Mind you the Republic would be so badly damaged by a No Deal Brexit that they couldn't afford to take on the additional burden of Northern Ireland. It really would be a Lose-Lose-Lose-Lose scenario: for the UK, the EU generally, the Republic, and NI.
True, but for similar reasons to why many Brexiteers feel Brexit is worth any price, a lot of Irish people would have a similar attitude.
Plus much of the country would qualify for all that lovely Objective 1 EU funding again!
Who is going to pay that out once the EU loses the U.K. contributions. There is already a budget row between contributor nations and recipient over that.
Brexiteers should be able to understand that it is not just about money. Voting for a result that makes people poorer is far from impossible.
Maybe what NI needs is a good dose of the Celtic tiger economy.
Great - but withthe ROI debt burden, EU regulation increasing and focus on “the project” and a shrinking world economy that seems unlikely.
The Irish economy is growing rapidly
It is time the subsidy junkies in the North mended their ways.
That’s why the Republic’s debt burden per capita is higher than Greece’s is it.
But Ireland has the economic prospects to grow out of that debt, with a well educated English speaking workforce and high tech industries, plus a worldwide diaspora in support. It would be the best thing that has happened in Ireland for decades.
That’s why it’s national debt is increasing is it ? Against a backdrop of a shrinking world economy, higher EU contributions and possible access problems to U.K. markeys, your optimism exceeds that ofthe most optimistic Brexiteers about Brexit.
Yes, there would be short term hiccups, and quite possibly some population movements*, but resolving the legacy of colonialism would be a step forward for both our islands.
*Some of my own ancestors were Irish Presbyterians from the 26 counties.
It will in 2019, if believe the experts so beloved of you Remainers, particularly as credit conditions are tightening. It will for the EU too if there is a no trade agreement with the U.K.
If Brexiteers talk as glibly as you about “short term hiccups” you would be trying to lambast them. Pits and kettles, I think.
I don’t really think your ancestors are particularly relevant to this discussion.
My son in laws father called today and is really angry over brexit and is demanding a referendum
I have never heard him mention the subject or politics before and he added he would not be able to vote for any party at present
I expect the next 17 days will see a big move to remain and a referendum and brexit last, and only chance, is TM deal, but I doubt it will get past the amendments
My prediction for 2019 is an extension to A50, a referendum and conclusive vote to remain in the EU which will see a huge uplift in the economy from the early summer
If you could cease the frothing for a minute would you be so kind to explain why a vote to Remain would see 'a huge uplift in the economy from the early summer' ?
Big G is not a "frother" - He is quite pragmatic on Brexit to be fair.
Mind you the Republic would be so badly damaged by a No Deal Brexit that they couldn't afford to take on the additional burden of Northern Ireland. It really would be a Lose-Lose-Lose-Lose scenario: for the UK, the EU generally, the Republic, and NI.
True, but for similar reasons to why many Brexiteers feel Brexit is worth any price, a lot of Irish people would have a similar attitude.
Plus much of the country would qualify for all that lovely Objective 1 EU funding again!
Who is going to pay that out once the EU loses the U.K. contributions. There is already a budget row between contributor nations and recipient over that.
Brexiteers should be able to understand that it is not just about money. Voting for a result that makes people poorer is far from impossible.
Maybe what NI needs is a good dose of the Celtic tiger economy.
As you are such a fan of how the Celtic tiger runs their economy should we copy the real austerity they went through?
Talk to people from Ireland Foxy - you might be surprised by what you hear.
I think that there is a good case that the short sharp austerity in Ireland, Iceland, Spain etc is a better way of managing than the long term grinding austerity that the UK chose.
The grinding austerity in the UK which includes retail sales, house prices and employment levels at all time highs.
With the government having borrowed a trillion quid to fund our desire of imported consumer tat and foreign holidays.
My son in laws father called today and is really angry over brexit and is demanding a referendum
I have never heard him mention the subject or politics before and he added he would not be able to vote for any party at present
I expect the next 17 days will see a big move to remain and a referendum and brexit last, and only chance, is TM deal, but I doubt it will get past the amendments
My prediction for 2019 is an extension to A50, a referendum and conclusive vote to remain in the EU which will see a huge uplift in the economy from the early summer
If you could cease the frothing for a minute would you be so kind to explain why a vote to Remain would see 'a huge uplift in the economy from the early summer' ?
I bet there is a word for it in Punjabi. There are about half a dozen different words for uncle, depending on the specific relationship. I'll have to check when Wor Lass gets home.
Edit - and of course the word 'uncle' is reserved for men who aren't your uncle!
My son in laws father called today and is really angry over brexit and is demanding a referendum
I have never heard him mention the subject or politics before and he added he would not be able to vote for any party at present
I expect the next 17 days will see a big move to remain and a referendum and brexit last, and only chance, is TM deal, but I doubt it will get past the amendments
My prediction for 2019 is an extension to A50, a referendum and conclusive vote to remain in the EU which will see a huge uplift in the economy from the early summer
If you could cease the frothing for a minute would you be so kind to explain why a vote to Remain would see 'a huge uplift in the economy from the early summer' ?
Even TM deal saw a boost to the pound, remain would not only see a boost to the pound but would unlock massive investment into the UK
For two days, an airport is shut down. The drone (or drones) is not shot out of the sky but just stops appearing. No individual or group claims responsibility. The operator is not, as far as we know, found and arrested. And yet from one day to the next, the airport is declared safe for flying.
It is most odd.
High tech drone detection and tracking systems have been installed and effectively negates the drone
It is likely the company who have developed this tech will be in line for billions of pounds worth of contracts worldwide
Perhaps it's them operating the drone...
I know you display amazing cynicism but that is a step too far
No, I am not a cynic. I have a healthy optimism concerning the human spirit. It is why I am a Lib Dem and a Remainer. Suspicious cynicism is no way to go through life, it rots the soul.
My comment was meant as a joke! I do not seriously think that drone defence systems are running a protection racket.
Mind you the Republic would be so badly damaged by a No Deal Brexit that they couldn't afford to take on the additional burden of Northern Ireland. It really would be a Lose-Lose-Lose-Lose scenario: for the UK, the EU generally, the Republic, and NI.
True, but for similar reasons to why many Brexiteers feel Brexit is worth any price, a lot of Irish people would have a similar attitude.
Plus much of the country would qualify for all that lovely Objective 1 EU funding again!
Who is going to pay that out once the EU loses the U.K. contributions. There is already a budget row between contributor nations and recipient over that.
Brexiteers should be able to understand that it is not just about money. Voting for a result that makes people poorer is far from impossible.
Maybe what NI needs is a good dose of the Celtic tiger economy.
As you are such a fan of how the Celtic tiger runs their economy should we copy the real austerity they went through?
Talk to people from Ireland Foxy - you might be surprised by what you hear.
I think that there is a good case that the short sharp austerity in Ireland, Iceland, Spain etc is a better way of managing than the long term grinding austerity that the UK chose.
So you would have supported Osborne taking that approach to the UK economy in 2010 and replicating Howe’s approach in his 1981 budget would you ?
My son in laws father called today and is really angry over brexit and is demanding a referendum
I have never heard him mention the subject or politics before and he added he would not be able to vote for any party at present
I expect the next 17 days will see a big move to remain and a referendum and brexit last, and only chance, is TM deal, but I doubt it will get past the amendments
My prediction for 2019 is an extension to A50, a referendum and conclusive vote to remain in the EU which will see a huge uplift in the economy from the early summer
If you could cease the frothing for a minute would you be so kind to explain why a vote to Remain would see 'a huge uplift in the economy from the early summer' ?
Pent up investment would be unleashed.
And could you put a number to this and tell us which sectors of the economy might benefit ?
My son in laws father called today and is really angry over brexit and is demanding a referendum
I have never heard him mention the subject or politics before and he added he would not be able to vote for any party at present
I expect the next 17 days will see a big move to remain and a referendum and brexit last, and only chance, is TM deal, but I doubt it will get past the amendments
My prediction for 2019 is an extension to A50, a referendum and conclusive vote to remain in the EU which will see a huge uplift in the economy from the early summer
It is a bold prediction, but I dont think much will happen. May will run down the clock and we will No Deal. It will be bad but not the rat eating zombie holocaust of our more exciteable press.
