Mr Meeks, as I understand it, the incumbent government has the right to remain in office (and de facto appoint the PM), unless it can be demonstrated there is an alternative that commands a majority. It is possible that if an ardent Leaver is elected there will be those Tory MPs who refuse to give that support, but it would be tantamount to resigning the whip.
One thing I have never grasped is why many arch Brexiteers like RobD are so viscerally opposed to Scottish independence. It really is a contradiction of gigantic proportions.
I dare say the epoch has moved on somewhat given that Scotland is being dragged out of the EU against its will.
No doubt the nationalist would argue any minor change in circumstance would be reason enough for another referendum.
Hardly a 'minor' change in circumstances though is it? But, you knew that.
And you know a sparrow sneezing would be reason for a referendum as far as the SNP are concerned. I think theres reason enough for another one, though when it should be is less obvious but not far off seems reasonable to me, but lets not pretend that the same demand would not be there regardless.
Once a governing party has elected a new leader, that person will be invited to become PM.
{snip}
The Palace would want to stay above politics...
If enough members of the governing party make it clear they do not support that person as PM, the path of least resistance for the Palace wouldn't be to invite that person to form a government.
The Palace still has to invite someone and has only three options: - The new governing party leader; - The LotO; - Someone else.
Why? The existing PM would remain until someone else emerges with the confidence of the HoC, or until the HoC decides to call an election or the parliamentary term expires. Impasses can continue for a long time.
Because May would have already resigned, in the expectation that her successor as party leader will be called upon to be appointed PM. That is what happens when you are ousted as party leader.
Cameron didn't formally resign as Prime Minister until there was a replacement PM.
Yes, and that would apply with May too. The new party leader is the replacement PM, unless it's clear that someone else had a better chance of forming a government.
Don't rule out the possibility that the new Tory leader could collude in this, allowing the party to be simultaneously in government and in opposition.
New Tory leader in place BEFORE a general election yet NOT becoming the next PM?
That has HUGE betting implications - Which I do not necessarily like.
How long would the Scottish independence negotiations take.....can't see them going any more smoothly than Brexit.
I honestly think they would be at least an order of magnitude more complex to negotiate. They would make Brexit look about as simple as boiling an egg.
No worries, we have been assured that what the rUK tries to do is irrelevant when the Scots vote for independence, its totally different to the EU being vital to untangling ourselves from the EU. Somehow.
There will only be another vote if the SNP think they can win it. If they can't, it will always be just over the horizon.
Whilst we're enjoying Floyd quotes as being relevant to current times, can I add in this:
"Would you like to see Britannia rule again, my friend? All you need to do is follow the worms Would you like to send our coloured cousins home again? All you need to do is follow the worms"
Which is pretty much the policies being advocated by a local Kipper activist. His solution to local services being under pressure is to prioritise local people - I pointed out that as a Lancastrian I wouldn't be held back whilst Teessiders went ahead of me, such "local" people would be the white working class he mentioned, and those who would be removed would be everybody else.
I know that Farage is a nasty little agitator and that UKIP have attracted some interesting people before. But this new neo-fascist interation - BNPKIP as I've started referring to them - is appalling.
One thing I have never grasped is why many arch Brexiteers like RobD are so viscerally opposed to Scottish independence. It really is a contradiction of gigantic proportions.
Ooo, I'm an arch Brexiteer? I'm fine with Scottish independence - just not fine with reneging on claims like "once in a generation".
Once a governing party has elected a new leader, that person will be invited to become PM.
{snip}
The Palace would want to stay above politics...
If enough members of the governing party make it clear they do not support that person as PM, the path of least resistance for the Palace wouldn't be to invite that person to form a government.
The Palace still has to invite someone and has only three options: - The new governing party leader; - The LotO; - Someone else.
Why? The existing PM would remain until someone else emerges with the confidence of the HoC, or until the HoC decides to call an election or the parliamentary term expires. Impasses can continue for a long time.
Because May would have already resigned, in the expectation that her successor as party leader will be called upon to be appointed PM. That is what happens when you are ousted as party leader.
It will be interesting to see which of the two main UK "fake grievance parties", the SNP or the Brexit Nationalist Party manage to con enough of the electorate to achieve their aims.
Leaving aside the characterisation of either, the SNP are far more likely to achieve their aims.
And the DUP would be very upset, though arent they always, at not being recognised as a main UK fake grievance party.
Note - fake grievance parties can also have legitimate grievances, but like porn vs art I think we can mostly tell the difference.
As a part Irish Roman Catholic, it is tempting to call the DUP "fake grievance", but it is true to say that many of their relatives were terrorised by the IRA, so, no, I don't think anyone from the island of Ireland are fake in their strongly felt grievances. The SNP are a completely different order of magnitude. The Scots helped to shape Britain in a way that has been completely disproportionate to their population size, and were leaders in the growth of British Imperialism and the subjugation of Ireland. They are in no position to moan about anything.
I dare say the epoch has moved on somewhat given that Scotland is being dragged out of the EU against its will.
No doubt the nationalist would argue any minor change in circumstance would be reason enough for another referendum.
Hardly a 'minor' change in circumstances though is it? But, you knew that.
And you know a sparrow sneezing would be reason for a referendum as far as the SNP are concerned. I think theres reason enough for another one, though when it should be is less obvious but not far off seems reasonable to me, but lets not pretend that the same demand would not be there regardless.
