It's great to see all these Tories outing themselves. I mean, I always suspected they were proto-fascists, but when you align yourself with Farage, the case is closed.
The fascists are going to get a lot of votes at the upcoming election. Just sayin'
I wonder what total percentage the parties led by Corbyn, Farage and Batten will get at the Euro elections...
Using terms like fascist or p. This isn't about fascism or anything like it. Calm down.
The constant politics.
Labeling people as members of Death Cults in the age of ISIS is just fine and dandy though.
No deal Leavers show all the markings of a cult and are completely indifferent to any chaos, death and destruction that it will cause. Hence, death cult.
Your use of it is risible and demeans you. You clearly need to have that pointed out.
No deal Leavers’ constant loyalty tests, shunning of the unclean and messianic belief in the redemptive powers of Brexit no matter what the human cost make it a sober description.
You don’t like it? Tough. Show some interest in the human suffering your deranged policy position could cause.
It's not my policy position. I've always supported May's deal.
You just sound rather deranged using such a stupid epithet.
I’m still awaiting a straight answer from Leavers as to how many avoidable deaths they think would be tolerable as a result of a No Deal Brexit. They seem to think it’s an unfair question, which is only conceivably the case if the answer is not zero.
But the cleansing power of Brexit will no doubt wash away their sins.
it;s just a stupid question
we have avoidable deaths atm. the question should be about additional avoidable deaths
I struggle to believe you are allowed to work on pensions
Learn to read.
“ how many avoidable deaths... as a result of No Deal Brexit”.
I struggle to believe that you can’t come up with a better answer than that.
It's a question along the lines of "when did you last stop beating your wife." You are not expecting anyone to give an answer to it.
I've just downloaded 28MB of tweets from Change UK candidates' feeds.
Read them with an open mind and you may learn something, or is that not your intention?
I did have an open mind about TIG. I hoped that they might have some fresh ideas and bring some fresh energy to centre-left politics, just as (say) the Green Party do.
That said, I've just found something that will probably torpedo the Conservatives' chances in my local seat this time round, so that'll do for now (not an embarrassing tweet, a development policy that'll screw over a lot of local people).
I quite like some individual Tiggers, but the collective is a big disappointment. LD in the Locals and Green in the Euros for me. Young Greta has inspired me.
Fake news is pretty powerful as a propaganda tool, isn't it.
She sounds like something out of Viz meets the Daily Mash.
KUWAITI ACADEMIC CLAIMS GAY MEN HAVE AN 'ANAL WORM' THAT 'FEEDS ON SEMEN' Mariam Al-Sohel argued the anal worm makes gay men attracted to other men
An academic in Kuwait has claimed she has a ‘cure’ for homosexuality saying gay men have an ‘anal worm’ that ‘feeds on semen’.
Mariam Al-Sohel claimed on Scope TV that she believes there are four genders – male, female, feminine gay men and butch lesbians – and she explained how she has found a cure for being gay based on Islamic prophecy.
She said: “I discovered therapeutic suppositories that curb the sexual urges of boys of the third gender.
“As well as the fourth gender, which is butch lesbians. This is all science, so there’s nothing to be ashamed of.
In what subject is her PhD and where did she she get it?
Piss poor due diligence is the cause of this. I am not surprised.
Due diligence on employees is usually one of banks' - and I expect other employers as well - weakest spots. The stories I could tell!
People simply don't take this stuff seriously enough. And given the very tight timetable which CUK gave themselves I'm not surprised they are finding all sorts of stuff now which ought to have been picked up sooner.
umm, I think TSE posted this as a general interest story. The suggestion that she is standing in the euro elections is a frivolous one.
I was responding to the points raised about some potential CUK MEPs not having been vetted well enough.
The role of Guv of the Bank of England has gone out to headhunters.
Word is they would like a woman.
CV up to date?
Carney shafted the best candidate when he lied about something she had told him
She sounds like something out of Viz meets the Daily Mash.
KUWAITI ACADEMIC CLAIMS GAY MEN HAVE AN 'ANAL WORM' THAT 'FEEDS ON SEMEN' Mariam Al-Sohel argued the anal worm makes gay men attracted to other men
An academic in Kuwait has claimed she has a ‘cure’ for homosexuality saying gay men have an ‘anal worm’ that ‘feeds on semen’.
