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  • John McD on Newsnight now.

    He permanently has the demeanour of a tradesman who's about to tell you that what you thought was a small job actually means rebuilding most of the house.
    :lol:

    It's not the parts guy, it's the Labour!
    Thread winner...new thread please...
  • rkrkrk said:

    Foxy said:

    As a change from Brexit Groundhog Day, and anyone with a pulse being better than Trump, tonights Oscar nominations look good.

    https://twitter.com/ThePopcornDiet/status/1087710869625028608?s=19

    How do they come up with these lists? I watched Roma with five people. Only two of us made it to the end, and we both said we regretted bothering.
    Bohemian Rhapsody was fantastic, but no way can it win in US oscars.
    Why not? Didn't it do well at the Golden Globes?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,503
    TOPPING said:

    rkrkrk said:

    kle4 said:

    Foxy said:

    As a change from Brexit Groundhog Day, and anyone with a pulse being better than Trump, tonights Oscar nominations look good.

    https://twitter.com/ThePopcornDiet/status/1087710869625028608?s=19

    I truly am surprised by Black Panther. It's not even the best of the Marvel movies, it's well acted but the plot is very 'meh'. Not sure what so many people see it in to be honest, there was a lot of talk of how it wasn't just another Marvel movie, but it really was.

    .
    Completely disagree. Really enjoyed black panther and thought it was far more interesting than other marvel movies. Showed a complexity of morality that superhero tales don't normally have.
    You would have to threaten me with a Hawaiian Pizza before I went to see The Favourite.
    Really? I rather enjoyed it, despite the odd ending.

    Rachel Weisz for Best Supporting Actress IMO. I think Glen Close will get Best Actress.

    Spike Lee for best Director too.
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    rcs1000 said:

    Books....who has books these days? I have more tvs than books in my house.

    What's a TV?

    I'm so sorry Robert. You had a deprived upbringing.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,454
    rkrkrk said:

    Foxy said:

    As a change from Brexit Groundhog Day, and anyone with a pulse being better than Trump, tonights Oscar nominations look good.

    https://twitter.com/ThePopcornDiet/status/1087710869625028608?s=19

    How do they come up with these lists?
    You should see some of the "contender" films that didn't make the list. Sheeesh....

    That said, I loved Leave No Trace, that got nothing by way of noms - but has a 100% rating on Rotten Tomoatoes, only behind Paddington 2 (also 100% but more reviews). One of those little movies that stays with you.
  • PlankPlank Posts: 71
    FPT

    I seem to remember a short time ago an article in the press claiming that even if TMay's deal was agreed we could not now leave by 29/03/2019 as we would need to pass several pieces of legislation first, and there would not be time to do so. If any other PBers also remember that article, and are betting on the exit by the 29th market, they may be interested in the interview with Robert Buckland MP (Solicitor General) on PM on BBC Radio 4. In it he says that, in fact, only one piece of legislation would need to be passed before Brexit if Tmay's deal was agreed.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,535

    John McD on Newsnight now.

    He permanently has the demeanour of a tradesman who's about to tell you that what you thought was a small job actually means rebuilding most of the house.
    :lol:

    It's not the parts guy, it's the Labour!
    Thread winner...new thread please...
    Thanks!
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,454

    Foxy said:

    As a change from Brexit Groundhog Day, and anyone with a pulse being better than Trump, tonights Oscar nominations look good.

    https://twitter.com/ThePopcornDiet/status/1087710869625028608?s=19

    Green Book is another of those "Civil Rights as entertainment" movies, along the lines of the enjoyable Hidden Figures. Enjoyable enough, when you get ove the casting of Strider as some Noo Yoik heavy (in all senses).

    BlackkKlansman I really enjoyed, as it is such a bizarre true story, despite some very obvious "This is a right-on Spike Lee movie" moments. It really packs its punch though in the last few minutes.

    Buster Scruggs is a series of half a dozen episodes, the first one of which is fabulous Cohn Bros. at their best. After that - not so much.

    Vice - people here will love it more than the general population, but much of the material has been done to death by Michael Moore. Combine with a very similar visual style to The Big Short (although, some much darker fast edit moments than in that movie) and it just doesn't seem as fresh. Some great performances though - loved Steve Carell as Rumsfeld and Sam Rockwell's Dubya is brilliant, but acting honours go to Christian Bale for ageing fifty years. Make-up and Hair Oscar nailed on.
    I loved every single bit of Buster Scruggs. The Tom Waits segment was a perfect gem of a story.
    Really? Even the wagon train one with the dog?
  • Scott_P said:
    He is meant to be impartial but then his record shows his remain credentials and now he is leaving Sky and joining the BBC he will have even more support from his employers
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,535

    kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:
    What a tremendous waste of time. Can any of these idiots say with a straight face that if they have not agreed up until now they will be able to come to an agreement on something in 3 months, 6 months or 9 months? It's such a 'clever' little idea to disguise its intent.
    I don't care, the way I feel at the moment, at least I will get my wife's meds in April.
    I doubt the EU would agree and there may even be legal challenges

    *Just realised that was thoughtless of me and of course your good lady's medicines top everything. I am sorry
    No worries Big_G!

    These are difficult times for us all, often torn between knowing what is right for the country and just wanting the whole bloody thing sorted now.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,294
    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    That link proves what I said - I didn’t know the link between the EMA and the EU. Not your contention.

    FPT

    Charles said:

    Jonathan said:

    Charles is wrong. A second referendum is a more democratic option than a parliamentary hack. This chaos was unforeseen. Remain is a viable route out, as such we shouldn’t rule it out.

    Charles famously thought the European Medicines Agency was nothing to do with the EU and that it would be unaffected by Brexit, so I think it's right for him to be given another vote.
    No. That’s not accurate but I will put it down to false recall on your part not a deliberate lie.

    I said that the sensible outcome would be for the U.K. to remain part of the EMA. (And I still believe that is the sensible outcome).

    However - which I didn’t realise - was that you have to be a member of the EU to be a member of the EMA. I think that’s a stupid rule, but if that’s a rule that’s important to them we’ll just have to beef up the MHRA instead.
    It's pretty accurate, but I will put your denial down to repressed memory syndrome.

    image

    https://politicalbetting.vanillacommunity.com/discussion/comment/1383244/#Comment_1383244
    My contention was that you didn't know the link between the EMA and the EU and "nothing to do with the EU" turns out to be a verbatim quote...

    You said "EUGMP = European GMP. Nothing to do with the EU" and "EUGMP is set by the EMA".
    Yes - that’s just a different way of phrasing what I said.

    It was the “unaffected by Brexit” comment I was objecting to

    In any event I made a mistake 2 years ago. SFW.
    Like so many of the Brexiters, it turns out you were spouting fake news.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,979
    Honestly the most fun I had at the cinema was Spiderman: Into the Spiderverse. Never really enjoyed a spiderman film before, but was in hysterics throughout, a thoroughly great time. I like the cheesier stuff like A Simple Favour, Crazy Rich Asians. Of the 'serious' movies I really liked A Star is Born.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,503
    Scott_P said:
    In the immortal words of Johnny Rotten:

    I don't know what I want,
    but I know how to get it,
    I want to destroy...
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,979
    Plank said:

    FPT

    I seem to remember a short time ago an article in the press claiming that even if TMay's deal was agreed we could not now leave by 29/03/2019 as we would need to pass several pieces of legislation first, and there would not be time to do so. If any other PBers also remember that article, and are betting on the exit by the 29th market, they may be interested in the interview with Robert Buckland MP (Solicitor General) on PM on BBC Radio 4. In it he says that, in fact, only one piece of legislation would need to be passed before Brexit if Tmay's deal was agreed.

    Interesting to hear. I had rather assumed at this point that even if it were agreed we'd ask for at least a delay until May to get everything through.
  • kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:
    What a tremendous waste of time. Can any of these idiots say with a straight face that if they have not agreed up until now they will be able to come to an agreement on something in 3 months, 6 months or 9 months? It's such a 'clever' little idea to disguise its intent.
    I don't care, the way I feel at the moment, at least I will get my wife's meds in April.
    I doubt the EU would agree and there may even be legal challenges

    *Just realised that was thoughtless of me and of course your good lady's medicines top everything. I am sorry
    No worries Big_G!

