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  • Anorak said:

    Anorak said:


    I think this is much more sinister. The starting point is that there is a Zionist conspiracy and that any Jew is likely to be a part of it. It's not "75% of the BBC read the Guardian", or "newsnight editor was a member of the marxist party".

    As further evidence, this was the FOI put in by the same people trying to "out" Hodge's daughter.
    https://twitter.com/stejormur/status/1031466505224040448

    Wait until they find out the religious makeup of the editorial staff of PB.
    I think we all know it's exclusively run by remoaners.
    We prefer to think of ourselves as the Metropolitan Liberal Elite.
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    Anorak said:

    Wow. A new low for the Cult:

    https://twitter.com/PLSpeakman/status/1031255524820574209

    In response to news that Mann's grandkid is ill.

    Nothing should surprise anyone about how low they are happy to go. They delight in bringing misery and fear.

    And yet Corbyn still does nothing. And he gets away with it.

    It is just crazy. Dangerous. And crazy.
    Absolutely. Why don’t people think for a millisecond before posting something like that.
    Anyone know what this one is about?

    https://twitter.com/MichaelDugher/status/1031473408628932608
    Is it about Margaet Hodge’s daughter?
    They are trying to claim that because Hodge's daughter works in BBC News there is some grand conspiracy at the heart of the establishment. Classic smear tactics - based on her family heritage. Pretty clear what they are driving at.
    Extremist fruitcakes are just that but this sort of conspiracy theory used to be commonplace even among pb Tories with their reds at the beeb scares. Jess Phillips MP said in one of the Jewish papers last week she gets equal twitter abuse from left and right but no-one has asked Theresa May to comment.
    I think this is much more sinister. The starting point is that there is a Zionist conspiracy and that any Jew is likely to be a part of it. It's not "75% of the BBC read the Guardian", or "newsnight editor was a member of the marxist party".

    As further evidence, this was the FOI put in by the same people trying to "out" Hodge's daughter.
    https://twitter.com/stejormur/status/1031466505224040448
    Yes, that is sinister. Conspiracy theories have a habit of disappearing right down the rabbit hole, including this one. If they stood back and forgot the Zionist plot for 10 minutes, they might wonder why so many people in the media are married to each other (answer: probably because most of the people they meet work in the media, but all the same it does not necessarily encourage a wide range of views).
  • not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,449

    Anorak said:

    Anorak said:


    I think this is much more sinister. The starting point is that there is a Zionist conspiracy and that any Jew is likely to be a part of it. It's not "75% of the BBC read the Guardian", or "newsnight editor was a member of the marxist party".

    As further evidence, this was the FOI put in by the same people trying to "out" Hodge's daughter.
    https://twitter.com/stejormur/status/1031466505224040448

    Wait until they find out the religious makeup of the editorial staff of PB.
    I think we all know it's exclusively run by remoaners.
    We prefer to think of ourselves as the Metropolitan Liberal Elite.
    The famous Remain elite that a mere 16.1 million people are part of
  • Anorak said:

    Anorak said:


    I think this is much more sinister. The starting point is that there is a Zionist conspiracy and that any Jew is likely to be a part of it. It's not "75% of the BBC read the Guardian", or "newsnight editor was a member of the marxist party".

    As further evidence, this was the FOI put in by the same people trying to "out" Hodge's daughter.
    https://twitter.com/stejormur/status/1031466505224040448

    Wait until they find out the religious makeup of the editorial staff of PB.
    I think we all know it's exclusively run by remoaners.
    We prefer to think of ourselves as the Metropolitan Liberal Elite.
    Not the District line?
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,179

    Some prime Leave-Remain bickering fodder here.

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1031458127097606145


    The city I was born and live (bradford) - made it to bottom of the list.

    Come on people,reasons why you wouldn't live in our great multicultural city ?

    Because it is full of muppets complaining about multiculturalism.

    It is very off putting now matter how lovely Bombay Stores is.
    I think the Muppets complaining about multiculturalism do something about it,it's called white - flight.

    My football team must be getting a reputation like man u of having fans who don't live in Bradford.
    Demographics of Manchester.

    Circa 67% White

    Demographics of Bradford

    Circa 67% White

    There must be another reason why Manchester is thirty places higher than Bradford than multiculturalism.
    That's not a particularly fair comparison, is it? I'd say Greater Manchester is a fairer comparison and that is 83% white.
  • not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,449

    Anorak said:

    Anorak said:


    I think this is much more sinister. The starting point is that there is a Zionist conspiracy and that any Jew is likely to be a part of it. It's not "75% of the BBC read the Guardian", or "newsnight editor was a member of the marxist party".

    As further evidence, this was the FOI put in by the same people trying to "out" Hodge's daughter.
    https://twitter.com/stejormur/status/1031466505224040448

    Wait until they find out the religious makeup of the editorial staff of PB.
    I think we all know it's exclusively run by remoaners.
    We prefer to think of ourselves as the Metropolitan Liberal Elite.
    Not the District line?
    Well the Northern line is definitely Leave
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,206

    HYUFD said:

    From the Sun poll:

    Brexit is an historic mistake and only now people are realising it:

    Agree: 44%
    Disagree: 30%

    http://www.deltapoll.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/SOS-website-post.pdf

    We should Leave the EU in March next year like it or not

    Yes 47%
    No 28%

    The political class are trying to make heavy weather of the negotiations to convince us to change our mind

    Yes 48%
    No 12%


    That last question should give the Remainers pause for thought. By 4:1, they will own a shit settlement....
    Plus an attempt to reverse Brexit even more
  • tlg86 said:

    Some prime Leave-Remain bickering fodder here.

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1031458127097606145


    The city I was born and live (bradford) - made it to bottom of the list.

    Come on people,reasons why you wouldn't live in our great multicultural city ?

    Because it is full of muppets complaining about multiculturalism.

    It is very off putting now matter how lovely Bombay Stores is.
    I think the Muppets complaining about multiculturalism do something about it,it's called white - flight.

    My football team must be getting a reputation like man u of having fans who don't live in Bradford.
    Demographics of Manchester.

    Circa 67% White

    Demographics of Bradford

    Circa 67% White

    There must be another reason why Manchester is thirty places higher than Bradford than multiculturalism.
    That's not a particularly fair comparison, is it? I'd say Greater Manchester is a fairer comparison and that is 83% white.
    The polling was about the cities, so only felt fair to use the demographics of Manchester itself.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,842

    Sandpit said:

    Wow. A new low for the Cult:

    https://twitter.com/PLSpeakman/status/1031255524820574209

    In response to news that Mann's grandkid is ill.

    Nothing should surprise anyone about how low they are happy to go. They delight in bringing misery and fear.

    And yet Corbyn still does nothing. And he gets away with it.

    It is just crazy. Dangerous. And crazy.
    Absolutely. Why don’t people think for a millisecond before posting something like that.
    Anyone know what this one is about?

    https://twitter.com/MichaelDugher/status/1031473408628932608
    Is it about Margaet Hodge’s daughter?
    They are trying to claim that because Hodge's daughter works in BBC News there is some grand conspiracy at the heart of the establishment. Classic smear tactics - based on her family heritage. Pretty clear what they are driving at.
    Extremist fruitcakes are just that but this sort of conspiracy theory used to be commonplace even among pb Tories with their reds at the beeb scares. Jess Phillips MP said in one of the Jewish papers last week she gets equal twitter abuse from left and right but no-one has asked Theresa May to comment.
    She has a problem with abuse from people who claim to be Conservative members, as opposed to random right-wing idiots?
    I've no idea but every left-wing keyboard warrior on twitter is labelled a Corbynista.
    Maybe because so many of them include #JC4PM or similar in their posts and share stuff exclusively from others who are fellow travellers.

