> @HYUFD said: > > @Roger said: > > > @HYUFD said: > > > > @Roger said: > > > > > @El_Capitano said: > > > > > This may be a hostage to fortune but I wonder if the news is only going to get better for the Lib Dems from today onwards. > > > > > > > > > > Labour is showing every sign of tacking towards a Brexit deal with the Tories as a reaction to tonight: > > > > > > > > > > https://twitter.com/johnmcdonnellMP/status/1124210656146862080 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At which point, bye-bye Remain vote. And so far the Lib Dems look to be the chief beneficiaries. > > > > > > > > Remainer's are made of sterner stuff. If and when we leave the campain to rejoin will start almost immediately and depending how bad things get leading that could be quite a powerful force by 2021/22. > > > > > > We had several ballot papers last night with just 'Brexit' scrawled across them > > > > Hard luck by the way. Someone posted that you lost very narrowly. > Thanks, yes lost by 2 votes after a recount to the Mayor elect for the final seat but there we go not much you can do about that >
Losing by that sort of margin is very tough. All sorts of 'what ifs' in your agent's mind, if not yours.
> @noneoftheabove said: > The LD bounce looks like very bad timing for Change UK, but equally CHUK polling even 5% could cost the LDs a fair proportion of potential seats in any GE. > > For Labour, I am unsure how vulnerable Corbyn is, but it is hard to see him becoming more vulnerable than he is now in the next couple of years, out of line with his party on Brexit and performing badly electorally. Time for a challenge there. > > For the Tories, they remain stuck, a change of leader does not change the parliamentary arithmetic and going into a GE to change it would be incredibly risky. The alternative of paralysis just leaks votes to all sides, not sure what they can do, but time may create some opportunities later on.
A change of Tory leader might not change the parliamentary arithmetic but it does usually come with a honeymoon period which gives them a chance to ditch May’s toxic agenda and elected a leader who is actually has some charisma and non Brexit policies, neither of which May has. Whether they take that chance is something we’ll only find out if they get off their backsides and ditch her. Not sure the local election results are bad enough for that.
> @HYUFD said: > > @Roger said: > > > @HYUFD said: > > > > @Roger said: > > > > > @El_Capitano said: > > > > > This may be a hostage to fortune but I wonder if the news is only going to get better for the Lib Dems from today onwards. > > > > > > > > > > Labour is showing every sign of tacking towards a Brexit deal with the Tories as a reaction to tonight: > > > > > > > > > > https://twitter.com/johnmcdonnellMP/status/1124210656146862080 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At which point, bye-bye Remain vote. And so far the Lib Dems look to be the chief beneficiaries. > > > > > > > > Remainer's are made of sterner stuff. If and when we leave the campain to rejoin will start almost immediately and depending how bad things get leading that could be quite a powerful force by 2021/22. > > > > > > We had several ballot papers last night with just 'Brexit' scrawled across them > > > > Hard luck by the way. Someone posted that you lost very narrowly. > Thanks, yes lost by 2 votes after a recount to the Mayor elect for the final seat but there we go not much you can do about that >
Bad luck. You should be proud of your efforts even if you are gutted right now.
> @Peter_the_Punter said: > > @El_Capitano said: > > It's the creeping Gloucesterization of Oxfordshire! Today, Abingdon - tomorrow the Wold! > > > > Bring it on! > > > > But then we are about to get some new town signs that proudly proclaim us as part of the Cotswolds while omitting the Oxfordshire bit. > > Won't stop the border raids on Burford, mate. Lock up yer wimmin!
Abingdon was the country town of Berkshire and most of the Vale is Old berks too. So Maybe it's south of the Thames you should worry about
> @TOPPING said: > Thanks, yes lost by 2 votes after a recount to the Mayor elect for the final seat but there we go not much you can do about that > > Sorry to hear that well done you for standing (up) in the face of it all. > > At least the twats who scrawled "Brexit" on the ballot paper are at risk of being thought ardent Remainers.
Thanks, yes the Brexit spoilers were not very subtle and could be interpreted differently depending on the interpreter
Given the lib dems hardly trouble the scorers when it comes to VI polls, makes you wonder if the pooling companies are really picking up what is going on.
> @FrancisUrquhart said: > Given the lib dems hardly trouble the scorers when it comes to VI polls, makes you wonder if the pooling companies are really picking up what is going on.
