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    brendan16brendan16 Posts: 2,315
    edited August 2018
    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Someone's going to end up with egg on their face post Swedish election...
    The Swedish Democrats are not going to take power, it will be a Swedish Democrat led or Moderate led coalition that does that, the question is whether they can beat one or both of the main established parties the Moderates and the Swedish Democrats
    Don't you mean Social democrats in the second and third cases - not the Sweden Democrats?

    Two of the polling firms including you gov generally show the Sweden Democrats in first place but the others generally have the Social democrats ahead and in some cases the SDs behind the Moderates. We will find out who is accurate next month.

    A coalition involving the SDs and the other centre right parties including the Moderates is not impossible as the SDs have sought to moderate their positions.. They now of course ally with the Tories in Brussels having moved from UKIPs group last month.

    It's a bit too simple to apportion labels these days wanting greater and fairer immigration controls isn't necessarily far right.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,009
    edited August 2018
    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    RobD said:

    The mention of George Bell is misleading and anomalous.
    The Church of England, presumably intending to appear tough and rigorous,
    was only too keen to presume George Bell’s guilt on ancient, uncorroborated evidence the
    independent Carlile report has since found to be weak and wholly inadequate, and to have been considered by a tribunal that was slipshod and unfair. The Bishop’s
    anti-establishment defenders had to fight against the Church
    establishment to achieve this. Perhaps you have the wrong Bishop.

    The real Peter Hitchens? Welcome to PB, regardless.
    I dealt with this upthread.
    This is what I put.

    That is a fair point. He was never charged or tried. My point was that there have been allegations of cover ups by senior Anglican churchmen of allegations of abuse against other senior clergymen. Perhaps a better example might have been the Bishop of Gloucester who did accept a caution and about whom the Inquiry into Historic Child Abuse recently commented.
    HYUFD said:

    Cyclefree said:

    HYUFD said:

    Given over half the world's population are Catholic or Muslim those bodies are big enough to survive past scandals, though Pope Francis is trying to move the Catholic Church in a different direction.

    The Labour Party and the BBC and the NHS also are big enough and with strong enough brands to learn from their past scandals and move on

    Survival is not enough. One of my Irish cousins, a priest, now living in America says that the Irish Catholic church is utterly discredited. You may think that a good thing. It will survive I expect. But it means that it in the interim it is less able to do the good it can do.

    The NHS has not learnt as much as it might from past scandals about how to develop an effective whistleblowing culture.

    We should surely want something more than just mere survival.
    There are 1.2 billion Catholics worldwide, that would make it the third biggest country after China and India. Irish Catholics are just a tiny fraction of that and Pope Francis is gradually moving things on.

    In terms of the NHS it is fine having whistleblowers but they need to be confirmed to be true
    A touch complacent I feel. There have been problems in the Catholic church all round the world and, as an ostensibly moral organisation, it should be aiming as high as possible.
    I do not disagree but in Latin America, Eastern Europe and particularly Africa, the Catholic Church is still seeing significant growth and Africa is where the lion's share of global population growth is coming
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,358
    rcs1000 said:

    welshowl said:

    stodge said:

    welshowl said:

    Indeed.

    Brown's insane tax on dividends in pensions 21 years old and counting. Idiotic decision, and no sign of the present lot thinking about doing anything about it.

    Lawson too is to blame (think it was him in the 80's?) as well, for capping what you could put into schemes as a company (so they didn't "avoid" corporation tax one assumes?).

    Politician's looking at the tax take next week both, instead of how we were going to pay for ourselves in our old age.

    It's also an integral part of the wider housing problem. With so many homes which would otherwise have gone to younger people held by older people as secondary capital assets how are we going to break this logjam and aid the supply side of the housing conundrum?

    Raise interest rates as fast as you dare and then a bit more. Then pension assets will pay out more (ie lowering the capital cost of a pension for any given annual payout) and it costs more to service a BTL loan making holding housing less attractive.
    If the UK government looked to raise interest rates, there would be a number of consequences:

    1. Pensions own bonds, which are usually fixed interest. So, raising interest rates would not increase their yields meaningfully.
    2. Sterling would rise, which would make British exports less competitive.
    3. Saving would become more attractive relative to spending, which would help solve the UK's over-consumption problem. However, it would also probably cause an absolute decline in consumer spending.
    4. Getting a mortgage would become harder.

    Raising interest rates would, almost certainly, help correct the UK's imbalances, and be good in the medium to long term. But it would be a painful process. Are we up for that?
    Gradually, I think the answer would have to be yes.

    But it needs to return to 2-3% over a 10 year horizon, not a 3-4 year one. Far too many people have taken out rock bottom mortgages over the last 10 years who couldn’t afford them if the BoE moved too quick.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,969
    Danny565 said:

    Danny565 said:

    PBers frothing at the mouth about "BBC bias" will be delighted to hear that "Corbynites" have apparently infested ITV too -- 15 minutes into their evening news and no mention of it yet. Though two negative stories for the government so far ("fury at the hike in rail fares" and "admission that there's no new money for their 'rough sleeping' strategy").

    Now coming up.
    ITV.. fair 'n balanced! ;)
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    brendan16brendan16 Posts: 2,315
    edited August 2018

    Cyclefree said:

    Anyway off topic a question for the PB brains trust: my current iPad Air is now 5 years old and has a crack on its screen, barely visible and it all works fine.

    Cost of repair is ca. £99. Worth doing? Or should I buy a replacement and if so which iPad / tablet should I go for? I have a Mac I like. But use my iPad a lot.

    Thanks in advance.

    If it is urgent, I'd go for the iPad Pro 10.5.

    If it isn't urgent, there's some new iPads set to be released next month, might be worth waiting until then.
    Apple often do refurbished iPads for a lot less than the current market price - £150 less and more in some cases - and they come with the same one year warranty. You can find the current availabIlity on their website.

    https://www.apple.com/uk/shop/browse/home/specialdeals/ipad
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,009
    edited August 2018
    brendan16 said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Someone's going to end up with egg on their face post Swedish election...
    The Swedish Democrats are not going to take power, it will be a Swedish Democrat led or Moderate led coalition that does that, the question is whether they can beat one or both of the main established parties the Moderates and the Swedish Democrats
    Don't you mean Social democrats in the second and third cases - not the Sweden Democrats?

    Two of the polling firms including you gov generally show the Sweden Democrats in first place but the others generally have the Social democrats ahead. A coalition involving the SDs and the other centre right parties including the Moderates is not impossible as the SDs have sought to moderate their positions. They now of course ally with the Tories in Brussels having moved from UKIPs group last month.

    It's a bit too simple to apportion labels these days wanting greater and fairer immigration controls isn't necessarily far right? Most UK voters want that.
    Sorry yes I only meant Swedish Democrats in the first paragraph (though I imagine it can be confusing having the two names pretty similar).

    If neither the centre left nor centre right coalitions win a majority then a Moderate and Social Democrat Grand Coalition a la Germany is not impossible.

    The Swedish Democrats are really the Swedish UKIP, it is the Moderates with the Tories in the International Democrat Union
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    Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981

    The mention of George Bell is misleading and anomalous.
    The Church of England, presumably intending to appear tough and rigorous,
    was only too keen to presume George Bell’s guilt on ancient, uncorroborated evidence the
    independent Carlile report has since found to be weak and wholly inadequate, and to have been considered by a tribunal that was slipshod and unfair. The Bishop’s
    anti-establishment defenders had to fight against the Church
    establishment to achieve this. Perhaps you have the wrong Bishop.

