It is perhaps possible that people might mock and interrupt someone for reasons other than race, but I doubt she wants to turn her mind to that question.
Admittedly given she does undoubtedly face racist abuse I imagine she perceives a lot of criticism as so motivated.
He just said that if the Brexiteers want their brexit, the idea they could get the deal they want through the HOC is for the birds
While he voted against A50, 498 of his colleagues did making A50 no deal default
Article 50 is revocable, as Donald Tusk told them before they voted. There is a legal default, but a political choice between three options: deal, no deal, Remain.
Except, May doesn't believe that the EU have presented their FINAL deal. And all experience of previous EU summits suggests that is a correct reading.....
He just said that if the Brexiteers want their brexit, the idea they could get the deal they want through the HOC is for the birds
While he voted against A50, 498 of his colleagues did making A50 no deal default
Article 50 is revocable, as Donald Tusk told them before they voted. There is a legal default, but a political choice between three options: deal, no deal, Remain.
I do not disagree but if nothing is agreed and passes the HOC we leave with no deal
The vote failed primarily because of the backstop, so she is asking them to move on the backstop. What's the story?
I’m befuddled as to why some compromise can’t be reached on this issue.
Because it is not in the political interests of too many people to do so. It's not in Corbyn's interests, or May's. albeit for him its because he can see a GE win out of this with maximum chaos and she is simply too lacking in authority to bend any further without breaking in half. It's certainly not in the interests of the LDs or SNP. And the EU would rather we junk the whole thing so offering anything further is not in their interests either.
And in concert with that is the corollary that for all of them no deal, however bad for the country, or even them politically, is seen as better than the political cost of giving in. It's sad. May at least gave in quite a bit to get an agreement, but it was for naught.
He just said that if the Brexiteers want their brexit, the idea they could get the deal they want through the HOC is for the birds
While he voted against A50, 498 of his colleagues did making A50 no deal default
Article 50 is revocable, as Donald Tusk told them before they voted. There is a legal default, but a political choice between three options: deal, no deal, Remain.
Except, May doesn't believe that the EU have presented their FINAL deal. And all experience of previous EU summits suggests that is a correct reading.....
How do you know she doesn't believe the EU have presented their FINAL deal?
The EU's objective from the start has been to get through Brexit with the least additional damage to itself.
You might think that, huh? But rather, its objective has been to prevent a formula that other countries might look at and go "You know what, that arrangment will work for us too..."
He just said that if the Brexiteers want their brexit, the idea they could get the deal they want through the HOC is for the birds
While he voted against A50, 498 of his colleagues did making A50 no deal default
Article 50 is revocable, as Donald Tusk told them before they voted. There is a legal default, but a political choice between three options: deal, no deal, Remain.
Except, May doesn't believe that the EU have presented their FINAL deal. And all experience of previous EU summits suggests that is a correct reading.....
How do you know she doesn't believe the EU have presented their FINAL deal?
Because she wouldn't still be calling these EU leaders up if she thought it was now a purely UK decision point.
He just said that if the Brexiteers want their brexit, the idea they could get the deal they want through the HOC is for the birds
While he voted against A50, 498 of his colleagues did making A50 no deal default
Article 50 is revocable, as Donald Tusk told them before they voted. There is a legal default, but a political choice between three options: deal, no deal, Remain.
Except, May doesn't believe that the EU have presented their FINAL deal. And all experience of previous EU summits suggests that is a correct reading.....
How do you know she doesn't believe the EU have presented their FINAL deal?
Because she wouldn't still be calling these EU leaders up if she thought it was now a purely UK decision point.
The EU's objective from the start has been to get through Brexit with the least additional damage to itself.
You might think that, huh? But rather, its objective has been to prevent a formula that other countries might look at and go "You know what, that arrangment will work for us too..."
Yes but we did the "no sensible country should ever contemplate doing anything quite so stupid" bit all on our own. The EU didn't have to do anything there. Stopping Brexit damaging them takes more effort but they have a reasonable job so far. Ireland is obviously a big concern and the other countries a much smaller concern.
The EU's objective from the start has been to get through Brexit with the least additional damage to itself.
You might think that, huh? But rather, its objective has been to prevent a formula that other countries might look at and go "You know what, that arrangment will work for us too..."
They really worry too much about that. It has been plenty chaotic and divisive enough to put paid to that for a good many years unless we are an unquestionable success (and even that would take years to be apparent), so they really could have been more flexible. No deal is not a win for them after all, but they seem determined to get that or remain.
Blimey, Theresa, Arlene and Nigel. What a fun night that is likely to be.
Philip May has his work cut out for him trying to just enjoy the evening.