Except for the fact that several million sneezes (does Passer domesticus sneeze?) both real and metaphorical have emanated from the Scottish sparrow population since 2014 and Nicola has not called for another referendum until now.
One thing I have never grasped is why many arch Brexiteers like RobD are so viscerally opposed to Scottish independence. It really is a contradiction of gigantic proportions.
As many times as people claim that no it is not, and I cannot understand why people make that claim, it relies on a ridiculously simplistic view that enforces a false choice. Being in support or opposed to one union does not mean someone could not support or oppose a different union.
They are different unions and people have different levels of attachment to them, in both directions. Theres nothing remotely contradictory about it whether one is an SNP supporter who backs the EU or a Brexit Party supporter who supports the UK.
Its perfectly reasonable and simple to boot. I can see how someone would think it strange to take a different stance on the different unions, but I do not understand why anyone could not grasp that view
Mr Meeks, as I understand it, the incumbent government has the right to remain in office (and de facto appoint the PM), unless it can be demonstrated there is an alternative that commands a majority. It is possible that if an ardent Leaver is elected there will be those Tory MPs who refuse to give that support, but it would be tantamount to resigning the whip.
One thing I have never grasped is why many arch Brexiteers like RobD are so viscerally opposed to Scottish independence. It really is a contradiction of gigantic proportions.
Ooo, I'm an arch Brexiteer? I'm fine with Scottish independence - just not fine with reneging on claims like "once in a generation".
But perfectly fine with reneging on claims made by the Leave campaign, clearly.
Once a governing party has elected a new leader, that person will be invited to become PM.
{snip}
The Palace would want to stay above politics...
If enough members of the governing party make it clear they do not support that person as PM, the path of least resistance for the Palace wouldn't be to invite that person to form a government.
The Palace still has to invite someone and has only three options: - The new governing party leader; - The LotO; - Someone else.
Why? The existing PM would remain until someone else emerges with the confidence of the HoC, or until the HoC decides to call an election or the parliamentary term expires. Impasses can continue for a long time.
Because May would have already resigned, in the expectation that her successor as party leader will be called upon to be appointed PM. That is what happens when you are ousted as party leader.
It will be interesting to see which of the two main UK "fake grievance parties", the SNP or the Brexit Nationalist Party manage to con enough of the electorate to achieve their aims.
Leaving aside the characterisation of either, the SNP are far more likely to achieve their aims.
And the DUP would be very upset, though arent they always, at not being recognised as a main UK fake grievance party.
Note - fake grievance parties can also have legitimate grievances, but like porn vs art I think we can mostly tell the difference.
As a part Irish Roman Catholic, it is tempting to call the DUP "fake grievance", but it is true to say that many of their relatives were terrorised by the IRA, so, no, I don't think anyone from the island of Ireland are fake in their strongly felt grievances. The SNP are a completely different order of magnitude. The Scots helped to shape Britain in a way that has been completely disproportionate to their population size, and were leaders in the growth of British Imperialism and the subjugation of Ireland. They are in no position to moan about anything.
None of that is taught in Scottish schools. They are victims or brave resistors against the evil English.
One thing I have never grasped is why many arch Brexiteers like RobD are so viscerally opposed to Scottish independence. It really is a contradiction of gigantic proportions.
Ooo, I'm an arch Brexiteer? I'm fine with Scottish independence - just not fine with reneging on claims like "once in a generation".
But perfectly fine with reneging on claims made by the Leave campaign, clearly.
Given that leaving doesn't seem to actually be happening, how can any claims be reneged on?
Once a governing party has elected a new leader, that person will be invited to become PM.
{snip}
The Palace would want to stay above politics...
If enough members of the governing party make it clear they do not support that person as PM, the path of least resistance for the Palace wouldn't be to invite that person to form a government.
The Palace still has to invite someone and has only three options: - The new governing party leader; - The LotO; - Someone else.
Why? The existing PM would remain until someone else emerges with the confidence of the HoC, or until the HoC decides to call an election or the parliamentary term expires. Impasses can continue for a long time.
Because May would have already resigned, in the expectation that her successor as party leader will be called upon to be appointed PM. That is what happens when you are ousted as party leader.
Cameron didn't formally resign as Prime Minister until there was a replacement PM.
Yes, and that would apply with May too. The new party leader is the replacement PM, unless it's clear that someone else had a better chance of forming a government.
Or unless it’s unclear that anyone can form a government, in which case May stays.
Mr Meeks, as I understand it, the incumbent government has the right to remain in office (and de facto appoint the PM), unless it can be demonstrated there is an alternative that commands a majority. It is possible that if an ardent Leaver is elected there will be those Tory MPs who refuse to give that support, but it would be tantamount to resigning the whip.
Of course they’re going to resign the whip.
If it is Boris it must be huge odds on that a number resign the whip. Other no dealers would stand a slightly better chance of retaining them as with Boris it is both personality issues as well as policy issues that a significant number of Tory MPs could not live with.
If it was Gove, Javid or Hunt campaigning on the basis of renegotiate first, then no deal if nothing improved was offered, the resignations may well not happen, and would be more likely to happen at the no deal stage rather than becoming PM stage.