    No, *you* have the wrong bishop - the relevant one in the George Bell affair is Eric Kemp.
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    brendan16brendan16 Posts: 2,315
    edited August 2018
    HYUFD said:

    brendan16 said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Someone's going to end up with egg on their face post Swedish election...
    The Swedish Democrats are not going to take power, it will be a Swedish Democrat led or Moderate led coalition that does that, the question is whether they can beat one or both of the main established parties the Moderates and the Swedish Democrats
    Don't you mean Social democrats in the second and third cases - not the Sweden Democrats?

    Two of the polling firms including you gov generally show the Sweden Democrats in first place but the others generally have the Social democrats ahead. A coalition involving the SDs and the other centre right parties including the Moderates is not impossible as the SDs have sought to moderate their positions. They now of course ally with the Tories in Brussels having moved from UKIPs group last month.

    It's a bit too simple to apportion labels these days wanting greater and fairer immigration controls isn't necessarily far right? Most UK voters want that.
    Sorry yes I only meant Swedish Democrats in the first paragraph (though I imagine it can be confusing having the two names pretty similar).

    If neither the centre left nor centre right coalitions win a majority then a Moderate and Social Democrat Grand Coalition a la Germany is not impossible.

    The Swedish Democrats are really the Swedish UKIP, it is the Moderates with the Tories in the International Democrat Union
    I agree more pre 2017 UKIP than FN or Freedom party - hence they chose to ally with Farage and Grillo not Le Pen and Wilders. And now they are in bed with the Tories in the ECR group - as their old group will collapse after the next EU elections. Their young leader - Jimmie Akesson - is relatively charismatic but that's not hard in Swedish politics.

    But as you say it's a PR system so coming first matters not one bit if no one wants to go into coalition with you!
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,071

    Cyclefree said:

    Anyway off topic a question for the PB brains trust: my current iPad Air is now 5 years old and has a crack on its screen, barely visible and it all works fine.

    Cost of repair is ca. £99. Worth doing? Or should I buy a replacement and if so which iPad / tablet should I go for? I have a Mac I like. But use my iPad a lot.

    Thanks in advance.

    If it is urgent, I'd go for the iPad Pro 10.5.

    If it isn't urgent, there's some new iPads set to be released next month, might be worth waiting until then.
    Isn't the current regular iPad virtually the same now apart from the size of the screen so would be the best value? I've lost track a bit but I know it works with the pencil now.
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    welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,460

    rcs1000 said:

    welshowl said:

    stodge said:

    welshowl said:

    Indeed.

    Brown's insane tax on dividends in pensions 21 years old and counting. Idiotic decision, and no sign of the present lot thinking about doing anything about it.

    Lawson too is to blame (think it was him in the 80's?) as well, for capping what you could put into schemes as a company (so they didn't "avoid" corporation tax one assumes?).

    Politician's looking at the tax take next week both, instead of how we were going to pay for ourselves in our old age.

    It's also an integral part of the wider housing problem. With so many homes which would otherwise have gone to younger people held by older people as secondary capital assets how are we going to break this logjam and aid the supply side of the housing conundrum?

    Raise interest rates as fast as you dare and then a bit more. Then pension assets will pay out more (ie lowering the capital cost of a pension for any given annual payout) and it costs more to service a BTL loan making holding housing less attractive.
    If the UK government looked to raise interest rates, there would be a number of consequences:

    1. Pensions own bonds, which are usually fixed interest. So, raising interest rates would not increase their yields meaningfully.
    2. Sterling would rise, which would make British exports less competitive.
    3. Saving would become more attractive relative to spending, which would help solve the UK's over-consumption problem. However, it would also probably cause an absolute decline in consumer spending.
    4. Getting a mortgage would become harder.

    Raising interest rates would, almost certainly, help correct the UK's imbalances, and be good in the medium to long term. But it would be a painful process. Are we up for that?
    Gradually, I think the answer would have to be yes.

    But it needs to return to 2-3% over a 10 year horizon, not a 3-4 year one. Far too many people have taken out rock bottom mortgages over the last 10 years who couldn’t afford them if the BoE moved too quick.
    The answer to RCS point is, we have to be “up for it” as much as possible because going on as we are is creating monster problems.

    To be clear in one of my posts I meant future pensioners ( not current ones) would benefit from higher rates because any given capital sum will pay out more than if rates are lower - though I didn’t actually say that (!).

    It’s the old Lord make me virtuous but not quite yet. But we have to be or it’s going to be worse the longer we leave it.
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    Cyclefree said:

    Anyway off topic a question for the PB brains trust: my current iPad Air is now 5 years old and has a crack on its screen, barely visible and it all works fine.

    Cost of repair is ca. £99. Worth doing? Or should I buy a replacement and if so which iPad / tablet should I go for? I have a Mac I like. But use my iPad a lot.

    Thanks in advance.

    If it is urgent, I'd go for the iPad Pro 10.5.

    If it isn't urgent, there's some new iPads set to be released next month, might be worth waiting until then.
    Isn't the current regular iPad virtually the same now apart from the size of the screen so would be the best value? I've lost track a bit but I know it works with the pencil now.
    The new iPads are set to be bezel free so giving you more screen size despite having the same overall dimensions.
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    notmenotme Posts: 3,293

    Cyclefree said:

    Anyway off topic a question for the PB brains trust: my current iPad Air is now 5 years old and has a crack on its screen, barely visible and it all works fine.

    Cost of repair is ca. £99. Worth doing? Or should I buy a replacement and if so which iPad / tablet should I go for? I have a Mac I like. But use my iPad a lot.

    Thanks in advance.

    If it is urgent, I'd go for the iPad Pro 10.5.

    If it isn't urgent, there's some new iPads set to be released next month, might be worth waiting until then.
    Isn't the current regular iPad virtually the same now apart from the size of the screen so would be the best value? I've lost track a bit but I know it works with the pencil now.
    The new iPads are set to be bezel free so giving you more screen size despite having the same overall dimensions.
    iPad Air is still an excellent iPad. The new cheaper version they’ve released over the last year is probably a bit faster, but the build is not really any better. As said, rumours of bezel free versions coming. Don’t feel the need to go pro, unless you want/need the bigger screen...

    (Myself and seant I believe were the first ever posters on pb with iPads, got mine about three days after us launch, we both came to the same conclusion. It will change the world. And it has)
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    twitter.com/DBanksy/status/1029064885475467264

    His excuse is about as believable as a bloke caught in a raid of a knocking shop with his trousers around his ankles saying well I was present but I don’t think I was involved.
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    twitter.com/DBanksy/status/1029064885475467264

    His excuse is about as believable as a bloke caught in a raid of a knocking shop with his trousers around his ankles saying well I was present but I don’t think I was involved.
    Your honour she's a condom seller and she was giving me a demonstration on how to use her product.

    Works every time.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,071
    notme said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Anyway off topic a question for the PB brains trust: my current iPad Air is now 5 years old and has a crack on its screen, barely visible and it all works fine.

    Cost of repair is ca. £99. Worth doing? Or should I buy a replacement and if so which iPad / tablet should I go for? I have a Mac I like. But use my iPad a lot.

    Thanks in advance.

    If it is urgent, I'd go for the iPad Pro 10.5.

