> @ydoethur said: > > @ydoethur said: > > > Can we please have a massacre in Cannock Chase as well? Getting rid of the awesomely selfish Labour council who pay for themselves to have chauffeur driven Mercedes while cutting out services would be a tremendous result. > > > > The result is due at 2pm. > > > > https://election.pressassociation.com/local-elections-declaration-time/ > > Bugger, I've got Year 12 Ethics. > > Do you suppose they'll notice if I switch from Emmanuel Kant to 'Yeah, take that mother****ers' in mid sentence if it's a good result? I suppose one could argue that if Labour lose seats as a result of what is described that the loss is down to unethical behaviour.
I have made clear from the start Labour winning is a bigger priority to me than not having Brexit, just my personal hope was to get both. If I can't have both then I will prioritise.
Sorry, genuine question - do you mean you would like Labour to win AND to stay in the EU, but Labour winning matters more?
Because it isn't terribly clear.
Did a partial rewrite at one point which made it unclear.
I would like Lab to win and to stay in the EU. Lab winning matters more.
Thanks.
Tends to confirm NPXMP's oft-repeated claim that when the last comes to the last Brexit is a secondary issue for Lab voters.
I've thought that. I think it reflects most Labour people on PB, maybe different desired Brexit outcomes but secondary to Labour winning power. Although we aren't necessarily completely representative.
> @Sean_F said: > > @MarqueeMark said: > > > @IanB2 said: > > > > @El_Capitano said: > > > > I seem to recall seeing that NPXMP was standing as a councillor, one assumes in Broxtowe.. Did he get a Safe? seat? > > > > > > > > > > > > Not in Broxtowe, in the Home Counties. > > > > > > > > > Waverley DC. Count starts in a couple of hours time. > > > > I suspect a couple of hours time is when the real pain starts for the Tories. > > > > The Shire Tories are going to be visited by the hordes of the Orange Orcs. Going to be messy. Lots of councils to lose lots of councillors. > > > > Labour not a presence, so nothing much more for them to lose. > > > > Tories thinking last night wasn't too bad are missing that they are being crushed by the pincers of the Should-be-Dead: both Farage and the LibDems have been re-awoken by May. That is the measure of her shiteness. > > > > > > Yes and No. The Conservatives will suffer in Remain-voting Shire districts, but get off far more lightly in Leave-voting districts.
Brexit is the shite doing the reawakening.
And why do we talk about 55/45 areas and 45/55 areas as if they are on different planets?
> > Can we please have a massacre in Cannock Chase as well? Getting rid of the awesomely selfish Labour council who pay for themselves to have chauffeur driven Mercedes while cutting out services would be a tremendous result.
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> Going to be plenty of Labour MPs in Leave-voting seats cacking themselves. Suspect they will be happy enough to ditch the idea of getting a CU if they can secure environmental and workers' rights safeguards tagged onto May's Shit Deal.
Lab were never going to gain. Last time was a GE and LDs still being punished for being in bed with baby eaters. Was obvious that would unwind this time.
The Lib Dems may have been in bed with 'baby eaters', but *your* party is filled to the gunwales with those who excuse and deny anti-Semitism - as long as the anti-Semite in question is of the correct political persuasion.
Has it occurred to you that that might also be a factor?
> @RochdalePioneers said: > Corbyn is a fucking disaster. The Kali Ma cultists don't get this - people like our policies. And won't vote for them with Jezbollah as leader
Tom Watson lost us 1000 seats Corbyn won 800 back!!
> @MarqueeMark said: > > @Cicero said: > > So Cotswold in Glos, Vale of the White Hirse and South Oxfordshire in Oxon... Any other surprises from the Tory heartlands still to come? > > Vale of the White Hearse?
I have a mental image of people walking in the Cotswolds telling each other how frightful and ghastly Brexit is now.