I dare say the epoch has moved on somewhat given that Scotland is being dragged out of the EU against its will.
No doubt the nationalist would argue any minor change in circumstance would be reason enough for another referendum.
Hardly a 'minor' change in circumstances though is it? But, you knew that.
And you know a sparrow sneezing would be reason for a referendum as far as the SNP are concerned. I think theres reason enough for another one, though when it should be is less obvious but not far off seems reasonable to me, but lets not pretend that the same demand would not be there regardless.
Except for the fact that several million sneezes (does Passer domesticus sneeze?) both real and metaphorical have emanated from the Scottish sparrow population since 2014 and Nicola has not called for another referendum until now.
So your post really is for the birds.
You think the SNP would not have called for a referendum at some point no matter what happened with Brexit? No? Of course they would, it's their purpose. Brexit has provided a justified reason for the timing is all. You are ignoring the distinction between the reason for calling for one which to them applies all the time and the reason it has been called specifically now.
So no it is not for the birds at all. Given you cannot grasp the very simple position that people can take different views on different unions I think your logic can be safely dismissed on this subject, as even children can grasp that two things can be similar without being identical.
One thing I have never grasped is why many arch Brexiteers like RobD are so viscerally opposed to Scottish independence. It really is a contradiction of gigantic proportions.
Brexit is a contradiction of gigantic proportions. Like Scottish Nationalism it is a belief set of the Neanderthal. You don't have to be stupid to believe in it, but it helps.
Mr. Foremain, if someone wishes the UK to govern itself without power continually seeping to the EU, where is the contradiction in wanting to leave the EU?
One thing I have never grasped is why many arch Brexiteers like RobD are so viscerally opposed to Scottish independence. It really is a contradiction of gigantic proportions.
Ooo, I'm an arch Brexiteer? I'm fine with Scottish independence - just not fine with reneging on claims like "once in a generation".
Anazina apparently cannot understand that not all unions are the same, so the difference between an arch brexiteer or regular Brexit supporter might be a reach.
Once a governing party has elected a new leader, that person will be invited to become PM.
{snip}
The Palace would want to stay above politics...
If enough members of the governing party make it clear they do not support that person as PM, the path of least resistance for the Palace wouldn't be to invite that person to form a government.
The Palace still has to invite someone and has only three options: - The new governing party leader; - The LotO; - Someone else.
Why? The existing PM would remain until someone else emerges with the confidence of the HoC, or until the HoC decides to call an election or the parliamentary term expires. Impasses can continue for a long time.
Because May would have already resigned, in the expectation that her successor as party leader will be called upon to be appointed PM. That is what happens when you are ousted as party leader.
It will be interesting to see which of the two main UK "fake grievance parties", the SNP or the Brexit Nationalist Party manage to con enough of the electorate to achieve their aims.
Leaving aside the characterisation of either, the SNP are far more likely to achieve their aims.
And the DUP would be very upset, though arent they always, at not being recognised as a main UK fake grievance party.
Note - fake grievance parties can also have legitimate grievances, but like porn vs art I think we can mostly tell the difference.
As a part Irish Roman Catholic, it is tempting to call the DUP "fake grievance", but it is true to say that many of their relatives were terrorised by the IRA, so, no, I don't think anyone from the island of Ireland are fake in their strongly felt grievances. The SNP are a completely different order of magnitude. The Scots helped to shape Britain in a way that has been completely disproportionate to their population size, and were leaders in the growth of British Imperialism and the subjugation of Ireland. They are in no position to moan about anything.
None of that is taught in Scottish schools. They are victims or brave resistors against the evil English.
It sometimes seems that there is a conspiracy or cock-up (or both) that is designed to keep a large part of the population stupid. Oh, back on the subject of Brexit again!
Whilst we're enjoying Floyd quotes as being relevant to current times, can I add in this:
"Would you like to see Britannia rule again, my friend? All you need to do is follow the worms Would you like to send our coloured cousins home again? All you need to do is follow the worms"
Which is pretty much the policies being advocated by a local Kipper activist. His solution to local services being under pressure is to prioritise local people - I pointed out that as a Lancastrian I wouldn't be held back whilst Teessiders went ahead of me, such "local" people would be the white working class he mentioned, and those who would be removed would be everybody else.
I know that Farage is a nasty little agitator and that UKIP have attracted some interesting people before. But this new neo-fascist interation - BNPKIP as I've started referring to them - is appalling.
Do you think Labour will keep overall control of Stockton?
Once a governing party has elected a new leader, that person will be invited to become PM.
{snip}
The Palace would want to stay above politics...
If enough members of the governing party make it clear they do not support that person as PM, the path of least resistance for the Palace wouldn't be to invite that person to form a government.
The Palace still has to invite someone and has only three options: - The new governing party leader; - The LotO; - Someone else.
Why? The existing PM would remain until someone else emerges with the confidence of the HoC, or until the HoC decides to call an election or the parliamentary term expires. Impasses can continue for a long time.
Because May would have already resigned, in the expectation that her successor as party leader will be called upon to be appointed PM. That is what happens when you are ousted as party leader.
It will be interesting to see which of the two main UK "fake grievance parties", the SNP or the Brexit Nationalist Party manage to con enough of the electorate to achieve their aims.
Leaving aside the characterisation of either, the SNP are far more likely to achieve their aims.
