politicalbetting.com » Blog Archive » New Northern Ireland polling suggests that a no deal Brexit could lead to what the IRA never achieved – a united Ireland
Generally speaking Northern Ireland gets ignored in national polls which are confined to England, Wales and Scotland. This is because the party structure in the province is very different with most people voting on sectarian lines.
Yes, probably it will unify. Soon? Depends how soon is soon, but more pressingly will the DUP and Brexit hardliners risk it? Yes. Not because they want unification, but because they don't believe it will happen no matter what they do, so they will do whatever they want.
It seems increasingly possible that May's deal will get through because the alternatives, No Deal or 2nd Ref, are too fraught.
But it's going to be hard for the DUP and ERG opponents to switch their positions without having some face-saver to hide behind. I just can't see where that face-saver will come from at the moment tbh.
Yes, probably it will unify. Soon? Depends how soon is soon, but more pressingly will the DUP and Brexit hardliners risk it? Yes. Not because they want unification, but because they don't believe it will happen no matter what they do, so they will do whatever they want.
The feedback loop that the DUP has grown up on is : intransigence equals concessions.
Which is one of those things which is true until it isn't.
It seems increasingly possible that May's deal will get through because the alternatives, No Deal or 2nd Ref, are too fraught.
But it's going to be hard for the DUP and ERG opponents to switch their positions without having some face-saver to hide behind. I just can't see where that face-saver will come from at the moment tbh.
Not when they've ruled out anything that is not along the lines of, say, legally binding changes to the WA. Having committed so fully against the WA I don't see how the DUP, ERG and Labour will be able to shift direction enough.
Mind you the Republic would be so badly damaged by a No Deal Brexit that they couldn't afford to take on the additional burden of Northern Ireland. It really would be a Lose-Lose-Lose-Lose scenario: for the UK, the EU generally, the Republic, and NI.
Mind you the Republic would be so badly damaged by a No Deal Brexit that they couldn't afford to take on the additional burden of Northern Ireland. It really would be a Lose-Lose-Lose-Lose scenario: for the UK, the EU generally, the Republic, and NI.
Brexit has shown there are more important things than money and GDP.
It seems increasingly possible that May's deal will get through because the alternatives, No Deal or 2nd Ref, are too fraught.
But it's going to be hard for the DUP and ERG opponents to switch their positions without having some face-saver to hide behind. I just can't see where that face-saver will come from at the moment tbh.
This is the problem - May is hoping, unlike Micawber, that something won't turn up and fear will do the rest. As I've always said, frightened people will sign away their sous not to be frightened any more.
IF the WA does fall, however, and May is determined there is to be No Deal, fine. Let her propose to the Commons the revocation of A50 and the cancelling of Brexit - let it be done in her name and that of the Conservative Party so every LEAVE voter will know exactly who to blame for us still being in the EU.
It seems increasingly possible that May's deal will get through because the alternatives, No Deal or 2nd Ref, are too fraught.
But it's going to be hard for the DUP and ERG opponents to switch their positions without having some face-saver to hide behind. I just can't see where that face-saver will come from at the moment tbh.
Not when they've ruled out anything that is not along the lines of, say, legally binding changes to the WA. Having committed so fully against the WA I don't see how the DUP, ERG and Labour will be able to shift direction enough.
By quiet use of judicious abstention.
By the way, on the figures of the NI Poll, the DUP would do best to back remain. I think the two issues need to be kept separate. It is quite possible to be a conscientious Leaver while also respecting Ireland's and NIs right to self determination
Mind you the Republic would be so badly damaged by a No Deal Brexit that they couldn't afford to take on the additional burden of Northern Ireland. It really would be a Lose-Lose-Lose-Lose scenario: for the UK, the EU generally, the Republic, and NI.
True, but for similar reasons to why many Brexiteers feel Brexit is worth any price, a lot of Irish people would have a similar attitude.
Plus much of the country would qualify for all that lovely Objective 1 EU funding again!
It seems increasingly possible that May's deal will get through because the alternatives, No Deal or 2nd Ref, are too fraught.
But it's going to be hard for the DUP and ERG opponents to switch their positions without having some face-saver to hide behind. I just can't see where that face-saver will come from at the moment tbh.
Not when they've ruled out anything that is not along the lines of, say, legally binding changes to the WA. Having committed so fully against the WA I don't see how the DUP, ERG and Labour will be able to shift direction enough.
By quiet use of judicious abstention.
They still need to justify how they can allow something so terrible to pass when they could have prevented it. That is not easy for them.
A GB poll asking people if they care what happens to NI would be interesting.
I suspect 'it's up to them' would be the majority view.
I think that would probably be the case of a poll of English voters about Scotland. Although in that case perhaps with frustrated overtones of "but they need to make their bloody minds up".
Presumably the GFA specifies the criteria of when the U.K. Gov believes that a border poll would be likely to lead to a result in favour of Orish reunification. It can’t simply be a one off poll speculating on Brexit.