    If it isn't urgent, there's some new iPads set to be released next month, might be worth waiting until then.
    Isn't the current regular iPad virtually the same now apart from the size of the screen so would be the best value? I've lost track a bit but I know it works with the pencil now.
    The new iPads are set to be bezel free so giving you more screen size despite having the same overall dimensions.
    iPad Air is still an excellent iPad. The new cheaper version they’ve released over the last year is probably a bit faster, but the build is not really any better. As said, rumours of bezel free versions coming. Don’t feel the need to go pro, unless you want/need the bigger screen...

    (Myself and seant I believe were the first ever posters on pb with iPads, got mine about three days after us launch, we both came to the same conclusion. It will change the world. And it has)
    I was talked into buying one of the first versions unseen by someone who was in San Francisco and was raving about it but I've never really got that much use out of them.
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    notme said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Anyway off topic a question for the PB brains trust: my current iPad Air is now 5 years old and has a crack on its screen, barely visible and it all works fine.

    Cost of repair is ca. £99. Worth doing? Or should I buy a replacement and if so which iPad / tablet should I go for? I have a Mac I like. But use my iPad a lot.

    Thanks in advance.

    If it is urgent, I'd go for the iPad Pro 10.5.

    If it isn't urgent, there's some new iPads set to be released next month, might be worth waiting until then.
    Isn't the current regular iPad virtually the same now apart from the size of the screen so would be the best value? I've lost track a bit but I know it works with the pencil now.
    The new iPads are set to be bezel free so giving you more screen size despite having the same overall dimensions.
    iPad Air is still an excellent iPad. The new cheaper version they’ve released over the last year is probably a bit faster, but the build is not really any better. As said, rumours of bezel free versions coming. Don’t feel the need to go pro, unless you want/need the bigger screen...

    (Myself and seant I believe were the first ever posters on pb with iPads, got mine about three days after us launch, we both came to the same conclusion. It will change the world. And it has)
    Oh the 12.9 inch Pro is too big.

    But the 10.5 inch Pro is less than an inch bigger than the Air, there's no difference.
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    notmenotme Posts: 3,293

    notme said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Anyway off topic a question for the PB brains trust: my current iPad Air is now 5 years old and has a crack on its screen, barely visible and it all works fine.

    Cost of repair is ca. £99. Worth doing? Or should I buy a replacement and if so which iPad / tablet should I go for? I have a Mac I like. But use my iPad a lot.

    Thanks in advance.

    If it is urgent, I'd go for the iPad Pro 10.5.

    If it isn't urgent, there's some new iPads set to be released next month, might be worth waiting until then.
    Isn't the current regular iPad virtually the same now apart from the size of the screen so would be the best value? I've lost track a bit but I know it works with the pencil now.
    The new iPads are set to be bezel free so giving you more screen size despite having the same overall dimensions.
    iPad Air is still an excellent iPad. The new cheaper version they’ve released over the last year is probably a bit faster, but the build is not really any better. As said, rumours of bezel free versions coming. Don’t feel the need to go pro, unless you want/need the bigger screen...

    (Myself and seant I believe were the first ever posters on pb with iPads, got mine about three days after us launch, we both came to the same conclusion. It will change the world. And it has)
    I was talked into buying one of the first versions unseen by someone who was in San Francisco and was raving about it but I've never really got that much use out of them.
    Compared to today’s offering, they are ropey, but most first gen tech is.

    The iPad and iPhone have revolutionised computing and communications. The iPad (and to a lesser extend other tablets) are now the “next device” people buy when their pc/laptop dies. That rock solid monopoly that Microsoft had has gone, puff, it is no more. Computers with a screen, a base keyboard and desk are relics. Found in old people’s houses and the work place. The ‘laptop’ is just holding on but is morphing into a niche for people who need to do more than an iPad lets them.

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    Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    notme said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Anyway off topic a question for the PB brains trust: my current iPad Air is now 5 years old and has a crack on its screen, barely visible and it all works fine.

    Cost of repair is ca. £99. Worth doing? Or should I buy a replacement and if so which iPad / tablet should I go for? I have a Mac I like. But use my iPad a lot.

    Thanks in advance.

    If it is urgent, I'd go for the iPad Pro 10.5.

    If it isn't urgent, there's some new iPads set to be released next month, might be worth waiting until then.
    Isn't the current regular iPad virtually the same now apart from the size of the screen so would be the best value? I've lost track a bit but I know it works with the pencil now.
    The new iPads are set to be bezel free so giving you more screen size despite having the same overall dimensions.
    iPad Air is still an excellent iPad. The new cheaper version they’ve released over the last year is probably a bit faster, but the build is not really any better. As said, rumours of bezel free versions coming. Don’t feel the need to go pro, unless you want/need the bigger screen...

    (Myself and seant I believe were the first ever posters on pb with iPads, got mine about three days after us launch, we both came to the same conclusion. It will change the world. And it has)
    And not everyone was saying that, a lot of reviews were to the effect it's a joke size phone which doesn't make calls and its name sounds like a sanitary product, what a flop. A useful reminder of how bloody difficult prediction is.
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    twitter.com/DBanksy/status/1029064885475467264

    His excuse is about as believable as a bloke caught in a raid of a knocking shop with his trousers around his ankles saying well I was present but I don’t think I was involved.
    Your honour she's a condom seller and she was giving me a demonstration on how to use her product.

    Works every time.
    A TSE life hack.
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,205
    brendan16 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Anyway off topic a question for the PB brains trust: my current iPad Air is now 5 years old and has a crack on its screen, barely visible and it all works fine.

    Cost of repair is ca. £99. Worth doing? Or should I buy a replacement and if so which iPad / tablet should I go for? I have a Mac I like. But use my iPad a lot.

    Thanks in advance.

    If it is urgent, I'd go for the iPad Pro 10.5.

    If it isn't urgent, there's some new iPads set to be released next month, might be worth waiting until then.
    Apple often do refurbished iPads for a lot less than the current market price - £150 less and more in some cases - and they come with the same one year warranty. You can find the current availabIlity on their website.

    https://www.apple.com/uk/shop/browse/home/specialdeals/ipad
    Thanks. Very useful. I will look there for something.
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    nielhnielh Posts: 1,307
    The obsession with accountability is paralysing western society. It is literally making it impossible to get anything done. This is likely to end in authoritarianism. Abuse of power and authority will continue. It is foolish beyond belief to think that you can change human nature.


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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,205

    Cyclefree said:

    Anyway off topic a question for the PB brains trust: my current iPad Air is now 5 years old and has a crack on its screen, barely visible and it all works fine.

    Cost of repair is ca. £99. Worth doing? Or should I buy a replacement and if so which iPad / tablet should I go for? I have a Mac I like. But use my iPad a lot.

    Thanks in advance.

    If it is urgent, I'd go for the iPad Pro 10.5.

    If it isn't urgent, there's some new iPads set to be released next month, might be worth waiting until then.
    Isn't the current regular iPad virtually the same now apart from the size of the screen so would be the best value? I've lost track a bit but I know it works with the pencil now.
    The new iPads are set to be bezel free so giving you more screen size despite having the same overall dimensions.
    What is a bezel?
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    twitter.com/DBanksy/status/1029064885475467264

    His excuse is about as believable as a bloke caught in a raid of a knocking shop with his trousers around his ankles saying well I was present but I don’t think I was involved.
    Your honour she's a condom seller and she was giving me a demonstration on how to use her product.

    Works every time.
    A TSE life hack.
    I have three super powers

    1) My legendary modesty

    2) An extraordinary ability to get myself into trouble

    3) An extraordinary ability to get myself out of trouble
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Anyway off topic a question for the PB brains trust: my current iPad Air is now 5 years old and has a crack on its screen, barely visible and it all works fine.