And the DUP would be very upset, though arent they always, at not being recognised as a main UK fake grievance party.
Note - fake grievance parties can also have legitimate grievances, but like porn vs art I think we can mostly tell the difference.
As a part Irish Roman Catholic, it.
None of that is taught in Scottish schools. They are victims or brave resistors against the evil English.
Well, the Scots were much like the English in experience of Empire. Part buccanneer and willing footsoldier, and part victim. The English working class deprived of their lands in the Elizabethan sheep boom, or the enclosures, or the victims of Peterloo or Tolpuddle have a little more in common with the Highland victims of the clearances etc. Both English and Scottish imperialists were as tough on their own kin as they were on foreign peoples.
One thing I have never grasped is why many arch Brexiteers like RobD are so viscerally opposed to Scottish independence. It really is a contradiction of gigantic proportions.
Ooo, I'm an arch Brexiteer? I'm fine with Scottish independence - just not fine with reneging on claims like "once in a generation".
Anazina apparently cannot understand that not all unions are the same, so the difference between an arch brexiteer or regular Brexit supporter might be a reach.
The problem comes when people use diametrically opposing arguments to express contrary opinions on them.
PB is reading like a poor mans Jeffrey Archer novel. One of three things will happen
1) May will stay as PM until a new Conservative leader is appointed. 2) May will stay as PM until a general election leads to a Labour led minority / majority and Corbyn becomes PM. 3) May resigns as PM, the cabinet appoints a temporary successor, who will remain in post until (1) or (2)
Once a governing party has elected a new leader, that person will be invited to become PM.
{snip}
The Palace would want to stay above politics...
If enough members of the governing party make it clear they do not support that person as PM, the path of least resistance for the Palace wouldn't be to invite that person to form a government.
The Palace still has to invite someone and has only three options: - The new governing party leader; - The LotO; - Someone else.
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Because May would have already resigned, in the expectation that her successor as party leader will be called upon to be appointed PM. That is what happens when you are ousted as party leader.
But could she not carry on in a caretaker capacity until a General Election occurs which hopefully changes the parliamentary arithmetic and breaks the deadlock?
Why would she do that?
We're getting far too distracted by the detail of procedure here. The idea that a PM, with virtually no political authority, could continue to squat in No 10, after a successor as party leader had been elected is for the birds. The public outcry would be immense and she probably wouldn't even be able to maintain a government herself. Indeed, she'd probably be at risk of being expelled from her party.
If the new leader couldn't gain the confidence of the House, that would be his or her problem. There is no constitutional requirement for a PM to have to demonstrate that they *already* have the House's confidence when they are appointed. Cameron didn't in 2010, nor Wilson in March 1974.
Neither did Ramsay Macdonald in 1929 and 1924, but - excepting Wilson in March 1974 - there had been public declarations from Asquith, Lloyd George and Clegg that they would not seek to oppose the Governments being formed. Wilson had no such assurance and would likely have sought a further immediate Dissolution had he been defeated on the Queen's Speech. On none of those occasions was it clear that the incoming PM would be denied a majority. If,however, Johnson or Raab led a Tory party of 300 - 305 MPs in circumstances where a majority of MPs had declared in public an intention to bring him down, would the Palace consider it appropriate to entrust him with the Queen's Commission? I believe there have been occasions when the person called to the Palace has promised to 'try' to put together an administration that would receive the confidence of the Commons. I vaguely recall that Douglas-Home initially gave that response in October 1963.
Mr. Foremain, if someone wishes the UK to govern itself without power continually seeping to the EU, where is the contradiction in wanting to leave the EU?
"power" is constantly seeping in all directions, but not that much to the EU (only 12% of our laws, and most of that is to do with trade which will still govern our trade with them anyway). I am more concerned with power seeping to states that have no respect for the rules of law and property, notably China, and then, to a lesser extent, Trump's increasingly arrogant USA. But, hey, wouldn't it be great to have a subservient trade deal with either of these countries - not!
Is the LD leadership election happening before euro elections take place? If a new, perhaps more charismatic, leader is in place then it could be just the boost they need. In any case I think the elections are going to be (on the remain side) a LD Green split with Change really not doing much of anything. My vote is leaning towards LD, seems there is more chance of them bouncing back than Chukas project getting off the ground now.
If it is Boris it must be huge odds on that a number resign the whip. Other no dealers would stand a slightly better chance of retaining them as with Boris it is both personality issues as well as policy issues that a significant number of Tory MPs could not live with.
If it was Gove, Javid or Hunt campaigning on the basis of renegotiate first, then no deal if nothing improved was offered, the resignations may well not happen, and would be more likely to happen at the no deal stage rather than becoming PM stage.
I think the platform on which the new Tory leader will be elected, and on which they will fight a General Election, should one prove necessary to progress Brexit, which IMO it almost certainly will be, will be the Brady amendment position. Seek to change the Withdrawal Agreement to either eliminate or time-limit the Backstop, and should this prove not to be possible, to leave without it.
She sounds like something out of Viz meets the Daily Mash.
KUWAITI ACADEMIC CLAIMS GAY MEN HAVE AN 'ANAL WORM' THAT 'FEEDS ON SEMEN' Mariam Al-Sohel argued the anal worm makes gay men attracted to other men
An academic in Kuwait has claimed she has a ‘cure’ for homosexuality saying gay men have an ‘anal worm’ that ‘feeds on semen’.
