Whilst driving down the motorway the other day, I was following a car with a large 'T' badge on the back. It wasn't the Tesla rotor/stator 'T' badge , and the car wasn't (afaict) a Tesla. I'd say it was a fairly luxurious saloon, not a sportscar.
Any ideas what it might have been? What other cars use a 'T' badge / logo? A quick Google hasn't helped.
So it's a win-win for every country except the UK. Brexit dividend.
Let's have a look at those numbers by value, eh?
Yeah what do BBG know about numbers, data, etc.
So tell me - how much is the value differential? What, you can't?
What is amusing is that the same twattish, tired, non-working memes that failed the Remain campaign are still being used to try to make Brexit look bad.
"Quick, knock up a diagram that shows how Brexit is failing."
People are clearly already mining it. Once all the examples are put together, this really could get quite awkward for him - especially any pre-Expenses scandal trips, which might have been treated more loosely (because they were all 'within the rules'), but which in retrospect don't look so justifiable. (Note - I don't know of any of these; I'm just extrapolating from those already in the public domain).
There’s got to be some fun to be had by a young journalist wanting to make a name for themselves, to look carefully at every time Jeremy Corbyn has left the country in the last decade, where he went and who paid for his flights and hotels. Given that we are already seeing stories where people accompanying him have declared expenses but Jeremy hasn’t, there could be something in it.
And then what? He's not going to quit over fiddled expenses. It won't shift a significant number of votes.
So you are saying it is ok for a UK party leader to fiddle their expenses?
No, I am saying Sandpit is wasting a semi over the prospect of JC getting caught on the rob because it will have zero political affect. It's classic 2016 thinking which fail to recognise what the JC phenomenon is.
Any party leader - JC or otherwise - who was found guilty of expenses fraud should step down immediately.
Supporting any leader under those circumstances would be to support fraud.
Way off topic, but the commentators at Trent Bridge just referenced what’s one of the best cricketing moments of all time, that happened at this ground back in 2005.
So it's a win-win for every country except the UK. Brexit dividend.
No it's not. Even though the value of the projects is conspicuous absent, it is still a win for Britain.
This is measuring new projects the bar is not set at the same as the prior year as the prior years projects are still happening.
Even in 2017, even with supposedly projects moving overseas, more NEW projects started in the UK than any other nation.
Actually that graph sums up Brexit completely. A diminution in wealth, foregone opportunities. Because of course there has been a decrease in investment.
But not dramatic enough for (m)any people to notice, perhaps completely invisible to the man on the street.
And we voted for it in return for..what? Being forced to allow more non-EU migrants to come to this country.
You'll have to get yourself onto the constituency Executive first.
Who was the last sitting Tory MP to be deselected?
Anne McIntosh?
I think that is correct. David Mackintosh [no relation!] was apparently facing the same fate in Northampton South at the 2017 election, but stood down voluntarily instead.
People are clearly already mining it. Once all the examples are put together, this really could get quite awkward for him - especially any pre-Expenses scandal trips, which might have been treated more loosely (because they were all 'within the rules'), but which in retrospect don't look so justifiable. (Note - I don't know of any of these; I'm just extrapolating from those already in the public domain).
There’s got to be some fun to be had by a young journalist wanting to make a name for themselves, to look carefully at every time Jeremy Corbyn has left the country in the last decade, where he went and who paid for his flights and hotels. Given that we are already seeing stories where people accompanying him have declared expenses but Jeremy hasn’t, there could be something in it.
And then what? He's not going to quit over fiddled expenses. It won't shift a significant number of votes.
He won’t voluntarily stand down you’re right, but the Commons authorities can suspend him and, as Ms Cyclefree has alluded, if he’s taken donations from people under sanction he could be in trouble with the police too.
So it's a win-win for every country except the UK. Brexit dividend.
No it's not. Even though the value of the projects is conspicuous absent, it is still a win for Britain.
This is measuring new projects the bar is not set at the same as the prior year as the prior years projects are still happening.
Even in 2017, even with supposedly projects moving overseas, more NEW projects started in the UK than any other nation.
Actually that graph sums up Brexit completely. A diminution in wealth, foregone opportunities. Because of course there has been a decrease in investment.
But not dramatic enough for (m)any people to notice, perhaps completely invisible to the man on the street.
And we voted for it in return for..what? Being forced to allow more non-EU migrants to come to this country.
To be fair, it's not in the least surprising that investment has been reduced in a period of uncertainty (and it's frankly bonkers of Leavers to claim that no such effect is either likely or has happened).
However, that fall in investment might be temporary; there's no way of knowing at this stage whether the effect will end up being primarily investment postponed, or investment lost for ever. That in turn depends on The Deal, which is unknown at this time.
With barter replacing cash in the emerging socialist nirvana in Venezuela, and the need for double coincidence of wants in exchange transactions, Wolfie could try his luck swapping manhole covers for a glass of chicha next time he's there for misery tourism.
Given that Lehmans went under and the people working there lost their jobs, I find the outrage about former workers getting back together for some reminiscing a bit odd.
McDonnell is a fundamentally nasty and humourless politician, hence this overreaction to a harmless get-together.
Then again, he genuinely believes in class war. It’s very naive to assume someone like that would be held back by any conventions or, if they had a parliamentary majority, the law.
Whilst driving down the motorway the other day, I was following a car with a large 'T' badge on the back. It wasn't the Tesla rotor/stator 'T' badge , and the car wasn't (afaict) a Tesla. I'd say it was a fairly luxurious saloon, not a sportscar.
Any ideas what it might have been? What other cars use a 'T' badge / logo? A quick Google hasn't helped.
Could it have been an Infiniti?
Thanks, but isn't Infiniti a stylised mountain in an oval?
So it's a win-win for every country except the UK. Brexit dividend.
No it's not. Even though the value of the projects is conspicuous absent, it is still a win for Britain.
This is measuring new projects the bar is not set at the same as the prior year as the prior years projects are still happening.
Even in 2017, even with supposedly projects moving overseas, more NEW projects started in the UK than any other nation.
Actually that graph sums up Brexit completely. A diminution in wealth, foregone opportunities. Because of course there has been a decrease in investment.
But not dramatic enough for (m)any people to notice, perhaps completely invisible to the man on the street.
And we voted for it in return for..what? Being forced to allow more non-EU migrants to come to this country.
To be fair, it's not in the least surprising that investment has been reduced in a period of uncertainty (and it's frankly bonkers of Leavers to claim that no such effect is either likely or has happened).
However, that fall in investment might be temporary; there's no way of knowing at this stage whether the effect will end up being primarily investment postponed, or investment lost for ever. That in turn depends on The Deal, which is unknown at this time.
Of course, we shall see. But the NPV of investments in the UK has dropped; the longer out we receive that investment, the lower present value it will represent today.
So it's a win-win for every country except the UK. Brexit dividend.
No it's not. Even though the value of the projects is conspicuous absent, it is still a win for Britain.
This is measuring new projects the bar is not set at the same as the prior year as the prior years projects are still happening.
Even in 2017, even with supposedly projects moving overseas, more NEW projects started in the UK than any other nation.
Actually that graph sums up Brexit completely. A diminution in wealth, foregone opportunities. Because of course there has been a decrease in investment.
But not dramatic enough for (m)any people to notice, perhaps completely invisible to the man on the street.
And we voted for it in return for..what? Being forced to allow more non-EU migrants to come to this country.
Yes it does sum up Brexit perfectly. Brexit Britain is outperforming all EU27 nations.
Whilst driving down the motorway the other day, I was following a car with a large 'T' badge on the back. It wasn't the Tesla rotor/stator 'T' badge , and the car wasn't (afaict) a Tesla. I'd say it was a fairly luxurious saloon, not a sportscar.
Any ideas what it might have been? What other cars use a 'T' badge / logo? A quick Google hasn't helped.
Could it have been an Infiniti?
Thanks, but isn't Infiniti a stylised mountain in an oval?
Whilst driving down the motorway the other day, I was following a car with a large 'T' badge on the back. It wasn't the Tesla rotor/stator 'T' badge , and the car wasn't (afaict) a Tesla. I'd say it was a fairly luxurious saloon, not a sportscar.
Any ideas what it might have been? What other cars use a 'T' badge / logo? A quick Google hasn't helped.
Could it have been an Infiniti?
Thanks, but isn't Infiniti a stylised mountain in an oval?
Could be mistaken for a T.
Nope, I'm afraid that definitely wasn't it - and I knew that logo. This was one I couldn't remember seeing before, and it looked part of the design, not an aftermarket add-on.
Just asked my darling wife, and she says it was a simple 'T', with minor serifs, in the middle of the boot lid. There was no other ID we could see on the car.
Whilst driving down the motorway the other day, I was following a car with a large 'T' badge on the back. It wasn't the Tesla rotor/stator 'T' badge , and the car wasn't (afaict) a Tesla. I'd say it was a fairly luxurious saloon, not a sportscar.
Any ideas what it might have been? What other cars use a 'T' badge / logo? A quick Google hasn't helped.
Could it have been an Infiniti?
Thanks, but isn't Infiniti a stylised mountain in an oval?
So it's a win-win for every country except the UK. Brexit dividend.
No it's not. Even though the value of the projects is conspicuous absent, it is still a win for Britain.