Mariam Al-Sohel claimed on Scope TV that she believes there are four genders – male, female, feminine gay men and butch lesbians – and she explained how she has found a cure for being gay based on Islamic prophecy.
She said: “I discovered therapeutic suppositories that curb the sexual urges of boys of the third gender.
“As well as the fourth gender, which is butch lesbians. This is all science, so there’s nothing to be ashamed of.
In what subject is her PhD and where did she she get it?
Piss poor due diligence is the cause of this. I am not surprised.
Due diligence on employees is usually one of banks' - and I expect other employers as well - weakest spots. The stories I could tell!
People simply don't take this stuff seriously enough. And given the very tight timetable which CUK gave themselves I'm not surprised they are finding all sorts of stuff now which ought to have been picked up sooner.
umm, I think TSE posted this as a general interest story. The suggestion that she is standing in the euro elections is a frivolous one.
I was responding to the points raised about some potential CUK MEPs not having been vetted well enough.
The role of Guv of the Bank of England has gone out to headhunters.
Word is they would like a woman.
CV up to date?
Carney shafted the best candidate when he lied about something she had told him
The fascists are going to get a lot of votes at the upcoming election. Just sayin'
I wonder what total percentage the parties led by Corbyn, Farage and Batten will get at the Euro elections...
Using terms like fascist or proto-fascist for politicians who run robust democratic campaigns and appeal to millions of centrist voters - the sort who often vote Tory or Labour - is a bad use of language and does not advance an argument. People keep forgetting that our political debate is in divisive turmoil because the centrist population has been split (16m - 17m approx.) on a binary issue. This isn't about fascism or anything like it. Calm down.
The constant appeals to the
Labeling people as members of Death Cults in the age of ISIS is just fine and dandy though.
No deal Leavers show all the markings of a cult and are completely indifferent to any chaos, death and destruction that it will cause. Hence, death cult.
Your use of it is risible and demeans you. You clearly need to have that pointed out.
No deal Leavers’ constant loyalty e.
It's not my policy position. I've always supported May's deal.
You just sound rather deranged using such a stupid epithet.
I’m still awaiting a straight answer from Leavers as to how many avoidable deaths they think would be tolerable as a result of a No Deal Brexit. They seem to think it’s an unfair question, which is only conceivably the case if the answer is not zero.
But the cleansing power of Brexit will no doubt wash away their sins.
While Brexiteers are rather cavalier about the sufferings of others, I think that deaths are unlikely. A certain amount of administrative and logistic chaos certainly, but the reality of No Deal Brexit will be a damp squib. A bit like waking up with a hangover in piss stained trousers having insulted everyone at the office party.
Just for you...
St Dunstan was once asked to reshoe the Devil’s cloven hoof. He fixed a red hot shoe to it and refused to remove it until the Devil promised never to enter any building with a horseshoe afixed to the wall (the origin of the superstition)
It's great to see all these Tories outing themselves. I mean, I always suspected they were proto-fascists, but when you align yourself with Farage, the case is closed.
The fascists are going to get a lot of votes at the upcoming election. Just sayin'
I wonde elections...
Using terms like fascist or p. This isn't about fascism or anything like it. Calm down.
The constant politics.
Labeling people as members of Death Cults in the age of ISIS is just fine and dandy though.
No deal Leavers show all the markings . Hence, death cult.
Your use of it is risible and demeans you. You clearly need to have that pointed out.
No deal Leavers’ c cause.
It's not my policy position. I've always supported May's deal.
You just sound rather deranged using such a stupid epithet.
I’m still awaiting a straight answer from Leavers as to how many avoidable deaths they think would be tolerable as a result of a No Deal Brexit. They seem to think it’s an unfair question, which is only conceivably the case if the answer is not zero.
But the cleansing power of Brexit will no doubt wash away their sins.
it;s just a stupid question
we have avoidable deaths atm. the question should be about additional avoidable deaths
I struggle to believe you are allowed to work on pensions
Learn to read.