    Yes, people exist in a Twitter bubble - but so much of the left-on-left abuse is from those who espouse the Corbyn agenda explicitly.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,754
    HYUFD said:

    From the Sun poll:

    Brexit is an historic mistake and only now people are realising it:

    Agree: 44%
    Disagree: 30%

    http://www.deltapoll.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/SOS-website-post.pdf

    We should Leave the EU in March next year like it or not
    Is "like it or not" the precise phrasing of the question?! :confused:
  • Anorak said:

    Anorak said:


    I think this is much more sinister. The starting point is that there is a Zionist conspiracy and that any Jew is likely to be a part of it. It's not "75% of the BBC read the Guardian", or "newsnight editor was a member of the marxist party".

    As further evidence, this was the FOI put in by the same people trying to "out" Hodge's daughter.
    https://twitter.com/stejormur/status/1031466505224040448

    Wait until they find out the religious makeup of the editorial staff of PB.
    I think we all know it's exclusively run by remoaners.
    We prefer to think of ourselves as the Metropolitan Liberal Elite.
    The famous Remain elite that a mere 16.1 million people are part of
    I try and tell people about my working class Northern roots.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,392
    Perhaps the twitter mob think he's an honorary jew.
  • StereotomyStereotomy Posts: 4,092

    HYUFD said:

    From the Sun poll:

    Brexit is an historic mistake and only now people are realising it:

    Agree: 44%
    Disagree: 30%

    http://www.deltapoll.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/SOS-website-post.pdf

    We should Leave the EU in March next year like it or not

    Yes 47%
    No 28%

    The political class are trying to make heavy weather of the negotiations to convince us to change our mind

    Yes 48%
    No 12%


    That last question should give the Remainers pause for thought. By 4:1, they will own a shit settlement....
    What? It says that they're making heavy weather of the negotiations, not that they're making the settlement worse.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Some prime Leave-Remain bickering fodder here.

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1031458127097606145


    The city I was born and live (bradford) - made it to bottom of the list.

    Come on people,reasons why you wouldn't live in our great multicultural city ?

    Because it is full of muppets complaining about multiculturalism.

    It is very off putting now matter how lovely Bombay Stores is.
    I think the Muppets complaining about multiculturalism do something about it,it's called white - flight.

    My football team must be getting a reputation like man u of having fans who don't live in Bradford.
    Demographics of Manchester.

    Circa 67% White

    Demographics of Bradford

    Circa 67% White

    There must be another reason why Manchester is thirty places higher than Bradford than multiculturalism.

    Anorak said:

    Anorak said:


    I think this is much more sinister. The starting point is that there is a Zionist conspiracy and that any Jew is likely to be a part of it. It's not "75% of the BBC read the Guardian", or "newsnight editor was a member of the marxist party".

    As further evidence, this was the FOI put in by the same people trying to "out" Hodge's daughter.
    https://twitter.com/stejormur/status/1031466505224040448

    Wait until they find out the religious makeup of the editorial staff of PB.
    I think we all know it's exclusively run by remoaners.
    We prefer to think of ourselves as the Metropolitan Liberal Elite.
    Or snobs.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,206
    edited August 2018

    HYUFD said:

    From the Sun poll:

    Brexit is an historic mistake and only now people are realising it:

    Agree: 44%
    Disagree: 30%

    http://www.deltapoll.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/SOS-website-post.pdf

    We should Leave the EU in March next year like it or not
    Is "like it or not" the precise phrasing of the question?! :confused:
    Yes 'We should leave on March 29th next year as planned, like it or not'



  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,815
    Mr. Eagles, you're right to be concerned.

    Once people realise Caesarian fantasists hold such sway, they're bound to be outraged.

    Anyway, I must be off to enjoy wholesome and civilised Hannibalic activities such as exercise, reading history, and playing videogames.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Some prime Leave-Remain bickering fodder here.

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1031458127097606145


    The city I was born and live (bradford) - made it to bottom of the list.

    Come on people,reasons why you wouldn't live in our great multicultural city ?

    Because it is full of muppets complaining about multiculturalism.

    It is very off putting now matter how lovely Bombay Stores is.
    I think the Muppets complaining about multiculturalism do something about it,it's called white - flight.

    My football team must be getting a reputation like man u of having fans who don't live in Bradford.
    Demographics of Manchester.

    Circa 67% White

    Demographics of Bradford

    Circa 67% White

    There must be another reason why Manchester is thirty places higher than Bradford than multiculturalism.
    For the demographics of bradford,in future years serveys will the 67% go up or down in your opinion ?
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,179

    tlg86 said:

    Some prime Leave-Remain bickering fodder here.

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1031458127097606145


    The city I was born and live (bradford) - made it to bottom of the list.

    Come on people,reasons why you wouldn't live in our great multicultural city ?

    Because it is full of muppets complaining about multiculturalism.

    It is very off putting now matter how lovely Bombay Stores is.
    I think the Muppets complaining about multiculturalism do something about it,it's called white - flight.

    My football team must be getting a reputation like man u of having fans who don't live in Bradford.
    Demographics of Manchester.

    Circa 67% White

    Demographics of Bradford

    Circa 67% White

    There must be another reason why Manchester is thirty places higher than Bradford than multiculturalism.
    That's not a particularly fair comparison, is it? I'd say Greater Manchester is a fairer comparison and that is 83% white.
    The polling was about the cities, so only felt fair to use the demographics of Manchester itself.
    Okay, in that case you need to look at Bradford City rather than local authority which goes out a long way.

    So for the following wards I get a white percentage of 36.3%.

    Wibsey
    Great Horton
    Toller
    Manningham
    Bolton and Undercliffe
    Bradford Moor
    Bowling and Barker End
    City
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,751

    Some prime Leave-Remain bickering fodder here.

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1031458127097606145


    The city I was born and live (bradford) - made it to bottom of the list.

    Come on people,reasons why you wouldn't live in our great multicultural city ?

    Because it is full of muppets complaining about multiculturalism.

    It is very off putting now matter how lovely Bombay Stores is.
    I think the Muppets complaining about multiculturalism do something about it,it's called white - flight.

    My football team must be getting a reputation like man u of having fans who don't live in Bradford.
    Demographics of Manchester.

    Circa 67% White

    Demographics of Bradford

    Circa 67% White

    There must be another reason why Manchester is thirty places higher than Bradford than multiculturalism.
    Are those figures for the City of Bradford or Bradford District? I would have thought that the city had a less than 67% white share. I doubt that when people are assessing Bradford, they're thinking of Howarth or Ilkley.
  • Some prime Leave-Remain bickering fodder here.

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1031458127097606145


    The city I was born and live (bradford) - made it to bottom of the list.

    Come on people,reasons why you wouldn't live in our great multicultural city ?

    Because it is full of muppets complaining about multiculturalism.

    It is very off putting now matter how lovely Bombay Stores is.
    I think the Muppets complaining about multiculturalism do something about it,it's called white - flight.

    My football team must be getting a reputation like man u of having fans who don't live in Bradford.
    Demographics of Manchester.

    Circa 67% White

    Demographics of Bradford

    Circa 67% White

    There must be another reason why Manchester is thirty places higher than Bradford than multiculturalism.
    For the demographics of bradford,in future years serveys will the 67% go up or down in your opinion ?
    Up.
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300

    Sandpit said:

    Wow. A new low for the Cult:

    https://twitter.com/PLSpeakman/status/1031255524820574209

    In response to news that Mann's grandkid is ill.

    Nothing should surprise anyone about how low they are happy to go. They delight in bringing misery and fear.

    And yet Corbyn still does nothing. And he gets away with it.

    It is just crazy. Dangerous. And crazy.
    Absolutely. Why don’t people think for a millisecond before posting something like that.
    Anyone know what this one is about?

    https://twitter.com/MichaelDugher/status/1031473408628932608
    Is it about Margaet Hodge’s daughter?
    They are trying to claim that because Hodge's daughter works in BBC News there is some grand conspiracy at the heart of the establishment. Classic smear tactics - based on her family heritage. Pretty clear what they are driving at.
    Extremist fruitcakes are just that but this sort of conspiracy theory used to be commonplace even among pb Tories with their reds at the beeb scares. Jess Phillips MP said in one of the Jewish papers last week she gets equal twitter abuse from left and right but no-one has asked Theresa May to comment.
    She has a problem with abuse from people who claim to be Conservative members, as opposed to random right-wing idiots?
    I've no idea but every left-wing keyboard warrior on twitter is labelled a Corbynista.
    Maybe because so many of them include #JC4PM or similar in their posts and share stuff exclusively from others who are fellow travellers.