Mariam Al-Sohel claimed on Scope TV that she believes there are four genders – male, female, feminine gay men and butch lesbians – and she explained how she has found a cure for being gay based on Islamic prophecy.
She said: “I discovered therapeutic suppositories that curb the sexual urges of boys of the third gender.
“As well as the fourth gender, which is butch lesbians. This is all science, so there’s nothing to be ashamed of.
In what subject is her PhD and where did she she get it?
Piss poor due diligence is the cause of this. I am not surprised.
Due diligence on employees is usually one of banks' - and I expect other employers as well - weakest spots. The stories I could tell!
People simply don't take this stuff seriously enough. And given the very tight timetable which CUK gave themselves I'm not surprised they are finding all sorts of stuff now which ought to have been picked up sooner.
umm, I think TSE posted this as a general interest story. The suggestion that she is standing in the euro elections is a frivolous one.
I was responding to the points raised about some potential CUK MEPs not having been vetted well enough.
The role of Guv of the Bank of England has gone out to headhunters.
Word is they would like a woman.
CV up to date?
Yes. I studied economics too.
The salary would be nice as well.
But NFW would I ever get such a high profile job.
Funnily enough I see Mr Carney regularly at our local church where we both worship.
Shriti Vadera is, apparently, in the running. Or Shrieky as she is known by those who have worked with her. There are some unfortunate emails from her re Network Rail which may not help.
Is the LD leadership election happening before euro elections take place? If a new, perhaps more charismatic, leader is in place then it could be just the boost they need. In any case I think the elections are going to be (on the remain side) a LD Green split with Change really not doing much of anything. My vote is leaning towards LD, seems there is more chance of them bouncing back than Chukas project getting off the ground now.
No, Vince was going to stand down in May after the locals, allowing the summer for the contest. I would expect he’ll stay now until after the Euros.
She sounds like something out of Viz meets the Daily Mash.
KUWAITI ACADEMIC CLAIMS GAY MEN HAVE AN 'ANAL WORM' THAT 'FEEDS ON SEMEN' Mariam Al-Sohel argued the anal worm makes gay men attracted to other men
An academic in Kuwait has claimed she has a ‘cure’ for homosexuality saying gay men have an ‘anal worm’ that ‘feeds on semen’.
Mariam Al-Sohel claimed on Scope TV that she believes there are four genders – male, female, feminine gay men and butch lesbians – and she explained how she has found a cure for being gay based on Islamic prophecy.
She said: “I discovered therapeutic suppositories that curb the sexual urges of boys of the third gender.
“As well as the fourth gender, which is butch lesbians. This is all science, so there’s nothing to be ashamed of.
In what subject is her PhD and where did she she get it?
Piss poor due diligence is the cause of this. I am not surprised.
Due diligence on employees is usually one of banks' - and I expect other employers as well - weakest spots. The stories I could tell!
People simply don't take this stuff seriously enough. And given the very tight timetable which CUK gave themselves I'm not surprised they are finding all sorts of stuff now which ought to have been picked up sooner.
umm, I think TSE posted this as a general interest story. The suggestion that she is standing in the euro elections is a frivolous one.
I was responding to the points raised about some potential CUK MEPs not having been vetted well enough.
The role of Guv of the Bank of England has gone out to headhunters.
Word is they would like a woman.
CV up to date?
Yes. I studied economics too.
The salary would be nice as well.
But NFW would I ever get such a high profile job.
Funnily enough I see Mr Carney regularly at our local church where we both worship.
Shriti Vadera is, apparently, in the running. Or Shrieky as she is known by those who have worked with her. There are some unfortunate emails from her re Network Rail which may not help.
Could the chair of the BOE really be a Labour peer?
Once a governing party has elected a new leader, that person will be invited to become PM.
{snip}
The Palace would want to stay above politics...
If enough members of the governing party make it clear they do not support that person as PM, the path of least resistance for the Palace wouldn't be to invite that person to form a government.
The Palace still has to invite someone and has only three options: - The new governing party leader; - The LotO; - Someone else.
Why? The existing PM would remain until someone else emerges with the confidence of the HoC, or until the HoC decides to call an election or the parliamentary term expires. Impasses can continue for a long time.
Because May would have already resigned, in the expectation that her successor as party leader will be called upon to be appointed PM. That is what happens when you are ousted as party leader.
It will be interesting to see which of the two main UK "fake grievance parties", the SNP or the Brexit Nationalist Party manage to con enough of the electorate to achieve their aims.
Leaving aside the characterisation of either, the SNP are far more likely to achieve their aims.
And the DUP would be very upset, though arent they always, at not being recognised as a main UK fake grievance party.
Note - fake grievance parties can also have legitimate grievances, but like porn vs art I think we can mostly tell the difference.
As a part Irish Roman Catholic, it.
None of that is taught in Scottish schools. They are victims or brave resistors against the evil English.
Well, the Scots were much like the English in experience of Empire. Part buccanneer and willing footsoldier, and part victim. The English working class deprived of their lands in the Elizabethan sheep boom, or the enclosures, or the victims of Peterloo or Tolpuddle have a little more in common with the Highland victims of the clearances etc. Both English and Scottish imperialists were as tough on their own kin as they were on foreign peoples.
