>
>
> Protest vote politics
Wot, like the Brexit referendum?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48152475?ns_campaign=bbc_politics&ns_linkname=news_central&ns_source=twitter&ns_mchannel=social
> https://twitter.com/HayleyMortimer/status/1124319672483102720
>
> Cotswold Council face legal challenge.
I suspect he will be well placed to win that challenge.
> > @Streeter said:
> > > @Nigelb said:
> >
> > > > @CarlottaVance said:
> >
> > > > IF Parliament can't sort it out.
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > Who do you think that's aimed at? https://twitter.com/peoplesvote_uk/status/1124323555934724102
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > You don't have to aim Pickles - just roll him in the approximate direction.
> >
> >
> >
> > What was the 2016 referendum if not a People's Vote ?
> >
> > It was a vote for Brexit in theory, not in practice.
>
> The theory was that voters thought HOC would implement it. Grieve, Letwin, Gauke, Hammond etc should hang their heads in shame.
... and the ERG MPs?
> Haven’t heard May once say how sorry she is that 900+ Tory councillors have lost their seats - because of her incompetence. Same lack of empathy and compassion she showed after 2017 GE losses. She is a disaster.
You did not listen to her today on the media at tge Welsh conference doing exactly that
The disaster you refer to is not only part TM fault but hugely the brexiteer's with their extreme views which look as if they are going to result in brexit failing.
> > What was the 2016 referendum if not a People's Vote ?
> >
> > It was a vote for Brexit in theory, not in practice.
>
> The theory was that voters thought HOC would implement it. Grieve, Letwin, Gauke, Hammond etc should hang their heads in shame.
Eh? Letwin, Gauke and Hammond all voted to implement Brexit with the withdrawal agreement. It's the ERG who did most to prevent it from happening.
> > @AmpfieldAndy said:
> > > @Peter_the_Punter said:
> > > > @Foxy said:
> > > > Chelmsford protesting slow progress of Brexit by voting LD, I see:
> > > >
> > > > https://twitter.com/danbloom1/status/1124233209804468224?s=19
> > >
> > > The poor start to the cricket season by Essex would be another factor.
> >
> >
> > Protest vote politics
>
> Wot, like the Brexit referendum?
Nope - how else explain the current polls for the Euro elections.
>
> The theory was that voters thought HOC would implement it. Grieve, Letwin, Gauke, Hammond etc should hang their heads in shame.
Err, Letwin, Gauke and Hammond voted for it to happen. You are as always directing your irrational anger at the wrong people: it was Corbyn and the Labour Party, in league with Jacob Rees-Mogg, Boris, Steve Baker et al, who voted against Brexit happening in an orderly fashion on the 29th March.
> >
> > > What was the 2016 referendum if not a People's Vote ?
> > >
> > > It was a vote for Brexit in theory, not in practice.
> >
> > The theory was that voters thought HOC would implement it. Grieve, Letwin, Gauke, Hammond etc should hang their heads in shame.
>
> Eh? Letwin, Gauke and Hammond all voted to implement Brexit with the withdrawal agreement. It's the ERG who did most to prevent it from happening.
Quite right. The WDA isn’t Brexit. It’s just an agreement to shell out £ 39bn whilst there is another round of talks.
It's odd that neighbouring counties and districts should produce very different results. The Conservatives have done fine in Berkshire for that matter, but horribly in Surrey, despite the social similarities between the two counties.
> > @Sean_F said:
> > > @nunuone said:
> > > > @Scott_P said:
> > > > https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1124331160442687488
> > >
> > > Is losing middle/upper class graduates and gaining white working class voters a good swap?
> >
> > It's not been bad everywhere in the East Midlands for Labour (eg High Peak, and Bassetlaw).
>
> The issue here and with the North East (Tees Valley especially) is that people are looking at things on a National level when it's really local issues (20 years of badly run council eventually results in votes going to the other party).
>
> And I really wouldn't be looking here as these wins being gains for the Tories. It's a gain for the opposition who just happened in a few cases to be the Tory candidate.
That's progress though because I thought anything blue was 'toxic' in traditional hardcore Labour heartlands like the Northeast. It seems that toxicity no longer applies. It's not like the viters didn't have other places to put their protest X on the ballot paper (at least in most wards).
