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  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,754
    It's just occurred to me that the one thing Trump and May have in common is their unbelievable tenacity and political resilience and ability to turn the tables just when you think they can't possibly survive any longer.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,654

    It's just occurred to me that the one thing Trump and May have in common is their unbelievable tenacity and political resilience and ability to turn the tables just when you think they can't possibly survive any longer.

    They are very, very lucky in their opponents.

    What Trump has that May doesn't is a convinced and unyielding support-base. That actually makes May's survival even more noteworthy.

  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 4,780
    AndyJS said:

    The latest YouGov poll has UKIP on 6%, their highest rating for a long time.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election#2018

    The 6% is their highest since May 16th 2017. As was the 5% they achieved in the previous YouGov.
  • El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 4,239

    AndyJS said:

    The latest YouGov poll has UKIP on 6%, their highest rating for a long time.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election#2018

    The 6% is their highest since May 16th 2017. As was the 5% they achieved in the previous YouGov.
    That's people voting for the idea of UKIP, though, not for the party itself, which to all extents and purposes has ceased to exist.

    There's a fairly low ceiling on the vote that a non-existent party can get. Under 10%, I'd say.
  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,366
    Mr Observer,

    "The Sun supports Trump. Or did."

    And it told the total truth then?

    He's certainly a one-off. A total stereotype of a brash, brainless Yank.

  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,394

    CD13 said:

    At least Trump is never dull.

    And one things he's got right is his opinion of journalist. He certainly doesn't treat them with the respect they think they deserve. According to journalists, they are valiant seekers after truth. More like ''When the truth becomes legend, print the legend.''

    Trump seems bothered that the Sun only printed the eye-catching insults rather than his more-rounded critique, and totally omitted the nice things he said. He surely can't be that naïve? It's all about ratings and sales and they all have an angle - a bit like politicians.

    The Sun put out a recording of the interview. Trump is, of course, lying. That is what he does.



    You surprise me.
  • AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900
    CD13 said:

    When Reagan was first elected, we thought he was totally gormless too. I wonder if he was just a better actor?

    Reagan was fairly sharp , if you look back to some debates and interviews from the 70s. Age caught up with him in office though - he really shouldn't have had a second term.

    Trump gives some of the same impression - if you go back to the 80s/90s, in media interviews he could follow a thread and make an argument. Now it's just a word salad whenever he goes off script.

  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,293
    So after her presser with Donald The Good Ship May sails on serenely... :D
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,307
    CD13 said:

    At least Trump is never dull.

    And one things he's got right is his opinion of journalists...

    What, that they are 'enemies of the people' ?

    His opinion of journalists is that they should report only what he wants them to.

  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,162
    edited July 2018
    GIN1138 said:

    So after her presser with Donald The Good Ship May sails on serenely... :D

    You need her for Brexit - if she goes chaos will follow and the HOC are more than likely to delay or stop it
  • Carolus_RexCarolus_Rex Posts: 1,414

    RobD said:

    Amateur psychiatrist time: Trump is 50% narcissistic personality disorder and 50% Alzheimers dementia.

    I know we no long need experts, but ....

    "Gartner, a psychologist in private practice in Baltimore and New York, author of a psychobiography of Bill Clinton, and a former instructor in psychiatry at Johns Hopkins, contends that Trump “manifestly” meets the DSM-published criteria for at least three personality disorders: narcissistic personality disorder (NPD), antisocial personality disorder, and paranoid personality disorder. They are a “toxic brew” that in his view not only make Trump “dangerous” but add up to “malignant narcissism,” not a diagnosis formalized in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual but a label coined by the German-born psychologist and psychoanalyst Erich Fromm."

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/brainstorm/201701/shrinks-battle-over-diagnosing-donald-trump
    Hm, I thought diagnosis at a distance was frowned upon?
    Perhaps, but can 18,000 shrinks all be wrong?
    To quote Section 7.3 of the APA’s Principles of Medical Ethics:

    On occasion psychiatrists are asked for an opinion about an individual who is in the light of public attention or who has disclosed information about himself/herself through public media. In such circumstances, a psychiatrist may share with the public his or her expertise about psychiatric issues in general. However, it is unethical for a psychiatrist to offer a professional opinion unless he or she has conducted an examination and has been granted proper authorization for such a statement.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,678
    Sean_F said:

    CD13 said:

    At least Trump is never dull.

    And one things he's got right is his opinion of journalist. He certainly doesn't treat them with the respect they think they deserve. According to journalists, they are valiant seekers after truth. More like ''When the truth becomes legend, print the legend.''

    Trump seems bothered that the Sun only printed the eye-catching insults rather than his more-rounded critique, and totally omitted the nice things he said. He surely can't be that naïve? It's all about ratings and sales and they all have an angle - a bit like politicians.

    The Sun put out a recording of the interview. Trump is, of course, lying. That is what he does.



    You surprise me.
    Fake, Fake News. Or News as it used to be known.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Nigelb said:

    CD13 said:

    At least Trump is never dull.

    And one things he's got right is his opinion of journalists...

    What, that they are 'enemies of the people' ?

    His opinion of journalists is that they should report only what he wants them to.

    Doesn't he just play them at their own game ?
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,417
    Nigelb said:

    CD13 said:

    At least Trump is never dull.

    And one things he's got right is his opinion of journalists...

    What, that they are 'enemies of the people' ?

    His opinion of journalists is that they should report only what he wants them to.

    sounds like Ed Miliband
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    edited July 2018
    Any normal politician in any normal time would be absolutely shredded over the false claim that they predicted Brexit when opening their golf resort, when their own tweets at the time prove that they opened the resort on the day after the Brexit vote.

    I know that brazen dishonesty predated Trump, but his ability to survive being caught in his lies is unsurpassed and I fear that it is establishing a new norm where people's tolerance for untruth is much increased.