If the criteria are satisfied, the Gov should hold that border poll. It might well make life more complicated within GB, making a GE inevitable and possibly increasing the likelihood of Scottish independence but honouring the GFA is what has made the backstop such a mess.
The Gov can’t very well say it is honouring it’s obligations under the GFA by proposing a backstop if it doesn’t honour its obligation to hold a border poll.
The fact that the ROI can’t possibly integrate the North will change many prople’s minds I suspect
Problem is, such judgements are made in retrospect. Watching it in the 90's it was not very good for much of its run: it was only in the later series it got good.
Mind you the Republic would be so badly damaged by a No Deal Brexit that they couldn't afford to take on the additional burden of Northern Ireland. It really would be a Lose-Lose-Lose-Lose scenario: for the UK, the EU generally, the Republic, and NI.
True, but for similar reasons to why many Brexiteers feel Brexit is worth any price, a lot of Irish people would have a similar attitude.
Plus much of the country would qualify for all that lovely Objective 1 EU funding again!
Who is going to pay that out once the EU loses the U.K. contributions. There is already a budget row between contributor nations and recipient over that.
Mr. Code, that is fair. Some of the earlier episodes were ropey, but that was true of TNG as well. And the premise of Voyager getting dragged to the Delta Quadrant was, ahem, of questionable value.
Mind you the Republic would be so badly damaged by a No Deal Brexit that they couldn't afford to take on the additional burden of Northern Ireland. It really would be a Lose-Lose-Lose-Lose scenario: for the UK, the EU generally, the Republic, and NI.
True, but for similar reasons to why many Brexiteers feel Brexit is worth any price, a lot of Irish people would have a similar attitude.
Plus much of the country would qualify for all that lovely Objective 1 EU funding again!
Who is going to pay that out once the EU loses the U.K. contributions. There is already a budget row between contributor nations and recipient over that.
Brexiteers should be able to understand that it is not just about money. Voting for a result that makes people poorer is far from impossible.
Maybe what NI needs is a good dose of the Celtic tiger economy.
Mind you the Republic would be so badly damaged by a No Deal Brexit that they couldn't afford to take on the additional burden of Northern Ireland. It really would be a Lose-Lose-Lose-Lose scenario: for the UK, the EU generally, the Republic, and NI.
True, but for similar reasons to why many Brexiteers feel Brexit is worth any price, a lot of Irish people would have a similar attitude.
Plus much of the country would qualify for all that lovely Objective 1 EU funding again!
Who is going to pay that out once the EU loses the U.K. contributions. There is already a budget row between contributor nations and recipient over that.
Brexiteers should be able to understand that it is not just about money. Voting for a result that makes people poorer is far from impossible.
Maybe what NI needs is a good dose of the Celtic tiger economy.
Problem is, such judgements are made in retrospect. Watching it in the 90's it was not very good for much of its run: it was only in the later series it got good.
It is probably "my" era trek, watching as a young boy (I was a bit too young for TNG). But even watching it as an adult, surely Season 1 DS9 looks infinitely better than Season 1 TNG - which was a bit hammy and unsure of itself (and had that awfully racist episode "Code of Honor" which must have looked dated by 1987 standards, let alone 2018). DS9 was gritty from the start. Sisko showing up on the broken and war torn space station to meet a first officer who doesn't trust him and a security chief who outright disrespects him. DS9 was ahead of its time in a way that TNG never was.
Also it had Garak, who was the best supporting character of any series.
Mind you the Republic would be so badly damaged by a No Deal Brexit that they couldn't afford to take on the additional burden of Northern Ireland. It really would be a Lose-Lose-Lose-Lose scenario: for the UK, the EU generally, the Republic, and NI.
True, but for similar reasons to why many Brexiteers feel Brexit is worth any price, a lot of Irish people would have a similar attitude.
Plus much of the country would qualify for all that lovely Objective 1 EU funding again!
Who is going to pay that out once the EU loses the U.K. contributions. There is already a budget row between contributor nations and recipient over that.
Brexiteers should be able to understand that it is not just about money. Voting for a result that makes people poorer is far from impossible.
Maybe what NI needs is a good dose of the Celtic tiger economy.
Great - but withthe ROI debt burden, EU regulation increasing and focus on “the project” and a shrinking world economy that seems unlikely.
Just before his death he told us he was working part-time as a kitchen porter, and working towards getting into full-time employment. We were also helping him to get into a night shelter whilst he secured a full-time job.
Deep Space 9 had Dr Julian Bashir, Section 31, far too many Ferengi, an inordinate number of episodes on the holodeck and in mirror worlds and all the Bajoran mumbo jumbo. Not the best for me.
Mind you the Republic would be so badly damaged by a No Deal Brexit that they couldn't afford to take on the additional burden of Northern Ireland.
That is undoubtedly the case.
Yep - “the Project” is if you are a committed europhile. Give the people of NI the choice. If they vote for a United Ireland, and the ROI has an unqualified obligation to unify the two parts, unification and the problems that come with it becomes their problem.
