Totally o/t ....more sports need to embrace the NFL’s red zone concept. It is just wall to wall action for the YouTube generation and ultimately they can switch to the really exciting tight games.
I suggest you check out what the MPs/party who are propping up Theresa May have said about Catholics.
Just because the DUP have done something, I shouldn't comment when the chair of the Labour conference does something anti-Catholic?
Really????
Perhaps you'll direct me to your posts criticising the DUP for their anti-Catholic bigotry.
What a strange world you live in. I used to have respect for you and your contributions to this site. An attitude like this diminishes that.
You have no idea as to my views on the DUP. As far as I am aware, there has not been a thread where making comments on specific incidents relating to the DUP would have been relevant.
We are in the middle of the Labour conference where the Chair of that conference has made a anti-Catholic comment. It is absolutely worthy of comment in and of itself.
Is asking someone whether they have crossed themselves anti-Catholic bigotry?
It certainly seems an odd remark, but hardly calling the Pope the AntiChrist!
Yo Foxy I ended up in Chutney Ivy yesterday after the Akram Khan performance and I have to say I should have taken your advice and gone to Kayal.
It was not brilliant although the fault was probably in the ordering. Then again Khan and his company "joined" us in the restaurant also. Which was nice.
I hear it was a very moving production. I am a regular at the Curve, but Leicester City were at home, so got priority. It has built a great reputation over the decade. I did wonder if there would be enough support in Leicester for such good theatre, but underestimated my adopted home.
Chutney Ivy is OK, but nothing special. The Exchange pub opposite is generally a good place to meet the cast after the show.
Back in 1994 when the Loyalist Paramilitary the UDA came up with a Doomsday plan in the event of a British withdrawal from Northern Ireland. The plan discussed taking Catholic hostages as part of creating a Protestant Homeland. The ”Doomsday” scenario recognises there would be large numbers of Catholics left within the Protestant homeland and offers three chilling options on dealing with them — expulsion, internment, or nullification.
Current DUP MP Sammy Wilson described the Doomsday plan as ”a very valuable return to reality”.
Back in 1994 when the Loyalist Paramilitary the UDA came up with a Doomsday plan in the event of a British withdrawal from Northern Ireland. The plan discussed taking Catholic hostages as part of creating a Protestant Homeland. The ”Doomsday” scenario recognises there would be large numbers of Catholics left within the Protestant homeland and offers three chilling options on dealing with them — expulsion, internment, or nullification.
Current DUP MP Sammy Wilson described the Doomsday plan as ”a very valuable return to reality”.
I suggest you check out what the MPs/party who are propping up Theresa May have said about Catholics.
Just because the DUP have done something, I shouldn't comment when the chair of the Labour conference does something anti-Catholic?
Really????
Perhaps you'll direct me to your posts criticising the DUP for their anti-Catholic bigotry.
What a strange world you live in. I used to have respect for you and your contributions to this site. An attitude like this diminishes that.
You have no idea as to my views on the DUP. As far as I am aware, there has not been a thread where making comments on specific incidents relating to the DUP would have been relevant.
We are in the middle of the Labour conference where the Chair of that conference has made a anti-Catholic comment. It is absolutely worthy of comment in and of itself.
Is asking someone whether they have crossed themselves anti-Catholic bigotry?
It certainly seems an odd remark, but hardly calling the Pope the AntiChrist!
Yo Foxy I ended up in Chutney Ivy yesterday after the Akram Khan performance and I have to say I should have taken your advice and gone to Kayal.
It was not brilliant although the fault was probably in the ordering. Then again Khan and his company "joined" us in the restaurant also. Which was nice.
I hear it was a very moving production. I am a regular at the Curve, but Leicester City were at home, so got priority. It has built a great reputation over the decade. I did wonder if there would be enough support in Leicester for such good theatre, but underestimated my adopted home.
Chutney Ivy is OK, but nothing special. The Exchange pub opposite is generally a good place to meet the cast after the show.
Yes super moving his last full length performance in the UK plus he was at De Montfort plus he told us that a son of a friend, one of Chutney Ivy's owners, had died recently.
I'm a big Akram Khan fan it's the second time I've seen Xenos and I'm wondering whether to see Dust for a second time at Saddlers Wells this week.
Back in 1994 when the Loyalist Paramilitary the UDA came up with a Doomsday plan in the event of a British withdrawal from Northern Ireland. The plan discussed taking Catholic hostages as part of creating a Protestant Homeland. The ”Doomsday” scenario recognises there would be large numbers of Catholics left within the Protestant homeland and offers three chilling options on dealing with them — expulsion, internment, or nullification.
Current DUP MP Sammy Wilson described the Doomsday plan as ”a very valuable return to reality”.
Back in 1994 when the Loyalist Paramilitary the UDA came up with a Doomsday plan in the event of a British withdrawal from Northern Ireland. The plan discussed taking Catholic hostages as part of creating a Protestant Homeland. The ”Doomsday” scenario recognises there would be large numbers of Catholics left within the Protestant homeland and offers three chilling options on dealing with them — expulsion, internment, or nullification.
Current DUP MP Sammy Wilson described the Doomsday plan as ”a very valuable return to reality”.
Indeed. Yet he proposed it in all seriousness I believe. A true ‘only on PB’ moment.