    Edit: I mean, apart from anything else, it's just pathetic. So very lame.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited July 2018

    Any normal politician in any normal time would be absolutely shredded over the false claim that they predicted Brexit when opening their golf resort, when their own tweets at the time prove that they opened the resort on the day after the Brexit vote.

    I know that brazen dishonesty predated Trump, but his ability to survive being caught in his lies is unsurpassed and I fear that it is establishing a new norm where people's tolerance for untruth is much increased.

    The mainstream media can't escape blame for the fake news epidemic. For instance as we know there were certain news stories that they steadfastly refused to report on for many years because they found the facts inconvenient.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981

    RobD said:

    Amateur psychiatrist time: Trump is 50% narcissistic personality disorder and 50% Alzheimers dementia.

    I know we no long need experts, but ....

    "Gartner, a psychologist in private practice in Baltimore and New York, author of a psychobiography of Bill Clinton, and a former instructor in psychiatry at Johns Hopkins, contends that Trump “manifestly” meets the DSM-published criteria for at least three personality disorders: narcissistic personality disorder (NPD), antisocial personality disorder, and paranoid personality disorder. They are a “toxic brew” that in his view not only make Trump “dangerous” but add up to “malignant narcissism,” not a diagnosis formalized in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual but a label coined by the German-born psychologist and psychoanalyst Erich Fromm."

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/brainstorm/201701/shrinks-battle-over-diagnosing-donald-trump
    Hm, I thought diagnosis at a distance was frowned upon?
    Perhaps, but can 18,000 shrinks all be wrong?
    "Shrinks". Eeeuw.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,293
    edited July 2018

    GIN1138 said:

    So after her presser with Donald The Good Ship May sails on serenely... :D

    You need her for Brexit - if she goes chaos will follow and the HOC are more than likely to delay or stop it
    Question is would Theresa's Brexit be better than Remaining from a Brexiteer point of view?
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    RobD said:

    Amateur psychiatrist time: Trump is 50% narcissistic personality disorder and 50% Alzheimers dementia.

    I know we no long need experts, but ....

    "Gartner, a psychologist in private practice in Baltimore and New York, author of a psychobiography of Bill Clinton, and a former instructor in psychiatry at Johns Hopkins, contends that Trump “manifestly” meets the DSM-published criteria for at least three personality disorders: narcissistic personality disorder (NPD), antisocial personality disorder, and paranoid personality disorder. They are a “toxic brew” that in his view not only make Trump “dangerous” but add up to “malignant narcissism,” not a diagnosis formalized in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual but a label coined by the German-born psychologist and psychoanalyst Erich Fromm."

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/brainstorm/201701/shrinks-battle-over-diagnosing-donald-trump
    Hm, I thought diagnosis at a distance was frowned upon?
    Perhaps, but can 18,000 shrinks all be wrong?
    To quote Section 7.3 of the APA’s Principles of Medical Ethics:

    On occasion psychiatrists are asked for an opinion about an individual who is in the light of public attention or who has disclosed information about himself/herself through public media. In such circumstances, a psychiatrist may share with the public his or her expertise about psychiatric issues in general. However, it is unethical for a psychiatrist to offer a professional opinion unless he or she has conducted an examination and has been granted proper authorization for such a statement.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/14/opinion/an-eminent-psychiatrist-demurs-on-trumps-mental-state.html
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,898
    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    So after her presser with Donald The Good Ship May sails on serenely... :D

    You need her for Brexit - if she goes chaos will follow and the HOC are more than likely to delay or stop it
    Question is would Theresa's Brexit be better than Remaining from a Brexiteer point of view?
    Yes. Pretty much anything is better than remaining.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,044
    The last American to rock up at Windsor Castle married a Prince.

    Beat that Donald!
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,394
    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    So after her presser with Donald The Good Ship May sails on serenely... :D

    You need her for Brexit - if she goes chaos will follow and the HOC are more than likely to delay or stop it
    Question is would Theresa's Brexit be better than Remaining from a Brexiteer point of view?
    Certainly.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,162
    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    So after her presser with Donald The Good Ship May sails on serenely... :D

    You need her for Brexit - if she goes chaos will follow and the HOC are more than likely to delay or stop it
    Question is would Theresa's Brexit be better than Remaining from a Brexiteer point of view?
    It is the only realistic Brexit on offer and of course the EU could cause problems but until then it needs to be given a chance.

    For me it is this deal or remain, nothing else
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,754
    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    So after her presser with Donald The Good Ship May sails on serenely... :D

    You need her for Brexit - if she goes chaos will follow and the HOC are more than likely to delay or stop it
    Question is would Theresa's Brexit be better than Remaining from a Brexiteer point of view?
    Does Theresa actually plan to implement her Brexit is the question? At the end of the press conference from Trump she said that while we have a seat at the EU table we can discuss the Nord Stream pipeline with them, but we're leaving. That can be read as indicating her determination to push on with Brexit, but also as laying the ground for an argument to stay.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    AndyJS said:

    Any normal politician in any normal time would be absolutely shredded over the false claim that they predicted Brexit when opening their golf resort, when their own tweets at the time prove that they opened the resort on the day after the Brexit vote.

    I know that brazen dishonesty predated Trump, but his ability to survive being caught in his lies is unsurpassed and I fear that it is establishing a new norm where people's tolerance for untruth is much increased.

    The mainstream media can't escape blame for the fake news epidemic. For instance as we know there were certain news stories that they steadfastly refused to report on for many years because they found the facts inconvenient.
    Owen Jones and Paul Mason are continually tweeting as to what the BBC etc should be reporting and suggesting they should never interview AFD or whoever they don't like.