“ how many avoidable deaths... as a result of No Deal Brexit”.
I struggle to believe that you can’t come up with a better answer than that.
firstly your question asked how many deaths would be tolerable
its a meaningless question the answer whether in or out should be zero, but thats not todays reality and never will be
the issue if - indeed there is one- is does a no deal Brexit increase or decrease the number of avoidable deaths compared to the current status and frankly only time will tell
It's great to see all these Tories outing themselves. I mean, I always suspected they were proto-fascists, but when you align yourself with Farage, the case is closed.
The fascists are going to get a lot of votes at the upcoming election. Just sayin'
I wonder what total percentage the parties led by Corbyn, Farage and Batten will get at the Euro elections...
Using terms like fascist or p. This isn't about fascism or anything like it. Calm down.
The constant politics.
Labeling people as members of Death Cults in the age of ISIS is just fine and dandy though.
No deal Leavers show all the markings of a cult and are completely indifferent to any chaos, death and destruction that it will cause. Hence, death cult.
Your use of it is risible and demeans you. You clearly need to have that pointed out.
No deal Leavers’ constant loyalty tests, shunning of the unclean and messianic belief in the redemptive powers of Brexit no matter what the human cost make it a sober description.
You don’t like it? Tough. Show some interest in the human suffering your deranged policy position could cause.
It's not my policy position. I've always supported May's deal.
You just sound rather deranged using such a stupid epithet.
I’m still awaiting a straight answer from Leavers as to how many avoidable deaths they think would be tolerable as a result of a No Deal Brexit. They seem to think it’s an unfair question, which is only conceivably the case if the answer is not zero.
But the cleansing power of Brexit will no doubt wash away their sins.
it;s just a stupid question
we have avoidable deaths atm. the question should be about additional avoidable deaths
I struggle to believe you are allowed to work on pensions
This thread is really circling the plughole.
It certainly seems to have driven some people round the bend
The fascists are going to get a lot of votes at the upcoming election. Just sayin'
I wonder what total percentage the parties led by Corbyn, Farage and Batten will get at the Euro elections...
Using terms like fascist or p. This isn't about fascism or anything like it. Calm down.
The constant politics.
Labeling people as members of Death Cults in the age of ISIS is just fine and dandy though.
No deal Leavers show all the markings of a cult and are completely indifferent to any chaos, death and destruction that it will cause. Hence, death cult.
Your use of it is risible and demeans you. You clearly need to have that pointed out.
No deal Leavers’ constant loyalty tests, shunning of the unclean and messianic belief in the redemptive powers of Brexit no matter what the human cost make it a sober description.
You don’t like it? Tough. Show some interest in the human suffering your deranged policy position could cause.
It's not my policy position. I've always supported May's deal.
You just sound rather deranged using such a stupid epithet.
I’m still awaiting a straight answer from Leavers as to how many avoidable deaths they think would be tolerable as a result of a No Deal Brexit. They seem to think it’s an unfair question, which is only conceivably the case if the answer is not zero.
But the cleansing power of Brexit will no doubt wash away their sins.
it;s just a stupid question
we have avoidable deaths atm. the question should be about additional avoidable deaths
I struggle to believe you are allowed to work on pensions
Learn to read.
“ how many avoidable deaths... as a result of No Deal Brexit”.
I struggle to believe that you can’t come up with a better answer than that.
It's a question along the lines of "when did you last stop beating your wife." You are not expecting anyone to give an answer to it.
If the answer were zero it would be easy to give. Clearly it isn’t.
In any case, I have yet to find a Leaver advocate who is prepared to identify any basis on which his or her support for Brexit is contingent on developments. It is a religious belief system and if it demands extreme sacrifices, so be it.
I’m still awaiting a straight answer from Leavers as to how many avoidable deaths they think would be tolerable as a result of a No Deal Brexit. They seem to think it’s an unfair question, which is only conceivably the case if the answer is not zero.
But the cleansing power of Brexit will no doubt wash away their sins.
Risible indeed. After such hyperbolic insulting crap, do you seriously still expect people who disagree with you on No Deal Brexit (i.e. whether the UK can get better terms if settling the substance of negotiations after rather than before leaving the EU) to take seriously or even bother to read any future threads you may pen on the subject of Brexit?