When Labour comes to analyse the results, I think they will conclude the opposite. Clearly the party is losing people from both ends, so the fence looks less attractive than it did. I suspect they are losing more Remain voters - including in Leave areas - and where they are losing leave voters these are irretrievable in the medium term as Labour can never out-Brexit the Tories, let alone prevent such people signing up with Farage when he arrives.
The only part of its vote Labour can hope to shore up is the remainer side currently switching to LibDem, Green or Indy. Which means backing the PV.
We don't need to win people over with our Brexit policy, it generally isn't what happened in 2017. We need to create the space to win people over on non Brexit areas. Going full remain creates a Brexit election with a pro Brexit Tory party vs a Remain Labour party.
Letting the Tories stew on it instead creates a messy... possibly then Boris led Tory party with little space to work in with Farage one side of him and Labour the other.
They could then longer term push hard on remain, maybe in an election but shorter term I'm not sure if it might be a good idea to hold off on pushing remain.
I think it might actually mean that a number of voters who were disposed to trust Corbyn no longer do so at all.
> Can we please have a massacre in Cannock Chase as well? Getting rid of the awesomely selfish Labour council who pay for themselves to have chauffeur driven Mercedes while cutting out services would be a tremendous result.
> @Pulpstar said: > > @MarqueeMark said: > > > @Cicero said: > > > So Cotswold in Glos, Vale of the White Hirse and South Oxfordshire in Oxon... Any other surprises from the Tory heartlands still to come? > > > > Vale of the White Hearse? > > I have a mental image of people walking in the Cotswolds telling each other how frightful and ghastly Brexit is now.
Not just in the Cotswolds, but across much of Shire England, and these are people who vote.
> @Pulpstar said: > > @AndyJS said: > > > @OblitusSumMe said: > > > Labour are losing councillors? > > > > > > That's an absolutely dreadful performance. How often does an Opposition lose councillors? > > > > They were almost wiped out on Ashfield council, they lost seats in Bolsover, Stoke-on-Trent, Walsall, East Yorkshire, Bolton, Hartlepool, Sunderland. > > The north losing patience with Labour over Brexit
This is the failure of Labour's Brexit strategy. They're losing in northern Leave areas, but in net terms it's the Remain-supporting Greens and Liberal Democrats making gains.
> > Yes my personally being supportive of a second referendum, signing the petition to revoke and sharing it on here (not the first person to do so) all part of a long play...
> > I have made clear from the start Labour winning is a bigger priority to me than not having Brexit, just my personal hope was to get both. If I can't have both then I will prioritise.
> and if you cannot have Brexit or Labour winning, you will still support a loser like Corbyn..
> My political support isn't based on chance of winning... I would have gone into the 2017 election a Tory supporter otherwise.
Well either you support a loser like Corbyn, knowing he cannot win, or you choose someone else in Labour to lead who can. Its not rocket science.
I don't think my explanation was particularly complicated but I'll try in a different way..
If electing Anna Soubry as Conservative leader made you win the next election and not doing so meant you lost would you want Anna Soubry as the Conservative leader?
The reason you wouldn't want Anna as Conservative leader even if that was the only way to win is because politics isn't football, you aren't in it just to win.
I went forward in time... to view alternate futures. To see all the possible outcomes of these locals, I saw Fourteen million six hundred and five outcomes, in only one of them did Labour make a net loss of seats at this time.
> @bigjohnowls said: > > @RochdalePioneers said: > > Corbyn is a fucking disaster. The Kali Ma cultists don't get this - people like our policies. And won't vote for them with Jezbollah as leader > > Tom Watson lost us 1000 seats Corbyn won 800 back!! > > That's as stupid as you sound Comrade. > > Labour lost for being too remain though.
A good example of the phenomena where people draw the conclusions most convenient for them.
The Local Government association Chief Exec pointed out that many councillors campaigned on anything BUT Brexit - and we've seen losses on both sides (Sunderland, Labour, Cotswolds, Con) where local council issues may have been at least, if not more, important.