    Trump is simply a mirror image of those goons.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,044
    DavidL said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    So after her presser with Donald The Good Ship May sails on serenely... :D

    You need her for Brexit - if she goes chaos will follow and the HOC are more than likely to delay or stop it
    Question is would Theresa's Brexit be better than Remaining from a Brexiteer point of view?
    Yes. Pretty much anything is better than remaining.
    Even if we stay in the Single Market and Customs Union, and have to retain FoM?
  • AnazinaAnazina Posts: 3,487
    DavidL said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    So after her presser with Donald The Good Ship May sails on serenely... :D

    You need her for Brexit - if she goes chaos will follow and the HOC are more than likely to delay or stop it
    Question is would Theresa's Brexit be better than Remaining from a Brexiteer point of view?
    Pretty much anything is better than remaining.
    That is provably false. What a silly notion.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,162

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    So after her presser with Donald The Good Ship May sails on serenely... :D

    You need her for Brexit - if she goes chaos will follow and the HOC are more than likely to delay or stop it
    Question is would Theresa's Brexit be better than Remaining from a Brexiteer point of view?
    Does Theresa actually plan to implement her Brexit is the question? At the end of the press conference from Trump she said that while we have a seat at the EU table we can discuss the Nord Stream pipeline with them, but we're leaving. That can be read as indicating her determination to push on with Brexit, but also as laying the ground for an argument to stay.
    That argument only comes if and when Chequers fails
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,898

    DavidL said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    So after her presser with Donald The Good Ship May sails on serenely... :D

    You need her for Brexit - if she goes chaos will follow and the HOC are more than likely to delay or stop it
    Question is would Theresa's Brexit be better than Remaining from a Brexiteer point of view?
    Yes. Pretty much anything is better than remaining.
    Even if we stay in the Single Market and Customs Union, and have to retain FoM?
    That is extremely undesirable. But we must leave.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    The last American to rock up at Windsor Castle married a Prince.

    Beat that Donald!

    Are there any princes available at present? A job for Andrew, perhaps.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,754

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    So after her presser with Donald The Good Ship May sails on serenely... :D

    You need her for Brexit - if she goes chaos will follow and the HOC are more than likely to delay or stop it
    Question is would Theresa's Brexit be better than Remaining from a Brexiteer point of view?
    Does Theresa actually plan to implement her Brexit is the question? At the end of the press conference from Trump she said that while we have a seat at the EU table we can discuss the Nord Stream pipeline with them, but we're leaving. That can be read as indicating her determination to push on with Brexit, but also as laying the ground for an argument to stay.
    That argument only comes if and when Chequers fails
    I still wouldn't put it past her to put that decision to the people. She would win a huge amount of respect and personal loyalty.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,898

    RobD said:

    Amateur psychiatrist time: Trump is 50% narcissistic personality disorder and 50% Alzheimers dementia.

    I know we no long need experts, but ....

    "Gartner, a psychologist in private practice in Baltimore and New York, author of a psychobiography of Bill Clinton, and a former instructor in psychiatry at Johns Hopkins, contends that Trump “manifestly” meets the DSM-published criteria for at least three personality disorders: narcissistic personality disorder (NPD), antisocial personality disorder, and paranoid personality disorder. They are a “toxic brew” that in his view not only make Trump “dangerous” but add up to “malignant narcissism,” not a diagnosis formalized in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual but a label coined by the German-born psychologist and psychoanalyst Erich Fromm."

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/brainstorm/201701/shrinks-battle-over-diagnosing-donald-trump
    Hm, I thought diagnosis at a distance was frowned upon?
    Perhaps, but can 18,000 shrinks all be wrong?
    To quote Section 7.3 of the APA’s Principles of Medical Ethics:

    On occasion psychiatrists are asked for an opinion about an individual who is in the light of public attention or who has disclosed information about himself/herself through public media. In such circumstances, a psychiatrist may share with the public his or her expertise about psychiatric issues in general. However, it is unethical for a psychiatrist to offer a professional opinion unless he or she has conducted an examination and has been granted proper authorization for such a statement.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/14/opinion/an-eminent-psychiatrist-demurs-on-trumps-mental-state.html
    That's rather good. It is indeed deeply insulting to the mentally ill to classify Trump as one of them.
  • grabcocquegrabcocque Posts: 4,234


    On occasion psychiatrists are asked for an opinion about an individual who is in the light of public attention or who has disclosed information about himself/herself through public media. In such circumstances, a psychiatrist may share with the public his or her expertise about psychiatric issues in general. However, it is unethical for a psychiatrist to offer a professional opinion unless he or she has conducted an examination and has been granted proper authorization for such a statement.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/14/opinion/an-eminent-psychiatrist-demurs-on-trumps-mental-state.html
    Quite right, of course. But I'm not bound by any medical ethics, so I can point out that Trump is a deranged narcissistic sociopath and showing early signs of dementia with a clear conscience.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,044
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    So after her presser with Donald The Good Ship May sails on serenely... :D

    You need her for Brexit - if she goes chaos will follow and the HOC are more than likely to delay or stop it
    Question is would Theresa's Brexit be better than Remaining from a Brexiteer point of view?
    Yes. Pretty much anything is better than remaining.
    Even if we stay in the Single Market and Customs Union, and have to retain FoM?
    That is extremely undesirable. But we must leave.
    I admire your certainty. I am beginning to wobble a bit that the terms of Brexit May is prepared to accept will be worse than Remain.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,044
    edited July 2018

    The last American to rock up at Windsor Castle married a Prince.

    Beat that Donald!

    Are there any princes available at present? A job for Andrew, perhaps.
    I think one of Andrew's daughters is still up for grabs.

    I guess as we are discussing Trump, I could have phrased that better!

    Edit: missed the T off Trump. Grabbing rump?!?
  • grabcocquegrabcocque Posts: 4,234


    I admire your certainty. I am beginning to wobble a bit that the terms of Brexit May is prepared to accept will be worse than Remain.

    Brexit means Brexit.