Next Governor of the Bank of England: Theresa May. She's a woman, she has relevant experience having worked at the BoE for 6 years and at the APCS for 12 years. She's well known internationally, and she'll be available. Should be a shoo-in.
If the answer were zero it would be easy to give. Clearly it isn’t.
In any case, I have yet to find a Leaver advocate who is prepared to identify any basis on which his or her support for Brexit is contingent on developments. It is a religious belief system and if it demands extreme sacrifices, so be it.
If Brexit reduces avoidable deaths, will you consider it a success?
I’m still awaiting a straight answer from Leavers as to how many avoidable deaths they think would be tolerable as a result of a No Deal Brexit. They seem to think it’s an unfair question, which is only conceivably the case if the answer is not zero.
But the cleansing power of Brexit will no doubt wash away their sins.
Risible indeed. After such hyperbolic insulting crap, do you seriously still expect people who disagree with you on No Deal Brexit (i.e. whether the UK can get better terms if settling the substance of negotiations after rather than before leaving the EU) to take seriously or even bother to read any future threads you may pen on the subject of Brexit?
The fascists are going to get a lot of votes at the upcoming election. Just sayin'
I wonder what total percentage the parties led by Corbyn, Farage and Batten will get at the Euro elections...
Using terms like fascist or p. This isn't about fascism or anything like it. Calm down.
The constant politics.
Labeling people as members of Death Cults in the age of ISIS is just fine and dandy though.
No deal Leavers show all the markings of a cult and are completely indifferent to any chaos, death and destruction that it will cause. Hence, death cult.
Your use of it is risible and demeans you. You clearly need to have that pointed out.
No deal Leavers’ constant loyalty tests, shunning of the unclean and messianic belief in the redemptive powers of Brexit no matter what the human cost make it a sober description.
You don’t like it? Tough. Show some interest in the human suffering your deranged policy position could cause.
It's not my policy position. I've always supported May's deal.
You just sound rather deranged using such a stupid epithet.
I’m still awaiting a straight answer from Leavers a zero.
But the cleansing power of Brexit will no doubt wash away their sins.
it;s just a stupid question
we have avoidable deaths atm. the question should be about additional avoidable deaths
I struggle to believe you are allowed to work on pensions
Learn to read.
“ how many avoidable deaths... as a result of No Deal Brexit”.
I struggle to believe that you can’t come up with a better answer than that.
It's a question along the lines of "when did you last stop beating your wife." You are not expecting anyone to give an answer to it.
If the answer were zero it would be easy to give. Clearly it isn’t.
In any case, I have yet to find a Leaver advocate who is prepared to identify any basis on which his or her support for Brexit is contingent on developments. It is a religious belief system and if it demands extreme sacrifices, so be it.
If the answer were zero it would be easy to give. Clearly it isn’t.
In any case, I have yet to find a Leaver advocate who is prepared to identify any basis on which his or her support for Brexit is contingent on developments. It is a religious belief system and if it demands extreme sacrifices, so be it.
If Brexit reduces avoidable deaths, will you consider it a success?
Spartan if of the day. A policy that is highly disruptive and makes the country relatively poorer, sucking resources out of public services, is most unlikely to reduce avoidable deaths.
The spiritual rewards for Leavers, no doubt, will be compensatory.
One thing I have never grasped is why many arch Brexiteers like RobD are so viscerally opposed to Scottish independence. It really is a contradiction of gigantic proportions.
Brexit is a contradiction of gigantic proportions. Like Scottish Nationalism it is a belief set of the Neanderthal. You don't have to be stupid to believe in it, but it helps.
Latest evidence suggests that Neanderthals were highly intelligent. Stop indulging in prejudiced speciesm
If the answer were zero it would be easy to give. Clearly it isn’t.
In any case, I have yet to find a Leaver advocate who is prepared to identify any basis on which his or her support for Brexit is contingent on developments. It is a religious belief system and if it demands extreme sacrifices, so be it.
If Brexit reduces avoidable deaths, will you consider it a success?