Yes this is a big gap over the VI polls: like double
In news elsewhere the French Interior minister has been accused of making up a riot outside a hospital which led to arrests on May Day. He says demonstrators were violent but all the video footage from the press shows nothing happened.
Could be a resignation in the offing and Macron loses a key ally.
> @malcolmg said: > > @MarqueeMark said: > > > > @mr-claypole said: > > > > Like every other event in our broken reality everyone- everyone -is going to claim these results prove them right. The only poll that actually resolves this is another referendum. > > > > > > The voters are in ornery mood. If you asked them today in a Referendum, should we: > > > > > > A Leave the European Union > > > > > > B Remain in the European Union > > > > > > C Burn down Westminster before we do anything else > > > > > > which outcome do you think would win? > > > > B > > I would go with C
Not surprised. Nationalists and their close cousins the fascists are very keen on burning things, books, holiday homes, parliaments.
John Curtice, who I’m not sure has yet slept, has told Today that the Lib Dem gains do not seem to be motivated by Brexit. He says evidence of the party performing better in remain than leave areas is “lacking”. [LabourList]
> > > Corbyn is a fucking disaster. The Kali Ma cultists don't get this - people like our policies. And won't vote for them with Jezbollah as leader
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> > Tom Watson lost us 1000 seats Corbyn won 800 back!!
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> > That's as stupid as you sound Comrade.
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> > Labour lost for being too remain though.
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> Is that the line from the hive mind?
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> I think the hive are mainly concentrating their fire on Corbyn...
By sitting on the fence he's managed to get the worst of both worlds, alienating both his Leave and Remain constituencies.
Going more remainy would leave an opening for the Tories, going more leavey difficult to do with the PLP and members. If you can read something from the local elections* it is warning Labour off keeping on pushing towards remain.
*Which maybe you can't nationally.
"t is warning Labour off keeping on pushing towards remain."
You keep on parroting that line, but I've seen f-all evidence pre-election that Labour have been 'pushing' towards Remain.
Every time they refuse to vote fir Brexit they are, every time masses of their MPs tell everyone they want to remain they are. Many are clear any deal even a Labour one must go to referendum which they want to mean remain.
Yes the leadership are not there. But the idea Labour mps would permit any Brexit is just as much a unicorn as many Tories. They say they might leave if s but if x won’t happen we can discount what they say.
*Some* Labour MPs.
They're like the Conservatives - hopelessly split, but with the advantage that they don't politically have to sort the mess out.
> @CarlottaVance said: > John Curtice, who I’m not sure has yet slept, has told Today that the Lib Dem gains do not seem to be motivated by Brexit. He says evidence of the party performing better in remain than leave areas is “lacking”. > [LabourList] > > I think the evidence is mixed. > > https://twitter.com/drjennings/status/1124170369508704257
I guess if you are a Lib Dem inclined remain voter you are probably more regularly reminded about the madness known as Brexit in Leave dominated areas, and therefore have a higher inclination to go to the polling booth.
> @OldKingCole said: > > @HYUFD said: > > > @Roger said: > > > > @HYUFD said: > > > > > @Roger said: > > > > > > @El_Capitano said: > > > > > > This may be a hostage to fortune but I wonder if the news is only going to get better for the Lib Dems from today onwards. > > > > > > > > > > > > Labour is showing every sign of tacking towards a Brexit deal with the Tories as a reaction to tonight: > > > > > > > > > > > > https://twitter.com/johnmcdonnellMP/status/1124210656146862080 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At which point, bye-bye Remain vote. And so far the Lib Dems look to be the chief beneficiaries. > > > > > > > > > > Remainer's are made of sterner stuff. If and when we leave the campain to rejoin will start almost immediately and depending how bad things get leading that could be quite a powerful force by 2021/22. > > > > > > > > We had several ballot papers last night with just 'Brexit' scrawled across them > > > > > > Hard luck by the way. Someone posted that you lost very narrowly. > > Thanks, yes lost by 2 votes after a recount to the Mayor elect for the final seat but there we go not much you can do about that > > > > Losing by that sort of margin is very tough. All sorts of 'what ifs' in your agent's mind, if not yours.
The main thing was we won 1 district seat we thought we could have lost, losing a town seat by 2 votes is a little disappointing for me personally but not the end of the world
> @CarlottaVance said: > John Curtice, who I’m not sure has yet slept, has told Today that the Lib Dem gains do not seem to be motivated by Brexit. He says evidence of the party performing better in remain than leave areas is “lacking”. > [LabourList] > > I think the evidence is mixed. > > https://twitter.com/drjennings/status/1124170369508704257
Even in strongly Leave areas, there is a substantial minority of Remainers, who are politically homeless if both the main parties are pro Brexit. I am not too surprised at LD and Green gains in parts of Sunderland.
