I really hope Donald Tusk remains President of the EU Council after November .
He’s fast turning into my favourite EU politician . A wonderful man who passionately believes in the EU and who still hopes against hope that the UK might change its mind .
He is the sort of sane leader that we need. Not autocratic or bombastic and willing to find a way through the maze. The EU27 are fortunate indeed.
If only the President of the Commission wasn't somebody who makes May look like a heavyweight.
On that subject, do we have a list of Spitzenkandidaten yet? Or will that only be confirmed when the stitch up, er, appointment is made?
If the UK contests the EU Parliament elections it may not be from the EPP as the Tories are in the ECR, Labour in the Party of European Socialists, UKIP in the EFD and CUK presumably will join ALDE
Mr. Isam, reminds me of Yes, Prime Minister, with the broadcast. If there's no change, high energy yellow wallpaper. If there's change, traditional oak panelling.
Do you know I have never seen an episode of that programme, nor The Thick Of It?
I really hope Donald Tusk remains President of the EU Council after November .
He’s fast turning into my favourite EU politician . A wonderful man who passionately believes in the EU and who still hopes against hope that the UK might change its mind .
He is the sort of sane leader that we need. Not autocratic or bombastic and willing to find a way through the maze. The EU27 are fortunate indeed.
Was there another vote on changing exit day in UK legislation, or is that still set at June 30th following the vote on Tuesday?
There’s no vote . The negative procedure for the statutory instrument is in operation . Effectively there’s 40 days for a thing called a prayer to happen . But even then it might not get debated and voted on . The last extension had an affirmative procedure and that’s why you needed a vote in both houses .
Mr. Isam, reminds me of Yes, Prime Minister, with the broadcast. If there's no change, high energy yellow wallpaper. If there's change, traditional oak panelling.
Do you know I have never seen an episode of that programme, nor The Thick Of It?
Sir Humphrey: Minister, Britain has had the same foreign policy objective for at least the last five hundred years: to create a disunited Europe. In that cause we have fought with the Dutch against the Spanish, with the Germans against the French, with the French and Italians against the Germans, and with the French against the Germans and Italians. Divide and rule, you see. Why should we change now, when it's worked so well?
Hacker: That's all ancient history, surely?
Sir Humphrey: Yes, and current policy. We had to break the whole thing up, so we had to get inside. We tried to break it up from the outside, but that wouldn't work. Now that we're inside we can make a complete pig's breakfast of the whole thing — set the Germans against the French, the French against the Italians, the Italians against the Dutch... The Foreign Office is terribly pleased; it's just like old times.
Hacker: But surely we're all committed to the European ideal?
Sir Humphrey: [chuckles] Really, Minister.
Hacker: If not, why are we pushing for an increase in the membership?
Sir Humphrey: Well, for the same reason. It's just like the United Nations, in fact; the more members it has, the more arguments it can stir up, the more futile and impotent it becomes.
Hacker: What appalling cynicism.
Sir Humphrey: Yes... We call it diplomacy, Minister.
Was there another vote on changing exit day in UK legislation, or is that still set at June 30th following the vote on Tuesday?
There’s no vote . The negative procedure for the statutory instrument is in operation . Effectively there’s 40 days for a thing called a prayer to happen . But even then it might not get debated and voted on . The last extension had an affirmative procedure and that’s why you needed a vote in both houses .
Thanks. I don't think I will ever have even a basic grasp of Parliamentary procedure.
Ugh, I thought Abbott was more sensible than that (atleast she seemed to not be as naive as Jegsy on the whole Russia/Salisbury saga).
Is she un-sensible for believing it or for saying it? If it's the former, I'm puzzled as to what other conclusion to draw?
Well, for a start he isn't being perused. But for another thing, ultimately he is now being pursued because he continues to try and obtain and disseminate classified information. It's worth remembering Abbott was a member of a government that had an opposition MP arrested and his office at the House of Commons searched for far less serious breaches.
Was there another vote on changing exit day in UK legislation, or is that still set at June 30th following the vote on Tuesday?
There’s no vote . The negative procedure for the statutory instrument is in operation . Effectively there’s 40 days for a thing called a prayer to happen . But even then it might not get debated and voted on . The last extension had an affirmative procedure and that’s why you needed a vote in both houses .
Thanks. I don't think I will ever have even a basic grasp of Parliamentary procedure.
It was a clever amendment that the Government got the Lords to make to Cooper-Letwin, avoiding the need for a vote to change the exit date by ensuring the legislation was amended automatically.
Ugh, I thought Abbott was more sensible than that (atleast she seemed to not be as naive as Jegsy on the whole Russia/Salisbury saga).
Is she un-sensible for believing it or for saying it? If it's the former, I'm puzzled as to what other conclusion to draw?
Well, both I guess. I'm not sure how I feel about him potentially being extradited to the US over the Wikileaks thing, but I've really got no sympathy for him skipping bail or the Swedish sexual assault allegations.
But, even if she does genuinely believe Assange is a victim, it's annoying that she's given the media the opportunity to rake Labour over the coals again, and for such a pointless cause - at very best, Assange is an obnoxious dickhead who can fight his own battles without Labour sacrificing themselves for him.
I really hope Donald Tusk remains President of the EU Council after November .
He’s fast turning into my favourite EU politician . A wonderful man who passionately believes in the EU and who still hopes against hope that the UK might change its mind .
I really hope Donald Tusk remains President of the EU Council after November .
He’s fast turning into my favourite EU politician . A wonderful man who passionately believes in the EU and who still hopes against hope that the UK might change its mind .
He can't remain - it's a fixed 30-month term which can be renewed only once, and his second term expires 30th Nov.
That is such a shame. If only we had someone like him here.
Was there another vote on changing exit day in UK legislation, or is that still set at June 30th following the vote on Tuesday?
There’s no vote . The negative procedure for the statutory instrument is in operation . Effectively there’s 40 days for a thing called a prayer to happen . But even then it might not get debated and voted on . The last extension had an affirmative procedure and that’s why you needed a vote in both houses .
Thanks. I don't think I will ever have even a basic grasp of Parliamentary procedure.
I really hope Donald Tusk remains President of the EU Council after November .
He’s fast turning into my favourite EU politician . A wonderful man who passionately believes in the EU and who still hopes against hope that the UK might change its mind .
He is the sort of sane leader that we need. Not autocratic or bombastic and willing to find a way through the maze. The EU27 are fortunate indeed.
If only the President of the Commission wasn't somebody who makes May look like a heavyweight.
On that subject, do we have a list of Spitzenkandidaten yet? Or will that only be confirmed when the stitch up, er, appointment is made?
After the Euro elections. Current betting is that the socialist group might be in the driving seat.
I really hope Donald Tusk remains President of the EU Council after November .
He’s fast turning into my favourite EU politician . A wonderful man who passionately believes in the EU and who still hopes against hope that the UK might change its mind .