This is measuring new projects the bar is not set at the same as the prior year as the prior years projects are still happening.
Even in 2017, even with supposedly projects moving overseas, more NEW projects started in the UK than any other nation.
Actually that graph sums up Brexit completely. A diminution in wealth, foregone opportunities. Because of course there has been a decrease in investment.
But not dramatic enough for (m)any people to notice, perhaps completely invisible to the man on the street.
And we voted for it in return for..what? Being forced to allow more non-EU migrants to come to this country.
Yes it does sum up Brexit perfectly. Brexit Britain is outperforming all EU27 nations.
Whilst I would have a concern about how easy it will be to get the relevant figures my expectation is that by 2020 that percentage will at least have been maintained and is more likely to grow than shrink. Approximately 90% of the growth in financial services will be outside the EU in that period and London is well placed to benefit.
Whilst driving down the motorway the other day, I was following a car with a large 'T' badge on the back. It wasn't the Tesla rotor/stator 'T' badge , and the car wasn't (afaict) a Tesla. I'd say it was a fairly luxurious saloon, not a sportscar.
Any ideas what it might have been? What other cars use a 'T' badge / logo? A quick Google hasn't helped.
Could it have been an Infiniti?
Thanks, but isn't Infiniti a stylised mountain in an oval?
Could be mistaken for a T.
Nope, I'm afraid that definitely wasn't it - and I knew that logo. This was one I couldn't remember seeing before, and it looked part of the design, not an aftermarket add-on.
So it's a win-win for every country except the UK. Brexit dividend.
No it's not. Even though the value of the projects is conspicuous absent, it is still a win for Britain.
This is measuring new projects the bar is not set at the same as the prior year as the prior years projects are still happening.
Even in 2017, even with supposedly projects moving overseas, more NEW projects started in the UK than any other nation.
Actually that graph sums up Brexit completely.
What? A complete lack of numbers, context and argument.
Yes, you may well have it.
I'm guessing here that BBG understands the average analytical skills of Leavers and hence just put a picture up there. My guess also is that they have the numbers, stats, context and analysis that underpins that chart.
So it's a win-win for every country except the UK. Brexit dividend.
No it's not. Even though the value of the projects is conspicuous absent, it is still a win for Britain.
This is measuring new projects the bar is not set at the same as the prior year as the prior years projects are still happening.
Even in 2017, even with supposedly projects moving overseas, more NEW projects started in the UK than any other nation.
Actually that graph sums up Brexit completely. A diminution in wealth, foregone opportunities. Because of course there has been a decrease in investment.
But not dramatic enough for (m)any people to notice, perhaps completely invisible to the man on the street.
And we voted for it in return for..what? Being forced to allow more non-EU migrants to come to this country.
To be fair, it's not in the least surprising that investment has been reduced in a period of uncertainty (and it's frankly bonkers of Leavers to claim that no such effect is either likely or has happened).
However, that fall in investment might be temporary; there's no way of knowing at this stage whether the effect will end up being primarily investment postponed, or investment lost for ever. That in turn depends on The Deal, which is unknown at this time.
That graph shows no such thing as a fall in investment. It has no indication of VALUE. Any one of those UK investments could be bigger than the whole of the other countries combined. It is meaningless. If I were to take that to any Board in the land in support of an investment opportunity, the best I could ope for tonight would be extended gardening leave....
The desire of Remainers to find succour in numbers is pitiful to behold.
That graph shows no such thing as a fall in investment. It has no indication of VALUE. Any one of those UK investments could be bigger than the whole of the other countries combined. It is meaningless. If I were to take that to any Board in the land in support of an investment opportunity, the best I could ope for tonight would be extended gardening leave....
The desire of Remainers to find succour in numbers is pitiful to behold.
Whilst driving down the motorway the other day, I was following a car with a large 'T' badge on the back. It wasn't the Tesla rotor/stator 'T' badge , and the car wasn't (afaict) a Tesla. I'd say it was a fairly luxurious saloon, not a sportscar.
Any ideas what it might have been? What other cars use a 'T' badge / logo? A quick Google hasn't helped.
Could it have been an Infiniti?
Thanks, but isn't Infiniti a stylised mountain in an oval?
Could be mistaken for a T.
Nope, I'm afraid that definitely wasn't it - and I knew that logo. This was one I couldn't remember seeing before, and it looked part of the design, not an aftermarket add-on.
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Thanks, but no. It was simpler than that. I' starting to wonder if it was a professional remodeller / restyler logo ...
This id driving us both slightly insane. Or insaner ...
So it's a win-win for every country except the UK. Brexit dividend.
No it's not. Even though the value of the projects is conspicuous absent, it is still a win for Britain.
This is measuring new projects the bar is not set at the same as the prior year as the prior years projects are still happening.
Even in 2017, even with supposedly projects moving overseas, more NEW projects started in the UK than any other nation.
Actually that graph sums up Brexit completely. A diminution in wealth, foregone opportunities. Because of course there has been a decrease in investment.
But not dramatic enough for (m)any people to notice, perhaps completely invisible to the man on the street.
And we voted for it in return for..what? Being forced to allow more non-EU migrants to come to this country.
To be fair, it's not in the least surprising that investment has been reduced in a period of uncertainty (and it's frankly bonkers of Leavers to claim that no such effect is either likely or has happened).
However, that fall in investment might be temporary; there's no way of knowing at this stage whether the effect will end up being primarily investment postponed, or investment lost for ever. That in turn depends on The Deal, which is unknown at this time.
That graph shows no such thing as a fall in investment. It has no indication of VALUE. Any one of those UK investments could be bigger than the whole of the other countries combined. It is meaningless. If I were to take that to any Board in the land in support of an investment opportunity, the best I could ope for tonight would be extended gardening leave....
I don't know... If you took it to Leave means Leave looking for £2m to spend on social media to counteract the Remoaner onslaught I reckon you'd have a chance.
Should improve the Indian run rate, Pujara is a solid player but he's really slow.
So you don't think it is the first step to an Indian collapse and England's successful run chase then?
Amazingly there’s still a 10% return available on Betfair for backing India in this match.
People obviously think there’s a 10% chance of either it raining for the next 2 1/2 days or of India batting it out and forgetting to declare.
I've stuck a ton on that 1-10, I assume the England price has gone out and the draw come in since I placed my bet this morning.
Am I right in thinking England are effectively 1 wicket down already due to Bairstow's injury ?
Methinks Kohli will probably play carefully till he has his century - and then let rip. Imagine India will declare when they're perhaps 500 ahead.
England are 32 and the draw 13 now, I think you’re right about the direction of movement.
Yes, if Bairstow can’t bat then they only need 9 wickets. You can have a runner for an injured man, but can’t substitute a batsman or (bowler) after the match has started.
People are clearly already mining it. Once all the examples are put together, this really could get quite awkward for him - especially any pre-Expenses scandal trips, which might have been treated more loosely (because they were all 'within the rules'), but which in retrospect don't look so justifiable. (Note - I don't know of any of these; I'm just extrapolating from those already in the public domain).
There’s got to be some fun to be had by a young journalist wanting to make a name for themselves, to look carefully at every time Jeremy Corbyn has left the country in the last decade, where he went and who paid for his flights and hotels. Given that we are already seeing stories where people accompanying him have declared expenses but Jeremy hasn’t, there could be something in it.
And then what? He's not going to quit over fiddled expenses. It won't shift a significant number of votes.
So you are saying it is ok for a UK party leader to fiddle their expenses?
No, I am saying Sandpit is wasting a semi over the prospect of JC getting caught on the rob because it will have zero political affect. It's classic 2016 thinking which fail to recognise what the JC phenomenon is.
That's classic 2017 thinking.
The 'JC phenomenon' was many things but one of them was about his seeming to be, on some levels, an ordinary bloke. Being tarred with being thought to have fiddled expenses (whatever the truth of the details) would make him 'just another politician', at which point the rider 'and not a very good one' risks being added.
FWIW, nothing that's come out is anything more than a Westminster story - though even a Westminster story wouldn't have zero effect as it'd embolden his MP critics, and that split/criticism would feed through to the general public.
So it's a win-win for every country except the UK. Brexit dividend.
No it's not. Even though the value of the projects is conspicuous absent, it is still a win for Britain.
This is measuring new projects the bar is not set at the same as the prior year as the prior years projects are still happening.
Even in 2017, even with supposedly projects moving overseas, more NEW projects started in the UK than any other nation.
Actually that graph sums up Brexit completely.
What? A complete lack of numbers, context and argument.
Yes, you may well have it.
I'm guessing here that BBG understands the average analytical skills of Leavers and hence just put a picture up there. My guess also is that they have the numbers, stats, context and analysis that underpins that chart.
Should improve the Indian run rate, Pujara is a solid player but he's really slow.
So you don't think it is the first step to an Indian collapse and England's successful run chase then?
Amazingly there’s still a 10% return available on Betfair for backing India in this match.
People obviously think there’s a 10% chance of either it raining for the next 2 1/2 days or of India batting it out and forgetting to declare.
I've stuck a ton on that 1-10, I assume the England price has gone out and the draw come in since I placed my bet this morning.
Am I right in thinking England are effectively 1 wicket down already due to Bairstow's injury ?
Methinks Kohli will probably play carefully till he has his century - and then let rip. Imagine India will declare when they're perhaps 500 ahead.