No I did not propose ethnic cleansing, Antrim already has a clear Protestant and Unionist majority and Down also has a Protestant and Unionist majority, though inevitably some of the Catholics there would move to the expanded Republic of Ireland if it came about
Back in 1994 when the Loyalist Paramilitary the UDA came up with a Doomsday plan in the event of a British withdrawal from Northern Ireland. The plan discussed taking Catholic hostages as part of creating a Protestant Homeland. The ”Doomsday” scenario recognises there would be large numbers of Catholics left within the Protestant homeland and offers three chilling options on dealing with them — expulsion, internment, or nullification.
Current DUP MP Sammy Wilson described the Doomsday plan as ”a very valuable return to reality”.
Indeed. Yet he proposed it in all seriousness I believe. A true ‘only on PB’ moment.
No I did not propose ethnic cleansing, Antrim already has a clear Protestant and Unionist majority and Down also has a Protestant and Unionist majority, though inevitably some of the Catholics there would move to the expanded Republic of Ireland if it came about
I'm surprised there is not more discussion on here this afternoon/evening about Labour and a People's Vote.
Given that Corbyn has confirmed he would support one if the Labour conference voted for it, and polls indicate around 85% of members support it, (and thanks to the Unions Brexit will in fact be discussed), surely we must assume it will soon become official Labour policy?
I suggest you check out what the MPs/party who are propping up Theresa May have said about Catholics.
Just because the DUP have done something, I shouldn't comment when the chair of the Labour conference does something anti-Catholic?
Really????
Perhaps you'll direct me to your posts criticising the DUP for their anti-Catholic bigotry.
What a strange world you live in. I used to have respect for you and your contributions to this site. An attitude like this diminishes that.
You have no idea as to my views on the DUP. As far as I am aware, there has not been a thread where making comments on specific incidents relating to the DUP would have been relevant.
We are in the middle of the Labour conference where the Chair of that conference has made a anti-Catholic comment. It is absolutely worthy of comment in and of itself.
Tory xenophobes do not like to be reminded that they are propped up by the DUP, they are happy to sup with the devil if it keeps them in power.
The SNP would never do that eh......
Who have they ever paid to keep them in power smartarse
Ever done any deals with the evil Tories have they Malc?
Mr. Stopper, the political and media class were on the losing side. .
Sorry, Mr Dancer, but this is clearly an absurd claim. 80% of the British print media and their backers supported leave, a message inadvertently amplified by a BBC straining for 'balance" between predominant sceptic points of view, and a vastly potent media effort on social media funded transatlantically, running into the billions of dollars / pounds.
Billions of dollars were spent on the EU referendum campaign?
If Carole Cadwalldr's research about Robert Mercer is correct, very possibly.
You must know that woman has been utterly discredited.
Four Observer front page articles about EU referendum expenses, each followed a week later by a correction for at least one serious factual error.
I'm surprised there is not more discussion on here this afternoon/evening about Labour and a People's Vote.
Given that Corbyn has confirmed he would support one if the Labour conference voted for it, and polls indicate around 85% of members support it, (and thanks to the Unions Brexit will in fact be discussed), surely we must assume it will soon become official Labour policy?
The motion is probably only going to say "a second referendum will be kept on the table", i.e. committing the leadership to the square-root of f-all. Atleast I hope.
I'm surprised there is not more discussion on here this afternoon/evening about Labour and a People's Vote.
Given that Corbyn has confirmed he would support one if the Labour conference voted for it, and polls indicate around 85% of members support it, (and thanks to the Unions Brexit will in fact be discussed), surely we must assume it will soon become official Labour policy?
The motion is probably only going to say "a second referendum will be kept on the table", i.e. committing the leadership to the square-root of f-all. Atleast I hope.
And Uncle Len has specifically said Remain shouldn’t be on any ballot.
I suggest you check out what the MPs/party who are propping up Theresa May have said about Catholics.
Just because the DUP have done something, I shouldn't comment when the chair of the Labour conference does something anti-Catholic?
Really????
Perhaps you'll direct me to your posts criticising the DUP for their anti-Catholic bigotry.
What a strange world you live in. I used to have respect for you and your contributions to this site. An attitude like this diminishes that.
You have no idea as to my views on the DUP. As far as I am aware, there has not been a thread where making comments on specific incidents relating to the DUP would have been relevant.
We are in the middle of the Labour conference where the Chair of that conference has made a anti-Catholic comment. It is absolutely worthy of comment in and of itself.
Tory xenophobes do not like to be reminded that they are propped up by the DUP, they are happy to sup with the devil if it keeps them in power.
The SNP would never do that eh......
Who have they ever paid to keep them in power smartarse
I suggest you check out what the MPs/party who are propping up Theresa May have said about Catholics.
Just because the DUP have done something, I shouldn't comment when the chair of the Labour conference does something anti-Catholic?
Really????
Perhaps you'll direct me to your posts criticising the DUP for their anti-Catholic bigotry.
What a strange world you live in. I used to have respect for you and your contributions to this site. An attitude like this diminishes that.
You have no idea as to my views on the DUP. As far as I am aware, there has not been a thread where making comments on specific incidents relating to the DUP would have been relevant.
We are in the middle of the Labour conference where the Chair of that conference has made a anti-Catholic comment. It is absolutely worthy of comment in and of itself.
Is asking someone whether they have crossed themselves anti-Catholic bigotry?
It certainly seems an odd remark, but hardly calling the Pope the AntiChrist!
The article said that his comment implied he wouldn’t have asked them to contribute if he knew they’d crossed themselves
Back in 1994 when the Loyalist Paramilitary the UDA came up with a Doomsday plan in the event of a British withdrawal from Northern Ireland. The plan discussed taking Catholic hostages as part of creating a Protestant Homeland. The ”Doomsday” scenario recognises there would be large numbers of Catholics left within the Protestant homeland and offers three chilling options on dealing with them — expulsion, internment, or nullification.