    Cost of repair is ca. £99. Worth doing? Or should I buy a replacement and if so which iPad / tablet should I go for? I have a Mac I like. But use my iPad a lot.

    Thanks in advance.

    If it is urgent, I'd go for the iPad Pro 10.5.

    If it isn't urgent, there's some new iPads set to be released next month, might be worth waiting until then.
    Isn't the current regular iPad virtually the same now apart from the size of the screen so would be the best value? I've lost track a bit but I know it works with the pencil now.
    The new iPads are set to be bezel free so giving you more screen size despite having the same overall dimensions.
    What is a bezel?
    Bit round the side that doesn't form part of the screen.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,031
    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Anyway off topic a question for the PB brains trust: my current iPad Air is now 5 years old and has a crack on its screen, barely visible and it all works fine.

    Cost of repair is ca. £99. Worth doing? Or should I buy a replacement and if so which iPad / tablet should I go for? I have a Mac I like. But use my iPad a lot.

    Thanks in advance.

    If it is urgent, I'd go for the iPad Pro 10.5.

    If it isn't urgent, there's some new iPads set to be released next month, might be worth waiting until then.
    Isn't the current regular iPad virtually the same now apart from the size of the screen so would be the best value? I've lost track a bit but I know it works with the pencil now.
    The new iPads are set to be bezel free so giving you more screen size despite having the same overall dimensions.
    What is a bezel?
    The mechanical border - i.e. the bit at the front that isn't the screen. It comes from watches, where the bezel is the bit around the dial.

    Whilst we're talking about tablets, Acorn was there first with NewsPad. ;)
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,205
    Pulpstar said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Anyway off topic a question for the PB brains trust: my current iPad Air is now 5 years old and has a crack on its screen, barely visible and it all works fine.

    Cost of repair is ca. £99. Worth doing? Or should I buy a replacement and if so which iPad / tablet should I go for? I have a Mac I like. But use my iPad a lot.

    Thanks in advance.

    If it is urgent, I'd go for the iPad Pro 10.5.

    If it isn't urgent, there's some new iPads set to be released next month, might be worth waiting until then.
    Isn't the current regular iPad virtually the same now apart from the size of the screen so would be the best value? I've lost track a bit but I know it works with the pencil now.
    The new iPads are set to be bezel free so giving you more screen size despite having the same overall dimensions.
    What is a bezel?
    Bit round the side that doesn't form part of the screen.
    Thanks. What us old-fashioned people call "margins". :)
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    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Anyway off topic a question for the PB brains trust: my current iPad Air is now 5 years old and has a crack on its screen, barely visible and it all works fine.

    Cost of repair is ca. £99. Worth doing? Or should I buy a replacement and if so which iPad / tablet should I go for? I have a Mac I like. But use my iPad a lot.

    Thanks in advance.

    If it is urgent, I'd go for the iPad Pro 10.5.

    If it isn't urgent, there's some new iPads set to be released next month, might be worth waiting until then.
    Isn't the current regular iPad virtually the same now apart from the size of the screen so would be the best value? I've lost track a bit but I know it works with the pencil now.
    The new iPads are set to be bezel free so giving you more screen size despite having the same overall dimensions.
    What is a bezel?
    image

    The black bits on this model.

    The rumours, from reliable sources, is that the new iPads will be like the iPhone X and have no home button and bezels.
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,793
    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Anyway off topic a question for the PB brains trust: my current iPad Air is now 5 years old and has a crack on its screen, barely visible and it all works fine.

    Cost of repair is ca. £99. Worth doing? Or should I buy a replacement and if so which iPad / tablet should I go for? I have a Mac I like. But use my iPad a lot.

    Thanks in advance.

    If it is urgent, I'd go for the iPad Pro 10.5.

    If it isn't urgent, there's some new iPads set to be released next month, might be worth waiting until then.
    Isn't the current regular iPad virtually the same now apart from the size of the screen so would be the best value? I've lost track a bit but I know it works with the pencil now.
    The new iPads are set to be bezel free so giving you more screen size despite having the same overall dimensions.
    What is a bezel?
    The twin city of Ul Qoma.

    Pause.

    Or it's the distance between the edge of the screen and the edge of the iPad.

    Ah, my coat...
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,793
    Self-Selecting Poll! Please google "voodoo poll".
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,009
    LBC is a London based radio station.

    London voted 60% Remain. Swing to Leave in London?
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,970
    edited August 2018
    Cyclefree said:

    Anyway off topic a question for the PB brains trust: my current iPad Air is now 5 years old and has a crack on its screen, barely visible and it all works fine.

    Cost of repair is ca. £99. Worth doing? Or should I buy a replacement and if so which iPad / tablet should I go for? I have a Mac I like. But use my iPad a lot.

    Thanks in advance.

    My Ipad has had a cracked screen (more serious than yours from the sounds of it) for over 2 years. It hasn't had any affect on the performance, and I now don't even notice it is broken. If you have had it that long, then it really isn't worth fixing.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,125

    Oh and this from yesterday too.

    https://twitter.com/NickyAllt/status/1028962911161647104

    Is the incident when Mark Noble and Jack Wilshire both took a blow to their knackers.

    An ex-girlfriend of mine once managed to catch me - unintenionally, I'm sure - with a blow to the knackers. I creased up in extremis, hitting the deck with a "HAAAWWWWWWWWW......."

    The next thing I know, I'm being hit around the head, with her incensed and shouting "It was an accident! And I'm not a whore!!"

    Thought I'd share that with the class.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,945
    edited August 2018

    twitter.com/DBanksy/status/1029064885475467264

    His excuse is about as believable as a bloke caught in a raid of a knocking shop with his trousers around his ankles saying well I was present but I don’t think I was involved.
    Your honour she's a condom seller and she was giving me a demonstration on how to use her product.

    Works every time.
    A TSE life hack.
    I have three super powers

    1) My legendary modesty

    2) An extraordinary ability to get myself into trouble

    3) An extraordinary ability to get myself out of trouble
    You are Harvey Specter and I claim my £5
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,793

    Oh and this from yesterday too.

    https://twitter.com/NickyAllt/status/1028962911161647104

    Is the incident when Mark Noble and Jack Wilshire both took a blow to their knackers.

    An ex-girlfriend of mine once managed to catch me - unintenionally, I'm sure - with a blow to the knackers. I creased up in extremis, hitting the deck with a "HAAAWWWWWWWWW......."

    The next thing I know, I'm being hit around the head, with her incensed and shouting "It was an accident! And I'm not a whore!!"

    Thought I'd share that with the class.
    Pause.

    Looks round the room.

    "Well, I did this thing with a Dinky toy once[that's enough - Ed]
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    stodgestodge Posts: 12,856
    HYUFD said:

    LBC is a London based radio station.

    London voted 60% Remain. Swing to Leave in London?
    No, LBC may be based in London but can be heard anywhere via digital radio. To assume only people from London voted in the poll would be erroneous.

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    oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,831
    Ishmael_Z said:
    But the delay in featuring a story that was dominating the vast majority of UK news outlets is something worthy of comment. It was not something they needed to find additional sources to confirm - Corbyn's words were out there and should have been featured a lot quicker than they were by the BBC (and ITV)
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,125
    Ishmael_Z said:
    More interesting is that the internet is starting to really take the piss out of his lame excuses. There's not much way back for a politician once people start taking the piss.