> > @AmpfieldAndy said:
> > Haven’t heard May once say how sorry she is that 900+ Tory councillors have lost their seats - because of her incompetence. Same lack of empathy and compassion she showed after 2017 GE losses. She is a disaster.
>
> You did not listen to her today on the media at tge Welsh conference doing exactly that
>
> The disaster you refer to is not only part TM fault but hugely the brexiteer's with their extreme views which look as if they are going to result in brexit failing.
Oh come on Big G - anyway you slice it this is a useless government led by a worse than useless PM
> > @OblitusSumMe said:
> > >
> > > > What was the 2016 referendum if not a People's Vote ?
> > > >
> > > > It was a vote for Brexit in theory, not in practice.
> > >
> > > The theory was that voters thought HOC would implement it. Grieve, Letwin, Gauke, Hammond etc should hang their heads in shame.
> >
> > Eh? Letwin, Gauke and Hammond all voted to implement Brexit with the withdrawal agreement. It's the ERG who did most to prevent it from happening.
>
> Quite right. The WDA isn’t Brexit. It’s just an agreement to shell out £ 39bn whilst there is another round of talks.
It is the only brexit on offer. Take it or stay and I am relaxed either way
> Fortunately, the Conservatives are not replicating their performance in Somerset in neighbouring Dorset, where they're strolling to victory in both authorities.
>
> It's odd that neighbouring counties and districts should produce very different results. The Conservatives have done fine in Berkshire for that matter, but horribly in Surrey, despite the social similarities between the two counties.
Devon is falling midway between Somerset and Dorset, in terms of performance.
Quite a turnup after 15 years of Indys.
https://twitter.com/MDC_News/status/1124331713922990081
> > @AmpfieldAndy said:
> > Haven’t heard May once say how sorry she is that 900+ Tory councillors have lost their seats - because of her incompetence. Same lack of empathy and compassion she showed after 2017 GE losses. She is a disaster.
>
> You did not listen to her today on the media at tge Welsh conference doing exactly that
>
> The disaster you refer to is not only part TM fault but hugely the brexiteer's with their extreme views which look as if they are going to result in brexit failing.
I doubt it but frankly staying in would be a better option than May’s deal. I expect the Euro election results will end all talk of Brexit failing.
> > @RobD said:
> > > @dr_spyn said:
> >
> > > Not sure I would ever try to pull leaflets back through a letter box, you never know what might grab your fingers.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > https://twitter.com/CllrJeanieBell/status/1123917856176050177
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Could not the police be alerted to that? Plenty of evidence there!
> >
> > Let’s not distract them from fighting real crime, like checking what people say on twitter.
>
> But it represents clear photographic evidence of theft!Had that happened to me I would have sought to press charges.
If you prosecuted every party activist who pinched their opponent's leaflets when left in full view the police would never be doing anything else
> > @Foxy said:
> > > @AmpfieldAndy said:
> > > > @Peter_the_Punter said:
> > > > > @Foxy said:
> > > > > Chelmsford protesting slow progress of Brexit by voting LD, I see:
> > > > >
> > > > > https://twitter.com/danbloom1/status/1124233209804468224?s=19
> > > >
> > > > The poor start to the cricket season by Essex would be another factor.
> > >
> > >
> > > Protest vote politics
> >
> > Wot, like the Brexit referendum?
>
> Nope - how else explain the current polls for the Euro elections.
The ones showing the Brexit Party on less than a third of the votes?
We are seeing a #Remainbacklash. If the Tories ignore it, there will be more losses to come.
I see that in Ampfield and Braishfield ward the LD got 402 of the 978 votes cast on a 45.83% turnout, 8 spoiled ballots. Sounds more than a protest vote...
> > @AmpfieldAndy said:
> > Surely the Tories are not going to wait for the disaster that will be the Euro elections before giving May her marching orders. She’s tried, she’s failed and she has a proven record of failure - Brexit, 2017 GE and now the 2019 local elections.
>
> Probably best to leave her to soak up the EU elections disaster.
>
> I would think she'll be resigning soon after though...
May's Tories tied first in the NEV! Despite lots of Tory seat losses Labour still not making the progress it needs for a majority
> I think my council (Lancaster) must be the slowest count; they haven't got halfway through the ward results yet.