England are 32 and the draw 13 now, I think you’re right about the direction of movement.
Yes, if Bairstow can’t bat then they only need 9 wickets. You can have a runner for an injured man, but can’t substitute a batsman or (bowler) after the match has started.
So it's a win-win for every country except the UK. Brexit dividend.
No it's not. Even though the value of the projects is conspicuous absent, it is still a win for Britain.
This is measuring new projects the bar is not set at the same as the prior year as the prior years projects are still happening.
Even in 2017, even with supposedly projects moving overseas, more NEW projects started in the UK than any other nation.
Actually that graph sums up Brexit completely.
What? A complete lack of numbers, context and argument.
Yes, you may well have it.
I'm guessing here that BBG understands the average analytical skills of Leavers and hence just put a picture up there. My guess also is that they have the numbers, stats, context and analysis that underpins that chart.
You guess?
lol
It's a rhetorical device.
Let me dumb it down for you: they have the numbers, stats, context and analysis that underpins that chart.
So it's a win-win for every country except the UK. Brexit dividend.
No it's not. Even though the value of the projects is conspicuous absent, it is still a win for Britain.
This is measuring new projects the bar is not set at the same as the prior year as the prior years projects are still happening.
Even in 2017, even with supposedly projects moving overseas, more NEW projects started in the UK than any other nation.
Actually that graph sums up Brexit completely.
What? A complete lack of numbers, context and argument.
Yes, you may well have it.
I'm guessing here that BBG understands the average analytical skills of Leavers and hence just put a picture up there. My guess also is that they have the numbers, stats, context and analysis that underpins that chart.
That's deeply worrying. On a related not, I learnt last week that my employer is going to move its entire logistics operation to the Netherlands. This is purely due to Brexit and will be done regardless of what, if any, Brexit deal is eventually done. What struck me was how casual everyone was about it; it was just treated as something that obviously has to be done. I imagine a similar thing is going on in businesses up and down the land.
It most certainly is. It is also common sense. The world of business (where a large part of ourtax receipts comes from) is becoming more international, so why would an international business that wants to trade seamlessly in Europe want to stick with a country that no longer thinks business is important. F_ck business as Boris once said. But then again, we have got a disgraced ex-GP in charge of our international trade, so everything will be easy.
So it's a win-win for every country except the UK. Brexit dividend.
No it's not. Even though the value of the projects is conspicuous absent, it is still a win for Britain.
This is measuring new projects the bar is not set at the same as the prior year as the prior years projects are still happening.
Even in 2017, even with supposedly projects moving overseas, more NEW projects started in the UK than any other nation.
Actually that graph sums up Brexit completely.
What? A complete lack of numbers, context and argument.
Yes, you may well have it.
I'm guessing here that BBG understands the average analytical skills of Leavers and hence just put a picture up there. My guess also is that they have the numbers, stats, context and analysis that underpins that chart.
You guess?
lol
It's a rhetorical device.
Let me dumb it down for you: they have the numbers, stats, context and analysis that underpins that chart.
Yet they chose not to share those numbers. Funny that. Probably because those numbers don't match the agenda they're trying to push so they shared these dumbed down numbers instead.
So it's a win-win for every country except the UK. Brexit dividend.
No it's not. Even though the value of the projects is conspicuous absent, it is still a win for Britain.
This is measuring new projects the bar is not set at the same as the prior year as the prior years projects are still happening.
Even in 2017, even with supposedly projects moving overseas, more NEW projects started in the UK than any other nation.
Actually that graph sums up Brexit completely.
What? A complete lack of numbers, context and argument.
Yes, you may well have it.
I'm guessing here that BBG understands the average analytical skills of Leavers and hence just put a picture up there. My guess also is that they have the numbers, stats, context and analysis that underpins that chart.
You guess?
lol
It's a rhetorical device.
Let me dumb it down for you: they have the numbers, stats, context and analysis that underpins that chart.
Yet they chose not to share those numbers. Funny that. Probably because those numbers don't match the agenda they're trying to push so they shared these dumbed down numbers instead.
So it's a win-win for every country except the UK. Brexit dividend.
No it's not. Even though the value of the projects is conspicuous absent, it is still a win for Britain.
This is measuring new projects the bar is not set at the same as the prior year as the prior years projects are still happening.
Even in 2017, even with supposedly projects moving overseas, more NEW projects started in the UK than any other nation.
Actually that graph sums up Brexit completely. A diminution in wealth, foregone opportunities. Because of course there has been a decrease in investment.
But not dramatic enough for (m)any people to notice, perhaps completely invisible to the man on the street.
And we voted for it in return for..what? Being forced to allow more non-EU migrants to come to this country.
Yes it does sum up Brexit perfectly. Brexit Britain is outperforming all EU27 nations.
Oh my God, the level of delusion is really staggering. It would be funny if it weren't so serious. Reading the posts of committed Brexiters is like talking to flat-earthers or religious zealots. Are you seriously not even a little bit concerned the country might have made a serious economic mistake?
Should improve the Indian run rate, Pujara is a solid player but he's really slow.
So you don't think it is the first step to an Indian collapse and England's successful run chase then?
Amazingly there’s still a 10% return available on Betfair for backing India in this match.
People obviously think there’s a 10% chance of either it raining for the next 2 1/2 days or of India batting it out and forgetting to declare.
I've stuck a ton on that 1-10, I assume the England price has gone out and the draw come in since I placed my bet this morning.
Am I right in thinking England are effectively 1 wicket down already due to Bairstow's injury ?
Methinks Kohli will probably play carefully till he has his century - and then let rip. Imagine India will declare when they're perhaps 500 ahead.
England are 32 and the draw 13 now, I think you’re right about the direction of movement.
Yes, if Bairstow can’t bat then they only need 9 wickets. You can have a runner for an injured man, but can’t substitute a batsman or (bowler) after the match has started.
Ooh, that’s a new rule. Obviously not going to apply to Bairstow, but it’s in line with changes made in a number of other sports designed to force concussed athletes to rest. Rugby, American football and motorsports are now really hot on dealing with concussive injuries.
So it's a win-win for every country except the UK. Brexit dividend.
No it's not. Even though the value of the projects is conspicuous absent, it is still a win for Britain.
This is measuring new projects the bar is not set at the same as the prior year as the prior years projects are still happening.
Even in 2017, even with supposedly projects moving overseas, more NEW projects started in the UK than any other nation.
Actually that graph sums up Brexit completely.
What? A complete lack of numbers, context and argument.
Yes, you may well have it.
I'm guessing here that BBG understands the average analytical skills of Leavers and hence just put a picture up there. My guess also is that they have the numbers, stats, context and analysis that underpins that chart.
You guess?
lol
It's a rhetorical device.
Let me dumb it down for you: they have the numbers, stats, context and analysis that underpins that chart.
Yet they chose not to share those numbers. Funny that. Probably because those numbers don't match the agenda they're trying to push so they shared these dumbed down numbers instead.
So it's a win-win for every country except the UK. Brexit dividend.
No it's not. Even though the value of the projects is conspicuous absent, it is still a win for Britain.
This is measuring new projects the bar is not set at the same as the prior year as the prior years projects are still happening.
Even in 2017, even with supposedly projects moving overseas, more NEW projects started in the UK than any other nation.
Actually that graph sums up Brexit completely.
What? A complete lack of numbers, context and argument.
Yes, you may well have it.
I'm guessing here that BBG understands the average analytical skills of Leavers and hence just put a picture up there. My guess also is that they have the numbers, stats, context and analysis that underpins that chart.
You guess?
lol
It's a rhetorical device.
Let me dumb it down for you: they have the numbers, stats, context and analysis that underpins that chart.
Yet they chose not to share those numbers. Funny that. Probably because those numbers don't match the agenda they're trying to push so they shared these dumbed down numbers instead.
(It's actually quite an interesting study, including some good stuff on regional variations in FDI)
Thanks for the link Richard, interesting and concerning at the same time.
It wasn't exactly hard to find - I just clicked on the link in the Bloomberg article!
As I said upthread, it's too early to tell to what extent this is a permanent effect.
Where sane Leavers do have a point is that the economic damage so far is quite limited, and, so far at least, considerably less than almost all economists and analysts predicted before the referendum. Personally, I'm surprised that the effect hasn't been bigger, purely because of the uncertainty, but facts are facts. Of course, we haven't actually left yet, so this particular fact might be misleadingly reassuring.
So it's a win-win for every country except the UK. Brexit dividend.
No it's not. Even though the value of the projects is conspicuous absent, it is still a win for Britain.
This is measuring new projects the bar is not set at the same as the prior year as the prior years projects are still happening.
Even in 2017, even with supposedly projects moving overseas, more NEW projects started in the UK than any other nation.
Actually that graph sums up Brexit completely.
What? A complete lack of numbers, context and argument.
Yes, you may well have it.
You guess?
lol
It's a rhetorical device.
Let me dumb it down for you: they have the numbers, stats, context and analysis that underpins that chart.
Yet they chose not to share those numbers. Funny that. Probably because those numbers don't match the agenda they're trying to push so they shared these dumbed down numbers instead.
(It's actually quite an interesting study, including some good stuff on regional variations in FDI)
Thanks for the link Richard, interesting and concerning at the same time.