    I remember when Ed Miliband lost the Mock The Week panel. He never recovered.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,898
    edited August 2018
    Great piece Ms @Cyclefree. When the instinct of an institution is to immediately try and cover up rather than apologise and learn from mistakes, then the institution itself becomes devalued over time. The covering up often works for a while, but eventually the dam bursts and the consequences are usually more serious than if the original misdemeanours were dealt with properly.

    (Whenever this subject comes up I think of Tim Minchin’s rather rude “Pope Song”, which uses some very bad but entirely justifiable language in its criticism of the Catholic Church).

    iPad - wait for the new release next month and see if you can pick up last year’s models cheaper. The newer ones are noticeably faster than the old ones, go to a store and have a play with a display model. Also, if you’re travelling get one duty free (but not at UK end, they mark them up massively).
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    viewcode said:

    Self-Selecting Poll! Please google "voodoo poll".
    I know.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,125
    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    LBC is a London based radio station.

    London voted 60% Remain. Swing to Leave in London?
    No, LBC may be based in London but can be heard anywhere via digital radio. To assume only people from London voted in the poll would be erroneous.

    So it's a voodoo poll?
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,071

    Ishmael_Z said:
    More interesting is that the internet is starting to really take the piss out of his lame excuses. There's not much way back for a politician once people start taking the piss.

    I remember when Ed Miliband lost the Mock The Week panel. He never recovered.
    "I was present but I don't think I was involved" is such a pathetic excuse it's crying out for it.
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    Ishmael_Z said:
    More interesting is that the internet is starting to really take the piss out of his lame excuses. There's not much way back for a politician once people start taking the piss.

    I remember when Ed Miliband lost the Mock The Week panel. He never recovered.
    Starting? Corbyn got mocked and taken the piss out of (as did Momentum, Owen Jones et al) from 2015-17. This certainly isn’t new for him.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929

    twitter.com/DBanksy/status/1029064885475467264

    His excuse is about as believable as a bloke caught in a raid of a knocking shop with his trousers around his ankles saying well I was present but I don’t think I was involved.
    Your honour she's a condom seller and she was giving me a demonstration on how to use her product.

    Works every time.
    A TSE life hack.
    The court might believe you, your wife won't.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,009
    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    LBC is a London based radio station.

    London voted 60% Remain. Swing to Leave in London?
    No, LBC may be based in London but can be heard anywhere via digital radio. To assume only people from London voted in the poll would be erroneous.

    1.3 million of LBC's 2.2 million listeners live in London ie comfortably over 50%


    https://www.4media-group.co.uk/blog/2018/5/17/radio-listening-trends-in-the-uk-rajar-q1-2018
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,071

    Ishmael_Z said:
    More interesting is that the internet is starting to really take the piss out of his lame excuses. There's not much way back for a politician once people start taking the piss.

    I remember when Ed Miliband lost the Mock The Week panel. He never recovered.
    Starting? Corbyn got mocked and taken the piss out of (as did Momentum, Owen Jones et al) from 2015-17. This certainly isn’t new for him.
    It feels like it's breaking out to a wider audience now. Previously there were a lot of in jokes that you had to be in that milieu to get.
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    TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    I have two Transtec PCs. One is over 20 years old and has needed a memory upgrade and the other is about 15 years old, seriously hunky, and with a quad core processor. I do pretty big calculations on the latter, bomb-proof and unfazed. Oh, and I use a ten quid mobile. Am I missing something in life? Transtec seems to have ceased trading. Their stuff was too good I guess.
    For boffins they were an antidote to Apple, but Apple is savvy.
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    It’s the second story on BBC right now. I think I saw it on Channel 4 News tonight as well.
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    Corbyn taking on Israeli PM saying his accusations are false.

    Ramping up the story
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    Ishmael_Z said:
    More interesting is that the internet is starting to really take the piss out of his lame excuses. There's not much way back for a politician once people start taking the piss.

    I remember when Ed Miliband lost the Mock The Week panel. He never recovered.
    "I was present but I don't think I was involved" is such a pathetic excuse it's crying out for it.
    It is a defence that many husbands would like to use.
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,288
    Adil Rashid, I was present at the test match, but I don't think I was involved.
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    Ishmael_Z said:
    More interesting is that the internet is starting to really take the piss out of his lame excuses. There's not much way back for a politician once people start taking the piss.

    I remember when Ed Miliband lost the Mock The Week panel. He never recovered.
    Starting? Corbyn got mocked and taken the piss out of (as did Momentum, Owen Jones et al) from 2015-17. This certainly isn’t new for him.
    It feels like it's breaking out to a wider audience now. Previously there were a lot of in jokes that you had to be in that milieu to get.
    I don’t know about that. Many of the people who are mocking Corbyn now have never been his biggest fans. Ever since he was elected it’s always been the case that it’s a hardcore group of loyalists who defend him, and that most media commentators, MPs et al generally take a more critical stance.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,775

    Ishmael_Z said:
    More interesting is that the internet is starting to really take the piss out of his lame excuses. There's not much way back for a politician once people start taking the piss.

    I remember when Ed Miliband lost the Mock The Week panel. He never recovered.
    Starting? Corbyn got mocked and taken the piss out of (as did Momentum, Owen Jones et al) from 2015-17. This certainly isn’t new for him.
    Indeed. I think perhaps starting out mocked as a no hoper means he seems inured to a change in the media tide against him, to some extent at least. While Ed M was undoubtedly mocked early on too he was always credible and it did seem notable that he was still mocked throughout. He had supporters, of course, but he didn't have the unbending fury of a mass of supporters to fall back on.

    Corbyn really is very Trump like in a lot of ways when it comes to his base, despite his pitch being different and personally being a polite man. And like Trump it doesn't matter that the bits of the internet that already didn't like him still don't like him.

    That said, I do detect marginal shifts, for example how because of Hodge there are some who now directly call him an anti-semite, rather than couch it in terms of enabling or handling things poorly, and slightly more mockery of his excuses may be part of that. As we saw with the ram packed train incident, Corbyn is more than capable of spinning, obfuscating, dissembling, just like a normal politician.
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388
    Let me get this straight:

    Corbyn was minding his own business in Tunisia, attending a wreath laying ceremony to some Palestinians killed in an airstrike, when by some strange coincidence there were some other people there, conducting a separate wreath laying ceremony to some other Palestinians?

    Hmmm, where have I heard that sort of argument before:

    https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/semicontrolled_demolition.png
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,288
    Corbyn's press team digging a bigger hole and ordering a headstone for Corbyn's political grave?
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    Oh and this from yesterday too.

    https://twitter.com/NickyAllt/status/1028962911161647104

    Is the incident when Mark Noble and Jack Wilshire both took a blow to their knackers.

    An ex-girlfriend of mine once managed to catch me - unintenionally, I'm sure - with a blow to the knackers. I creased up in extremis, hitting the deck with a "HAAAWWWWWWWWW......."

    The next thing I know, I'm being hit around the head, with her incensed and shouting "It was an accident! And I'm not a whore!!"

    Thought I'd share that with the class.
    Sounds like the Louis CK story.

    His wife was performing a sexual act on him, he suggested midway through that she 'lick her palm'

    What his wife heard was 'You look like your mom'
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,898
    Corbyn looks like being in serious trouble now, do Labour MPs have enough of a backbone to start resigning the whip?
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,775
    dr_spyn said:

    Corbyn's press team digging a bigger hole and ordering a headstone for Corbyn's political grave?

    Never rule anything out, but we've heard that many times before and it's worked out for them before - perhaps they know what they are doing?
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,898
    dr_spyn said:

    Adil Rashid, I was present at the test match, but I don't think I was involved.