If not, NI is very welcome to stay in the U.K, at least as far as I am concerned. That’s democracy.
For two days, an airport is shut down. The drone (or drones) is not shot out of the sky but just stops appearing. No individual or group claims responsibility. The operator is not, as far as we know, found and arrested. And yet from one day to the next, the airport is declared safe for flying.
Problem is, such judgements are made in retrospect. Watching it in the 90's it was not very good for much of its run: it was only in the later series it got good.
Mrs J has never seen it (although she's really into sci-fi, Star Trek never really appealed). A while back we watched DS9's first episode, and it was absolutely, hideously pants. She has no desire to watch the rest; a shame, as I remember much of it being good (at least by Star Trek's standards.
If you want really bad sci-fi though, look no further than Doctor Who. We recently watched the first episode of the new series and it stank. Nothing to do with the person playing the doctor; just the writing. It was nonsense from start to finish.
Mind you the Republic would be so badly damaged by a No Deal Brexit that they couldn't afford to take on the additional burden of Northern Ireland. It really would be a Lose-Lose-Lose-Lose scenario: for the UK, the EU generally, the Republic, and NI.
True, but for similar reasons to why many Brexiteers feel Brexit is worth any price, a lot of Irish people would have a similar attitude.
Plus much of the country would qualify for all that lovely Objective 1 EU funding again!
Who is going to pay that out once the EU loses the U.K. contributions. There is already a budget row between contributor nations and recipient over that.
Brexiteers should be able to understand that it is not just about money. Voting for a result that makes people poorer is far from impossible.
Maybe what NI needs is a good dose of the Celtic tiger economy.
Great - but withthe ROI debt burden, EU regulation increasing and focus on “the project” and a shrinking world economy that seems unlikely.
Mind you the Republic would be so badly damaged by a No Deal Brexit that they couldn't afford to take on the additional burden of Northern Ireland. It really would be a Lose-Lose-Lose-Lose scenario: for the UK, the EU generally, the Republic, and NI.
Brexit has shown there are more important things than money and GDP.
Yep - “the Project” is for committed europhiles who have the faith. Give the people of NI the choice. If they vote for a United Oreland, and the ROI has an unqualified obligation to unify the two parts, unification and the problems that come with it, become their problem.
If not, NI is very welcome to stay in the U.K. in my opinion. That’s democracy.
Mind you the Republic would be so badly damaged by a No Deal Brexit that they couldn't afford to take on the additional burden of Northern Ireland. It really would be a Lose-Lose-Lose-Lose scenario: for the UK, the EU generally, the Republic, and NI.
There would be plenty of structural adjustment funds available if needed.
Mind you the Republic would be so badly damaged by a No Deal Brexit that they couldn't afford to take on the additional burden of Northern Ireland. It really would be a Lose-Lose-Lose-Lose scenario: for the UK, the EU generally, the Republic, and NI.
True, but for similar reasons to why many Brexiteers feel Brexit is worth any price, a lot of Irish people would have a similar attitude.
Plus much of the country would qualify for all that lovely Objective 1 EU funding again!
Who is going to pay that out once the EU loses the U.K. contributions. There is already a budget row between contributor nations and recipient over that.
Brexiteers should be able to understand that it is not just about money. Voting for a result that makes people poorer is far from impossible.
Maybe what NI needs is a good dose of the Celtic tiger economy.
Great - but withthe ROI debt burden, EU regulation increasing and focus on “the project” and a shrinking world economy that seems unlikely.
Mind you the Republic would be so badly damaged by a No Deal Brexit that they couldn't afford to take on the additional burden of Northern Ireland. It really would be a Lose-Lose-Lose-Lose scenario: for the UK, the EU generally, the Republic, and NI.
True, but for similar reasons to why many Brexiteers feel Brexit is worth any price, a lot of Irish people would have a similar attitude.
Plus much of the country would qualify for all that lovely Objective 1 EU funding again!
Who is going to pay that out once the EU loses the U.K. contributions. There is already a budget row between contributor nations and recipient over that.
Brexiteers should be able to understand that it is not just about money. Voting for a result that makes people poorer is far from impossible.
Maybe what NI needs is a good dose of the Celtic tiger economy.
Great - but withthe ROI debt burden, EU regulation increasing and focus on “the project” and a shrinking world economy that seems unlikely.
It is time the subsidy junkies in the North mended their ways.
Isn’t it mostly down to accounting tricks? Like all those airplanes that are registered in Ireland. Not really adding GDP, but they show up in the books.
For two days, an airport is shut down. The drone (or drones) is not shot out of the sky but just stops appearing. No individual or group claims responsibility. The operator is not, as far as we know, found and arrested. And yet from one day to the next, the airport is declared safe for flying.
For two days, an airport is shut down. The drone (or drones) is not shot out of the sky but just stops appearing. No individual or group claims responsibility. The operator is not, as far as we know, found and arrested. And yet from one day to the next, the airport is declared safe for flying.