Spartan if of the day. A policy that is highly disruptive and makes the country relatively poorer, sucking resources out of public services, is most unlikely to reduce avoidable deaths.
The spiritual rewards for Leavers, no doubt, will be compensatory.
lol
you avoided the straight answer you were seeking off other
@ Alistair Meeks, if Brexit supporters were to kick off a civil war, or impose a dictatorship by a pro-Brexit leader, or if we suffered an economic slump similar to 1929-31, or suffered similar calamaties, then I would conclude that Brexit was a mistake.
@ Alistair Meeks, if Brexit supporters were to kick off a civil war, or impose a dictatorship by a pro-Brexit leader, or if we suffered an economic slump similar to 1929-31, or suffered similar calamaties, then I would conclude that Brexit was a mistake.
Your dimwitted prejudice about Essex, even in jest, is as narrow-minded as your equally dimwitted prejudice against France.
Have you ever bobbed along the Stour at Dedham Vale, or rambled the northern reaches of Epping Forest on a sultry late-spring day?
Get out more man.
Essex is a wonderful place.
To be fair, Sharon &Tracey International, as it is known in pilot circles, used to be a sleepy disused airport used only by the occasional passing light aircraft. People living nearby can hardly have imagined that some RyanAir wannabe would pitch up and start landing large airliners there.
That RyanAir wannabe being Ryanair? (at least judging by the picture)
Safer to train in a sea plane?
Not if the plan is to return to an airfield adjacent to the M25
That's North Weald, not Southend.
In my case, it was Stapleford. Fact remains, no-one is ever going to take off in a seaplane from either.
Very true. More to the point, land.
I’d like to see someone take off in a seaplane from either! Maybe possible from the grass alongside the runways.
Depends on how the rain has been recently, I suppose. We don't get that much is Essex.
Indeed Essex is Britain's driest county I believe, and also has the most islands of any English county and therefore the longest coastline.
St Osyth, inland from Clacton, is the driest settlement in the UK.
I think Cornwall has a longer coastline, TBH. There was something about it somewhere in a corner of the Press recently. Driest place in England used to be Gt Wakering, just N Of Southend. It was the jumping off place for the Weapons Research place on Foulness Island.
It was a terrible shock for me when I moved from Essex to Lancashire as a young man. Didn't believe it could rain as much.
If the answer were zero it would be easy to give. Clearly it isn’t.
In any case, I have yet to find a Leaver advocate who is prepared to identify any basis on which his or her support for Brexit is contingent on developments. It is a religious belief system and if it demands extreme sacrifices, so be it.
If Brexit reduces avoidable deaths, will you consider it a success?
Spartan if of the day. A policy that is highly disruptive and makes the country relatively poorer, sucking resources out of public services, is most unlikely to reduce avoidable deaths.
The spiritual rewards for Leavers, no doubt, will be compensatory.
Brexit may well solve the obesity crisis, as indolent Brits get conscripted to the Land Army, to gather in the new turnip based diet, thereby saving many avoidable deaths.
It's great to see all these Tories outing themselves. I mean, I always suspected they were proto-fascists, but when you align yourself with Farage, the case is closed.
The fascists are going to get a lot of votes at the upcoming election. Just sayin'
I wonder what total percentage the parties led by Corbyn, Farage and Batten will get at the Euro elections...
Using terms like fascist or p. This isn't about fascism or anything like it. Calm down.
The constant politics.
Labeling people as members of Death Cults in the age of ISIS is just fine and dandy though.
No deal Leavers show all the markings of a cult and are completely indifferent to any chaos, death and destruction that it will cause. Hence, death cult.
Your use of it is risible and demeans you. You clearly need to have that pointed out.
No deal Leavers’ constant loyalty tests, shunning of the unclean and messianic belief in the redemptive powers of Brexit no matter what the human cost make it a sober description.
You don’t like it? Tough. Show some interest in the human suffering your deranged policy position could cause.
It's not my policy position. I've always supported May's deal.
You just sound rather deranged using such a stupid epithet.
I’m still awaiting a straight answer from Leavers as to how many avoidable deaths they think would be tolerable as a result of a No Deal Brexit. They seem to think it’s an unfair question, which is only conceivably the case if the answer is not zero.