You know, for the first time my instinct tells me we will not leave. I accept TM deal as Brexit but if it does not survive the pressure for a referendum will be overwhelming and is the most likely path out of the impasse
For two days, an airport is shut down. The drone (or drones) is not shot out of the sky but just stops appearing. No individual or group claims responsibility. The operator is not, as far as we know, found and arrested. And yet from one day to the next, the airport is declared safe for flying.
Looks like an Air Maroc flight from Casablanca pulled out of final approach a couple of miles east of Gatwick and did several stack loops before diverting to Heathrow, where it is on approach now.
For two days, an airport is shut down. The drone (or drones) is not shot out of the sky but just stops appearing. No individual or group claims responsibility. The operator is not, as far as we know, found and arrested. And yet from one day to the next, the airport is declared safe for flying.
It is most odd.
I had wondered whether it is the Russians flexing their muscles and running a dry run for this type of thing. Putin has said he welcomes Brexit, his country may well have financed Leave.
It does not take a massive stretch of the imagination to wonder if he has plans to cripple the economy even more if a No Deal Brexit occurs. What better way for hostile states to the UK to cause further shocks to the economy than close all the big airports down with drones operated by Russian agents or private contractors? Its cost to them maybe £10,000 for the equipment and the man power very little. Its cost to our economy massive!
A No Deal Brexit will wreck the economy and the economic fallout will leave the UK less able to protect itself from hostile states.
They can do that with or without Brexit.
Yes, but it has more economic and psychological impact if a No Deal Brexit occurs.
Look to recent statements from the Chief officer of the Port of Dover on their inability to function in a hard Brexit. If you have all the ports gridlocked, then the airports are shutdown the economy will be severely impaired.
Given the UKs present relations with Russia it is not inconceivable that this sort of attack on our infrastructure might be co-ordinated with the biggest self-imposed hit to our economy in years.
In my opinion it is more likely to be a non-state actor. I’m not sure what the response would be if it was found to be the Russians. Would be totally unacceptable.
I think it would be a non-state actor but financed by Russia.
The sort of activity that has been going on in Ukraine for instance. Russia have changed the method of war by creating asymmetrical conflicts that seem to be inspired by terrorist type activity.
If it is Russian backed interference in our infrastructure, what can we do other than pile more sanctions on them and increase counter intelligence spending.
The UK is wide open to Russian interference, I hope OFCOM closes RT down as well! I say this in the knowledge that the World service will be shut down in Russia as well. Surely, the World Service should be replaced by something that actively promotes western values instead of being a balanced broadcast. Play them at their own game!
Mind you the Republic would be so badly damaged by a No Deal Brexit that they couldn't afford to take on the additional burden of Northern Ireland. It really would be a Lose-Lose-Lose-Lose scenario: for the UK, the EU generally, the Republic, and NI.
True, but for similar reasons to why many Brexiteers feel Brexit is worth any price, a lot of Irish people would have a similar attitude.
Plus much of the country would qualify for all that lovely Objective 1 EU funding again!
Who is going to pay that out once the EU loses the U.K. contributions. There is already a budget row between contributor nations and recipient over that.
Brexiteers should be able to understand that it is not just about money. Voting for a result that makes people poorer is far from impossible.
Maybe what NI needs is a good dose of the Celtic tiger economy.
As you are such a fan of how the Celtic tiger runs their economy should we copy the real austerity they went through?
Talk to people from Ireland Foxy - you might be surprised by what you hear.
I think that there is a good case that the short sharp austerity in Ireland, Iceland, Spain etc is a better way of managing than the long term grinding austerity that the UK chose.
So you would have supported Osborne taking that approach to the UK economy in 2010 and replicating Howe’s approach in his 1981 budget would you ?
Yes, and I think that I posted here in that line at the time. I am socially liberal and internationalist in outlook, but dry as dust on financial matters. I hate debt and think it offensive to overspend now and send the bill to our children.
For two days, an airport is shut down. The drone (or drones) is not shot out of the sky but just stops appearing. No individual or group claims responsibility. The operator is not, as far as we know, found and arrested. And yet from one day to the next, the airport is declared safe for flying.
It is most odd.
High tech drone detection and tracking systems have been installed and effectively negates the drone
It is likely the company who have developed this tech will be in line for billions of pounds worth of contracts worldwide
Perhaps it's them operating the drone...
I know you display amazing cynicism but that is a step too far
No, I am not a cynic. I have a healthy optimism concerning the human spirit. It is why I am a Lib Dem and a Remainer. Suspicious cynicism is no way to go through life, it rots the soul.
My comment was meant as a joke! I do not seriously think that drone defence systems are running a protection racket.
Maybe I was a bit unfair Dr Foxy and let us all hope that the disaster that is Brexit is resolved to the approval of a majority
May you have a wonderful christmas and may we all have a great 2019 either with the WDA now on offer or we remain
My son in laws father called today and is really angry over brexit and is demanding a referendum
I have never heard him mention the subject or politics before and he added he would not be able to vote for any party at present
I expect the next 17 days will see a big move to remain and a referendum and brexit last, and only chance, is TM deal, but I doubt it will get past the amendments
My prediction for 2019 is an extension to A50, a referendum and conclusive vote to remain in the EU which will see a huge uplift in the economy from the early summer
If you could cease the frothing for a minute would you be so kind to explain why a vote to Remain would see 'a huge uplift in the economy from the early summer' ?
Even TM deal saw a boost to the pound, remain would not only see a boost to the pound but would unlock massive investment into the UK
It is the absolute reverse of no deal
A 'boost to the pound' would make it harder for both exporting businesses and the the UK tourism industry.
As to 'unlock massive investment' perhaps you could tell us how many billions you think that would be, who would be doing all this extra investing and which sectors of the UK economy would benefit.
My son in laws father called today and is really angry over brexit and is demanding a referendum
I have never heard him mention the subject or politics before and he added he would not be able to vote for any party at present
I expect the next 17 days will see a big move to remain and a referendum and brexit last, and only chance, is TM deal, but I doubt it will get past the amendments
My prediction for 2019 is an extension to A50, a referendum and conclusive vote to remain in the EU which will see a huge uplift in the economy from the early summer
If you could cease the frothing for a minute would you be so kind to explain why a vote to Remain would see 'a huge uplift in the economy from the early summer' ?
Big G is not a "frother" - He is quite pragmatic on Brexit to be fair.
BigG froths on the basis of what he has most recently seen or heard.
For example a couple of months back he was in a fury about how the EU had treated May and wanted to Leave under any circumstances.
A united Ireland would be wonderful revenge on the DUP for backing Leave and acting as if they talk for the whole of NI.
It’s clear they want a hard border and are stupidly short sighted .
I had to laugh listening to LBC when a Leave caller rang up moaning they’re going to lose their freedom of movement and had wanted to retire to Spain ! Because of course some Brits think they’re special and stopping FOM was only going to be for EU nationals, all they had to do was wave their blue passport and the world was their oyster !
That’s the thing Leavers don’t understand , normally votes don’t remove other peoples rights but Brexit did and that’s why there’s no chance of the country coming together .
Brits will now be second class citizens of Europe , less rights and freedoms . Thank heavens my parents were born in an EU country and I can remain a proud citizen of the EU .
What a tragedy for those who aren’t that lucky especially younger people who were completely betrayed by many of their grandparents who should be utterly ashamed !
FOM has nothing to do with retiring in the EU. Retiring is and always was at the discretion of the nation state. Usually dependent on having medical insurance and an income large enough so the person would not be a burden on the country.
My son in laws father called today and is really angry over brexit and is demanding a referendum
I have never heard him mention the subject or politics before and he added he would not be able to vote for any party at present
I expect the next 17 days will see a big move to remain and a referendum and brexit last, and only chance, is TM deal, but I doubt it will get past the amendments
My prediction for 2019 is an extension to A50, a referendum and conclusive vote to remain in the EU which will see a huge uplift in the economy from the early summer
If you could cease the frothing for a minute would you be so kind to explain why a vote to Remain would see 'a huge uplift in the economy from the early summer' ?
