Of course it does. And we will cave because we can't take the chance that they will take any of their many treaties and protocols and agreements seriously.
As @Nigel_Foremain notes, entering into negotiations that rely on your opponent feeling sorry for you might not be hopeless, but it is certainly not what one would call a strong position.
I was highlighting your double standards. You regard it as beyond the pale for the UK to contemplate leaving without a deal yet seem sanguine about the EU having offered so hard over the past year that we are on the verge of that very outcome.
In terms of the EU or rather the Commission's position, it is indeed clear that their stance is as you say "not be the action of a serious government with the well-being of the nation uppermost in its mind". The Commission doesn't care that much about the impact on EU states and the little people in Europe working in export industries whose livelihoods are linked to a continuation of UK trade post Brexit. What the Commission cares about is the future of the EU project upon which the livelihoods of those in Brussels depend. And as such it is desperate to ensure that the UK cannot be seen to make a success of Brexit, however much pain the EU has to endure to that end, in case the whole EU project starts to unravel on the back of the UK's example.
The irony is that the UK can make a success of Brexit, even if the Commission refuses to play ball, because of the international agreements the EU is obliged to uphold and the imbalance of EU-UK trade which accounts for nearly all of the UK's current trade deficit. So the Commission is left acting as the Holy Roman Emperor without any clothes, desperate that the Remainers running our government don't see through the weakness of its negotiating position.
We are in a negotiation whereby each party is presumably aiming for the best outcome possible from the negotiations.
You seem to be in the group of people who somehow believe that the EU owes us something because, well, because we are Britain and Great.
As for the impact on EU states, as seems to be disappointingly necessary to point out time and again these days, there is an asymmetric relationship between the UK and each individual EU member state. We account for around 6-10% of each EU member state's exports whereas the EU accounts for nearly half of our exports.
So you go do the math of a disruption or hit to EU-UK trade. It might help you if instead of "EU" when you are talking about imbalances in any areay you instead wrote your post 27 times and in each case substituted the individual member State, eg. France, Germany, Spain, etc.
"Under WTO rules non tariff barriers have been dealt with" - Redwood
If that was true FTAs would be a lot simpler than they are.
The vast bulk of fta are not about tariffs but about equivleence and mutual recognition of standards. All ours at the moment are Single Market compliant. Literally any free trade deal with the EU by other nations already incorporates each other’s equivalence.
Free trade deals with the EU are only as complicated as deep we want them to be. A trade deal with Canada wouldn’t need to be renegotiated between uk, if both sides are happy with the CETA deal it’s a case of substituting uk and EU. All the other stuff is identical.
Really reclaiming sovereignty there. We'll just copy Canada.
Apparently the inflation rate in Venezuela now tops 61,000%. They've knocked off five zeroes from the currency.
It can't be far from absolute collapse. Poverty's rampant, inflation means you should buy food at dawn because it'll have reduced your spending power significantly by dusk, unemployment's vast, people are shedding weight because they're starving, the democratic process is a sham, and there's an exodus caused by people desperately seeking food, work, and safety elsewhere.
Is Venezuela using CPI or RPI to measure their 61,000% inflation rate?
"Mr Hunt also seems unaware of the large economic upside we will enjoy if we just leave in March 2019 without the impediment of a Withdrawal Agreement delaying us. The UK economy can receive a major boost from spending the £39bn we would otherwise send to the EU on our public spending priorities and tax cuts here in the UK. We will also be able to draw up a tariff schedule more suited to UK needs and strengths, and sign trade agreements with many countries around the world. If we insist on just leaving, the EU is very likely to seek tariff free trade with us. It is only because they think the UK will give more ground in this negotiation that they are hanging tough on the trade issue. Many pro Brexit MPs agree that leaving and trading under WTO arrangements is a good option with plenty of economic upside for the UK. The government still believes there is a better deal available than this. If they want to get such a deal they need to show the EU we are serious about leaving without one, and explain the many benefits of so doing in public."
One of my complaints about arguments like this is they confuse "can" or "may" with "will". Recall the "professionals study logistics" quote. In the text there are numerous cases where the author states that something is possible, without considering the steps necessary to bring it about. He also asserts a probability ("very likely") without evidence.
"Mr Hunt also seems unaware of the large economic upside we will enjoy if we just leave in March 2019 without the impediment of a Withdrawal Agreement delaying us. The UK economy can receive a major boost from spending the £39bn we would otherwise send to the EU on our public spending priorities and tax cuts here in the UK. We will also be able to draw up a tariff schedule more suited to UK needs and strengths, and sign trade agreements with many countries around the world. If we insist on just leaving, the EU is very likely to seek tariff free trade with us. It is only because they think the UK will give more ground in this negotiation that they are hanging tough on the trade issue. Many pro Brexit MPs agree that leaving and trading under WTO arrangements is a good option with plenty of economic upside for the UK. The government still believes there is a better deal available than this. If they want to get such a deal they need to show the EU we are serious about leaving without one, and explain the many benefits of so doing in public."