A good example of the phenomena where people draw the conclusions most convenient for them.
The Local Government association Chief Exec pointed out that many councillors campaigned on anything BUT Brexit - and we've seen losses on both sides (Sunderland, Labour, Cotswolds, Con) where local council issues may have been at least, if not more, important.
For everyone on this site and on Twitter everything about these elections is all about Brexit.
In the real world? Not so much.
That's even worse for the tories if that's the case.
> John Curtice, who I’m not sure has yet slept, has told Today that the Lib Dem gains do not seem to be motivated by Brexit. He says evidence of the party performing better in remain than leave areas is “lacking”.
> @Dura_Ace said: > https://twitter.com/damocrat/status/1124170279545077761 > > > > A good example of the phenomena where people draw the conclusions most convenient for them. > > The Local Government association Chief Exec pointed out that many councillors campaigned on anything BUT Brexit - and we've seen losses on both sides (Sunderland, Labour, Cotswolds, Con) where local council issues may have been at least, if not more, important. > > For everyone on this site and on Twitter everything about these elections is all about Brexit. > > In the real world? Not so much. > > That's even worse for the tories if that's the case.
John Curtice, who I’m not sure has yet slept, has told Today that the Lib Dem gains do not seem to be motivated by Brexit. He says evidence of the party performing better in remain than leave areas is “lacking”. [LabourList]
> @HYUFD said: > > @AndyJS said: > > HYUFD: do you mind me asking on which town council you were seeking election? > > Epping
Thanks. Funnily enough I visited Epping tube station for the first time about 3 weeks ago when I was trying to do the tube challenge of visiting every station in the fastest possible time.
Yes the gloss has come off Labour. The free pass they got at the last election is unlikely to happen again and they will have to do something to attract Greens and Libdems
09.24 Labour chair Ian Lavery, appearing on BBC News, says the “clear message is that the two parties need to get on and get Brexit sorted.” Voters have “voted with their feet, they’ve voted for change”. He says he shares voters’ frustration because both Labour and the Tories “agreed we would be leaving the EU, we would have Brexit…and that hasn’t happened.” Voters are “frustrated, they’re angry, and we’ll take that on board.”
I think there will continue to be a lot of straw clutching on both sides. Brexit continues to be the most divisive political issue in British history, certainly since the civil war. Thanks David Cameron!
> Chelmsford (‘Leave area’) - Tories lose 31, LibDems gain 26 and take control
I know one of the Tory councillors who lost there. He said development was a huge factor. I suspect he wasn’t the only one to go because of that particular issue. Theresa May and Nick Boles - Labour’s dream team.
To provide a further anecdote, in the absence of evidence, I grew up there and still have several old school friends in the city, mostly quite annoyed about Brexit - most voted Con in 2015 GE, mixed but largely Lab in 2017 (on Brexit, thinking they'd come round to anti-Brexit, inexplicably, but also for bits of Labour's platform, rail nationalisation etc) and yesterday almost all LD, again on Brexit having finally woken up to Labour's position. None mentioned housing, but they're all mid-late 30s and homeowners (and mostly metropolitan liberal elite, I guess ;-) so maybe not a big thing for them. Those I've been in contact with are quite shocked, but delighted by yesterday's council result.
Chelmsford has been LD before, but not since late-90s and LD have been nowhere in recent GEs in the constituency.
> @Nigel_Foremain said: > > @Dura_Ace said: > > https://twitter.com/damocrat/status/1124170279545077761 > > > > > > > > A good example of the phenomena where people draw the conclusions most convenient for them. > > > > The Local Government association Chief Exec pointed out that many councillors campaigned on anything BUT Brexit - and we've seen losses on both sides (Sunderland, Labour, Cotswolds, Con) where local council issues may have been at least, if not more, important. > > > > For everyone on this site and on Twitter everything about these elections is all about Brexit. > > > > In the real world? Not so much. > > > > That's even worse for the tories if that's the case. > > Brexit fanatics clearly getting worried.
They have good cause to. The WDA needs passing in the next few weeks or brexit is not going to happen
Anti-Brexiteers thinking that they have won. No, Brexiteers have stayed at home because their parties have followed the anti-bexiteer position. Roll on Euros for a right shellacking.