Current DUP MP Sammy Wilson described the Doomsday plan as ”a very valuable return to reality”.
I'm surprised there is not more discussion on here this afternoon/evening about Labour and a People's Vote.
Given that Corbyn has confirmed he would support one if the Labour conference voted for it, and polls indicate around 85% of members support it, (and thanks to the Unions Brexit will in fact be discussed), surely we must assume it will soon become official Labour policy?
Yes, but it sounds as though it will be pretty milquetoast in tone, obviously designed to not annoy any leave supporters while locking in remain supporters.
I suggest you check out what the MPs/party who are propping up Theresa May have said about Catholics.
Just because the DUP have done something, I shouldn't comment when the chair of the Labour conference does something anti-Catholic?
Really????
Perhaps you'll direct me to your posts criticising the DUP for their anti-Catholic bigotry.
What a strange world you live in. I used to have respect for you and your contributions to this site. An attitude like this diminishes that.
You have no idea as to my views on the DUP. As far as I am aware, there has not been a thread where making comments on specific incidents relating to the DUP would have been relevant.
We are in the middle of the Labour conference where the Chair of that conference has made a anti-Catholic comment. It is absolutely worthy of comment in and of itself.
Is asking someone whether they have crossed themselves anti-Catholic bigotry?
It certainly seems an odd remark, but hardly calling the Pope the AntiChrist!
The article said that his comment implied he wouldn’t have asked them to contribute if he knew they’d crossed themselves
I suggest you check out what the MPs/party who are propping up Theresa May have said about Catholics.
Just because the DUP have done something, I shouldn't comment when the chair of the Labour conference does something anti-Catholic?
Really????
Perhaps you'll direct me to your posts criticising the DUP for their anti-Catholic bigotry.
What a strange world you live in. I used to have respect for you and your contributions to this site. An attitude like this diminishes that.
You have no idea as to my views on the DUP. As far as I am aware, there has not been a thread where making comments on specific incidents relating to the DUP would have been relevant.
We are in the middle of the Labour conference where the Chair of that conference has made a anti-Catholic comment. It is absolutely worthy of comment in and of itself.
Is asking someone whether they have crossed themselves anti-Catholic bigotry?
It certainly seems an odd remark, but hardly calling the Pope the AntiChrist!
The article said that his comment implied he wouldn’t have asked them to contribute if he knew they’d crossed themselves
I was lucky enough to meet Ken Small, who campaigned to have one of the tanks lost in Exercise Tiger raised from the seabed. It can be found at Slapton Sands in Devon, which I believe is not too far from one of your gaffs.
One of the more bizarre - and not particularly nice - ways to die during WW2.
WWII tanks have been found in bogs as well - e.g. Belarus and Ukraine. Some in rather good condition.
One of my WWII books has a rather haunting picture in it. It was after the phoney war, when Germany stopped rescuing people from ships they had sunk or were about to sink. The photo was taken from a U-Boat, and shows one survivor of a merchant ship, standing on what looks like a palette. He was being left behind, probably with no more ships to rescue him.
Horrible and haunting. Perhaps more so for me, because my grandfather served in DEMS during WWII.
I was lucky enough to meet Ken Small, who campaigned to have one of the tanks lost in Exercise Tiger raised from the seabed. It can be found at Slapton Sands in Devon, which I believe is not too far from one of your gaffs.
It feels like in Switzerland, along with doing the shopping, the washing, getting the kids to sports, voting in a referendum is a regular part of weekend life...
Yes, though they group them every 3 months. Typically you might have one or two national issues and some local ones. I knew many families who would set aside an evening each quarter to study the arguments pro and con each issue. All households get a statement on each side and a commentary from the Government which may lean one way or the other (but is often ignored). Only 30-40% vote on the minor issues but the ones that do take it pretty seriously.
I was lucky enough to meet Ken Small, who campaigned to have one of the tanks lost in Exercise Tiger raised from the seabed. It can be found at Slapton Sands in Devon, which I believe is not too far from one of your gaffs.
Ken Small was quite a remarkable man; perhaps an archetypal British eccentric. RIP.
Not my gaff - my 9th cousin is current in residence there
Ah, fair enough. It's a lovely part of the world, and not too far from our 'summer residence' (aka caravan) during my childhood! I quite like Cockwood Harbour.
I was lucky enough to meet Ken Small, who campaigned to have one of the tanks lost in Exercise Tiger raised from the seabed. It can be found at Slapton Sands in Devon, which I believe is not too far from one of your gaffs.
Ken Small was quite a remarkable man; perhaps an archetypal British eccentric. RIP.
Not my gaff - my 9th cousin is current in residence there
Ah, fair enough. It's a lovely part of the world, and not too far from our 'summer residence' (aka caravan) during my childhood! I quite like Cockwood Harbour.
I still go from time to time - he’s close family after all!
The funny thing is, quite a lot of them voted Labour in 2017.
The rhetoric seems to have changed.
In 2017, Labour played down tax rises, claiming will only be on the super rich etc etc etc, while the Tories were busy scaring the shit out of people that if they lose their mind their home will be taken from them.
Seems now Corbyn and McDonnell are going to be out and proud, higher taxes. It will be interesting to see how all the London folk, with their second homes in Cornwall, will like another £3k a year for starters. The main course is sure to be a hell of a lot more.