One of my complaints about arguments like this is they confuse "can" or "may" with "will". Recall the "professionals study logistics" quote. In the text there are numerous cases where the author states that something is possible, without considering the steps necessary to bring it about. He also asserts a probability ("very likely") without evidence.
Of course it does. And we will cave because we can't take the chance that they will take any of their many treaties and protocols and agreements seriously.
As @Nigel_Foremain notes, entering into negotiations that rely on your opponent feeling sorry for you might not be hopeless, but it is certainly not what one would call a strong position.
I was highlighting your double standards. You regard it as beyond the pale for the UK to contemplate leaving without a deal yet seem sanguine about the EU having offered so hard over the past year that we are on the verge of that very outcome.
In terms of the EU or rather the Commission's position, it is indeed clear that their stance is as you say "not be the action of a serious government with the well-being of the nation uppermost in its mind". The Commission doesn't care that much about the impact on EU states and the little people in Europe working in export industries whose livelihoods are linked to a continuation of UK trade post Brexit. What the Commission cares about is the future of the EU project upon which the livelihoods of those in Brussels depend. And as such it is desperate to ensure that the UK cannot be seen to make a success of Brexit, however much pain the EU has to endure to that end, in case the whole EU project starts to unravel on the back of the UK's example.
We are in a negotiation whereby each party is presumably aiming for the best outcome possible from the negotiations.
You seem to be in the group of people who somehow believe that the EU owes us something because, well, because we are Britain and Great.
As for the impact on EU states, as seems to be disappointingly necessary to point out time and again these days, there is an asymmetric relationship between the UK and each individual EU member state. We account for around 6-10% of each EU member state's exports whereas the EU accounts for nearly half of our exports.
So you go do the math of a disruption or hit to EU-UK trade. It might help you if instead of "EU" when you are talking about imbalances in any areay you instead wrote your post 27 times and in each case substituted the individual member State, eg. France, Germany, Spain, etc.
The fall in the pound has already caused Ford Europe to issue a profits warning. Opel will be next. Personally I think an 80:20 rule will be in play and unexpected consequences will play out on the EU economy in the case of disruption to EU-UK trade.
King Cole, that may, counter-intuitively, be completely wrong.
When I was at school, my Religious Studies teacher, who was a splendid fellow, suggested it was actually more likely for a staunch atheist (or believer in another religion) to convert than a lazy, disinterested agnostic. The reasoning may be that the believer/atheist has a genuine religious position and thinks about such things (perhaps a lot) whereas the lazy agnostic just doesn't, and doesn't care to.
Surely what the former staunch athiest (etc) has done is weigh up the continual small pieces of evidence which come before before him until eventually the crucial appears and he converts. It may seem a “Road to Damascus” event but it isn’t. A journey of 1000 miles etc. Similar to falling in love. One may well fall immediately in lust, but realising that this is the person with whom one wants to spend of one’s life generally takes a bit longer.
As a devout atheist, I can conceive of no evidence that will ever persuade me of the existence of any god - whether than be Zeus or one of the more modern pretenders.
Faith - as far as I understand it - does not require evidence.
What if he turned up? I mean, I am an atheist too but that's because I deal with the facts as my limited understanding comprehends them. As a much, much cleverer man once said, "When the facts change, I change my mind, what do you do sir?"
How could you tell?
What criteria would you use?
Turning water into wine?
I am sure that an omnipotent God, if he existed, could think of something.
Of course it does. And we will cave because we can't take the chance that they will take any of their many treaties and protocols and agreements seriously.
As @Nigel_Foremain notes, entering into negotiations that rely on your opponent feeling sorry for you might not be hopeless, but it is certainly not what one would call a strong position.
I was highlighting your double standards. You regard it as beyond the pale for the UK to contemplate leaving without a deal yet seem sanguine about the EU having offered so hard over the past year that we are on the verge of that very outcome.
In terms of the EU or rather the Commission's position, it is indeed clear that their stance is as you say "not be the action of a serious government with the well-being of the nation uppermost in its mind". The Commission doesn't care that much about the impact on EU states and the little people in Europe working in export industries whose livelihoods are linked to a continuation of UK trade post Brexit. What the Commission cares about is the future of the EU project upon which the livelihoods of those in Brussels depend. And as such it is desperate to ensure that the UK cannot be seen to make a success of Brexit, however much pain the EU has to endure to that end, in case the whole EU project starts to unravel on the back of the UK's example.
We are in a negotiation whereby each party is presumably aiming for the best outcome possible from the negotiations.
You seem to be in the group of people who somehow believe that the EU owes us something because, well, because we are Britain and Great.
As for the impact on EU states, as seems to be disappointingly necessary to point out time and again these days, there is an asymmetric relationship between the UK and each individual EU member state. We account for around 6-10% of each EU member state's exports whereas the EU accounts for nearly half of our exports.