>
> Cherwell (North Oxfordshire) is being shockingly slow too. Of the wards declared so far, the main change appears, once again, to be independents gaining seats in wards where there's a lot of new housing development coming up.
Mansfield only just started.
> Con could have lost 2000 seats in these local elections of the Brexit Party had stood!
>
> How do you work that out? UKIP are losing seats.
Shire Tories won't vote for racist parties and parties than hang out with thugs like Yaxley Lennon.
They will vote for the Brexit Party... As you'll see very, very soon.
DING DING
Conservative
Total+/-
Councils:
Total78 +/--36
Councillors:
Total2842 +/--1004
> > @El_Capitano said:
> > I think my council (Lancaster) must be the slowest count; they haven't got halfway through the ward results yet.
> >
> > Cherwell (North Oxfordshire) is being shockingly slow too. Of the wards declared so far, the main change appears, once again, to be independents gaining seats in wards where there's a lot of new housing development coming up.
>
> Mansfield only just started.
To be fair they had mayoral elections to count first.
> > @GIN1138 said:
> > > @AmpfieldAndy said:
> > > Surely the Tories are not going to wait for the disaster that will be the Euro elections before giving May her marching orders. She’s tried, she’s failed and she has a proven record of failure - Brexit, 2017 GE and now the 2019 local elections.
> >
> > Probably best to leave her to soak up the EU elections disaster.
> >
> > I would think she'll be resigning soon after though...
>
> May has tied first in the NEV!
Don’t think the 900+ councillors who’ve lost their seats care about that with the possible exception of your good self. Sorry to hear that BTW.
> > @Recidivist said:
> > Con could have lost 2000 seats in these local elections of the Brexit Party had stood!
> >
> > How do you work that out? UKIP are losing seats.
>
> Shire Tories won't vote for racist parties and parties than hang out with thugs like Yaxley Lennon.
>
> They will vote for the Brexit Party... As you'll see very, very soon.
But only in a throwaway election that doesn’t (they assume) confer any responsibility.
> > @HYUFD said:
> > > @GIN1138 said:
> > > > @AmpfieldAndy said:
> > > > Surely the Tories are not going to wait for the disaster that will be the Euro elections before giving May her marching orders. She’s tried, she’s failed and she has a proven record of failure - Brexit, 2017 GE and now the 2019 local elections.
> > >
> > > Probably best to leave her to soak up the EU elections disaster.
> > >
> > > I would think she'll be resigning soon after though...
> >
> > May has tied first in the NEV!
>
> Don’t think the 900+ councillors who’ve lost their seats care about that with the possible exception of your good self. Sorry to hear that BTW.
Make that 1000+ now.
> > @Recidivist said:
> > Con could have lost 2000 seats in these local elections of the Brexit Party had stood!
> >
> > How do you work that out? UKIP are losing seats.
>
> Shire Tories won't vote for racist parties and parties than hang out with thugs like Yaxley Lennon.
>
> They will vote for the Brexit Party... As you'll see very, very soon.
Like the old Farage led UKIP were going to win 100s of Westminster seats?
> > @AmpfieldAndy said:
> > > @Foxy said:
> > > > @AmpfieldAndy said:
> > > > > @Peter_the_Punter said:
> > > > > > @Foxy said:
> > > > > > Chelmsford protesting slow progress of Brexit by voting LD, I see:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://twitter.com/danbloom1/status/1124233209804468224?s=19
> > > > >
> > > > > The poor start to the cricket season by Essex would be another factor.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Protest vote politics
> > >
> > > Wot, like the Brexit referendum?
> >
> > Nope - how else explain the current polls for the Euro elections.
>
> The ones showing the Brexit Party on less than a third of the votes?
>
> We are seeing a #Remainbacklash. If the Tories ignore it, there will be more losses to come.
>
> I see that in Ampfield and Braishfield ward the LD got 402 of the 978 votes cast on a 45.83% turnout, 8 spoiled ballots. Sounds more than a protest vote...
One third of the vote is a lot more than 18% of it.
> > @Recidivist said:
> > Con could have lost 2000 seats in these local elections of the Brexit Party had stood!
> >
> > How do you work that out? UKIP are losing seats.
>
> Shire Tories won't vote for racist parties and parties than hang out with thugs like Yaxley Lennon.
>
> They will vote for the Brexit Party... As you'll see very, very soon.