    The EU27 gets to decide what Brexit means.
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503

    DavidL said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    So after her presser with Donald The Good Ship May sails on serenely... :D

    You need her for Brexit - if she goes chaos will follow and the HOC are more than likely to delay or stop it
    Question is would Theresa's Brexit be better than Remaining from a Brexiteer point of view?
    Yes. Pretty much anything is better than remaining.
    Even if we stay in the Single Market and Customs Union, and have to retain FoM?
    I don't think I'm alone in wishing to be outside the political structures, but retain the economic benefits of membership. That makes me an ultra-cakeist, but if by some miracle the EU offered it, I'd be happy enough I suppose :).
  • El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 4,239

    I admire your certainty. I am beginning to wobble a bit that the terms of Brexit May is prepared to accept will be worse than Remain.

    I find it interesting that there's a lot of wobble on PB in the past few days. I wonder how widely this is reflected in the general population.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,898

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    So after her presser with Donald The Good Ship May sails on serenely... :D

    You need her for Brexit - if she goes chaos will follow and the HOC are more than likely to delay or stop it
    Question is would Theresa's Brexit be better than Remaining from a Brexiteer point of view?
    Yes. Pretty much anything is better than remaining.
    Even if we stay in the Single Market and Customs Union, and have to retain FoM?
    That is extremely undesirable. But we must leave.
    I admire your certainty. I am beginning to wobble a bit that the terms of Brexit May is prepared to accept will be worse than Remain.
    Once we are out we are out. Deals can be renegotiated from outside. We can give notice and change them. If we give up now and remain we are stuck in the EU forever with no hope of ever escaping.

    Obviously we want a deal that makes sense for the UK and which can last for a while. I really don't like aspects of May's proposal (I do, in fairness, like quite a lot of it). But I am willing to support and accept it so that we leave.

    Brexiteers who oppose her deal really need to make the case that they can get a better deal. Not that they could have got a better deal if the negotiations had been carried on with any competence over the last 18 months, but that we can now in our current position get a better deal. They have failed to make that case. In its absence they should support May until the deal is done.
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143

    I admire your certainty. I am beginning to wobble a bit that the terms of Brexit May is prepared to accept will be worse than Remain.

    I find it interesting that there's a lot of wobble on PB in the past few days. I wonder how widely this is reflected in the general population.
    I suspect that people on PB pay a lot more attention to the day-to-day detail than the general population, and so you are likely to have more potential to react to that detail. Oh the other hand, you might expect PB to attract a disproportionate number of partisans on either side of the debate, who would tend to be less likely to wobble.

    I think we've seen a bit of both. I suspect that the general population is mostly still enjoying the sunshine while it lasts.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,249
    John_M said:

    DavidL said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    So after her presser with Donald The Good Ship May sails on serenely... :D

    You need her for Brexit - if she goes chaos will follow and the HOC are more than likely to delay or stop it
    Question is would Theresa's Brexit be better than Remaining from a Brexiteer point of view?
    Yes. Pretty much anything is better than remaining.
    Even if we stay in the Single Market and Customs Union, and have to retain FoM?
    I don't think I'm alone in wishing to be outside the political structures, but retain the economic benefits of membership. That makes me an ultra-cakeist, but if by some miracle the EU offered it, I'd be happy enough I suppose :).
    That's hardly a unique position: it's what the EFTA/EEA leavers wanted, it's what SeanT wanted.

    I would like a slightly looser relationship - broadly what the EU has with the Switzerland. Essentially, I would like to be able to use an NHS Health Insurance charge, and an absence of benefits, as a way of limiting low skilled immigration to the UK,

    But I also think that, we as a country, have unfortunately used the excuse of EU membership to avoid answering hard questions about our education and benefits systems. Switzerland and Germany do an incredible job of ensuring the employability of all their citizens. We do not. Low skilled immigration is a symptom of that failure.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362


    I admire your certainty. I am beginning to wobble a bit that the terms of Brexit May is prepared to accept will be worse than Remain.

    Brexit means Brexit.

    The EU27 gets to decide what Brexit means.
    And then Theresa can do what she's been telling us - a no deal is better than a bad deal.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    O/T

    If the Isner/Anderson match is still going on at say 5:30pm I wonder if they'll move the Nadal/Djokovic match to Number One?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,898

    I admire your certainty. I am beginning to wobble a bit that the terms of Brexit May is prepared to accept will be worse than Remain.

    I find it interesting that there's a lot of wobble on PB in the past few days. I wonder how widely this is reflected in the general population.
    I suspect that people on PB pay a lot more attention to the day-to-day detail than the general population, and so you are likely to have more potential to react to that detail. Oh the other hand, you might expect PB to attract a disproportionate number of partisans on either side of the debate, who would tend to be less likely to wobble.

    I think we've seen a bit of both. I suspect that the general population is mostly still enjoying the sunshine while it lasts.
    We've got slightly weird spheroids of that dihydrogen oxide in the air in Edinburgh today. Rain, I think we used to call it.
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503

    I admire your certainty. I am beginning to wobble a bit that the terms of Brexit May is prepared to accept will be worse than Remain.

    I find it interesting that there's a lot of wobble on PB in the past few days. I wonder how widely this is reflected in the general population.
    It's understandable. 'Brexit means Brexit' is all very well in the abstract, but once reified, people are finding it a bit of a curate's egg.
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    Anazina said:

    TGOHF said:

    Trump is absolute box office . Tremendous entertainment.

    Add in the joy he is bringing to those who get to show off in London for an afternoon and it's the event of the year.


    I imagine you would vote for him, given the chance. You views seem to align nicely with his.
    +1. Pretty much.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,307
    AndyJS said:

    Any normal politician in any normal time would be absolutely shredded over the false claim that they predicted Brexit when opening their golf resort, when their own tweets at the time prove that they opened the resort on the day after the Brexit vote.

    I know that brazen dishonesty predated Trump, but his ability to survive being caught in his lies is unsurpassed and I fear that it is establishing a new norm where people's tolerance for untruth is much increased.

    The mainstream media can't escape blame for the fake news epidemic. For instance as we know there were certain news stories that they steadfastly refused to report on for many years because they found the facts inconvenient.
    We also know that those stories would not have come to public attention had it not been for the efforts of determined journalists (for example, at the Times).
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    edited July 2018

    Anazina said:

    TGOHF said:

    Trump is absolute box office . Tremendous entertainment.