    These are difficult times for us all, often torn between knowing what is right for the country and just wanting the whole bloody thing sorted now.
    My good lady and myself both depend on medicines and it is a very important issue.

    And I so agree with your comments
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,436
    kle4 said:

    Plank said:

    FPT

    I seem to remember a short time ago an article in the press claiming that even if TMay's deal was agreed we could not now leave by 29/03/2019 as we would need to pass several pieces of legislation first, and there would not be time to do so. If any other PBers also remember that article, and are betting on the exit by the 29th market, they may be interested in the interview with Robert Buckland MP (Solicitor General) on PM on BBC Radio 4. In it he says that, in fact, only one piece of legislation would need to be passed before Brexit if Tmay's deal was agreed.

    Interesting to hear. I had rather assumed at this point that even if it were agreed we'd ask for at least a delay until May to get everything through.
    It's one of the interesting sub-plots at the moment. May will probably need an extension to get the legislation for her deal through even if MPs approve it in a repeat of the meaningful vote, but she can't admit that yet because if she opens the door to an extension, she will lose control and other options will come to the fore.
  • TOPPING said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Books....who has books these days? I have more tvs than books in my house.

    What's a TV?

    Who was it who said many moons ago that soon the only difference between your computer and your TV will be what room it's in.
    There is still a big difference between a high end monitor and a tv. I wouldn’t want to code on my tv (despite it being 4K etc).
    I coded on my TV back in the early 1980s (BBC Basic). Mind you it had the advantage of teletext fonts. (It was incredible how well a 32K OS worked on a 1MHz processor).
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,454
    Foxy said:

    TOPPING said:

    rkrkrk said:

    kle4 said:

    Foxy said:

    As a change from Brexit Groundhog Day, and anyone with a pulse being better than Trump, tonights Oscar nominations look good.

    https://twitter.com/ThePopcornDiet/status/1087710869625028608?s=19

    I truly am surprised by Black Panther. It's not even the best of the Marvel movies, it's well acted but the plot is very 'meh'. Not sure what so many people see it in to be honest, there was a lot of talk of how it wasn't just another Marvel movie, but it really was.

    .
    Completely disagree. Really enjoyed black panther and thought it was far more interesting than other marvel movies. Showed a complexity of morality that superhero tales don't normally have.
    You would have to threaten me with a Hawaiian Pizza before I went to see The Favourite.
    Really? I rather enjoyed it, despite the odd ending.

    Rachel Weisz for Best Supporting Actress IMO. I think Glen Close will get Best Actress.

    Spike Lee for best Director too.
    I watched The Wife tonight and agree. It's really a part to get your teeth into - and she really does.

    Best Supporting Actress is probably going to Regina King for If Beale Street Could Talk.

    Best Supporting Actor probably between Sam Rockwell in Vice and Mahershala Ali in Green Book (although, he is on screen almost as much as Viggo Mortensen). Mahershala Ali to edge it.

    Good to see Richard E. Grant getting a nod too in the very enjoyable Can You Ever Forgive Me? (a true story about a forger of collectable letters of the great and the good).
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,575
    Danny565 said:

    Christ, Kirsty Wark is a terrible interviewer.

    Yes. Not impressed.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,535

    rcs1000 said:

    Books....who has books these days? I have more tvs than books in my house.

    What's a TV?

    I'm so sorry Robert. You had a deprived upbringing.
    There's a whole new thread here :smiley:
  • _Anazina__Anazina_ Posts: 1,810
    On topic, Trumpton trailing to all-comers.

    We can but dream!
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,645

    Pulpstar said:

    Scott_P said:

    Books....who has books these days?

    I have loads.

    I can burn them when Brexit hits...
    I genuinely have bugger all books. Piles of academic papers, yes, books, i read / listen to them iPad and kindle.
    Can you play TikTok videos on one of these 'books' ?
    I am more likely to join maomentum than download the tiktok app.
    You wouldn't get in Comrade.

    Guido lovers are not welcome
  • TOPPING said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Books....who has books these days? I have more tvs than books in my house.

    What's a TV?

    Who was it who said many moons ago that soon the only difference between your computer and your TV will be what room it's in.
    There is still a big difference between a high end monitor and a tv. I wouldn’t want to code on my tv (despite it being 4K etc).
    I coded on my TV back in the early 1980s (BBC Basic). Mind you it had the advantage of teletext fonts. (It was incredible how well a 32K OS worked on a 1MHz processor).
    Dunno if it's classed as coding, but I well remember spending a weekend inputting commands into a ZX Spectrum that made a crappy, blocky looking spider drop down a web and scuttle offstage right. Put me off computing for life. Made me the man I am today, unfortunately!
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,575
    TOPPING said:

    rkrkrk said:

    kle4 said:

    Foxy said:

    As a change from Brexit Groundhog Day, and anyone with a pulse being better than Trump, tonights Oscar nominations look good.

    https://twitter.com/ThePopcornDiet/status/1087710869625028608?s=19

    I truly am surprised by Black Panther. It's not even the best of the Marvel movies, it's well acted but the plot is very 'meh'. Not sure what so many people see it in to be honest, there was a lot of talk of how it wasn't just another Marvel movie, but it really was.

    .
    Completely disagree. Really enjoyed black panther and thought it was far more interesting than other marvel movies. Showed a complexity of morality that superhero tales don't normally have.
    You would have to threaten me with a Hawaiian Pizza before I went to see The Favourite.
    I'm going to see it tomorrow. There's a scene where Olivia Colman put a wet sponge between her legs and freaked out Emma Stone in real life.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,645

    Foxy said:

    TOPPING said:

    rkrkrk said:

    kle4 said:

    Foxy said:

    As a change from Brexit Groundhog Day, and anyone with a pulse being better than Trump, tonights Oscar nominations look good.

    https://twitter.com/ThePopcornDiet/status/1087710869625028608?s=19

    I truly am surprised by Black Panther. It's not even the best of the Marvel movies, it's well acted but the plot is very 'meh'. Not sure what so many people see it in to be honest, there was a lot of talk of how it wasn't just another Marvel movie, but it really was.

    .
    Completely disagree. Really enjoyed black panther and thought it was far more interesting than other marvel movies. Showed a complexity of morality that superhero tales don't normally have.
    You would have to threaten me with a Hawaiian Pizza before I went to see The Favourite.
    Really? I rather enjoyed it, despite the odd ending.

    Rachel Weisz for Best Supporting Actress IMO. I think Glen Close will get Best Actress.

    Spike Lee for best Director too.
    I watched The Wife tonight and agree. It's really a part to get your teeth into - and she really does.

    Best Supporting Actress is probably going to Regina King for If Beale Street Could Talk.

    Best Supporting Actor probably between Sam Rockwell in Vice and Mahershala Ali in Green Book (although, he is on screen almost as much as Viggo Mortensen). Mahershala Ali to edge it.

    Good to see Richard E. Grant getting a nod too in the very enjoyable Can You Ever Forgive Me? (a true story about a forger of collectable letters of the great and the good).
    I watched the wife tonight. She was sat by the TV
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,535
    Night all.
  • dotsdots Posts: 615

    Foxy said:

    TOPPING said:

    rkrkrk said:

    kle4 said:

    Foxy said:

    As a change from Brexit Groundhog Day, and anyone with a pulse being better than Trump, tonights Oscar nominations look good.

    https://twitter.com/ThePopcornDiet/status/1087710869625028608?s=19

    I truly am surprised by Black Panther. It's not even the best of the Marvel movies, it's well acted but the plot is very 'meh'. Not sure what so many people see it in to be honest, there was a lot of talk of how it wasn't just another Marvel movie, but it really was.

    .
    Completely disagree. Really enjoyed black panther and thought it was far more interesting than other marvel movies. Showed a complexity of morality that superhero tales don't normally have.
    You would have to threaten me with a Hawaiian Pizza before I went to see The Favourite.
    Really? I rather enjoyed it, despite the odd ending.