He is the sort of sane leader that we need. Not autocratic or bombastic and willing to find a way through the maze. The EU27 are fortunate indeed.
If only the President of the Commission wasn't somebody who makes May look like a heavyweight.
On that subject, do we have a list of Spitzenkandidaten yet? Or will that only be confirmed when the stitch up, er, appointment is made?
After the Euro elections. Current betting is that the socialist group might be in the driving seat.
Do we know anything about their candidate? I am genuinely interested, not just being awkward!
Was there another vote on changing exit day in UK legislation, or is that still set at June 30th following the vote on Tuesday?
There’s no vote . The negative procedure for the statutory instrument is in operation . Effectively there’s 40 days for a thing called a prayer to happen . But even then it might not get debated and voted on . The last extension had an affirmative procedure and that’s why you needed a vote in both houses .
Thanks. I don't think I will ever have even a basic grasp of Parliamentary procedure.
You’re welcome , even though I’ve been a political junkie for many years the Brexit saga has delivered lots of new things . I think it’s highlighted just how important the Speaker is with the Tories having no effective majority .
Bercow has become a bit of a hit globally , he’s been featured on tv aswell as appearing in several publications like Der Spiegel and La Republica . He’s become quite the star .
Was there another vote on changing exit day in UK legislation, or is that still set at June 30th following the vote on Tuesday?
There’s no vote . The negative procedure for the statutory instrument is in operation . Effectively there’s 40 days for a thing called a prayer to happen . But even then it might not get debated and voted on . The last extension had an affirmative procedure and that’s why you needed a vote in both houses .
Thanks. I don't think I will ever have even a basic grasp of Parliamentary procedure.
Have you ever considered a career as an MP?
TIGs or Change UK to be correct have sent me an application to apply to represent them at the EU elections
I did not know they read this forum but not at my age though if the Bakers, Francois and Cash continue their ultra wrecking manoeuvers I would vote in a GE for them if the conservative was an ERG member
Ugh, I thought Abbott was more sensible than that (atleast she seemed to not be as naive as Jegsy on the whole Russia/Salisbury saga).
Is she un-sensible for believing it or for saying it? If it's the former, I'm puzzled as to what other conclusion to draw?
Well, both I guess. I'm not sure how I feel about him potentially being extradited to the US over the Wikileaks thing, but I've really got no sympathy for him skipping bail or the Swedish sexual assault allegations.
But, even if she does genuinely believe Assange is a victim, it's annoying that she's given the media the opportunity to rake Labour over the coals again, and for such a pointless cause.
It also means that were she to become Home Secretary and have to make a decision on his case, she might have to resile from making the decision on the basis that her previous utterances show that she is not impartial and would not consider the relevant material fairly. The state seeking extradition might make such a case. Of course, Abbott and Corbyn might not care about pissing off the US, indeed might think it a badge of honour. But the rest of us should be concerned about having a Home Secretary who does not follow due process. And what if the US takes the Home Secretary to court and wins?
Was there another vote on changing exit day in UK legislation, or is that still set at June 30th following the vote on Tuesday?
There’s no vote . The negative procedure for the statutory instrument is in operation . Effectively there’s 40 days for a thing called a prayer to happen . But even then it might not get debated and voted on . The last extension had an affirmative procedure and that’s why you needed a vote in both houses .
Thanks. I don't think I will ever have even a basic grasp of Parliamentary procedure.
Have you ever considered a career as an MP?
TIGs or Change UK to be correct have sent me an application to apply to represent them at the EU elections
I did not know they read this forum but not at my age though if the Bakers, Francois and Cash continue their ultra wrecking manoeuvers I would vote in a GE for them if the conservative was an ERG member
I really hope Donald Tusk remains President of the EU Council after November .
He’s fast turning into my favourite EU politician . A wonderful man who passionately believes in the EU and who still hopes against hope that the UK might change its mind .
He is the sort of sane leader that we need. Not autocratic or bombastic and willing to find a way through the maze. The EU27 are fortunate indeed.
If only the President of the Commission wasn't somebody who makes May look like a heavyweight.
On that subject, do we have a list of Spitzenkandidaten yet? Or will that only be confirmed when the stitch up, er, appointment is made?
After the Euro elections. Current betting is that the socialist group might be in the driving seat.
Do we know anything about their candidate? I am genuinely interested, not just being awkward!
Frans Timmermans. Spitzenkandidat of the Party of European Socialists (PES) for President of the European Commission in the 2019 European Parliament elections.
Ugh, I thought Abbott was more sensible than that (atleast she seemed to not be as naive as Jegsy on the whole Russia/Salisbury saga).
Is she un-sensible for believing it or for saying it? If it's the former, I'm puzzled as to what other conclusion to draw?
Well, both I guess. I'm not sure how I feel about him potentially being extradited to the US over the Wikileaks thing, but I've really got no sympathy for him skipping bail or the Swedish sexual assault allegations.
But, even if she does genuinely believe Assange is a victim, it's annoying that she's given the media the opportunity to rake Labour over the coals again, and for such a pointless cause.
It also means that were she to become Home Secretary and have to make a decision on his case, she might have to resile from making the decision on the basis that her previous utterances show that she is not impartial and would not consider the relevant material fairly. The state seeking extradition might make such a case. Of course, Abbott and Corbyn might not care about pissing off the US, indeed might think it a badge of honour. But the rest of us should be concerned about having a Home Secretary who does not follow due process. And what if the US takes the Home Secretary to court and wins?
Please don't even think about it. World popcorn supplies are already dangerously stretched.
I really hope Donald Tusk remains President of the EU Council after November .
He’s fast turning into my favourite EU politician . A wonderful man who passionately believes in the EU and who still hopes against hope that the UK might change its mind .
He is the sort of sane leader that we need. Not autocratic or bombastic and willing to find a way through the maze. The EU27 are fortunate indeed.
If only the President of the Commission wasn't somebody who makes May look like a heavyweight.
On that subject, do we have a list of Spitzenkandidaten yet? Or will that only be confirmed when the stitch up, er, appointment is made?
After the Euro elections. Current betting is that the socialist group might be in the driving seat.
Latest projection has the EPP on 22.9%, the Socialists on 18%, ALDE on 13.1%, the ECR on 8% and the ENF on 8.4% and Greens on 8.4%, GUE/NGL on 7.3% and the EFDD on 6.8% so if the Socialists come first it may be down to Labour MEPs (as that poll excluded the UK)
Was there another vote on changing exit day in UK legislation, or is that still set at June 30th following the vote on Tuesday?
There’s no vote . The negative procedure for the statutory instrument is in operation . Effectively there’s 40 days for a thing called a prayer to happen . But even then it might not get debated and voted on . The last extension had an affirmative procedure and that’s why you needed a vote in both houses .
Thanks. I don't think I will ever have even a basic grasp of Parliamentary procedure.
Have you ever considered a career as an MP?