Plenty of spolied ballot papers with BREXIT scrawled across them across the country too it seems
If only the electoral pact in our house extended through the town...
Con 280
Lab 268
SNP 53
LD 28
Others 21
> > @GIN1138 said:
> > > @Recidivist said:
> > > Con could have lost 2000 seats in these local elections of the Brexit Party had stood!
> > >
> > > How do you work that out? UKIP are losing seats.
> >
> > Shire Tories won't vote for racist parties and parties than hang out with thugs like Yaxley Lennon.
> >
> > They will vote for the Brexit Party... As you'll see very, very soon.
>
> Plenty of spolied ballot papers with BREXIT scrawled across them across the country too it seems
The one that got counted as a Tory vote and decided the contest is the only one that matters.
> The claims that today represents a big vote for a Referendum/Remain platform would be welcome if true but I don't buy it, unless we get something similar in the Euros. I suspect we won't.
You're probably right. What it does do however is identify the LDs as the most prominent Remain Party, so the remain vote should coalesce around them.
> > @AmpfieldAndy said:
> > > @Foxy said:
> > > > @AmpfieldAndy said:
> > > > > @Peter_the_Punter said:
> > > > > > @Foxy said:
> > > > > > Chelmsford protesting slow progress of Brexit by voting LD, I see:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://twitter.com/danbloom1/status/1124233209804468224?s=19
> > > > >
> > > > > The poor start to the cricket season by Essex would be another factor.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Protest vote politics
> > >
> > > Wot, like the Brexit referendum?
> >
> > Nope - how else explain the current polls for the Euro elections.
>
> The ones showing the Brexit Party on less than a third of the votes?
>
> We are seeing a #Remainbacklash. If the Tories ignore it, there will be more losses to come.
>
> I see that in Ampfield and Braishfield ward the LD got 402 of the 978 votes cast on a 45.83% turnout, 8 spoiled ballots. Sounds more than a protest vote...
If it’s a Remain backlash how do you explain the Euro polling or what the leaders in Leave voting councils in the North are saying. Ampfield and Braishfield is my ward. There was only a choice of 3 - Tory, Labour and LibDem. If you want make a protest vote against the Tories, who do you vote for.
> UKIP and Labour almost tied for losses, 100 & 99.
100 each now according to BBC. The Tory result is appalling but Labour, jeez.
> > @HYUFD said:
> > > @GIN1138 said:
> > > > @AmpfieldAndy said:
> > > > Surely the Tories are not going to wait for the disaster that will be the Euro elections before giving May her marching orders. She’s tried, she’s failed and she has a proven record of failure - Brexit, 2017 GE and now the 2019 local elections.
> > >
> > > Probably best to leave her to soak up the EU elections disaster.
> > >
> > > I would think she'll be resigning soon after though...
> >
> > May has tied first in the NEV!
>
> Don’t think the 900+ councillors who’ve lost their seats care about that with the possible exception of your good self. Sorry to hear that BTW.
Thanks though it was close and I was not an incumbent (and it was town not district level).
As I have said before the Tories need Boris to win the next general election and win back Brexiteers who are staying at home or voting Brexit Party however as long as Corbyn leads Labour it seems Labour cannot get a clear lead even over May
> > @Foxy said:
> > > @AmpfieldAndy said:
> > > > @Foxy said:
> > > > > @AmpfieldAndy said:
> > > > > > @Peter_the_Punter said:
> > > > > > > @Foxy said:
> > > > > > > Chelmsford protesting slow progress of Brexit by voting LD, I see:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://twitter.com/danbloom1/status/1124233209804468224?s=19
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The poor start to the cricket season by Essex would be another factor.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Protest vote politics
> > > >
> > > > Wot, like the Brexit referendum?
> > >
> > > Nope - how else explain the current polls for the Euro elections.
> >
> > The ones showing the Brexit Party on less than a third of the votes?
> >
> > We are seeing a #Remainbacklash. If the Tories ignore it, there will be more losses to come.
> >
> > I see that in Ampfield and Braishfield ward the LD got 402 of the 978 votes cast on a 45.83% turnout, 8 spoiled ballots. Sounds more than a protest vote...