    Yes, people exist in a Twitter bubble - but so much of the left-on-left abuse is from those who espouse the Corbyn agenda explicitly.
    For the sake of my sanity and blood pressure, I keep off twitter. Given what is on twitter, one hates to think how Plato managed to get herself banned.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,751
    After this last weekend's piece, I probably am too, now.
  • Some prime Leave-Remain bickering fodder here.

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1031458127097606145


    The city I was born and live (bradford) - made it to bottom of the list.

    Come on people,reasons why you wouldn't live in our great multicultural city ?

    Because it is full of muppets complaining about multiculturalism.

    It is very off putting now matter how lovely Bombay Stores is.
    I think the Muppets complaining about multiculturalism do something about it,it's called white - flight.

    My football team must be getting a reputation like man u of having fans who don't live in Bradford.
    Demographics of Manchester.

    Circa 67% White

    Demographics of Bradford

    Circa 67% White

    There must be another reason why Manchester is thirty places higher than Bradford than multiculturalism.
    Are those figures for the City of Bradford or Bradford District? I would have thought that the city had a less than 67% white share. I doubt that when people are assessing Bradford, they're thinking of Howarth or Ilkley.
    "On Ilkla Moor Baht 'at"
  • Some prime Leave-Remain bickering fodder here.

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1031458127097606145


    The city I was born and live (bradford) - made it to bottom of the list.

    Come on people,reasons why you wouldn't live in our great multicultural city ?

    Because it is full of muppets complaining about multiculturalism.

    It is very off putting now matter how lovely Bombay Stores is.
    I think the Muppets complaining about multiculturalism do something about it,it's called white - flight.

    My football team must be getting a reputation like man u of having fans who don't live in Bradford.
    Demographics of Manchester.

    Circa 67% White

    Demographics of Bradford

    Circa 67% White

    There must be another reason why Manchester is thirty places higher than Bradford than multiculturalism.
    Are those figures for the City of Bradford or Bradford District? I would have thought that the city had a less than 67% white share. I doubt that when people are assessing Bradford, they're thinking of Howarth or Ilkley.
    I took my figures from here.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_Bradford
  • After this last weekend's piece, I probably am too, now.
    I've been called a Zionist on twitter on a few occasions.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,179

    Some prime Leave-Remain bickering fodder here.

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1031458127097606145


    The city I was born and live (bradford) - made it to bottom of the list.

    Come on people,reasons why you wouldn't live in our great multicultural city ?

    Because it is full of muppets complaining about multiculturalism.

    It is very off putting now matter how lovely Bombay Stores is.
    I think the Muppets complaining about multiculturalism do something about it,it's called white - flight.

    My football team must be getting a reputation like man u of having fans who don't live in Bradford.
    Demographics of Manchester.

    Circa 67% White

    Demographics of Bradford

    Circa 67% White

    There must be another reason why Manchester is thirty places higher than Bradford than multiculturalism.
    Are those figures for the City of Bradford or Bradford District? I would have thought that the city had a less than 67% white share. I doubt that when people are assessing Bradford, they're thinking of Howarth or Ilkley.
    I took my figures from here.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_Bradford
    The cynic in me thinks the West Yorkshire metropolitan districts go out a long way to cause such statistical confusion.
  • Sandpit said:

    Wow. A new low for the Cult:

    https://twitter.com/PLSpeakman/status/1031255524820574209

    In response to news that Mann's grandkid is ill.

    Nothing should surprise anyone about how low they are happy to go. They delight in bringing misery and fear.

    And yet Corbyn still does nothing. And he gets away with it.

    It is just crazy. Dangerous. And crazy.
    Absolutely. Why don’t people think for a millisecond before posting something like that.
    Anyone know what this one is about?

    https://twitter.com/MichaelDugher/status/1031473408628932608
    Is it about Margaet Hodge’s daughter?
    They are trying to claim that because Hodge's daughter works in BBC News there is some grand conspiracy at the heart of the establishment. Classic smear tactics - based on her family heritage. Pretty clear what they are driving at.
    Extremist fruitcakes are just that but this sort of conspiracy theory used to be commonplace even among pb Tories with their reds at the beeb scares. Jess Phillips MP said in one of the Jewish papers last week she gets equal twitter abuse from left and right but no-one has asked Theresa May to comment.
    She has a problem with abuse from people who claim to be Conservative members, as opposed to random right-wing idiots?
    I've no idea but every left-wing keyboard warrior on twitter is labelled a Corbynista.
    Maybe because so many of them include #JC4PM or similar in their posts and share stuff exclusively from others who are fellow travellers.

    Yes, people exist in a Twitter bubble - but so much of the left-on-left abuse is from those who espouse the Corbyn agenda explicitly.
    For the sake of my sanity and blood pressure, I keep off twitter. Given what is on twitter, one hates to think how Plato managed to get herself banned.
    It happened around the same time as Twitter purged a lot of Russian bot accounts.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Some prime Leave-Remain bickering fodder here.

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1031458127097606145


    The city I was born and live (bradford) - made it to bottom of the list.

    Come on people,reasons why you wouldn't live in our great multicultural city ?

    Because it is full of muppets complaining about multiculturalism.

    It is very off putting now matter how lovely Bombay Stores is.
    I think the Muppets complaining about multiculturalism do something about it,it's called white - flight.

    My football team must be getting a reputation like man u of having fans who don't live in Bradford.
    Demographics of Manchester.

    Circa 67% White

    Demographics of Bradford

    Circa 67% White

    There must be another reason why Manchester is thirty places higher than Bradford than multiculturalism.
    For the demographics of bradford,in future years serveys will the 67% go up or down in your opinion ?
    Up.
    And may I ask how will that come about with people moving and birth rate's.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,754
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    From the Sun poll:

    Brexit is an historic mistake and only now people are realising it:

    Agree: 44%
    Disagree: 30%

    http://www.deltapoll.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/SOS-website-post.pdf

    We should Leave the EU in March next year like it or not
    Is "like it or not" the precise phrasing of the question?! :confused:
    Yes 'We should leave on March 29th next year as planned, like it or not'
    So no majority for leaving "like it or not", and only three quarters of 2016 Leave voters agree that we should leave on March 29th come what may...
  • Sandpit said:

    Wow. A new low for the Cult:

    https://twitter.com/PLSpeakman/status/1031255524820574209

    In response to news that Mann's grandkid is ill.

    Nothing should surprise anyone about how low they are happy to go. They delight in bringing misery and fear.

    And yet Corbyn still does nothing. And he gets away with it.

    It is just crazy. Dangerous. And crazy.
    Absolutely. Why don’t people think for a millisecond before posting something like that.
    Anyone know what this one is about?

    https://twitter.com/MichaelDugher/status/1031473408628932608
    Is it about Margaet Hodge’s daughter?
    They are trying to claim that because Hodge's daughter works in BBC News there is some grand conspiracy at the heart of the establishment. Classic smear tactics - based on her family heritage. Pretty clear what they are driving at.
    Extremist fruitcakes are just that but this sort of conspiracy theory used to be commonplace even among pb Tories with their reds at the beeb scares. Jess Phillips MP said in one of the Jewish papers last week she gets equal twitter abuse from left and right but no-one has asked Theresa May to comment.
    She has a problem with abuse from people who claim to be Conservative members, as opposed to random right-wing idiots?
    I've no idea but every left-wing keyboard warrior on twitter is labelled a Corbynista.
    Maybe because so many of them include #JC4PM or similar in their posts and share stuff exclusively from others who are fellow travellers.

    Yes, people exist in a Twitter bubble - but so much of the left-on-left abuse is from those who espouse the Corbyn agenda explicitly.
    For the sake of my sanity and blood pressure, I keep off twitter. Given what is on twitter, one hates to think how Plato managed to get herself banned.
    It happened around the same time as Twitter purged a lot of Russian bot accounts.
    I'm sending this message from my dacha overlooking a massive Troll Farm just outside the Russian spa town of Novosunilsk :lol:
  • tlg86 said:

    Some prime Leave-Remain bickering fodder here.