Perhaps, they will be fine with that, especially if they think Labour will stop Brexit, we will see.
I was lucky enough to meet Ken Small, who campaigned to have one of the tanks lost in Exercise Tiger raised from the seabed. It can be found at Slapton Sands in Devon, which I believe is not too far from one of your gaffs.
Ken Small was quite a remarkable man; perhaps an archetypal British eccentric. RIP.
Not my gaff - my 9th cousin is current in residence there
Ah, fair enough. It's a lovely part of the world, and not too far from our 'summer residence' (aka caravan) during my childhood! I quite like Cockwood Harbour.
I still go from time to time - he’s close family after all!
This is probably going to embarrass me to admit: I've got little (i.e. no) idea what this '9th cousin' thing is. I have cousins, uncles, aunts. Anything else confuses me, especially when the likes of 'twice removed gets added!': it makes me think there's been a family argument and they've been disowned ...
The election preparation leaks to the media is a message to the EU because the EU establishment do not want a Corbyn government. They don't fancy old style socialist economics.
As it is, some kind of scandal somewhere related to Westminster is likely to emerge that may shift the dial. We are due a story.
The funny thing is, quite a lot of them voted Labour in 2017.
The rhetoric seems to have changed.
In 2017, Labour played down tax rises, claiming will only be on the super rich etc etc etc, while the Tories were busy scaring the shit out of people that if they lose their mind their home will be taken from them.
Seems now Corbyn and McDonnell are going to be out and proud, higher taxes. It will be interesting to see how all the London folk, with their second homes in Cornwall, will like another £3k a year for starters. The main course is sure to be a hell of a lot more.
Perhaps, they will be fine with that, especially if they think Labour will stop Brexit, we will see.
Bash the rich may play better in marginals though...
Is that a bad thing? The rich and powerful have got away with murder with the rest of us suffer. Take FTSE 100 companies for example - incompetent and poorly performing CEOs get huge pay increases while the rest get derisory pay awards.
The funny thing is, quite a lot of them voted Labour in 2017.
The rhetoric seems to have changed.
In 2017, Labour played down tax rises, claiming will only be on the super rich etc etc etc, while the Tories were busy scaring the shit out of people that if they lose their mind their home will be taken from them.
Yet again, tediously, for the umpteenth time ... this is how the system works at the moment.
If you lose your mind (Parkinsons, Alzheimers), your home will be taken to pay nursing home fees (in England & Wales).
The policy was (I believe) introduced by the Blair Government.
Somehow, May managed to bungle things so spectacularly that hardly anyone understands that the changes she was proposing were a modest improvement for elderly dementia sufferers.
I was lucky enough to meet Ken Small, who campaigned to have one of the tanks lost in Exercise Tiger raised from the seabed. It can be found at Slapton Sands in Devon, which I believe is not too far from one of your gaffs.
Ken Small was quite a remarkable man; perhaps an archetypal British eccentric. RIP.
Not my gaff - my 9th cousin is current in residence there
Ah, fair enough. It's a lovely part of the world, and not too far from our 'summer residence' (aka caravan) during my childhood! I quite like Cockwood Harbour.
I still go from time to time - he’s close family after all!
This is probably going to embarrass me to admit: I've got little (i.e. no) idea what this '9th cousin' thing is. I have cousins, uncles, aunts. Anything else confuses me, especially when the likes of 'twice removed gets added!': it makes me think there's been a family argument and they've been disowned ...
Removed means of a different generation, so my first cousins children are my first cousins once remove.
The funny thing is, quite a lot of them voted Labour in 2017.
The rhetoric seems to have changed.
In 2017, Labour played down tax rises, claiming will only be on the super rich etc etc etc, while the Tories were busy scaring the shit out of people that if they lose their mind their home will be taken from them.
Yet again, tediously, for the umpteenth time ... this is how the system works at the moment.
If you lose your mind (Parkinsons, Alzheimers), your home will be taken to pay nursing home fees (in England & Wales).
The policy was (I believe) introduced by the Blair Government.
Somehow, May managed to bungle things so spectacularly that hardly anyone understands that the changes she was proposing were a modest improvement for elderly dementia sufferers.
I know, my point was the contrast in the manifestos / media coverage on them.
The funny thing is, quite a lot of them voted Labour in 2017.
The rhetoric seems to have changed.
In 2017, Labour played down tax rises, claiming will only be on the super rich etc etc etc, while the Tories were busy scaring the shit out of people that if they lose their mind their home will be taken from them.
Yet again, tediously, for the umpteenth time ... this is how the system works at the moment.
If you lose your mind (Parkinsons, Alzheimers), your home will be taken to pay nursing home fees (in England & Wales).
The policy was (I believe) introduced by the Blair Government.
Somehow, May managed to bungle things so spectacularly that hardly anyone understands that the changes she was proposing were a modest improvement for elderly dementia sufferers.
I know, my point was the contrast in the manifestos / media coverage on them.
The election preparation leaks to the media is a message to the EU because the EU establishment do not want a Corbyn government. They don't fancy old style socialist economics.
As it is, some kind of scandal somewhere related to Westminster is likely to emerge that may shift the dial. We are due a story.
If the 'dial' is for an election, then I wonder what sort of scandal might trigger one? I doubt it'd be a personal one about May; she seems too straitlaced to be inveigled in scandal (then again, we might have said the same about Major 25 years ago). I doubt any other Conservative being caught with his or her pants down would trigger an election. So, either a number of them, or a non-personal scandal related to politics (e.g. the cash-for-passport Hinduja mess).