TIGs or Change UK to be correct have sent me an application to apply to represent them at the EU elections
I did not know they read this forum but not at my age though if the Bakers, Francois and Cash continue their ultra wrecking manoeuvers I would vote in a GE for them if the conservative was an ERG member
I really hope Donald Tusk remains President of the EU Council after November .
He’s fast turning into my favourite EU politician . A wonderful man who passionately believes in the EU and who still hopes against hope that the UK might change its mind .
He is the sort of sane leader that we need. Not autocratic or bombastic and willing to find a way through the maze. The EU27 are fortunate indeed.
If only the President of the Commission wasn't somebody who makes May look like a heavyweight.
On that subject, do we have a list of Spitzenkandidaten yet? Or will that only be confirmed when the stitch up, er, appointment is made?
After the Euro elections. Current betting is that the socialist group might be in the driving seat.
Do we know anything about their candidate? I am genuinely interested, not just being awkward!
Frans Timmermans. Spitzenkandidat of the Party of European Socialists (PES) for President of the European Commission in the 2019 European elections.
Was there another vote on changing exit day in UK legislation, or is that still set at June 30th following the vote on Tuesday?
There’s no vote . The negative procedure for the statutory instrument is in operation . Effectively there’s 40 days for a thing called a prayer to happen . But even then it might not get debated and voted on . The last extension had an affirmative procedure and that’s why you needed a vote in both houses .
Thanks. I don't think I will ever have even a basic grasp of Parliamentary procedure.
Have you ever considered a career as an MP?
TIGs or Change UK to be correct have sent me an application to apply to represent them at the EU elections
I did not know they read this forum but not at my age though if the Bakers, Francois and Cash continue their ultra wrecking manoeuvers I would vote in a GE for them if the conservative was an ERG member
I am, I have to say, a teensy bit tempted.
I might have been tempted - even though standing for them in the West Midlands would be an exercise in being hit over the head with a cricket bat.
I think May has come to realise that the ERG and DUP will never support any deal and she has been forced to allow reality to intrude. It's clear she is no longer willing to see a no deal departure and she is serious about wanting a cross party agreement, which she knows will split the Tories. She must know that a customs union and a second referendum would have to form part of such an agreement and maybe it is no longer inconceivable that she will accept that. She can never be the hero of the Brexiteers so she just might decide to become the hero of the remainers instead.
I really hope Donald Tusk remains President of the EU Council after November .
He’s fast turning into my favourite EU politician . A wonderful man who passionately believes in the EU and who still hopes against hope that the UK might change its mind .
He is the sort of sane leader that we need. Not autocratic or bombastic and willing to find a way through the maze. The EU27 are fortunate indeed.
If only the President of the Commission wasn't somebody who makes May look like a heavyweight.
On that subject, do we have a list of Spitzenkandidaten yet? Or will that only be confirmed when the stitch up, er, appointment is made?
After the Euro elections. Current betting is that the socialist group might be in the driving seat.
Do we know anything about their candidate? I am genuinely interested, not just being awkward!
Frans Timmermans. Spitzenkandidat of the Party of European Socialists (PES) for President of the European Commission in the 2019 European elections.
Was there another vote on changing exit day in UK legislation, or is that still set at June 30th following the vote on Tuesday?
There’s no vote . The negative procedure for the statutory instrument is in operation . Effectively there’s 40 days for a thing called a prayer to happen . But even then it might not get debated and voted on . The last extension had an affirmative procedure and that’s why you needed a vote in both houses .
Thanks. I don't think I will ever have even a basic grasp of Parliamentary procedure.
It was a clever amendment that the Government got the Lords to make to Cooper-Letwin, avoiding the need for a vote to change the exit date by ensuring the legislation was amended automatically.
Yes that was very important especially given the short timeframe , also allowing May the freedom to agree an extension as long as it was later than May 22 nd.
The original bill was flawed even though its intentions were good . I’m not sure I could have coped with the stress if May had to come back and get MPs to agree the longer extension today . And the EU leaders would already have left the summit so logistically it could have caused problems .
Lord Pannick of Gina Miller fame was one of the crossbenchers who rang the alarm bells . And he and others did everything they could given the scope of the bill to stop an accidental no deal .
I think May has come to realise that the ERG and DUP will never support any deal and she has been forced to allow reality to intrude. It's clear she is no longer willing to see a no deal departure and she is serious about wanting a cross party agreement, which she knows will split the Tories. She must know that a customs union and a second referendum would have to form part of such an agreement and maybe it is no longer inconceivable that she will accept that. She can never be the hero of the Brexiteers so she just might decide to become the hero of the remainers instead.
She has my backing for that process which may end up with a referendum and UK remaining
If the ERG want to vote against their government in a vonc the whip would go and the party would be purged of the irreconcilable ultras
Well I suppose anyone confronted by a knife-wielding thug tonight can draw comfort from the fact that Assange has been nailed.
Well, we no longer have to waste police time pursuing a fugitive who is clearly either deranged or so dishonest that he is more or less divorced from reality anyway.
To be blunt, his best course of action is probably to claim insanity, in which case it's unlikely he would be extradited even to Sweden.
The stakeout op cost £4M in its first year. That's the cost of 40 FTE Met coppers plus all the support they need.
I think May has come to realise that the ERG and DUP will never support any deal and she has been forced to allow reality to intrude. It's clear she is no longer willing to see a no deal departure and she is serious about wanting a cross party agreement, which she knows will split the Tories. She must know that a customs union and a second referendum would have to form part of such an agreement and maybe it is no longer inconceivable that she will accept that. She can never be the hero of the Brexiteers so she just might decide to become the hero of the remainers instead.
It has taken a long, long time for the penny to drop. It has blindingly obvious for months that the only way to build a majority was by turning left rather than right.
I think May has come to realise that the ERG and DUP will never support any deal and she has been forced to allow reality to intrude. It's clear she is no longer willing to see a no deal departure and she is serious about wanting a cross party agreement, which she knows will split the Tories. She must know that a customs union and a second referendum would have to form part of such an agreement and maybe it is no longer inconceivable that she will accept that. She can never be the hero of the Brexiteers so she just might decide to become the hero of the remainers instead.
It has taken a long, long time for the penny to drop. It has blindingly obvious for months that the only way to build a majority was by turning left rather than right.
Well I suppose anyone confronted by a knife-wielding thug tonight can draw comfort from the fact that Assange has been nailed.
Well, we no longer have to waste police time pursuing a fugitive who is clearly either deranged or so dishonest that he is more or less divorced from reality anyway.
To be blunt, his best course of action is probably to claim insanity, in which case it's unlikely he would be extradited even to Sweden.
The stakeout op cost £4M in its first year. That's the cost of 40 FTE Met coppers plus all the support they need.
Would be nice to think there was a way of getting that money back. Do you suppose Pamela Anderson would stump up for it?