    Add in the joy he is bringing to those who get to show off in London for an afternoon and it's the event of the year.


    I imagine you would vote for him, given the chance. You views seem to align nicely with his.
    +1. Pretty much.
    You would vote for Trump ;-)
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    edited July 2018
    I must say, amongst the weird things that some people voluntarily do in their spare time, such as trainspotting or watching dressage, going on an anti-Trump demonstration in London or (even odder) Belfast strikes me as one of the weirdest. What on earth is the purpose of it?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,701
    AndyJS said:

    O/T

    If the Isner/Anderson match is still going on at say 5:30pm I wonder if they'll move the Nadal/Djokovic match to Number One?

    Not going to happen.

    1) The tickets are for both semis

    2) Play at centre court can continue until 11pm.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,898

    I must say, amongst the weird things that some people voluntarily do in their spare time, such as trainspotting or watching dressage, going on an anti-Trump demonstration in London or (even odder) Belfast strikes me as one of the weirdest. What on earth is the purpose of it?

    Virtue signalling.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,307
    Counting Trump's lies is a pretty futile exercise. There are simply too many of them.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,701

    I must say, amongst the weird things that some people voluntarily do in their spare time, such as trainspotting or watching dressage, going on an anti-Trump demonstration in London or (even odder) Belfast strikes me as one of the weirdest. What on earth is the purpose of it?

    So we can get very good posters/signs.

    https://twitter.com/TomPowdrill/status/1017782993744809984
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,249
    Sean_F said:

    CD13 said:

    At least Trump is never dull.

    And one things he's got right is his opinion of journalist. He certainly doesn't treat them with the respect they think they deserve. According to journalists, they are valiant seekers after truth. More like ''When the truth becomes legend, print the legend.''

    Trump seems bothered that the Sun only printed the eye-catching insults rather than his more-rounded critique, and totally omitted the nice things he said. He surely can't be that naïve? It's all about ratings and sales and they all have an angle - a bit like politicians.

    The Sun put out a recording of the interview. Trump is, of course, lying. That is what he does.



    You surprise me.
    I think Donald Trump is terrible for our political discourse. We all accuse Tony Blair of lying and dissembling (well, because he did), but he never had the brazen disregard for the truth Trump does.

    My wife accuses all politicians of being liars. I defend them on the basis that, no matter whether you agree with them or not, by and large they are people working for the better of the country. Donald Trump makes it very hard to refute the accusation of rampant dishonesty, and I think that worsens our views of all politicians, undermining our democracy and our careful built institutions.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    DavidL said:

    We've got slightly weird spheroids of that dihydrogen oxide in the air in Edinburgh today. Rain, I think we used to call it.

    I am heading for an outdoor event this evening. As is a thunderstorm.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,394

    I must say, amongst the weird things that some people voluntarily do in their spare time, such as trainspotting or watching dressage, going on an anti-Trump demonstration in London or (even odder) Belfast strikes me as one of the weirdest. What on earth is the purpose of it?

    Or going on a pro-Trump demonstration.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,898
    rcs1000 said:

    Sean_F said:

    CD13 said:

    At least Trump is never dull.

    And one things he's got right is his opinion of journalist. He certainly doesn't treat them with the respect they think they deserve. According to journalists, they are valiant seekers after truth. More like ''When the truth becomes legend, print the legend.''

    Trump seems bothered that the Sun only printed the eye-catching insults rather than his more-rounded critique, and totally omitted the nice things he said. He surely can't be that naïve? It's all about ratings and sales and they all have an angle - a bit like politicians.

    The Sun put out a recording of the interview. Trump is, of course, lying. That is what he does.



    You surprise me.
    I think Donald Trump is terrible for our political discourse. We all accuse Tony Blair of lying and dissembling (well, because he did), but he never had the brazen disregard for the truth Trump does.

    My wife accuses all politicians of being liars. I defend them on the basis that, no matter whether you agree with them or not, by and large they are people working for the better of the country. Donald Trump makes it very hard to refute the accusation of rampant dishonesty, and I think that worsens our views of all politicians, undermining our democracy and our careful built institutions.
    Spot on.
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830

    Anazina said:

    TGOHF said:

    Trump is absolute box office . Tremendous entertainment.

    Add in the joy he is bringing to those who get to show off in London for an afternoon and it's the event of the year.


    I imagine you would vote for him, given the chance. You views seem to align nicely with his.
    +1. Pretty much.
    You would vote for Trump ;-)
    Nope. But I think who Anazina quoted would though.

    Didn’t see the presser, but apparently he was bigging up Boris even then. I don’t see how anyone can claim that her and Trump have a ‘connection’ or that this is a triumph for May after the last 24 hours.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,898
    Scott_P said:

    DavidL said:

    We've got slightly weird spheroids of that dihydrogen oxide in the air in Edinburgh today. Rain, I think we used to call it.

    I am heading for an outdoor event this evening. As is a thunderstorm.
    I have an ODI on Tuesday. I am going to be seriously disappointed if after all this glorious weather we are sitting there waiting for the covers to come off.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,701
    DavidL said:

    Scott_P said:

    DavidL said:

    We've got slightly weird spheroids of that dihydrogen oxide in the air in Edinburgh today. Rain, I think we used to call it.

    I am heading for an outdoor event this evening. As is a thunderstorm.
    I have an ODI on Tuesday. I am going to be seriously disappointed if after all this glorious weather we are sitting there waiting for the covers to come off.
    Rain forecast for Leeds next Tuesday.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,249
    DavidL said:

    Scott_P said:

    DavidL said:

    We've got slightly weird spheroids of that dihydrogen oxide in the air in Edinburgh today. Rain, I think we used to call it.