So, might it be Boris, JRM, Hammond and Fox in an orgy with Russian prostitutes (male and female) whilst snorting coke and accepting brown envelopes from Moon-dwelling Nazis?
Than again, in Trump-world that's positively sane.
I was lucky enough to meet Ken Small, who campaigned to have one of the tanks lost in Exercise Tiger raised from the seabed. It can be found at Slapton Sands in Devon, which I believe is not too far from one of your gaffs.
Ken Small was quite a remarkable man; perhaps an archetypal British eccentric. RIP.
Not my gaff - my 9th cousin is current in residence there
Ah, fair enough. It's a lovely part of the world, and not too far from our 'summer residence' (aka caravan) during my childhood! I quite like Cockwood Harbour.
I still go from time to time - he’s close family after all!
This is probably going to embarrass me to admit: I've got little (i.e. no) idea what this '9th cousin' thing is. I have cousins, uncles, aunts. Anything else confuses me, especially when the likes of 'twice removed gets added!': it makes me think there's been a family argument and they've been disowned ...
We’re descended from 2 brothers, 9 generations ago. Our common ancestor died in about 1714
This is probably going to embarrass me to admit: I've got little (i.e. no) idea what this '9th cousin' thing is. I have cousins, uncles, aunts. Anything else confuses me, especially when the likes of 'twice removed gets added!': it makes me think there's been a family argument and they've been disowned ...
The child of a sibling of one of your parents is your first cousin The child of a first cousin is your first cousin once removed The grandchild of a first cousin is your first cousin twice removed And so on
The grandchild of a sibling of one of your grandparents is your second cousin The child of a second cousin is your second cousin once removed The grandchild of a second cousin is your second cousin twice removed And so on
The great-grandchild of a sibling of one of your great-grandparents is your third cousin The child of a third cousin is your third cousin once removed The grandchild of a third cousin is your third cousin twice removed And so on
The funny thing is, quite a lot of them voted Labour in 2017.
The rhetoric seems to have changed.
In 2017, Labour played down tax rises, claiming will only be on the super rich etc etc etc, while the Tories were busy scaring the shit out of people that if they lose their mind their home will be taken from them.
Seems now Corbyn and McDonnell are going to be out and proud, higher taxes. It will be interesting to see how all the London folk, with their second homes in Cornwall, will like another £3k a year for starters. The main course is sure to be a hell of a lot more.
Perhaps, they will be fine with that, especially if they think Labour will stop Brexit, we will see.
Bash the rich may play better in marginals though...
Maybe...it hasn't played well in places like the Midlands for a long time though, where more aspirational messages seem to work better. That is why Tony Blair did so well.
The free uni policy doesn't go against that, if anything is perfect for it.
Things have changed, maybe the mood music is right for soak the rich / upper middle class, we will see. But even in 2010 and 2015, where loads of anger about the bankers, the bankers, the bankers bonuses and the expense fiddling MPs, Ed Miliband much more modest tax and spend didn't go down well in the Midlands.
I was lucky enough to meet Ken Small, who campaigned to have one of the tanks lost in Exercise Tiger raised from the seabed. It can be found at Slapton Sands in Devon, which I believe is not too far from one of your gaffs.
Ken Small was quite a remarkable man; perhaps an archetypal British eccentric. RIP.
Not my gaff - my 9th cousin is current in residence there
Ah, fair enough. It's a lovely part of the world, and not too far from our 'summer residence' (aka caravan) during my childhood! I quite like Cockwood Harbour.
I still go from time to time - he’s close family after all!
This is probably going to embarrass me to admit: I've got little (i.e. no) idea what this '9th cousin' thing is. I have cousins, uncles, aunts. Anything else confuses me, especially when the likes of 'twice removed gets added!': it makes me think there's been a family argument and they've been disowned ...
Removed means of a different generation, so my first cousins children are my first cousins once remove.
Or at least that is what it means to me!
That’s right - and your first cousins once removed are your childrens’ second cousins
This is probably going to embarrass me to admit: I've got little (i.e. no) idea what this '9th cousin' thing is. I have cousins, uncles, aunts. Anything else confuses me, especially when the likes of 'twice removed gets added!': it makes me think there's been a family argument and they've been disowned ...
The child of a sibling of one of your parents is your first cousin The child of a first cousin is your first cousin once removed The grandchild of a first cousin is your first cousin twice removed And so on
The grandchild of a sibling of one of your grandparents is your second cousin The child of a second cousin is your second cousin once removed The grandchild of a second cousin is your second cousin twice removed And so on
The great-grandchild of a sibling of one of your great-grandparents is your third cousin The child of a third cousin is your third cousin once removed The grandchild of a third cousin is your third cousin twice removed And so on
Thanks to you, Charles and Foxy for the replies. But it seems rather pointless: if you can marry them without risk of jail or genetic deformity in any kids, then to all effects you're not related!
This is probably going to embarrass me to admit: I've got little (i.e. no) idea what this '9th cousin' thing is. I have cousins, uncles, aunts. Anything else confuses me, especially when the likes of 'twice removed gets added!': it makes me think there's been a family argument and they've been disowned ...
