I guess the question is what is PMQs for. If it's to win debating points in the House of Commons, going on buses is daft. If it's to signal to people in the wider country that you're interested in things that really hack you off, it's potentially a good idea.
Far more likely is transition deal until 2021 then WTO terms for 7 years whether the Tories or Corbyn win in 2022 while we try and get a FTA with the EU then we return to the single market and customs union after Chuka Umunna wins the 2027 general election having had 7 years of no free movement as Blair should have taken from 2004 to 2011 had he imposed transition controls on free movement from the new accession countries
Hang on, I thought you said a FTA was in the bag? About 10,000 times. What happened?
EDIT: An FTA or a FTA?
I think it's obvious that the current timetable in which to complete a free trade deal is unrealistic, a 7-10 year transition from full member to third country with a FTA (I think "a" is right) is the only way to get Brexit right and one which suits the UK and EU over the longer term without disrupting cross border trade and solving the Ireland issue in the near term as well as having a longer term solution.
It's all such a bloody waste of money, time and intellectual capacity with huge opportunity costs, and it would mean there would be no UK left in the long term, but apart from that it's a credible plan.
I guess the question is what is PMQs for. If it's to win debating points in the House of Commons, going on buses is daft. If it's to signal to people in the wider country that you're interested in things that really hack you off, it's potentially a good idea.
Jezza's PMQ strategy has nothing to do with winning in the chamber and all about the video for FaceAche / Tw@tter. Hague used to give Blair a good intellectual duffing up on a fairly regular basis and it did him no good at all.
Fare play for Corbyn standing up for bus users. The #FBPE lot on twitter seem apocolyptic about him going on it mind. I didn't realise the volume of bus journeys a year was so substantially higher than train use either - it certainly isn't an impression you'd get from twitter !! I suspect the group most put out by him leading on bus use are train users, who are desperately over-represented amongst journalists in particular.
It's a big issue on the doorsteps in my parts, but not the commuter side of it. Ageing folk, living in edge-of-town estates with little/no commerce, no longer able to drive. The economics of running buses often don't add up but that's the point where you start needing to work out the externalities.
Far more likely is transition deal until 2021 then WTO terms for 7 years whether the Tories or Corbyn win in 2022 while we try and get a FTA with the EU then we return to the single market and customs union after Chuka Umunna wins the 2027 general election having had 7 years of no free movement as Blair should have taken from 2004 to 2011 had he imposed transition controls on free movement from the new accession countries
Hang on, I thought you said a FTA was in the bag? About 10,000 times. What happened?
EDIT: An FTA or a FTA?
Canada took 7 years to get a FTA with the EU so that would be 2028 from the end of the transition period in January 2021 and by then as I said a PM Umunna may have won the 2027 general election on a platform of rejoining the EEA and the Customs Union anyway
All sounds perfectly credible except for the bit about Umunna ever becoming PM - that is too fastastical.
Umunna or Creasey whoever, the end result would be the same
I guess the question is what is PMQs for. If it's to win debating points in the House of Commons, going on buses is daft. If it's to signal to people in the wider country that you're interested in things that really hack you off, it's potentially a good idea.
It also marks [another] contrast with the New Labour years. For all of John Prescott's talk about an "integrated transport system", buses were entirely neglected during the Blair/Brown governments, with the sole exception of the introduction of the national bus pass - which Corbyn mentioned today in not entirely positive terms: "A bus pass isn’t much use if there isn’t a bus."
It could be easy to imagine that Corbyn still saw himself as railing against a New Labour government from the backbenches. Maybe in a political sense he is.
Fare play for Corbyn standing up for bus users. The #FBPE lot on twitter seem apocolyptic about him going on it mind. I didn't realise the volume of bus journeys a year was so substantially higher than train use either - it certainly isn't an impression you'd get from twitter !! I suspect the group most put out by him leading on bus use are train users, who are desperately over-represented amongst journalists in particular.
They are bloody expensive in York, it is run by first York .First group are putting prices up again this month.
I live just 2 miles out of the city centre.
£ 2:50p single £5 return . I walk if going for a drink. Or take the car if not.As you can park in Sainsbury's for £4 for 4 hours and you get your money back if you spend over a tenner at Sainsbury's .You always need something.
Anyways £15 for a family of 2 Adults and 2 children , for two miles of travel is a lot for families struggling.