So you go do the math of a disruption or hit to EU-UK trade. It might help you if instead of "EU" when you are talking about imbalances in any areay you instead wrote your post 27 times and in each case substituted the individual member State, eg. France, Germany, Spain, etc.
The fall in the pound has already caused Ford Europe to issue a profits warning. Opel will be next. Personally I think an 80:20 rule will be in play and unexpected consequences will play out on the EU economy in the case of disruption to EU-UK trade.
Is this a variant on "BMW will force them to do a deal with us"?
Of course it does. And we will cave because we can't take the chance that they will take any of their many treaties and protocols and agreements seriously.
As @Nigel_Foremain notes, entering into negotiations that rely on your opponent feeling sorry for you might not be hopeless, but it is certainly not what one would call a strong position.
I was highlighting your double standards. You regard it as beyond the pale for the UK to contemplate leaving without a deal yet seem sanguine about the EU having offered so hard over the past year that we are on the verge of that very outcome.
In terms of the EU or rather the Commission's position, it is indeed clear that their stance is as you say "not be the action of a serious government with the well-being of the nation uppermost in its mind". The Commission doesn't care that much about the impact on EU states and the little people in Europe working in export industries whose livelihoods are linked to a continuation of UK trade post Brexit. What the Commission cares about is the future of the EU project upon which the livelihoods of those in Brussels depend. And as such it is desperate to ensure that the UK cannot be seen to make a success of Brexit, however much pain the EU has to endure to that end, in case the whole EU project starts to unravel on the back of the UK's example.
The irony is that the UK can make a success of Brexit, even if the Commission refuses to play ball, because of the international agreements the EU is obliged to uphold and the imbalance of EU-UK trade which accounts for nearly all of the UK's current trade deficit. So the Commission is left acting as the Holy Roman Emperor without any clothes, desperate that the Remainers running our government don't see through the weakness of its negotiating position.
Your hatred of the EU is blinding your understanding. The Commission (the clue is in the name) does the delegated bidding of the Council of Ministers, i.e. the 27 nations, and they will therefore do what they believe to be in the collective interest of the 27, and the democratically elected heads of government have recently affirmed that. It is us (or at least 52% of us) that are being awkward and making demands based on a very weak hand. When those of us that worked this out said this during the campaign (and since) we were told it was "project fear". Keep kidding yourself with the "they need us more than we need them " line. It is what manipulate charlatans like Boris want you to keep believing. The one benefit you do have is that you can always blame the whole cock-up when it unfolds on those terrible furriners.
King Cole, that may, counter-intuitively, be completely wrong.
When I was at school, my Religious Studies teacher, who was a splendid fellow, suggested it was actually more likely for a staunch atheist (or believer in another religion) to convert than a lazy, disinterested agnostic. The reasoning may be that the believer/atheist has a genuine religious position and thinks about such things (perhaps a lot) whereas the lazy agnostic just doesn't, and doesn't care to.
Surely what the former staunch athiest (etc) has done is weigh up the continual small pieces of evidence which come before before him until eventually the crucial appears and he converts. It may seem a “Road to Damascus” event but it isn’t. A journey of 1000 miles etc. Similar to falling in love. One may well fall immediately in lust, but realising that this is the person with whom one wants to spend of one’s life generally takes a bit longer.
As a devout atheist, I can conceive of no evidence that will ever persuade me of the existence of any god - whether than be Zeus or one of the more modern pretenders.
Faith - as far as I understand it - does not require evidence.
What if he turned up? I mean, I am an atheist too but that's because I deal with the facts as my limited understanding comprehends them. As a much, much cleverer man once said, "When the facts change, I change my mind, what do you do sir?"
How could you tell?
What criteria would you use?
Turning water into wine?
I am sure that an omnipotent God, if he existed, could think of something.
Apparently the inflation rate in Venezuela now tops 61,000%. They've knocked off five zeroes from the currency.
It can't be far from absolute collapse. Poverty's rampant, inflation means you should buy food at dawn because it'll have reduced your spending power significantly by dusk, unemployment's vast, people are shedding weight because they're starving, the democratic process is a sham, and there's an exodus caused by people desperately seeking food, work, and safety elsewhere.
Is Venezuela using CPI or RPI to measure their 61,000% inflation rate?
MPs are demanding a larger expenses budget because they claim Brexit is adding to their "workloads", the official watchdog has revealed.
The Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority (Ipsa) disclosed that MPs have been lobbying for an increase in the amount they spend on employing staff.
On the plus side at their current rate the Indians will take the best part of the day to get the lead over 400. Which only leaves England 2 days to bat. What could go wrong?
Of course it does. And we will cave because we can't take the chance that they will take any of their many treaties and protocols and agreements seriously.
As @Nigel_Foremain notes, entering into negotiations that rely on your opponent feeling sorry for you might not be hopeless, but it is certainly not what one would call a strong position.
I was highlighting your double standards. You regard it as beyond the pale for the UK to contemplate leaving without a deal yet seem sanguine about the EU having offered so hard over the past year that we are on the verge of that very outcome.