It wasn't exactly hard to find - I just clicked on the link in the Bloomberg article!
As I said upthread, it's too early to tell to what extent this is a permanent effect.
Where sane Leavers do have a point is that the economic damage so far is quite limited, and, so far at least, considerably less than almost all economists and analysts predicted before the referendum. Personally, I'm surprised that the effect hasn't been bigger, purely because of the uncertainty, but facts are facts. Of course, we haven't actually left yet, so this particular fact might be misleadingly reassuring.
I've always belonged to the grim-dark wing of the Leaver's league of Empire loyalists; the panglossian 'and with-one-bound-we-will-be-free' brigade irritate me as much as Remain Ultras do.
So it's a win-win for every country except the UK. Brexit dividend.
No it's not. Even though the value of the projects is conspicuous absent, it is still a win for Britain.
This is measuring new projects the bar is not set at the same as the prior year as the prior years projects are still happening.
Even in 2017, even with supposedly projects moving overseas, more NEW projects started in the UK than any other nation.
Actually that graph sums up Brexit completely. A diminution in wealth, foregone opportunities. Because of course there has been a decrease in investment.
But not dramatic enough for (m)any people to notice, perhaps completely invisible to the man on the street.
And we voted for it in return for..what? Being forced to allow more non-EU migrants to come to this country.
Yes it does sum up Brexit perfectly. Brexit Britain is outperforming all EU27 nations.
Oh my God, the level of delusion is really staggering. It would be funny if it weren't so serious. Reading the posts of committed Brexiters is like talking to flat-earthers or religious zealots. Are you seriously not even a little bit concerned the country might have made a serious economic mistake?
So far, no.
That doesn't mean that there isn't potential for a car crash Brexit to do damage.
So it's a win-win for every country except the UK. Brexit dividend.
Actually that graph sums up Brexit completely.
What? A complete lack of numbers, context and argument.
Yes, you may well have it.
I'm guessing here that BBG understands the average analytical skills of Leavers and hence just put a picture up there. My guess also is that they have the numbers, stats, context and analysis that underpins that chart.
You guess?
lol
It's a rhetorical device.
Let me dumb it down for you: they have the numbers, stats, context and analysis that underpins that chart.
Yet they chose not to share those numbers. Funny that. Probably because those numbers don't match the agenda they're trying to push so they shared these dumbed down numbers instead.
(It's actually quite an interesting study, including some good stuff on regional variations in FDI)
Thanks for the link Richard, interesting and concerning at the same time.
It wasn't exactly hard to find - I just clicked on the link in the Bloomberg article!
As I said upthread, it's too early to tell to what extent this is a permanent effect.
Where sane Leavers do have a point is that the economic damage so far is quite limited, and, so far at least, considerably less than almost all economists and analysts predicted before the referendum. Personally, I'm surprised that the effect hasn't been bigger, purely because of the uncertainty, but facts are facts. Of course, we haven't actually left yet, so this particular fact might be misleadingly reassuring.
There are really only insane Leavers and ill-advised Leavers, as the project is based on a fundamental set of untruths and a mistrust of facts.
Evident on this board everyday. Some won’t even follow a link without screaming that the witch be dunked.
So it's a win-win for every country except the UK. Brexit dividend.
No it's not. Even though the value of the projects is conspicuous absent, it is still a win for Britain.
This is measuring new projects the bar is not set at the same as the prior year as the prior years projects are still happening.
Even in 2017, even with supposedly projects moving overseas, more NEW projects started in the UK than any other nation.
Actually that graph sums up Brexit completely.
What? A complete lack of numbers, context and argument.
Yes, you may well have it.
I'm guessing here that BBG understands the average analytical skills of Leavers and hence just put a picture up there. My guess also is that they have the numbers, stats, context and analysis that underpins that chart.
You guess?
lol
It's a rhetorical device.
Let me dumb it down for you: they have the numbers, stats, context and analysis that underpins that chart.
Yet they chose not to share those numbers. Funny that. Probably because those numbers don't match the agenda they're trying to push so they shared these dumbed down numbers instead.
(It's actually quite an interesting study, including some good stuff on regional variations in FDI)
Thanks for the link Richard, interesting and concerning at the same time.
Where sane Leavers do have a point is that the economic damage so far is quite limited, and, so far at least, considerably less than almost all economists and analysts predicted before the referendum. Personally, I'm surprised that the effect hasn't been bigger, purely because of the uncertainty, but facts are facts. Of course, we haven't actually left yet, so this particular fact might be misleadingly reassuring.
Important caveat: the economists whose predictions have been *least* accurate are in fact Patrick Minford and “economists for Brexit”. But as you say, we haven’t left yet.
Is he even a member of the Conservative Party to 'take back control' of it? Or can I, as an outsider, 'take back control' of some of his many and varied business interests?
And as Soubry's a backbench MP, she has as much 'control' as the other Conservative MPs. So perhaps he should help 'take back control' by standing to be an MP?
“Our survey findings highlight that the UK’s appeal on qualitative measures has fallen significantly in the last two years. Investor perceptions of the quality of life, diversity in the UK, the degree of stability in the social climate, and the transparency and predictability of politics and law have all fallen. The UK is seen as less welcoming than it once was and the UK environment is seen as less pro-business.”
So it's a win-win for every country except the UK. Brexit dividend.
No it's not. Even though the value of the projects is conspicuous absent, it is still a win for Britain.
This is measuring new projects the bar is not set at the same as the prior year as the prior years projects are still happening.
Even in 2017, even with supposedly projects moving overseas, more NEW projects started in the UK than any other nation.
Actually that graph sums up Brexit completely.
What? A complete lack of numbers, context and argument.
Yes, you may well have it.
You guess?
lol
It's a rhetorical device.
Let me dumb it down for you: they have the numbers, stats, context and analysis that underpins that chart.
Yet they chose not to share those numbers. Funny that. Probably because those numbers don't match the agenda they're trying to push so they shared these dumbed down numbers instead.
(It's actually quite an interesting study, including some good stuff on regional variations in FDI)
Thanks for the link Richard, interesting and concerning at the same time.
It wasn't exactly hard to find - I just clicked on the link in the Bloomberg article!
As I said upthread, it's too early to tell to what extent this is a permanent effect.
Where sane Leavers do have a point is that the economic damage so far is quite limited, and, so far at least, considerably less than almost all economists and analysts predicted before the referendum. Personally, I'm surprised that the effect hasn't been bigger, purely because of the uncertainty, but facts are facts. Of course, we haven't actually left yet, so this particular fact might be misleadingly reassuring.
I've always belonged to the grim-dark wing of the Leaver's league of Empire loyalists; the panglossian 'and with-one-bound-we-will-be-free' brigade irritate me as much as Remain Ultras do.
“Our survey findings highlight that the UK’s appeal on qualitative measures has fallen significantly in the last two years. Investor perceptions of the quality of life, diversity in the UK, the degree of stability in the social climate, and the transparency and predictability of politics and law have all fallen. The UK is seen as less welcoming than it once was and the UK environment is seen as less pro-business.”
That’s Brexit in a nutshell.
What does this matter if we are all free to enjoy misshapen fruit while not listening to someone foreign?
So it's a win-win for every country except the UK. Brexit dividend.
No it's not. Even though the value of the projects is conspicuous absent, it is still a win for Britain.
This is measuring new projects the bar is not set at the same as the prior year as the prior years projects are still happening.
Even in 2017, even with supposedly projects moving overseas, more NEW projects started in the UK than any other nation.
Actually that graph sums up Brexit completely.
What? A complete lack of numbers, context and argument.
Yes, you may well have it.
I'm guessing here that BBG understands the average analytical skills of Leavers and hence just put a picture up there. My guess also is that they have the numbers, stats, context and analysis that underpins that chart.
You guess?
lol
It's a rhetorical device.
Let me dumb it down for you: they have the numbers, stats, context and analysis that underpins that chart.
Yet they chose not to share those numbers. Funny that. Probably because those numbers don't match the agenda they're trying to push so they shared these dumbed down numbers instead.
(It's actually quite an interesting study, including some good stuff on regional variations in FDI)
I was referring to Scott_P's source not sharing the value of the projects etc instead just the quantities (which still show Britain as number 1). Not all projects are the same, 12 people in the Eurozone setting up an office to rubber stamp work done in Britain isn't the same as a new project with hundreds of new jobs.
I just skimmed through that report and it is interesting and far from the universal gloomfest that Scott et al would have us believe. The UK didn't just get more new financial projects than any other EU27 nation it also got a higher share of FDI from outside Europe, winning an increased share of US FDI from our already number 1 spot to an even higher percentage (pp 28-29).
So it's a win-win for every country except the UK. Brexit dividend.
No it's not. Even though the value of the projects is conspicuous absent, it is still a win for Britain.
This is measuring new projects the bar is not set at the same as the prior year as the prior years projects are still happening.
Even in 2017, even with supposedly projects moving overseas, more NEW projects started in the UK than any other nation.
Actually that graph sums up Brexit completely.
What? A complete lack of numbers, context and argument.
Yes, you may well have it.
You guess?
lol
It's a rhetorical device.
Let me dumb it down for you: they have the numbers, stats, context and analysis that underpins that chart.