Jan Zahradil. Spitzenkandidat of the Alliance of Conservatives and Reformists in Europe (ACRE) for President of the European Commission in the 2019 European Parliament elections.
Labour can't campaign for revoke as it will annoy Northern Leave MPs. It can't campaign for the a Deal as that wil annoy the South. A peoples' vote offers them a safe and easy way to campaign in the EU elections without hurting anyone.
Now where are the odds for Labour to win most votes and seats..
I think May has come to realise that the ERG and DUP will never support any deal and she has been forced to allow reality to intrude. It's clear she is no longer willing to see a no deal departure and she is serious about wanting a cross party agreement, which she knows will split the Tories. She must know that a customs union and a second referendum would have to form part of such an agreement and maybe it is no longer inconceivable that she will accept that. She can never be the hero of the Brexiteers so she just might decide to become the hero of the remainers instead.
She has my backing for that process which may end up with a referendum and UK remaining
If the ERG want to vote against their government in a vonc the whip would go and the party would be purged of the irreconcilable ultras
I think under those circumstances you would find that all 'the party' would be left with is a skeleton whilst most of its members, activists and supporters went elsewhere. Together with the majority of its MPs. I make no comment on the rights or wrongs of the ERG and think they have been very stupid in how they have handled the whole Brexit situation but right now they certainly appear to have more support at the grassroots than May does.
I think May has come to realise that the ERG and DUP will never support any deal and she has been forced to allow reality to intrude. It's clear she is no longer willing to see a no deal departure and she is serious about wanting a cross party agreement, which she knows will split the Tories. She must know that a customs union and a second referendum would have to form part of such an agreement and maybe it is no longer inconceivable that she will accept that. She can never be the hero of the Brexiteers so she just might decide to become the hero of the remainers instead.
No, actually she will let the Labour talks run into the sand. She knows they wont settle for anything less than a full CU (see Corbyn's response in the HoC earlier), which would be humiliating and damaging for her to concede. She knows that if she pushes the "indicative options" process to a conclusion, after the recess, the favoured option that will emerge is almost certainly CU (and if not, CM2, which is better from her perspective) and hence she now intends to let the Commons identify CU as the way forward. That way she doesn't have to concede it herself, just follow the 'will of the House'.
I think May has come to realise that the ERG and DUP will never support any deal and she has been forced to allow reality to intrude. It's clear she is no longer willing to see a no deal departure and she is serious about wanting a cross party agreement, which she knows will split the Tories. She must know that a customs union and a second referendum would have to form part of such an agreement and maybe it is no longer inconceivable that she will accept that. She can never be the hero of the Brexiteers so she just might decide to become the hero of the remainers instead.
A CU maybe, a referendum was much further from a Commons majority.
Plus May made clear she will hold more indicative votes in the Commons if talks with Labour break down
I think May has come to realise that the ERG and DUP will never support any deal and she has been forced to allow reality to intrude. It's clear she is no longer willing to see a no deal departure and she is serious about wanting a cross party agreement, which she knows will split the Tories. She must know that a customs union and a second referendum would have to form part of such an agreement and maybe it is no longer inconceivable that she will accept that. She can never be the hero of the Brexiteers so she just might decide to become the hero of the remainers instead.
A CU maybe, a referendum was much further from a Commons majority.
Plus May made clear she will hold more indicative votes in the Commons if talks with Labour break down
Well I suppose anyone confronted by a knife-wielding thug tonight can draw comfort from the fact that Assange has been nailed.
Well, we no longer have to waste police time pursuing a fugitive who is clearly either deranged or so dishonest that he is more or less divorced from reality anyway.
To be blunt, his best course of action is probably to claim insanity, in which case it's unlikely he would be extradited even to Sweden.
The stakeout op cost £4M in its first year. That's the cost of 40 FTE Met coppers plus all the support they need.
Incidentally, that figure is interesting because we were told a couple of years back in Labour's fully costed manifesto that the cost of 10,000 extra police officers was £300 million (well, Diane Abbott said 'thousand' but she meant million).
But if the cost of 40 full time officers is £4 million, that means the cost of ten thousand extra officers would have been somewhat closer to £1 billion.
Not that I'm doubting your figures...in fact they sound about right to me...
Manfred Weber. Spitzenkandidat of the European People's Party (EPP) for President of the European Commission in the 2019 European Parliament elections.
I think May has come to realise that the ERG and DUP will never support any deal and she has been forced to allow reality to intrude. It's clear she is no longer willing to see a no deal departure and she is serious about wanting a cross party agreement, which she knows will split the Tories. She must know that a customs union and a second referendum would have to form part of such an agreement and maybe it is no longer inconceivable that she will accept that. She can never be the hero of the Brexiteers so she just might decide to become the hero of the remainers instead.
A CU maybe, a referendum was much further from a Commons majority.
Plus May made clear she will hold more indicative votes in the Commons if talks with Labour break down
And there lies the referendum
It does not have the votes, a CU probably does, certainly after preferences which May did not rule out today
I think May has come to realise that the ERG and DUP will never support any deal and she has been forced to allow reality to intrude. It's clear she is no longer willing to see a no deal departure and she is serious about wanting a cross party agreement, which she knows will split the Tories. She must know that a customs union and a second referendum would have to form part of such an agreement and maybe it is no longer inconceivable that she will accept that. She can never be the hero of the Brexiteers so she just might decide to become the hero of the remainers instead.
She has my backing for that process which may end up with a referendum and UK remaining
If the ERG want to vote against their government in a vonc the whip would go and the party would be purged of the irreconcilable ultras
I think under those circumstances you would find that all 'the party' would be left with is a skeleton whilst most of its members, activists and supporters went elsewhere. Together with the majority of its MPs. I make no comment on the rights or wrongs of the ERG and think they have been very stupid in how they have handled the whole Brexit situation but right now they certainly appear to have more support at the grassroots than May does.
I think that's correct. If May were to concede both CU and a second referendum, she would be left with a minority of the Conservative Party. It's not just the ERG who would baulk at that.
Labour can't campaign for revoke as it will annoy Northern Leave MPs. It can't campaign for the a Deal as that wil annoy the South. A peoples' vote offers them a safe and easy way to campaign in the EU elections without hurting anyone.
Now where are the odds for Labour to win most votes and seats..
What side would Labour campaign for in such a PV? 'Their' deal, or Remain?
She has my backing for that process which may end up with a referendum and UK remaining
If the ERG want to vote against their government in a vonc the whip would go and the party would be purged of the irreconcilable ultras
I think under those circumstances you would find that all 'the party' would be left with is a skeleton whilst most of its members, activists and supporters went elsewhere. Together with the majority of its MPs. I make no comment on the rights or wrongs of the ERG and think they have been very stupid in how they have handled the whole Brexit situation but right now they certainly appear to have more support at the grassroots than May does.
I think that's correct. If May were to concede both CU and a second referendum, she would be left with a minority of the Conservative Party. It's not just the ERG who would baulk at that.