In terms of the EU or rather the Commission's position, it is indeed clear that their stance is as you say "not be the action of a serious government with the well-being of the nation uppermost in its mind". The Commission doesn't care that much about the impact on EU states and the little people in Europe working in export industries whose livelihoods are linked to a continuation of UK trade post Brexit. What the Commission cares about is the future of the EU project upon which the livelihoods of those in Brussels depend. And as such it is desperate to ensure that the UK cannot be seen to make a success of Brexit, however much pain the EU has to endure to that end, in case the whole EU project starts to unravel on the back of the UK's example.
As for the impact on EU states, as seems to be disappointingly necessary to point out time and again these days, there is an asymmetric relationship between the UK and each individual EU member state. We account for around 6-10% of each EU member state's exports whereas the EU accounts for nearly half of our exports.
So you go do the math of a disruption or hit to EU-UK trade. It might help you if instead of "EU" when you are talking about imbalances in any areay you instead wrote your post 27 times and in each case substituted the individual member State, eg. France, Germany, Spain, etc.
The fall in the pound has already caused Ford Europe to issue a profits warning. Opel will be next. Personally I think an 80:20 rule will be in play and unexpected consequences will play out on the EU economy in the case of disruption to EU-UK trade.
Is this a variant on "BMW will force them to do a deal with us"?
It has already been reported in the press that both the German and French car industries are lobbying Brussels hard for a deal that leaves their businesses unaffected. I have no doubt that the Audi's, BMW's, Mercs will keep selling large volumes of cars here. The real issue is the Fords and Opel's made in Germany that become very un-competitive. 66% of Opel staff are in Germany.
"Under WTO rules non tariff barriers have been dealt with" - Redwood
If that was true FTAs would be a lot simpler than they are.
The vast bulk of fta are not about tariffs but about equivleence and mutual recognition of standards. All ours at the moment are Single Market compliant. Literally any free trade deal with the EU by other nations already incorporates each other’s equivalence.
Free trade deals with the EU are only as complicated as deep we want them to be. A trade deal with Canada wouldn’t need to be renegotiated between uk, if both sides are happy with the CETA deal it’s a case of substituting uk and EU. All the other stuff is identical.
Really reclaiming sovereignty there. We'll just copy Canada.
I was referring to our trade with Canada and how ceta could be modified for a uk Canada deal with very little effort. Just top and tails.
On the plus side at their current rate the Indians will take the best part of the day to get the lead over 400. Which only leaves England 2 days to bat. What could go wrong?
King Cole, that may, counter-intuitively, be completely wrong.
When I was at school, my Religious Studies teacher, who was a splendid fellow, suggested it was actually more likely for a staunch atheist (or believer in another religion) to convert than a lazy, disinterested agnostic. The reasoning may be that the believer/atheist has a genuine religious position and thinks about such things (perhaps a lot) whereas the lazy agnostic just doesn't, and doesn't care to.
Surely what the former staunch athiest (etc) has done is weigh up the continual small pieces of evidence which come before before him until eventually the crucial appears and he converts. It may seem a “Road to Damascus” event but it isn’t. A journey of 1000 miles etc. Similar to falling in love. One may well fall immediately in lust, but realising that this is the person with whom one wants to spend of one’s life generally takes a bit longer.
As a devout atheist, I can conceive of no evidence that will ever persuade me of the existence of any god - whether than be Zeus or one of the more modern pretenders.
Faith - as far as I understand it - does not require evidence.
What if he turned up? I mean, I am an atheist too but that's because I deal with the facts as my limited understanding comprehends them. As a much, much cleverer man once said, "When the facts change, I change my mind, what do you do sir?"
How could you tell?
What criteria would you use?
Turning water into wine?
I am sure that an omnipotent God, if he existed, could think of something.
A more boring answer than those already given, but I suspect the simplest way would just be to *make* you believe in him.
John Redwood answers your and Hunt's stance pretty comprehensively here.
Sorry, laughing too hard to type...
Surely you won't pine away over Redwood?
I don't cedar point....
That pun has needled me.
It gives you Pine and Suffering?
Fir goodness sake Sunil they are planely barking up the wrong tree.
Yew know it makes sense!
There is an old (in a South Essex accent) joke about the difference between a bison and a buffalo, the point being that one cannot wash one’s hands in a buffalo.
As far as Venezuela goes it's an appalling human tragedy. Is it an indictment of socialism in general? Not especially but it is an indictment of the version cooked up by Chavez and now Maduro which is effectively cronyism and gangsterism dressed up and called "socialism".
Maduro is from the rich seam of dictatorial embezzlers for whom the acquisition of power isn't about trying to improve the lot of the citizens of your country but trying to improve your and your immediate family's own economic well-being by the systematic looting of your own country.
Maduro is no more a socialist than Marcos or Bokassa or Mobutu or any one of a dozen African and Asian dictators who robbed their own country and its people. The so-called Communists who ran Eastern Europe from 1945 all did very well out of it with big cars, big estates and no doubt big Swiss bank accounts as witness by the Ceaucescus.