He will keep himself busy putting the bins out
They like North Wales. Should come here, only need to do it once every four weeks !!!!!!
Sounds very efficient!
Very controversial
Well, I suppose you could always vote for a different council.
Vote to rid ourselves of this utterly useless labour government in Cardiff, now headed by a Corbynista
Your bin collections are decided in Cardiff?!
No, but as you well know, Welsh Government funding forms the bulk of cash used by councils to fund services, including waste provision.
Six councils have been worst hit by the Welsh Government's 208-2019 council funding cuts: They are the Isle of Anglesey, Conwy, Flintshire, Powys, Monmouthshire and Gwynedd. Notice anything they have in common?
By contrast, six South Wales councils are not getting cut, but are in fact getting more cash.
It's a tricky one, but see if you can guess the political complexion of the Councils getting more cash?
He just said that if the Brexiteers want their brexit, the idea they could get the deal they want through the HOC is for the birds
While he voted against A50, 498 of his colleagues did making A50 no deal default
Article 50 is revocable, as Donald Tusk told them before they voted. There is a legal default, but a political choice between three options: deal, no deal, Remain.
Except, May doesn't believe that the EU have presented their FINAL deal. And all experience of previous EU summits suggests that is a correct reading.....
How do you know she doesn't believe the EU have presented their FINAL deal?
Because she wouldn't still be calling these EU leaders up if she thought it was now a purely UK decision point.
That doesn't mean she doe snot believe they have presented their final deal, it could just mean even though she believes they have she has no other option that to try to get them to offer something.
It seems pointless. We've had plenty of crunchpoints in the past months, and the EU have not only not budged they seem to have gotten harder. May should have been replaced after the summer when the much trailed positive response to her initial proposal (albeit without expectation it would be adopted in full) not only did not materialise but was met with blunt and brutal rejection.
Which way should you move to get more MPs to support your deal?
I'll give you a clue - it doesn't involve inviting the ERG and the bowler hats round for tea and biscuits.
But obviously that would involve a danger of splitting the parliamentary Tory party almost exactly in two.
It has seemed pretty apparent to me for quite some time that the cost of a getting a Brexit deal would be the fall of the Tory government, both for the reason you mention and the DUP. Sucks for them, but if May and most of her party do not, in fact, believe no deal is better than a bad deal, then the national interest they talk about would be to do what it takes to get a deal through even at the cost of a split and a fall.
The EU's objective from the start has been to get through Brexit with the least additional damage to itself.
You might think that, huh? But rather, its objective has been to prevent a formula that other countries might look at and go "You know what, that arrangment will work for us too..."
Yes but we did the "no sensible country should ever contemplate doing anything quite so stupid" bit all on our own. The EU didn't have to do anything there. Stopping Brexit damaging them takes more effort but they have a reasonable job so far. Ireland is obviously a big concern and the other countries a much smaller concern.
A reasonable job in stopping damaging their economies? When we are 70 days from a No Deal that puts many of them into recession? Yeah, right. Reasonable job my arse.
I don't know why you post these with seeming pleasure - it sucks, and EU leaders holding firm is great for your belief in their steadfastness, unfortunately it increases the risk of no deal hugely. Remain is at least now seriously on the cards, but EU leaders indulging in mockery doesn't help anything, since for all her faults May in such a position because parliament is in such a position.
Anyhoo, "Glass" (the sequel to "Split" and "Unbreakable") is out this week. It has received reviews that vary from "urgh" to "ohgodno". However Mark Kermode likes it, so there is that. Here's his review:
Which way should you move to get more MPs to support your deal?
I'll give you a clue - it doesn't involve inviting the ERG and the bowler hats round for tea and biscuits.
But obviously that would involve a danger of splitting the parliamentary Tory party almost exactly in two.
It has seemed pretty apparent to me for quite some time that the cost of a getting a Brexit deal would be the fall of the Tory government, both for the reason you mention and the DUP. Sucks for them, but if May and most of her party do not, in fact, believe no deal is better than a bad deal, then the national interest they talk about would be to do what it takes to get a deal through even at the cost of a split and a fall.
I suppose it's not a question of whether No Deal is worse, but of how much worse. And the same for Labour's calculation of its party advantage.
I can see either party putting political advantage above the good of the country. I can't see them initiating absolute catastrophe for party advantage. I wonder how well informed most MPs are about what would happen if we leave with No Deal.
Blimey, Theresa, Arlene and Nigel. What a fun night that is likely to be.
Philip May has his work cut out for him trying to just enjoy the evening.