    Rachel Weisz for Best Supporting Actress IMO. I think Glen Close will get Best Actress.

    Spike Lee for best Director too.
    I watched The Wife tonight and agree. It's really a part to get your teeth into - and she really does.

    Best Supporting Actress is probably going to Regina King for If Beale Street Could Talk.

    Best Supporting Actor probably between Sam Rockwell in Vice and Mahershala Ali in Green Book (although, he is on screen almost as much as Viggo Mortensen). Mahershala Ali to edge it.

    Good to see Richard E. Grant getting a nod too in the very enjoyable Can You Ever Forgive Me? (a true story about a forger of collectable letters of the great and the good).
    Nothing for dots favourite film of past year The Square 😕

    Could Roma, Buster Scruggs, Favourite be on there to ‘encourage the market’? Do you know what I mean? Imagine it were energy suppliers and there were new kids on the block, and powers that be like to encourage competition.

    Best original song looks competitive this year, could that be where betting value is?
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    Pulpstar said:

    Scott_P said:

    Books....who has books these days?

    I have loads.

    I can burn them when Brexit hits...
    I genuinely have bugger all books. Piles of academic papers, yes, books, i read / listen to them iPad and kindle.
    Can you play TikTok videos on one of these 'books' ?
    I am more likely to join maomentum than download the tiktok app.
    You wouldn't get in Comrade.

    Guido lovers are not welcome
    Misogynist haters only eh Big John
  • _Anazina__Anazina_ Posts: 1,810

    Scott_P said:

    Books....who has books these days?

    I have loads.

    I can burn them when Brexit hits...
    I genuinely have bugger all books. Piles of academic papers, yes, books, i read / listen to them iPad and kindle.
    I don't like you any more. In fact that is worse than saying you have switched to Remain. You 're an evil man.

    For the record I have something over 8,000 books in my house. I aim to read at least 150 a year.
    I have never got the Kindle thing. It makes a decent stab at paper and ink, but it’s still yet another bloody device. On the all too rare times I actually drop the electronics and spend a few hours in a book, I feel unshackled. The interesting thing is that all these technologies haven’t done much to damage the book market - it’s in rude health.
  • BudGBudG Posts: 711
    Plank said:

    FPT

    I seem to remember a short time ago an article in the press claiming that even if TMay's deal was agreed we could not now leave by 29/03/2019 as we would need to pass several pieces of legislation first, and there would not be time to do so. If any other PBers also remember that article, and are betting on the exit by the 29th market, they may be interested in the interview with Robert Buckland MP (Solicitor General) on PM on BBC Radio 4. In it he says that, in fact, only one piece of legislation would need to be passed before Brexit if Tmay's deal was agreed.

    I think you might have got the wrong end of the stick. It is an extension that he talks about just needing a one-off vote in the commons.

    "PARLIAMENT would only need to hold a simple vote to put off the date of Brexit, the Government’s legal adviser has said.
    Britain is due to leave the EU on March 29 next year – but it is believed this would have to be delayed if there is a decision to hold a second referendum.
    To do this, the UK would have to extend Article 50, the official mechanism for leaving the EU. But Solicitor General Robert Buckland said extension would not require fresh legislation, just a one- off vote in the Commons.

    It would, however, need to be agreed by all EU member states.
    But scrapping Article 50 altogether would require new legislation, Mr Buckland told Radio 4’s Westminster Hour.
    He said: ‘Revocation is one thing, but delaying Article 50 is another matter that can be done by a minister laying a statutory instrument to vary exit day – it’s there as part of a power.’ "

    https://www.pressreader.com/uk/daily-mail/20181218/281526522155351

  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Scott_P said:
    Jezzbollah has his principles.


    He only talks to friends

    Hamas, Hezbollah the IRA .... those sort of friends

    With friends one should never be so crass as to insist on preconditions..... with hated class enemies .... well a different story indeed
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,114
    _Anazina_ said:

    Scott_P said:

    Books....who has books these days?

    I have loads.

    I can burn them when Brexit hits...
    I genuinely have bugger all books. Piles of academic papers, yes, books, i read / listen to them iPad and kindle.
    I don't like you any more. In fact that is worse than saying you have switched to Remain. You 're an evil man.

    For the record I have something over 8,000 books in my house. I aim to read at least 150 a year.
    I have never got the Kindle thing. It makes a decent stab at paper and ink, but it’s still yet another bloody device. On the all too rare times I actually drop the electronics and spend a few hours in a book, I feel unshackled. The interesting thing is that all these technologies haven’t done much to damage the book market - it’s in rude health.
    Good news for us booksellers!
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    John McD on Newsnight now.

    He permanently has the demeanour of a tradesman who's about to tell you that what you thought was a small job actually means rebuilding most of the house.
    and if you argue with him he will break your kneecaps
  • dotsdots Posts: 615
    Foxy said:

    Scott_P said:
    In the immortal words of Johnny Rotten:

    I don't know what I want,
    but I know how to get it,
    I want to destroy...

    A pale sun poked impudent marmalade fingers through the grizzled lattice glass, and sent the shadows scurrying, like convent girls menaced by a tramp.

    I don't know what I want, Miss Havishambling but I want it NOW!
  • _Anazina__Anazina_ Posts: 1,810
    I
    Mortimer said:

    _Anazina_ said:

    Scott_P said:

    Books....who has books these days?

    I have loads.

    I can burn them when Brexit hits...
    I genuinely have bugger all books. Piles of academic papers, yes, books, i read / listen to them iPad and kindle.
    I don't like you any more. In fact that is worse than saying you have switched to Remain. You 're an evil man.

    For the record I have something over 8,000 books in my house. I aim to read at least 150 a year.
    I have never got the Kindle thing. It makes a decent stab at paper and ink, but it’s still yet another bloody device. On the all too rare times I actually drop the electronics and spend a few hours in a book, I feel unshackled. The interesting thing is that all these technologies haven’t done much to damage the book market - it’s in rude health.
    Good news for us booksellers!
    Indeed so, and good luck to you! I’m not a collector of books, although I do own a (worthless) paperback of The French Lieutenant’s Woman that, I discovered the other day, contained a handwritten message from a wronged lover to her beau.
  • PlankPlank Posts: 71
    BudG said:

    Plank said:

    FPT

    I seem to remember a short time ago an article in the press claiming that even if TMay's deal was agreed we could not now leave by 29/03/2019 as we would need to pass several pieces of legislation first, and there would not be time to do so. If any other PBers also remember that article, and are betting on the exit by the 29th market, they may be interested in the interview with Robert Buckland MP (Solicitor General) on PM on BBC Radio 4. In it he says that, in fact, only one piece of legislation would need to be passed before Brexit if Tmay's deal was agreed.

    I think you might have got the wrong end of the stick. It is an extension that he talks about just needing a one-off vote in the commons.

    "PARLIAMENT would only need to hold a simple vote to put off the date of Brexit, the Government’s legal adviser has said.
    Britain is due to leave the EU on March 29 next year – but it is believed this would have to be delayed if there is a decision to hold a second referendum.
    To do this, the UK would have to extend Article 50, the official mechanism for leaving the EU. But Solicitor General Robert Buckland said extension would not require fresh legislation, just a one- off vote in the Commons.

    It would, however, need to be agreed by all EU member states.
    But scrapping Article 50 altogether would require new legislation, Mr Buckland told Radio 4’s Westminster Hour.
    He said: ‘Revocation is one thing, but delaying Article 50 is another matter that can be done by a minister laying a statutory instrument to vary exit day – it’s there as part of a power.’ "

    https://www.pressreader.com/uk/daily-mail/20181218/281526522155351

    ?

    The interview I was talking about was on the "PM" program broadcast 22/01/2019. The article you quoted was talking about a "The Westminster Hour" program broadcast in 2018.
  • StereotomyStereotomy Posts: 4,092
    _Anazina_ said:

    Scott_P said:

    Books....who has books these days?

    I have loads.