It is most odd.
I've heard several people suggesting that the government was somehow behind it.
Mind you the Republic would be so badly damaged by a No Deal Brexit that they couldn't afford to take on the additional burden of Northern Ireland. It really would be a Lose-Lose-Lose-Lose scenario: for the UK, the EU generally, the Republic, and NI.
True, but for similar reasons to why many Brexiteers feel Brexit is worth any price, a lot of Irish people would have a similar attitude.
Plus much of the country would qualify for all that lovely Objective 1 EU funding again!
Who is going to pay that out once the EU loses the U.K. contributions. There is already a budget row between contributor nations and recipient over that.
Brexiteers should be able to understand that it is not just about money. Voting for a result that makes people poorer is far from impossible.
Maybe what NI needs is a good dose of the Celtic tiger economy.
Great - but withthe ROI debt burden, EU regulation increasing and focus on “the project” and a shrinking world economy that seems unlikely.
It is time the subsidy junkies in the North mended their ways.
That’s why the Republic’s debt burden per capita is higher than Greece’s is it.
But Ireland has the economic prospects to grow out of that debt, with a well educated English speaking workforce and high tech industries, plus a worldwide diaspora in support. It would be the best thing that has happened in Ireland for decades.
Mind you the Republic would be so badly damaged by a No Deal Brexit that they couldn't afford to take on the additional burden of Northern Ireland. It really would be a Lose-Lose-Lose-Lose scenario: for the UK, the EU generally, the Republic, and NI.
True, but for similar reasons to why many Brexiteers feel Brexit is worth any price, a lot of Irish people would have a similar attitude.
Plus much of the country would qualify for all that lovely Objective 1 EU funding again!
Who is going to pay that out once the EU loses the U.K. contributions. There is already a budget row between contributor nations and recipient over that.
Brexiteers should be able to understand that it is not just about money. Voting for a result that makes people poorer is far from impossible.
Maybe what NI needs is a good dose of the Celtic tiger economy.
Great - but withthe ROI debt burden, EU regulation increasing and focus on “the project” and a shrinking world economy that seems unlikely.
Mind you the Republic would be so badly damaged by a No Deal Brexit that they couldn't afford to take on the additional burden of Northern Ireland. It really would be a Lose-Lose-Lose-Lose scenario: for the UK, the EU generally, the Republic, and NI.
True, but for similar reasons to why many Brexiteers feel Brexit is worth any price, a lot of Irish people would have a similar attitude.
Plus much of the country would qualify for all that lovely Objective 1 EU funding again!
Who is going to pay that out once the EU loses the U.K. contributions. There is already a budget row between contributor nations and recipient over that.
Brexiteers should be able to understand that it is not just about money. Voting for a result that makes people poorer is far from impossible.
Maybe what NI needs is a good dose of the Celtic tiger economy.
Great - but withthe ROI debt burden, EU regulation increasing and focus on “the project” and a shrinking world economy that seems unlikely.
It is time the subsidy junkies in the North mended their ways.
That’s why the Republic’s debt burden per capita is higher than Greece’s is it.
But Ireland has the economic prospects to grow out of that debt, with a well educated English speaking workforce and high tech industries, plus a worldwide diaspora in support. It would be the best thing that has happened in Ireland for decades.
Until the next eurozone crisis and they come cap in hand to the exchequer for another billion or two.
For two days, an airport is shut down. The drone (or drones) is not shot out of the sky but just stops appearing. No individual or group claims responsibility. The operator is not, as far as we know, found and arrested. And yet from one day to the next, the airport is declared safe for flying.
It is most odd.
I've heard several people suggesting that the government was somehow behind it.
For two days, an airport is shut down. The drone (or drones) is not shot out of the sky but just stops appearing. No individual or group claims responsibility. The operator is not, as far as we know, found and arrested. And yet from one day to the next, the airport is declared safe for flying.
It is most odd.
High tech drone detection and tracking systems have been installed and effectively negates the drone
It is likely the company who have developed this tech will be in line for billions of pounds worth of contracts worldwide
A united Ireland would be wonderful revenge on the DUP for backing Leave and acting as if they talk for the whole of NI.
It’s clear they want a hard border and are stupidly short sighted .
I had to laugh listening to LBC when a Leave caller rang up moaning they’re going to lose their freedom of movement and had wanted to retire to Spain ! Because of course some Brits think they’re special and stopping FOM was only going to be for EU nationals, all they had to do was wave their blue passport and the world was their oyster !
That’s the thing Leavers don’t understand , normally votes don’t remove other peoples rights but Brexit did and that’s why there’s no chance of the country coming together .
Brits will now be second class citizens of Europe , less rights and freedoms . Thank heavens my parents were born in an EU country and I can remain a proud citizen of the EU .
What a tragedy for those who aren’t that lucky especially younger people who were completely betrayed by many of their grandparents who should be utterly ashamed !