> @El_Capitano said: > > @Jonathan said: > > > > @CarlottaVance said: > > > > https://twitter.com/JimMFelton/status/1124047130702827523 > > > > > > > > Lying liars and the lies they tell. > > > > Would find it surprising if he didn't own a home somewhere that did have an election. > > He does. Thame, South Oxfordshire. Which is currently turning from solid blue to bright orange.
> @Foxy said: > > @RobD said: > > > @Jonathan said: > > > > @CarlottaVance said: > > > > https://twitter.com/JimMFelton/status/1124047130702827523 > > > > > > Lying liars and the lies they tell. > > > > Would find it surprising if he didn't own a home somewhere that did have an election. > > To be fair that was a cut and paste Twitter template from central office.
An allegory for Brexit. CCHQ does not check the details and Boris does not even read it.
Working my way through the thread it looks like the bad results are starting to hit for the Tories with more that expected today. So for face saving I suppose it’s down to Labou, who can point at bad results for Tories but who at the least don’t seem to be making the headway oppositions shoukd,
> @TheScreamingEagles said: > I went forward in time... to view alternate futures. To see all the possible outcomes of these locals, I saw Fourteen million six hundred and five outcomes, in only one of them did Labour make a net loss of seats at this time. > > https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1124204378750169088
In any of these 14,000,605 outcomes did we have a functional comment system?
I had it down that the Tories would lose somewhere around 700-800 seats, I think that's going to be lowballing.
I see JRM's patch when Yellow Peril (for the first time I believe), remember when I said canvassing in West Yorkshire there appeared to be a real anti ERG sentiment out there.
> @Alistair said: > Just awake, how are we doing for rune rate. Is it a case that Labour shitness is saving Con seats even as Con vote collapses?
I think so far the Conservatives are losing one-third of their seats. If maintained, that would leave them with >1500 losses. So Labour collapse isn't helping the Tories much.
> @Casino_Royale said: > BTW amazing number of spoilt papers. None of the above, BREXIT, were common. My particular favourite "Your all wankers" > > Bad grammar, there.
In most of the results I've seen the number of spoilt papers was much lower than I was expecting. Sunderland had only 300 across the entire council which has an electorate of about 200,000.
> I went forward in time... to view alternate futures. To see all the possible outcomes of these locals, I saw Fourteen million six hundred and five outcomes, in only one of them did Labour make a net loss of seats at this time.
Like every other event in our broken reality everyone- everyone -is going to claim these results prove them right. The only poll that actually resolves this is another referendum.
I find it hard to credit the ‘tories Not down as much as they might be’ comments with the tracking showing they might lose double the 4-500 that some expected.
Even if they shoukd no one will care about what’s happened with Labour if the Tories are pushing 1000 losses.
> @MarqueeMark said: > May has done her Night King act - lifted her arms and caused legions of fallen LibDem councillors to rise again. > > Who on the '22 is the Keeper of the Valyrian Steel?
Simple to blame TM when the real culprits are ERG who stopped brexit. As TM says she voted 3 times to leave and if the ERG had had sense we would be out now and these results very different.
TM has many faults but she is not the only one in the frame here. Does anyone think Boris or anyone else could have overcome the deadlocked HOC better
> @mr-claypole said: > Like every other event in our broken reality everyone- everyone -is going to claim these results prove them right. The only poll that actually resolves this is another referendum.
The voters are in ornery mood. If you asked them today in a Referendum, should we:
A Leave the European Union
B Remain in the European Union
C Burn down Westminster before we do anything else
> @kle4 said: > I find it hard to credit the ‘tories Not down as much as they might be’ comments with the tracking showing they might lose double the 4-500 that some expected. > > Even if they shoukd no one will care about what’s happened with Labour if the Tories are pushing 1000 losses.
We'll have to wait and see what happens in the 140 councils still to declare. The extrapolations may not be accurate.
> > Local election results are pushing me away from a 2nd referendum position, not off it completely but some discouragement there.