    I can burn them when Brexit hits...
    I genuinely have bugger all books. Piles of academic papers, yes, books, i read / listen to them iPad and kindle.
    I don't like you any more. In fact that is worse than saying you have switched to Remain. You 're an evil man.

    For the record I have something over 8,000 books in my house. I aim to read at least 150 a year.
    I have never got the Kindle thing. It makes a decent stab at paper and ink, but it’s still yet another bloody device. On the all too rare times I actually drop the electronics and spend a few hours in a book, I feel unshackled. The interesting thing is that all these technologies haven’t done much to damage the book market - it’s in rude health.
    You can place a kindle down on the table while eating lunch and read without occupying either hand. That alone makes it a hell of a lot more convenient. Other benefits: it's a great space-saver (especially for a situation where you want access to multiple books- e.g. when going on holiday), you can instantly get a definition for any word, and e-books are cheaper.
  • BudGBudG Posts: 711
    Plank said:

    BudG said:

    Plank said:

    FPT

    I seem to remember a short time ago an article in the press claiming that even if TMay's deal was agreed we could not now leave by 29/03/2019 as we would need to pass several pieces of legislation first, and there would not be time to do so. If any other PBers also remember that article, and are betting on the exit by the 29th market, they may be interested in the interview with Robert Buckland MP (Solicitor General) on PM on BBC Radio 4. In it he says that, in fact, only one piece of legislation would need to be passed before Brexit if Tmay's deal was agreed.

    I think you might have got the wrong end of the stick. It is an extension that he talks about just needing a one-off vote in the commons.

    "PARLIAMENT would only need to hold a simple vote to put off the date of Brexit, the Government’s legal adviser has said.
    Britain is due to leave the EU on March 29 next year – but it is believed this would have to be delayed if there is a decision to hold a second referendum.
    To do this, the UK would have to extend Article 50, the official mechanism for leaving the EU. But Solicitor General Robert Buckland said extension would not require fresh legislation, just a one- off vote in the Commons.

    It would, however, need to be agreed by all EU member states.
    But scrapping Article 50 altogether would require new legislation, Mr Buckland told Radio 4’s Westminster Hour.
    He said: ‘Revocation is one thing, but delaying Article 50 is another matter that can be done by a minister laying a statutory instrument to vary exit day – it’s there as part of a power.’ "

    https://www.pressreader.com/uk/daily-mail/20181218/281526522155351

    ?

    The interview I was talking about was on the "PM" program broadcast 22/01/2019. The article you quoted was talking about a "The Westminster Hour" program broadcast in 2018.
    Ahh.. apologies. Is it available online do you know?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,979

    _Anazina_ said:

    Scott_P said:

    Books....who has books these days?

    I have loads.

    I can burn them when Brexit hits...
    I genuinely have bugger all books. Piles of academic papers, yes, books, i read / listen to them iPad and kindle.
    I don't like you any more. In fact that is worse than saying you have switched to Remain. You 're an evil man.

    For the record I have something over 8,000 books in my house. I aim to read at least 150 a year.
    I have never got the Kindle thing. It makes a decent stab at paper and ink, but it’s still yet another bloody device. On the all too rare times I actually drop the electronics and spend a few hours in a book, I feel unshackled. The interesting thing is that all these technologies haven’t done much to damage the book market - it’s in rude health.
    You can place a kindle down on the table while eating lunch and read without occupying either hand. That alone makes it a hell of a lot more convenient. Other benefits: it's a great space-saver (especially for a situation where you want access to multiple books- e.g. when going on holiday), you can instantly get a definition for any word, and e-books are cheaper.
    Yes, it certainly has its uses. I still like to get physical copies of books I really enjoy though, and of course complete the collection of series' of books. There's something very pleasing about several shelves of nothing but Pratchett.
  • dotsdots Posts: 615
    kle4 said:

    Foxy said:

    As a change from Brexit Groundhog Day, and anyone with a pulse being better than Trump, tonights Oscar nominations look good.

    https://twitter.com/ThePopcornDiet/status/1087710869625028608?s=19

    Green Book is another of those "Civil Rights as entertainment" movies, along the lines of the enjoyable Hidden Figures. Enjoyable enough, when you get ove the casting of Strider as some Noo Yoik heavy (in all senses).

    BlackkKlansman I really enjoyed, as it is such a bizarre true story, despite some very obvious "This is a right-on Spike Lee movie" moments. It really packs its punch though in the last few minutes.

    Buster Scruggs is a series of half a dozen episodes, the first one of which is fabulous Cohn Bros. at their best. After that - not so much.

    Vice - people here will love it more than the general population, but much of the material has been done to death by Michael Moore. Combine with a very similar visual style to The Big Short (although, some much darker fast edit moments than in that movie) and it just doesn't seem as fresh. Some great performances though - loved Steve Carell as Rumsfeld and Sam Rockwell's Dubya is brilliant, but acting honours go to Christian Bale for ageing fifty years. Make-up and Hair Oscar nailed on.
    I loved every single bit of Buster Scruggs. The Tom Waits segment was a perfect gem of a story.
    That's the only one on that list I have not even heard of. When did it come out?
    I understand it’s Netflix but must have had some kind of theatre release to be allowed on the list, unless rules changed since The Last Seduction.
  • Scott_P said:
    He is meant to be impartial but then his record shows his remain credentials and now he is leaving Sky and joining the BBC he will have even more support from his employers
    And of course research has shown that some supporters of a second referendum think it will be between May's Deal and WTO Deal. Any second referendum poll has to be clear about the question which will be asked but some arn't clear.
  • PlankPlank Posts: 71
    BudG said:

    Plank said:

    BudG said:

    Plank said:

    FPT

    I seem to remember a short time ago an article in the press claiming that even if TMay's deal was agreed we could not now leave by 29/03/2019 as we would need to pass several pieces of legislation first, and there would not be time to do so. If any other PBers also remember that article, and are betting on the exit by the 29th market, they may be interested in the interview with Robert Buckland MP (Solicitor General) on PM on BBC Radio 4. In it he says that, in fact, only one piece of legislation would need to be passed before Brexit if Tmay's deal was agreed.

    I think you might have got the wrong end of the stick. It is an extension that he talks about just needing a one-off vote in the commons.

    "PARLIAMENT would only need to hold a simple vote to put off the date of Brexit, the Government’s legal adviser has said.
    Britain is due to leave the EU on March 29 next year – but it is believed this would have to be delayed if there is a decision to hold a second referendum.
    To do this, the UK would have to extend Article 50, the official mechanism for leaving the EU. But Solicitor General Robert Buckland said extension would not require fresh legislation, just a one- off vote in the Commons.

    It would, however, need to be agreed by all EU member states.
    But scrapping Article 50 altogether would require new legislation, Mr Buckland told Radio 4’s Westminster Hour.
    He said: ‘Revocation is one thing, but delaying Article 50 is another matter that can be done by a minister laying a statutory instrument to vary exit day – it’s there as part of a power.’ "

    https://www.pressreader.com/uk/daily-mail/20181218/281526522155351

    ?

    The interview I was talking about was on the "PM" program broadcast 22/01/2019. The article you quoted was talking about a "The Westminster Hour" program broadcast in 2018.
    Ahh.. apologies. Is it available online do you know?
    It might not be available outside the UK.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000256l

    The preamble to the interview starts about 18 mins in.
  • _Anazina__Anazina_ Posts: 1,810

    _Anazina_ said:

    Scott_P said:

    Books....who has books these days?

    I have loads.

    I can burn them when Brexit hits...
    I genuinely have bugger all books. Piles of academic papers, yes, books, i read / listen to them iPad and kindle.
    I don't like you any more. In fact that is worse than saying you have switched to Remain. You 're an evil man.