Yes, the Tories would go the way of the Progressive Conservatives in Canada, especially if that referendum led to Remain and be overtaken on the right by the Brexit Party as the Reform Party overtook the PCs in 1993, the PCs only returning to power in 2006 after the 2 parties merged in 2003 to form the Conservative Party of Canada
Labour can't campaign for revoke as it will annoy Northern Leave MPs. It can't campaign for the a Deal as that wil annoy the South. A peoples' vote offers them a safe and easy way to campaign in the EU elections without hurting anyone.
Now where are the odds for Labour to win most votes and seats..
What side would Labour campaign for in such a PV? 'Their' deal, or Remain?
Free campaign. Meaning the vast majority can campaign for remain and the leadership can take a back seat.
I think May has come to realise that the ERG and DUP will never support any deal and she has been forced to allow reality to intrude. It's clear she is no longer willing to see a no deal departure and she is serious about wanting a cross party agreement, which she knows will split the Tories. She must know that a customs union and a second referendum would have to form part of such an agreement and maybe it is no longer inconceivable that she will accept that. She can never be the hero of the Brexiteers so she just might decide to become the hero of the remainers instead.
She has my backing for that process which may end up with a referendum and UK remaining
If the ERG want to vote against their government in a vonc the whip would go and the party would be purged of the irreconcilable ultras
I think under those circumstances you would find that all 'the party' would be left with is a skeleton whilst most of its members, activists and supporters went elsewhere. Together with the majority of its MPs. I make no comment on the rights or wrongs of the ERG and think they have been very stupid in how they have handled the whole Brexit situation but right now they certainly appear to have more support at the grassroots than May does.
I think that's correct. If May were to concede both CU and a second referendum, she would be left with a minority of the Conservative Party. It's not just the ERG who would baulk at that.
TM said today she would have amendable indicative votes that could accommodate a referendum.
For a referendum to happen it's amendment would have to win a majority and as Hyufd says the numbers have not been there but there is some indication the momentum is with this outcome. If the HOC mandated it this way then TM would not be directly responsible, the will of the House probably aided by Bercow would be the enablers
Well I suppose anyone confronted by a knife-wielding thug tonight can draw comfort from the fact that Assange has been nailed.
Well, we no longer have to waste police time pursuing a fugitive who is clearly either deranged or so dishonest that he is more or less divorced from reality anyway.
To be blunt, his best course of action is probably to claim insanity, in which case it's unlikely he would be extradited even to Sweden.
The stakeout op cost £4M in its first year. That's the cost of 40 FTE Met coppers plus all the support they need.
Incidentally, that figure is interesting because we were told a couple of years back in Labour's fully costed manifesto that the cost of 10,000 extra police officers was £300 million (well, Diane Abbott said 'thousand' but she meant million).
But if the cost of 40 full time officers is £4 million, that means the cost of ten thousand extra officers would have been somewhat closer to £1 billion.
Not that I'm doubting your figures...in fact they sound about right to me...
Just saying...
The Met has a budget of c£3BN and has 30k warranted officers, i.e. it takes £100kpa to 'run' a policeman.
I think May has come to realise that the ERG and DUP will never support any deal and she has been forced to allow reality to intrude. It's clear she is no longer willing to see a no deal departure and she is serious about wanting a cross party agreement, which she knows will split the Tories. She must know that a customs union and a second referendum would have to form part of such an agreement and maybe it is no longer inconceivable that she will accept that. She can never be the hero of the Brexiteers so she just might decide to become the hero of the remainers instead.
She has my backing for that process which may end up with a referendum and UK remaining
If the ERG want to vote against their government in a vonc the whip would go and the party would be purged of the irreconcilable ultras
I think under those circumstances you would find that all 'the party' would be left with is a skeleton whilst most of its members, activists and supporters went elsewhere. Together with the majority of its MPs. I make no comment on the rights or wrongs of the ERG and think they have been very stupid in how they have handled the whole Brexit situation but right now they certainly appear to have more support at the grassroots than May does.
I think that's correct. If May were to concede both CU and a second referendum, she would be left with a minority of the Conservative Party. It's not just the ERG who would baulk at that.
TM said today she would have amendable indicative votes that could accommodate a referendum.
For a referendum to happen it's amendment would have to win a majority and as Hyfud says the numbers have not been there but there is some indication the momentum is with this outcome. If the HOC mandated it this way then TM would not be directly responsible, the will of the House probably aided by Bercow would be the enablers
That doesn't contradict my post.
Conservative MP's, members, and voters aren't just going to shrug and say that's okay.
Was there another vote on changing exit day in UK legislation, or is that still set at June 30th following the vote on Tuesday?
There’s no vote . The negative procedure for the statutory instrument is in operation . Effectively there’s 40 days for a thing called a prayer to happen . But even then it might not get debated and voted on . The last extension had an affirmative procedure and that’s why you needed a vote in both houses .
Thanks. I don't think I will ever have even a basic grasp of Parliamentary procedure.
Have you ever considered a career as an MP?
TIGs or Change UK to be correct have sent me an application to apply to represent them at the EU elections
I did not know they read this forum but not at my age though if the Bakers, Francois and Cash continue their ultra wrecking manoeuvers I would vote in a GE for them if the conservative was an ERG member
It is interesting that Labour support in the polls seem to collapse first, and now the Tories are just catching up and indeed overtaking them in terms of collapse. All quite strange. https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1116351585125392384
Mr. Isam, reminds me of Yes, Prime Minister, with the broadcast. If there's no change, high energy yellow wallpaper. If there's change, traditional oak panelling.
Do you know I have never seen an episode of that programme, nor The Thick Of It?
Sir Humphrey: Minister, Britain has had the same foreign policy objective for at least the last five hundred years: to create a disunited Europe. In that cause we have fought with the Dutch against the Spanish, with the Germans against the French, with the French and Italians against the Germans, and with the French against the Germans and Italians. Divide and rule, you see. Why should we change now, when it's worked so well?
Hacker: That's all ancient history, surely?
Sir Humphrey: Yes, and current policy. We had to break the whole thing up, so we had to get inside. We tried to break it up from the outside, but that wouldn't work. Now that we're inside we can make a complete pig's breakfast of the whole thing — set the Germans against the French, the French against the Italians, the Italians against the Dutch... The Foreign Office is terribly pleased; it's just like old times.
Hacker: But surely we're all committed to the European ideal?
Sir Humphrey: [chuckles] Really, Minister.
Hacker: If not, why are we pushing for an increase in the membership?
Sir Humphrey: Well, for the same reason. It's just like the United Nations, in fact; the more members it has, the more arguments it can stir up, the more futile and impotent it becomes.
Hacker: What appalling cynicism.
Sir Humphrey: Yes... We call it diplomacy, Minister.
Labour can't campaign for revoke as it will annoy Northern Leave MPs. It can't campaign for the a Deal as that wil annoy the South. A peoples' vote offers them a safe and easy way to campaign in the EU elections without hurting anyone.