Yet they chose not to share those numbers. Funny that. Probably because those numbers don't match the agenda they're trying to push so they shared these dumbed down numbers instead.
(It's actually quite an interesting study, including some good stuff on regional variations in FDI)
Thanks for the link Richard, interesting and concerning at the same time.
It wasn't exactly hard to find - I just clicked on the link in the Bloomberg article!
As I said upthread, it's too early to tell to what extent this is a permanent effect.
Where sane Leavers do have a point is that the economic damage so far is quite limited, and, so far at least, considerably less than almost all economists and analysts predicted before the referendum. Personally, I'm surprised that the effect hasn't been bigger, purely because of the uncertainty, but facts are facts. Of course, we haven't actually left yet, so this particular fact might be misleadingly reassuring.
I've always belonged to the grim-dark wing of the Leaver's league of Empire loyalists; the panglossian 'and with-one-bound-we-will-be-free' brigade irritate me as much as Remain Ultras do.
Ditto.
Agreed. People who promise either sunlit uplands or plagues of frogs are stupid.
She wants the party Chairman to stop people from joining the party?
Surely Soubry needs to accept that as a remainer she's in the minority within the Tories ? My ex local MP Lee Rowley is becoming quite anti-fracking but he obviously observes it is Gov't policy within England to not be against development on a national level.
So it's a win-win for every country except the UK. Brexit dividend.
No it's not. Even though the value of the projects is conspicuous absent, it is still a win for Britain.
This is measuring new projects the bar is not set at the same as the prior year as the prior years projects are still happening.
Even in 2017, even with supposedly projects moving overseas, more NEW projects started in the UK than any other nation.
Actually that graph sums up Brexit completely. A diminution in wealth, foregone opportunities. Because of course there has been a decrease in investment.
But not dramatic enough for (m)any people to notice, perhaps completely invisible to the man on the street.
And we voted for it in return for..what? Being forced to allow more non-EU migrants to come to this country.
Yes it does sum up Brexit perfectly. Brexit Britain is outperforming all EU27 nations.
Oh my God, the level of delusion is really staggering. It would be funny if it weren't so serious. Reading the posts of committed Brexiters is like talking to flat-earthers or religious zealots. Are you seriously not even a little bit concerned the country might have made a serious economic mistake?
So far, no.
That doesn't mean that there isn't potential for a car crash Brexit to do damage.
She wants the party Chairman to stop people from joining the party?
Surely Soubry needs to accept that as a remainer she's in the minority within the Tories ? My ex local MP Lee Rowley is becoming quite anti-fracking but he obviously observes it is Gov't policy within England to not be against development on a national level.
She should 'accept' it in the same way that the bastards accepted John Major's policies on the EU in the mid-1990s.
So it's a win-win for every country except the UK. Brexit dividend.
No it's not. Even though the value of the projects is conspicuous absent, it is still a win for Britain.
This is measuring new projects the bar is not set at the same as the prior year as the prior years projects are still happening.
Even in 2017, even with supposedly projects moving overseas, more NEW projects started in the UK than any other nation.
Actually that graph sums up Brexit completely. A diminution in wealth, foregone opportunities. Because of course there has been a decrease in investment.
But not dramatic enough for (m)any people to notice, perhaps completely invisible to the man on the street.
And we voted for it in return for..what? Being forced to allow more non-EU migrants to come to this country.
Yes it does sum up Brexit perfectly. Brexit Britain is outperforming all EU27 nations.
Oh my God, the level of delusion is really staggering. It would be funny if it weren't so serious. Reading the posts of committed Brexiters is like talking to flat-earthers or religious zealots. Are you seriously not even a little bit concerned the country might have made a serious economic mistake?
So far, no.
That doesn't mean that there isn't potential for a car crash Brexit to do damage.
So it's a win-win for every country except the UK. Brexit dividend.
No it's not. Even though the value of the projects is conspicuous absent, it is still a win for Britain.
This is measuring new projects the bar is not set at the same as the prior year as the prior years projects are still happening.
Even in 2017, even with supposedly projects moving overseas, more NEW projects started in the UK than any other nation.
Actually that graph sums up Brexit completely.
What? A complete lack of numbers, context and argument.
Yes, you may well have it.
I'm guessing here that BBG understands the average analytical skills of Leavers and hence just put a picture up there. My guess also is that they have the numbers, stats, context and analysis that underpins that chart.
You guess?
lol
It's a rhetorical device.
Let me dumb it down for you: they have the numbers, stats, context and analysis that underpins that chart.
Yet they chose not to share those numbers. Funny that. Probably because those numbers don't match the agenda they're trying to push so they shared these dumbed down numbers instead.
(It's actually quite an interesting study, including some good stuff on regional variations in FDI)
So in summary the UK remains the largest single recipient of FDI in the EU creating more jobs than in any other country and growing by 6% in the latest year but our overall share of FDI fell from 19% to 18% because the market for FDI rose by 10% overall?
I find the impact of the current uncertainty astonishing. Who could have predicted it would be so trivial? I certainly didn't.
What? A complete lack of numbers, context and argument.
Yes, you may well have it.
I'm guessing here that BBG understands the average analytical skills of Leavers and hence just put a picture up there. My guess also is that they have the numbers, stats, context and analysis that underpins that chart.
You guess?
lol
It's a rhetorical device.
Let me dumb it down for you: they have the numbers, stats, context and analysis that underpins that chart.
Yet they chose not to share those numbers. Funny that. Probably because those numbers don't match the agenda they're trying to push so they shared these dumbed down numbers instead.
(It's actually quite an interesting study, including some good stuff on regional variations in FDI)
Thanks for the link Richard, interesting and concerning at the same time.
Where sane Leavers do have a point is that the economic damage so far is quite limited, and, so far at least, considerably less than almost all economists and analysts predicted before the referendum. Personally, I'm surprised that the effect hasn't been bigger, purely because of the uncertainty, but facts are facts. Of course, we haven't actually left yet, so this particular fact might be misleadingly reassuring.
Important caveat: the economists whose predictions have been *least* accurate are in fact Patrick Minford and “economists for Brexit”. But as you say, we haven’t left yet.
I do fear a Crying Wolf effect here. Anything other than a No Deal exit is likely to have a minor incremental effect and not be seen by the general public. A genuine No Deal outcome though could be very disruptive and I don't think people are at all ready or believing of that (or many of those that are were also predicting Armageddon on a Leave vote or on A50 being triggered etc).
So it's a win-win for every country except the UK. Brexit dividend.
No it's not. Even though the value of the projects is conspicuous absent, it is still a win for Britain.
This is measuring new projects the bar is not set at the same as the prior year as the prior years projects are still happening.
Even in 2017, even with supposedly projects moving overseas, more NEW projects started in the UK than any other nation.
Actually that graph sums up Brexit completely. A diminution in wealth, foregone opportunities. Because of course there has been a decrease in investment.
But not dramatic enough for (m)any people to notice, perhaps completely invisible to the man on the street.
And we voted for it in return for..what? Being forced to allow more non-EU migrants to come to this country.
Yes it does sum up Brexit perfectly. Brexit Britain is outperforming all EU27 nations.
Oh my God, the level of delusion is really staggering. It would be funny if it weren't so serious. Reading the posts of committed Brexiters is like talking to flat-earthers or religious zealots. Are you seriously not even a little bit concerned the country might have made a serious economic mistake?
How is that relevant to what I wrote? What I wrote is the data shows the UK outperformed all other EU27 nations in a year of maximum uncertainty.
Am I a little bit concerned? Yes.
Same question reversed ars you even a little bit optimistic that the country may have made a seriously positive decision?
She wants the party Chairman to stop people from joining the party?
Surely Soubry needs to accept that as a remainer she's in the minority within the Tories ? My ex local MP Lee Rowley is becoming quite anti-fracking but he obviously observes it is Gov't policy within England to not be against development on a national level.
She should 'accept' it in the same way that the bastards accepted John Major's policies on the EU in the mid-1990s.
The membership of the Tories has always been highly eurosceptic though. It's like recognising the sun rises in the east.
She wants the party Chairman to stop people from joining the party?
Surely Soubry needs to accept that as a remainer she's in the minority within the Tories ? My ex local MP Lee Rowley is becoming quite anti-fracking but he obviously observes it is Gov't policy within England to not be against development on a national level.
She should 'accept' it in the same way that the bastards accepted John Major's policies on the EU in the mid-1990s.
The membership of the Tories has always been highly eurosceptic though. It's like recognising the sun rises in the east.
She wants the party Chairman to stop people from joining the party?
Surely Soubry needs to accept that as a remainer she's in the minority within the Tories ? My ex local MP Lee Rowley is becoming quite anti-fracking but he obviously observes it is Gov't policy within England to not be against development on a national level.
She should 'accept' it in the same way that the bastards accepted John Major's policies on the EU in the mid-1990s.
The membership of the Tories has always been highly eurosceptic though. It's like recognising the sun rises in the east.
She seems to want to stop people joining the party who support government policy because she wishes to change that policy. It has the attraction of novelty, certainly.
She wants the party Chairman to stop people from joining the party?
Surely Soubry needs to accept that as a remainer she's in the minority within the Tories ? My ex local MP Lee Rowley is becoming quite anti-fracking but he obviously observes it is Gov't policy within England to not be against development on a national level.