The child of a sibling of one of your parents is your first cousin The child of a first cousin is your first cousin once removed The grandchild of a first cousin is your first cousin twice removed And so on
The grandchild of a sibling of one of your grandparents is your second cousin The child of a second cousin is your second cousin once removed The grandchild of a second cousin is your second cousin twice removed And so on
The great-grandchild of a sibling of one of your great-grandparents is your third cousin The child of a third cousin is your third cousin once removed The grandchild of a third cousin is your third cousin twice removed And so on
Thanks to you, Charles and Foxy for the replies. But it seems rather pointless: if you can marry them without risk of jail or genetic deformity in any kids, then to all effects you're not related!
The funny thing is, quite a lot of them voted Labour in 2017.
The rhetoric seems to have changed.
In 2017, Labour played down tax rises, claiming will only be on the super rich etc etc etc, while the Tories were busy scaring the shit out of people that if they lose their mind their home will be taken from them.
Seems now Corbyn and McDonnell are going to be out and proud, higher taxes. It will be interesting to see how all the London folk, with their second homes in Cornwall, will like another £3k a year for starters. The main course is sure to be a hell of a lot more.
Perhaps, they will be fine with that, especially if they think Labour will stop Brexit, we will see.
Bash the rich may play better in marginals though...
Maybe...it hasn't played well in places like the Midlands for a long time though, where more aspirational messages seem to work better. That is why Tony Blair did so well.
The free uni policy doesn't go against that, if anything is perfect for it.
Things have changed, maybe the mood music is right for soak the rich / upper middle class, we will see. But even in 2010 and 2015, where loads of anger about the bankers, the bankers, the bankers bonuses and the expense fiddling MPs, Ed Miliband much more modest tax and spend didn't go down well in the Midlands.
It may play better when Brexit has not cured their ills.
I suggest you check out what the MPs/party who are propping up Theresa May have said about Catholics.
Just because the DUP have done something, I shouldn't comment when the chair of the Labour conference does something anti-Catholic?
Really????
Perhaps you'll direct me to your posts criticising the DUP for their anti-Catholic bigotry.
What a strange world you live in. I used to have respect for you and your contributions to this site. An attitude like this diminishes that.
You have no idea as to my views on the DUP. As far as I am aware, there has not been a thread where making comments on specific incidents relating to the DUP would have been relevant.
We are in the middle of the Labour conference where the Chair of that conference has made a anti-Catholic comment. It is absolutely worthy of comment in and of itself.
Tory xenophobes do not like to be reminded that they are propped up by the DUP, they are happy to sup with the devil if it keeps them in power.
The SNP would never do that eh......
Who have they ever paid to keep them in power smartarse
The election preparation leaks to the media is a message to the EU because the EU establishment do not want a Corbyn government. They don't fancy old style socialist economics.
As it is, some kind of scandal somewhere related to Westminster is likely to emerge that may shift the dial. We are due a story.
If the 'dial' is for an election, then I wonder what sort of scandal might trigger one? I doubt it'd be a personal one about May; she seems too straitlaced to be inveigled in scandal (then again, we might have said the same about Major 25 years ago). I doubt any other Conservative being caught with his or her pants down would trigger an election. So, either a number of them, or a non-personal scandal related to politics (e.g. the cash-for-passport Hinduja mess).
So, might it be Boris, JRM, Hammond and Fox in an orgy with Russian prostitutes (male and female) whilst snorting coke and accepting brown envelopes from Moon-dwelling Nazis?
Than again, in Trump-world that's positively sane.
Most of the senior Tories have been in the public spotlight for a long long time now. It would be very surprising if there was new super serious dirt that was only just coming to light*. I mean even the mega sexual harassment scandal that led to resignations, was for historic knee touching and watching porn. Seems very small beer in the current climate and I doubt if there had have been all the MeToo stuff it certainly wouldn't have caused Fallon to go as JHB was quite clear it wasn't an issue.
* Bonking Boris doesn't count...as he can never keep it in his trousers.
The funny thing is, quite a lot of them voted Labour in 2017.
The rhetoric seems to have changed.
In 2017, Labour played down tax rises, claiming will only be on the super rich etc etc etc, while the Tories were busy scaring the shit out of people that if they lose their mind their home will be taken from them.
Seems now Corbyn and McDonnell are going to be out and proud, higher taxes. It will be interesting to see how all the London folk, with their second homes in Cornwall, will like another £3k a year for starters. The main course is sure to be a hell of a lot more.
Perhaps, they will be fine with that, especially if they think Labour will stop Brexit, we will see.
Bash the rich may play better in marginals though...
Maybe...it hasn't played well in places like the Midlands for a long time though, where more aspirational messages seem to work better. That is why Tony Blair did so well.
The free uni policy doesn't go against that, if anything is perfect for it.
Things have changed, maybe the mood music is right for soak the rich / upper middle class, we will see. But even in 2010 and 2015, where loads of anger about the bankers, the bankers, the bankers bonuses and the expense fiddling MPs, Ed Miliband much more modest tax and spend didn't go down well in the Midlands.
It may play better when Brexit has not cured their ills.
Well if the UK implodes, all bets are off. But if we are still bumping along like we are now, I am not sure, and why McDonnell (the brains of the operation) has consistently tried to play down the size of his Marxist ideals.
This is probably going to embarrass me to admit: I've got little (i.e. no) idea what this '9th cousin' thing is. I have cousins, uncles, aunts. Anything else confuses me, especially when the likes of 'twice removed gets added!': it makes me think there's been a family argument and they've been disowned ...