For two days, an airport is shut down. The drone (or drones) is not shot out of the sky but just stops appearing. No individual or group claims responsibility. The operator is not, as far as we know, found and arrested. And yet from one day to the next, the airport is declared safe for flying.
It is most odd.
High tech drone detection and tracking systems have been installed and effectively negates the drone
It is likely the company who have developed this tech will be in line for billions of pounds worth of contracts worldwide
For two days, an airport is shut down. The drone (or drones) is not shot out of the sky but just stops appearing. No individual or group claims responsibility. The operator is not, as far as we know, found and arrested. And yet from one day to the next, the airport is declared safe for flying.
It is most odd.
High tech drone detection and tracking systems have been installed and effectively negates the drone
It is likely the company who have developed this tech will be in line for billions of pounds worth of contracts worldwide
For two days, an airport is shut down. The drone (or drones) is not shot out of the sky but just stops appearing. No individual or group claims responsibility. The operator is not, as far as we know, found and arrested. And yet from one day to the next, the airport is declared safe for flying.
It is most odd.
I had wondered whether it is the Russians flexing their muscles and running a dry run for this type of thing. Putin has said he welcomes Brexit, his country may well have financed Leave.
It does not take a massive stretch of the imagination to wonder if he has plans to cripple the economy even more if a No Deal Brexit occurs. What better way for hostile states to the UK to cause further shocks to the economy than close all the big airports down with drones operated by Russian agents or private contractors? Its cost to them maybe £10,000 for the equipment and the man power very little. Its cost to our economy massive!
A No Deal Brexit will wreck the economy and the economic fallout will leave the UK less able to protect itself from hostile states.
For two days, an airport is shut down. The drone (or drones) is not shot out of the sky but just stops appearing. No individual or group claims responsibility. The operator is not, as far as we know, found and arrested. And yet from one day to the next, the airport is declared safe for flying.
It is most odd.
I had wondered whether it is the Russians flexing their muscles and running a dry run for this type of thing. Putin has said he welcomes Brexit, his country may well have financed Leave.
It does not take a massive stretch of the imagination to wonder if he has plans to cripple the economy even more if a No Deal Brexit occurs. What better way for hostile states to the UK to cause further shocks to the economy than close all the big airports down with drones operated by Russian agents or private contractors? Its cost to them maybe £10,000 for the equipment and the man power very little. Its cost to our economy massive!
A No Deal Brexit will wreck the economy and the economic fallout will leave the UK less able to protect itself from hostile states.
Mind you the Republic would be so badly damaged by a No Deal Brexit that they couldn't afford to take on the additional burden of Northern Ireland. It really would be a Lose-Lose-Lose-Lose scenario: for the UK, the EU generally, the Republic, and NI.
True, but for similar reasons to why many Brexiteers feel Brexit is worth any price, a lot of Irish people would have a similar attitude.
Plus much of the country would qualify for all that lovely Objective 1 EU funding again!
Who is going to pay that out once the EU loses the U.K. contributions. There is already a budget row between contributor nations and recipient over that.
Brexiteers should be able to understand that it is not just about money. Voting for a result that makes people poorer is far from impossible.
Maybe what NI needs is a good dose of the Celtic tiger economy.
Great - but withthe ROI debt burden, EU regulation increasing and focus on “the project” and a shrinking world economy that seems unlikely.
It is time the subsidy junkies in the North mended their ways.
That’s why the Republic’s debt burden per capita is higher than Greece’s is it.
But Ireland has the economic prospects to grow out of that debt, with a well educated English speaking workforce and high tech industries, plus a worldwide diaspora in support. It would be the best thing that has happened in Ireland for decades.
That’s why it’s national debt is increasing is it ? Against a backdrop of a shrinking world economy, higher EU contributions and possible access problems to U.K. markets, your optimism exceeds that of the most optimistic Brexiteers about Brexit.
Mind you the Republic would be so badly damaged by a No Deal Brexit that they couldn't afford to take on the additional burden of Northern Ireland. It really would be a Lose-Lose-Lose-Lose scenario: for the UK, the EU generally, the Republic, and NI.
True, but for similar reasons to why many Brexiteers feel Brexit is worth any price, a lot of Irish people would have a similar attitude.
Plus much of the country would qualify for all that lovely Objective 1 EU funding again!
Who is going to pay that out once the EU loses the U.K. contributions. There is already a budget row between contributor nations and recipient over that.
Brexiteers should be able to understand that it is not just about money. Voting for a result that makes people poorer is far from impossible.
Maybe what NI needs is a good dose of the Celtic tiger economy.
As you are such a fan of how the Celtic tiger runs their economy should we copy the real austerity they went through?
Talk to people from Ireland Foxy - you might be surprised by what you hear.
For two days, an airport is shut down. The drone (or drones) is not shot out of the sky but just stops appearing. No individual or group claims responsibility. The operator is not, as far as we know, found and arrested. And yet from one day to the next, the airport is declared safe for flying.
It is most odd.
I've heard several people suggesting that the government was somehow behind it.