    That was M Vijay wasn’t it?
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,775
    Sandpit said:

    Corbyn looks like being in serious trouble now, do Labour MPs have enough of a backbone to start resigning the whip?

    Two already have, albeit for very different reasons of course.
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    Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    Sandpit said:

    Great piece Ms @Cyclefree. When the instinct of an institution is to immediately try and cover up rather than apologise and learn from mistakes, then the institution itself becomes devalued over time. The covering up often works for a while, but eventually the dam bursts and the consequences are usually more serious than if the original misdemeanours were dealt with properly.

    (Whenever this subject comes up I think of Tim Minchin’s rather rude “Pope Song”, which uses some very bad but entirely justifiable language in its criticism of the Catholic Church).

    iPad - wait for the new release next month and see if you can pick up last year’s models cheaper. The newer ones are noticeably faster than the old ones, go to a store and have a play with a display model. Also, if you’re travelling get one duty free (but not at UK end, they mark them up massively).

    "The truth will out" is a nailed-on fallacy (not sure what it's called) because the evidence for it is the numerous occasions when the truth does out whereas the evidence against it is ex hypothesi unavailable. It may well be that covering up is the best policy and works a treat in most cases, and is well worth the (counterfactual and unprovable) additional trouble caused by the fact of the cover-up, in the rare instances where it fails.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    If it is urgent, I'd go for the iPad Pro 10.5.

    If it isn't urgent, there's some new iPads set to be released next month, might be worth waiting until then.

    If you like the home button, buy now.

    If you want the facial recognition instead, wait for the new ones
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,775
    As predicted, he's loving that Netanyahu has gotten involved. Puts him on some strong territory from his perspective.
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388
    You see, he says he didn't do it.

    But the very nature of the response says "yeah, I did, so what?"

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    felixfelix Posts: 15,124

    Corbyn taking on Israeli PM saying his accusations are false.

    Ramping up the story

    Corbyn is in his comfort zone at last attacking Israel.
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    kle4 said:

    Ishmael_Z said:
    More interesting is that the internet is starting to really take the piss out of his lame excuses. There's not much way back for a politician once people start taking the piss.

    I remember when Ed Miliband lost the Mock The Week panel. He never recovered.
    Starting? Corbyn got mocked and taken the piss out of (as did Momentum, Owen Jones et al) from 2015-17. This certainly isn’t new for him.
    Indeed. I think perhaps starting out mocked as a no hoper means he seems inured to a change in the media tide against him, to some extent at least. While Ed M was undoubtedly mocked early on too he was always credible and it did seem notable that he was still mocked throughout. He had supporters, of course, but he didn't have the unbending fury of a mass of supporters to fall back on.

    Corbyn really is very Trump like in a lot of ways when it comes to his base, despite his pitch being different and personally being a polite man. And like Trump it doesn't matter that the bits of the internet that already didn't like him still don't like him.

    That said, I do detect marginal shifts, for example how because of Hodge there are some who now directly call him an anti-semite, rather than couch it in terms of enabling or handling things poorly, and slightly more mockery of his excuses may be part of that. As we saw with the ram packed train incident, Corbyn is more than capable of spinning, obfuscating, dissembling, just like a normal politician.
    Oh yes, he’s definitely not the pure, saint like figure that his supporters make him out to be. Then again, outside of his hardcore loyalists I’m not sure whether he was ever seen as a shining beacon of honesty by the public. Perhaps during the election, maybe.

    In terms of a shift, I’ve seen people who were never really keen on him simply become more negative about him. It feels at this point everyone has already made up their mind about Corbyn.

    What I’m more intrigued by is the idea this story is some kind of tipping point. Corbyn’s association with terrorists is not a new thing. We already saw him with Gerry Adams and know his attitude towards the IRA. And IRA terrorism is more well known than the Munich Massacre.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,307
    Toms said:

    I have two Transtec PCs. One is over 20 years old and has needed a memory upgrade and the other is about 15 years old, seriously hunky, and with a quad core processor. I do pretty big calculations on the latter, bomb-proof and unfazed. Oh, and I use a ten quid mobile. Am I missing something in life? Transtec seems to have ceased trading. Their stuff was too good I guess.
    For boffins they were an antidote to Apple, but Apple is savvy.

    The idea of a computer company going out of business because it’s stuff was too good is delightfully counter intuitive.
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    kle4 said:

    As predicted, he's loving that Netanyahu has gotten involved. Puts him on some strong territory from his perspective.
    Yes, that was my exact thinking reading his tweets. He is proper excited that he gets to ‘attack’ him. And now, he is trying to shift this away from the Munich Massacre Wreath story onto the Israel/Palestine conflict.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,307
    Help me out here. Something like 2 wrongs don’t make a right?
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    numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 5,463
    Sandpit said:

    Corbyn looks like being in serious trouble now, do Labour MPs have enough of a backbone to start resigning the whip?

    I still remain convinced that Corbyn will only go when he wants to go. Unfortunately.
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    TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    edited August 2018
    DavidL said:

    Toms said:

    I have two Transtec PCs. One is over 20 years old and has needed a memory upgrade and the other is about 15 years old, seriously hunky, and with a quad core processor. I do pretty big calculations on the latter, bomb-proof and unfazed. Oh, and I use a ten quid mobile. Am I missing something in life? Transtec seems to have ceased trading. Their stuff was too good I guess.
    For boffins they were an antidote to Apple, but Apple is savvy.

    The idea of a computer company going out of business because it’s stuff was too good is delightfully counter intuitive.
    Heh. It all depends on one's definition of "goodness" (see Prof Joad) . I suspect that my definition may be out of phase with the majority.
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    grabcocquegrabcocque Posts: 4,234
    edited August 2018
    Okay so Benjamin Netanyahu are shading each other off on Twitter

    Okay 2018 you've jumped the shark. This is just too fucking stupid even for me.
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    Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981

    kle4 said:

    Ishmael_Z said:
    More interesting is that the internet is starting to really take the piss out of his lame excuses. There's not much way back for a politician once people start taking the piss.

    I remember when Ed Miliband lost the Mock The Week panel. He never recovered.
    Starting? Corbyn got mocked and taken the piss out of (as did Momentum, Owen Jones et al) from 2015-17. This certainly isn’t new for him.
    Indeed. I think perhaps starting out mocked as a no hoper means he seems inured to a change in the media tide against him, to some extent at least. While Ed M was undoubtedly mocked early on too he was always credible and it did seem notable that he was still mocked throughout. He had supporters, of course, but he didn't have the unbending fury of a mass of supporters to fall back on.

    Corbyn really is very Trump like in a lot of ways when it comes to his base, despite his pitch being different and personally being a polite man. And like Trump it doesn't matter that the bits of the internet that already didn't like him still don't like him.

    That said, I do detect marginal shifts, for example how because of Hodge there are some who now directly call him an anti-semite, rather than couch it in terms of enabling or handling things poorly, and slightly more mockery of his excuses may be part of that. As we saw with the ram packed train incident, Corbyn is more than capable of spinning, obfuscating, dissembling, just like a normal politician.
    Oh yes, he’s definitely not the pure, saint like figure that his supporters make him out to be. Then again, outside of his hardcore loyalists I’m not sure whether he was ever seen as a shining beacon of honesty by the public. Perhaps during the election, maybe.

    In terms of a shift, I’ve seen people who were never really keen on him simply become more negative about him. It feels at this point everyone has already made up their mind about Corbyn.