Even TM deal saw a boost to the pound, remain would not only see a boost to the pound but would unlock massive investment into the UK
It is the absolute reverse of no deal
A 'boost to the pound' would make it harder for both exporting businesses and the the UK tourism industry.
As to 'unlock massive investment' perhaps you could tell us how many billions you think that would be, who would be doing all this extra investing and which sectors of the UK economy would benefit.
Some relationships are given specific names to make things quicker to write down. For example:
* The child of my father's brother is my "first cousin" * The child of my first cousin is my "first cousin once removed" * The grandchild of my grandfather's brother is my "second cousin" * The child of my second cousin is my "second cousin once removed"
You referred to "your son-in-law's father", who is the father of the man who married your daughter. I was wondering if there was a specific name for that relationship.
The re-unification of Ireland seems inevitable before too long and therefore it would be preferable if it came about through clear and settled consent and under benign and stable conditions, e.g. not as a consequence of the UK tumbling in disarray out of the European Union. Under those circumstances people on both sides of the border and both sides of the Irish Sea will be stressed and not be thinking straight.
Please parliament, do not let us tumble in disarray out of the European Union.
My son in laws father called today and is really angry over brexit and is demanding a referendum
I have never heard him mention the subject or politics before and he added he would not be able to vote for any party at present
I expect the next 17 days will see a big move to remain and a referendum and brexit last, and only chance, is TM deal, but I doubt it will get past the amendments
My prediction for 2019 is an extension to A50, a referendum and conclusive vote to remain in the EU which will see a huge uplift in the economy from the early summer
If you could cease the frothing for a minute would you be so kind to explain why a vote to Remain would see 'a huge uplift in the economy from the early summer' ?
Big G is not a "frother" - He is quite pragmatic on Brexit to be fair.
BigG froths on the basis of what he has most recently seen or heard.
For example a couple of months back he was in a fury about how the EU had treated May and wanted to Leave under any circumstances.
That was a long time ago. I am consistent that I support TM brexit or if not remain
Just because I detect a change in mood and express it does not make it wrong, though it does seem to upset you and I am sorry if it does
Given Northern Ireland voters clearly prefer staying in the UK to a United Ireland in the event of May's Deal and EUref2 and Remain but switch to backing a United Ireland in the event of a hard border with the Republic and No Deal then the biggest threats to the Union in Northern Ireland ironically have come from the DUP who both backed Leave unlike the UUP and now prefer No Deal to May's Deal
My son in laws father called today and is really angry over brexit and is demanding a referendum
I have never heard him mention the subject or politics before and he added he would not be able to vote for any party at present
I expect the next 17 days will see a big move to remain and a referendum and brexit last, and only chance, is TM deal, but I doubt it will get past the amendments
My prediction for 2019 is an extension to A50, a referendum and conclusive vote to remain in the EU which will see a huge uplift in the economy from the early summer
If you could cease the frothing for a minute would you be so kind to explain why a vote to Remain would see 'a huge uplift in the economy from the early summer' ?
Big G is not a "frother" - He is quite pragmatic on Brexit to be fair.
BigG froths on the basis of what he has most recently seen or heard.
For example a couple of months back he was in a fury about how the EU had treated May and wanted to Leave under any circumstances.
Mind you the Republic would be so badly damaged by a No Deal Brexit that they couldn't afford to take on the additional burden of Northern Ireland. It really would be a Lose-Lose-Lose-Lose scenario: for the UK, the EU generally, the Republic, and NI.
True, but for similar reasons to why many Brexiteers feel Brexit is worth any price, a lot of Irish people would have a similar attitude.
Plus much of the country would qualify for all that lovely Objective 1 EU funding again!
Who is going to pay that out once the EU loses the U.K. contributions. There is already a budget row between contributor nations and recipient over that.
Brexiteers should be able to understand that it is not just about money. Voting for a result that makes people poorer is far from impossible.
Maybe what NI needs is a good dose of the Celtic tiger economy.
Great - but withthe ROI debt burden, EU regulation increasing and focus on “the project” and a shrinking world economy that seems unlikely.
It is time the subsidy junkies in the North mended their ways.
Isn’t it mostly down to accounting tricks? Like all those airplanes that are registered in Ireland. Not really adding GDP, but they show up in the books.
And ironically increase Ireland's contribution to the EU's budget.
Some relationships are given specific names to make things quicker to write down. For example:
* The child of my father's brother is my "first cousin" * The child of my first cousin is my "first cousin once removed" * The grandchild of my grandfather's brother is my "second cousin" * The child of my second cousin is my "second cousin once removed"
You referred to "your son-in-law's father", who is the father of the man who married your daughter. I was wondering if there was a specific name for that relationship.
I really do not think so and that is why I expressed it the way I did but it would be very interesting if there is a specific name for it
Yes, but it has more economic and psychological impact if a No Deal Brexit occurs.
Look to recent statements from the Chief officer of the Port of Dover on their inability to function in a hard Brexit. If you have all the ports gridlocked, then the airports are shutdown the economy will be severely impaired.
Given the UKs present relations with Russia it is not inconceivable that this sort of attack on our infrastructure might be co-ordinated with the biggest self-imposed hit to our economy in years.
In my opinion it is more likely to be a non-state actor. I’m not sure what the response would be if it was found to be the Russians. Would be totally unacceptable.
I think it would be a non-state actor but financed by Russia.
The sort of activity that has been going on in Ukraine for instance. Russia have changed the method of war by creating asymmetrical conflicts that seem to be inspired by terrorist type activity.
If it is Russian backed interference in our infrastructure, what can we do other than pile more sanctions on them and increase counter intelligence spending.
The UK is wide open to Russian interference, I hope OFCOM closes RT down as well! I say this in the knowledge that the World service will be shut down in Russia as well. Surely, the World Service should be replaced by something that actively promotes western values instead of being a balanced broadcast. Play them at their own game!
The correct answer, when they murdered people on our soil, was to retaliate in kind and kill a couple of theirs on their home turf. An equal and proportionate response. Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.
Once the playground bully knows he has the best of you, he will keep coming back for more.
It sounds extreme, but once you have read Aleksander Dugin and understand how these people operate, it really is the only response. The weaker we look, the more the vultures (or the drones) will circle.
I really hope this judge gets to sentence Trump....
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/zoetillman/james-wolfe-sentencing "This court routinely sentences people who come from nothing, who have nothing, and whose life circumstances are such that they really don't have a realistic shot of doing anything other than committing crimes," Jackson said. "The unfortunate life circumstances of those defendants don't result in a lower penalty, so why should someone who had every chance of doing the right thing, a person who society rightly expects to live up to high moral and ethical standards and who has no excuse for breaking the law, be treated any better in this regard."
My son in laws father called today and is really angry over brexit and is demanding a referendum
I have never heard him mention the subject or politics before and he added he would not be able to vote for any party at present
I expect the next 17 days will see a big move to remain and a referendum and brexit last, and only chance, is TM deal, but I doubt it will get past the amendments
My prediction for 2019 is an extension to A50, a referendum and conclusive vote to remain in the EU which will see a huge uplift in the economy from the early summer
If you could cease the frothing for a minute would you be so kind to explain why a vote to Remain would see 'a huge uplift in the economy from the early summer' ?
Even TM deal saw a boost to the pound, remain would not only see a boost to the pound but would unlock massive investment into the UK
It is the absolute reverse of no deal
A 'boost to the pound' would make it harder for both exporting businesses and the the UK tourism industry.
As to 'unlock massive investment' perhaps you could tell us how many billions you think that would be, who would be doing all this extra investing and which sectors of the UK economy would benefit.
Many billions and all sectors
Another meaningless comment.
So let me make it easy for you.
How much do you think business investment would increase if we Remain ?
It sounds extreme, but once you have read Aleksander Dugin and understand how these people operate, it really is the only response. The weaker we look, the more the vultures (or the drones) will circle.
I bet there is a word for it in Punjabi. There are about half a dozen different words for uncle, depending on the specific relationship. I'll have to check when Wor Lass gets home.
Edit - and of course the word 'uncle' is reserved for men who aren't your uncle!
Mind you the Republic would be so badly damaged by a No Deal Brexit that they couldn't afford to take on the additional burden of Northern Ireland. It really would be a Lose-Lose-Lose-Lose scenario: for the UK, the EU generally, the Republic, and NI.