Deep Space 9 had Dr Julian Bashir, Section 31, far too many Ferengi, an inordinate number of episodes on the holodeck and in mirror worlds and all the Bajoran mumbo jumbo. Not the best for me.
I liked the Jem Hadar and Weyoun though.
A Mirror Universe nearly killed me.
This scene, given the blatant sexual innuendo at the end.
My son in laws father called today and is really angry over brexit and is demanding a referendum
I have never heard him mention the subject or politics before and he added he would not be able to vote for any party at present
I expect the next 17 days will see a big move to remain and a referendum and brexit last, and only chance, is TM deal, but I doubt it will get past the amendments
My prediction for 2019 is an extension to A50, a referendum and conclusive vote to remain in the EU which will see a huge uplift in the economy from the early summer
For two days, an airport is shut down. The drone (or drones) is not shot out of the sky but just stops appearing. No individual or group claims responsibility. The operator is not, as far as we know, found and arrested. And yet from one day to the next, the airport is declared safe for flying.
It is most odd.
High tech drone detection and tracking systems have been installed and effectively negates the drone
It is likely the company who have developed this tech will be in line for billions of pounds worth of contracts worldwide
Mind you the Republic would be so badly damaged by a No Deal Brexit that they couldn't afford to take on the additional burden of Northern Ireland. It really would be a Lose-Lose-Lose-Lose scenario: for the UK, the EU generally, the Republic, and NI.
True, but for similar reasons to why many Brexiteers feel Brexit is worth any price, a lot of Irish people would have a similar attitude.
Plus much of the country would qualify for all that lovely Objective 1 EU funding again!
Who is going to pay that out once the EU loses the U.K. contributions. There is already a budget row between contributor nations and recipient over that.
Brexiteers should be able to understand that it is not just about money. Voting for a result that makes people poorer is far from impossible.
Maybe what NI needs is a good dose of the Celtic tiger economy.
Great - but withthe ROI debt burden, EU regulation increasing and focus on “the project” and a shrinking world economy that seems unlikely.
It is time the subsidy junkies in the North mended their ways.
That’s why the Republic’s debt burden per capita is higher than Greece’s is it.
But Ireland has the economic prospects to grow out of that debt, with a well educated English speaking workforce and high tech industries, plus a worldwide diaspora in support. It would be the best thing that has happened in Ireland for decades.
That’s why it’s national debt is increasing is it ? Against a backdrop of a shrinking world economy, higher EU contributions and possible access problems to U.K. markeys, your optimism exceeds that ofthe most optimistic Brexiteers about Brexit.
The world economy isn't shrinking.
Yes, there would be short term hiccups, and quite possibly some population movements*, but resolving the legacy of colonialism would be a step forward for both our islands.
*Some of my own ancestors were Irish Presbyterians from the 26 counties.
For two days, an airport is shut down. The drone (or drones) is not shot out of the sky but just stops appearing. No individual or group claims responsibility. The operator is not, as far as we know, found and arrested. And yet from one day to the next, the airport is declared safe for flying.
It is most odd.
I had wondered whether it is the Russians flexing their muscles and running a dry run for this type of thing. Putin has said he welcomes Brexit, his country may well have financed Leave.
It does not take a massive stretch of the imagination to wonder if he has plans to cripple the economy even more if a No Deal Brexit occurs. What better way for hostile states to the UK to cause further shocks to the economy than close all the big airports down with drones operated by Russian agents or private contractors? Its cost to them maybe £10,000 for the equipment and the man power very little. Its cost to our economy massive!
A No Deal Brexit will wreck the economy and the economic fallout will leave the UK less able to protect itself from hostile states.
They can do that with or without Brexit.
Yes, but it has more economic and psychological impact if a No Deal Brexit occurs.
Look to recent statements from the Chief officer of the Port of Dover on their inability to function in a hard Brexit. If you have all the ports gridlocked, then the airports are shutdown the economy will be severely impaired.
Given the UKs present relations with Russia it is not inconceivable that this sort of attack on our infrastructure might be co-ordinated with the biggest self-imposed hit to our economy in years.
Mind you the Republic would be so badly damaged by a No Deal Brexit that they couldn't afford to take on the additional burden of Northern Ireland. It really would be a Lose-Lose-Lose-Lose scenario: for the UK, the EU generally, the Republic, and NI.
True, but for similar reasons to why many Brexiteers feel Brexit is worth any price, a lot of Irish people would have a similar attitude.
Plus much of the country would qualify for all that lovely Objective 1 EU funding again!
Who is going to pay that out once the EU loses the U.K. contributions. There is already a budget row between contributor nations and recipient over that.
Brexiteers should be able to understand that it is not just about money. Voting for a result that makes people poorer is far from impossible.
Maybe what NI needs is a good dose of the Celtic tiger economy.
As you are such a fan of how the Celtic tiger runs their economy should we copy the real austerity they went through?
Talk to people from Ireland Foxy - you might be surprised by what you hear.