The child of a sibling of one of your parents is your first cousin The child of a first cousin is your first cousin once removed The grandchild of a first cousin is your first cousin twice removed And so on
The grandchild of a sibling of one of your grandparents is your second cousin The child of a second cousin is your second cousin once removed The grandchild of a second cousin is your second cousin twice removed And so on
The great-grandchild of a sibling of one of your great-grandparents is your third cousin The child of a third cousin is your third cousin once removed The grandchild of a third cousin is your third cousin twice removed And so on
Thanks to you, Charles and Foxy for the replies. But it seems rather pointless: if you can marry them without risk of jail or genetic deformity in any kids, then to all effects you're not related!
As it is, some kind of scandal somewhere related to Westminster is likely to emerge that may shift the dial. We are due a story.
Is this a hint about something related to the US investigation or something else?
External interest in our politics and politicians is notable, we have not escaped penetration and conflicts of interest within our political class.
But to trigger an election it would probably have to: *) Involve May herself. *) Take down enough Conservative / DUP MPs as to change parliament's arithmetic.
I can't see the first, as May's just too vanilla. And the second seems unlikely.
(Famous last words...)
Besides, politics has been accelerating massively over the last six years. In fact, not just its acceleration, but its snap, crackle and pop have also been increasing. After Brexit, can we just have a nice, quiet period?
Somebody earlier was pointing out it was young vs old at the Remain today vs Leave last week...A lot of young people seem to be suffering male pattern baldness very early these days.
As it is, some kind of scandal somewhere related to Westminster is likely to emerge that may shift the dial. We are due a story.
Is this a hint about something related to the US investigation or something else?
External interest in our politics and politicians is notable, we have not escaped penetration and conflicts of interest within our political class.
But to trigger an election it would probably have to: *) Involve May herself. *) Take down enough Conservative / DUP MPs as to change parliament's arithmetic.
I can't see the first, as May's just too vanilla. And the second seems unlikely.
(Famous last words...)
Besides, politics has been accelerating massively over the last six years. In fact, not just its acceleration, but its snap, crackle and pop have also been increasing. After Brexit, can we just have a nice, quiet period?
Thats not my point, that it would cause an election, but it for example might change how political events and certain politicians are viewed. That may well drip into choices of the voting public. Thats what I mean by possibly moving the dial.
Somebody earlier was pointing out it was young vs old at the Remain today vs Leave last week...A lot of young people seem to be suffering male pattern baldness very early these days.
As it is, some kind of scandal somewhere related to Westminster is likely to emerge that may shift the dial. We are due a story.
Is this a hint about something related to the US investigation or something else?
External interest in our politics and politicians is notable, we have not escaped penetration and conflicts of interest within our political class.
But to trigger an election it would probably have to: *) Involve May herself. *) Take down enough Conservative / DUP MPs as to change parliament's arithmetic.
I can't see the first, as May's just too vanilla. And the second seems unlikely.
(Famous last words...)
Besides, politics has been accelerating massively over the last six years. In fact, not just its acceleration, but its snap, crackle and pop have also been increasing. After Brexit, can we just have a nice, quiet period?
Thats not my point, that it would cause an election, but it for example might change how political events and certain politicians are viewed. That may well drip into choices of the voting public. Thats what I mean by possibly moving the dial.
Somebody earlier was pointing out it was young vs old at the Remain today vs Leave last week...A lot of young people seem to be suffering male pattern baldness very early these days.
Camilla Tominey gets a credit on the story. She was on TV this morning saying that a Canada deal meant frictionless trade without non-tariff barriers. There are still a lot of misconceptions about what the choices are.
Is that a bad thing? The rich and powerful have got away with murder with the rest of us suffer. Take FTSE 100 companies for example - incompetent and poorly performing CEOs get huge pay increases while the rest get derisory pay awards.
Change is coming - suck it up my friend!
Venezuelans certainly have had to suck up the pain caused by socialist madness
Corbyn thinks he can do the same shit and get a different result.
If it requires the backstop how does the Cabinet roll back from May's rejection of that position? Obviously someone, probably us, will have to decide some red lines are not as red as they appeared, but that one seems hard to fudge given arguments to date.
If it requires the backstop how does the Cabinet roll back from May's rejection of that position? Obviously someone, probably us, will have to decide some red lines are not as red as they appeared, but that one seems hard to fudge given arguments to date.
It requires a lot of fudge to be kicked into the long long grass.
Sort of a 'temporary permanent solution' or perhaps a 'permanent temporary solution'
Great Britain really doesn't give a crap about Northern Ireland unless they start bombing the mainland.
2) How many times can Boris write an article saying Chequers is bad, I'm awesome?
Not sure why he thinks a Corbynista takeover is only a risk when it comes to Chequers, even assuming it were revived somehow. It's a risk with anything right now.
And with Boris and his escalating rhetoric I am having flashbacks to when Carswell defected - the further you escalate in your description of how bad things were and how obviously bad they were as well, the more I just question why they didn't act a lot sooner and presume they either didn't think it was so bad and are exaggerating now, or are claiming they were a fool and didn't notice it was so bad.
If it requires the backstop how does the Cabinet roll back from May's rejection of that position? Obviously someone, probably us, will have to decide some red lines are not as red as they appeared, but that one seems hard to fudge given arguments to date.
Or, we leave with no deal and tough it out until it’s clear to the EU that we’re not coming back.
They have no incentive to agree anything with us until they recognise that we’re gone for good.
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Priorities...
Housing yes...
Chutney Ivy is OK, but nothing special. The Exchange pub opposite is generally a good place to meet the cast after the show.
I'm a big Akram Khan fan it's the second time I've seen Xenos and I'm wondering whether to see Dust for a second time at Saddlers Wells this week.
Funny old world.