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> Although to clarify I'm not saying I'm anti 2nd ref, just less in favour of a referendum than I was previously.
When Labour comes to analyse the results, I think they will conclude the opposite. Clearly the party is losing people from both ends, so the fence looks less attractive than it did. I suspect they are losing more Remain voters - including in Leave areas - and where they are losing leave voters these are irretrievable in the medium term as Labour can never out-Brexit the Tories, let alone prevent such people signing up with Farage when he arrives.
The only part of its vote Labour can hope to shore up is the remainer side currently switching to LibDem, Green or Indy. Which means backing the PV.
For sure, there are no votes in helping the Tories to deliver May’s deal.
Sadly I don’t see the locals shifting things at all, particularly when we are all waiting to see how badly the Tories do in the euros. What incentive for anyone to move before then?
> @kle4 said: > I find it hard to credit the ‘tories Not down as much as they might be’ comments with the tracking showing they might lose double the 4-500 that some expected. > > Even if they shoukd no one will care about what’s happened with Labour if the Tories are pushing 1000 losses.
Even with 1000 losses, the Conservatives would win more seats than Labour and Lib Dems combined.
> @kle4 said: > I find it hard to credit the ‘tories Not down as much as they might be’ comments with the tracking showing they might lose double the 4-500 that some expected. > > Even if they shoukd no one will care about what’s happened with Labour if the Tories are pushing 1000 losses.
Tories were flattered by some early gains against Labour in the urban North. As the county results come in the situation will get much worse for them.
> I went forward in time... to view alternate futures. To see all the possible outcomes of these locals, I saw Fourteen million six hundred and five outcomes, in only one of them did Labour make a net loss of seats at this time.
> Can we please have a massacre in Cannock Chase as well? Getting rid of the awesomely selfish Labour council who pay for themselves to have chauffeur driven Mercedes while cutting out services would be a tremendous result.
Even if they shoukd no one will care about what’s happened with Labour if the Tories are pushing 1000 losses.
Labour MPs might. They should be gaining seats by the hundreds, not losing them by the dozens.
As I said above, local elections are a poor guide to General Election results. As of course are Euros.
I think what this does show is that Remain voters are angry and turning out to punish the people who are trying to deliver on the referendum result, whereas Leave voters - are not.
It's like in Scotland, albeit at a much lower level.
> @kle4 said: > I find it hard to credit the ‘tories Not down as much as they might be’ comments with the tracking showing they might lose double the 4-500 that some expected. > > Even if they shoukd no one will care about what’s happened with Labour if the Tories are pushing 1000 losses.
I think that is rather partisan. The conservatives are going to get a going over by the lib dems but labour in leave areas are in a mess and the media are concentrating on poor results for both parties and the lib dems, greens and independents doing very well
The lesson for ERG is that the conservatives are under serious threat throughout the shires and the south and in these areas the electorate are pro remain, not brexit
The main significance might be that broadcasters are forced to take the LibDems seriously again. Vince will be back on telly. Since the LibDems lost their third party status to the SNP there has been no need to invite LibDems as guests or panellists. That will change.
> @MarqueeMark said: > > @mr-claypole said: > > Like every other event in our broken reality everyone- everyone -is going to claim these results prove them right. The only poll that actually resolves this is another referendum. > > The voters are in ornery mood. If you asked them today in a Referendum, should we: > > A Leave the European Union > > B Remain in the European Union > > C Burn down Westminster before we do anything else > > which outcome do you think would win?
> @Foxy said: > > @Pulpstar said: > > > @MarqueeMark said: > > > > @Cicero said: > > > > So Cotswold in Glos, Vale of the White Hirse and South Oxfordshire in Oxon... Any other surprises from the Tory heartlands still to come? > > > > > > Vale of the White Hearse? > > > > I have a mental image of people walking in the Cotswolds telling each other how frightful and ghastly Brexit is now. > > Not just in the Cotswolds, but across much of Shire England, and these are people who vote.