We may chastise Blair, Cameron, Obama and others for making money after they were in office but compared to the Maduros they are mere amateurs.
As a welcome contrast, the Washington Post piece on former POTUS Jimmy Carter was a breath of fresh air. He may not have been the greatest President by any stretch but the way he has comported himself since leaving office in 1981 is an example to all.
"...The EU has and uses powers to recognise the standards and competent authorities of third countries to be able to import their goods and to comply with its WTO obligations..."
I assume he is correct when he says it has such powers, but will it use them in our case?
...Under WTO rules non tariff barriers have been dealt with, so the EU cannot legally mount a Napoleonic blockade against UK goods once we have left...
How about illegally? Who decides what is legal, and in which court would we sue if it did?
"...People on both sides of the Channel will continue to honour contracts and buy and sell to each other after our exit. To suggest otherwise is silly scaremongering..."
This is a fair point, and he is correct that Remainers have a tendency to hyperbole. I pointed out in previous posts that the posited denial-of-flight scenario was exagggerated (UK controls in whole or part the flight areas over the UK, Ireland, and west of Ireland, and the plug can't be pulled without our consent). But the issue is not whether trade will continue to take place, the issue is the scale of the disruption: he assumes there will be none, and I think he's wrong in that.
On the plus side at their current rate the Indians will take the best part of the day to get the lead over 400. Which only leaves England 2 days to bat. What could go wrong?
The UK economy is larger than £2,000 billion per year; the extra £39 billion that would have been paid "over a number of years" would be under 1% if the number of years was just 2, and even smaller if longer than that. It would be a surprise for it to be that major a boost as to overcome the issues of sudden imposition of friction of trade alone.
He talks much about tariffs (which would suit us) and signing trade agreements around the world (when? Most take several years to negotiate at best, during which time we're worse off; that £39 billion is doing a lot of work, here).
There's not a single word about Non-Tariff Barriers, which are the most difficult part and the part feared to cause the long queues at ports and potential shortfalls, and is far bigger a deal than tariffs. LeaveHQ has a great post on it here: http://leavehq.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=128 - which is highly recommended reading for anyone on either side who is concerned about the issue.
I love that the same people who say £39 billion is a tiny, tiny amount that we won't notice the benefit of are the same people who scream that £350m a week on the side of a bus is an insane amount of money that could never, ever be found under any circumstances.
Gey your fucking story straight,, guys....
You must have me confused with someone else. I've always held that the £350 million per week as per 2016 that we could find without raising taxes, cutting spending, or borrowing was, indeed, a lie. Not that we could not find it from elsewhere.
The latter, however, is fuck-all to do with a referendum on the EU, and a lot to do with straightforward politics. "Increase spending on the NHS by £18bn per year" is an election pledge that any party could make at any time (whether it's credible or economically balanced is another matter).
"We could increase spending on the NHS by £18bn per year just by diverting money currently going to the EU" is a referendum pledge that was factually untrue.
King Cole, that may, counter-intuitively, be completely wrong.
When I was at school, my Religious Studies teacher, who was a splendid fellow, suggested it was actually more likely for a staunch atheist (or believer in another religion) to convert than a lazy, disinterested agnostic. The reasoning may be that the believer/atheist has a genuine religious position and thinks about such things (perhaps a lot) whereas the lazy agnostic just doesn't, and doesn't care to.
Surely what the former staunch athiest (etc) has done is weigh up the continual small pieces of evidence which come before before him until eventually the crucial appears and he converts. It may seem a “Road to Damascus” event but it isn’t. A journey of 1000 miles etc. Similar to falling in love. One may well fall immediately in lust, but realising that this is the person with whom one wants to spend of one’s life generally takes a bit longer.
As a devout atheist, I can conceive of no evidence that will ever persuade me of the existence of any god - whether than be Zeus or one of the more modern pretenders.
Faith - as far as I understand it - does not require evidence.
What if he turned up? I mean, I am an atheist too but that's because I deal with the facts as my limited understanding comprehends them. As a much, much cleverer man once said, "When the facts change, I change my mind, what do you do sir?"
How could you tell?
What criteria would you use?
Turning water into wine?
I am sure that an omnipotent God, if he existed, could think of something.
A more boring answer than those already given, but I suspect the simplest way would just be to *make* you believe in him.
On the plus side an ability like that would make betting more predictable.
"The fall in the pound has already caused Ford Europe to issue a profits warning. Opel will be next. Personally I think an 80:20 rule will be in play and unexpected consequences will play out on the EU economy in the case of disruption to EU-UK trade. "
Unexpected consequences and the platitudes of politicians are the only real certainties, though we do have to, in spite of Mr. Goves' maxim, take the balance of probabilities into account. "Brexit will be the easiest thing in history" will take it's place in our political lexicon as the most rash and stupid quote since "we will be home for Christmas
On the plus side at their current rate the Indians will take the best part of the day to get the lead over 400. Which only leaves England 2 days to bat. What could go wrong?