Given that Corbyn has confirmed he would support one if the Labour conference voted for it, and polls indicate around 85% of members support it, (and thanks to the Unions Brexit will in fact be discussed), surely we must assume it will soon become official Labour policy?
keep taking the cool aid
Fudge incoming?
London City State .... harking back to 18 th century and the Most Serene Republic of Venice.
Only on pb, as you say.
From the who'd-have-thunk-it category:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45620299
http://archive.divernet.com/uk-diving/p298297-poole-s-valentine-tanks-the-last-stand.html
https://twitter.com/MeanwhileScotia/status/1043896844642922496?s=09
Not appropriate, but not really enough reason to fire up the outrage bus.
The outrage bus now runs on batteries. It’s possible to get to maximum in a fraction of the time. Always ready for micro outrages.
http://www.exercisetigermemorial.co.uk/
Ken Small was quite a remarkable man; perhaps an archetypal British eccentric. RIP.
Exit poll:
Vyacheslav Shport (Edinaya Rossiya) - 57%
Sergey Furgal (LDPR) - 43%
Result:
Sergey Furgal (LDPR) - 69.6%
Vyacheslav Shport (Edinaya Rossiya) - 27.9%
One of my WWII books has a rather haunting picture in it. It was after the phoney war, when Germany stopped rescuing people from ships they had sunk or were about to sink. The photo was taken from a U-Boat, and shows one survivor of a merchant ship, standing on what looks like a palette. He was being left behind, probably with no more ships to rescue him.
Horrible and haunting. Perhaps more so for me, because my grandfather served in DEMS during WWII.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6199187/Jeremy-Corbyn-warns-rich-borrowed-time-Labour-government-coming.html
ChangeMassive Tax Rises...Are Coming...In 2017, Labour played down tax rises, claiming will only be on the super rich etc etc etc, while the Tories were busy scaring the shit out of people that if they lose their mind their home will be taken from them.
Seems now Corbyn and McDonnell are going to be out and proud, higher taxes. It will be interesting to see how all the London folk, with their second homes in Cornwall, will like another £3k a year for starters. The main course is sure to be a hell of a lot more.
Perhaps, they will be fine with that, especially if they think Labour will stop Brexit, we will see.
As it is, some kind of scandal somewhere related to Westminster is likely to emerge that may shift the dial. We are due a story.
Change is coming - suck it up my friend!
If you lose your mind (Parkinsons, Alzheimers), your home will be taken to pay nursing home fees (in England & Wales).
The policy was (I believe) introduced by the Blair Government.
Somehow, May managed to bungle things so spectacularly that hardly anyone understands that the changes she was proposing were a modest improvement for elderly dementia sufferers.
Or at least that is what it means to me!
So, might it be Boris, JRM, Hammond and Fox in an orgy with Russian prostitutes (male and female) whilst snorting coke and accepting brown envelopes from Moon-dwelling Nazis?
Than again, in Trump-world that's positively sane.
The child of a first cousin is your first cousin once removed
The grandchild of a first cousin is your first cousin twice removed
And so on
The grandchild of a sibling of one of your grandparents is your second cousin
The child of a second cousin is your second cousin once removed
The grandchild of a second cousin is your second cousin twice removed
And so on
The great-grandchild of a sibling of one of your great-grandparents is your third cousin
The child of a third cousin is your third cousin once removed
The grandchild of a third cousin is your third cousin twice removed
And so on
The free uni policy doesn't go against that, if anything is perfect for it.
Things have changed, maybe the mood music is right for soak the rich / upper middle class, we will see. But even in 2010 and 2015, where loads of anger about the bankers, the bankers, the bankers bonuses and the expense fiddling MPs, Ed Miliband much more modest tax and spend didn't go down well in the Midlands.
* Bonking Boris doesn't count...as he can never keep it in his trousers.
Just wonderful
*) Involve May herself.
*) Take down enough Conservative / DUP MPs as to change parliament's arithmetic.
I can't see the first, as May's just too vanilla. And the second seems unlikely.
(Famous last words...)
Besides, politics has been accelerating massively over the last six years. In fact, not just its acceleration, but its snap, crackle and pop have also been increasing. After Brexit, can we just have a nice, quiet period?
https://twitter.com/Luke_Sills/status/1043871165805146113
May, not surprisingly, is pretty clean.
https://www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/
However if that becomes the cabinet position I am content
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/09/23/majority-cabinet-now-supports-move-towards-canada-style-brexit/
Be careful what you for your Lordship.
Corbyn thinks he can do the same shit and get a different result.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/09/23/boris-johnson-must-ditch-chequers-condemned-crazed-corbynista/
1) Some of us did warn Brexit might lead to this
2) How many times can Boris write an article saying Chequers is bad, I'm awesome?
If Jeremy Hunt is backing this, it’s clear he knows which side his bread is buttered. Good.
Sort of a 'temporary permanent solution' or perhaps a 'permanent temporary solution'
Great Britain really doesn't give a crap about Northern Ireland unless they start bombing the mainland.
And with Boris and his escalating rhetoric I am having flashbacks to when Carswell defected - the further you escalate in your description of how bad things were and how obviously bad they were as well, the more I just question why they didn't act a lot sooner and presume they either didn't think it was so bad and are exaggerating now, or are claiming they were a fool and didn't notice it was so bad.
They have no incentive to agree anything with us until they recognise that we’re gone for good.
I don’t see Brussels forcing Irish border infrastructure.
The solution has always been a longer transition to exit the customs union....