Cotswolds was one of the few non-metropolitan areas to vote Remain at the big Ref.
> @Sean_F said: > > @kle4 said: > > I find it hard to credit the ‘tories Not down as much as they might be’ comments with the tracking showing they might lose double the 4-500 that some expected. > > > > Even if they shoukd no one will care about what’s happened with Labour if the Tories are pushing 1000 losses. > > Even with 1000 losses, the Conservatives would win more seats than Labour and Lib Dems combined.
It's England ex London. Of course the Tories will win
> @TheJezziah said: > > @bigjohnowls said: > > > > @RochdalePioneers said: > > > > Corbyn is a fucking disaster. The Kali Ma cultists don't get this - people like our policies. And won't vote for them with Jezbollah as leader > > > > > > Tom Watson lost us 1000 seats Corbyn won 800 back!! > > > > > > That's as stupid as you sound Comrade. > > > > > > Labour lost for being too remain though. > > > > Is that the line from the hive mind? > > I think the hive are mainly concentrating their fire on Corbyn...
By sitting on the fence he's managed to get the worst of both worlds, alienating both his Leave and Remain constituencies.
> @IanB2 said: > > @kle4 said: > > I find it hard to credit the ‘tories Not down as much as they might be’ comments with the tracking showing they might lose double the 4-500 that some expected. > > > > Even if they shoukd no one will care about what’s happened with Labour if the Tories are pushing 1000 losses. > > Tories were flattered by some early gains against Labour in the urban North. As the county results come in the situation will get much worse for them.
The county results in the Midlands are fairly neutral between the two big parties.
I am just surprised how little work the LD’s appear to have had to do to pick up the votes they have. I have seen no leaflets, no canvassing, and virtually no posters. A plague on both your houses seems to be the message from the electorate to Labour and the Conservatives. Turnout seems very variable but on the low side too.
A good example of the phenomena where people draw the conclusions most convenient for them.
The Local Government association Chief Exec pointed out that many councillors campaigned on anything BUT Brexit - and we've seen losses on both sides (Sunderland, Labour, Cotswolds, Con) where local council issues may have been at least, if not more, important.
For everyone on this site and on Twitter everything about these elections is all about Brexit.
> @TheScreamingEagles said: > > @Foxy said: > > > > @Pulpstar said: > > > > > @MarqueeMark said: > > > > > > @Cicero said: > > > > > > So Cotswold in Glos, Vale of the White Hirse and South Oxfordshire in Oxon... Any other surprises from the Tory heartlands still to come? > > > > > > > > > > Vale of the White Hearse? > > > > > > > > I have a mental image of people walking in the Cotswolds telling each other how frightful and ghastly Brexit is now. > > > > > > Not just in the Cotswolds, but across much of Shire England, and these are people who vote. > > > > Cotswolds was one of the few non-metropolitan areas to vote Remain at the big Ref. > > > I reckon that was down to Dave. > > They loved him in the Cotswolds.
Cotswold council has acquired a similar reputation to Doncaster in the 1990's.
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> Do you suppose they'll notice if I switch from Emmanuel Kant to 'Yeah, take that mother****ers' in mid sentence if it's a good result?
I suppose one could argue that if Labour lose seats as a result of what is described that the loss is down to unethical behaviour.
> > @MarqueeMark said:
> > > @IanB2 said:
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> > Tories thinking last night wasn't too bad are missing that they are being crushed by the pincers of the Should-be-Dead: both Farage and the LibDems have been re-awoken by May. That is the measure of her shiteness.
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Brexit is the shite doing the reawakening.
And why do we talk about 55/45 areas and 45/55 areas as if they are on different planets?
Councillors/Councils (2007):
Con: +932 / +39
Lab: -665 / -18
LibD: -255 / -4
So while the Tories could easily outdo Labour in terms of losing, Labour aren't within a country mile of matching the Tories on winning.....
https://twitter.com/LibDems/status/1124173785651974144?s=19
Has it occurred to you that that might also be a factor?