They have good cause to. The WDA needs passing in the next few weeks or brexit is not going to happen
The WDA is a load of wank that is worse than both remain and no deal for different reasons. The only possible motivation to vote for it is slavish loyalty that puts the interests of the tory party ahead of those of the country.
> @DoubleD said: > Anti-Brexiteers thinking that they have won. No, Brexiteers have stayed at home because their parties have followed the anti-bexiteer position. Roll on Euros for a right shellacking.
I have little doubt that this has been a poor night for brexiteers and while the Brexit party will do well in the EU elections I expect the total leave vote will be considerably less than the vote for remain parties
> I am just surprised how little work the LD’s appear to have had to do to pick up the votes they have. I have seen no leaflets, no canvassing, and virtually no posters. A plague on both your houses seems to be the message from the electorate to Labour and the Conservatives. Turnout seems very variable but on the low side too.
I keep saying that the 'ground game' is a load of nonsense. It just makes activists feel good about themselves. In all but a handful of cases elections are determined on the national agenda.
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> > @Roger said:
> > > @HYUFD said:
> > > > @Roger said:
> > > > > @El_Capitano said:
> > > > > This may be a hostage to fortune but I wonder if the news is only going to get better for the Lib Dems from today onwards.
> > > > >
> > > > > Labour is showing every sign of tacking towards a Brexit deal with the Tories as a reaction to tonight:
> > > > >
> > > > > https://twitter.com/johnmcdonnellMP/status/1124210656146862080
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> > > > > At which point, bye-bye Remain vote. And so far the Lib Dems look to be the chief beneficiaries.
> > > >
> > > > Remainer's are made of sterner stuff. If and when we leave the campain to rejoin will start almost immediately and depending how bad things get leading that could be quite a powerful force by 2021/22.
> > >
> > > We had several ballot papers last night with just 'Brexit' scrawled across them
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> > Hard luck by the way. Someone posted that you lost very narrowly.
> Thanks, yes lost by 2 votes after a recount to the Mayor elect for the final seat but there we go not much you can do about that
>
Losing by that sort of margin is very tough. All sorts of 'what ifs' in your agent's mind, if not yours.
At least the twats who scrawled "Brexit" on the ballot paper are at risk of being thought ardent Remainers.
> The LD bounce looks like very bad timing for Change UK, but equally CHUK polling even 5% could cost the LDs a fair proportion of potential seats in any GE.
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> For Labour, I am unsure how vulnerable Corbyn is, but it is hard to see him becoming more vulnerable than he is now in the next couple of years, out of line with his party on Brexit and performing badly electorally. Time for a challenge there.
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> For the Tories, they remain stuck, a change of leader does not change the parliamentary arithmetic and going into a GE to change it would be incredibly risky. The alternative of paralysis just leaks votes to all sides, not sure what they can do, but time may create some opportunities later on.
A change of Tory leader might not change the parliamentary arithmetic but it does usually come with a honeymoon period which gives them a chance to ditch May’s toxic agenda and elected a leader who is actually has some charisma and non Brexit policies, neither of which May has. Whether they take that chance is something we’ll only find out if they get off their backsides and ditch her. Not sure the local election results are bad enough for that.
> > @Roger said:
> > > @HYUFD said:
> > > > @Roger said:
> > > > > @El_Capitano said:
> > > > > This may be a hostage to fortune but I wonder if the news is only going to get better for the Lib Dems from today onwards.
> > > > >
> > > > > Labour is showing every sign of tacking towards a Brexit deal with the Tories as a reaction to tonight:
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> > > > > https://twitter.com/johnmcdonnellMP/status/1124210656146862080
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> > > > > At which point, bye-bye Remain vote. And so far the Lib Dems look to be the chief beneficiaries.
> > > >
> > > > Remainer's are made of sterner stuff. If and when we leave the campain to rejoin will start almost immediately and depending how bad things get leading that could be quite a powerful force by 2021/22.
> > >
> > > We had several ballot papers last night with just 'Brexit' scrawled across them
> >
> > Hard luck by the way. Someone posted that you lost very narrowly.
> Thanks, yes lost by 2 votes after a recount to the Mayor elect for the final seat but there we go not much you can do about that
>
Bad luck. You should be proud of your efforts even if you are gutted right now.
> https://twitter.com/politicshome/status/1124218282750332928
It would be quite astounding if a tory website got any other result.