Our wicketkeeper could break a finger?
Alistair Cook could score a double century and stagger on as opener for another year?
On the plus side at their current rate the Indians will take the best part of the day to get the lead over 400. Which only leaves England 2 days to bat. What could go wrong?
Our wicketkeeper could break a finger?
And the man who has shelled so many catches takes over behind the stumps?
We’re going to miss YJB’s batting and keeping.
Tempted to put money on India to win this series now.
On the plus side at their current rate the Indians will take the best part of the day to get the lead over 400. Which only leaves England 2 days to bat. What could go wrong?
On the plus side at their current rate the Indians will take the best part of the day to get the lead over 400. Which only leaves England 2 days to bat. What could go wrong?
On the plus side at their current rate the Indians will take the best part of the day to get the lead over 400. Which only leaves England 2 days to bat. What could go wrong?
Our wicketkeeper could break a finger?
Alistair Cook could score a double century and stagger on as opener for another year?
"It has already been reported in the press that both the German and French car industries are lobbying Brussels hard for a deal that leaves their businesses unaffected. I have no doubt that the Audi's, BMW's, Mercs will keep selling large volumes of cars here. The real issue is the Fords and Opel's made in Germany that become very un-competitive. 66% of Opel staff are in Germany"
I am sure it will be a consideration for those companies. However their Vice Presidents of Sales will already be looking at places where they can mitigate any losses by increased activity in other counties. It is a problem that they could no doubt do without, but if we think this will be a lobbying game changer for us we are very much clinging to false hope.The "they need us more than we need them" is just another lie from the Boris Johnson school of dishonest campaigning.
Wow, that is sick if that is the case. The evil of extremism really is on the rise in the UK and is slowly asserting it's power within the Labour and Tory parties while "ordinary" people say "I don't do politics".
On the plus side at their current rate the Indians will take the best part of the day to get the lead over 400. Which only leaves England 2 days to bat. What could go wrong?
Our wicketkeeper could break a finger?
And the man who has shelled so many catches takes over behind the stumps?
We’re going to miss YJB’s batting and keeping.
Tempted to put money on India to win this series now.
Putting money? Aren’t you being the good Muslim boy to your parents this week?
Read on that repulsive anti-Mann twitter feed that she is apparently Margaret Hodge's daughter (or perhaps grand-daughter). Don't know whether it's true.
They are trying to claim that because Hodge's daughter works in BBC News there is some grand conspiracy at the heart of the establishment. Classic smear tactics - based on her family heritage. Pretty clear what they are driving at.
They are trying to claim that because Hodge's daughter works in BBC News there is some grand conspiracy at the heart of the establishment. Classic smear tactics - based on her family heritage. Pretty clear what they are driving at.
Extremist fruitcakes are just that but this sort of conspiracy theory used to be commonplace even among pb Tories with their reds at the beeb scares. Jess Phillips MP said in one of the Jewish papers last week she gets equal twitter abuse from left and right but no-one has asked Theresa May to comment.
"It has already been reported in the press that both the German and French car industries are lobbying Brussels hard for a deal that leaves their businesses unaffected. I have no doubt that the Audi's, BMW's, Mercs will keep selling large volumes of cars here. The real issue is the Fords and Opel's made in Germany that become very un-competitive. 66% of Opel staff are in Germany"
I am sure it will be a consideration for those companies. However their Vice Presidents of Sales will already be looking at places where they can mitigate any losses by increased activity in other counties. It is a problem that they could no doubt do without, but if we think this will be a lobbying game changer for us we are very much clinging to false hope.The "they need us more than we need them" is just another lie from the Boris Johnson school of dishonest campaigning.
They are trying to claim that because Hodge's daughter works in BBC News there is some grand conspiracy at the heart of the establishment. Classic smear tactics - based on her family heritage. Pretty clear what they are driving at.
It's OK, once they are in power they'll be able to purge all Jews from the media.
They are trying to claim that because Hodge's daughter works in BBC News there is some grand conspiracy at the heart of the establishment. Classic smear tactics - based on her family heritage. Pretty clear what they are driving at.
Extremist fruitcakes are just that but this sort of conspiracy theory used to be commonplace even among pb Tories with their reds at the beeb scares. Jess Phillips MP said in one of the Jewish papers last week she gets equal twitter abuse from left and right but no-one has asked Theresa May to comment.
She has a problem with abuse from people who claim to be Conservative members, as opposed to random right-wing idiots?
They are trying to claim that because Hodge's daughter works in BBC News there is some grand conspiracy at the heart of the establishment. Classic smear tactics - based on her family heritage. Pretty clear what they are driving at.
Extremist fruitcakes are just that but this sort of conspiracy theory used to be commonplace even among pb Tories with their reds at the beeb scares. Jess Phillips MP said in one of the Jewish papers last week she gets equal twitter abuse from left and right but no-one has asked Theresa May to comment.