But the cleansing power of Brexit will no doubt wash away their sins.
it;s just a stupid question
we have avoidable deaths atm. the question should be about additional avoidable deaths
I struggle to believe you are allowed to work on pensions
This thread is really circling the plughole.
It certainly seems to have driven some people round the bend
The ERG really are clueless . None of the leadership candidates want to deal with Brexit as they’d have to stop carping from the sidelines and face reality .
Yay, he's going to get expelled from the Tory Party.
Along with over half the membership and almost half the councillors?
So be it.
Voting for another party is high treason if you're a Tory MP/councillor/activist.
Normally you're expert in telling people they aren't Tories, so I'd assume you'd be in favour of these expulsions.
HYUFD is a closet Kipper.
No, I even voted Remain but I also know if the Tories do not deliver Brexit there will be little Tory Party left and the Brexit Party will take its place
Next Governor of the Bank of England: Theresa May. She's a woman, she has relevant experience having worked at the BoE for 6 years and at the APCS for 12 years. She's well known internationally, and she'll be available. Should be a shoo-in.
Sterling crisis within six weeks. Can't think there are many people with confidence in her.
The supposed "making us poorer" element of Brexit is entirely based on estimates from people that estimated we would have already had negative growth. If you dress numbers up with the right presentation and have them presented by people with the right qualifications, it doesn't matter how rigorous they are. A certain type of person will always accept them no matter the track record.
No doubt the Brexit Broadcasting Commission which is BBC East will lead on that tonight.
Well it probably offsets the BBC making the Tiggers candidate launch yesterday their headline news story on their website - and barely registering the Brexit party one.
It might surprise you but the BBC really isn't biased in favour of Brexit - about the only place where it gets arguably more positive treatment is at 11.45pm on Thursday nights and that won't last beyond July!
I doubt the BBC east crowd in Norwich and Cambridge venture much to Clacton anyway!
Your dimwitted prejudice about Essex, even in jest, is as narrow-minded as your equally dimwitted prejudice against France.
Have you ever bobbed along the Stour at Dedham Vale, or rambled the northern reaches of Epping Forest on a sultry late-spring day?
Get out more man.
Essex is a wonderful place.
The sad thing about 'Southend" Airport.......its actually not within the confines of the borough.... is that back in the 50's, in the days of very noisy and slow propellor driven planes it was very noisy indeed. I attended a school right under the flight path and some class-rooms were almost unusable at time of heavy traffic. Then it went into decline and was almost all club-flying with some freight. Now it's been brought back to life as a proper commercial airport, but in the meantime houses have been built close to the perimeter.
And yes there are some bad parts of Essex, but as _Anazina says there are some lovely areas. As well as those she mentions, there's most of the coast, once South of Clacton right down to Southend. And there are some really ancient buildings; St Peters at Bradwell was bullt in the 600's, there are some even older in Colchester.
North Essex really belongs in Suffolk. On that point there really isn’t any argument.
I suggest you come round here and say that. You'd be surprised how unpopular you'd be.
Those southern Suffolkers mispronounce the Stour, for one thing
The only patch of Essex where I have done any serious door knocking is in Saffron Walden. I am pretty sure those residents would bite your hand off if you came offering cessation to Suffolk.
Edit/ or Cambridgeshire
I was on the board of a company in SW. they called it south Cambridge
If the answer were zero it would be easy to give. Clearly it isn’t.
In any case, I have yet to find a Leaver advocate who is prepared to identify any basis on which his or her support for Brexit is contingent on developments. It is a religious belief system and if it demands extreme sacrifices, so be it.
If Brexit reduces avoidable deaths, will you consider it a success?
Spartan if of the day. A policy that is highly disruptive and makes the country relatively poorer, sucking resources out of public services, is most unlikely to reduce avoidable deaths.
The spiritual rewards for Leavers, no doubt, will be compensatory.
Brexit may well solve the obesity crisis, as indolent Brits get conscripted to the Land Army, to gather in the new turnip based diet, thereby saving many avoidable deaths.