    I am heading for an outdoor event this evening. As is a thunderstorm.
    I have an ODI on Tuesday. I am going to be seriously disappointed if after all this glorious weather we are sitting there waiting for the covers to come off.
    It's a shame cricket never took off in LA: the weather is absolutely perfect for it.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,169
    rcs1000 said:

    DavidL said:

    Scott_P said:

    DavidL said:

    We've got slightly weird spheroids of that dihydrogen oxide in the air in Edinburgh today. Rain, I think we used to call it.

    I am heading for an outdoor event this evening. As is a thunderstorm.
    I have an ODI on Tuesday. I am going to be seriously disappointed if after all this glorious weather we are sitting there waiting for the covers to come off.
    It's a shame cricket never took off in LA: the weather is absolutely perfect for it.
    Apparently there is a big cricket scene in Texas.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    I must say, amongst the weird things that some people voluntarily do in their spare time, such as trainspotting or watching dressage, going on an anti-Trump demonstration in London or (even odder) Belfast strikes me as one of the weirdest. What on earth is the purpose of it?

    In fairness, it is the season for marching in Belfast and those on this march would otherwise presumably be feeling left out from all the other marches going on at present.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,898

    DavidL said:

    Scott_P said:

    DavidL said:

    We've got slightly weird spheroids of that dihydrogen oxide in the air in Edinburgh today. Rain, I think we used to call it.

    I am heading for an outdoor event this evening. As is a thunderstorm.
    I have an ODI on Tuesday. I am going to be seriously disappointed if after all this glorious weather we are sitting there waiting for the covers to come off.
    Rain forecast for Leeds next Tuesday.
    It's my son's birthday present. That would be very sad.
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    DavidL said:

    I admire your certainty. I am beginning to wobble a bit that the terms of Brexit May is prepared to accept will be worse than Remain.

    I find it interesting that there's a lot of wobble on PB in the past few days. I wonder how widely this is reflected in the general population.
    I suspect that people on PB pay a lot more attention to the day-to-day detail than the general population, and so you are likely to have more potential to react to that detail. Oh the other hand, you might expect PB to attract a disproportionate number of partisans on either side of the debate, who would tend to be less likely to wobble.

    I think we've seen a bit of both. I suspect that the general population is mostly still enjoying the sunshine while it lasts.
    We've got slightly weird spheroids of that dihydrogen oxide in the air in Edinburgh today. Rain, I think we used to call it.
    Saw that on the radar - some sun in Glasgow!
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,898
    rcs1000 said:

    DavidL said:

    Scott_P said:

    DavidL said:

    We've got slightly weird spheroids of that dihydrogen oxide in the air in Edinburgh today. Rain, I think we used to call it.

    I am heading for an outdoor event this evening. As is a thunderstorm.
    I have an ODI on Tuesday. I am going to be seriously disappointed if after all this glorious weather we are sitting there waiting for the covers to come off.
    It's a shame cricket never took off in LA: the weather is absolutely perfect for it.
    If only they had not been so stupid as to rebel. Civilisation might have taken a grip.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,162

    Anazina said:

    TGOHF said:

    Trump is absolute box office . Tremendous entertainment.

    Add in the joy he is bringing to those who get to show off in London for an afternoon and it's the event of the year.


    I imagine you would vote for him, given the chance. You views seem to align nicely with his.
    +1. Pretty much.
    You would vote for Trump ;-)
    Nope. But I think who Anazina quoted would though.

    Didn’t see the presser, but apparently he was bigging up Boris even then. I don’t see how anyone can claim that her and Trump have a ‘connection’ or that this is a triumph for May after the last 24 hours.
    I think you would come to a different conclusion if you had seen the press conference. Yes he spoke about Boris but effused about TM and really gave her a huge endorsement
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,701
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Scott_P said:

    DavidL said:

    We've got slightly weird spheroids of that dihydrogen oxide in the air in Edinburgh today. Rain, I think we used to call it.

    I am heading for an outdoor event this evening. As is a thunderstorm.
    I have an ODI on Tuesday. I am going to be seriously disappointed if after all this glorious weather we are sitting there waiting for the covers to come off.
    Rain forecast for Leeds next Tuesday.
    It's my son's birthday present. That would be very sad.
    I sold my tickets to a friend, he's been grumbling at me since he checked the forecast.
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143

    I must say, amongst the weird things that some people voluntarily do in their spare time, such as trainspotting or watching dressage, going on an anti-Trump demonstration in London or (even odder) Belfast strikes me as one of the weirdest. What on earth is the purpose of it?

    Have you ever been on a demonstration Richard?
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830

    Anazina said:

    TGOHF said:

    Trump is absolute box office . Tremendous entertainment.

    Add in the joy he is bringing to those who get to show off in London for an afternoon and it's the event of the year.


    I imagine you would vote for him, given the chance. You views seem to align nicely with his.
    +1. Pretty much.
    You would vote for Trump ;-)
    Nope. But I think who Anazina quoted would though.

    Didn’t see the presser, but apparently he was bigging up Boris even then. I don’t see how anyone can claim that her and Trump have a ‘connection’ or that this is a triumph for May after the last 24 hours.
    I think you would come to a different conclusion if you had seen the press conference. Yes he spoke about Boris but effused about TM and really gave her a huge endorsement
    After having undermined her position in a newspaper interview. He also shouldn’t be bigging up rival of TM’s who has resigned this week in the presser. If May didn’t quite get it before the last 24 hours has established that Trump is utterly untrustworthy and someone you can’t reliably do business with.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,898

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Scott_P said:

    DavidL said:

    We've got slightly weird spheroids of that dihydrogen oxide in the air in Edinburgh today. Rain, I think we used to call it.