Far more likely is transition deal until 2021 then WTO terms for 7 years whether the Tories or Corbyn win in 2022 while we try and get a FTA with the EU then we return to the single market and customs union after Chuka Umunna wins the 2027 general election having had 7 years of no free movement as Blair should have taken from 2004 to 2011 had he imposed transition controls on free movement from the new accession countries
Hang on, I thought you said a FTA was in the bag? About 10,000 times. What happened?
EDIT: An FTA or a FTA?
Canada took 7 years to get a FTA with the EU so that would be 2028 from the end of the transition period in January 2021 and by then as I said a PM Umunna may have won the 2027 general election on a platform of rejoining the EEA and the Customs Union anyway
All sounds perfectly credible except for the bit about Umunna ever becoming PM - that is too fastastical.
Umunna or Creasey whoever, the end result would be the same
I would like to know the mechanics of a moderate winning the leadership of the Labour party. Lets assume Corbyn loses in 2022 and stands down. The membership is still largely made up of his supporters and the unions are still largely supportive of his platform. In what world does a Blairite reformist win against a hard left candidate?
It's one thing for Tory members (leavers) to vote for Javid (a remainer), we know winning is more important than purity, that doesn't apply to Labour members, at all.
Fare play for Corbyn standing up for bus users. The #FBPE lot on twitter seem apocolyptic about him going on it mind. I didn't realise the volume of bus journeys a year was so substantially higher than train use either - it certainly isn't an impression you'd get from twitter !! I suspect the group most put out by him leading on bus use are train users, who are desperately over-represented amongst journalists in particular.
It's a big issue on the doorsteps in my parts, but not the commuter side of it. Ageing folk, living in edge-of-town estates with little/no commerce, no longer able to drive. The economics of running buses often don't add up but that's the point where you start needing to work out the externalities.
Providing free buses so the elderly can get out and about every day and remain physically active and mentally alert is a hell of a lot Cheaper than providing social care and healthcare because they deteriorate sooner due to social isolation.
Croatia play Russia, yes? With the winner playing England or Sweden?
Yes. On the one hand I do not want Russia to win. On the other hand, a semi-final victory for England over Russia would be delicious.
IMO Croatia are the only team from England's side of the draw that have any hope of beating Brazil or France.
I agree that Croatia are the strongest team in England's side of the draw. I do fancy Belgium's chances against Brazil, though.
They are only to have to play like they did in the last 20 minutes against Japan for the whole game....and defend even better.
My concern in regards to Beligum is their defence is led by Kompany who is nowhere near the player he was of 4 years ago.
If fancy dan ball hogger plays as part of the team (which apparently he has been told in uncertain terms he has to), Brazil have shown going forward they are far ahead of everybody else.
Though of course a lot of things will be leaving the UK. The EMA, skilled workers, industrial investment and our reputation of down to earth common sense.
Days since Labour have had an anti-Jew issue...0....
A key ally of Len McCluskey was pictured in a t-shirt bearing the slogan ‘Victory to the Intifada,’ it has emerged. Asquith also writes a column for Labourlist and previously worked on Jeremy Corbyn’s first leadership campaign.
Though of course a lot of things will be leaving the UK. The EMA, skilled workers, industrial investment and our reputation of down to earth common sense.
Perhaps Theresa and Philip are planning to move to the Dordogne or Tuscany while they can?
Far more likely is transition deal until 2021 then WTO terms for 7 years whether the Tories or Corbyn win in 2022 while we try and get a FTA with the EU then we return to the single market and customs union after Chuka Umunna wins the 2027 general election having had 7 years of no free movement as Blair should have taken from 2004 to 2011 had he imposed transition controls on free movement from the new accession countries
Hang on, I thought you said a FTA was in the bag? About 10,000 times. What happened?
EDIT: An FTA or a FTA?
Canada took 7 years to get a FTA with the EU so that would be 2028 from the end of the transition period in January 2021 and by then as I said a PM Umunna may have won the 2027 general election on a platform of rejoining the EEA and the Customs Union anyway
All sounds perfectly credible except for the bit about Umunna ever becoming PM - that is too fastastical.
Umunna or Creasey whoever, the end result would be the same
I would like to know the mechanics of a moderate winning the leadership of the Labour party. Lets assume Corbyn loses in 2022 and stands down. The membership is still largely made up of his supporters and the unions are still largely supportive of his platform. In what world does a Blairite reformist win against a hard left candidate?