She should 'accept' it in the same way that the bastards accepted John Major's policies on the EU in the mid-1990s.
The membership of the Tories has always been highly eurosceptic though. It's like recognising the sun rises in the east.
The membership has a history of being homophobic. Should the party follow suit?
She wants the party Chairman to stop people from joining the party?
Surely Soubry needs to accept that as a remainer she's in the minority within the Tories ? My ex local MP Lee Rowley is becoming quite anti-fracking but he obviously observes it is Gov't policy within England to not be against development on a national level.
She should 'accept' it in the same way that the bastards accepted John Major's policies on the EU in the mid-1990s.
The membership of the Tories has always been highly eurosceptic though. It's like recognising the sun rises in the east.
The membership has a history of being homophobic. Should the party follow suit?
Gay marriage etc is party policy now, but so too is Brexit. See @DavidL's wise words below.
She wants the party Chairman to stop people from joining the party?
Surely Soubry needs to accept that as a remainer she's in the minority within the Tories ? My ex local MP Lee Rowley is becoming quite anti-fracking but he obviously observes it is Gov't policy within England to not be against development on a national level.
She should 'accept' it in the same way that the bastards accepted John Major's policies on the EU in the mid-1990s.
The membership of the Tories has always been highly eurosceptic though. It's like recognising the sun rises in the east.
The membership has a history of being homophobic. Should the party follow suit?
The party and the government's policy on homosexuality is equality, same sex marriage and respect. People who don't have those views should not be welcomed into the party (and before TUD makes the point that includes some Scottish councillors with "interesting" views). But to try to stop people joining because they support the declared policy of the government is demented.
The membership of the Tories has always been highly eurosceptic though. It's like recognising the sun rises in the east.
The membership has a history of being homophobic. Should the party follow suit?
Gay marriage etc is party policy now, but so too is Brexit. See @DavidL's wise words below.
True, but you were talking about respecting the views of the membership, not respecting policy. And the Tories policy on Brexit is a mystery to me, given how factional the Leave side is on its own, never mind the small caucus of Remainers.
So it's a win-win for every country except the UK. Brexit dividend.
No it's not. Even though the value of the projects is conspicuous absent, it is still a win for Britain.
This is measuring new projects the bar is not set at the same as the prior year as the prior years projects are still happening.
Even in 2017, even with supposedly projects moving overseas, more NEW projects started in the UK than any other nation.
Actually that graph sums up Brexit completely. A diminution in wealth, foregone opportunities. Because of course there has been a decrease in investment.
But not dramatic enough for (m)any people to notice, perhaps completely invisible to the man on the street.
And we voted for it in return for..what? Being forced to allow more non-EU migrants to come to this country.
Yes it does sum up Brexit perfectly. Brexit Britain is outperforming all EU27 nations.
Oh my God, the level of delusion is really staggering. It would be funny if it weren't so serious. Reading the posts of committed Brexiters is like talking to flat-earthers or religious zealots. Are you seriously not even a little bit concerned the country might have made a serious economic mistake?
So far, no.
That doesn't mean that there isn't potential for a car crash Brexit to do damage.
Thank you for your honest answer. As someone that thinks the whole idea has been sold on a false prospectus and will lead to serious damage to our economy I do accept that there is a chance I could be wrong and it all turns out to be benign. For something that is this big it does seem rather quasi-religious to have such faith that you are not in the slightest concerned that it could possibly be a serious mistake?
She wants the party Chairman to stop people from joining the party?
Surely Soubry needs to accept that as a remainer she's in the minority within the Tories ? My ex local MP Lee Rowley is becoming quite anti-fracking but he obviously observes it is Gov't policy within England to not be against development on a national level.
She should 'accept' it in the same way that the bastards accepted John Major's policies on the EU in the mid-1990s.
The membership of the Tories has always been highly eurosceptic though. It's like recognising the sun rises in the east.
The membership has a history of being homophobic. Should the party follow suit?
The party and the government's policy on homosexuality is equality, same sex marriage and respect. People who don't have those views should not be welcomed into the party (and before TUD makes the point that includes some Scottish councillors with "interesting" views). But to try to stop people joining because they support the declared policy of the government is demented.
It would be pretty odd for people who want to stop Brexit to join the Tories.
She wants the party Chairman to stop people from joining the party?
Surely Soubry needs to accept that as a remainer she's in the minority within the Tories ? My ex local MP Lee Rowley is becoming quite anti-fracking but he obviously observes it is Gov't policy within England to not be against development on a national level.
She should 'accept' it in the same way that the bastards accepted John Major's policies on the EU in the mid-1990s.
The membership of the Tories has always been highly eurosceptic though. It's like recognising the sun rises in the east.
The membership has a history of being homophobic. Should the party follow suit?
Which one of these statements rings true?
A. The Conservative Party has a problem with homophobia
B. The Labour Party has a problem with anti-semitism
So it's a win-win for every country except the UK. Brexit dividend.
No it's not. Even though the value of the projects is conspicuous absent, it is still a win for Britain.
This is measuring new projects the bar is not set at the same as the prior year as the prior years projects are still happening.
Even in 2017, even with supposedly projects moving overseas, more NEW projects started in the UK than any other nation.
Actually that graph sums up Brexit completely.
What? A complete lack of numbers, context and argument.
Yes, you may well have it.
I'm guessing here that BBG understands the average analytical skills of Leavers and hence just put a picture up there. My guess also is that they have the numbers, stats, context and analysis that underpins that chart.
You guess?
lol
It's a rhetorical device.
Let me dumb it down for you: they have the numbers, stats, context and analysis that underpins that chart.
Yet they chose not to share those numbers. Funny that. Probably because those numbers don't match the agenda they're trying to push so they shared these dumbed down numbers instead.
(It's actually quite an interesting study, including some good stuff on regional variations in FDI)
So in summary the UK remains the largest single recipient of FDI in the EU creating more jobs than in any other country and growing by 6% in the latest year but our overall share of FDI fell from 19% to 18% because the market for FDI rose by 10% overall?
I find the impact of the current uncertainty astonishing. Who could have predicted it would be so trivial? I certainly didn't.
I think the rate of growth of our EU buddies is also an interesting element of the report.
She wants the party Chairman to stop people from joining the party?
Do you want to welcome in the Tories equivalent of 'Momentum'?
Soubry already represents something nearer to Momentum in the Conservative Party - a very minority view that she wishes to impose on all, regardless of the wider democratic voice...
She wants the party Chairman to stop people from joining the party?
Surely Soubry needs to accept that as a remainer she's in the minority within the Tories ? My ex local MP Lee Rowley is becoming quite anti-fracking but he obviously observes it is Gov't policy within England to not be against development on a national level.
She should 'accept' it in the same way that the bastards accepted John Major's policies on the EU in the mid-1990s.
The membership of the Tories has always been highly eurosceptic though. It's like recognising the sun rises in the east.
So it's a win-win for every country except the UK. Brexit dividend.
No it's not. Even though the value of the projects is conspicuous absent, it is still a win for Britain.
This is measuring new projects the bar is not set at the same as the prior year as the prior years projects are still happening.
Even in 2017, even with supposedly projects moving overseas, more NEW projects started in the UK than any other nation.
Actually that graph sums up Brexit completely. A diminution in wealth, foregone opportunities. Because of course there has been a decrease in investment.
But not dramatic enough for (m)any people to notice, perhaps completely invisible to the man on the street.
And we voted for it in return for..what? Being forced to allow more non-EU migrants to come to this country.
Yes it does sum up Brexit perfectly. Brexit Britain is outperforming all EU27 nations.
Oh my God, the level of delusion is really staggering. It would be funny if it weren't so serious. Reading the posts of committed Brexiters is like talking to flat-earthers or religious zealots. Are you seriously not even a little bit concerned the country might have made a serious economic mistake?
So far, no.
That doesn't mean that there isn't potential for a car crash Brexit to do damage.
Thank you for your honest answer. As someone that thinks the whole idea has been sold on a false prospectus and will lead to serious damage to our economy I do accept that there is a chance I could be wrong and it all turns out to be benign. For something that is this big it does seem rather quasi-religious to have such faith that you are not in the slightest concerned that it could possibly be a serious mistake?
I think one should always be prepared to question one's assumptions.
All things being equal, I think the impact of Brexit, over the course of 10-15 years will be that economic growth over that period will be very slightly less than would otherwise have been the case. However, I think the main determinant of economic growth rates will be the policies pursued domestically over that period.
My main concern about the EU has always been political, that's its institutions have obtained too much power, and show no sign of being prepared to return powers to member States.
So it's a win-win for every country except the UK. Brexit dividend.
No it's not. Even though the value of the projects is conspicuous absent, it is still a win for Britain.
This is measuring new projects the bar is not set at the same as the prior year as the prior years projects are still happening.
Even in 2017, even with supposedly projects moving overseas, more NEW projects started in the UK than any other nation.
Actually that graph sums up Brexit completely. A diminution in wealth, foregone opportunities. Because of course there has been a decrease in investment.
But not dramatic enough for (m)any people to notice, perhaps completely invisible to the man on the street.
And we voted for it in return for..what? Being forced to allow more non-EU migrants to come to this country.
Yes it does sum up Brexit perfectly. Brexit Britain is outperforming all EU27 nations.