>
> If it’s a Remain backlash how do you explain the Euro polling or what the leaders in Leave voting councils in the North are saying. Ampfield and Braishfield is my ward. There was only a choice of 3 - Tory, Labour and LibDem. If you want make a protest vote against the Tories, who do you vote for.
I wouldn't get into an argument about it, it's pointless. The Euro elections in just three weeks' time will provide the true Brexit picture, one way or another.
> > @AmpfieldAndy said:
> > > @HYUFD said:
> > > > @GIN1138 said:
> > > > > @AmpfieldAndy said:
> > > > > Surely the Tories are not going to wait for the disaster that will be the Euro elections before giving May her marching orders. She’s tried, she’s failed and she has a proven record of failure - Brexit, 2017 GE and now the 2019 local elections.
> > > >
> > > > Probably best to leave her to soak up the EU elections disaster.
> > > >
> > > > I would think she'll be resigning soon after though...
> > >
> > > May has tied first in the NEV!
> >
> > Don’t think the 900+ councillors who’ve lost their seats care about that with the possible exception of your good self. Sorry to hear that BTW.
>
> Make that 1000+ now.
Yep - and rising, with minimal UKIP opposition and no Brexit Party or CUK candidates. How bad does it have to get before May goes.
> > @Foxy said:
> > > @AmpfieldAndy said:
> > > > @Foxy said:
> > > > > @AmpfieldAndy said:
> > > > > > @Peter_the_Punter said:
> > > > > > > @Foxy said:
> > > > > > > Chelmsford protesting slow progress of Brexit by voting LD, I see:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://twitter.com/danbloom1/status/1124233209804468224?s=19
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The poor start to the cricket season by Essex would be another factor.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Protest vote politics
> > > >
> > > > Wot, like the Brexit referendum?
> > >
> > > Nope - how else explain the current polls for the Euro elections.
> >
> > The ones showing the Brexit Party on less than a third of the votes?
> >
> > We are seeing a #Remainbacklash. If the Tories ignore it, there will be more losses to come.
> >
> > I see that in Ampfield and Braishfield ward the LD got 402 of the 978 votes cast on a 45.83% turnout, 8 spoiled ballots. Sounds more than a protest vote...
>
> If it’s a Remain backlash how do you explain the Euro polling or what the leaders in Leave voting councils in the North are saying. Ampfield and Braishfield is my ward. There was only a choice of 3 - Tory, Labour and LibDem. If you want make a protest vote against the Tories, who do you vote for.
It is strange indeed to protest slow progress in Brexit, by voting for an explicitly Remain party!
> > @Scott_P said:
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> > https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1124331160442687488
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> Is losing middle/upper class graduates and gaining white working class voters a good swap?
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> The middle/upper class graduates culturally dislike the Tories. It’s like when Gove tried to cuddle up to Greta and then the Extinction Rebellion lot said it wasn’t enough. They never will be satisfied no matter how progressive you try to be because there’s plenty of nuttier alternatives. And in doing so the small ‘c’ conservative vote looks elsewhere too.
What will be interesting is how that group of voters will react when they increasingly realise that a Labour government under current leadership and strong momentum influence will seriously damage their living standards. I suspect LDs and Greens will gain plus a lot of secret Tory voting.
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> Con could have lost 2000 seats in these local elections of the Brexit Party had stood!
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> How do you work that out? UKIP are losing seats.
Mainly by not standing.
Not sure a disorganised party polling in the 3-4% "losing seats" by failing to stand candidates tells you what would be happening if a party polling up to 30% had stood everywhere, even if those parties have a couple of significant similarities.
> https://twitter.com/David_K_Clark/status/1124341349451542528
I don't understand this. Labour are performing better in Remainy southern areas than in Brexity northern areas. How is that an argument that they should be going full second referendum/remain? Unless you want a Labour party that no longer represents the very people it was established to represent.
> > @AmpfieldAndy said:
> > > @Foxy said:
> > > > @AmpfieldAndy said:
> > > > > @Foxy said:
> > > > > > @AmpfieldAndy said:
> > > > > > > @Peter_the_Punter said:
> > > > > > > > @Foxy said:
> > > > > > > > Chelmsford protesting slow progress of Brexit by voting LD, I see:
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> > > > > > > > https://twitter.com/danbloom1/status/1124233209804468224?s=19
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> > > > > > > The poor start to the cricket season by Essex would be another factor.