    For the record I have something over 8,000 books in my house. I aim to read at least 150 a year.
    I have never got the Kindle thing. It makes a decent stab at paper and ink, but it’s still yet another bloody device. On the all too rare times I actually drop the electronics and spend a few hours in a book, I feel unshackled. The interesting thing is that all these technologies haven’t done much to damage the book market - it’s in rude health.
    You can place a kindle down on the table while eating lunch and read without occupying either hand. That alone makes it a hell of a lot more convenient. Other benefits: it's a great space-saver (especially for a situation where you want access to multiple books- e.g. when going on holiday), you can instantly get a definition for any word, and e-books are cheaper.
    Yep.

    But.

    It’s still another bloody device.
  • BudGBudG Posts: 711
    Plank said:

    BudG said:

    Plank said:

    BudG said:

    Plank said:

    FPT

    I seem to remember a short time ago an article in the press claiming that even if TMay's deal was agreed we could not now leave by 29/03/2019 as we would need to pass several pieces of legislation first, and there would not be time to do so. If any other PBers also remember that article, and are betting on the exit by the 29th market, they may be interested in the interview with Robert Buckland MP (Solicitor General) on PM on BBC Radio 4. In it he says that, in fact, only one piece of legislation would need to be passed before Brexit if Tmay's deal was agreed.

    I think you might have got the wrong end of the stick. It is an extension that he talks about just needing a one-off vote in the commons.

    "PARLIAMENT would only need to hold a simple vote to put off the date of Brexit, the Government’s legal adviser has said.
    Britain is due to leave the EU on March 29 next year – but it is believed this would have to be delayed if there is a decision to hold a second referendum.
    To do this, the UK would have to extend Article 50, the official mechanism for leaving the EU. But Solicitor General Robert Buckland said extension would not require fresh legislation, just a one- off vote in the Commons.

    It would, however, need to be agreed by all EU member states.
    But scrapping Article 50 altogether would require new legislation, Mr Buckland told Radio 4’s Westminster Hour.
    He said: ‘Revocation is one thing, but delaying Article 50 is another matter that can be done by a minister laying a statutory instrument to vary exit day – it’s there as part of a power.’ "

    https://www.pressreader.com/uk/daily-mail/20181218/281526522155351

    ?

    The interview I was talking about was on the "PM" program broadcast 22/01/2019. The article you quoted was talking about a "The Westminster Hour" program broadcast in 2018.
    Ahh.. apologies. Is it available online do you know?
    It might not be available outside the UK.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000256l

    The preamble to the interview starts about 18 mins in.
    Thank you very much.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,575
    Both Biden and Sanders have appeal to bluecollar voters in the rustbelt the Democrats will need if they are to win back the Midwest swing states and win the EC.

    Point also to note, the only candidate to beat an incumbent president after only 1 term of his party in the White House since WW2, Ronald Reagan, was 69 when he beat President Carter in 1980
  • TheJezziahTheJezziah Posts: 3,840
    Floater said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Scott_P said:

    Books....who has books these days?

    I have loads.

    I can burn them when Brexit hits...
    I genuinely have bugger all books. Piles of academic papers, yes, books, i read / listen to them iPad and kindle.
    Can you play TikTok videos on one of these 'books' ?
    I am more likely to join maomentum than download the tiktok app.
    You wouldn't get in Comrade.

    Guido lovers are not welcome
    Misogynist haters only eh Big John
    TBH hating misogynists like Guido isn't actually a requirement but it probably helps...
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,517
    HYUFD said:

    Both Biden and Sanders have appeal to bluecollar voters in the rustbelt the Democrats will need if they are to win back the Midwest swing states and win the EC.

    Point also to note, the only candidate to beat an incumbent president after only 1 term of his party in the White House since WW2, Ronald Reagan, was 69 when he beat President Carter in 1980

    Paradoxically, I think older people (like Mike and me) tend to underestimate the potential of older candidates, as we grew up in times when elderly candidates were quite rare (Reagan being an exception) and the fashion was all for dynamic young sparks. Nowadays older people are more healthy and vigorous than they used to be, and add an element of reassurance.

    Specifically on Sanders, I'll be surprised if he doesn't run. What's he got to lose? - if it doesn't go wonderfully, he can endorse someone else then, and in the meantime he'll pull all the candidates leftwards.
  • PlankPlank Posts: 71
    Good night folks.
  • TheJezziahTheJezziah Posts: 3,840
    Floater said:

    Scott_P said:
    Jezzbollah has his principles.


    He only talks to friends

    Hamas, Hezbollah the IRA .... those sort of friends

    With friends one should never be so crass as to insist on preconditions..... with hated class enemies .... well a different story indeed
    Well at least that explains the Tories with the likes of Orban, Netanyahu and MBS...
  • Interesting analysis by LauraK: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46966254

    I've been saying for months here the only sensible solution where all parties win is to get the deal agreed without the backstop. Hopefully this morning's insistence by the EU that no deal = hard border in Ireland will be the wake-up call needed in Ireland to get Varadkar back to the table and ultimately solve this dilemma once and for all.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,575
    edited January 2019

    HYUFD said:

    Both Biden and Sanders have appeal to bluecollar voters in the rustbelt the Democrats will need if they are to win back the Midwest swing states and win the EC.

    Point also to note, the only candidate to beat an incumbent president after only 1 term of his party in the White House since WW2, Ronald Reagan, was 69 when he beat President Carter in 1980

    Paradoxically, I think older people (like Mike and me) tend to underestimate the potential of older candidates, as we grew up in times when elderly candidates were quite rare (Reagan being an exception) and the fashion was all for dynamic young sparks. Nowadays older people are more healthy and vigorous than they used to be, and add an element of reassurance.

    Specifically on Sanders, I'll be surprised if he doesn't run. What's he got to lose? - if it doesn't go wonderfully, he can endorse someone else then, and in the meantime he'll pull all the candidates leftwards.
    I agree, if you are going to beat an incumbent President, particularly one whose party has not been in that long, having someone with stature and experience is not necessarily a bad thing. Plus I agree, Sanders will run and aim to ensure his agenda remains centre stage in the Democratic Party. Reagan too of course was the runner up in the 1976 GOP primaries
  • Floater said:

    Scott_P said:
    Jezzbollah has his principles.


    He only talks to friends

    Hamas, Hezbollah the IRA .... those sort of friends

    With friends one should never be so crass as to insist on preconditions..... with hated class enemies .... well a different story indeed
    Well at least that explains the Tories with the likes of Orban, Netanyahu and MBS...
    Tories speak to everyone, we're even prepared to speak to Jezbollah, but left wanting for that it seems.
  • dotsdots Posts: 615

    Scott_P said:
    He is meant to be impartial but then his record shows his remain credentials and now he is leaving Sky and joining the BBC he will have even more support from his employers
    And of course research has shown that some supporters of a second referendum think it will be between May's Deal and WTO Deal. Any second referendum poll has to be clear about the question which will be asked but some arn't clear.
    I absolutely agree with you David.

    I have a theory “dots theory” that the first wasn’t clear, leave deliberately stitched up.

    Remain part was very clear. But leave has come to mean an encyclopaedia of things. Correct me where I am wrong, hours after leave won Cameron is in Europe asking for a leave as close as possible to remain.

    If there is another vote, to be fair to leave voters stitched up last time, the leave option has to be indisputable what it is, a very clear destination. For example

    Remain, on current terms
    Leave to a Free Trade Arrangement (similar to Canada’s FTA with EU)

    The irony imo is leavers dying in a ditch to avoid another vote. Newspaper headlines like “no second vote, they are trying to steal your brexit”. But the deed may well have been done with the first vote!

    Anyone else coming round to this theory? If you join me you are joining the dots.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708


    Specifically on Sanders, I'll be surprised if he doesn't run. What's he got to lose? - if it doesn't go wonderfully, he can endorse someone else then, and in the meantime he'll pull all the candidates leftwards.

    Downsides would be:

    1) If his performance is embarrassingly flat, as it probably would be, he loses stature; Currently he can act like he speaks for the whole of the left, but if he shows up in Iowa and his vote goes from 49.5% to 15%, he looks like a has-been.