True, but for similar reasons to why many Brexiteers feel Brexit is worth any price, a lot of Irish people would have a similar attitude.
Plus much of the country would qualify for all that lovely Objective 1 EU funding again!
Who is going to pay that out once the EU loses the U.K. contributions. There is already a budget row between contributor nations and recipient over that.
Brexiteers should be able to understand that it is not just about money. Voting for a result that makes people poorer is far from impossible.
Maybe what NI needs is a good dose of the Celtic tiger economy.
Great - but withthe ROI debt burden, EU regulation increasing and focus on “the project” and a shrinking world economy that seems unlikely.
It is time the subsidy junkies in the North mended their ways.
Isn’t it mostly down to accounting tricks? Like all those airplanes that are registered in Ireland. Not really adding GDP, but they show up in the books.
And ironically increase Ireland's contribution to the EU's budget.
There is a huge investment in new pharmaceutical plants in Ireland. This is real business not just accounting trick
Some relationships are given specific names to make things quicker to write down. For example:
* The child of my father's brother is my "first cousin" * The child of my first cousin is my "first cousin once removed" * The grandchild of my grandfather's brother is my "second cousin" * The child of my second cousin is my "second cousin once removed"
You referred to "your son-in-law's father", who is the father of the man who married your daughter. I was wondering if there was a specific name for that relationship.
I really do not think so and that is why I expressed it the way I did but it would be very interesting if there is a specific name for it
Logic suggests that your son-in-law's father is you-in-law, if you think about it.
Yes, but it has more economic and psychological impact if a No Deal Brexit occurs.
Look to recent statements from the Chief officer of the Port of Dover on their inability to function in a hard Brexit. If you have all the ports gridlocked, then the airports are shutdown the economy will be severely impaired.
Given the UKs present relations with Russia it is not inconceivable that this sort of attack on our infrastructure might be co-ordinated with the biggest self-imposed hit to our economy in years.
In my opinion it is more likely to be a non-state actor. I’m not sure what the response would be if it was found to be the Russians. Would be totally unacceptable.
I think it would be a non-state actor but financed by Russia.
The sort of activity that has been going on in Ukraine for instance. Russia have changed the method of war by creating asymmetrical conflicts that seem to be inspired by terrorist type activity.
If it is Russian backed interference in our infrastructure, what can we do other than pile more sanctions on them and increase counter intelligence spending.
The UK is wide open to Russian interference, I hope OFCOM closes RT down as well! I say this in the knowledge that the World service will be shut down in Russia as well. Surely, the World Service should be replaced by something that actively promotes western values instead of being a balanced broadcast. Play them at their own game!
The correct answer, when they murdered people on our soil, was to retaliate in kind and kill a couple of theirs on their home turf. An equal and proportionate response. Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.
Once the playground bully knows he has the best of you, he will keep coming back for more.
It sounds extreme, but once you have read Aleksander Dugin and understand how these people operate, it really is the only response. The weaker we look, the more the vultures (or the drones) will circle.
I agree, You have to be tough on them and proportionally respond. It would not surprise me if the Russians are behind these Drones, a dry run for the end of March 2019 when this country will if No Deal occurs be under critical stress on all of our borders.
My son in laws father called today and is really angry over brexit and is demanding a referendum
I have never heard him mention the subject or politics before and he added he would not be able to vote for any party at present
I expect the next 17 days will see a big move to remain and a referendum and brexit last, and only chance, is TM deal, but I doubt it will get past the amendments
My prediction for 2019 is an extension to A50, a referendum and conclusive vote to remain in the EU which will see a huge uplift in the economy from the early summer
If you could cease the frothing for a minute would you be so kind to explain why a vote to Remain would see 'a huge uplift in the economy from the early summer' ?
Even TM deal saw a boost to the pound, remain would not only see a boost to the pound but would unlock massive investment into the UK
It is the absolute reverse of no deal
A 'boost to the pound' would make it harder for both exporting businesses and the the UK tourism industry.
As to 'unlock massive investment' perhaps you could tell us how many billions you think that would be, who would be doing all this extra investing and which sectors of the UK economy would benefit.
Many billions and all sectors
Another meaningless comment.
So let me make it easy for you.
How much do you think business investment would increase if we Remain ?
Some relationships are given specific names to make things quicker to write down. For example:
* The child of my father's brother is my "first cousin" * The child of my first cousin is my "first cousin once removed" * The grandchild of my grandfather's brother is my "second cousin" * The child of my second cousin is my "second cousin once removed"
You referred to "your son-in-law's father", who is the father of the man who married your daughter. I was wondering if there was a specific name for that relationship.
I really do not think so and that is why I expressed it the way I did but it would be very interesting if there is a specific name for it
Logic suggests that your son-in-law's father is you-in-law, if you think about it.
Mind you the Republic would be so badly damaged by a No Deal Brexit that they couldn't afford to take on the additional burden of Northern Ireland. It really would be a Lose-Lose-Lose-Lose scenario: for the UK, the EU generally, the Republic, and NI.
True, but for similar reasons to why many Brexiteers feel Brexit is worth any price, a lot of Irish people would have a similar attitude.
Plus much of the country would qualify for all that lovely Objective 1 EU funding again!
Who is going to pay that out once the EU loses the U.K. contributions. There is already a budget row between contributor nations and recipient over that.
Brexiteers should be able to understand that it is not just about money. Voting for a result that makes people poorer is far from impossible.
Maybe what NI needs is a good dose of the Celtic tiger economy.
Great - but withthe ROI debt burden, EU regulation increasing and focus on “the project” and a shrinking world economy that seems unlikely.
It is time the subsidy junkies in the North mended their ways.
Isn’t it mostly down to accounting tricks? Like all those airplanes that are registered in Ireland. Not really adding GDP, but they show up in the books.
And ironically increase Ireland's contribution to the EU's budget.
There is a huge investment in new pharmaceutical plants in Ireland. This is real business not just accounting trick
Mind you the Republic would be so badly damaged by a No Deal Brexit that they couldn't afford to take on the additional burden of Northern Ireland. It really would be a Lose-Lose-Lose-Lose scenario: for the UK, the EU generally, the Republic, and NI.
True, but for similar reasons to why many Brexiteers feel Brexit is worth any price, a lot of Irish people would have a similar attitude.
Plus much of the country would qualify for all that lovely Objective 1 EU funding again!
Who is going to pay that out once the EU loses the U.K. contributions. There is already a budget row between contributor nations and recipient over that.
Brexiteers should be able to understand that it is not just about money. Voting for a result that makes people poorer is far from impossible.
Maybe what NI needs is a good dose of the Celtic tiger economy.
As you are such a fan of how the Celtic tiger runs their economy should we copy the real austerity they went through?
Talk to people from Ireland Foxy - you might be surprised by what you hear.
I think that there is a good case that the short sharp austerity in Ireland, Iceland, Spain etc is a better way of managing than the long term grinding austerity that the UK chose.
So you would have supported Osborne taking that approach to the UK economy in 2010 and replicating Howe’s approach in his 1981 budget would you ?
Yes, and I think that I posted here in that line at the time. I am socially liberal and internationalist in outlook, but dry as dust on financial matters. I hate debt and think it offensive to overspend now and send the bill to our children.
Don't you complain about austerity - how to square that circle?
They're not all winners, admittedly. When it has been referenced previously people have questioned if the population divisions shown are accurate. Cool map though.
Mind you the Republic would be so badly damaged by a No Deal Brexit that they couldn't afford to take on the additional burden of Northern Ireland. It really would be a Lose-Lose-Lose-Lose scenario: for the UK, the EU generally, the Republic, and NI.
True, but for similar reasons to why many Brexiteers feel Brexit is worth any price, a lot of Irish people would have a similar attitude.
Plus much of the country would qualify for all that lovely Objective 1 EU funding again!
Who is going to pay that out once the EU loses the U.K. contributions. There is already a budget row between contributor nations and recipient over that.
Brexiteers should be able to understand that it is not just about money. Voting for a result that makes people poorer is far from impossible.
Maybe what NI needs is a good dose of the Celtic tiger economy.