> https://twitter.com/LeighBoobyer/status/1124161131873017856
Depends WHERE he wrote it, I guess.
> > @El_Capitano said:
> > It's the creeping Gloucesterization of Oxfordshire! Today, Abingdon - tomorrow the Wold!
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> > Bring it on!
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> > But then we are about to get some new town signs that proudly proclaim us as part of the Cotswolds while omitting the Oxfordshire bit.
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> Won't stop the border raids on Burford, mate. Lock up yer wimmin!
Abingdon was the country town of Berkshire and most of the Vale is Old berks too. So Maybe it's south of the Thames you should worry about
> Thanks, yes lost by 2 votes after a recount to the Mayor elect for the final seat but there we go not much you can do about that
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> Sorry to hear that well done you for standing (up) in the face of it all.
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> At least the twats who scrawled "Brexit" on the ballot paper are at risk of being thought ardent Remainers.
Thanks, yes the Brexit spoilers were not very subtle and could be interpreted differently depending on the interpreter
> https://twitter.com/gavinesler/status/1124225150075977728
LOL. Talk about clutching at straws.
https://twitter.com/matthewchampion/status/1124225019951898624
> > @CarlottaVance said:
> > https://twitter.com/politicshome/status/1124218282750332928
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> It would be quite astounding if a tory website got any other result.
Since when has PoliticsHome been a Tory website? I think you are confusing it with ConservativeHome.
> Given the lib dems hardly trouble the scorers when it comes to VI polls, makes you wonder if the pooling companies are really picking up what is going on.
Yes this is a big gap over the VI polls: like double
Could be a resignation in the offing and Macron loses a key ally.
http://www.lefigaro.fr/politique/le-scan/pitie-salpetriere-la-majorite-vole-au-secours-de-christophe-castaner-20190503
> > @MarqueeMark said:
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> > > @mr-claypole said:
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> > > Like every other event in our broken reality everyone- everyone -is going to claim these results prove them right. The only poll that actually resolves this is another referendum.
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> > The voters are in ornery mood. If you asked them today in a Referendum, should we:
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> I would go with C
Not surprised. Nationalists and their close cousins the fascists are very keen on burning things, books, holiday homes, parliaments.
[LabourList]
I think the evidence is mixed.
https://twitter.com/drjennings/status/1124170369508704257
They're like the Conservatives - hopelessly split, but with the advantage that they don't politically have to sort the mess out.
> John Curtice, who I’m not sure has yet slept, has told Today that the Lib Dem gains do not seem to be motivated by Brexit. He says evidence of the party performing better in remain than leave areas is “lacking”.
> [LabourList]
>
> I think the evidence is mixed.
>
> https://twitter.com/drjennings/status/1124170369508704257
I guess if you are a Lib Dem inclined remain voter you are probably more regularly reminded about the madness known as Brexit in Leave dominated areas, and therefore have a higher inclination to go to the polling booth.
>
> In news elsewhere the French Interior minister has been accused of making up a riot outside a hospital which led to arrests on May Day. He says demonstrators were violent but all the video footage from the press shows nothing happened.
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> Could be a resignation in the offing and Macron loses a key ally.
>
> http://www.lefigaro.fr/politique/le-scan/pitie-salpetriere-la-majorite-vole-au-secours-de-christophe-castaner-20190503
You would think France has had enough actual riots without needing pretendy riots.
> > @HYUFD said:
> > > @Roger said:
> > > > @HYUFD said:
> > > > > @Roger said:
> > > > > > @El_Capitano said:
> > > > > > This may be a hostage to fortune but I wonder if the news is only going to get better for the Lib Dems from today onwards.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Labour is showing every sign of tacking towards a Brexit deal with the Tories as a reaction to tonight:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://twitter.com/johnmcdonnellMP/status/1124210656146862080
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > At which point, bye-bye Remain vote. And so far the Lib Dems look to be the chief beneficiaries.
> > > > >
> > > > > Remainer's are made of sterner stuff. If and when we leave the campain to rejoin will start almost immediately and depending how bad things get leading that could be quite a powerful force by 2021/22.
> > > >
> > > > We had several ballot papers last night with just 'Brexit' scrawled across them
> > >
> > > Hard luck by the way. Someone posted that you lost very narrowly.
> > Thanks, yes lost by 2 votes after a recount to the Mayor elect for the final seat but there we go not much you can do about that
> >
>
> Losing by that sort of margin is very tough. All sorts of 'what ifs' in your agent's mind, if not yours.