He will keep himself busy putting the bins out
They like North Wales. Should come here, only need to do it once every four weeks !!!!!!
Sounds very efficient!
Very controversial
Well, I suppose you could always vote for a different council.
Vote to rid ourselves of this utterly useless labour government in Cardiff, now headed by a Corbynista
Your bin collections are decided in Cardiff?!
Big g knows they are not, he is just ramping a conservative tag line. He is not that thick.
I know that, and I am just teasing really.
Can't feel much sympathy on the Council tax front as here in North Dorset band D tax is £2,012 next year. Not sure whether that's the fault of the local council Labour opposition or the Labour opposition in Westminster? (or maybe it's the EU's fault?)
I don't know why you post these with seeming pleasure - it sucks, and EU leaders holding firm is great for your belief in their steadfastness, unfortunately it increases the risk of no deal hugely. Remain is at least now seriously on the cards, but EU leaders indulging in mockery doesn't help anything, since for all her faults May in such a position because parliament is in such a position.
To be fair, parliament is in the position and composition due to the PM, her cabinet (all its members past and present) and MPs actions. This whole sorry saga is due to misjudgement after misjudgement and the protagonists who insist all will be alright are still whistling with their fingers in their ears!
Which way should you move to get more MPs to support your deal?
I'll give you a clue - it doesn't involve inviting the ERG and the bowler hats round for tea and biscuits.
A majority of Tory MPs back May's Deal or No Deal though and it is actually about 300 MPs not 400 MPs who think May's Deal is not BINO enough (100 of the 400 MPs who voted against May's Deal were No Dealers) and 90% of those who think May's Deal is not BINO enough are not Tory MPs.
Hence May cannot move any further towards BINO, so votes on staying in the single market and permanently in the customs union and on EUref2 with a Remain option will have to come from MPs themselves not the PM which will come into play in the next few weeks thanks to the Grieve amendment and with Bercow's support.
At what point does repeatedly saying repeatedly saying "nothing has changed" in response to every unfolding national crisis switch from being an amusing mental illness to a terrifying risk to national security?
Which way should you move to get more MPs to support your deal?
I'll give you a clue - it doesn't involve inviting the ERG and the bowler hats round for tea and biscuits.
A majority of Tory MPs back May's Deal or No Deal though and it is actually about 300 MPs not 400 MPs who think May's Deal is not BINO enough (100 of the 400 MPs who voted against May's Deal were No Dealers) and 90% of those who think May's Deal is not BINO enough are not Tory MPs.
Hence May cannot move any further towards BINO, so votes on the staying in the single market and customs union and on EUref2 with a Remain option will have to come from MPs themselves not the PM which will come into play in the next few weeks thanks to the Grieve amendment and with Bercow's support.
Perhaps the best we can hope for now is that May will carry on making the noises she thinks will keep the Tory party in one piece, but will acquiesce in the House of Commons taking the responsibility out of her hands.
@Benpointer I wish to clarify that I do, occasionally, a MaccyD although I prefer both Burger King and Five Guys. I also eat at Fullers pubs in preference to Wetherspoons.
@FrancisUrquhart boxed wine is great when you only have the occasional glass. I only bring out the good stuff when I the company of people who will appreciate it
I am, after all, a man of the people
Totally agree with Five guys (in the us).
No offense I just can’t see you sitting down on a chilly Friday night and cracking open the 3l box of vinegar tasting white wine.
Blimey, Theresa, Arlene and Nigel. What a fun night that is likely to be.
Philip May has his work cut out for him trying to just enjoy the evening.
He will keep himself busy putting the bins out
They like North Wales. Should come here, only need to do it once every four weeks !!!!!!
Sounds very efficient!
Very controversial
Well, I suppose you could always vote for a different council.
Vote to rid ourselves of this utterly useless labour government in Cardiff, now headed by a Corbynista
Your bin collections are decided in Cardiff?!
Big g knows they are not, he is just ramping a conservative tag line. He is not that thick.
Welsh Government funding forms the bulk of cash used by councils to fund services, including leisure centres, schools, waste and care provision.
Conwy Council is being cut by the Welsh Government.
#1470 Band D average. Amazingly cheap
As are the wages
To spell it out, a major component of Council expenditure is wages and the cost of social care.
There are big differences in the costs of providing social care, or care for vulnerable adults, or care for the elderly, if delivered in Conwy as opposed to Cambridgeshire.
The carer in Cambridge has to be able to live -- i.e., pay his or her rent or mortgage. That is way more expensive in Cambridge than in Conwy.
Blimey, Theresa, Arlene and Nigel. What a fun night that is likely to be.
Philip May has his work cut out for him trying to just enjoy the evening.