Great - but withthe ROI debt burden, EU regulation increasing and focus on “the project” and a shrinking world economy that seems unlikely.
It is time the subsidy junkies in the North mended their ways.
Isn’t it mostly down to accounting tricks? Like all those airplanes that are registered in Ireland. Not really adding GDP, but they show up in the books.
And ironically increase Ireland's contribution to the EU's budget.
There is a huge investment in new pharmaceutical plants in Ireland. This is real business not just accounting trick
So you're saying the Irish economy is going high on drugs?
Funnily enough, I was thinking about this earlier today. Suppose we do have another referendum - say next October - and by then the economy is in recession. Do remainers promise to end the recession with a vote to remain in the EU?
They're ignorant of history, they think Northumbria is a quaint name for an English county, not a country.
I would suggest using Prince Bishopric rather than country (though there might be some argument about the seat of power). And after all, it is a description not unknown in Europe.
For two days, an airport is shut down. The drone (or drones) is not shot out of the sky but just stops appearing. No individual or group claims responsibility. The operator is not, as far as we know, found and arrested. And yet from one day to the next, the airport is declared safe for flying.
It is most odd.
A friend of mine thinks it was an owl.....
Was it one of Labours free ones?
On a serious note Roger ask your friend which owls have red and blue lights :-)
I do wish people would stop using the term 're-unification' so horrendously inaccurately.
Re-unification would mean - and can only mean - the current Republic of Ireland becoming part of the UK once again.
If, and it's a big if, Northern Ireland secedes from the UK and joins Eire, that would represent *at best* a Unification. Not a Re-Unification. Unless one considers the scant pre-9th century historical records that are extant to be not only accurate but comprehensive. Which would be pretty fucking retarded.
I bet there is a word for it in Punjabi. There are about half a dozen different words for uncle, depending on the specific relationship. I'll have to check when Wor Lass gets home.
Edit - and of course the word 'uncle' is reserved for men who aren't your uncle!
I do wish people would stop using the term 're-unification' so horrendously inaccurately.
Re-unification would mean - and can only mean - the current Republic of Ireland becoming part of the UK once again.
If, and it's a big if, Northern Ireland secedes from the UK and joins Eire, that would represent *at best* a Unification. Not a Re-Unification. Unless one considers the scant pre-9th century historical records that are extant to be not only accurate but comprehensive. Which would be pretty fucking retarded.
You could argue it was unified while within the UK.
Mind you the Republic would be so badly damaged by a No Deal Brexit that they couldn't afford to take on the additional burden of Northern Ireland. It really would be a Lose-Lose-Lose-Lose scenario: for the UK, the EU generally, the Republic, and NI.
True, but for similar reasons to why many Brexiteers feel Brexit is worth any price, a lot of Irish people would have a similar attitude.
Plus much of the country would qualify for all that lovely Objective 1 EU funding again!
Who is going to pay that out once the EU loses the U.K. contributions. There is already a budget row between contributor nations and recipient over that.
Brexiteers should be able to understand that it is not just about money. Voting for a result that makes people poorer is far from impossible.
Maybe what NI needs is a good dose of the Celtic tiger economy.
Great - but withthe ROI debt burden, EU regulation increasing and focus on “the project” and a shrinking world economy that seems unlikely.
It is time the subsidy junkies in the North mended their ways.
Isn’t it mostly down to accounting tricks? Like all those airplanes that are registered in Ireland. Not really adding GDP, but they show up in the books.
And ironically increase Ireland's contribution to the EU's budget.
There is a huge investment in new pharmaceutical plants in Ireland. This is real business not just accounting trick
So you're saying the Irish economy is going high on drugs?
Funnily enough, I was thinking about this earlier today. Suppose we do have another referendum - say next October - and by then the economy is in recession. Do remainers promise to end the recession with a vote to remain in the EU?
No.
They'd say the recession would be much deeper and longer if we Leave.
They're ignorant of history, they think Northumbria is a quaint name for an English county, not a country.
I would suggest using Prince Bishopric rather than country (though there might be some argument about the seat of power). And after all, it is a description not unknown in Europe.
For two days, an airport is shut down. The drone (or drones) is not shot out of the sky but just stops appearing. No individual or group claims responsibility. The operator is not, as far as we know, found and arrested. And yet from one day to the next, the airport is declared safe for flying.
It is most odd.
A friend of mine thinks it was an owl.....
Was it one of Labours free ones?
On a serious note Roger ask your friend which owls have red and blue lights :-)
There is a Red Owl in Madagascar, but I think not named for its onboard lighting system.....
Funnily enough, I was thinking about this earlier today. Suppose we do have another referendum - say next October - and by then the economy is in recession. Do remainers promise to end the recession with a vote to remain in the EU?
No.
They'd say the recession would be much deeper and longer if we Leave.
That would require discipline from remainer commentators to not attribute the recession to Brexit.
They're ignorant of history, they think Northumbria is a quaint name for an English county, not a country.
I would suggest using Prince Bishopric rather than country (though there might be some argument about the seat of power). And after all, it is a description not unknown in Europe.
The Prince Bishopric was part of what had been Northumbria, but Northumbria was not the Prince Bishopric.
Funnily enough, I was thinking about this earlier today. Suppose we do have another referendum - say next October - and by then the economy is in recession. Do remainers promise to end the recession with a vote to remain in the EU?
A No Deal Brexit would in those circumstances be a secondary shock to a recession hit economy. A No Deal Brexit will wreck the economy, if the UK were in recession then it could well turn into a depression in those circumstances as further demand would be deferred by domestic consumers as well as the external shocks associated with Brexit.
I bet there is a word for it in Punjabi. There are about half a dozen different words for uncle, depending on the specific relationship. I'll have to check when Wor Lass gets home.
Edit - and of course the word 'uncle' is reserved for men who aren't your uncle!
They're ignorant of history, they think Northumbria is a quaint name for an English county, not a country.
I would suggest using Prince Bishopric rather than country (though there might be some argument about the seat of power). And after all, it is a description not unknown in Europe.
The Prince Bishopric was part of what had been Northumbria, but Northumbria was not the Prince Bishopric.
And Northumbria is not Northland, neither. As an administrative region, there is much to be said for a Prince Bishopric.
And it would wind up both the royalists and republicans.
I do wish people would stop using the term 're-unification' so horrendously inaccurately.
Re-unification would mean - and can only mean - the current Republic of Ireland becoming part of the UK once again.
If, and it's a big if, Northern Ireland secedes from the UK and joins Eire, that would represent *at best* a Unification. Not a Re-Unification. Unless one considers the scant pre-9th century historical records that are extant to be not only accurate but comprehensive. Which would be pretty fucking retarded.
Not quite correct. Ireland became independent as one country in 1922. Six counties had an opt-out that came into effect if they chose to use it after one month. So it would be reunification.
Funnily enough, I was thinking about this earlier today. Suppose we do have another referendum - say next October - and by then the economy is in recession. Do remainers promise to end the recession with a vote to remain in the EU?
A No Deal Brexit would in those circumstances be a secondary shock to a recession hit economy. A No Deal Brexit will wreck the economy, if the UK were in recession then it could well turn into a depression in those circumstances as further demand would be deferred by domestic consumers as well as the external shocks associated with Brexit.
I always ask myself would a no deal brexit be worse than the GFC? Seeing as that Nice Mr Carney tells me that the UK banks have piles of cash to fully support the economy, which they did not in the GFC, then my answer is no it will not.
I do wish people would stop using the term 're-unification' so horrendously inaccurately.
Re-unification would mean - and can only mean - the current Republic of Ireland becoming part of the UK once again.
If, and it's a big if, Northern Ireland secedes from the UK and joins Eire, that would represent *at best* a Unification. Not a Re-Unification. Unless one considers the scant pre-9th century historical records that are extant to be not only accurate but comprehensive. Which would be pretty fucking retarded.
You could argue it was unified while within the UK.
Only in the same way that Crimea was unified within the USSR...
They're ignorant of history, they think Northumbria is a quaint name for an English county, not a country.
I would suggest using Prince Bishopric rather than country (though there might be some argument about the seat of power). And after all, it is a description not unknown in Europe.
The Prince Bishopric was part of what had been Northumbria, but Northumbria was not the Prince Bishopric.