> Corbyn is a fucking disaster. The Kali Ma cultists don't get this - people like our policies. And won't vote for them with Jezbollah as leader
Tom Watson lost us 1000 seats Corbyn won 800 back!!
That's as stupid as you sound Comrade.
Labour lost for being too remain though.
Yesterday there was talk of Starmer resigning and going to Change UK. Will this weekend see him and others walk out on Corbyn
I'm worried he might not be able to live up to some of the promises though...
I would have voted for them myself if they'd stood. It appears my disgruntlement with other parties is typical.
> > @Cicero said:
> > So Cotswold in Glos, Vale of the White Hirse and South Oxfordshire in Oxon... Any other surprises from the Tory heartlands still to come?
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> Vale of the White Hearse?
I have a mental image of people walking in the Cotswolds telling each other how frightful and ghastly Brexit is now.
The Lib Dem’s don’t have this problem, and have a better record.
> https://twitter.com/JimMFelton/status/1124047130702827523
Lying liars and the lies they tell.
> > @MarqueeMark said:
> > > @Cicero said:
> > > So Cotswold in Glos, Vale of the White Hirse and South Oxfordshire in Oxon... Any other surprises from the Tory heartlands still to come?
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> I have a mental image of people walking in the Cotswolds telling each other how frightful and ghastly Brexit is now.
Not just in the Cotswolds, but across much of Shire England, and these are people who vote.
> > @AndyJS said:
> > > @OblitusSumMe said:
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> > They were almost wiped out on Ashfield council, they lost seats in Bolsover, Stoke-on-Trent, Walsall, East Yorkshire, Bolton, Hartlepool, Sunderland.
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> The north losing patience with Labour over Brexit
This is the failure of Labour's Brexit strategy. They're losing in northern Leave areas, but in net terms it's the Remain-supporting Greens and Liberal Democrats making gains.
If electing Anna Soubry as Conservative leader made you win the next election and not doing so meant you lost would you want Anna Soubry as the Conservative leader?
The reason you wouldn't want Anna as Conservative leader even if that was the only way to win is because politics isn't football, you aren't in it just to win.
https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1124204378750169088
> > @CarlottaVance said:
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Would find it surprising if he didn't own a home somewhere that did have an election.
> > @RochdalePioneers said:
> > Corbyn is a fucking disaster. The Kali Ma cultists don't get this - people like our policies. And won't vote for them with Jezbollah as leader
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> Tom Watson lost us 1000 seats Corbyn won 800 back!!
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> That's as stupid as you sound Comrade.
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> Labour lost for being too remain though.
Is that the line from the hive mind?
> > @Jonathan said:
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To be fair that was a cut and paste Twitter template from central office.
Boris is like a typical pair of boxer shorts, full of bollocks.
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Temporarily, I assure you.
> > @RobD said:
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> > > > https://twitter.com/JimMFelton/status/1124047130702827523
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> To be fair that was a cut and paste Twitter template from central office.
An allegory for Brexit.
CCHQ does not check the details and Boris does not even read it.
Working my way through the thread it looks like the bad results are starting to hit for the Tories with more that expected today. So for face saving I suppose it’s down to Labou, who can point at bad results for Tories but who at the least don’t seem to be making the headway oppositions shoukd,
Who on the '22 is the Keeper of the Valyrian Steel?
Hit refresh? What is this the Stone Age?
> I went forward in time... to view alternate futures. To see all the possible outcomes of these locals, I saw Fourteen million six hundred and five outcomes, in only one of them did Labour make a net loss of seats at this time.
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> https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1124204378750169088
In any of these 14,000,605 outcomes did we have a functional comment system?
*innocent face*
Lab -5
Con +8
UKIP -2
Ind -1
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48091592
I see JRM's patch when Yellow Peril (for the first time I believe), remember when I said canvassing in West Yorkshire there appeared to be a real anti ERG sentiment out there.