Probably because they know that TM is opposed to the nutters. In Corbyn's case...
They are trying to claim that because Hodge's daughter works in BBC News there is some grand conspiracy at the heart of the establishment. Classic smear tactics - based on her family heritage. Pretty clear what they are driving at.
Extremist fruitcakes are just that but this sort of conspiracy theory used to be commonplace even among pb Tories with their reds at the beeb scares. Jess Phillips MP said in one of the Jewish papers last week she gets equal twitter abuse from left and right but no-one has asked Theresa May to comment.
Few of the latter would claim to be supporters of Theresa May. In fact, they hate her.
They are trying to claim that because Hodge's daughter works in BBC News there is some grand conspiracy at the heart of the establishment. Classic smear tactics - based on her family heritage. Pretty clear what they are driving at.
Extremist fruitcakes are just that but this sort of conspiracy theory used to be commonplace even among pb Tories with their reds at the beeb scares. Jess Phillips MP said in one of the Jewish papers last week she gets equal twitter abuse from left and right but no-one has asked Theresa May to comment.
I think this is much more sinister. The starting point is that there is a Zionist conspiracy and that any Jew is likely to be a part of it. It's not "75% of the BBC read the Guardian", or "newsnight editor was a member of the marxist party".
They are trying to claim that because Hodge's daughter works in BBC News there is some grand conspiracy at the heart of the establishment. Classic smear tactics - based on her family heritage. Pretty clear what they are driving at.
It's OK, once they are in power they'll be able to purge all Jews from the media.
They are trying to claim that because Hodge's daughter works in BBC News there is some grand conspiracy at the heart of the establishment. Classic smear tactics - based on her family heritage. Pretty clear what they are driving at.
It's OK, once they are in power they'll be able to purge all Jews from the media.
They are trying to claim that because Hodge's daughter works in BBC News there is some grand conspiracy at the heart of the establishment. Classic smear tactics - based on her family heritage. Pretty clear what they are driving at.
Extremist fruitcakes are just that but this sort of conspiracy theory used to be commonplace even among pb Tories with their reds at the beeb scares. Jess Phillips MP said in one of the Jewish papers last week she gets equal twitter abuse from left and right but no-one has asked Theresa May to comment.
I think this is much more sinister. The starting point is that there is a Zionist conspiracy and that any Jew is likely to be a part of it. It's not "75% of the BBC read the Guardian", or "newsnight editor was a member of the marxist party".
They are trying to claim that because Hodge's daughter works in BBC News there is some grand conspiracy at the heart of the establishment. Classic smear tactics - based on her family heritage. Pretty clear what they are driving at.
Extremist fruitcakes are just that but this sort of conspiracy theory used to be commonplace even among pb Tories with their reds at the beeb scares. Jess Phillips MP said in one of the Jewish papers last week she gets equal twitter abuse from left and right but no-one has asked Theresa May to comment.
She has a problem with abuse from people who claim to be Conservative members, as opposed to random right-wing idiots?
I've no idea but every left-wing keyboard warrior on twitter is labelled a Corbynista.
I think this is much more sinister. The starting point is that there is a Zionist conspiracy and that any Jew is likely to be a part of it. It's not "75% of the BBC read the Guardian", or "newsnight editor was a member of the marxist party".
They are trying to claim that because Hodge's daughter works in BBC News there is some grand conspiracy at the heart of the establishment. Classic smear tactics - based on her family heritage. Pretty clear what they are driving at.
Extremist fruitcakes are just that but this sort of conspiracy theory used to be commonplace even among pb Tories with their reds at the beeb scares. Jess Phillips MP said in one of the Jewish papers last week she gets equal twitter abuse from left and right but no-one has asked Theresa May to comment.
She has a problem with abuse from people who claim to be Conservative members, as opposed to random right-wing idiots?
Is there a distinction between the two these days?
They are trying to claim that because Hodge's daughter works in BBC News there is some grand conspiracy at the heart of the establishment. Classic smear tactics - based on her family heritage. Pretty clear what they are driving at.
Extremist fruitcakes are just that but this sort of conspiracy theory used to be commonplace even among pb Tories with their reds at the beeb scares. Jess Phillips MP said in one of the Jewish papers last week she gets equal twitter abuse from left and right but no-one has asked Theresa May to comment.
I think this is much more sinister. The starting point is that there is a Zionist conspiracy and that any Jew is likely to be a part of it. It's not "75% of the BBC read the Guardian", or "newsnight editor was a member of the marxist party".
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Tory bosses urged to change leadership rules so Boris Johnson will have a better chance of being next PM
Boris Johnson's supporters fear his fellow MPs will keep him off the ballot
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7050042/boris-johnson-tory-leadership-election-rules-theresa-may/
You seem to be in the group of people who somehow believe that the EU owes us something because, well, because we are Britain and Great.
As for the impact on EU states, as seems to be disappointingly necessary to point out time and again these days, there is an asymmetric relationship between the UK and each individual EU member state. We account for around 6-10% of each EU member state's exports whereas the EU accounts for nearly half of our exports.