Agreed. That summary should be taught in schools but isn't.
BTW. Update on my brother. Stent moved into the stomach but they're leaving it there. Case conference should have happened last week but necessary staff took holiday and are just back in now. The gastrostomy expected for today has been cancelled - the wrong procedure had been booked anyway. It's a mess.
If Scotland was in the EU, and RUK wasn't it would be impossible to see how there wouldn't be a hard border between England and Scotland.
Exactly the same situation as NI would apply.
Quite a thought, and not a nice one.
But perhaps Owen Patterson and his new border technology could save the day. What a turn up for the book that would be. He'd be a hero north of the (non) border. He'd get the freedom of Glasgow and maybe even the ultimate - his own tartan.
Mr. Scotland, that sounds a bit like a lucky escape, having the wrong procedure cancelled. Hope your brother's ok.
Thanks. He's getting weaker and in pain even with morphine. The cancer is now in his liver and pressing on his aorta. The fact that everything has slowed down is torture.
She sounds like something out of Viz meets the Daily Mash.
KUWAITI ACADEMIC CLAIMS GAY MEN HAVE AN 'ANAL WORM' THAT 'FEEDS ON SEMEN' Mariam Al-Sohel argued the anal worm makes gay men attracted to other men
An academic in Kuwait has claimed she has a ‘cure’ for homosexuality saying gay men have an ‘anal worm’ that ‘feeds on semen’.
Mariam Al-Sohel claimed on Scope TV that she believes there are four genders – male, female, feminine gay men and butch lesbians – and she explained how she has found a cure for being gay based on Islamic prophecy.
She said: “I discovered therapeutic suppositories that curb the sexual urges of boys of the third gender.
“As well as the fourth gender, which is butch lesbians. This is all science, so there’s nothing to be ashamed of.
In what subject is her PhD and where did she she get it?
Piss poor due diligence is the cause of this. I am not surprised.
Due diligence on employees is usually one of banks' - and I expect other employers as well - weakest spots. The stories I could tell!
People simply don't take this stuff seriously enough. And given the very tight timetable which CUK gave themselves I'm not surprised they are finding all sorts of stuff now which ought to have been picked up sooner.
umm, I think TSE posted this as a general interest story. The suggestion that she is standing in the euro elections is a frivolous one.
I was responding to the points raised about some potential CUK MEPs not having been vetted well enough.
The role of Guv of the Bank of England has gone out to headhunters.
Word is they would like a woman.
CV up to date?
Yes. I studied economics too.
The salary would be nice as well.
But NFW would I ever get such a high profile job.
Funnily enough I see Mr Carney regularly at our local church where we both worship.
Shriti Vadera is, apparently, in the running. Or Shrieky as she is known by those who have worked with her. There are some unfortunate emails from her re Network Rail which may not help.
Could the chair of the BOE really be a Labour peer?
Good point. I suspect not. At least until McDonnell becomes Chancellor.
It's great to see all these Tories outing themselves. I mean, I always suspected they were proto-fascists, but when you align yourself with Farage, the case is closed.
What is good is that he's still got his sense of humour. On asking him if I can do anything to help, he said "Yes - vote Remain in Brexit2 and IndyRef2"
"The Conservative Friends of Pakistan have given in excess of £500,000 to the central party, mostly through the Beaconsfield Constituency, making them Grieve's largest backer." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominic_Grieve
in conjunction with this
"The attorney general, Dominic Grieve, has been accused of offensive and ill-advised comments after warning of corruption in the British Pakistani community.
It's great to see all these Tories outing themselves. I mean, I always suspected they were proto-fascists, but when you align yourself with Farage, the case is closed.
The fascists are going to get a lot of votes at the upcoming election. Just sayin'
It's great to see all these Tories outing themselves. I mean, I always suspected they were proto-fascists, but when you align yourself with Farage, the case is closed.
The fascists are going to get a lot of votes at the upcoming election. Just sayin'
Yes, the scale of the Labour vote could be troubling...
It's great to see all these Tories outing themselves. I mean, I always suspected they were proto-fascists, but when you align yourself with Farage, the case is closed.
The fascists are going to get a lot of votes at the upcoming election. Just sayin'
Yes, the scale of the Labour vote could be troubling...
Neither did Ramsay Macdonald in 1929 and 1924, but - excepting Wilson in March 1974 - there had been public declarations from Asquith, Lloyd George and Clegg that they would not seek to oppose the Governments being formed. Wilson had no such assurance and would likely have sought a further immediate Dissolution had he been defeated on the Queen's Speech. On none of those occasions was it clear that the incoming PM would be denied a majority. If,however, Johnson or Raab led a Tory party of 300 - 305 MPs in circumstances where a majority of MPs had declared in public an intention to bring him down, would the Palace consider it appropriate to entrust him with the Queen's Commission? I believe there have been occasions when the person called to the Palace has promised to 'try' to put together an administration that would receive the confidence of the Commons. I vaguely recall that Douglas-Home initially gave that response in October 1963.