Next Governor of the Bank of England: Theresa May. She's a woman, she has relevant experience having worked at the BoE for 6 years and at the APCS for 12 years. She's well known internationally, and she'll be available. Should be a shoo-in.
Yay, he's going to get expelled from the Tory Party.
Along with over half the membership and almost half the councillors?
So be it.
Voting for another party is high treason if you're a Tory MP/councillor/activist.
Normally you're expert in telling people they aren't Tories, so I'd assume you'd be in favour of these expulsions.
HYUFD is a closet Kipper.
No, I even voted Remain but I also know if the Tories do not deliver Brexit there will be little Tory Party left and the Brexit Party will take its place
Exactly right.
The only way I could see the Tories being replaced by the Brexit Party is if they suspended half their membership.
The supposed "making us poorer" element of Brexit is entirely based on estimates from people that estimated we would have already had negative growth. If you dress numbers up with the right presentation and have them presented by people with the right qualifications, it doesn't matter how rigorous they are. A certain type of person will always accept them no matter the track record.
Brexit is one of a hundred different factors affecting UK growth going forward.
If Brexit results in us having higher trade barriers with the rest of the world going forward, then it will likely negatively impact on growth. If it results in us having lower trade barriers, it will likely result in us having higher growth. But that will still only be one piece of the puzzle. Other things matter as much or even more: like, the UK's extraordinary dependence on consumer spending as a driver of growth. Or, indeed, the external demand environment, and price of oil and natural gas.
* Right now, as we've failed to replicate many of the EU's existing arrangements a No Deal Brexit would result in us having higher trade barriers in the short term with 60-65% of our partners. Now, that will right itself in time, but I think it's naive to assume that would have no impact at all.
* Right now, as we've failed to replicate many of the EU's existing arrangements a No Deal Brexit would result in us having higher trade barriers in the short term with 60-65% of our partners. Now, that will right itself in time, but I think it's naive to assume that would have no impact at all.
You can't blame Liam Fox for a No Deal Brexit not replicating existing arrangements with the EU.
Yay, he's going to get expelled from the Tory Party.
Along with over half the membership and almost half the councillors?
So be it.
Voting for another party is high treason if you're a Tory MP/councillor/activist.
Normally you're expert in telling people they aren't Tories, so I'd assume you'd be in favour of these expulsions.
HYUFD is a closet Kipper.
No, I even voted Remain but I also know if the Tories do not deliver Brexit there will be little Tory Party left and the Brexit Party will take its place
Exactly right.
The only way I could see the Tories being replaced by the Brexit Party is if they suspended half their membership.
If they were stupid enough to do that May really would end up the UK Kim Campbell
The 'brexit is like a cult' brigade need to take a long lie down in a dark room. It's a GCSE sociology level of analysis which could be made about hundreds of things! Political parties, rock bands, etc. It just serves to make the writer of such a comparison look hysterical.
I’m still awaiting a straight answer from Leavers as to how many avoidable deaths they think would be tolerable as a result of a No Deal Brexit. They seem to think it’s an unfair question, which is only conceivably the case if the answer is not zero.
But the cleansing power of Brexit will no doubt wash away their sins.
Risible indeed. After such hyperbolic insulting crap, do you seriously still expect people who disagree with you on No Deal Brexit (i.e. whether the UK can get better terms if settling the substance of negotiations after rather than before leaving the EU) to take seriously or even bother to read any future threads you may pen on the subject of Brexit?
Clearly in the non-zero column too.
Zero. And zero for any thinkable outcome.
The mistake keeps being made that Leavers (or Remainers) are some sort of nutter or zealot. This cannot be true of either group taken as a whole, as the voting means inevitably (16m v 17m) that the overwhelming majority on either side are quiet political centrists. There aren't enough zealots to go round.
The supposed "making us poorer" element of Brexit is entirely based on estimates from people that estimated we would have already had negative growth. If you dress numbers up with the right presentation and have them presented by people with the right qualifications, it doesn't matter how rigorous they are. A certain type of person will always accept them no matter the track record.
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Excellent at unfocused rage; excellent at lying.
A plague on them all.