Oh my God, the level of delusion is really staggering. It would be funny if it weren't so serious. Reading the posts of committed Brexiters is like talking to flat-earthers or religious zealots. Are you seriously not even a little bit concerned the country might have made a serious economic mistake?
How is that relevant to what I wrote? What I wrote is the data shows the UK outperformed all other EU27 nations in a year of maximum uncertainty.
Am I a little bit concerned? Yes.
Same question reversed ars you even a little bit optimistic that the country may have made a seriously positive decision?
No, as per my other comment a second ago, I accept that there is a possibility it could turn out to be benign, but the balance of evidence and my common sense as a business person tells me that is highly unlikely. As for it being positive I cannot accept that from my perspective and values it cannot ever be viewed as positive or optimistic as it is something that was based on nationalistic tendencies and for many (though I accept not all) base instincts of dislike or even hatred of foreigners. I am fundamentally an internationalist and one nation Tory and I look forward to the day when I may be in my 80s or 90s when the UK is readmitted to it's natural family of European nations.
She wants the party Chairman to stop people from joining the party?
Surely Soubry needs to accept that as a remainer she's in the minority within the Tories ? My ex local MP Lee Rowley is becoming quite anti-fracking but he obviously observes it is Gov't policy within England to not be against development on a national level.
She should 'accept' it in the same way that the bastards accepted John Major's policies on the EU in the mid-1990s.
The membership of the Tories has always been highly eurosceptic though. It's like recognising the sun rises in the east.
The membership has a history of being homophobic. Should the party follow suit?
The party and the government's policy on homosexuality is equality, same sex marriage and respect. People who don't have those views should not be welcomed into the party (and before TUD makes the point that includes some Scottish councillors with "interesting" views). But to try to stop people joining because they support the declared policy of the government is demented.
Och, you're no fun.
It's odd that the SCons with certainly the best known gay leader in UK politics also seem to have an ambivalent attitude to having those people with 'interesting' views as elected members (what the wider membership is like God only knows).
She wants the party Chairman to stop people from joining the party?
Surely Soubry needs to accept that as a remainer she's in the minority within the Tories ? My ex local MP Lee Rowley is becoming quite anti-fracking but he obviously observes it is Gov't policy within England to not be against development on a national level.
She should 'accept' it in the same way that the bastards accepted John Major's policies on the EU in the mid-1990s.
The membership of the Tories has always been highly eurosceptic though. It's like recognising the sun rises in the east.
The membership has a history of being homophobic. Should the party follow suit?
The party and the government's policy on homosexuality is equality, same sex marriage and respect. People who don't have those views should not be welcomed into the party (and before TUD makes the point that includes some Scottish councillors with "interesting" views). But to try to stop people joining because they support the declared policy of the government is demented.
It would be pretty odd for people who want to stop Brexit to join the Tories.
"The costumes had been used in previous parades to teach students about the Prophet Muhammad's faith and beliefs, she added."
Remember this is Indonesia
"Indonesia has endured a spate of deadly militant violence in recent years.
The 17,000 island archipelago, which has the world's biggest Muslim population, suffered its worst attack in a decade in May after ISIS-inspired suicide bombers attacked several churches.
Indonesia's deadliest terror attack was the 2002 Bali bombing which killed over 200 people."
So it's a win-win for every country except the UK. Brexit dividend.
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But not dramatic enough for (m)any people to notice, perhaps completely invisible to the man on the street.
And we voted for it in return for..what? Being forced to allow more non-EU migrants to come to this country.
Yes it does sum up Brexit perfectly. Brexit Britain is outperforming all EU27 nations.
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So far, no.
That doesn't mean that there isn't potential for a car crash Brexit to do damage.
Thank you for your honest answer. As someone that thinks the whole idea has been sold on a false prospectus and will lead to serious damage to our economy I do accept that there is a chance I could be wrong and it all turns out to be benign. For something that is this big it does seem rather quasi-religious to have such faith that you are not in the slightest concerned that it could possibly be a serious mistake?
One of the issues is that the whole discussion has been based on GDP. I do not want to imply that I speak for all leavers but to me their are more important issues than whether GDP growth in 2030 is +34% or +27% (treasury severe shock forecast). I want to be able to fire the people that make the laws, I want to empower our lawmakers, I want transparency in the law making process not some hidden negotiation, that was never questioned by the MP's until agreed and could not be changed and was then signed by the PM skulking into a darkened room. I believe that one input makes better decisions than 28 competiting interests, I believe bilateral trade agreements where the UK represents itself with result in quicker and better deals for both sides. I do not believe that the EU with its regional funds or its input on the environment across 28 countries is beneficial or efficient. I could go on, but I will trade all these for 7 points of GDP growth over 14 years. Remain need to make the case that 28 inputs make better decisions, that we have more influence around the world being in the EU, etc, etc. They have made none of these arguments.
I also believe all this discussion about the future with the Miller case, the Lords nailing their flags to the mast the MP's that have suddenly had to discuss their core feelings and principles about who governs the UK has been fantastic. We have started the process of transparency and IMO this is a good first move.
So it's a win-win for every country except the UK. Brexit dividend.
No it's not. Even though the value of the projects is conspicuous absent, it is still a win for Britain.
This is measuring new projects the bar is not set at the same as the prior year as the prior years projects are still happening.
Even in 2017, even with supposedly projects moving overseas, more NEW projects started in the UK than any other nation.
Actually that graph sums up Brexit completely. A diminution in wealth, foregone opportunities. Because of course there has been a decrease in investment.
But not dramatic enough for (m)any people to notice, perhaps completely invisible to the man on the street.
And we voseriously positive decision?
No, as per my other comment a second ago, I accept that there is a possibility it could turn out to be benign, but the balance of evidence and my common sense as a business person tells me that is highly unlikely. As for it being positive I cannot accept that from my perspective and values it cannot ever be viewed as positive or optimistic as it is something that was based on nationalistic tendencies and for many (though I accept not all) base instincts of dislike or even hatred of foreigners. I am fundamentally an internationalist and one nation Tory and I look forward to the day when I may be in my 80s or 90s when the UK is readmitted to it's natural family of European nations.
err - we will still be Europeans even after leaving the political construct that is the EU.
You might want to take a look at the Pew polling on tolerance of others in various European countries before trying to lump most leave voters as knuckle dragging racists.
Thank you for your honest answer. As someone that thinks the whole idea has been sold on a false prospectus and will lead to serious damage to our economy I do accept that there is a chance I could be wrong and it all turns out to be benign. For something that is this big it does seem rather quasi-religious to have such faith that you are not in the slightest concerned that it could possibly be a serious mistake?
That question is not directed to me and sorry to butt in but it is an interesting one.
As a leaver I always accepted that leaving the EU would cause a period of uncertainty and some forgone growth if that uncertainty would not have occurred (although a decision to remain on a 52:48 basis would perhaps have had its own uncertainties). I think that foregone growth was greatly exaggerated. So far I have been right but we haven't left yet, the negotiation process has been conducted sub-optimally and there is still a risk of things being disrupted more severely.
Looking forward I think that there is a good chance that a UK not burdened with the excessive bureaucracy of the EU and focussed on its own requirements might make better decisions and have better results. But this is only a chance, it is by no means impossible that our political class will not continue to screw things up even without the EU distracting them.
Is it possible that instead we will find ourselves subject to much lower growth falling behind an EU no longer held up by UK intransigence? Yes, it's possible.
I am not sure we will ever know but in 10 years time we will be able to compare the performance of the EZ and the UK. Even if we have grown faster (and I think we will) that does not prove that leaving was a good idea in GDP terms because we might have grown faster inside as well (probably would have done in my view). If we have grown more slowly then we will need to think about why and whether this was such a good idea. But the EU we would consider rejoining at that point may not look like the EU we are leaving.
So it's a win-win for every country except the UK. Brexit dividend.
No it's not. Even though the value of the projects is conspicuous absent, it is still a win for Britain.
This is measuring new projects the bar is not set at the same as the prior year as the prior years projects are still happening. perspective and values it cannot ever be viewed as positive or optimistic as it is something that was based on nationalistic tendencies and for many (though I accept not all) base instincts of dislike or even hatred of foreigners. I am fundamentally an internationalist and one nation Tory and I look forward to the day when I may be in my 80s or 90s when the UK is readmitted to it's natural family of European nations.
err - we will still be Europeans even after leaving the political construct that is the EU.
You might want to take a look at the Pew polling on tolerance of others in various European countries before trying to lump most leave voters as knuckle dragging racists.
Clue - we are a more tolerant country than most.
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err - we will still be Europeans even after leaving the political construct that is the EU.
You might want to take a look at the Pew polling on tolerance of others in various European countries before trying to lump most leave voters as knuckle dragging racists.
my reply keeps getting embedded - I was trying to say-
err - we will still be Europeans even after leaving the political construct that is the EU.
You might want to take a look at the Pew polling on tolerance of others in various European countries before trying to lump most leave voters as knuckle dragging racists.
She wants the party Chairman to stop people from joining the party?
Surely Soubry needs to accept that as a remainer she's in the minority within the Tories ? My ex local MP Lee Rowley is becoming quite anti-fracking but he obviously observes it is Gov't policy within England to not be against development on a national level.
She should 'accept' it in the same way that the bastards accepted John Major's policies on the EU in the mid-1990s.