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1031458127097606145


    The city I was born and live (bradford) - made it to bottom of the list.

    Come on people,reasons why you wouldn't live in our great multicultural city ?

    Because it is full of muppets complaining about multiculturalism.

    It is very off putting now matter how lovely Bombay Stores is.
    I think the Muppets complaining about multiculturalism do something about it,it's called white - flight.

    My football team must be getting a reputation like man u of having fans who don't live in Bradford.
    Demographics of Manchester.

    Circa 67% White

    Demographics of Bradford

    Circa 67% White

    There must be another reason why Manchester is thirty places higher than Bradford than multiculturalism.
    Are those figures for the City of Bradford or Bradford District? I would have thought that the city had a less than 67% white share. I doubt that when people are assessing Bradford, they're thinking of Howarth or Ilkley.
    I took my figures from here.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_Bradford
    The cynic in me thinks the West Yorkshire metropolitan districts go out a long way to cause such statistical confusion.
    Yup.

    I might be becoming a West Yorkshireman soon.

    Looking at properties in Shipley.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,313
    Mortimer said:

    "It has already been reported in the press that both the German and French car industries are lobbying Brussels hard for a deal that leaves their businesses unaffected.
    I have no doubt that the Audi's, BMW's, Mercs will keep selling large volumes of cars here. The real issue is the Fords and Opel's made in Germany that become very un-competitive. 66% of Opel staff are in Germany"

    I am sure it will be a consideration for those companies. However their Vice Presidents of Sales will already be looking at places where they can mitigate any losses by increased activity in other counties. It is a problem that they could no doubt do without, but if we think this will be a lobbying game changer for us we are very much clinging to false hope.The "they need us more than we need them" is just another lie from the Boris Johnson school of dishonest campaigning.

    Let me introduce you to Mr Trade Deficit....
    I accept there is a trade deficit, but sorry, that really is very simplistic. They (being the remaining 27 nations as a whole) definitely do not need us more than we need them in terms of trade. The only negotiating position on "no deal" is that it will cause disruption and instability. A kind of "mutually assured destruction" approach. Pretty crap way to treat one's neighbours, but hey they are only stinky furriners hey? As for those who say Europe is "trying to punish us" they need not worry for the time being, the rest of the world is looking in incredulity at us(or to be precise 52%) punishing ourselves.
  • Some prime Leave-Remain bickering fodder here.

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1031458127097606145


    The city I was born and live (bradford) - made it to bottom of the list.

    Come on people,reasons why you wouldn't live in our great multicultural city ?

    Because it is full of muppets complaining about multiculturalism.

    It is very off putting now matter how lovely Bombay Stores is.
    I think the Muppets complaining about multiculturalism do something about it,it's called white - flight.

    My football team must be getting a reputation like man u of having fans who don't live in Bradford.
    Demographics of Manchester.

    Circa 67% White

    Demographics of Bradford

    Circa 67% White

    There must be another reason why Manchester is thirty places higher than Bradford than multiculturalism.
    For the demographics of bradford,in future years serveys will the 67% go up or down in your opinion ?
    Up.
    And may I ask how will that come about with people moving and birth rate's.
    Post Brexit the UK will be very unattractive to people wanting to move to the UK so I'd expect that will have an impact.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Some prime Leave-Remain bickering fodder here.

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1031458127097606145


    The city I was born and live (bradford) - made it to bottom of the list.

    Come on people,reasons why you wouldn't live in our great multicultural city ?

    Because it is full of muppets complaining about multiculturalism.

    It is very off putting now matter how lovely Bombay Stores is.
    I think the Muppets complaining about multiculturalism do something about it,it's called white - flight.

    My football team must be getting a reputation like man u of having fans who don't live in Bradford.
    Demographics of Manchester.

    Circa 67% White

    Demographics of Bradford

    Circa 67% White

    There must be another reason why Manchester is thirty places higher than Bradford than multiculturalism.
    For the demographics of bradford,in future years serveys will the 67% go up or down in your opinion ?
    Up.
    And may I ask how will that come about with people moving and birth rate's.
    Post Brexit the UK will be very unattractive to people wanting to move to the UK so I'd expect that will have an impact.
    Just proved you know fcuk all about bradford.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,221

    Some prime Leave-Remain bickering fodder here.

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1031458127097606145


    The city I was born and live (bradford) - made it to bottom of the list.

    Come on people,reasons why you wouldn't live in our great multicultural city ?

    Because it is full of muppets complaining about multiculturalism.

    It is very off putting now matter how lovely Bombay Stores is.
    I think the Muppets complaining about multiculturalism do something about it,it's called white - flight.

    My football team must be getting a reputation like man u of having fans who don't live in Bradford.
    Demographics of Manchester.

    Circa 67% White

    Demographics of Bradford

    Circa 67% White

    There must be another reason why Manchester is thirty places higher than Bradford than multiculturalism.
    For the demographics of bradford,in future years serveys will the 67% go up or down in your opinion ?
    Up.
    And may I ask how will that come about with people moving and birth rate's.
    Post Brexit the UK will be very unattractive to people wanting to move to the UK so I'd expect that will have an impact.
    You've not written what you think you have :)
  • Some prime Leave-Remain bickering fodder here.

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1031458127097606145


    The city I was born and live (bradford) - made it to bottom of the list.

    Come on people,reasons why you wouldn't live in our great multicultural city ?

    Because it is full of muppets complaining about multiculturalism.

    It is very off putting now matter how lovely Bombay Stores is.
    I think the Muppets complaining about multiculturalism do something about it,it's called white - flight.

    My football team must be getting a reputation like man u of having fans who don't live in Bradford.
    Demographics of Manchester.

    Circa 67% White

    Demographics of Bradford

    Circa 67% White

    There must be another reason why Manchester is thirty places higher than Bradford than multiculturalism.
    For the demographics of bradford,in future years serveys will the 67% go up or down in your opinion ?
    Up.
    And may I ask how will that come about with people moving and birth rate's.
    Post Brexit the UK will be very unattractive to people wanting to move to the UK so I'd expect that will have an impact.
    Just proved you know fcuk all about bradford.
    So no response, just abuse.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992
    edited August 2018
    And back to anti-semitism and that The Reunion prog on R4 on the Holocaust.

    It of course ends with a warning about the resurgence of anti-semitism today.

    Again, it beats me why the BBC would choose to air this programme right now. Nick P? Any ideas?
  • Pulpstar said:

    Some prime Leave-Remain bickering fodder here.

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1031458127097606145


    The city I was born and live (bradford) - made it to bottom of the list.

    Come on people,reasons why you wouldn't live in our great multicultural city ?

    Because it is full of muppets complaining about multiculturalism.

    It is very off putting now matter how lovely Bombay Stores is.
    I think the Muppets complaining about multiculturalism do something about it,it's called white - flight.

    My football team must be getting a reputation like man u of having fans who don't live in Bradford.
    Demographics of Manchester.

    Circa 67% White

    Demographics of Bradford

    Circa 67% White

    There must be another reason why Manchester is thirty places higher than Bradford than multiculturalism.
    For the demographics of bradford,in future years serveys will the 67% go up or down in your opinion ?
    Up.
    And may I ask how will that come about with people moving and birth rate's.
    Post Brexit the UK will be very unattractive to people wanting to move to the UK so I'd expect that will have an impact.
    You've not written what you think you have :)
    Am writing about five different reports, cut me some slack.

    Oh and cursing Jos Buttler.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,906
    edited August 2018
    Bradford? Bleugh. Doesn't even have proper roads out bar the 606. What's the point in the place?
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,313

    Sandpit said:

    Wow. A new low for the Cult:

    https://twitter.com/PLSpeakman/status/1031255524820574209

    In response to news that Mann's grandkid is ill.

    Nothing should surprise anyone about how low they are happy to go. They delight in bringing misery and fear.