Now where are the odds for Labour to win most votes and seats..
What side would Labour campaign for in such a PV? 'Their' deal, or Remain?
Read the article as it states Corbyn would remain neutral and allow MPs to campaign for whatever side they prefer.
After all this is only there for 2 reasons. It means that labour can campaign in the EU elections without making a commitment and after any referendum can look at any result and say not our fault...
It is interesting that Labour support in the polls seem to collapse first, and now the Tories are just catching up and indeed overtaking them in terms of collapse. All quite strange. https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1116351585125392384
Not really. It's only fear of the other side that kept support for each party so high. When one falls, the other follows.
Labour can't campaign for revoke as it will annoy Northern Leave MPs. It can't campaign for the a Deal as that wil annoy the South. A peoples' vote offers them a safe and easy way to campaign in the EU elections without hurting anyone.
Now where are the odds for Labour to win most votes and seats..
What side would Labour campaign for in such a PV? 'Their' deal, or Remain?
Read the article as it states Corbyn would remain neutral and allow MPs to campaign for whatever side they prefer.
After all this is only there for 2 reasons. It means that labour can campaign in the EU elections without making a commitment and after any referendum can look at any result and say not our fault...
I think May has come to realise that the ERG and DUP will never support any deal and she has been forced to allow reality to intrude. It's clear she is no longer willing to see a no deal departure and she is serious about wanting a cross party agreement, which she knows will split the Tories. She must know that a customs union and a second referendum would have to form part of such an agreement and maybe it is no longer inconceivable that she will accept that. She can never be the hero of the Brexiteers so she just might decide to become the hero of the remainers instead.
She has my backing for that process which may end up with a referendum and UK remaining
If the ERG want to vote against their government in a vonc the whip would go and the party would be purged of the irreconcilable ultras
I think under those circumstances you would find that all 'the party' would be left with is a skeleton whilst most of its members, activists and supporters went elsewhere. Together with the majority of its MPs. I make no comment on the rights or wrongs of the ERG and think they have been very stupid in how they have handled the whole Brexit situation but right now they certainly appear to have more support at the grassroots than May does.
I think that's correct. If May were to concede both CU and a second referendum, she would be left with a minority of the Conservative Party. It's not just the ERG who would baulk at that.
We’ll probably just piss around for another 6 months.
Labour can't campaign for revoke as it will annoy Northern Leave MPs. It can't campaign for the a Deal as that wil annoy the South. A peoples' vote offers them a safe and easy way to campaign in the EU elections without hurting anyone.
Now where are the odds for Labour to win most votes and seats..
What side would Labour campaign for in such a PV? 'Their' deal, or Remain?
Read the article as it states Corbyn would remain neutral and allow MPs to campaign for whatever side they prefer.
After all this is only there for 2 reasons. It means that labour can campaign in the EU elections without making a commitment and after any referendum can look at any result and say not our fault...
The voters fault then?
I didn't think the EU would give extra time for us to faff around, but it turned out that they would.
Guy Verhofstadt, Sylvie Goulard, Margrethe Vestager, Cecilia Malmström, Hans van Baalen, Emma Bonino, Violeta Bulc. Collective Spitzenkandidaten of the Alliance of Liberals and Democrats for Europe (ALDE) for President of the European Commission in the 2019 European Parliament elections.
Labour can't campaign for revoke as it will annoy Northern Leave MPs. It can't campaign for the a Deal as that wil annoy the South. A peoples' vote offers them a safe and easy way to campaign in the EU elections without hurting anyone.
Now where are the odds for Labour to win most votes and seats..
What side would Labour campaign for in such a PV? 'Their' deal, or Remain?
Read the article as it states Corbyn would remain neutral and allow MPs to campaign for whatever side they prefer.
After all this is only there for 2 reasons. It means that labour can campaign in the EU elections without making a commitment and after any referendum can look at any result and say not our fault...
The voters fault then?
I didn't think the EU would give extra time for us to faff around, but it turned out that they would.
Remember no one wants the blame for where we eventually end up..
If there was a PV on Mays deal v remain, who would campaign for Mays deal? It would be May and hubby with a couple of activists to cover the whole country.
If there was a PV on Mays deal v remain, who would campaign for Mays deal? It would be May and hubby with a couple of activists to cover the whole country.
Hence why it would fail. Beyond May and Rory Stewart very few others have backed it positively, rather than reluctantly. Although at his current rate of change Daniel Kawczynski probably would.
Labour can't campaign for revoke as it will annoy Northern Leave MPs. It can't campaign for the a Deal as that wil annoy the South. A peoples' vote offers them a safe and easy way to campaign in the EU elections without hurting anyone.
Now where are the odds for Labour to win most votes and seats..
What side would Labour campaign for in such a PV? 'Their' deal, or Remain?
Read the article as it states Corbyn would remain neutral and allow MPs to campaign for whatever side they prefer.
After all this is only there for 2 reasons. It means that labour can campaign in the EU elections without making a commitment and after any referendum can look at any result and say not our fault...
I was...reading it but...when reading...Peston I read it in his...voice and so...it does take me a while.
Ska Keller and Bas Eickhout. Joint Spitzenkandidaten of the European Green Party (EGP) for President of the European Commission in the 2019 European Parliament elections.
In addition, there might be the second Falcon Heavy launch later tonight.
Space is cool.
Space really is cool. I'll forgo Brexit if we can really ramp up the Euro Space Agency and spunk our 350 grand for the NHS a week into some rockets and stuff.
If there was a PV on Mays deal v remain, who would campaign for Mays deal? It would be May and hubby with a couple of activists to cover the whole country.
And anyone who wishes the UK will ever leave the EU - as if May's deal lost no one would talk about leaving the EU again. We would be like the German's in Faulty Towers..
Well I suppose anyone confronted by a knife-wielding thug tonight can draw comfort from the fact that Assange has been nailed.
Well, we no longer have to waste police time pursuing a fugitive who is clearly either deranged or so dishonest that he is more or less divorced from reality anyway.
To be blunt, his best course of action is probably to claim insanity, in which case it's unlikely he would be extradited even to Sweden.
The stakeout op cost £4M in its first year. That's the cost of 40 FTE Met coppers plus all the support they need.
Incidentally, that figure is interesting because we were told a couple of years back in Labour's fully costed manifesto that the cost of 10,000 extra police officers was £300 million (well, Diane Abbott said 'thousand' but she meant million).
But if the cost of 40 full time officers is £4 million, that means the cost of ten thousand extra officers would have been somewhat closer to £1 billion.
Not that I'm doubting your figures...in fact they sound about right to me...
Just saying...
The Met has a budget of c£3BN and has 30k warranted officers, i.e. it takes £100kpa to 'run' a policeman.