The main thing was we won 1 district seat we thought we could have lost, losing a town seat by 2 votes is a little disappointing for me personally but not the end of the world
> John Curtice, who I’m not sure has yet slept, has told Today that the Lib Dem gains do not seem to be motivated by Brexit. He says evidence of the party performing better in remain than leave areas is “lacking”.
> [LabourList]
>
> I think the evidence is mixed.
>
> https://twitter.com/drjennings/status/1124170369508704257
Even in strongly Leave areas, there is a substantial minority of Remainers, who are politically homeless if both the main parties are pro Brexit. I am not too surprised at LD and Green gains in parts of Sunderland.
> https://twitter.com/damocrat/status/1124170279545077761
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> A good example of the phenomena where people draw the conclusions most convenient for them.
>
> The Local Government association Chief Exec pointed out that many councillors campaigned on anything BUT Brexit - and we've seen losses on both sides (Sunderland, Labour, Cotswolds, Con) where local council issues may have been at least, if not more, important.
>
> For everyone on this site and on Twitter everything about these elections is all about Brexit.
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> In the real world? Not so much.
>
> That's even worse for the tories if that's the case.
Brexit fanatics clearly getting worried.
> > @AndyJS said:
> > HYUFD: do you mind me asking on which town council you were seeking election?
>
> Epping
Thanks. Funnily enough I visited Epping tube station for the first time about 3 weeks ago when I was trying to do the tube challenge of visiting every station in the fastest possible time.
> https://twitter.com/rosskempsell/status/1124217410612076544
Yes the gloss has come off Labour. The free pass they got at the last election is unlikely to happen again and they will have to do something to attract Greens and Libdems
LabourList
> > @Scott_P said:
> > https://twitter.com/gavinesler/status/1124225150075977728
>
> LOL. Talk about clutching at straws.
I think there will continue to be a lot of straw clutching on both sides. Brexit continues to be the most divisive political issue in British history, certainly since the civil war. Thanks David Cameron!
Chelmsford has been LD before, but not since late-90s and LD have been nowhere in recent GEs in the constituency.
> > @Dura_Ace said:
> > https://twitter.com/damocrat/status/1124170279545077761
> >
> >
> >
> > A good example of the phenomena where people draw the conclusions most convenient for them.
> >
> > The Local Government association Chief Exec pointed out that many councillors campaigned on anything BUT Brexit - and we've seen losses on both sides (Sunderland, Labour, Cotswolds, Con) where local council issues may have been at least, if not more, important.
> >
> > For everyone on this site and on Twitter everything about these elections is all about Brexit.
> >
> > In the real world? Not so much.
> >
> > That's even worse for the tories if that's the case.
>
> Brexit fanatics clearly getting worried.
They have good cause to. The WDA needs passing in the next few weeks or brexit is not going to happen
> > @Scott_P said:
> > https://twitter.com/gavinesler/status/1124225150075977728
>
> LOL. Talk about clutching at straws.
>
Indeed. The only credible and unequivocal pro-Brexit party didn't stand in a single seat.
I wonder if he dares to repeat that methodology in 3 weeks time.
I am looking forward to him not being elected as an MEP.
> Anti-Brexiteers thinking that they have won. No, Brexiteers have stayed at home because their parties have followed the anti-bexiteer position. Roll on Euros for a right shellacking.
I have little doubt that this has been a poor night for brexiteers and while the Brexit party will do well in the EU elections I expect the total leave vote will be considerably less than the vote for remain parties
UKIP (Uber Leave) -32%
Con (Hard Leave) -26%
Lab (Soft Leave) -6%
LD (Remain) +109%
Green (Remain) +500%
Message seems very clear - the UK now wants to Remain.
> Proportionate change in seat numbers, currently:
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> UKIP (Uber Leave) -32%
> Con (Hard Leave) -26%
> Lab (Soft Leave) -6%
> LD (Remain) +109%
> Green (Remain) +500%
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> Message seems very clear - the UK now wants to Remain.
And save the planet.
> > @Streeter said:
> > Proportionate change in seat numbers, currently:
> >
> > UKIP (Uber Leave) -32%
> > Con (Hard Leave) -26%
> > Lab (Soft Leave) -6%
> > LD (Remain) +109%
> > Green (Remain) +500%
> >
> > Message seems very clear - the UK now wants to Remain.
>
> And save the planet.
Er, no. Leavers stayed at home.
That went better than anticipated