    And yet Corbyn still does nothing. And he gets away with it.

    It is just crazy. Dangerous. And crazy.
    Absolutely. Why don’t people think for a millisecond before posting something like that.
    Anyone know what this one is about?

    https://twitter.com/MichaelDugher/status/1031473408628932608
    Is it about Margaet Hodge’s daughter?
    They are trying to claim that because Hodge's daughter works in BBC News there is some grand conspiracy at the heart of the establishment. Classic smear tactics - based on her family heritage. Pretty clear what they are driving at.
    Extremist fruitcakes are just that but this sort of conspiracy theory used to be commonplace even among pb Tories with their reds at the beeb scares. Jess Phillips MP said in one of the Jewish papers last week she gets equal twitter abuse from left and right but no-one has asked Theresa May to comment.
    She has a problem with abuse from people who claim to be Conservative members, as opposed to random right-wing idiots?
    Is there a distinction between the two these days?
    Just about. There are a few left that are not middle age sweaty men whose eyes bulge and start to swivel as soon as the EU/immigration/political correctness (delete where appropriate) is mentioned
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,179

    tlg86 said:

    Some prime Leave-Remain bickering fodder here.

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1031458127097606145


    The city I was born and live (bradford) - made it to bottom of the list.

    Come on people,reasons why you wouldn't live in our great multicultural city ?

    Because it is full of muppets complaining about multiculturalism.

    It is very off putting now matter how lovely Bombay Stores is.
    I think the Muppets complaining about multiculturalism do something about it,it's called white - flight.

    My football team must be getting a reputation like man u of having fans who don't live in Bradford.
    Demographics of Manchester.

    Circa 67% White

    Demographics of Bradford

    Circa 67% White

    There must be another reason why Manchester is thirty places higher than Bradford than multiculturalism.
    Are those figures for the City of Bradford or Bradford District? I would have thought that the city had a less than 67% white share. I doubt that when people are assessing Bradford, they're thinking of Howarth or Ilkley.
    I took my figures from here.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_Bradford
    The cynic in me thinks the West Yorkshire metropolitan districts go out a long way to cause such statistical confusion.
    Yup.

    I might be becoming a West Yorkshireman soon.

    Looking at properties in Shipley.
    You want Philip Davies as your MP?
  • tlg86 said:


    You want Philip Davies as your MP?

    Well when the alternative is Jared O'Mara.

    Plus I can help deselect Davies.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,313

    Some prime Leave-Remain bickering fodder here.

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1031458127097606145


    The city I was born and live (bradford) - made it to bottom of the list.

    Come on people,reasons why you wouldn't live in our great multicultural city ?

    Because it is full of muppets complaining about multiculturalism.

    It is very off putting now matter how lovely Bombay Stores is.
    I think the Muppets complaining about multiculturalism do something about it,it's called white - flight.

    My football team must be getting a reputation like man u of having fans who don't live in Bradford.
    Demographics of Manchester.

    Circa 67% White

    Demographics of Bradford

    Circa 67% White

    There must be another reason why Manchester is thirty places higher than Bradford than multiculturalism.
    For the demographics of bradford,in future years serveys will the 67% go up or down in your opinion ?
    Up.
    And may I ask how will that come about with people moving and birth rate's.
    Post Brexit the UK will be very unattractive to people wanting to move to the UK so I'd expect that will have an impact.
    It will mean that the government will allow in an equal number of non-EU citizens to make up the numbers. The point about immigration is that no-one ever seems to mention that the government has always had control over non-EU migration which makes up approximately half. Take back control to control immigration, that's what I say, oh hang on we already had control, but chose to ignore it!
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Some prime Leave-Remain bickering fodder here.

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1031458127097606145


    The city I was born and live (bradford) - made it to bottom of the list.

    Come on people,reasons why you wouldn't live in our great multicultural city ?

    Because it is full of muppets complaining about multiculturalism.

    It is very off putting now matter how lovely Bombay Stores is.
    I think the Muppets complaining about multiculturalism do something about it,it's called white - flight.

    My football team must be getting a reputation like man u of having fans who don't live in Bradford.
    Demographics of Manchester.

    Circa 67% White

    Demographics of Bradford

    Circa 67% White

    There must be another reason why Manchester is thirty places higher than Bradford than multiculturalism.
    For the demographics of bradford,in future years serveys will the 67% go up or down in your opinion ?
    Up.
    And may I ask how will that come about with people moving and birth rate's.
    Post Brexit the UK will be very unattractive to people wanting to move to the UK so I'd expect that will have an impact.
    Just proved you know fcuk all about bradford.
    So no response, just abuse.
    Well when you try to take the p!$$ with your answers,67% will go upwards and the brexit crap,sorry you deserve it.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,313
    Scott_P said:
    Brexiteers will tell you it is all just "Project Fear" while they conveniently indulge in "Project Ostrich"
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,751

    Some prime Leave-Remain bickering fodder here.

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1031458127097606145


    The city I was born and live (bradford) - made it to bottom of the list.

    Come on people,reasons why you wouldn't live in our great multicultural city ?

    Because it is full of muppets complaining about multiculturalism.

    It is very off putting now matter how lovely Bombay Stores is.
    I think the Muppets complaining about multiculturalism do something about it,it's called white - flight.

    My football team must be getting a reputation like man u of having fans who don't live in Bradford.
    Demographics of Manchester.

    Circa 67% White

    Demographics of Bradford

    Circa 67% White

    There must be another reason why Manchester is thirty places higher than Bradford than multiculturalism.
    Are those figures for the City of Bradford or Bradford District? I would have thought that the city had a less than 67% white share. I doubt that when people are assessing Bradford, they're thinking of Howarth or Ilkley.
    I took my figures from here.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_Bradford
    Yes - those are the District figure. The city of Bradford is as above, less the Shipley and Keighley constituencies.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,628
    Scott_P said:
    This might be an interesting seam to mine....
  • Some prime Leave-Remain bickering fodder here.

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1031458127097606145


    The city I was born and live (bradford) - made it to bottom of the list.

    Come on people,reasons why you wouldn't live in our great multicultural city ?

    Because it is full of muppets complaining about multiculturalism.

    It is very off putting now matter how lovely Bombay Stores is.
    I think the Muppets complaining about multiculturalism do something about it,it's called white - flight.

    My football team must be getting a reputation like man u of having fans who don't live in Bradford.
    Demographics of Manchester.

    Circa 67% White

    Demographics of Bradford

    Circa 67% White

    There must be another reason why Manchester is thirty places higher than Bradford than multiculturalism.
    For the demographics of bradford,in future years serveys will the 67% go up or down in your opinion ?
    Up.
    And may I ask how will that come about with people moving and birth rate's.
    Post Brexit the UK will be very unattractive to people wanting to move to the UK so I'd expect that will have an impact.
    Just proved you know fcuk all about bradford.
    So no response, just abuse.
    Well when you try to take the p!$$ with your answers,67% will go upwards and the brexit crap,sorry you deserve it.
    They were my honest opinions, I'm sorry that you're such a snowflake, I'll leave you in your safe space.
  • NorthofStokeNorthofStoke Posts: 1,758
    edited August 2018
    Being perceived as trying to thwart a millenarian movement will always get a very strong reponse from true believers. Before social media, mad and vicious undercurrents would be less visible. I think the 40% or so LP voting intention in the polls is underpinned by inattention and habit. How big is the cult? How will they react when it all turns to ashes? It might depend on whether it is electoral defeat ("stabbed in the back by traitors", "one more push" etc.) or by the disaster of a Corbyn government. Mind you in the latter case it will also be "stabbed in the back by traitors" as well as US imperialism and "Zionist" forces..

    There are a significant number of people who are now whipped up into a frenzy, some have been waiting all their lives for this. They can almost taste final victory. How can it all be defused without causing damage to society and democracy?
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    Scott_P said:
    It's all a bit "getting Al Capone on tax evasion", isn't it.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,628

    Some prime Leave-Remain bickering fodder here.

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1031458127097606145


    The city I was born and live (bradford) - made it to bottom of the list.