Labour's shadow home secretary Diane Abbott said Assange was being pursued for "whistle-blowing into illegal wars, mass murder, murder of civilians and corruption on a grand scale" that put him "in the cross-hairs of the US administration".
Ska Keller and Bas Eickhout. Joint Spitzenkandidaten of the European Green Party (EGP) for President of the European Commission in the 2019 European Parliament elections.
Well I suppose anyone confronted by a knife-wielding thug tonight can draw comfort from the fact that Assange has been nailed.
Well, we no longer have to waste police time pursuing a fugitive who is clearly either deranged or so dishonest that he is more or less divorced from reality anyway.
To be blunt, his best course of action is probably to claim insanity, in which case it's unlikely he would be extradited even to Sweden.
The stakeout op cost £4M in its first year. That's the cost of 40 FTE Met coppers plus all the support they need.
Incidentally, that figure is interesting because we were told a couple of years back in Labour's fully costed manifesto that the cost of 10,000 extra police officers was £300 million (well, Diane Abbott said 'thousand' but she meant million).
But if the cost of 40 full time officers is £4 million, that means the cost of ten thousand extra officers would have been somewhat closer to £1 billion.
Not that I'm doubting your figures...in fact they sound about right to me...
Just saying...
The Met has a budget of c£3BN and has 30k warranted officers, i.e. it takes £100kpa to 'run' a policeman.
And how much does it cost to train one?
No idea. £cost of running Hendon for a year / number of officers passing out of Hendon every year, though i don't know either number.
Sky have found a loony aristocratic supporter of Julian Assange.
Michael Shrimpton?
Lady Tracy Worcester. Apparently he's a hero who can do no wrong, the accusations against him are made up and he's 100% accurate in everything he says.
I think May has come to realise that the ERG and DUP will never support any deal and she has been forced to allow reality to intrude. It's clear she is no longer willing to see a no deal departure and she is serious about wanting a cross party agreement, which she knows will split the Tories. She must know that a customs union and a second referendum would have to form part of such an agreement and maybe it is no longer inconceivable that she will accept that. She can never be the hero of the Brexiteers so she just might decide to become the hero of the remainers instead.
She has my backing for that process which may end up with a referendum and UK remaining
If the ERG want to vote against their government in a vonc the whip would go and the party would be purged of the irreconcilable ultras
I think under those circumstances you would find that all 'the party' would be left with is a skeleton whilst most of its members, activists and supporters went elsewhere. Together with the majority of its MPs. I make no comment on the rights or wrongs of the ERG and think they have been very stupid in how they have handled the whole Brexit situation but right now they certainly appear to have more support at the grassroots than May does.
I think that's correct. If May were to concede both CU and a second referendum, she would be left with a minority of the Conservative Party. It's not just the ERG who would baulk at that.
TM said today she would have amendable indicative votes that could accommodate a referendum.
For a referendum to happen it's amendment would have to win a majority and as Hyfud says the numbers have not been there but there is some indication the momentum is with this outcome. If the HOC mandated it this way then TM would not be directly responsible, the will of the House probably aided by Bercow would be the enablers
That doesn't contradict my post.
Conservative MP's, members, and voters aren't just going to shrug and say that's okay.
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A strangely divisive aspiration for someone so previously committed to kicking the fudge-can.
Oriol Junqueras. Spitzenkandidat of the European Free Alliance (EFA) for President of the European Commission in the 2019 European Parliament elections.
Labour's shadow home secretary Diane Abbott said Assange was being pursued for "whistle-blowing into illegal wars, mass murder, murder of civilians and corruption on a grand scale" that put him "in the cross-hairs of the US administration".
Labour on the side of Russian lackies again I see. Even the Guardian thing he is a wrong'un these days.
The Guardian are sh*ts for the way they *accidentally* leaked the master password of the unredacted wikileak cables. Their excuse of sheer incompetence does not wash.
A member of my extended family (and I don't mean that in Charles' sense) was mentioned in the cables.
I'll never forgive the Guardian for that. They'are absolute shits.
Ska Keller and Bas Eickhout. Joint Spitzenkandidaten of the European Green Party (EGP) for President of the European Commission in the 2019 European Parliament elections.
If there was a PV on Mays deal v remain, who would campaign for Mays deal? It would be May and hubby with a couple of activists to cover the whole country.
And anyone who wishes the UK will ever leave the EU - as if May's deal lost no one would talk about leaving the EU again. We would be like the German's in Faulty Towers..
The more vociferous Brexiteers I talk to about it just speak of defacing the ballot paper, or organising a boycott. Daft time to be a purist given how tight the margin was at the last vote. Especially when Remain's best chance of winning is differential turn-out with greater motivation among those who strongly want to stay in the EU versus those who have mixed feelings about leaving on the terms available.
Plenty of evidence that boycotts don't work (think there have been more recent and more damning papers than that too) but try telling that to those who will only accept Leave if it's on their own exact terms...
Labour's shadow home secretary Diane Abbott said Assange was being pursued for "whistle-blowing into illegal wars, mass murder, murder of civilians and corruption on a grand scale" that put him "in the cross-hairs of the US administration".
Labour on the side of Russian lackies again I see. Even the Guardian thing he is a wrong'un these days.
The Guardian are sh*ts for the way they *accidentally* leaked the master password of the unredacted wikileak cables. Their excuse of sheer incompetence does not wash.
A member of my extended family (and I don't mean that in Charles' sense) was mentioned in the cables.
I'll never forgive the Guardian for that. They'are absolute shits.
Their former man Glenn Greenwald is also certainly an interesting individual.
Ska Keller and Bas Eickhout. Joint Spitzenkandidaten of the European Green Party (EGP) for President of the European Commission in the 2019 European Parliament elections.
Labour's shadow home secretary Diane Abbott said Assange was being pursued for "whistle-blowing into illegal wars, mass murder, murder of civilians and corruption on a grand scale" that put him "in the cross-hairs of the US administration".
Labour on the side of Russian lackies again I see. Even the Guardian thing he is a wrong'un these days.
I appreciate that Youtube is no more a 'real world' environment than PB, but people may want a quick look at the responses there to the arrest story to realise that elsewhere, alternative views certainly proliferate, Guardian or no Guardian.
If I were a member of the American Government I'd be delighted at this news. I'm just puzzled why a member of the UK public should be. Assange, whatever his personal defects, was instrumental in exposing wrongdoing that otherwise would have remained a secret.
The only thing I am pleased about is the merciful lifting of the burden on the public purse of surveiling him. Perhaps the police can now try and focus on stopping Londoners stabbing each other.
Nico Cue and Violeta Tomic. Joint Spitzenkandidaten of the Party of the European Left (PEL) for President of the European Commission in the 2019 European Parliament elections.
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"... cleanse themselves from genocide and apply for re-admission to the human race...."