Likewise and the other way, ardent Remainers, vegans, proficient players of the bassoon. Almost perfect correlation there.
Not all ardent Remainers are vegans but almost all vegans are ardent Remainers.
Not all ardent Remainers are proficient on the bassoon (very few in fact) but almost all proficient bassoonists are ardent Remainers.
And to complete the picture - not all vegans can play the bassoon but almost all who do play the bassoon (to a good standard) are vegan.
EDIT: That last one could be arrant nonsense, but the point stands.
St Dunstan was once asked to reshoe the Devil’s cloven hoof. He fixed a red hot shoe to it and refused to remove it until the Devil promised never to enter any building with a horseshoe afixed to the wall (the origin of the superstition)
I think you can say St Dunstan nailed it
its a meaningless question the answer whether in or out should be zero, but thats not todays reality and never will be
the issue if - indeed there is one- is does a no deal Brexit increase or decrease the number of avoidable deaths compared to the current status and frankly only time will tell
In any case, I have yet to find a Leaver advocate who is prepared to identify any basis on which his or her support for Brexit is contingent on developments. It is a religious belief system and if it demands extreme sacrifices, so be it.
https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/440375-this-is-the-joe-biden-you-rarely-see
so whilst I've been away, the biggest news appears to be your new avatar...
shakes head...
Oh and a certain semi
Lips are sealed in any case. Reputations at stake.
Spartan if of the day. A policy that is highly disruptive and makes the country relatively poorer, sucking resources out of public services, is most unlikely to reduce avoidable deaths.
The spiritual rewards for Leavers, no doubt, will be compensatory.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/8898321/Neanderthals-were-too-smart-for-their-own-good.html
you avoided the straight answer you were seeking off other
As for my avatar I'm shocked as you but is for one day only.
GGMU.
https://twitter.com/Carra23/status/1121062932022951937
At least I'm not supporting Mark Reckless.
PS - Last week's match was this generation's Liverpool 4 Newcastle 3.
They're almost as bad as Labour were from 2008-2010.
@ Alistair Meeks, if Brexit supporters were to kick off a civil war, or impose a dictatorship by a pro-Brexit leader, or if we suffered an economic slump similar to 1929-31, or suffered similar calamaties, then I would conclude that Brexit was a mistake.
I thought all of that was nailed on anyway
now I feel cheated :-)
Driest place in England used to be Gt Wakering, just N Of Southend. It was the jumping off place for the Weapons Research place on Foulness Island.
It was a terrible shock for me when I moved from Essex to Lancashire as a young man. Didn't believe it could rain as much.
https://twitter.com/bbcessex/status/1121022172150083584?s=21
Mike Smithson nailed them ages ago.
Theresa May lives on. And on. And on. And on.
Except Theon. Obvs.
It might surprise you but the BBC really isn't biased in favour of Brexit - about the only place where it gets arguably more positive treatment is at 11.45pm on Thursday nights and that won't last beyond July!
I doubt the BBC east crowd in Norwich and Cambridge venture much to Clacton anyway!
Will we see a reduction in the continuous reporting of Farage's every move by BBC then?
https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1121088079941505024
The only way I could see the Tories being replaced by the Brexit Party is if they suspended half their membership.
You have vanilla mail.
If Brexit results in us having higher trade barriers with the rest of the world going forward, then it will likely negatively impact on growth. If it results in us having lower trade barriers, it will likely result in us having higher growth. But that will still only be one piece of the puzzle. Other things matter as much or even more: like, the UK's extraordinary dependence on consumer spending as a driver of growth. Or, indeed, the external demand environment, and price of oil and natural gas.
* Right now, as we've failed to replicate many of the EU's existing arrangements a No Deal Brexit would result in us having higher trade barriers in the short term with 60-65% of our partners. Now, that will right itself in time, but I think it's naive to assume that would have no impact at all.
Nothing. Has. Changed.
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The mistake keeps being made that Leavers (or Remainers) are some sort of nutter or zealot. This cannot be true of either group taken as a whole, as the voting means inevitably (16m v 17m) that the overwhelming majority on either side are quiet political centrists. There aren't enough zealots to go round.
Try again, cultist.