    Come on people,reasons why you wouldn't live in our great multicultural city ?

    Because it is full of muppets complaining about multiculturalism.

    It is very off putting now matter how lovely Bombay Stores is.
    I think the Muppets complaining about multiculturalism do something about it,it's called white - flight.

    My football team must be getting a reputation like man u of having fans who don't live in Bradford.
    Demographics of Manchester.

    Circa 67% White

    Demographics of Bradford

    Circa 67% White

    There must be another reason why Manchester is thirty places higher than Bradford than multiculturalism.
    For the demographics of bradford,in future years serveys will the 67% go up or down in your opinion ?
    Up.
    And may I ask how will that come about with people moving and birth rate's.
    Post Brexit the UK will be very unattractive to people wanting to move to the UK so I'd expect that will have an impact.
    You'll still be here. That will continue to draw the adoring masses.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Some prime Leave-Remain bickering fodder here.

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1031458127097606145


    The city I was born and live (bradford) - made it to bottom of the list.

    Come on people,reasons why you wouldn't live in our great multicultural city ?

    Because it is full of muppets complaining about multiculturalism.

    It is very off putting now matter how lovely Bombay Stores is.
    I think the Muppets complaining about multiculturalism do something about it,it's called white - flight.

    My football team must be getting a reputation like man u of having fans who don't live in Bradford.
    Demographics of Manchester.

    Circa 67% White

    Demographics of Bradford

    Circa 67% White

    There must be another reason why Manchester is thirty places higher than Bradford than multiculturalism.
    For the demographics of bradford,in future years serveys will the 67% go up or down in your opinion ?
    Up.
    And may I ask how will that come about with people moving and birth rate's.
    Post Brexit the UK will be very unattractive to people wanting to move to the UK so I'd expect that will have an impact.
    Just proved you know fcuk all about bradford.
    So no response, just abuse.
    Well when you try to take the p!$$ with your answers,67% will go upwards and the brexit crap,sorry you deserve it.
    They were my honest opinions, I'm sorry that you're such a snowflake, I'll leave you in your safe space.
    Like I said,if those are your honest opinions then you know ---- all about bradford.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,881

    Being perceived as trying to thwart a millenarian movement will always get a very strong reponse from true believers. Before social media, mad and vicious undercurrents would be less visible. I think the 40% or so LP voting intention in the polls is underpinned by inattention and habit. How big is the cult? How will they react when it all turns to ashes? It might depend on whether it is electoral defeat ("stabbed in the back by traitors", "one more push" etc.) or by the disaster of a Corbyn government. Mind you in the latter case it will also be "stabbed in the back by traitors" as well as US imperialism and "Zionist" forces..

    There are a significant number of people who are now whipped up into a frenzy, some have been waiting all their lives for this. They can almost taste final victory. How can it all be defused without causing damage to society and democracy?

    Sounds almost as bad as Brexit.
  • surbysurby Posts: 1,227

    Scott_P said:
    This might be an interesting seam to mine....
    Isn't Andy Slaughter a "moderate" now-a-days.
  • You'll still be here. That will continue to draw the adoring masses.

    Alas with the Brexit we're headed for I'll be spending most of the working week in Germany.
  • surbysurby Posts: 1,227
    Scott_P said:
    So it's a win-win for every country except the UK. Brexit dividend.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,842
    Anorak said:

    Scott_P said:
    It's all a bit "getting Al Capone on tax evasion", isn't it.
    I made the same point a few days ago. It often seems to be the paperwork that brings down certain types of bosses...
  • NorthofStokeNorthofStoke Posts: 1,758
    IanB2 said:

    Being perceived as trying to thwart a millenarian movement will always get a very strong reponse from true believers. Before social media, mad and vicious undercurrents would be less visible. I think the 40% or so LP voting intention in the polls is underpinned by inattention and habit. How big is the cult? How will they react when it all turns to ashes? It might depend on whether it is electoral defeat ("stabbed in the back by traitors", "one more push" etc.) or by the disaster of a Corbyn government. Mind you in the latter case it will also be "stabbed in the back by traitors" as well as US imperialism and "Zionist" forces..

    There are a significant number of people who are now whipped up into a frenzy, some have been waiting all their lives for this. They can almost taste final victory. How can it all be defused without causing damage to society and democracy?

    Sounds almost as bad as Brexit.
    There are distinct similarities. Howver the intensity and hatred of the most dedicated Corbynistas appears of a higher magnitude.
  • RecidivistRecidivist Posts: 4,679

    Sandpit said:

    Wow. A new low for the Cult:

    https://twitter.com/PLSpeakman/status/1031255524820574209

    In response to news that Mann's grandkid is ill.

    Nothing should surprise anyone about how low they are happy to go. They delight in bringing misery and fear.

    And yet Corbyn still does nothing. And he gets away with it.

    It is just crazy. Dangerous. And crazy.
    Absolutely. Why don’t people think for a millisecond before posting something like that.
    Anyone know what this one is about?

    https://twitter.com/MichaelDugher/status/1031473408628932608
    Is it about Margaet Hodge’s daughter?
    They are trying to claim that because Hodge's daughter works in BBC News there is some grand conspiracy at the heart of the establishment. Classic smear tactics - based on her family heritage. Pretty clear what they are driving at.
    Extremist fruitcakes are just that but this sort of conspiracy theory used to be commonplace even among pb Tories with their reds at the beeb scares. Jess Phillips MP said in one of the Jewish papers last week she gets equal twitter abuse from left and right but no-one has asked Theresa May to comment.
    She has a problem with abuse from people who claim to be Conservative members, as opposed to random right-wing idiots?
    I've no idea but every left-wing keyboard warrior on twitter is labelled a Corbynista.
    Maybe because so many of them include #JC4PM or similar in their posts and share stuff exclusively from others who are fellow travellers.

    Yes, people exist in a Twitter bubble - but so much of the left-on-left abuse is from those who espouse the Corbyn agenda explicitly.
    I've not noticed Corbyn supporters being any worse than anyone else on Twitter.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,318

    Scott_P said:
    This might be an interesting seam to mine....
    As I mentioned upthread, look at his funding and links with groups/individuals subject to sanctions.
  • surbysurby Posts: 1,227
    HYUFD said:

    From the Sun poll:

    Brexit is an historic mistake and only now people are realising it:

    Agree: 44%
    Disagree: 30%

    http://www.deltapoll.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/SOS-website-post.pdf

    We should Leave the EU in March next year like it or not

    Yes 47%
    No 28%

    The political class are trying to make heavy weather of the negotiations to convince us to change our mind

    Yes 48%
    No 12%


    Are these figures also from the Deltapoll ? It does not make sense if by 44% to 30% respondents think Brexit is a historic mistake.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,751

    tlg86 said:


    You want Philip Davies as your MP?

    Well when the alternative is Jared O'Mara.

    Plus I can help deselect Davies.
    You'll have to get yourself onto the constituency Executive first.
  • BromBrom Posts: 3,760
    surby said:

    HYUFD said:

    From the Sun poll:

    Brexit is an historic mistake and only now people are realising it:

    Agree: 44%
    Disagree: 30%

    http://www.deltapoll.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/SOS-website-post.pdf

    We should Leave the EU in March next year like it or not

    Yes 47%
    No 28%

    The political class are trying to make heavy weather of the negotiations to convince us to change our mind

    Yes 48%
    No 12%


    Are these figures also from the Deltapoll ? It does not make sense if by 44% to 30% respondents think Brexit is a historic mistake.
    Hence the 'like it or not' part I suspect.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,628

    Anorak said:

    Scott_P said:
    It's all a bit "getting Al Capone on tax evasion", isn't it.
    I made the same point a few days ago. It often seems to be the paperwork that brings down certain types of bosses...
    Or lack of it....
  • tlg86 said:


    You want Philip Davies as your MP?

    Well when the alternative is Jared O'Mara.