    I am heading for an outdoor event this evening. As is a thunderstorm.
    I have an ODI on Tuesday. I am going to be seriously disappointed if after all this glorious weather we are sitting there waiting for the covers to come off.
    Rain forecast for Leeds next Tuesday.
    It's my son's birthday present. That would be very sad.
    I sold my tickets to a friend, he's been grumbling at me since he checked the forecast.
    Its not that bad. Some light rain in the early afternoon: https://www.bing.com/search?FORM=SLBRDF&pc=SL16&q=weather forecast headingley
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821

    I must say, amongst the weird things that some people voluntarily do in their spare time, such as trainspotting or watching dressage, going on an anti-Trump demonstration in London or (even odder) Belfast strikes me as one of the weirdest. What on earth is the purpose of it?

    Have you ever been on a demonstration Richard?
    Certainly not!
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,414
    rcs1000 said:

    DavidL said:

    Scott_P said:

    DavidL said:

    We've got slightly weird spheroids of that dihydrogen oxide in the air in Edinburgh today. Rain, I think we used to call it.

    I am heading for an outdoor event this evening. As is a thunderstorm.
    I have an ODI on Tuesday. I am going to be seriously disappointed if after all this glorious weather we are sitting there waiting for the covers to come off.
    It's a shame cricket never took off in LA: the weather is absolutely perfect for it.
    You might like this

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compton_Cricket_Club
  • El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 4,239
    edited July 2018

    I must say, amongst the weird things that some people voluntarily do in their spare time, such as trainspotting or watching dressage, going on an anti-Trump demonstration in London or (even odder) Belfast strikes me as one of the weirdest. What on earth is the purpose of it?

    I went on the Blenheim Palace demonstration yesterday. (First demonstration I've ever been on.) For me, there were two reasons.

    No-one was under any illusions that Trump would notice or even see us - not that he'd have given the slightest of sh*ts if he had done. He flew in by helicopter, he flew out by helicopter. That was well publicised.

    But the demonstration was by the main gates, where all the various British dignitaries were being driven in - politicians, captains of industry, and so forth. It made clear to them that there is massive opposition here to Trump and we don't want them to consort with him or support his doings.

    Second, I can't do anything about Trump. But people in America can. Demonstrating against Trump was a little way of reassuring them that most of the rest of the world stands with them against this repulsive creep. And if that even goes a tiny way to helping them get rid of him, it'll have been worthwhile.

    Besides, it was a fun evening out and a lovely atmosphere, and I got a very enjoyable bike ride out of it.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,162

    Anazina said:

    TGOHF said:

    Trump is absolute box office . Tremendous entertainment.

    Add in the joy he is bringing to those who get to show off in London for an afternoon and it's the event of the year.


    I imagine you would vote for him, given the chance. You views seem to align nicely with his.
    +1. Pretty much.
    You would vote for Trump ;-)
    Nope. But I think who Anazina quoted would though.

    Didn’t see the presser, but apparently he was bigging up Boris even then. I don’t see how anyone can claim that her and Trump have a ‘connection’ or that this is a triumph for May after the last 24 hours.
    I think you would come to a different conclusion if you had seen the press conference. Yes he spoke about Boris but effused about TM and really gave her a huge endorsement
    After having undermined her position in a newspaper interview. He also shouldn’t be bigging up rival of TM’s who has resigned this week in the presser. If May didn’t quite get it before the last 24 hours has established that Trump is utterly untrustworthy and someone you can’t reliably do business with.
    I think we all know that but the press conference was good for TM
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,701
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Scott_P said:

    DavidL said:

    We've got slightly weird spheroids of that dihydrogen oxide in the air in Edinburgh today. Rain, I think we used to call it.

    I am heading for an outdoor event this evening. As is a thunderstorm.
    I have an ODI on Tuesday. I am going to be seriously disappointed if after all this glorious weather we are sitting there waiting for the covers to come off.
    Rain forecast for Leeds next Tuesday.
    It's my son's birthday present. That would be very sad.
    I sold my tickets to a friend, he's been grumbling at me since he checked the forecast.
    Its not that bad. Some light rain in the early afternoon: https://www.bing.com/search?FORM=SLBRDF&pc=SL16&q=weather forecast headingley
    The BBC says raining from 6am through to 7pm

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/0/6695619
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,898
    BTW, can anyone recommend a good restaurant in Leeds for a 15 year old? Likes his meat but has a vegetarian sister who will be there too. Not keen on anything spicy.
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143

    I must say, amongst the weird things that some people voluntarily do in their spare time, such as trainspotting or watching dressage, going on an anti-Trump demonstration in London or (even odder) Belfast strikes me as one of the weirdest. What on earth is the purpose of it?

    Have you ever been on a demonstration Richard?
    Certainly not!
    There is definitely something invigorating about a shared experience.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,898

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Scott_P said:

    DavidL said:

    We've got slightly weird spheroids of that dihydrogen oxide in the air in Edinburgh today. Rain, I think we used to call it.

    I am heading for an outdoor event this evening. As is a thunderstorm.
    I have an ODI on Tuesday. I am going to be seriously disappointed if after all this glorious weather we are sitting there waiting for the covers to come off.
    Rain forecast for Leeds next Tuesday.
    It's my son's birthday present. That would be very sad.
    I sold my tickets to a friend, he's been grumbling at me since he checked the forecast.
    Its not that bad. Some light rain in the early afternoon: https://www.bing.com/search?FORM=SLBRDF&pc=SL16&q=weather forecast headingley
    The BBC says raining from 6am through to 7pm

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/0/6695619
    Just as well I don't believe anything the BBC says, isn't it? That would be really disappointing.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,701
    DavidL said:

    BTW, can anyone recommend a good restaurant in Leeds for a 15 year old? Likes his meat but has a vegetarian sister who will be there too. Not keen on anything spicy.

    Sure David.

    I know Leeds very well (having worked there for many years).

    I've got some driving to do right now, but I'll send you something later on this evening.

    What time will you be eating?
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    I must say, amongst the weird things that some people voluntarily do in their spare time, such as trainspotting or watching dressage, going on an anti-Trump demonstration in London or (even odder) Belfast strikes me as one of the weirdest. What on earth is the purpose of it?

    Meeting girls?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,169
    edited July 2018
    Of course he is lying / mis-remembering...however, I seemed to remember the original plan was that he was going to arrive the day before.