He will keep himself busy putting the bins out
They like North Wales. Should come here, only need to do it once every four weeks !!!!!!
Sounds very efficient!
Very controversial
Well, I suppose you could always vote for a different council.
Vote to rid ourselves of this utterly useless labour government in Cardiff, now headed by a Corbynista
Your bin collections are decided in Cardiff?!
Big g knows they are not, he is just ramping a conservative tag line. He is not that thick.
I know that, and I am just teasing really.
Can't feel much sympathy on the Council tax front as here in North Dorset band D tax is £2,012 next year. Not sure whether that's the fault of the local council Labour opposition or the Labour opposition in Westminster? (or maybe it's the EU's fault?)
PS We do get fortnightly bin collection though!
Tell me about it !
Near me Rotherham and Doncaster are miles cheaper for council tax >.< Nottinghamshire is atrocious on that front.
Which way should you move to get more MPs to support your deal?
I'll give you a clue - it doesn't involve inviting the ERG and the bowler hats round for tea and biscuits.
A majority of Tory MPs back May's Deal or No Deal though and it is actually about 300 MPs not 400 MPs who think May's Deal is not BINO enough (100 of the 400 MPs who voted against May's Deal were No Dealers) and 90% of those who think May's Deal is not BINO enough are not Tory MPs.
Hence May cannot move any further towards BINO, so votes on staying in the single market and permanently in the customs union and on EUref2 with a Remain option will have to come from MPs themselves not the PM which will come into play in the next few weeks thanks to the Grieve amendment and with Bercow's support.
I promise you I was writing my comment when you posted yours, and didn't refresh, and that I haven't just engaged in the most toe-curlingly transparent bit of plagiarism.
At what point does repeatedly saying repeatedly saying "nothing has changed" in response to every unfolding national crisis switch from being an amusing mental illness to a terrifying risk to national security?
Asking for a Prime Minister.
Nothing actually has changed. The deal is still dead, the EU still won't come up with a new one, and many people claim to hate no deal. All that was true before and is true now, some are just even more confirmed. The choices remain the same, MPs just aren't brave enough to take the actions they claim the unchanged situation merits (or imply it merits).
Hence displacement activity focusing on extensions, and revocations 'to sort things out' and GEs. None of necessary, since all still require them to answer the same issues.
At what point does repeatedly saying repeatedly saying "nothing has changed" in response to every unfolding national crisis switch from being an amusing mental illness to a terrifying risk to national security?
Asking for a Prime Minister.
Your repeated comments on TM mental illness is an insult to all the people suffering in this country
You use it to try and make yourself feel better but it is just pathetic
TM has many faults but to continue to imply she has a mental illness is absurd unless you can prove your accusation.
Which way should you move to get more MPs to support your deal?
I'll give you a clue - it doesn't involve inviting the ERG and the bowler hats round for tea and biscuits.
A majority of Tory MPs back May's Deal or No Deal though and it is actually about 300 MPs not 400 MPs who think May's Deal is not BINO enough (100 of the 400 MPs who voted against May's Deal were No Dealers) and 90% of those who think May's Deal is not BINO enough are not Tory MPs.
Hence May cannot move any further towards BINO, so votes on the staying in the single market and customs union and on EUref2 with a Remain option will have to come from MPs themselves not the PM which will come into play in the next few weeks thanks to the Grieve amendment and with Bercow's support.
Perhaps the best we can hope for now is that May will carry on making the noises she thinks will keep the Tory party in one piece, but will acquiesce in the House of Commons taking the responsibility out of her hands.
She will have to, the most powerful person in the country for the next few weeks is no longer Theresa May, it is John Bercow, ably supported by Dominic Grieve.
That likely means a Remain v Deal referendum, though May can at least blame it on Parliament forcing EUref2 on her rather than she proposing it herself. Secretly I also doubt she would be that unhappy, the Deal tends to be rather more popular with voters than MPs, especially if head to head with Remain and the only means to preserve Brexit
Pity is the most dangerous emotion for her. She would do better to be hated if she wanted to achieve anything.
Hated is no use unless it’s hated AND feared.
That's not the mission statement of your company is it?
No. The strategic mission to be independent and family owned on a 25, 50 and 100 year basis. The mission statement is to treat customers as we would want to be treated ourselves
Blimey, Theresa, Arlene and Nigel. What a fun night that is likely to be.
Philip May has his work cut out for him trying to just enjoy the evening.
He will keep himself busy putting the bins out
They like North Wales. Should come here, only need to do it once every four weeks !!!!!!
Sounds very efficient!
Very controversial
Well, I suppose you could always vote for a different council.