And Northumbria is not Northland, neither. As an administrative region, there is much to be said for a Prince Bishopric.
And it would wind up both the royalists and republicans.
Funnily enough, I was thinking about this earlier today. Suppose we do have another referendum - say next October - and by then the economy is in recession. Do remainers promise to end the recession with a vote to remain in the EU?
No.
They'd say the recession would be much deeper and longer if we Leave.
That would require discipline from remainer commentators to not attribute the recession to Brexit.
We can blame the recession on the uncertainty caused by the potential of no deal.
Funnily enough, I was thinking about this earlier today. Suppose we do have another referendum - say next October - and by then the economy is in recession. Do remainers promise to end the recession with a vote to remain in the EU?
A No Deal Brexit would in those circumstances be a secondary shock to a recession hit economy. A No Deal Brexit will wreck the economy, if the UK were in recession then it could well turn into a depression in those circumstances as further demand would be deferred by domestic consumers as well as the external shocks associated with Brexit.
I always ask myself would a no deal brexit be worse than the GFC? Seeing as that Nice Mr Carney tells me that the UK banks have piles of cash to fully support the economy, which they did not in the GFC, then my answer is no it will not.
I think it could well be of about the same magnitude, although obviously different in terms of sectors most badly hit. But TBH no-one really knows, nothing like this has every been tried before.
I bet there is a word for it in Punjabi. There are about half a dozen different words for uncle, depending on the specific relationship. I'll have to check when Wor Lass gets home.
Edit - and of course the word 'uncle' is reserved for men who aren't your uncle!
I had to ask my Mum, is a catch all term for the parents of the person your kids have married.
Those seem good words. Can we steal them into English along with (off the top of my head) khaki, pyjamas, etc?
Father: You see, you have these English people sitting on the veranda's of their bungalow's. looking at the jungle, using their shampoo. And they talk about Western Civilisation! Rubbish!
Son: (sighs with despair) Well, I don't think you can discount the whole of Western Civilisation just because they borrowed the word shampoo.
Funnily enough, I was thinking about this earlier today. Suppose we do have another referendum - say next October - and by then the economy is in recession. Do remainers promise to end the recession with a vote to remain in the EU?
A No Deal Brexit would in those circumstances be a secondary shock to a recession hit economy. A No Deal Brexit will wreck the economy, if the UK were in recession then it could well turn into a depression in those circumstances as further demand would be deferred by domestic consumers as well as the external shocks associated with Brexit.
There's the interesting point arising, that if the Tories deny the people's vote now, there could be a big political price to pay if people decide later on that they really should have been given a say.
A united Ireland would be wonderful revenge on the DUP for backing Leave and acting as if they talk for the whole of NI.
It’s clear they want a hard border and are stupidly short sighted .
I had to laugh listening to LBC when a Leave caller rang up moaning they’re going to lose their freedom of movement and had wanted to retire to Spain ! Because of course some Brits think they’re special and stopping FOM was only going to be for EU nationals, all they had to do was wave their blue passport and the world was their oyster !
That’s the thing Leavers don’t understand , normally votes don’t remove other peoples rights but Brexit did and that’s why there’s no chance of the country coming together .
Brits will now be second class citizens of Europe , less rights and freedoms . Thank heavens my parents were born in an EU country and I can remain a proud citizen of the EU .
What a tragedy for those who aren’t that lucky especially younger people who were completely betrayed by many of their grandparents who should be utterly ashamed !
FOM has nothing to do with retiring in the EU. Retiring is and always was at the discretion of the nation state. Usually dependent on having medical insurance and an income large enough so the person would not be a burden on the country.
Whilst technically true, being able to retire in the EU has become a defacto right that will be sorely missed.
They're ignorant of history, they think Northumbria is a quaint name for an English county, not a country.
I would suggest using Prince Bishopric rather than country (though there might be some argument about the seat of power). And after all, it is a description not unknown in Europe.
So Greater Durham then?
As I said, there would be dispute about the centre of influence. Pretty sure that York would throw its hat (or mitre) into the ring. And of course the arrivistes of Leeds and Manchester might want to make a case.
They're ignorant of history, they think Northumbria is a quaint name for an English county, not a country.
I would suggest using Prince Bishopric rather than country (though there might be some argument about the seat of power). And after all, it is a description not unknown in Europe.
The Prince Bishopric was part of what had been Northumbria, but Northumbria was not the Prince Bishopric.
A region so large would surely be a Prince Archbishopric?
I bet there is a word for it in Punjabi. There are about half a dozen different words for uncle, depending on the specific relationship. I'll have to check when Wor Lass gets home.
Edit - and of course the word 'uncle' is reserved for men who aren't your uncle!
I bet there is a word for it in Punjabi. There are about half a dozen different words for uncle, depending on the specific relationship. I'll have to check when Wor Lass gets home.
Edit - and of course the word 'uncle' is reserved for men who aren't your uncle!
I had to ask my Mum, is a catch all term for the parents of the person your kids have married.
Those seem good words. Can we steal them into English along with (off the top of my head) khaki, pyjamas, etc?
Father: You see, you have these English people sitting on the veranda's of their bungalow's. looking at the jungle, using their shampoo. And they talk about Western Civilisation! Rubbish!
Son: (sighs with despair) Well, I don't think you can discount the whole of Western Civilisation just because they borrowed the word shampoo.
A united Ireland would be wonderful revenge on the DUP for backing Leave and acting as if they talk for the whole of NI.
It’s clear they want a hard border and are stupidly short sighted .
I had to laugh listening to LBC when a Leave caller rang up moaning they’re going to lose their freedom of movement and had wanted to retire to Spain ! Because of course some Brits think they’re special and stopping FOM was only going to be for EU nationals, all they had to do was wave their blue passport and the world was their oyster !
That’s the thing Leavers don’t understand , normally votes don’t remove other peoples rights but Brexit did and that’s why there’s no chance of the country coming together .
Brits will now be second class citizens of Europe , less rights and freedoms . Thank heavens my parents were born in an EU country and I can remain a proud citizen of the EU .
What a tragedy for those who aren’t that lucky especially younger people who were completely betrayed by many of their grandparents who should be utterly ashamed !
FOM has nothing to do with retiring in the EU. Retiring is and always was at the discretion of the nation state. Usually dependent on having medical insurance and an income large enough so the person would not be a burden on the country.
Whilst technically true, being able to retire in the EU has become a defacto right that will be sorely missed.
Sounds as though it's not a de facto right though, if they are requirements. Likely these requirements won't change after Brexit.
I think it would be a non-state actor but financed by Russia.
The sort of activity that has been going on in Ukraine for instance. Russia have changed the method of war by creating asymmetrical conflicts that seem to be inspired by terrorist type activity.
If it is Russian backed interference in our infrastructure, what can we do other than pile more sanctions on them and increase counter intelligence spending.
The UK is wide open to Russian interference, I hope OFCOM closes RT down as well! I say this in the knowledge that the World service will be shut down in Russia as well. Surely, the World Service should be replaced by something that actively promotes western values instead of being a balanced broadcast. Play them at their own game!
The correct answer, when they murdered people on our soil, was to retaliate in kind and kill a couple of theirs on their home turf. An equal and proportionate response. Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.
Once the playground bully knows he has the best of you, he will keep coming back for more.
It sounds extreme, but once you have read Aleksander Dugin and understand how these people operate, it really is the only response. The weaker we look, the more the vultures (or the drones) will circle.
I agree, You have to be tough on them and proportionally respond. It would not surprise me if the Russians are behind these Drones, a dry run for the end of March 2019 when this country will if No Deal occurs be under critical stress on all of our borders.
That is a terrifying thought and all too believeable, since our politicans appear incapable of organising a light afternoon drinking session in a brewery.
Without wishing to trivialise the crimes they've committed, the Russian government are playing a brilliant game.
We don't know the Gatwick Droner is the Russians. It could be eco-nutters, it could be 4chan for heaven's sake. But the Russians have played their cards in such a way as we think it might be them. For good reason - it could actually be them.
I think when the history books are written about this era, it will be said that the cold war didn't end, it merely changed shape.