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> > > > > > Protest vote politics
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> > > > > Wot, like the Brexit referendum?
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> > > > Nope - how else explain the current polls for the Euro elections.
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> > > The ones showing the Brexit Party on less than a third of the votes?
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> > > We are seeing a #Remainbacklash. If the Tories ignore it, there will be more losses to come.
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> > > I see that in Ampfield and Braishfield ward the LD got 402 of the 978 votes cast on a 45.83% turnout, 8 spoiled ballots. Sounds more than a protest vote...
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> > If it’s a Remain backlash how do you explain the Euro polling or what the leaders in Leave voting councils in the North are saying. Ampfield and Braishfield is my ward. There was only a choice of 3 - Tory, Labour and LibDem. If you want make a protest vote against the Tories, who do you vote for.
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> It is strange indeed to protest slow progress in Brexit, by voting for an explicitly Remain party!
Unless it’s protest vote politics !
> > @GIN1138 said:
> > > @AmpfieldAndy said:
> > > > @HYUFD said:
> > > > > @GIN1138 said:
> > > > > > @AmpfieldAndy said:
> > > > > > Surely the Tories are not going to wait for the disaster that will be the Euro elections before giving May her marching orders. She’s tried, she’s failed and she has a proven record of failure - Brexit, 2017 GE and now the 2019 local elections.
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> > > > > Probably best to leave her to soak up the EU elections disaster.
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> > > > > I would think she'll be resigning soon after though...
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> > > > May has tied first in the NEV!
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> > > Don’t think the 900+ councillors who’ve lost their seats care about that with the possible exception of your good self. Sorry to hear that BTW.
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> > Make that 1000+ now.
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> Yep - and rising, with minimal UKIP opposition and no Brexit Party or CUK candidates. How bad does it have to get before May goes.
The Tories should still just about win most seats.
The 1000 losses the Tories are suffering are bad but mirror the 1161 losses Labour suffered in 1999, 2 years later Labour still won the general election
> > @felix said:
> > The claims that today represents a big vote for a Referendum/Remain platform would be welcome if true but I don't buy it, unless we get something similar in the Euros. I suspect we won't.
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> You're probably right. What it does do however is identify the LDs as the most prominent Remain Party, so the remain vote should coalesce around them.
Not nessecarily. Greens have done very well where they have stood, and tend to draw more support in Euro elections.
Ian Middleton, Green: 1,089
Anthony Morris, UKIP: 214
Neil Prestidge, Conservatives: 1,016
John Stansby, Labour: 377
https://twitter.com/LaylaMoran/status/1124336415322640386
> I'm surprised by how badly the Conservatives did in Essex.
And Surrey, Hertfordshire, etc. Surrey is now the Tory front line!
> > @Sean_F said:
> > I'm surprised by how badly the Conservatives did in Essex.
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> And Surrey, Hertfordshire, etc. Surrey is now the Tory front line!
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Hertfordshire was okay, I thought. It's strange that Surrey should have produced such different results to Berkshire, or neighbouring parts of Hampshire.
> I'm surprised by how badly the Conservatives did in Essex.
A lot of Brexiteers stayed at home.
On the estates in Epping Forest it was a very low turnout, in Waltham Abbey Britain First also won a seat
> Labour forgot the big lesson of the Coalition. If you are not the Tories, oppose the Tories. If you prop them up or enable their Brexit policy, the electorate will be harsh.
Their mission is now to “bail the Tories out” according to one shadow cabinet member.
Is this true?
> The Greens have just taken a seat off the Tories in Kidlington, Cherwell (North Oxfordshire). What's particularly interesting is that this was a Green-LibDem alliance - the Greens stood aside in one seat, the Lib Dems in another.
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> Ian Middleton, Green: 1,089
> Anthony Morris, UKIP: 214
> Neil Prestidge, Conservatives: 1,016
> John Stansby, Labour: 377
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> https://twitter.com/LaylaMoran/status/1124336415322640386
Yes, they've been doing that in a lot of places, including in Canterbury where it worked to remove the Tory head of the council.
> > @Sean_F said:
> > I'm surprised by how badly the Conservatives did in Essex.
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> And Surrey, Hertfordshire, etc. Surrey is now the Tory front line!
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Yet the Tories gained seats in Stoke and Bolsover