> Just awake, how are we doing for rune rate. Is it a case that Labour shitness is saving Con seats even as Con vote collapses?
I think so far the Conservatives are losing one-third of their seats. If maintained, that would leave them with >1500 losses. So Labour collapse isn't helping the Tories much.
It should have been, 'you're all wankers.'
> BTW amazing number of spoilt papers. None of the above, BREXIT, were common. My particular favourite "Your all wankers"
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> Bad grammar, there.
In most of the results I've seen the number of spoilt papers was much lower than I was expecting. Sunderland had only 300 across the entire council which has an electorate of about 200,000.
Unfortunately many users refused to use it.
(Vanilla)
> BTW amazing number of spoilt papers. None of the above, BREXIT, were common. My particular favourite "Your all wankers"
Where did you see these?
Pretty asinine stuff.
Even if they shoukd no one will care about what’s happened with Labour if the Tories are pushing 1000 losses.
> May has done her Night King act - lifted her arms and caused legions of fallen LibDem councillors to rise again.
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> Who on the '22 is the Keeper of the Valyrian Steel?
Simple to blame TM when the real culprits are ERG who stopped brexit. As TM says she voted 3 times to leave and if the ERG had had sense we would be out now and these results very different.
TM has many faults but she is not the only one in the frame here. Does anyone think Boris or anyone else could have overcome the deadlocked HOC better
> Like every other event in our broken reality everyone- everyone -is going to claim these results prove them right. The only poll that actually resolves this is another referendum.
The voters are in ornery mood. If you asked them today in a Referendum, should we:
A Leave the European Union
B Remain in the European Union
C Burn down Westminster before we do anything else
which outcome do you think would win?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48091592
> I find it hard to credit the ‘tories Not down as much as they might be’ comments with the tracking showing they might lose double the 4-500 that some expected.
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> Even if they shoukd no one will care about what’s happened with Labour if the Tories are pushing 1000 losses.
We'll have to wait and see what happens in the 140 councils still to declare. The extrapolations may not be accurate.
It's at 11 Lib Dems, 6 Conservative, 3 Residents, 3 Independents, 3 Labour, 3 Green
18 needed for a majority, last election it was 33 Con, 1 Lab, 1 Lib, 1 Res.
A functioning Westminster government with a comfortable majority looks a long way off in the future.
> I find it hard to credit the ‘tories Not down as much as they might be’ comments with the tracking showing they might lose double the 4-500 that some expected.
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> Even if they shoukd no one will care about what’s happened with Labour if the Tories are pushing 1000 losses.
Even with 1000 losses, the Conservatives would win more seats than Labour and Lib Dems combined.
> I find it hard to credit the ‘tories Not down as much as they might be’ comments with the tracking showing they might lose double the 4-500 that some expected.
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> Even if they shoukd no one will care about what’s happened with Labour if the Tories are pushing 1000 losses.
Tories were flattered by some early gains against Labour in the urban North. As the county results come in the situation will get much worse for them.
Teaching is partly about people learning to challenge things so do it and see if they think it odd Kant would say that,
I think what this does show is that Remain voters are angry and turning out to punish the people who are trying to deliver on the referendum result, whereas Leave voters - are not.
It's like in Scotland, albeit at a much lower level.
Have a good morning.
Maybe, absolutely, possibly.
> I find it hard to credit the ‘tories Not down as much as they might be’ comments with the tracking showing they might lose double the 4-500 that some expected.
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> Even if they shoukd no one will care about what’s happened with Labour if the Tories are pushing 1000 losses.
I think that is rather partisan. The conservatives are going to get a going over by the lib dems but labour in leave areas are in a mess and the media are concentrating on poor results for both parties and the lib dems, greens and independents doing very well
The lesson for ERG is that the conservatives are under serious threat throughout the shires and the south and in these areas the electorate are pro remain, not brexit
forced to take the LibDems seriously again. Vince will
be back on telly. Since the LibDems lost their third party
status to the SNP there has been no need to invite
LibDems as guests or panellists. That will change.