The Russians have mastered postmodern warfare. Dugin and his disciples are what you get if you cross Baudrillard with Goebbels and give them the nihilistic bent of a sixteen year old who's just discovered Nietzsche and amphetamines.
They are fighting a superior war - muskets against our swords, machine guns against our rifles, tanks against our cavalry.
The history books may look back on this time as a time of war. One which, at present, the west is losing.
Has there ever been a theory more discredited than Fukuyama's?
I bet there is a word for it in Punjabi. There are about half a dozen different words for uncle, depending on the specific relationship. I'll have to check when Wor Lass gets home.
Edit - and of course the word 'uncle' is reserved for men who aren't your uncle!
I had to ask my Mum, is a catch all term for the parents of the person your kids have married.
Those seem good words. Can we steal them into English along with (off the top of my head) khaki, pyjamas, etc?
Father: You see, you have these English people sitting on the veranda's of their bungalow's. looking at the jungle, using their shampoo. And they talk about Western Civilisation! Rubbish!
Son: (sighs with despair) Well, I don't think you can discount the whole of Western Civilisation just because they borrowed the word shampoo.
For two days, an airport is shut down. The drone (or drones) is not shot out of the sky but just stops appearing. No individual or group claims responsibility. The operator is not, as far as we know, found and arrested. And yet from one day to the next, the airport is declared safe for flying.
It is most odd.
High tech drone detection and tracking systems have been installed and effectively negates the drone
It is likely the company who have developed this tech will be in line for billions of pounds worth of contracts worldwide
Perhaps it's them operating the drone...
I know you display amazing cynicism but that is a step too far
No, I am not a cynic. I have a healthy optimism concerning the human spirit. It is why I am a Lib Dem and a Remainer. Suspicious cynicism is no way to go through life, it rots the soul.
My comment was meant as a joke! I do not seriously think that drone defence systems are running a protection racket.
Maybe I was a bit unfair Dr Foxy and let us all hope that the disaster that is Brexit is resolved to the approval of a majority
May you have a wonderful christmas and may we all have a great 2019 either with the WDA now on offer or we remain
I have drawn the short straw at work so have a fairly busy week of emergency duties. Generally it goes a bit quieter, but yours truly will need to be sober and available all week. As if to grind my nose in it, patients and colleagues keep giving me bottles of wine and whisky, much appreciated in the long term, but cruel in the meantime!
I actually think that despite all the huffing and puffing, Brexit will go with a whimper. Little will change, and both the hopes of the Brexiteers and the fears of the Remainers will be turn out to be greatly exagerrated. Indeed, so little will change that people will wonder what the point was. Probably the populists will be the most disappointed as the distressed towns and coast continue to languish in the doldrums.
My son in laws father called today and is really angry over brexit and is demanding a referendum
I have never heard him mention the subject or politics before and he added he would not be able to vote for any party at present
I expect the next 17 days will see a big move to remain and a referendum and brexit last, and only chance, is TM deal, but I doubt it will get past the amendments
My prediction for 2019 is an extension to A50, a referendum and conclusive vote to remain in the EU which will see a huge uplift in the economy from the early summer
If you could cease the frothing for a minute would you be so kind to explain why a vote to Remain would see 'a huge uplift in the economy from the early summer' ?
Even TM deal saw a boost to the pound, remain would not only see a boost to the pound but would unlock massive investment into the UK
It is the absolute reverse of no deal
A 'boost to the pound' would make it harder for both exporting businesses and the the UK tourism industry.
As to 'unlock massive investment' perhaps you could tell us how many billions you think that would be, who would be doing all this extra investing and which sectors of the UK economy would benefit.
Many billions and all sectors
Another meaningless comment.
So let me make it easy for you.
How much do you think business investment would increase if we Remain ?
1% ? 2% ? 5% ? 10% ?
10% plus
The biggest annual increase in business investment in recent years was 7% in 2012 and the average since 1997 has only been about 2%.
So with us due a cyclical recession you can forget about 10% let alone 10% plus.
And a 10% increase in business investment would amount to less than 1% of GDP in any case.
Funnily enough, I was thinking about this earlier today. Suppose we do have another referendum - say next October - and by then the economy is in recession. Do remainers promise to end the recession with a vote to remain in the EU?
A No Deal Brexit would in those circumstances be a secondary shock to a recession hit economy. A No Deal Brexit will wreck the economy, if the UK were in recession then it could well turn into a depression in those circumstances as further demand would be deferred by domestic consumers as well as the external shocks associated with Brexit.
I always ask myself would a no deal brexit be worse than the GFC? Seeing as that Nice Mr Carney tells me that the UK banks have piles of cash to fully support the economy, which they did not in the GFC, then my answer is no it will not.
What caused the GFC shouldn't happen given the capital adequacy requirements and splitting of bank operations.
The GFC wasn't a normal recession, there was no massive increases in interest rates or inflation.
A No Deal recession could see both of those as well as a seizure of the economy.
My son in laws father called today and is really angry over brexit and is demanding a referendum
I have never heard him mention the subject or politics before and he added he would not be able to vote for any party at present
I expect the next 17 days will see a big move to remain and a referendum and brexit last, and only chance, is TM deal, but I doubt it will get past the amendments
My prediction for 2019 is an extension to A50, a referendum and conclusive vote to remain in the EU which will see a huge uplift in the economy from the early summer
If you could cease the frothing for a minute would you be so kind to explain why a vote to Remain would see 'a huge uplift in the economy from the early summer' ?
Big G is not a "frother" - He is quite pragmatic on Brexit to be fair.
BigG froths on the basis of what he has most recently seen or heard.
For example a couple of months back he was in a fury about how the EU had treated May and wanted to Leave under any circumstances.
That was a long time ago. I am consistent that I support TM brexit or if not remain
Just because I detect a change in mood and express it does not make it wrong, though it does seem to upset you and I am sorry if it does
I'm not upset so there's no need for you to feel sorry.
But general moods tend to change more slowly than for those who excessively consume Sky News and BBC political programs.
If we get a united Ireland after a proper Brexit so be it.
Fair play to you for preferring that, but a lot of the harder Brexiters are seemingly in favour of the UK union, so should be more concerned at its break up.
The 'expert' on WATO was speculating that since they wouldn't have risked re-opening Gatwick purely because no-one had seen the drone for a while, they must have imported some of the anti-drone technology that Heathrow already has. But it appears not.
Just thinking back to the tumultuous year of 1989, the collapse of the Soviet Bloc and as a consequence the re-unification of Germany. Berlin Wall coming down, remember that? An event so globally momentous and joyful that only a concert on the scene, right there and then, by David Hasselhoff could carry the weight of it all.
And it got me wondering. Could we be seeing something similar with Ireland, 30 years later in 2019?
The Emerald Isle at long last intact and whole again, NI waving a cheery goodbye to the UK, embracing the prosperous South as the erstwhile Mother Ship, vandalized beyond repair by an angry and malevolent Hard Brexit, sinks slowly, majestically beneath the waves. Concert this time not Hasselhoff, obviously, but somebody like Ronan Keating or (if something a little more high brow is thought appropriate) Johnny Logan.
Unlikely? Sure. Vanishingly unlikely. But not impossible.
For two days, an airport is shut down. The drone (or drones) is not shot out of the sky but just stops appearing. No individual or group claims responsibility. The operator is not, as far as we know, found and arrested. And yet from one day to the next, the airport is declared safe for flying.
It is most odd.
High tech drone detection and tracking systems have been installed and effectively negates the drone
It is likely the company who have developed this tech will be in line for billions of pounds worth of contracts worldwide
Perhaps it's them operating the drone...
I know you display amazing cynicism but that is a step too far
No, I am not a cynic. I have a healthy optimism concerning the human spirit. It is why I am a Lib Dem and a Remainer. Suspicious cynicism is no way to go through life, it rots the soul.
My comment was meant as a joke! I do not seriously think that drone defence systems are running a protection racket.
Maybe I was a bit unfair Dr Foxy and let us all hope that the disaster that is Brexit is resolved to the approval of a majority
May you have a wonderful christmas and may we all have a great 2019 either with the WDA now on offer or we remain
I have drawn the short straw at work so have a fairly busy week of emergency duties. Generally it goes a bit quieter, but yours truly will need to be sober and available all week. As if to grind my nose in it, patients and colleagues keep giving me bottles of wine and whisky, much appreciated in the long term, but cruel in the meantime!