I think that there is a good case that the short sharp austerity in Ireland, Iceland, Spain etc is a better way of managing than the long term grinding austerity that the UK chose.
My son in laws father called today and is really angry over brexit and is demanding a referendum
I have never heard him mention the subject or politics before and he added he would not be able to vote for any party at present
I expect the next 17 days will see a big move to remain and a referendum and brexit last, and only chance, is TM deal, but I doubt it will get past the amendments
My prediction for 2019 is an extension to A50, a referendum and conclusive vote to remain in the EU which will see a huge uplift in the economy from the early summer
If you could cease the frothing for a minute would you be so kind to explain why a vote to Remain would see 'a huge uplift in the economy from the early summer' ?
My son in laws father called today and is really angry over brexit and is demanding a referendum
I have never heard him mention the subject or politics before and he added he would not be able to vote for any party at present
I expect the next 17 days will see a big move to remain and a referendum and brexit last, and only chance, is TM deal, but I doubt it will get past the amendments
My prediction for 2019 is an extension to A50, a referendum and conclusive vote to remain in the EU which will see a huge uplift in the economy from the early summer
If you could cease the frothing for a minute would you be so kind to explain why a vote to Remain would see 'a huge uplift in the economy from the early summer' ?
For two days, an airport is shut down. The drone (or drones) is not shot out of the sky but just stops appearing. No individual or group claims responsibility. The operator is not, as far as we know, found and arrested. And yet from one day to the next, the airport is declared safe for flying.
It is most odd.
High tech drone detection and tracking systems have been installed and effectively negates the drone
It is likely the company who have developed this tech will be in line for billions of pounds worth of contracts worldwide
Perhaps it's them operating the drone...
I know you display amazing cynicism but that is a step too far
For two days, an airport is shut down. The drone (or drones) is not shot out of the sky but just stops appearing. No individual or group claims responsibility. The operator is not, as far as we know, found and arrested. And yet from one day to the next, the airport is declared safe for flying.
It is most odd.
I had wondered whether it is the Russians flexing their muscles and running a dry run for this type of thing. Putin has said he welcomes Brexit, his country may well have financed Leave.
It does not take a massive stretch of the imagination to wonder if he has plans to cripple the economy even more if a No Deal Brexit occurs. What better way for hostile states to the UK to cause further shocks to the economy than close all the big airports down with drones operated by Russian agents or private contractors? Its cost to them maybe £10,000 for the equipment and the man power very little. Its cost to our economy massive!
A No Deal Brexit will wreck the economy and the economic fallout will leave the UK less able to protect itself from hostile states.
They can do that with or without Brexit.
Yes, but it has more economic and psychological impact if a No Deal Brexit occurs.
Look to recent statements from the Chief officer of the Port of Dover on their inability to function in a hard Brexit. If you have all the ports gridlocked, then the airports are shutdown the economy will be severely impaired.
Given the UKs present relations with Russia it is not inconceivable that this sort of attack on our infrastructure might be co-ordinated with the biggest self-imposed hit to our economy in years.
In my opinion it is more likely to be a non-state actor. I’m not sure what the response would be if it was found to be the Russians. Would be totally unacceptable.
My son in laws father called today and is really angry over brexit and is demanding a referendum
I have never heard him mention the subject or politics before and he added he would not be able to vote for any party at present
I expect the next 17 days will see a big move to remain and a referendum and brexit last, and only chance, is TM deal, but I doubt it will get past the amendments
My prediction for 2019 is an extension to A50, a referendum and conclusive vote to remain in the EU which will see a huge uplift in the economy from the early summer
It is a bold prediction, but I dont think much will happen. May will run down the clock and we will No Deal. It will be bad but not the rat eating zombie holocaust of our more exciteable press.
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No wonder Putin backs Brexit.
Star Trek is always right, a vast political and military union and alliance is the way to go.
But it's going to be hard for the DUP and ERG opponents to switch their positions without having some face-saver to hide behind. I just can't see where that face-saver will come from at the moment tbh.
Must I remind you Starfleet’s finest captain was a Frenchman.
Which is one of those things which is true until it isn't.
I suspect 'it's up to them' would be the majority view.
IF the WA does fall, however, and May is determined there is to be No Deal, fine. Let her propose to the Commons the revocation of A50 and the cancelling of Brexit - let it be done in her name and that of the Conservative Party so every LEAVE voter will know exactly who to blame for us still being in the EU.
By quiet use of judicious abstention.
By the way, on the figures of the NI Poll, the DUP would do best to back remain. I think the two issues need to be kept separate. It is quite possible to be a conscientious Leaver while also respecting Ireland's and NIs right to self determination
Plus much of the country would qualify for all that lovely Objective 1 EU funding again!
If the criteria are satisfied, the Gov should hold that border poll. It might well make life more complicated within GB, making a GE inevitable and possibly increasing the likelihood of Scottish independence but honouring the GFA is what has made the backstop such a mess.