    What I’m more intrigued by is the idea this story is some kind of tipping point. Corbyn’s association with terrorists is not a new thing. We already saw him with Gerry Adams and know his attitude towards the IRA. And IRA terrorism is more well known than the Munich Massacre.
    Well, it was up to now. I was just too young to be aware of the Munich massacre at the time, and it's only today that I have learnt how horrible it was. This may cause people to think a bit more about what Corbyn's friends actually get up to.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,775

    kle4 said:

    As predicted, he's loving that Netanyahu has gotten involved. Puts him on some strong territory from his perspective.
    Yes, that was my exact thinking reading his tweets. He is proper excited that he gets to ‘attack’ him. And now, he is trying to shift this away from the Munich Massacre Wreath story onto the Israel/Palestine conflict.
    And attempts to talk about the former will be framed as only existing because of his thoughts on the latter. Tipping point? People are forgetting what season it is.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,898
    edited August 2018
    Ishmael_Z said:

    Sandpit said:

    Great piece Ms @Cyclefree. When the instinct of an institution is to immediately try and cover up rather than apologise and learn from mistakes, then the institution itself becomes devalued over time. The covering up often works for a while, but eventually the dam bursts and the consequences are usually more serious than if the original misdemeanours were dealt with properly.

    (Whenever this subject comes up I think of Tim Minchin’s rather rude “Pope Song”, which uses some very bad but entirely justifiable language in its criticism of the Catholic Church).

    iPad - wait for the new release next month and see if you can pick up last year’s models cheaper. The newer ones are noticeably faster than the old ones, go to a store and have a play with a display model. Also, if you’re travelling get one duty free (but not at UK end, they mark them up massively).

    "The truth will out" is a nailed-on fallacy (not sure what it's called) because the evidence for it is the numerous occasions when the truth does out whereas the evidence against it is ex hypothesi unavailable. It may well be that covering up is the best policy and works a treat in most cases, and is well worth the (counterfactual and unprovable) additional trouble caused by the fact of the cover-up, in the rare instances where it fails.
    Yes, there’s many Jimmy Saviles covered up for every Harvey Weinstein that gets exposed, so it’s easier as an organisation to do the simple thing to make a problem go away than the right thing. When these things do blow up, the cumulative damage is often existential for the organisation itself (Catholic church, Miramax etc.).

    Political parties suffer from the same problem. If Ken Livingstone, Chris Rennard and others had been publically and permanently expelled from their parties at the first sign of trouble, it would have been much easier to deal with in the long term.
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    Ishmael_Z said:

    kle4 said:

    Ishmael_Z said:
    More interesting is that the internet is starting to really take the piss out of his lame excuses. There's not much way back for a politician once people start taking the piss.

    I remember when Ed Miliband lost the Mock The Week panel. He never recovered.
    Starting? Corbyn got mocked and taken the piss out of (as did Momentum, Owen Jones et al) from 2015-17. This certainly isn’t new for him.
    Indeed. I think perhaps starting out mocked as a no hoper means he seems inured to a change in the media tide against him, to some extent at least. While Ed M was undoubtedly mocked early on too he was always credible and it did seem notable that he was still mocked throughout. He had supporters, of course, but he didn't have the unbending fury of a mass of supporters to fall back on.

    Corbyn really is very Trump like in a lot of ways when it comes to his base, despite his pitch being different and personally being a polite man. And like Trump it doesn't matter that the bits of the internet that already didn't like him still don't like him.

    snip
    Oh yes, he’s definitely not the pure, saint like figure that his supporters make him out to be. Then again, outside of his hardcore loyalists I’m not sure whether he was ever seen as a shining beacon of honesty by the public. Perhaps during the election, maybe.

    In terms of a shift, I’ve seen people who were never really keen on him simply become more negative about him. It feels at this point everyone has already made up their mind about Corbyn.

    What I’m more intrigued by is the idea this story is some kind of tipping point. Corbyn’s association with terrorists is not a new thing. We already saw him with Gerry Adams and know his attitude towards the IRA. And IRA terrorism is more well known than the Munich Massacre.
    Well, it was up to now. I was just too young to be aware of the Munich massacre at the time, and it's only today that I have learnt how horrible it was. This may cause people to think a bit more about what Corbyn's friends actually get up to.
    Maybe, but all the the IRA headlines didn’t get many of those of my generation to start reading up on Gerry Adams and the IRA and to start reconsidering their support for Corbyn given who he associates with, so....
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    DavidL said:

    Help me out here. Something like 2 wrongs don’t make a right?
    He’s deflecting, hoping to shift the story to more comfortable territory for him.
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    NorthofStokeNorthofStoke Posts: 1,758
    edited August 2018
    What I’m more intrigued by is the idea this story is some kind of tipping point. Corbyn’s association with terrorists is not a new thing. We already saw him with Gerry Adams and know his attitude towards the IRA. And IRA terrorism is more well known than the Munich Massacre.

    This is more recent and I think that some younger folk bought the BS about helping the Irish peace process. I think it might be the comic denial that tips things this time.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,775
    edited August 2018


    This is more recent and I think that some younger folk bought the BS about helping the Irish peace process. I think it might be the comic denial that tips things this time.

    Never underestimate the ability of people to seamlessly switch to another partisan defence once the original stance becomes untenable. That, at least, is one thing far from unique to Corbyn's people.
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,205
    edited August 2018
    felix said:

    Corbyn taking on Israeli PM saying his accusations are false.

    Ramping up the story

    Corbyn is in his comfort zone at last attacking Israel.
    Of course. And he makes a good point about the recent law. But it does mean that he has now contradicted himself. He said that he did lay a wreath at their graves; now he's saying that he didn't.

    Also, if he stands in solidarity with Israeli Jews protesting against this law, I wonder whether he is willing to go to Israel and talk with them. He's been invited several times to visit Israel but has always refused to go.

    A few weeks back I said that the risk for Labour was if Corbyn was seen to be much more closely associated with someone guilty of terrorism here in the UK or in Europe or someone responsible for inciting it. Then the issue of his past associations with people guilty of terrorism decades ago would become real for people now. We have had this story which may not shift the dial because it is linked with Israel and relates to an atrocity few can remember.

    But what else might be out there? That is what would worry me were I a Labour strategist.

    What feels - possibly - different is that these stories from the past are coming out now and there seem to be a lot of them. Is it because there is nothing else to talk about? Is someone releasing them? Or are papers emboldened because Mrs Hodge called him a racist and anti-semite and got away with it?

    Incidentally Peter Hennessey interviewed Mrs H for his series. There clearly is history between her and Corbyn - not related to anti-semitism particularly - but to the 1980's and Militant tendency and what she describes as Trots like him, Ken and McDonnell seeking to destroy Labour. The other thing I learnt about her is that her parents fled Germany and Austria and went to live in Egypt, where she was born. Then rising anti-semitism there forced them to flee to England. She might well feel mightily pissed off at a leader opining on Middle Eastern politics without having the first clue about it.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,307
    Sandpit said:

    Great piece Ms @Cyclefree. When the instinct of an institution is to immediately try and cover up rather than apologise and learn from mistakes, then the institution itself becomes devalued over time. The covering up often works for a while, but eventually the dam bursts and the consequences are usually more serious than if the original misdemeanours were dealt with properly.