> > @mr-claypole said:
> > Like every other event in our broken reality everyone- everyone -is going to claim these results prove them right. The only poll that actually resolves this is another referendum.
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> The voters are in ornery mood. If you asked them today in a Referendum, should we:
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> A Leave the European Union
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> B Remain in the European Union
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> C Burn down Westminster before we do anything else
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> which outcome do you think would win?
B
https://twitter.com/paulmasonnews/status/1124206446630121472
> > @Pulpstar said:
> > > @MarqueeMark said:
> > > > @Cicero said:
> > > > So Cotswold in Glos, Vale of the White Hirse and South Oxfordshire in Oxon... Any other surprises from the Tory heartlands still to come?
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> > > Vale of the White Hearse?
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> > I have a mental image of people walking in the Cotswolds telling each other how frightful and ghastly Brexit is now.
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> Not just in the Cotswolds, but across much of Shire England, and these are people who vote.
Cotswolds was one of the few non-metropolitan areas to vote Remain at the big Ref.
Always ask what’s the easiest route,
> > @kle4 said:
> > I find it hard to credit the ‘tories Not down as much as they might be’ comments with the tracking showing they might lose double the 4-500 that some expected.
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> > Even if they shoukd no one will care about what’s happened with Labour if the Tories are pushing 1000 losses.
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> Even with 1000 losses, the Conservatives would win more seats than Labour and Lib Dems combined.
It's England ex London. Of course the Tories will win
> > @bigjohnowls said:
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> > > @RochdalePioneers said:
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> > > Corbyn is a fucking disaster. The Kali Ma cultists don't get this - people like our policies. And won't vote for them with Jezbollah as leader
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> > Tom Watson lost us 1000 seats Corbyn won 800 back!!
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> > That's as stupid as you sound Comrade.
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> > Labour lost for being too remain though.
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> Is that the line from the hive mind?
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> I think the hive are mainly concentrating their fire on Corbyn...
By sitting on the fence he's managed to get the worst of both worlds, alienating both his Leave and Remain constituencies.
> > @kle4 said:
> > I find it hard to credit the ‘tories Not down as much as they might be’ comments with the tracking showing they might lose double the 4-500 that some expected.
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> > Even if they shoukd no one will care about what’s happened with Labour if the Tories are pushing 1000 losses.
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> Tories were flattered by some early gains against Labour in the urban North. As the county results come in the situation will get much worse for them.
The county results in the Midlands are fairly neutral between the two big parties.
I reckon that was down to Dave.
They loved him in the Cotswolds.
> Chelmsford (‘Leave area’) - Tories lose 31, LibDems gain 26 and take control
I suspect these results will correlate closely with housing affordability.
Where housing is affordable we will see a shift to the right.
where housing is unaffordable we will see a shift to the left.
https://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/1124099501394935808
> Changes in Stoke-on-Trent:
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> Lab -5
> Con +8
> UKIP -2
> Ind -1
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> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48091592
We're seeing the Alf Garnetisation of the Tory Party.
In the real world? Not so much.
But I never expected Labour to lose control of the council.
> > @Foxy said:
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> > > @Pulpstar said:
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> > > > @MarqueeMark said:
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> > > > > @Cicero said:
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> > > > > So Cotswold in Glos, Vale of the White Hirse and South Oxfordshire in Oxon... Any other surprises from the Tory heartlands still to come?
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> > > > Vale of the White Hearse?
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> > > I have a mental image of people walking in the Cotswolds telling each other how frightful and ghastly Brexit is now.
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> > Not just in the Cotswolds, but across much of Shire England, and these are people who vote.
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> Cotswolds was one of the few non-metropolitan areas to vote Remain at the big Ref.
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> I reckon that was down to Dave.
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> They loved him in the Cotswolds.
Cotswold council has acquired a similar reputation to Doncaster in the 1990's.