    2) Because the field is so crowded, it's the early races where endorsements really matter. If he wants Candidate X to win, it's much better to stump for Candidate X in Iowa and have them come out with a healthy score there, rather than splitting their vote so the left goes from 1st or 2nd to say 4th and 5th, then endorsing them only after he's proved he doesn't matter any more.
  • dotsdots Posts: 615

    HYUFD said:

    Both Biden and Sanders have appeal to bluecollar voters in the rustbelt the Democrats will need if they are to win back the Midwest swing states and win the EC.

    Point also to note, the only candidate to beat an incumbent president after only 1 term of his party in the White House since WW2, Ronald Reagan, was 69 when he beat President Carter in 1980

    Paradoxically, I think older people (like Mike and me) tend to underestimate the potential of older candidates, as we grew up in times when elderly candidates were quite rare (Reagan being an exception) and the fashion was all for dynamic young sparks. Nowadays older people are more healthy and vigorous than they used to be, and add an element of reassurance.

    Specifically on Sanders, I'll be surprised if he doesn't run. What's he got to lose? - if it doesn't go wonderfully, he can endorse someone else then, and in the meantime he'll pull all the candidates leftwards.
    A culture thing in each different country? When I was younger it seemed you needed to be 92 in Israel just to make it on the ballot.
  • dotsdots Posts: 615

    Interesting analysis by LauraK: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46966254

    I've been saying for months here the only sensible solution where all parties win is to get the deal agreed without the backstop. Hopefully this morning's insistence by the EU that no deal = hard border in Ireland will be the wake-up call needed in Ireland to get Varadkar back to the table and ultimately solve this dilemma once and for all.

    May cancelled her trip to Dublin when ERG were trying to oust her. She really does need to spend a day over there?
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034

    he's known, trusted and loved.

    So are grandparents and drunken uncles. Biden will not factor in 2020
  • TheJezziahTheJezziah Posts: 3,840

    Floater said:

    Scott_P said:
    Jezzbollah has his principles.


    He only talks to friends

    Hamas, Hezbollah the IRA .... those sort of friends

    With friends one should never be so crass as to insist on preconditions..... with hated class enemies .... well a different story indeed
    Well at least that explains the Tories with the likes of Orban, Netanyahu and MBS...
    Tories speak to everyone, we're even prepared to speak to Jezbollah, but left wanting for that it seems.
    What was thought would happen is exactly what did happen. There was no point as evidenced by those who did go. May wasn't planning on doing anything.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    edited January 2019

    Floater said:

    Scott_P said:
    Jezzbollah has his principles.


    He only talks to friends

    Hamas, Hezbollah the IRA .... those sort of friends

    With friends one should never be so crass as to insist on preconditions..... with hated class enemies .... well a different story indeed
    Well at least that explains the Tories with the likes of Orban, Netanyahu and MBS...
    Tories speak to everyone, we're even prepared to speak to Jezbollah, but left wanting for that it seems.
    What was thought would happen is exactly what did happen. There was no point as evidenced by those who did go. May wasn't planning on doing anything.
    That's garbage. Those who did go were unable to provide an alternative and lack the MPs to reach a majority anyway, so May's only option (as it should be her priority) is to bring her own party back on board.

    But had Jezbollah gone and had he been able to provide a plausible alternative and say "we will back the deal with this change" then he might have been able to extract said change. If Labour put a three line whip on backing rather than opposing the deal that would be sufficient to win a majority and they could have claimed credit as the ones who put the national interest first. No deal could have been taken off the table and we could move on.

    But that doesn't suit Jezbollah now does it?
  • Foxy said:

    As a change from Brexit Groundhog Day, and anyone with a pulse being better than Trump, tonights Oscar nominations look good.

    https://twitter.com/ThePopcornDiet/status/1087710869625028608?s=19

    Green Book is another of those "Civil Rights as entertainment" movies, along the lines of the enjoyable Hidden Figures. Enjoyable enough, when you get ove the casting of Strider as some Noo Yoik heavy (in all senses).

    BlackkKlansman I really enjoyed, as it is such a bizarre true story, despite some very obvious "This is a right-on Spike Lee movie" moments. It really packs its punch though in the last few minutes.

    Buster Scruggs is a series of half a dozen episodes, the first one of which is fabulous Cohn Bros. at their best. After that - not so much.

    Vice - people here will love it more than the general population, but much of the material has been done to death by Michael Moore. Combine with a very similar visual style to The Big Short (although, some much darker fast edit moments than in that movie) and it just doesn't seem as fresh. Some great performances though - loved Steve Carell as Rumsfeld and Sam Rockwell's Dubya is brilliant, but acting honours go to Christian Bale for ageing fifty years. Make-up and Hair Oscar nailed on.
    I loved every single bit of Buster Scruggs. The Tom Waits segment was a perfect gem of a story.
    Really? Even the wagon train one with the dog?
    Yep it was great in that bitter sweet way you so rarely see in films these days.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    Floater said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Scott_P said:

    Books....who has books these days?

    I have loads.

    I can burn them when Brexit hits...
    I genuinely have bugger all books. Piles of academic papers, yes, books, i read / listen to them iPad and kindle.
    Can you play TikTok videos on one of these 'books' ?
    I am more likely to join maomentum than download the tiktok app.
    You wouldn't get in Comrade.

    Guido lovers are not welcome
    Misogynist haters only eh Big John
    TBH hating misogynists like Guido isn't actually a requirement but it probably helps...
    I don't recall guido posting anything misogonystic, but momentum supporters on other hand.....


    What did happen to that gentler kinder politics?

  • Scott_P said:
    In 2017 over 80% of voters chose candidates standing for parties who supported Brexit. Faisal Islam is just plain wrong - not surprising given how biased he is. Easily the worst political correspondent on our TVs.
  • TheJezziahTheJezziah Posts: 3,840

    Floater said:

    Scott_P said:
    Jezzbollah has his principles.


    He only talks to friends

    Hamas, Hezbollah the IRA .... those sort of friends

    With friends one should never be so crass as to insist on preconditions..... with hated class enemies .... well a different story indeed
    Well at least that explains the Tories with the likes of Orban, Netanyahu and MBS...
    Tories speak to everyone, we're even prepared to speak to Jezbollah, but left wanting for that it seems.
    What was thought would happen is exactly what did happen. There was no point as evidenced by those who did go. May wasn't planning on doing anything.
    That's garbage. Those who did go were unable to provide an alternative and lack the MPs to reach a majority anyway, so May's only option (as it should be her priority) is to bring her own party back on board.

    But had Jezbollah gone and had he been able to provide a plausible alternative and say "we will back the deal with this change" then he might have been able to extract said change. If Labour put a three line whip on backing rather than opposing the deal that would be sufficient to win a majority and they could have claimed credit as the ones who put the national interest first. No deal could have been taken off the table and we could move on.

    But that doesn't suit Jezbollah now does it?
    Yeah everyone she met with was talking garbage May is sooo open to discussing things with people and taking their ideas on board, what the hell was I thinking.

    You don't like Jezza I get it but talking to a brick wall would have achieved much the same affect TBH, probably less irritating.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,436

    Scott_P said:
    In 2017 over 80% of voters chose candidates standing for parties who supported Brexit. Faisal Islam is just plain wrong - not surprising given how biased he is. Easily the worst political correspondent on our TVs.
    The Labour manifesto didn't "support" Brexit. It rejected May's approach, rejected 'no deal' and called to retain the benefits of the customs union and single market.
  • TheJezziahTheJezziah Posts: 3,840
    edited January 2019
    Floater said:

    Floater said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Scott_P said:

    Books....who has books these days?

    I have loads.

    I can burn them when Brexit hits...
    I genuinely have bugger all books. Piles of academic papers, yes, books, i read / listen to them iPad and kindle.
    Can you play TikTok videos on one of these 'books' ?
    I am more likely to join maomentum than download the tiktok app.
    You wouldn't get in Comrade.

    Guido lovers are not welcome
    Misogynist haters only eh Big John
    TBH hating misogynists like Guido isn't actually a requirement but it probably helps...
    I don't recall guido posting anything misogonystic, but momentum supporters on other hand.....


    What did happen to that gentler kinder politics?