What it comes back to is that *someone* has to be given the commission. If May resigned, as she should, having been ousted as party leader and having no alternative support, then the Queen would have to appoint someone. Certainly, if 320+ MPs had declared their support for Corbyn as PM, then he should be invited. However if that weren't the case - if there was merely a majority against (say) Boris - then the better option IMO would be to invite Boris on the basis that: 1. The Palace shouldn't switch the party formation of government unless it's clear that there's a viable government elsewhere; 2. It is better for the Commons to have to demonstrate a lack of confidence in a potential continuity government than to act on the assumption of it; and 3. That forcing a confidence vote in a Boris government would trigger the FTPA provisions, whereas dismissing the Tories by alternative appointment would not.
It's great to see all these Tories outing themselves. I mean, I always suspected they were proto-fascists, but when you align yourself with Farage, the case is closed.
The fascists are going to get a lot of votes at the upcoming election. Just sayin'
I wonder what total percentage the parties led by Corbyn, Farage and Batten will get at the Euro elections...
It's great to see all these Tories outing themselves. I mean, I always suspected they were proto-fascists, but when you align yourself with Farage, the case is closed.
The fascists are going to get a lot of votes at the upcoming election. Just sayin'
I wonder what total percentage the parties led by Corbyn, Farage and Batten will get at the Euro elections...
Using terms like fascist or proto-fascist for politicians who run robust democratic campaigns and appeal to millions of centrist voters - the sort who often vote Tory or Labour - is a bad use of language and does not advance an argument. People keep forgetting that our political debate is in divisive turmoil because the centrist population has been split (16m - 17m approx.) on a binary issue. This isn't about fascism or anything like it. Calm down.
It's great to see all these Tories outing themselves. I mean, I always suspected they were proto-fascists, but when you align yourself with Farage, the case is closed.
The fascists are going to get a lot of votes at the upcoming election. Just sayin'
I wonder what total percentage the parties led by Corbyn, Farage and Batten will get at the Euro elections...
Using terms like fascist or proto-fascist for politicians who run robust democratic campaigns and appeal to millions of centrist voters - the sort who often vote Tory or Labour - is a bad use of language and does not advance an argument. People keep forgetting that our political debate is in divisive turmoil because the centrist population has been split (16m - 17m approx.) on a binary issue. This isn't about fascism or anything like it. Calm down.
The constant appeals to the will of the people (mysteriously capable of interpretation by the Leader), the labelling of others as traitors, quislings, enemies of the people and saboteurs because they hold different views and the use of martial language (picking up their rifle, World War Two references) may or many not be proto-fascist but they are certainly a degrading of Britain’s politics.
Neither did Ramsay Macdonald in 1929 and 1924, but - excepting Wilson in March 1974 - there had been public declarations from Asquith, Lloyd George and Clegg that they would not seek to oppose the Governments being formed. Wilson had no such assurance and would likely have sought a further immediate Dissolution had he been defeated on the Queen's Speech. On none of those occasions was it clear that the incoming PM would be denied a majority. If,however, Johnson or Raab led a Tory party of 300 - 305 MPs in circumstances where a majority of MPs had declared in public an intention to bring him down, would the Palace consider it appropriate to entrust him with the Queen's Commission? I believe there have been occasions when the person called to the Palace has promised to 'try' to put together an administration that would receive the confidence of the Commons. I vaguely recall that Douglas-Home initially gave that response in October 1963.
What it comes back to is that *someone* has to be given the commission. If May resigned, as she should, having been ousted as party leader and having no alternative support, then the Queen would have to appoint someone. Certainly, if 320+ MPs had declared their support for Corbyn as PM, then he should be invited. However if that weren't the case - if there was merely a majority against (say) Boris - then the better option IMO would be to invite Boris on the basis that: 1. The Palace shouldn't switch the party formation of government unless it's clear that there's a viable government elsewhere; 2. It is better for the Commons to have to demonstrate a lack of confidence in a potential continuity government than to act on the assumption of it; and 3. That forcing a confidence vote in a Boris government would trigger the FTPA provisions, whereas dismissing the Tories by alternative appointment would not.
I think what you are missing is that the PM doesn't resign. She can offer her resignation to Her Maj, but she stays as PM until an alternative PM is appointed, and that only happens when there's someone who appears likely to command the confidence of the House. If no-one does so, then May stays as PM, an election is called after the 14-day period specified in the Fixed Term Parliament Act, and a new PM is (hopefully) appointed when the election results are known.
Your dimwitted prejudice about Essex, even in jest, is as narrow-minded as your equally dimwitted prejudice against France.
Have you ever bobbed along the Stour at Dedham Vale, or rambled the northern reaches of Epping Forest on a sultry late-spring day?
Get out more man.
Essex is a wonderful place.
To be fair, Sharon &Tracey International, as it is known in pilot circles, used to be a sleepy disused airport used only by the occasional passing light aircraft. People living nearby can hardly have imagined that some RyanAir wannabe would pitch up and start landing large airliners there.
Your dimwitted prejudice about Essex, even in jest, is as narrow-minded as your equally dimwitted prejudice against France.
Have you ever bobbed along the Stour at Dedham Vale, or rambled the northern reaches of Epping Forest on a sultry late-spring day?
Get out more man.
Essex is a wonderful place.
To be fair, Sharon &Tracey International, as it is known in pilot circles, used to be a sleepy disused airport used only by the occasional passing light aircraft. People living nearby can hardly have imagined that some RyanAir wannabe would pitch up and start landing large airliners there.