    Plus I can help deselect Davies.
    You'll have to get yourself onto the constituency Executive first.
    I'll charm my way on to that, I expect the glowing reference I'll get from a former Shipley Constituency Chairman will help.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,751

    Scott_P said:
    This might be an interesting seam to mine....
    People are clearly already mining it. Once all the examples are put together, this really could get quite awkward for him - especially any pre-Expenses scandal trips, which might have been treated more loosely (because they were all 'within the rules'), but which in retrospect don't look so justifiable. (Note - I don't know of any of these; I'm just extrapolating from those already in the public domain).
  • BromBrom Posts: 3,760
    Scott_P said:
    Probably your most meaningless graph yet. 'Number of new projects' is incredibly vague and indeed the accompanying article also contains zero detail.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,754
    surby said:

    HYUFD said:

    From the Sun poll:

    Brexit is an historic mistake and only now people are realising it:

    Agree: 44%
    Disagree: 30%

    http://www.deltapoll.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/SOS-website-post.pdf

    We should Leave the EU in March next year like it or not

    Yes 47%
    No 28%

    The political class are trying to make heavy weather of the negotiations to convince us to change our mind

    Yes 48%
    No 12%


    Are these figures also from the Deltapoll ? It does not make sense if by 44% to 30% respondents think Brexit is a historic mistake.
    That question was asked immediately after they asked if people thought politicians were deliberately making it difficult to convince people to change their minds so there's an element of push polling.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,842
    edited August 2018

    Scott_P said:
    This might be an interesting seam to mine....
    People are clearly already mining it. Once all the examples are put together, this really could get quite awkward for him - especially any pre-Expenses scandal trips, which might have been treated more loosely (because they were all 'within the rules'), but which in retrospect don't look so justifiable. (Note - I don't know of any of these; I'm just extrapolating from those already in the public domain).
    I am intrigued to imagine how the process might work if the leader of the opposition were found to have broken the rules of the House in this way. I imagine most people in that situation would step down before they were suspended from the Commons (assuming a Paisley type punishment)

    But Corbyn, as we have observed many times, is not most people. I suspect he would carry on and just miss 4 weeks of PMQs - and maybe go on a Middle East tour to bring about world peace.
  • OchEyeOchEye Posts: 1,469
    Oops, another wrong sort of Jew, will be reporting Corbyn for antisemitism, again
    https://www.facebook.com/TheDeenShowTV/videos/10155169169746104/UzpfSTU4MDkyODI3NjoxMDE1NTk3ODc1MjkzMzI3Nw/?
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,683
    Scott_P said:
    That's deeply worrying. On a related not, I learnt last week that my employer is going to move its entire logistics operation to the Netherlands. This is purely due to Brexit and will be done regardless of what, if any, Brexit deal is eventually done. What struck me was how casual everyone was about it; it was just treated as something that obviously has to be done. I imagine a similar thing is going on in businesses up and down the land.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,628
    surby said:

    Scott_P said:
    So it's a win-win for every country except the UK. Brexit dividend.
    Let's have a look at those numbers by value, eh?
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,318

    Scott_P said:
    This might be an interesting seam to mine....
    People are clearly already mining it. Once all the examples are put together, this really could get quite awkward for him - especially any pre-Expenses scandal trips, which might have been treated more loosely (because they were all 'within the rules'), but which in retrospect don't look so justifiable. (Note - I don't know of any of these; I'm just extrapolating from those already in the public domain).
    Not registering can be corrected for and an apology made. But if there has been carelessness about compliance with laws on sanctions / foreign funding etc that could be more serious. One of the government’s duties is implementing international rules on such things. For a possible PM to have a casual approach to such matters is of a different order to failing to put something in a register.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,881

    tlg86 said:


    You want Philip Davies as your MP?

    Well when the alternative is Jared O'Mara.

    Plus I can help deselect Davies.
    You'll have to get yourself onto the constituency Executive first.
    Who was the last sitting Tory MP to be deselected?
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,751

    tlg86 said:


    You want Philip Davies as your MP?

    Well when the alternative is Jared O'Mara.

    Plus I can help deselect Davies.
    You'll have to get yourself onto the constituency Executive first.
    I'll charm my way on to that, I expect the glowing reference I'll get from a former Shipley Constituency Chairman will help.
    I'm sure.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,635

    Scott_P said:
    This might be an interesting seam to mine....
    People are clearly already mining it. Once all the examples are put together, this really could get quite awkward for him - especially any pre-Expenses scandal trips, which might have been treated more loosely (because they were all 'within the rules'), but which in retrospect don't look so justifiable. (Note - I don't know of any of these; I'm just extrapolating from those already in the public domain).
    There’s got to be some fun to be had by a young journalist wanting to make a name for themselves, to look carefully at every time Jeremy Corbyn has left the country in the last decade, where he went and who paid for his flights and hotels. Given that we are already seeing stories where people accompanying him have declared expenses but Jeremy hasn’t, there could be something in it.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,179
    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/aug/20/labour-condemns-sickening-lehman-brothers-reunion-party

    Given that Lehmans went under and the people working there lost their jobs, I find the outrage about former workers getting back together for some reminiscing a bit odd.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,754
    IanB2 said:

    tlg86 said:


    You want Philip Davies as your MP?

    Well when the alternative is Jared O'Mara.

    Plus I can help deselect Davies.
    You'll have to get yourself onto the constituency Executive first.
    Who was the last sitting Tory MP to be deselected?
    David Cameron?
  • RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223

    Some prime Leave-Remain bickering fodder here.

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1031458127097606145


    The city I was born and live (bradford) - made it to bottom of the list.

    Come on people,reasons why you wouldn't live in our great multicultural city ?

    Because it is full of muppets complaining about multiculturalism.

    It is very off putting now matter how lovely Bombay Stores is.
    I think the Muppets complaining about multiculturalism do something about it,it's called white - flight.

    My football team must be getting a reputation like man u of having fans who don't live in Bradford.
    Demographics of Manchester.

    Circa 67% White

    Demographics of Bradford

    Circa 67% White

    There must be another reason why Manchester is thirty places higher than Bradford than multiculturalism.
    For the demographics of bradford,in future years serveys will the 67% go up or down in your opinion ?
    Up.
    And may I ask how will that come about with people moving and birth rate's.
    Post Brexit the UK will be very unattractive to people wanting to move to the UK so I'd expect that will have an impact.
    It will still be a damn sight better than Mirpur.

    Even if you were right, you know as well as tykejohno that differential birth rates mean that further change is baked in.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,842
    tlg86 said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/aug/20/labour-condemns-sickening-lehman-brothers-reunion-party

    Given that Lehmans went under and the people working there lost their jobs, I find the outrage about former workers getting back together for some reminiscing a bit odd.

    Pathetic attempt to generate some headlines from the Labour press team.

    The staff were also victims of the collapse. But, of course, Labour is all about only caring about the 'right' sort of victim these days.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992

    surby said:

    Scott_P said:
    So it's a win-win for every country except the UK. Brexit dividend.
    Let's have a look at those numbers by value, eh?
    Yeah what do BBG know about numbers, data, etc.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,751
    IanB2 said:

    tlg86 said:


    You want Philip Davies as your MP?

    Well when the alternative is Jared O'Mara.

    Plus I can help deselect Davies.
    You'll have to get yourself onto the constituency Executive first.
    Who was the last sitting Tory MP to be deselected?
    Anne McIntosh?
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300

    Scott_P said:
    This might be an interesting seam to mine....
    People are clearly already mining it. Once all the examples are put together, this really could get quite awkward for him - especially any pre-Expenses scandal trips, which might have been treated more loosely (because they were all 'within the rules'), but which in retrospect don't look so justifiable. (Note - I don't know of any of these; I'm just extrapolating from those already in the public domain).
    Conspiracy theory-wise, this is a vicious circle as clearly there is a conspiracy to bring down Corbyn, largely fuelled by the man himself but leave that to one side, so his followers are right about that part. That's politics: if you leave ammunition lying around, don't be surprised if opponents and enemies use it against you. (Which of course is also why Boris will never be PM.)
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,221

    Pulpstar said:

    Some prime Leave-Remain bickering fodder here.

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1031458127097606145


    The city I was born and live (bradford) - made it to bottom of the list.