    I'm sure there are a great many things you do and don't recall that depend entirely on who your political opponents are. Momentum probably has similar number of woman members to the Conservative party (but less men, a closer to equal ratio) and a tiny fraction of the misogyny of those like Guido. I don't think you really care about that at all though momentum left wing = baddies and Guido right wing = goodies is probably about as advanced as the thinking gets.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,575


    Specifically on Sanders, I'll be surprised if he doesn't run. What's he got to lose? - if it doesn't go wonderfully, he can endorse someone else then, and in the meantime he'll pull all the candidates leftwards.

    Downsides would be:

    1) If his performance is embarrassingly flat, as it probably would be, he loses stature; Currently he can act like he speaks for the whole of the left, but if he shows up in Iowa and his vote goes from 49.5% to 15%, he looks like a has-been.

    2) Because the field is so crowded, it's the early races where endorsements really matter. If he wants Candidate X to win, it's much better to stump for Candidate X in Iowa and have them come out with a healthy score there, rather than splitting their vote so the left goes from 1st or 2nd to say 4th and 5th, then endorsing them only after he's proved he doesn't matter any more.
    The only candidate likely to run left enough for Sanders to endorse would be Warren but he polls better than she does so there is no point him dropping out to endorse a weaker candidate
  • Scott_P said:
    In 2017 over 80% of voters chose candidates standing for parties who supported Brexit. Faisal Islam is just plain wrong - not surprising given how biased he is. Easily the worst political correspondent on our TVs.
    The Labour manifesto didn't "support" Brexit. It rejected May's approach, rejected 'no deal' and called to retain the benefits of the customs union and single market.
    It explicitly committed to us leaving the EU. There is no way you can get around that one no matter how much you try to avoid it.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,436

    Scott_P said:
    In 2017 over 80% of voters chose candidates standing for parties who supported Brexit. Faisal Islam is just plain wrong - not surprising given how biased he is. Easily the worst political correspondent on our TVs.
    The Labour manifesto didn't "support" Brexit. It rejected May's approach, rejected 'no deal' and called to retain the benefits of the customs union and single market.
    It explicitly committed to us leaving the EU. There is no way you can get around that one no matter how much you try to avoid it.
    Many Remainers voted Labour to stymie Brexit in parliament and so far it's working as intended.
  • mattmatt Posts: 3,789
    _Anazina_ said:

    Scott_P said:

    Books....who has books these days?

    I have loads.

    I can burn them when Brexit hits...
    I genuinely have bugger all books. Piles of academic papers, yes, books, i read / listen to them iPad and kindle.
    I don't like you any more. In fact that is worse than saying you have switched to Remain. You 're an evil man.

    For the record I have something over 8,000 books in my house. I aim to read at least 150 a year.
    I have never got the Kindle thing. It makes a decent stab at paper and ink, but it’s still yet another bloody device. On the all too rare times I actually drop the electronics and spend a few hours in a book, I feel unshackled. The interesting thing is that all these technologies haven’t done much to damage the book market - it’s in rude health.
    You clearly don’t fly or travel. The kindle comes into its own then.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 21,935
    I'm looking at the PaddyPower site. The odds on depart on time with no deal is 3/1. The odds on a deal by 30-03-2019 are 3/1. That's a weird combo.
  • PendduPenddu Posts: 265
    edited January 2019
    Dont waste your time (and money) with a Kindle - any tablet will do - just add a book reader app.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Osborne in Davos says we won't leave on 29th March.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    viewcode said:

    I'm looking at the PaddyPower site. The odds on depart on time with no deal is 3/1. The odds on a deal by 30-03-2019 are 3/1. That's a weird combo.

    Interesting figures.
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    matt said:

    _Anazina_ said:

    Scott_P said:

    Books....who has books these days?

    I have loads.

    I can burn them when Brexit hits...
    I genuinely have bugger all books. Piles of academic papers, yes, books, i read / listen to them iPad and kindle.
    I don't like you any more. In fact that is worse than saying you have switched to Remain. You 're an evil man.

    For the record I have something over 8,000 books in my house. I aim to read at least 150 a year.
    I have never got the Kindle thing. It makes a decent stab at paper and ink, but it’s still yet another bloody device. On the all too rare times I actually drop the electronics and spend a few hours in a book, I feel unshackled. The interesting thing is that all these technologies haven’t done much to damage the book market - it’s in rude health.
    You clearly don’t fly or travel. The kindle comes into its own then.
    I still prefer hard copy, even on flights. Particularly for books where you might want to flip back and forth between pages to cross reference things.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708
    edited January 2019
    HYUFD said:


    The only candidate likely to run left enough for Sanders to endorse would be Warren but he polls better than she does so there is no point him dropping out to endorse a weaker candidate

    I don't think the evidence is suggesting that Warren is a weaker candidate than Sanders. I know other people are always telling you that you can't read early polling directly as the eternal truth and that won't stop you doing it but they both have quite weak numbers considering their name recognition. Worse, Sanders has *exceptionally* weak numbers for his situation: If you got maybe 40% of the vote last time, and you're polling 15% now against a bunch of competitors the voters haven't heard of yet, you're not on a good trajectory.
  • asjohnstoneasjohnstone Posts: 1,276
    It's just name recognition fluff at this stage. Good time to lay some early favourites.

    Generational change will be the name of the game in 2020 O'Rourke can beat Trump. Not convinced about any of the others, Harris maybe but perhaps too Californian.

    Warren or Sanders would lose badly to Trump.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,677
    A factor in whether Biden will run or not is his mental son - banging his dead brother's wife, thrown out of the Navy Reserve for being a coke fiend, Manafort style Ukranian connections, etc. JB may not to wish to have him exposed to the inevitable scrutiny.
  • asjohnstoneasjohnstone Posts: 1,276
    Dura_Ace said:

    A factor in whether Biden will run or not is his mental son - banging his dead brother's wife, thrown out of the Navy Reserve for being a coke fiend, Manafort style Ukranian connections, etc. JB may not to wish to have him exposed to the inevitable scrutiny.

    That's some Henry VIII level dysfunctional stuff. Makes the Trump kids sound normal.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,517
    matt said:



    You clearly don’t fly or travel. The kindle comes into its own then.

    Not convinced. I use my laptop on flights, with a lot more flexibility (complex games, for instance), and if I get bored with that I'll read a book.
  • not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,449
    rcs1000 said:

    I don't think Sanders is going anywhere even if he runs, last time he had only terrible opposition and now even Dems who supported him last time don't want to relive 2016.

    If Biden runs I think he wins. There are like 45 liberal women in the race splitting their support, and if he looks like he can put up a spirited effort against Trump's malarky then nothing else matters, not even the creepy pictures. But I don't think he'll run.

    Biden was an insipid and uninspiring performer last time he ran back in '08. He's now twelve years older, and let's be honest, he wouldn't be in the top 100 candidates if he hadn't been Obama's VP.
    There’s no constitutional limit on the number of times you can be VP is there? So theoretically Biden could be someone’s Veep choice, perhaps to a youngster like Beto?
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,517
    dots said:



    A culture thing in each different country? When I was younger it seemed you needed to be 92 in Israel just to make it on the ballot.

    True. And if we move beyond democracies, don't let's get started on Russia and China in the 80s and 90s - Putin and Xi are relative striplings.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,517
    HYUFD said:


    Specifically on Sanders, I'll be surprised if he doesn't run. What's he got to lose? - if it doesn't go wonderfully, he can endorse someone else then, and in the meantime he'll pull all the candidates leftwards.

    Downsides would be:

    1) If his performance is embarrassingly flat, as it probably would be, he loses stature; Currently he can act like he speaks for the whole of the left, but if he shows up in Iowa and his vote goes from 49.5% to 15%, he looks like a has-been.