That RyanAir wannabe being Ryanair? (at least judging by the picture)
It's great to see all these Tories outing themselves. I mean, I always suspected they were proto-fascists, but when you align yourself with Farage, the case is closed.
The fascists are going to get a lot of votes at the upcoming election. Just sayin'
I wonder what total percentage the parties led by Corbyn, Farage and Batten will get at the Euro elections...
Using terms like fascist or proto-fascist for politicians who run robust democratic campaigns and appeal to millions of centrist voters - the sort who often vote Tory or Labour - is a bad use of language and does not advance an argument. People keep forgetting that our political debate is in divisive turmoil because the centrist population has been split (16m - 17m approx.) on a binary issue. This isn't about fascism or anything like it. Calm down.
The constant appeals to the will of the people (mysteriously capable of interpretation by the Leader), the labelling of others as traitors, quislings, enemies of the people and saboteurs because they hold different views and the use of martial language (picking up their rifle, World War Two references) may or many not be proto-fascist but they are certainly a degrading of Britain’s politics.
Labeling people as members of Death Cults in the age of ISIS is just fine and dandy though.
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That has HUGE betting implications - Which I do not necessarily like.
"Would you like to see Britannia rule again, my friend?
All you need to do is follow the worms
Would you like to send our coloured cousins home again?
All you need to do is follow the worms"
Which is pretty much the policies being advocated by a local Kipper activist. His solution to local services being under pressure is to prioritise local people - I pointed out that as a Lancastrian I wouldn't be held back whilst Teessiders went ahead of me, such "local" people would be the white working class he mentioned, and those who would be removed would be everybody else.
I know that Farage is a nasty little agitator and that UKIP have attracted some interesting people before. But this new neo-fascist interation - BNPKIP as I've started referring to them - is appalling.
So your post really is for the birds.
They are different unions and people have different levels of attachment to them, in both directions. Theres nothing remotely contradictory about it whether one is an SNP supporter who backs the EU or a Brexit Party supporter who supports the UK.
Its perfectly reasonable and simple to boot. I can see how someone would think it strange to take a different stance on the different unions, but I do not understand why anyone could not grasp that view
If it was Gove, Javid or Hunt campaigning on the basis of renegotiate first, then no deal if nothing improved was offered, the resignations may well not happen, and would be more likely to happen at the no deal stage rather than becoming PM stage.
So no it is not for the birds at all. Given you cannot grasp the very simple position that people can take different views on different unions I think your logic can be safely dismissed on this subject, as even children can grasp that two things can be similar without being identical.
1) May will stay as PM until a new Conservative leader is appointed.
2) May will stay as PM until a general election leads to a Labour led minority / majority and Corbyn becomes PM.
3) May resigns as PM, the cabinet appoints a temporary successor, who will remain in post until (1) or (2)
Other outcomes are like asteroids.
https://twitter.com/Independent/status/1121050794684551168
This new layout is utter pants and chrome doesn't even tell you there's a new tweet in the tab anymore.
Exactly the same situation as NI would apply.
The salary would be nice as well.
But NFW would I ever get such a high profile job.
Funnily enough I see Mr Carney regularly at our local church where we both worship.
Shriti Vadera is, apparently, in the running. Or Shrieky as she is known by those who have worked with her. There are some unfortunate emails from her re Network Rail which may not help.
The name they should have chosen is MoreoftheSame UK
BOB SEELY AND JOHN HEMMINGS"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/04/24/no-way-can-trust-tech-arm-chinese-state-run-communications/
BTW. Update on my brother. Stent moved into the stomach but they're leaving it there. Case conference should have happened last week but necessary staff took holiday and are just back in now. The gastrostomy expected for today has been cancelled - the wrong procedure had been booked anyway. It's a mess.
But perhaps Owen Patterson and his new border technology could save the day. What a turn up for the book that would be. He'd be a hero north of the (non) border. He'd get the freedom of Glasgow and maybe even the ultimate - his own tartan.
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1121016340867891200
https://twitter.com/YesScot/status/1121052885742231553
"The Conservative Friends of Pakistan have given in excess of £500,000 to the central party, mostly through the Beaconsfield Constituency, making them Grieve's largest backer." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominic_Grieve
in conjunction with this
"The attorney general, Dominic Grieve, has been accused of offensive and ill-advised comments after warning of corruption in the British Pakistani community.
The government's senior legal adviser claimed some immigrants came from communities where corruption was endemic and added that he was referring mainly to the Pakistani community."
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/nov/23/dominic-grieve-british-pakistanis-offensive-corruption
Have you ever bobbed along the Stour at Dedham Vale, or rambled the northern reaches of Epping Forest on a sultry late-spring day?
Get out more man.
Essex is a wonderful place.
1. The Palace shouldn't switch the party formation of government unless it's clear that there's a viable government elsewhere;
2. It is better for the Commons to have to demonstrate a lack of confidence in a potential continuity government than to act on the assumption of it; and
3. That forcing a confidence vote in a Boris government would trigger the FTPA provisions, whereas dismissing the Tories by alternative appointment would not.
"May set to hand Huawei 5G network deal
PM prepared to ignore advice of cabinet and US experts"
https://www.thetimes.co.uk
They are Stalinists. They only align themselves with the fascists to buy time before ushering in the glorious gulagged-up future.