So you go do the math of a disruption or hit to EU-UK trade. It might help you if instead of "EU" when you are talking about imbalances in any areay you instead wrote your post 27 times and in each case substituted the individual member State, eg. France, Germany, Spain, etc.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-45242786
Brexit is an historic mistake and only now people are realising it:
Agree: 44%
Disagree: 30%
http://www.deltapoll.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/SOS-website-post.pdf
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/08/19/exclusive-mps-demand-bigger-expenses-budget-cope-additional/
MPs are demanding a larger expenses budget because they claim Brexit is adding to their "workloads", the official watchdog has revealed.
The Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority (Ipsa) disclosed that MPs have been lobbying for an increase in the amount they spend on employing staff.
I have no doubt that the Audi's, BMW's, Mercs will keep selling large volumes of cars here. The real issue is the Fords and Opel's made in Germany that become very un-competitive. 66% of Opel staff are in Germany.
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1031458127097606145
As far as Venezuela goes it's an appalling human tragedy. Is it an indictment of socialism in general? Not especially but it is an indictment of the version cooked up by Chavez and now Maduro which is effectively cronyism and gangsterism dressed up and called "socialism".
Maduro is from the rich seam of dictatorial embezzlers for whom the acquisition of power isn't about trying to improve the lot of the citizens of your country but trying to improve your and your immediate family's own economic well-being by the systematic looting of your own country.
Maduro is no more a socialist than Marcos or Bokassa or Mobutu or any one of a dozen African and Asian dictators who robbed their own country and its people. The so-called Communists who ran Eastern Europe from 1945 all did very well out of it with big cars, big estates and no doubt big Swiss bank accounts as witness by the Ceaucescus.
We may chastise Blair, Cameron, Obama and others for making money after they were in office but compared to the Maduros they are mere amateurs.
As a welcome contrast, the Washington Post piece on former POTUS Jimmy Carter was a breath of fresh air. He may not have been the greatest President by any stretch but the way he has comported himself since leaving office in 1981 is an example to all.
I've always held that the £350 million per week as per 2016 that we could find without raising taxes, cutting spending, or borrowing was, indeed, a lie.
Not that we could not find it from elsewhere.
The latter, however, is fuck-all to do with a referendum on the EU, and a lot to do with straightforward politics. "Increase spending on the NHS by £18bn per year" is an election pledge that any party could make at any time (whether it's credible or economically balanced is another matter).
"We could increase spending on the NHS by £18bn per year just by diverting money currently going to the EU" is a referendum pledge that was factually untrue.
See the difference?
Unexpected consequences and the platitudes of politicians are the only real certainties, though we do have to, in spite of Mr. Goves' maxim, take the balance of probabilities into account. "Brexit will be the easiest thing in history" will take it's place in our political lexicon as the most rash and stupid quote since "we will be home for Christmas
We’re going to miss YJB’s batting and keeping.
Tempted to put money on India to win this series now.
https://twitter.com/PLSpeakman/status/1031255524820574209
In response to news that Mann's grandkid is ill.
The Young Pope can keep as well.
I have no doubt that the Audi's, BMW's, Mercs will keep selling large volumes of cars here. The real issue is the Fords and Opel's made in Germany that become very un-competitive. 66% of Opel staff are in Germany"
I am sure it will be a consideration for those companies. However their Vice Presidents of Sales will already be looking at places where they can mitigate any losses by increased activity in other counties. It is a problem that they could no doubt do without, but if we think this will be a lobbying game changer for us we are very much clinging to false hope.The "they need us more than we need them" is just another lie from the Boris Johnson school of dishonest campaigning.
And yet Corbyn still does nothing. And he gets away with it.
It is just crazy. Dangerous. And crazy.
59% agree
23% neither
14% disagree
The birch.
https://twitter.com/MichaelDugher/status/1031473408628932608
https://twitter.com/PLSpeakman/status/1031255862634074112
First they went after Margaret Hodge. Now they go after her daughter.
https://twitter.com/freddybinyusuf/status/1031255757235412994
I have to go. Have a good afternoon.
Wonder why that would be all of a sudden?
*Innocent face*
(though someone else beat me to "pine"!)
47% want to Leave the EU on March 29th, 28% don't.
The city I was born and live (bradford) - made it to bottom of the list.
Come on people,reasons why you wouldn't live in our great multicultural city ?
It is very off putting now matter how lovely Bombay Stores is.
As further evidence, this was the FOI put in by the same people trying to "out" Hodge's daughter.
https://twitter.com/stejormur/status/1031466505224040448
Yes 47%
No 28%
The political class are trying to make heavy weather of the negotiations to convince us to change our mind
Yes 48%
No 12%
My football team must be getting a reputation like man u of having fans who don't live in Bradford.
Circa 67% White
Demographics of Bradford
Circa 67% White
There must be another reason why Manchester is thirty places higher than Bradford than multiculturalism.