    (Whenever this subject comes up I think of Tim Minchin’s rather rude “Pope Song”, which uses some very bad but entirely justifiable language in its criticism of the Catholic Church).

    iPad - wait for the new release next month and see if you can pick up last year’s models cheaper. The newer ones are noticeably faster than the old ones, go to a store and have a play with a display model. Also, if you’re travelling get one duty free (but not at UK end, they mark them up massively).

    I’m a great fan of Tim Minchen but I don’t think that he matched The Vatican Rag. When I was a child my dad used to put me out of the room when that came on his tapes. Much more innocent times of course.
    vatican rag youtube
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,775
    Cyclefree said:

    felix said:

    Corbyn taking on Israeli PM saying his accusations are false.

    Ramping up the story

    Corbyn is in his comfort zone at last attacking Israel.
    What feels - possibly - different is that these stories from the past are coming out now and there seem to be a lot of them. Is it because there is nothing else to talk about? Is someone releasing them? Or are papers emboldened because Mrs Hodge called him a racist and anti-semite and got away with it.
    Combination of both, I imagine. If it leads to a position change form him, for instance on the anti semitism definition stuff, it provides solace to those in the party who despair of him but don't want to leave, makes them think they are having an impact. Then things go back to normal.
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    kle4 said:


    This is more recent and I think that some younger folk bought the BS about helping the Irish peace process. I think it might be the comic denial that tips things this time.

    Never underestimate the ability of people to seamlessly switch to another partisan defence once the original stance becomes untenable. That, at least, is one thing far from unique to Corbyn's people.
    +1.


    Also ( in regard to North’s post) I don’t think Corbyn’s Munich Massacre Wreath laying is more recent than his association with Adams. He was associating with Adams as recently as 2015, and has been endorsed by Adams within the last year or so. That’s more recent than him laying the wreath, which happened in 2014. So Corbyn’s friendship with Adams certainly isn’t a past thing.
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,205
    kle4 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    felix said:

    Corbyn taking on Israeli PM saying his accusations are false.

    Ramping up the story

    Corbyn is in his comfort zone at last attacking Israel.
    What feels - possibly - different is that these stories from the past are coming out now and there seem to be a lot of them. Is it because there is nothing else to talk about? Is someone releasing them? Or are papers emboldened because Mrs Hodge called him a racist and anti-semite and got away with it.
    Combination of both, I imagine. If it leads to a position change form him, for instance on the anti semitism definition stuff, it provides solace to those in the party who despair of him but don't want to leave, makes them think they are having an impact. Then things go back to normal.
    If Israel had any PR sense they would invite him now - on Twitter - to come and talk to a range of groups on the Israeli side - from those protesting against this new law to settlers to anyone in between and Israeli Arabs and Druze, anyone - in exactly the same way he talks to a whole range of Palestinian groups in order, in his words "to engage in debate" and try to get "peace". And I would use his precise words on the public invite.

    And see how he responds to that on Twitter.
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    oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,831
    Cyclefree said:

    kle4 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    felix said:

    Corbyn taking on Israeli PM saying his accusations are false.

    Ramping up the story

    Corbyn is in his comfort zone at last attacking Israel.
    What feels - possibly - different is that these stories from the past are coming out now and there seem to be a lot of them. Is it because there is nothing else to talk about? Is someone releasing them? Or are papers emboldened because Mrs Hodge called him a racist and anti-semite and got away with it.
    Combination of both, I imagine. If it leads to a position change form him, for instance on the anti semitism definition stuff, it provides solace to those in the party who despair of him but don't want to leave, makes them think they are having an impact. Then things go back to normal.
    If Israel had any PR sense they would invite him now - on Twitter - to come and talk to a range of groups on the Israeli side - from those protesting against this new law to settlers to anyone in between and Israeli Arabs and Druze, anyone - in exactly the same way he talks to a whole range of Palestinian groups in order, in his words "to engage in debate" and try to get "peace". And I would use his precise words on the public invite.

    And see how he responds to that on Twitter.
    He would turn it down. Can't negotiate with apartheid supporters.
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    YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382
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    Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981

    kle4 said:


    This is more recent and I think that some younger folk bought the BS about helping the Irish peace process. I think it might be the comic denial that tips things this time.

    Never underestimate the ability of people to seamlessly switch to another partisan defence once the original stance becomes untenable. That, at least, is one thing far from unique to Corbyn's people.
    +1.


    Also ( in regard to North’s post) I don’t think Corbyn’s Munich Massacre Wreath laying is more recent than his association with Adams. He was associating with Adams as recently as 2015, and has been endorsed by Adams within the last year or so. That’s more recent than him laying the wreath, which happened in 2014. So Corbyn’s friendship with Adams certainly isn’t a past thing.
    Sure. But Adams is so in the clear,he has met HM the Queen. And there's a difference between the generic concept "IRA terrorism" and the very specific and vivid account of the Munich thing which I've just read. Not saying it will make a difference, but it might.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,071
    Yorkcity said:
    All this has brought to light some quite recent moral gymnastics from Corbyn's circle, like this article published by Stop The War in 2014 that says the Munich "hostages were killed accidentally by the attackers".

    https://web.archive.org/web/20150924090937/http://stopwar.org.uk/news/the-missing-facts-of-the-1972-munich-olympics-massacre-israelis-weren-t-the-only-victims
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,898
    edited August 2018
    DavidL said:

    Sandpit said:

    Great piece Ms @Cyclefree. When the instinct of an institution is to immediately try and cover up rather than apologise and learn from mistakes, then the institution itself becomes devalued over time. The covering up often works for a while, but eventually the dam bursts and the consequences are usually more serious than if the original misdemeanours were dealt with properly.

    (Whenever this subject comes up I think of Tim Minchin’s rather rude “Pope Song”, which uses some very bad but entirely justifiable language in its criticism of the Catholic Church).

    iPad - wait for the new release next month and see if you can pick up last year’s models cheaper. The newer ones are noticeably faster than the old ones, go to a store and have a play with a display model. Also, if you’re travelling get one duty free (but not at UK end, they mark them up massively).

    I’m a great fan of Tim Minchen but I don’t think that he matched The Vatican Rag. When I was a child my dad used to put me out of the room when that came on his tapes. Much more innocent times of course.
    vatican rag youtube
    Tom Lehrer? Not heard that before (I’m a little younger!) but very good and with fewer F-bombs than the Pope Song ;)
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,205

    Cyclefree said:

    kle4 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    felix said:

    Corbyn taking on Israeli PM saying his accusations are false.

    Ramping up the story

    Corbyn is in his comfort zone at last attacking Israel.
    What feels - possibly - different is that these stories from the past are coming out now and there seem to be a lot of them. Is it because there is nothing else to talk about? Is someone releasing them? Or are papers emboldened because Mrs Hodge called him a racist and anti-semite and got away with it.
    Combination of both, I imagine. If it leads to a position change form him, for instance on the anti semitism definition stuff, it provides solace to those in the party who despair of him but don't want to leave, makes them think they are having an impact. Then things go back to normal.
    If Israel had any PR sense they would invite him now - on Twitter - to come and talk to a range of groups on the Israeli side - from those protesting against this new law to settlers to anyone in between and Israeli Arabs and Druze, anyone - in exactly the same way he talks to a whole range of Palestinian groups in order, in his words "to engage in debate" and try to get "peace". And I would use his precise words on the public invite.

    And see how he responds to that on Twitter.
    He would turn it down. Can't negotiate with apartheid supporters.
    It would blow out of the water his claim made repeatedly - and by his supporters on here, including our own Mr Palmer - that he will talk to anyone in his search for peace. It puts him on the spot.
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