Sir Humphrey: Minister, Britain has had the same foreign policy objective for at least the last five hundred years: to create a disunited Europe. In that cause we have fought with the Dutch against the Spanish, with the Germans against the French, with the French and Italians against the Germans, and with the French against the Germans and Italians. Divide and rule, you see. Why should we change now, when it's worked so well?
Hacker: That's all ancient history, surely?
Sir Humphrey: Yes, and current policy. We had to break the whole thing up, so we had to get inside. We tried to break it up from the outside, but that wouldn't work. Now that we're inside we can make a complete pig's breakfast of the whole thing — set the Germans against the French, the French against the Italians, the Italians against the Dutch... The Foreign Office is terribly pleased; it's just like old times.
Hacker: But surely we're all committed to the European ideal?
Sir Humphrey: [chuckles] Really, Minister.
Hacker: If not, why are we pushing for an increase in the membership?
Sir Humphrey: Well, for the same reason. It's just like the United Nations, in fact; the more members it has, the more arguments it can stir up, the more futile and impotent it becomes.
Hacker: What appalling cynicism.
Sir Humphrey: Yes... We call it diplomacy, Minister.
But, even if she does genuinely believe Assange is a victim, it's annoying that she's given the media the opportunity to rake Labour over the coals again, and for such a pointless cause - at very best, Assange is an obnoxious dickhead who can fight his own battles without Labour sacrificing themselves for him.
Bercow has become a bit of a hit globally , he’s been featured on tv aswell as appearing in several publications like Der Spiegel and La Republica . He’s become quite the star .
I did not know they read this forum but not at my age though if the Bakers, Francois and Cash continue their ultra wrecking manoeuvers I would vote in a GE for them if the conservative was an ERG member
https://www.politico.eu/article/socialists-nominate-frans-timmermans-for-european-commission-president/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frans_Timmermans
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_European_Parliament_election#Seat_projections
But I haven't been asked.
The original bill was flawed even though its intentions were good . I’m not sure I could have coped with the stress if May had to come back and get MPs to agree the longer extension today . And the EU leaders would already have left the summit so logistically it could have caused problems .
Lord Pannick of Gina Miller fame was one of the crossbenchers who rang the alarm bells . And he and others did everything they could given the scope of the bill to stop an accidental no deal .
If the ERG want to vote against their government in a vonc the whip would go and the party would be purged of the irreconcilable ultras
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1116399291235479552
https://www.euractiv.com/section/eu-elections-2019/news/ecr-puts-forward-czech-mep-as-their-spitzenkandidat-nominee/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alliance_of_Conservatives_and_Reformists_in_Europe
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Conservatives_and_Reformists
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Zahradil
https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1116398686219776006
Labour can't campaign for revoke as it will annoy Northern Leave MPs. It can't campaign for the a Deal as that wil annoy the South. A peoples' vote offers them a safe and easy way to campaign in the EU elections without hurting anyone.
Now where are the odds for Labour to win most votes and seats..
Plus May made clear she will hold more indicative votes in the Commons if talks with Labour break down
But if the cost of 40 full time officers is £4 million, that means the cost of ten thousand extra officers would have been somewhat closer to £1 billion.
Not that I'm doubting your figures...in fact they sound about right to me...
Just saying...
https://www.politico.eu/article/epp-debate-europes-conservatives-nominate-manfred-weber-for-eu-top-job-spitzenkandidat-european-parliament-election-2019/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manfred_Weber
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_People's_Party_group
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_People's_Party
For a referendum to happen it's amendment would have to win a majority and as Hyufd says the numbers have not been there but there is some indication the momentum is with this outcome. If the HOC mandated it this way then TM would not be directly responsible, the will of the House probably aided by Bercow would be the enablers
Conservative MP's, members, and voters aren't just going to shrug and say that's okay.
https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1116351585125392384
In ~20 minutes, an Israeli company will be attempting to land the first private-financed lander on the Moon. You can watch at:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMdUcchBYRA
In addition, there might be the second Falcon Heavy launch later tonight.
Space is cool.
After all this is only there for 2 reasons. It means that labour can campaign in the EU elections without making a commitment and after any referendum can look at any result and say not our fault...
We’ll probably just piss around for another 6 months.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Verhofstadt
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sylvie_Goulard
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margrethe_Vestager
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cecilia_Malmström
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_van_Baalen
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emma_Bonino
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violeta_Bulc
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alliance_of_Liberals_and_Democrats_for_Europe_Party
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alliance_of_Liberals_and_Democrats_for_Europe_Group
https://europeelects.eu/2019spitzenkandidaten/
https://www.politico.eu/article/european-greens-pick-favorites-for-spitzenkandidaten-race-ska-keller-bas-eickhout/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ska_Keller
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bas_Eickhout
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Green_Party
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greens–European_Free_Alliance
https://europeelects.eu/2019spitzenkandidaten/
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47891737
Labour on the side of Russian lackies again I see. Even the Guardian thing he is a wrong'un these days.
Could this be interpreted as another fail for poor old Macron? Everything he does seems to go wrong.
A strangely divisive aspiration for someone so previously committed to kicking the fudge-can.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oriol_Junqueras
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Free_Alliance
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greens–European_Free_Alliance
https://europeelects.eu/2019spitzenkandidaten/
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/elections-press-kit/2/lead-candidates
https://www.e-f-a.org/2019/03/08/oriol-junqueras-elected-as-efa-lead-candidate-for-upcoming-european-elections/
(Incidentally, Junqueras is in prison)
Seats:
Con 282
Lab 280
LD/Chuk 26
UKIP/Brexit 0
Green 1
PC 3
SNP 40
NI 18
Tories 44 short of an overall majority and just 2 seats ahead of Labour.
A member of my extended family (and I don't mean that in Charles' sense) was mentioned in the cables.
I'll never forgive the Guardian for that. They'are absolute shits.
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Plenty of evidence that boycotts don't work (think there have been more recent and more damning papers than that too) but try telling that to those who will only accept Leave if it's on their own exact terms...
If I were a member of the American Government I'd be delighted at this news. I'm just puzzled why a member of the UK public should be. Assange, whatever his personal defects, was instrumental in exposing wrongdoing that otherwise would have remained a secret.
The only thing I am pleased about is the merciful lifting of the burden on the public purse of surveiling him. Perhaps the police can now try and focus on stopping Londoners stabbing each other.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violeta_Tomić
https://agenceurope.eu/en/bulletin/article/12181/13
https://www.european-left.org/campaigns/two-candidates-from-the-people-for-the-people/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_of_the_European_Left
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_United_Left–Nordic_Green_Left
https://europeelects.eu/2019spitzenkandidaten/
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/elections-press-kit/2/lead-candidates
@britainelects
6h6 hours ago
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English & Welsh Westminster voting intention:
LAB: 41% (-1)
CON: 37% (-8)
LDEM: 10% (+2)
UKIP: 7% (+5)
GRN: 2% (-)
CHUK: 1% (+1)
via @Survation, 03 - 06 Apr
Chgs. w/ GE2017.