    Come on people,reasons why you wouldn't live in our great multicultural city ?

    Because it is full of muppets complaining about multiculturalism.

    It is very off putting now matter how lovely Bombay Stores is.
    I think the Muppets complaining about multiculturalism do something about it,it's called white - flight.

    My football team must be getting a reputation like man u of having fans who don't live in Bradford.
    Demographics of Manchester.

    Circa 67% White

    Demographics of Bradford

    Circa 67% White

    There must be another reason why Manchester is thirty places higher than Bradford than multiculturalism.
    For the demographics of bradford,in future years serveys will the 67% go up or down in your opinion ?
    Up.
    And may I ask how will that come about with people moving and birth rate's.
    Post Brexit the UK will be very unattractive to people wanting to move to the UK so I'd expect that will have an impact.
    You've not written what you think you have :)
    Am writing about five different reports, cut me some slack.

    Oh and cursing Jos Buttler.
    Losing young/yourkshire's Bairstow is definitely a loss, but the silver lining will hopefully be Sam Curran will be back in the side for the 4th and 5th tests now.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992
    edited August 2018
    tlg86 said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/aug/20/labour-condemns-sickening-lehman-brothers-reunion-party

    Given that Lehmans went under and the people working there lost their jobs, I find the outrage about former workers getting back together for some reminiscing a bit odd.

    What is much more worrying is that none of the juicy clickbait-type Graun articles (including this one https://theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/aug/20/jamie-olivers-jerk-rice-dish-a-mistake-says-jamaica-born-chef ) are open to comments. I mean what fun is that?!
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited August 2018
    TOPPING said:

    surby said:

    Scott_P said:
    So it's a win-win for every country except the UK. Brexit dividend.
    Let's have a look at those numbers by value, eh?
    Yeah what do BBG know about numbers, data, etc.
    They're experts. Or 'Experts'. Or 'so-called "experts"'. Either way, they can safely be ignored.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,754
    TOPPING said:

    tlg86 said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/aug/20/labour-condemns-sickening-lehman-brothers-reunion-party

    Given that Lehmans went under and the people working there lost their jobs, I find the outrage about former workers getting back together for some reminiscing a bit odd.

    What is much more worrying is that none of the juicy clickbait-type Graun articles (including this one https://theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/aug/20/jamie-olivers-jerk-rice-dish-a-mistake-says-jamaica-born-chef ) are open to comments. I mean what fun is that?!
    https://twitter.com/Colereuse/status/1029826754486173696
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,677
    Sandpit said:

    Scott_P said:
    This might be an interesting seam to mine....
    People are clearly already mining it. Once all the examples are put together, this really could get quite awkward for him - especially any pre-Expenses scandal trips, which might have been treated more loosely (because they were all 'within the rules'), but which in retrospect don't look so justifiable. (Note - I don't know of any of these; I'm just extrapolating from those already in the public domain).
    There’s got to be some fun to be had by a young journalist wanting to make a name for themselves, to look carefully at every time Jeremy Corbyn has left the country in the last decade, where he went and who paid for his flights and hotels. Given that we are already seeing stories where people accompanying him have declared expenses but Jeremy hasn’t, there could be something in it.
    And then what? He's not going to quit over fiddled expenses. It won't shift a significant number of votes.
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300

    Sandpit said:

    Wow. A new low for the Cult:

    https://twitter.com/PLSpeakman/status/1031255524820574209

    In response to news that Mann's grandkid is ill.

    Nothing should surprise anyone about how low they are happy to go. They delight in bringing misery and fear.

    And yet Corbyn still does nothing. And he gets away with it.

    It is just crazy. Dangerous. And crazy.
    Absolutely. Why don’t people think for a millisecond before posting something like that.
    Anyone know what this one is about?

    https://twitter.com/MichaelDugher/status/1031473408628932608
    Is it about Margaet Hodge’s daughter?
    They are trying to claim that because Hodge's daughter works in BBC News there is some grand conspiracy at the heart of the establishment. Classic smear tactics - based on her family heritage. Pretty clear what they are driving at.
    Extremist fruitcakes are just that but this sort of conspiracy theory used to be commonplace even among pb Tories with their reds at the beeb scares. Jess Phillips MP said in one of the Jewish papers last week she gets equal twitter abuse from left and right but no-one has asked Theresa May to comment.
    She has a problem with abuse from people who claim to be Conservative members, as opposed to random right-wing idiots?
    I've no idea but every left-wing keyboard warrior on twitter is labelled a Corbynista.
    Maybe because so many of them include #JC4PM or similar in their posts and share stuff exclusively from others who are fellow travellers.

    Yes, people exist in a Twitter bubble - but so much of the left-on-left abuse is from those who espouse the Corbyn agenda explicitly.
    For the sake of my sanity and blood pressure, I keep off twitter. Given what is on twitter, one hates to think how Plato managed to get herself banned.
    It happened around the same time as Twitter purged a lot of Russian bot accounts.
    I did take a quick peak at the 538 drop but could not see Plato in there.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,842
    Dura_Ace said:

    Sandpit said:

    Scott_P said:
    This might be an interesting seam to mine....
    People are clearly already mining it. Once all the examples are put together, this really could get quite awkward for him - especially any pre-Expenses scandal trips, which might have been treated more loosely (because they were all 'within the rules'), but which in retrospect don't look so justifiable. (Note - I don't know of any of these; I'm just extrapolating from those already in the public domain).
    There’s got to be some fun to be had by a young journalist wanting to make a name for themselves, to look carefully at every time Jeremy Corbyn has left the country in the last decade, where he went and who paid for his flights and hotels. Given that we are already seeing stories where people accompanying him have declared expenses but Jeremy hasn’t, there could be something in it.
    And then what? He's not going to quit over fiddled expenses. It won't shift a significant number of votes.
    So you are saying it is ok for a UK party leader to fiddle their expenses?
  • surby said:

    Scott_P said:
    So it's a win-win for every country except the UK. Brexit dividend.
    No it's not. Even though the value of the projects is conspicuous absent, it is still a win for Britain.

    This is measuring new projects the bar is not set at the same as the prior year as the prior years projects are still happening.

    Even in 2017, even with supposedly projects moving overseas, more NEW projects started in the UK than any other nation.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,736
    A way off-topic question:

    Whilst driving down the motorway the other day, I was following a car with a large 'T' badge on the back. It wasn't the Tesla rotor/stator 'T' badge , and the car wasn't (afaict) a Tesla. I'd say it was a fairly luxurious saloon, not a sportscar.

    Any ideas what it might have been? What other cars use a 'T' badge / logo? A quick Google hasn't helped.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621

    surby said:

    Scott_P said:
    So it's a win-win for every country except the UK. Brexit dividend.
    No it's not. Even though the value of the projects is conspicuous absent, it is still a win for Britain.

    This is measuring new projects the bar is not set at the same as the prior year as the prior years projects are still happening.

    Even in 2017, even with supposedly projects moving overseas, more NEW projects started in the UK than any other nation.
    There are no tanks in Baghdad.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,677

    Dura_Ace said:

    Sandpit said:

    Scott_P said:
    This might be an interesting seam to mine....
    People are clearly already mining it. Once all the examples are put together, this really could get quite awkward for him - especially any pre-Expenses scandal trips, which might have been treated more loosely (because they were all 'within the rules'), but which in retrospect don't look so justifiable. (Note - I don't know of any of these; I'm just extrapolating from those already in the public domain).
    There’s got to be some fun to be had by a young journalist wanting to make a name for themselves, to look carefully at every time Jeremy Corbyn has left the country in the last decade, where he went and who paid for his flights and hotels. Given that we are already seeing stories where people accompanying him have declared expenses but Jeremy hasn’t, there could be something in it.
    And then what? He's not going to quit over fiddled expenses. It won't shift a significant number of votes.
    So you are saying it is ok for a UK party leader to fiddle their expenses?
    No, I am saying Sandpit is wasting a semi over the prospect of JC getting caught on the rob because it will have zero political affect. It's classic 2016 thinking which fail to recognise what the JC phenomenon is.
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