Vote to rid ourselves of this utterly useless labour government in Cardiff, now headed by a Corbynista
Your bin collections are decided in Cardiff?!
Big g knows they are not, he is just ramping a conservative tag line. He is not that thick.
Welsh Government funding forms the bulk of cash used by councils to fund services, including leisure centres, schools, waste and care provision.
Conwy Council is being cut by the Welsh Government.
#1470 Band D average. Amazingly cheap
Do you really not understand why Council Tax in Conwy is cheap and Council Tax in the South East of England is so high ?
When did I mention the South East of England ?!
You mentioned Conwy is cheap. I mentioned the South of England to make the point more obvious. It is all largely down to the cost of living, particularly cost of housing.
Which way should you move to get more MPs to support your deal?
I'll give you a clue - it doesn't involve inviting the ERG and the bowler hats round for tea and biscuits.
A majority of Tory MPs back May's Deal or No Deal though and it is actually about 300 MPs not 400 MPs who think May's Deal is not BINO enough (100 of the 400 MPs who voted against May's Deal were No Dealers) and 90% of those who think May's Deal is not BINO enough are not Tory MPs.
Hence May cannot move any further towards BINO, so votes on staying in the single market and permanently in the customs union and on EUref2 with a Remain option will have to come from MPs themselves not the PM which will come into play in the next few weeks thanks to the Grieve amendment and with Bercow's support.
Sorry 300 not 400.
However, just because the only route to a majority is cross party is not a reason to rule it out.
May might not want to acknowledge the reality but I think the majority of the cabinet now do.
At what point does repeatedly saying repeatedly saying "nothing has changed" in response to every unfolding national crisis switch from being an amusing mental illness to a terrifying risk to national security?
Asking for a Prime Minister.
I said something similar recently, so I am therefore agreeing with you.
Pity is the most dangerous emotion for her. She would do better to be hated if she wanted to achieve anything.
Hated is no use unless it’s hated AND feared.
That's not the mission statement of your company is it?
No. The strategic mission to be independent and family owned on a 25, 50 and 100 year basis. The mission statement is to treat customers as we would want to be treated ourselves
I hope you wish to be treated grandly, like an Ottoman Sultan then, since as a customer I would love companies to treat me that way.
Which way should you move to get more MPs to support your deal?
I'll give you a clue - it doesn't involve inviting the ERG and the bowler hats round for tea and biscuits.
A majority of Tory MPs back May's Deal or No Deal though and it is actually about 300 MPs not 400 MPs who think May's Deal is not BINO enough (100 of the 400 MPs who voted against May's Deal were No Dealers) and 90% of those who think May's Deal is not BINO enough are not Tory MPs.
Hence May cannot move any further towards BINO, so votes on staying in the single market and permanently in the customs union and on EUref2 with a Remain option will have to come from MPs themselves not the PM which will come into play in the next few weeks thanks to the Grieve amendment and with Bercow's support.
I promise you I was writing my comment when you posted yours, and didn't refresh, and that I haven't just engaged in the most toe-curlingly transparent bit of plagiarism.
Which way should you move to get more MPs to support your deal?
I'll give you a clue - it doesn't involve inviting the ERG and the bowler hats round for tea and biscuits.
But obviously that would involve a danger of splitting the parliamentary Tory party almost exactly in two.
It has seemed pretty apparent to me for quite some time that the cost of a getting a Brexit deal would be the fall of the Tory government, both for the reason you mention and the DUP. Sucks for them, but if May and most of her party do not, in fact, believe no deal is better than a bad deal, then the national interest they talk about would be to do what it takes to get a deal through even at the cost of a split and a fall.
I suppose it's not a question of whether No Deal is worse, but of how much worse. And the same for Labour's calculation of its party advantage.
I can see either party putting political advantage above the good of the country. I can't see them initiating absolute catastrophe for party advantage. I wonder how well informed most MPs are about what would happen if we leave with No Deal.
But that won't be the trade off. So you exit to No Deal. Now what? It's the catastrophe that makes No Deal so bad for the Party (and incidentally for the country)
Which way should you move to get more MPs to support your deal?
I'll give you a clue - it doesn't involve inviting the ERG and the bowler hats round for tea and biscuits.
A majority of Tory MPs back May's Deal or No Deal though and it is actually about 300 MPs not 400 MPs who think May's Deal is not BINO enough (100 of the 400 MPs who voted against May's Deal were No Dealers) and 90% of those who think May's Deal is not BINO enough are not Tory MPs.