    2) Because the field is so crowded, it's the early races where endorsements really matter. If he wants Candidate X to win, it's much better to stump for Candidate X in Iowa and have them come out with a healthy score there, rather than splitting their vote so the left goes from 1st or 2nd to say 4th and 5th, then endorsing them only after he's proved he doesn't matter any more.
    The only candidate likely to run left enough for Sanders to endorse would be Warren but he polls better than she does so there is no point him dropping out to endorse a weaker candidate
    As a leftie I can't say that any of the other candidates especially inspire me so far - Warren failed to support Sanders last time (retreating into pathetic "don't know" status) and is a bank-bashing populist rather than a leftist.

    Edmund's points are interesting, as always, but Sanders doesn't strike me as a calculating man - I think he'll want to have a go. It's quite natural that he's on 15% with a zillion other candidates, vs 40% when he was the only alternative to Hillary.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,188

    matt said:



    You clearly don’t fly or travel. The kindle comes into its own then.

    Not convinced. I use my laptop on flights, with a lot more flexibility (complex games, for instance), and if I get bored with that I'll read a book.
    What games do you play?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,454

    Foxy said:

    As a change from Brexit Groundhog Day, and anyone with a pulse being better than Trump, tonights Oscar nominations look good.

    https://twitter.com/ThePopcornDiet/status/1087710869625028608?s=19

    Green Book is another of those "Civil Rights as entertainment" movies, along the lines of the enjoyable Hidden Figures. Enjoyable enough, when you get ove the casting of Strider as some Noo Yoik heavy (in all senses).

    BlackkKlansman I really enjoyed, as it is such a bizarre true story, despite some very obvious "This is a right-on Spike Lee movie" moments. It really packs its punch though in the last few minutes.

    Buster Scruggs is a series of half a dozen episodes, the first one of which is fabulous Cohn Bros. at their best. After that - not so much.

    Vice - people here will love it more than the general population, but much of the material has been done to death by Michael Moore. Combine with a very similar visual style to The Big Short (although, some much darker fast edit moments than in that movie) and it just doesn't seem as fresh. Some great performances though - loved Steve Carell as Rumsfeld and Sam Rockwell's Dubya is brilliant, but acting honours go to Christian Bale for ageing fifty years. Make-up and Hair Oscar nailed on.
    I loved every single bit of Buster Scruggs. The Tom Waits segment was a perfect gem of a story.
    Really? Even the wagon train one with the dog?
    Yep it was great in that bitter sweet way you so rarely see in films these days.
    Well, the Buster Scruggs segment was so strong, IMHO it built up expectations that then weren't delivered. It should have been the one the film ended on.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,455
    The Dems are looking like making the mistake the Republicans made last time, and running 15 primary candidates. Until they’ve had their debates and started whittling down the numbers, I’ll be laying the favourite - with one exception, not laying Joe Biden if he goes favourite. If he stands I think he wins, and he’s got a better chance than most against Trump.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,908

    Scott_P said:
    In 2017 over 80% of voters chose candidates standing for parties who supported Brexit. Faisal Islam is just plain wrong - not surprising given how biased he is. Easily the worst political correspondent on our TVs.
    "80% of voters chose candidates standing for parties who supported Brexit."
    Well a lot of Labour MPs didn't and don't. How could a voter cast a vote against Brexit while realistically hoping to get rid of a Tory MP? By voting LibDem in a few places (and they went from 8 to 12) but mainly by voting Labour.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,246

    matt said:



    You clearly don’t fly or travel. The kindle comes into its own then.

    Not convinced. I use my laptop on flights, with a lot more flexibility (complex games, for instance), and if I get bored with that I'll read a book.
    What games do you play?
    Party games...
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,790

    matt said:



    You clearly don’t fly or travel. The kindle comes into its own then.

    Not convinced. I use my laptop on flights, with a lot more flexibility (complex games, for instance), and if I get bored with that I'll read a book.
    Which is, perhaps, the common factor among those who disdain the Kindle - they just don’t read that many books.
    I prefer real books, but when travelling, a Kindle is invaluable. Tablets getting lighter will obsolete them in due course, but for now they are much more comfortable to hold for reading.

  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,677
    Disgraced national security risk Liam Fox is talking absolute shit on Sky. No sign of AW.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708
    What sucks about paper books is that they're badly designed. If you want to read them lying down on your side, which is the only comfortable way to read them, you have to change position whenever you turn a page. If they want to compete with my Kobo they should print on the left-hand page until halfway through, then you get to the end and rotate and reverse direction and read the second half from back to front.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,790
    Sandpit said:

    The Dems are looking like making the mistake the Republicans made last time, and running 15 primary candidates. Until they’ve had their debates and started whittling down the numbers, I’ll be laying the favourite - with one exception, not laying Joe Biden if he goes favourite. If he stands I think he wins, and he’s got a better chance than most against Trump.

    I tend to agree. The markets have chosen to anoint Harris favourite, but it’s a year until the actual primaries, and it’s entirely possible her record as AG could be successfully used against her.
    Biden, on the other hand, is a known quantity, warts and all, so a stop Joe campaign is less likely to get traction.
    (FWIW, I have money on both at more favourable odds than currently offered.)
  • eekeek Posts: 28,172
    Nigelb said:

    matt said:



    You clearly don’t fly or travel. The kindle comes into its own then.

    Not convinced. I use my laptop on flights, with a lot more flexibility (complex games, for instance), and if I get bored with that I'll read a book.
    Which is, perhaps, the common factor among those who disdain the Kindle - they just don’t read that many books.
    I prefer real books, but when travelling, a Kindle is invaluable. Tablets getting lighter will obsolete them in due course, but for now they are much more comfortable to hold for reading.

    My travel kit consists of laptop, full size ipad (for movies) and a kindle for when flying and before sleeping.

    The kindle is because it's a single purpose device without blue light which keeps me awake. And compared to the other items or a book it doesn't weigh anything.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,833
    Good that Pets at Home has started to stockpile pet food.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,362
    The ongoing spat between France and Italy continues with Salvini describing Macron as all talk and no action.


    https://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/ausland/salvini-ueber-macron-ein-schrecklicher-praesident-16003370.html
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,790
    rcs1000 said:

    I don't think Sanders is going anywhere even if he runs, last time he had only terrible opposition and now even Dems who supported him last time don't want to relive 2016.

    If Biden runs I think he wins. There are like 45 liberal women in the race splitting their support, and if he looks like he can put up a spirited effort against Trump's malarky then nothing else matters, not even the creepy pictures. But I don't think he'll run.

    Biden was an insipid and uninspiring performer last time he ran back in '08. He's now twelve years older, and let's be honest, he wouldn't be in the top 100 candidates if he hadn't been Obama's VP.
    Says the man tipping Hickenlooper...

    Biden surprised a lot of people with his success in a traditionally thankless role, and it is simply unrealistic to assess him on an ‘if he hadn’t been VP’ basis.

    My guess is that he will run, but I agree with Mike that is far from certain.

  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,188

    What sucks about paper books is that they're badly designed. If you want to read them lying down on your side, which is the only comfortable way to read them, you have to change position whenever you turn a page. If they want to compete with my Kobo they should print on the left-hand page until halfway through, then you get to the end and rotate and reverse direction and read the second half from back to front.

    For me, the smell and feel of the book is part of its pleasure.

    I agree that hardbacks are more cumbersome in the way you describe.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,790

    The ongoing spat between France and Italy continues with Salvini describing Macron as all talk and no action.


    https://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/ausland/salvini-ueber-macron-ein-schrecklicher-praesident-16003370.html

    All bouche, and sans culottes ?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,790
    ydoethur said:

    matt said:



    You clearly don’t fly or travel. The kindle comes into its own then.

    Not convinced. I use my laptop on flights, with a lot more flexibility (complex games, for instance), and if I get bored with that I'll read a book.
    What games do you play?
    Party games...
    Hunt the Kindle ?

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,246
    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    matt said:



    You clearly don’t fly or travel. The kindle comes into its own then.

    Not convinced. I use my laptop on flights, with a lot more flexibility (complex games, for instance), and if I get bored with that I'll read a book.
    What games do you play?
    Party games...
    Hunt the Kindle ?
    It'll never gain momentum...

    Have a good morning. Yesterday it took me 25 minutes to travel 1.7 miles. I'm hoping for at least a modest improvement today!
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