I actually think that despite all the huffing and puffing, Brexit will go with a whimper. Little will change, and both the hopes of the Brexiteers and the fears of the Remainers will be turn out to be greatly exagerrated. Indeed, so little will change that people will wonder what the point was. Probably the populists will be the most disappointed as the distressed towns and coast continue to languish in the doldrums.
All the best to you and yours.
I am sure the satisfaction you experience in undertaking your calling compensates for the downsides
I do so hope we emerge as a happier and more at ease with itself country in 2019
Best wishes for xmas and 2019 to all your family and friends
Just thinking back to the tumultuous year of 1989, the collapse of the Soviet Bloc and as a consequence the re-unification of Germany. Berlin Wall coming down, remember that? An event so globally momentous and joyful that only a concert on the scene, right there and then, by David Hasselhoff could carry the weight of it all.
And it got me wondering. Could we be seeing something similar with Ireland, 30 years later in 2019?
The Emerald Isle at long last intact and whole again, NI waving a cheery goodbye to the UK, embracing the prosperous South as the erstwhile Mother Ship, vandalized beyond repair by an angry and malevolent Hard Brexit, sinks slowly, majestically beneath the waves. Concert this time not Hasselhoff, obviously, but somebody like Ronan Keating or (if something a little more high brow is thought appropriate) Johnny Logan.
Unlikely? Sure. Vanishingly unlikely. But not impossible.
An analogy seemingly designed to upset those in support of the UK.
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If Brexiteers talk as glibly as you about “short term hiccups” you would be trying to lambast them. Pits and kettles, I think.
I don’t really think your ancestors are particularly relevant to this discussion.
With the government having borrowed a trillion quid to fund our desire of imported consumer tat and foreign holidays.
Edit - and of course the word 'uncle' is reserved for men who aren't your uncle!
It is the absolute reverse of no deal
My comment was meant as a joke! I do not seriously think that drone defence systems are running a protection racket.
My instinct is usually quite good
The sort of activity that has been going on in Ukraine for instance. Russia have changed the method of war by creating asymmetrical conflicts that seem to be inspired by terrorist type activity.
If it is Russian backed interference in our infrastructure, what can we do other than pile more sanctions on them and increase counter intelligence spending.
The UK is wide open to Russian interference, I hope OFCOM closes RT down as well! I say this in the knowledge that the World service will be shut down in Russia as well. Surely, the World Service should be replaced by something that actively promotes western values instead of being a balanced broadcast. Play them at their own game!
Over Gatwick, not the remainers on here :-)
May you have a wonderful christmas and may we all have a great 2019 either with the WDA now on offer or we remain
As to 'unlock massive investment' perhaps you could tell us how many billions you think that would be, who would be doing all this extra investing and which sectors of the UK economy would benefit.
For example a couple of months back he was in a fury about how the EU had treated May and wanted to Leave under any circumstances.
https://twitter.com/simongerman600/status/988436124963082241
* The child of my father's brother is my "first cousin"
* The child of my first cousin is my "first cousin once removed"
* The grandchild of my grandfather's brother is my "second cousin"
* The child of my second cousin is my "second cousin once removed"
You referred to "your son-in-law's father", who is the father of the man who married your daughter. I was wondering if there was a specific name for that relationship.
Please parliament, do not let us tumble in disarray out of the European Union.
Just because I detect a change in mood and express it does not make it wrong, though it does seem to upset you and I am sorry if it does
Edit: to answer your original question, my guess would be that NI consumption is marginally below the Republic, something in the 80-90 range.
Once the playground bully knows he has the best of you, he will keep coming back for more.
It sounds extreme, but once you have read Aleksander Dugin and understand how these people operate, it really is the only response. The weaker we look, the more the vultures (or the drones) will circle.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/zoetillman/james-wolfe-sentencing
"This court routinely sentences people who come from nothing, who have nothing, and whose life circumstances are such that they really don't have a realistic shot of doing anything other than committing crimes," Jackson said. "The unfortunate life circumstances of those defendants don't result in a lower penalty, so why should someone who had every chance of doing the right thing, a person who society rightly expects to live up to high moral and ethical standards and who has no excuse for breaking the law, be treated any better in this regard."
So let me make it easy for you.
How much do you think business investment would increase if we Remain ?
1% ? 2% ? 5% ? 10% ?
If Punjab fails us, what about Punjabi French?
I'd like to see that calibrated on that basis.
And after all, it is a description not unknown in Europe.
On a serious note Roger ask your friend which owls have red and blue lights :-)
Re-unification would mean - and can only mean - the current Republic of Ireland becoming part of the UK once again.
If, and it's a big if, Northern Ireland secedes from the UK and joins Eire, that would represent *at best* a Unification. Not a Re-Unification. Unless one considers the scant pre-9th century historical records that are extant to be not only accurate but comprehensive. Which would be pretty fucking retarded.
I had to ask my Mum, is a catch all term for the parents of the person your kids have married.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norland,_West_Yorkshire
Not terrifically healthy, I'll grant.
*Intel's Fab 24, for example.
They'd say the recession would be much deeper and longer if we Leave.
As an administrative region, there is much to be said for a Prince Bishopric.
And it would wind up both the royalists and republicans.
Son: (sighs with despair) Well, I don't think you can discount the whole of Western Civilisation just because they borrowed the word shampoo.
Father: Ah, not just shampoo. Also conditioner.
And of course the arrivistes of Leeds and Manchester might want to make a case.
I mean the curry is the national dish of the UK which delighted my mother, so yes you can use this word.
*I hold people who accuse others of cultural appropriation one rung below people who eat pineapple pizza and think Mark Reckless is a good egg.
"Amazon trying to deliver a package by drone to RH6 0NP, retrying after failing yesterday? "
Nah, it's the Greens, isn't it. Nothing's too stupid for them. Best execute the lot of them, think of the carbon dioxide emissions we'd save.
Without wishing to trivialise the crimes they've committed, the Russian government are playing a brilliant game.
We don't know the Gatwick Droner is the Russians. It could be eco-nutters, it could be 4chan for heaven's sake. But the Russians have played their cards in such a way as we think it might be them. For good reason - it could actually be them.
I think when the history books are written about this era, it will be said that the cold war didn't end, it merely changed shape.
The Russians have mastered postmodern warfare. Dugin and his disciples are what you get if you cross Baudrillard with Goebbels and give them the nihilistic bent of a sixteen year old who's just discovered Nietzsche and amphetamines.
They are fighting a superior war - muskets against our swords, machine guns against our rifles, tanks against our cavalry.
The history books may look back on this time as a time of war. One which, at present, the west is losing.
Has there ever been a theory more discredited than Fukuyama's?
I actually think that despite all the huffing and puffing, Brexit will go with a whimper. Little will change, and both the hopes of the Brexiteers and the fears of the Remainers will be turn out to be greatly exagerrated. Indeed, so little will change that people will wonder what the point was. Probably the populists will be the most disappointed as the distressed towns and coast continue to languish in the doldrums.
All the best to you and yours.
So with us due a cyclical recession you can forget about 10% let alone 10% plus.
And a 10% increase in business investment would amount to less than 1% of GDP in any case.
The GFC wasn't a normal recession, there was no massive increases in interest rates or inflation.
A No Deal recession could see both of those as well as a seizure of the economy.
But general moods tend to change more slowly than for those who excessively consume Sky News and BBC political programs.
And it got me wondering. Could we be seeing something similar with Ireland, 30 years later in 2019?
The Emerald Isle at long last intact and whole again, NI waving a cheery goodbye to the UK, embracing the prosperous South as the erstwhile Mother Ship, vandalized beyond repair by an angry and malevolent Hard Brexit, sinks slowly, majestically beneath the waves. Concert this time not Hasselhoff, obviously, but somebody like Ronan Keating or (if something a little more high brow is thought appropriate) Johnny Logan.
Unlikely? Sure. Vanishingly unlikely. But not impossible.
I do so hope we emerge as a happier and more at ease with itself country in 2019
Best wishes for xmas and 2019 to all your family and friends