Hence May cannot move any further towards BINO, so votes on the staying in the single market and customs union and on EUref2 with a Remain option will have to come from MPs themselves not the PM which will come into play in the next few weeks thanks to the Grieve amendment and with Bercow's support.
Perhaps the best we can hope for now is that May will carry on making the noises she thinks will keep the Tory party in one piece, but will acquiesce in the House of Commons taking the responsibility out of her hands.
She will have to, the most powerful person in the country for the next few weeks is no longer Theresa May, it is John Bercow, ably supported by Dominic Grieve.
That likely means a Remain v Deal referendum, though May can at least blame it on Parliament forcing EUref2 on her rather than she proposing it herself. Secretly I also doubt she would be that unhappy, the Deal tends to be rather more popular with voters than MPs, especially if head to head with Remain and the only means to preserve Brexit
The only way May can exercise and control now is by calling an election, which is why I think it is likely.
Pity is the most dangerous emotion for her. She would do better to be hated if she wanted to achieve anything.
Hated is no use unless it’s hated AND feared.
That's not the mission statement of your company is it?
No. The strategic mission to be independent and family owned on a 25, 50 and 100 year basis. The mission statement is to treat customers as we would want to be treated ourselves
I hope you wish to be treated grandly, like an Ottoman Sultan then, since as a customer I would love companies to treat me that way.
If that's your mission statement, it's stupid and you're doomed.
Your mission statement should be "we plan to continue to exist, screw your parochial 'family company' bullshit, this is capitalism and we've got bills to pay".
The true strategic mission should be 'become an Amazon affiliate'. Because it's either that or wait for the day Amazon decides to get into your line of business and uses its terrifying economies of scale and logistic networks to undercut you until you bleed to death.
At what point does repeatedly saying repeatedly saying "nothing has changed" in response to every unfolding national crisis switch from being an amusing mental illness to a terrifying risk to national security?
Asking for a Prime Minister.
Your repeated comments on TM mental illness is an insult to all the people suffering in this country
You use it to try and make yourself feel better but it is just pathetic
TM has many faults but to continue to imply she has a mental illness is absurd unless you can prove your accusation.
I expect May has at least some symptoms of mild high functioning aspergers, indeed I expect plenty on PB probably are in a similar boat, myself included. Though I state that as a suspected fact not an insult
Which way should you move to get more MPs to support your deal?
I'll give you a clue - it doesn't involve inviting the ERG and the bowler hats round for tea and biscuits.
But obviously that would involve a danger of splitting the parliamentary Tory party almost exactly in two.
It has seemed pretty apparent to me for quite some time that the cost of a getting a Brexit deal would be the fall of the Tory government, both for the reason you mention and the DUP. Sucks for them, but if May and most of her party do not, in fact, believe no deal is better than a bad deal, then the national interest they talk about would be to do what it takes to get a deal through even at the cost of a split and a fall.
I suppose it's not a question of whether No Deal is worse, but of how much worse. And the same for Labour's calculation of its party advantage.
I can see either party putting political advantage above the good of the country. I can't see them initiating absolute catastrophe for party advantage. I wonder how well informed most MPs are about what would happen if we leave with No Deal.
But that won't be the trade off. So you exit to No Deal. Now what? It's the catastrophe that makes No Deal so bad for the Party (and incidentally for the country)
I do not expect no deal. But it needs to stay in play for now.
Don't we have more admirals than ships these days?
41 Admirals and 50 ships (if you count OPVs, MCMs and don't count HMS Victory)
The British Army has more more horses than tanks though.
I stand corrected.
Not sure about your implication that the Army equivalent of Admirals is horses though.
At least you can ride horses.
Yes, but if you do it at sea the horses drown. It's a problem.
This is why so few admirals plough the waves these days.
Although on a serious note, shouldn't we include commodores as well when talking about admirals? There are rather a lot of them and they rank above a ship's captain.
Which way should you move to get more MPs to support your deal?
I'll give you a clue - it doesn't involve inviting the ERG and the bowler hats round for tea and biscuits.
A majority of Tory MPs back May's Deal or No Deal though and it is actually about 300 MPs not 400 MPs who think May's Deal is not BINO enough (100 of the 400 MPs who voted against May's Deal were No Dealers) and 90% of those who think May's Deal is not BINO enough are not Tory MPs.
Hence May cannot move any further towards BINO, so votes on staying in the single market and permanently in the customs union and on EUref2 with a Remain option will have to come from MPs themselves not the PM which will come into play in the next few weeks thanks to the Grieve amendment and with Bercow's support.
Sorry 300 not 400.
However, just because the only route to a majority is cross party is not a reason to rule it out.
May might not want to acknowledge the reality but I think the majority of the cabinet now do.