The membership of the Tories has always been highly eurosceptic though. It's like recognising the sun rises in the east.
The membership has a history of being homophobic. Should the party follow suit?
The party and the government's policy on homosexuality is equality, same sex marriage and respect. People who don't have those views should not be welcomed into the party (and before TUD makes the point that includes some Scottish councillors with "interesting" views). But to try to stop people joining because they support the declared policy of the government is demented.
Och, you're no fun.
It's odd that the SCons with certainly the best known gay leader in UK politics also seem to have an ambivalent attitude to having those people with 'interesting' views as elected members (what the wider membership is like God only knows).
LOL. In reality I think it is largely a generational thing. I think it is really surprising and welcome how completely uncontroversial gay marriage now is.
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What is amusing is that the same twattish, tired, non-working memes that failed the Remain campaign are still being used to try to make Brexit look bad.
"Quick, knock up a diagram that shows how Brexit is failing."
"What?"
"I dunno - make some shit up...."
Supporting any leader under those circumstances would be to support fraud.
Are you ok with that?
https://youtube.com/watch?v=TxiSWKYjc20#fauxfullscreen
But not dramatic enough for (m)any people to notice, perhaps completely invisible to the man on the street.
And we voted for it in return for..what? Being forced to allow more non-EU migrants to come to this country.
However, that fall in investment might be temporary; there's no way of knowing at this stage whether the effect will end up being primarily investment postponed, or investment lost for ever. That in turn depends on The Deal, which is unknown at this time.
Then again, he genuinely believes in class war. It’s very naive to assume someone like that would be held back by any conventions or, if they had a parliamentary majority, the law.
Just asked my darling wife, and she says it was a simple 'T', with minor serifs, in the middle of the boot lid. There was no other ID we could see on the car.
Yes, you may well have it.
People obviously think there’s a 10% chance of either it raining for the next 2 1/2 days or of India batting it out and forgetting to declare.
Am I right in thinking England are effectively 1 wicket down already due to Bairstow's injury ?
Methinks Kohli will probably play carefully till he has his century - and then let rip. Imagine India will declare when they're perhaps 500 ahead.
table 1.
Whilst I would have a concern about how easy it will be to get the relevant figures my expectation is that by 2020 that percentage will at least have been maintained and is more likely to grow than shrink. Approximately 90% of the growth in financial services will be outside the EU in that period and London is well placed to benefit.
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The desire of Remainers to find succour in numbers is pitiful to behold.
Did you actually read what I wrote?
This id driving us both slightly insane. Or insaner ...
Yes, if Bairstow can’t bat then they only need 9 wickets. You can have a runner for an injured man, but can’t substitute a batsman or (bowler) after the match has started.
The 'JC phenomenon' was many things but one of them was about his seeming to be, on some levels, an ordinary bloke. Being tarred with being thought to have fiddled expenses (whatever the truth of the details) would make him 'just another politician', at which point the rider 'and not a very good one' risks being added.
FWIW, nothing that's come out is anything more than a Westminster story - though even a Westminster story wouldn't have zero effect as it'd embolden his MP critics, and that split/criticism would feed through to the general public.
lol
http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/8204/game/1127716/leicestershire-vs-kent-specsavers-county-championship-division-two-2018
Let me dumb it down for you: they have the numbers, stats, context and analysis that underpins that chart.
https://www.ey.com/Publication/vwLUAssets/2018-UK-Attractiveness-Survey/$FILE/EY-UK-Atttractiveness-Survey-2018.pdf
https://www.ey.com/Publication/vwLUAssets/2018-UK-Attractiveness-Survey/$FILE/EY-UK-Atttractiveness-Survey-2018.pdf
Jeez.
(It's actually quite an interesting study, including some good stuff on regional variations in FDI)
As I said upthread, it's too early to tell to what extent this is a permanent effect.
Where sane Leavers do have a point is that the economic damage so far is quite limited, and, so far at least, considerably less than almost all economists and analysts predicted before the referendum. Personally, I'm surprised that the effect hasn't been bigger, purely because of the uncertainty, but facts are facts. Of course, we haven't actually left yet, so this particular fact might be misleadingly reassuring.
That doesn't mean that there isn't potential for a car crash Brexit to do damage.
Evident on this board everyday. Some won’t even follow a link without screaming that the witch be dunked.
And as Soubry's a backbench MP, she has as much 'control' as the other Conservative MPs. So perhaps he should help 'take back control' by standing to be an MP?
https://twitter.com/johnsweeneyroar/status/1031421581757763585
“Our survey findings highlight that the UK’s appeal on qualitative measures has fallen significantly in the last two years. Investor perceptions of the quality of life, diversity in the UK, the degree of stability in the social climate, and the transparency and predictability of politics and law have all fallen. The UK is seen as less welcoming than it once was and the UK environment is seen as less pro-business.”
That’s Brexit in a nutshell.
S-S&D: 25%
M-EPP: 21% (+1)
SD-ECR: 19%
C-ALDE: 9% (-1)
V-LEFT: 9%
MP-G/EFA: 5%
KD-EPP: 5% (+1)
L-ALDE: 5% (+1)
Field work: 10/8/18- 16/8/18
Sample size: 2049
#val2018
I just skimmed through that report and it is interesting and far from the universal gloomfest that Scott et al would have us believe. The UK didn't just get more new financial projects than any other EU27 nation it also got a higher share of FDI from outside Europe, winning an increased share of US FDI from our already number 1 spot to an even higher percentage (pp 28-29).
I find the impact of the current uncertainty astonishing. Who could have predicted it would be so trivial? I certainly didn't.
Sorry Anna.
Am I a little bit concerned? Yes.
Same question reversed ars you even a little bit optimistic that the country may have made a seriously positive decision?
A. The Conservative Party has a problem with homophobia
B. The Labour Party has a problem with anti-semitism
All things being equal, I think the impact of Brexit, over the course of 10-15 years will be that economic growth over that period will be very slightly less than would otherwise have been the case. However, I think the main determinant of economic growth rates will be the policies pursued domestically over that period.
My main concern about the EU has always been political, that's its institutions have obtained too much power, and show no sign of being prepared to return powers to member States.
It's odd that the SCons with certainly the best known gay leader in UK politics also seem to have an ambivalent attitude to having those people with 'interesting' views as elected members (what the wider membership is like God only knows).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQpsVGYqdPA
https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/kindergarten-in-indonesia-dresses-children-as-armed-jihadis-for-parade-sparks-backlash?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&xtor=CS1-10#Echobox=1534761374
The excuse is another WTF moment
"The costumes had been used in previous parades to teach students about the Prophet Muhammad's faith and beliefs, she added."
Remember this is Indonesia
"Indonesia has endured a spate of deadly militant violence in recent years.
The 17,000 island archipelago, which has the world's biggest Muslim population, suffered its worst attack in a decade in May after ISIS-inspired suicide bombers attacked several churches.
Indonesia's deadliest terror attack was the 2002 Bali bombing which killed over 200 people."
Please someone sack this moron
I want to be able to fire the people that make the laws, I want to empower our lawmakers, I want transparency in the law making process not some hidden negotiation, that was never questioned by the MP's until agreed and could not be changed and was then signed by the PM skulking into a darkened room. I believe that one input makes better decisions than 28 competiting interests, I believe bilateral trade agreements where the UK represents itself with result in quicker and better deals for both sides. I do not believe that the EU with its regional funds or its input on the environment across 28 countries is beneficial or efficient.
I could go on, but I will trade all these for 7 points of GDP growth over 14 years.
Remain need to make the case that 28 inputs make better decisions, that we have more influence around the world being in the EU, etc, etc. They have made none of these arguments.
I also believe all this discussion about the future with the Miller case, the Lords nailing their flags to the mast the MP's that have suddenly had to discuss their core feelings and principles about who governs the UK has been fantastic. We have started the process of transparency and IMO this is a good first move.
As a leaver I always accepted that leaving the EU would cause a period of uncertainty and some forgone growth if that uncertainty would not have occurred (although a decision to remain on a 52:48 basis would perhaps have had its own uncertainties). I think that foregone growth was greatly exaggerated. So far I have been right but we haven't left yet, the negotiation process has been conducted sub-optimally and there is still a risk of things being disrupted more severely.
Looking forward I think that there is a good chance that a UK not burdened with the excessive bureaucracy of the EU and focussed on its own requirements might make better decisions and have better results. But this is only a chance, it is by no means impossible that our political class will not continue to screw things up even without the EU distracting them.
Is it possible that instead we will find ourselves subject to much lower growth falling behind an EU no longer held up by UK intransigence? Yes, it's possible.
I am not sure we will ever know but in 10 years time we will be able to compare the performance of the EZ and the UK. Even if we have grown faster (and I think we will) that does not prove that leaving was a good idea in GDP terms because we might have grown faster inside as well (probably would have done in my view). If we have grown more slowly then we will need to think about why and whether this was such a good idea. But the EU we would consider rejoining at that point may not look like the EU we are leaving.
my reply keeps getting embedded - I was trying to say-
err - we will still be Europeans even after leaving the political construct that is the EU.
You might want to take a look at the Pew polling on tolerance of others in various European countries before trying to lump most leave voters as knuckle dragging racists.
Clue - we are a more tolerant country than most.