The Gov can’t very well say it is honouring it’s obligations under the GFA by proposing a backstop if it doesn’t honour its obligation to hold a border poll.
The fact that the ROI can’t possibly integrate the North will change many prople’s minds I suspect
Perhaps Kirk is better than Picard on one front.
That’s why Wales voted Leave is it ?
Maybe what NI needs is a good dose of the Celtic tiger economy.
Mr Dancer, Duet was the best episode in the first season by far.
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Because consumption per head in the UK is at 114 compared with 93 in the RoI (100 being the EU average):
https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/inflationandpriceindices/bulletins/consumptionperhead/2018
Also it had Garak, who was the best supporting character of any series.
But I mainly wanted to say how much I enjoyed your previous thread header. Thank you.
https://www.connection-at-stmartins.org.uk/news-item/condolences-for-gyula-remes/
Just before his death he told us he was working part-time as a kitchen porter, and working towards getting into full-time employment. We were also helping him to get into a night shelter whilst he secured a full-time job.
I liked the Jem Hadar and Weyoun though.
Yep - “the Project” is if you are a committed europhile. Give the people of NI the choice. If they vote for a United Ireland, and the ROI has an unqualified obligation to unify the two parts, unification and the problems that come with it becomes their problem.
If not, NI is very welcome to stay in the U.K, at least as far as I am concerned. That’s democracy.
Mr. Meeks, yeah, the Ferengi nonsense wasn't great. But nothing's perfect.
Well. Maybe the fourth series of Babylon 5.
For two days, an airport is shut down. The drone (or drones) is not shot out of the sky but just stops appearing. No individual or group claims responsibility. The operator is not, as far as we know, found and arrested. And yet from one day to the next, the airport is declared safe for flying.
It is most odd.
If you want really bad sci-fi though, look no further than Doctor Who. We recently watched the first episode of the new series and it stank. Nothing to do with the person playing the doctor; just the writing. It was nonsense from start to finish.
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/ireland-forecast-to-record-highest-gdp-growth-in-europe-this-year-1.3562629?mode=amp
It is time the subsidy junkies in the North mended their ways.
If not, NI is very welcome to stay in the U.K. in my opinion. That’s democracy.
After all, we won't be able to buy tickets in it after March 29th will we?
We're definitely not being told something.
Though those people are less sure as to why.
It is likely the company who have developed this tech will be in line for billions of pounds worth of contracts worldwide
It’s clear they want a hard border and are stupidly short sighted .
I had to laugh listening to LBC when a Leave caller rang up moaning they’re going to lose their freedom of movement and had wanted to retire to Spain ! Because of course some Brits think they’re special and stopping FOM was only going to be for EU nationals, all they had to do was wave their blue passport and the world was their oyster !
That’s the thing Leavers don’t understand , normally votes don’t remove other peoples rights but Brexit did and that’s why there’s no chance of the country coming together .
Brits will now be second class citizens of Europe , less rights and freedoms . Thank heavens my parents were born in an EU country and I can remain a proud citizen of the EU .
What a tragedy for those who aren’t that lucky especially younger people who were completely betrayed by many of their grandparents who should be utterly ashamed !
It does not take a massive stretch of the imagination to wonder if he has plans to cripple the economy even more if a No Deal Brexit occurs. What better way for hostile states to the UK to cause further shocks to the economy than close all the big airports down with drones operated by Russian agents or private contractors? Its cost to them maybe £10,000 for the equipment and the man power very little. Its cost to our economy massive!
A No Deal Brexit will wreck the economy and the economic fallout will leave the UK less able to protect itself from hostile states.
As you are such a fan of how the Celtic tiger runs their economy should we copy the real austerity they went through?
Talk to people from Ireland Foxy - you might be surprised by what you hear.
Here's someone else who caused chaos at Gatwick:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xs3Rvtk4_14
This scene, given the blatant sexual innuendo at the end.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOkN9dxzCWg
I have never heard him mention the subject or politics before and he added he would not be able to vote for any party at present
I expect the next 17 days will see a big move to remain and a referendum and brexit last, and only chance, is TM deal, but I doubt it will get past the amendments
My prediction for 2019 is an extension to A50, a referendum and conclusive vote to remain in the EU which will see a huge uplift in the economy from the early summer
https://www.timesofisrael.com/uk-army-said-to-use-israeli-made-system-to-end-drone-chaos-at-london-airport/
Is there a word for this relationship?
Yes, there would be short term hiccups, and quite possibly some population movements*, but resolving the legacy of colonialism would be a step forward for both our islands.
*Some of my own ancestors were Irish Presbyterians from the 26 counties.
Look to recent statements from the Chief officer of the Port of Dover on their inability to function in a hard Brexit. If you have all the ports gridlocked, then the airports are shutdown the economy will be severely impaired.
Given the UKs present relations with Russia it is not inconceivable that this sort of attack on our infrastructure might be co-ordinated with the biggest self-imposed hit to our economy in years.
How incompetent are the "powers that be".