At what point does repeatedly saying repeatedly saying "nothing has changed" in response to every unfolding national crisis switch from being an amusing mental illness to a terrifying risk to national security?
Asking for a Prime Minister.
Your repeated comments on TM mental illness is an insult to all the people suffering in this country
You use it to try and make yourself feel better but it is just pathetic
TM has many faults but to continue to imply she has a mental illness is absurd unless you can prove your accusation.
I expect May has at least some symptoms of mild high functioning aspergers, indeed I expect plenty on PB probably are in a similar boat, myself included. Though I state that as a suspected fact not an insult
If there's one thing I've learned from three family members who worked for years with those diagnosed with Aspergers, it is that the general public are bloody awful at guessing who has Aspergers.
At what point does repeatedly saying repeatedly saying "nothing has changed" in response to every unfolding national crisis switch from being an amusing mental illness to a terrifying risk to national security?
Asking for a Prime Minister.
I said something similar recently, so I am therefore agreeing with you.
Shock! Horror!!
Letting Theresa May try to do Brexit is like letting a Roomba attempt open heart surgery: they're simply lacking the requisite circuits to do anything than fuck things up on a truly historic scale.
Theresa May is clearly neurologically unable to perform her task. And the entire nation is going to pay for not stopping her from trying.
Which way should you move to get more MPs to support your deal?
I'll give you a clue - it doesn't involve inviting the ERG and the bowler hats round for tea and biscuits.
A majority of Tory MPs back May's Deal or No Deal though and it is actually about 300 MPs not 400 MPs who think May's Deal is not BINO enough (100 of the 400 MPs who voted against May's Deal were No Dealers) and 90% of those who think May's Deal is not BINO enough are not Tory MPs.
Hence May cannot move any further towards BINO, so votes on the staying in the single market and customs union and on EUref2 with a Remain option will have to come from MPs themselves not the PM which will come into play in the next few weeks thanks to the Grieve amendment and with Bercow's support.
Perhaps the best we can hope for now is that May will carry on making the noises she thinks will keep the Tory party in one piece, but will acquiesce in the House of Commons taking the responsibility out of her hands.
She will have to, the most powerful person in the country for the next few weeks is no longer Theresa May, it is John Bercow, ably supported by Dominic Grieve.
That likely means a Remain v Deal referendum, though May can at least blame it on Parliament forcing EUref2 on her rather than she proposing it herself. Secretly I also doubt she would be that unhappy, the Deal tends to be rather more popular with voters than MPs, especially if head to head with Remain and the only means to preserve Brexit
The only way May can exercise and control now is by calling an election, which is why I think it is likely.
She can't as even if she got a majority of 100, given at least a third of Tory MPs would likely be committed No Dealers that would still not ensure her Deal got through.
In fact the only way the Deal may get through now is in a Remain v Deal referendum (or better still but less likely to pass the Commons, a Deal v No Deal referendum)
He doesn't mind that. I understood his appeal, to a degree, but feel it has long since passed, but a great many still disagree no matter what he does, and like Trump and Corbyn he seems able to get away with insane amounts from his supporters.
At what point does repeatedly saying repeatedly saying "nothing has changed" in response to every unfolding national crisis switch from being an amusing mental illness to a terrifying risk to national security?
Asking for a Prime Minister.
Your repeated comments on TM mental illness is an insult to all the people suffering in this country
You use it to try and make yourself feel better but it is just pathetic
TM has many faults but to continue to imply she has a mental illness is absurd unless you can prove your accusation.
I expect May has at least some symptoms of mild high functioning aspergers, indeed I expect plenty on PB probably are in a similar boat, myself included. Though I state that as a suspected fact not an insult
We know she is diabetic but unless medical confirmation of other conditions are made it is not in anyone's interest to make statements without evidence
Which way should you move to get more MPs to support your deal?
I'll give you a clue - it doesn't involve inviting the ERG and the bowler hats round for tea and biscuits.
A majority of Tory MPs back May's Deal or No Deal though and it is actually about 300 MPs not 400 MPs who think May's Deal is not BINO enough (100 of the 400 MPs who voted against May's Deal were No Dealers) and 90% of those who think May's Deal is not BINO enough are not Tory MPs.
Hence May cannot move any further towards BINO, so votes on staying in the single market and permanently in the customs union and on EUref2 with a Remain option will have to come from MPs themselves not the PM which will come into play in the next few weeks thanks to the Grieve amendment and with Bercow's support.
Sorry 300 not 400.
However, just because the only route to a majority is cross party is not a reason to rule it out.
May might not want to acknowledge the reality but I think the majority of the cabinet now do.