    Edit - I am not going mental / mis-remembering :-)

    Donald Trump will arrive in UK the day before EU referendum

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jun/03/donald-trump-arrive-uk-eu-referendum-cameron-brexit
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    DavidL said:

    I must say, amongst the weird things that some people voluntarily do in their spare time, such as trainspotting or watching dressage, going on an anti-Trump demonstration in London or (even odder) Belfast strikes me as one of the weirdest. What on earth is the purpose of it?

    Virtue signalling.
    or attention seekers

    Don't they have jobs to go to ?

    These demo's do seem to be a catch all for every loon group to fly their Palestinian / Unite / Gays4Putin flags - "please look at me I'm special and important..".

    Sad.

  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,898

    DavidL said:

    BTW, can anyone recommend a good restaurant in Leeds for a 15 year old? Likes his meat but has a vegetarian sister who will be there too. Not keen on anything spicy.

    Sure David.

    I know Leeds very well (having worked there for many years).

    I've got some driving to do right now, but I'll send you something later on this evening.

    What time will you be eating?
    early, say 7ish?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,705

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Scott_P said:

    DavidL said:

    We've got slightly weird spheroids of that dihydrogen oxide in the air in Edinburgh today. Rain, I think we used to call it.

    I am heading for an outdoor event this evening. As is a thunderstorm.
    I have an ODI on Tuesday. I am going to be seriously disappointed if after all this glorious weather we are sitting there waiting for the covers to come off.
    Rain forecast for Leeds next Tuesday.
    It's my son's birthday present. That would be very sad.
    I sold my tickets to a friend, he's been grumbling at me since he checked the forecast.
    Its not that bad. Some light rain in the early afternoon: https://www.bing.com/search?FORM=SLBRDF&pc=SL16&q=weather forecast headingley
    The BBC says raining from 6am through to 7pm

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/0/6695619
    Good grief TSE, haven't you spotted that the BBC forecast is utterly shite since they stopped taking their weather services from the Met Office?!

    20% chance of rain at Headingley on Tuesday according to the Met Office - I know which one I trust.

    https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/forecast/gcwfhjjxu#?date=2018-07-17
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,816
    Good afternoon, everyone.

    Mr. L, I was about to try and rack my brains for a Brazilian place that serves almost exclusively meat, but a vegetarian heretic is unlikely to like it...

    How about a fish restaurant? Been a while since I was there, but Nash's was very good (and my mother once saw Charles Dance there, which I'm sure we can agree is an important distinction), and Loch Fein[sp] (on Town Square, located in what was the Post Office building) was nice when I went there some time ago.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    This is truly astonishing
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    rcs1000 said:

    DavidL said:

    Scott_P said:

    DavidL said:

    We've got slightly weird spheroids of that dihydrogen oxide in the air in Edinburgh today. Rain, I think we used to call it.

    I am heading for an outdoor event this evening. As is a thunderstorm.
    I have an ODI on Tuesday. I am going to be seriously disappointed if after all this glorious weather we are sitting there waiting for the covers to come off.
    It's a shame cricket never took off in LA: the weather is absolutely perfect for it.
    http://www.hollywoodcc.net/ Very fashionable these days

    https://www.sccacricket.org/
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,162

    Good afternoon, everyone.

    Mr. L, I was about to try and rack my brains for a Brazilian place that serves almost exclusively meat, but a vegetarian heretic is unlikely to like it...

    How about a fish restaurant? Been a while since I was there, but Nash's was very good (and my mother once saw Charles Dance there, which I'm sure we can agree is an important distinction), and Loch Fein[sp] (on Town Square, located in what was the Post Office building) was nice when I went there some time ago.

    Many years ago my late sistsr held a party in her flat with Charles Dance and other theatricals
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,754
    Scott_P said:
    Wonder if any UK persons of interest could be in trouble...
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited July 2018

    Good grief TSE, haven't you spotted that the BBC forecast is utterly shite since they stopped taking their weather services from the Met Office?!

    20% chance of rain at Headingley on Tuesday according to the Met Office - I know which one I trust.

    https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/forecast/gcwfhjjxu#?date=2018-07-17

    Seconded. Met office forecasts almost always more accurate than the garbage put out by BBC.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,044
    DavidL said:

    BTW, can anyone recommend a good restaurant in Leeds for a 15 year old? Likes his meat but has a vegetarian sister who will be there too. Not keen on anything spicy.

    Brasserie 44 on The Calls

    Banyan, City Square - near the station
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    I must say, amongst the weird things that some people voluntarily do in their spare time, such as trainspotting or watching dressage, going on an anti-Trump demonstration in London or (even odder) Belfast strikes me as one of the weirdest. What on earth is the purpose of it?

    So we can get very good posters/signs.

    https://twitter.com/TomPowdrill/status/1017782993744809984
    LOL - superb
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,044
    Charles said:

    I must say, amongst the weird things that some people voluntarily do in their spare time, such as trainspotting or watching dressage, going on an anti-Trump demonstration in London or (even odder) Belfast strikes me as one of the weirdest. What on earth is the purpose of it?

    Meeting girls?
    ...with purple hair!
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,293
    Has Donald gone to meet HMQ yet? :D
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,705
    TGOHF said:

    DavidL said:

    I must say, amongst the weird things that some people voluntarily do in their spare time, such as trainspotting or watching dressage, going on an anti-Trump demonstration in London or (even odder) Belfast strikes me as one of the weirdest. What on earth is the purpose of it?

    Virtue signalling.
    or attention seekers

    Don't they have jobs to go to ?

    These demo's do seem to be a catch all for every loon group to fly their Palestinian / Unite / Gays4Putin flags - "please look at me I'm special and important..".

    Sad.

    Sad?! You should celebrate this whether or not you'd consider attending yourself. It's important that people can engage in peaceful protest in a free country.

    "First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Socialist.

    Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Jew.

    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."
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