Indeed and Parliament is about to take control
What do they intend to do with it? Control without a plan won't be control at all.
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Admittedly given she does undoubtedly face racist abuse I imagine she perceives a lot of criticism as so motivated.
And in concert with that is the corollary that for all of them no deal, however bad for the country, or even them politically, is seen as better than the political cost of giving in. It's sad. May at least gave in quite a bit to get an agreement, but it was for naught.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-46917259
100 MPs think your deal is too BINO.
400 MPs think your deal is not BINO enough.
Which way should you move to get more MPs to support your deal?
I'll give you a clue - it doesn't involve inviting the ERG and the bowler hats round for tea and biscuits.
Six councils have been worst hit by the Welsh Government's 208-2019 council funding cuts: They are the Isle of Anglesey, Conwy, Flintshire, Powys, Monmouthshire and Gwynedd. Notice anything they have in common?
By contrast, six South Wales councils are not getting cut, but are in fact getting more cash.
It's a tricky one, but see if you can guess the political complexion of the Councils getting more cash?
He is not that thick.
It seems pointless. We've had plenty of crunchpoints in the past months, and the EU have not only not budged they seem to have gotten harder. May should have been replaced after the summer when the much trailed positive response to her initial proposal (albeit without expectation it would be adopted in full) not only did not materialise but was met with blunt and brutal rejection.
Conwy Council is being cut by the Welsh Government.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkjJic3X7zo
PS in his review Kermode makes references to the Exorcist. I know, such a surprise...
However the local council makes it's own decision on bin collections.
Obtuse comes to mind.
I can see either party putting political advantage above the good of the country. I can't see them initiating absolute catastrophe for party advantage. I wonder how well informed most MPs are about what would happen if we leave with No Deal.
The British Army has more more horses than tanks though.
Can't feel much sympathy on the Council tax front as here in North Dorset band D tax is £2,012 next year. Not sure whether that's the fault of the local council Labour opposition or the Labour opposition in Westminster? (or maybe it's the EU's fault?)
PS We do get fortnightly bin collection though!
Hence May cannot move any further towards BINO, so votes on staying in the single market and permanently in the customs union and on EUref2 with a Remain option will have to come from MPs themselves not the PM which will come into play in the next few weeks thanks to the Grieve amendment and with Bercow's support.
Asking for a Prime Minister.
There are big differences in the costs of providing social care, or care for vulnerable adults, or care for the elderly, if delivered in Conwy as opposed to Cambridgeshire.
The carer in Cambridge has to be able to live -- i.e., pay his or her rent or mortgage. That is way more expensive in Cambridge than in Conwy.
Near me Rotherham and Doncaster are miles cheaper for council tax >.<
Nottinghamshire is atrocious on that front.
Not sure about your implication that the Army equivalent of Admirals is horses though.
At least you can ride horses.
Hence displacement activity focusing on extensions, and revocations 'to sort things out' and GEs. None of necessary, since all still require them to answer the same issues.
You use it to try and make yourself feel better but it is just pathetic
TM has many faults but to continue to imply she has a mental illness is absurd unless you can prove your accusation.
That likely means a Remain v Deal referendum, though May can at least blame it on Parliament forcing EUref2 on her rather than she proposing it herself. Secretly I also doubt she would be that unhappy, the Deal tends to be rather more popular with voters than MPs, especially if head to head with Remain and the only means to preserve Brexit
However, just because the only route to a majority is cross party is not a reason to rule it out.
May might not want to acknowledge the reality but I think the majority of the cabinet now do.
Shock! Horror!!
Your mission statement should be "we plan to continue to exist, screw your parochial 'family company' bullshit, this is capitalism and we've got bills to pay".
The true strategic mission should be 'become an Amazon affiliate'. Because it's either that or wait for the day Amazon decides to get into your line of business and uses its terrifying economies of scale and logistic networks to undercut you until you bleed to death.
Maybe if you and your Welsh sparring partner on here, could take those blinkers off.
Although on a serious note, shouldn't we include commodores as well when talking about admirals? There are rather a lot of them and they rank above a ship's captain.
The cavalry won.
Mind you, I think the weather had something to do with it...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capture_of_the_Dutch_fleet_at_Den_Helder
However, we were talking about Conwy in Wales, before you found a scurry of squirrels.
Theresa May is clearly neurologically unable to perform her task. And the entire nation is going to pay for not stopping her from trying.
In fact the only way the Deal may get through now is in a Remain v Deal referendum (or better still but less likely to pass the Commons, a Deal v No Deal referendum)
https://twitter.com/politicshome/status/1086387758552236033