It's one thing for Tory members (leavers) to vote for Javid (a remainer), we know winning is more important than purity, that doesn't apply to Labour members, at all.
As I made clear before if Corbyn loses in 2022 Umunna etc will almost certainly found a new centrist pro EEA party similar to Macron's 'En Marche' if Corbyn or a hard Left candidate wins the leadership of Labour again. Indeed Umunna has reportedly already been talking to Soubry, Cable etc about just such a new centrist party if needed.
Of course Macron left the Socialist Party to found En Marche.
The Tory membership of course elected IDS and Javid used to be a Brexiteer and was fiercely anti ERM, Labour members once elected Blair to lead them
The 1.24bn vehicle miles compares with 0.32bn train km. Trains, of course, tend to be longer than buses and I suspect rail passenger km (65.8 billion in 2017-18) would drawf bus passenger km for which the DfT do not provide an estimate.
On journeys, the chart on page 7 shows that the gap between bus and train journeys is narrowing.
Interestingly, Rutland aside, the local authority with the lowest rate of bus journeys per head of population is Windsor and Maidenhead (11 journeys per person in 2016-17).
Far more likely is transition deal until 2021 then WTO terms for 7 years whether the Tories or Corbyn win in 2022 while we try and get a FTA with the EU then we return to the single market and customs union after Chuka Umunna wins the 2027 general election having had 7 years of no free movement as Blair should have taken from 2004 to 2011 had he imposed transition controls on free movement from the new accession countries
Hang on, I thought you said a FTA was in the bag? About 10,000 times. What happened?
EDIT: An FTA or a FTA?
Canada took 7 years to get a FTA with the EU so that would be 2028 from the end of the transition period in January 2021 and by then as I said a PM Umunna may have won the 2027 general election on a platform of rejoining the EEA and the Customs Union anyway
All sounds perfectly credible except for the bit about Umunna ever becoming PM - that is too fastastical.
Umunna or Creasey whoever, the end result would be the same
I would like to know the mechanics of a moderate winning the leadership of the Labour party. Lets assume Corbyn loses in 2022 and stands down. The membership is still largely made up of his supporters and the unions are still largely supportive of his platform. In what world does a Blairite reformist win against a hard left candidate?
It's one thing for Tory members (leavers) to vote for Javid (a remainer), we know winning is more important than purity, that doesn't apply to Labour members, at all.
As I made clear before if Corbyn loses in 2022 Umunna etc will almost certainly found a new centrist pro EEA party similar to Macron's 'En Marche' if Corbyn or a hard Left candidate wins the leadership of Labour again. Indeed Umunna has reportedly already been talking to Soubry, Cable etc about just such a new centrist party if needed.
Of course Macron left the Socialist Party to found En Marche.
The Tory membership of course elected IDS and Javid used to be a Brexiteer and was fiercely anti ERM, Labour members once elected Blair to lead them
And how does he become PM by splitting the left? Insurgent parties don't work within the bounds of FPTP and neither Theresa nor Jez are going to change that and threaten their own duopoly.
It's a completely unrealistic scenario. If Corbyn loses in 2022 then one of his acolytes takes over, if they then lose in 2027, then the centrists get their chance, by then we'll be getting up to 2032.
Far more likely is transition deal until 2021 then WTO terms for 7 years whether the Tories or Corbyn win in 2022 while we try and get a FTA with the EU then we return to the single market and customs union after Chuka Umunna wins the 2027 general election having had 7 years of no free movement as Blair should have taken from 2004 to 2011 had he imposed transition controls on free movement from the new accession countries
Hang on, I thought you said a FTA was in the bag? About 10,000 times. What happened?
EDIT: An FTA or a FTA?
Canada took 7 years to get a FTA with the EU so that would be 2028 from the end of the transition period in January 2021 and by then as I said a PM Umunna may have won the 2027 general election on a platform of rejoining the EEA and the Customs Union anyway
All sounds perfectly credible except for the bit about Umunna ever becoming PM - that is too fastastical.
Umunna or Creasey whoever, the end result would be the same
I would like to know the mechanics of a moderate winning the leadership of the Labour party. Lets assume Corbyn loses in 2022 and stands down. The membership is still largely made up of his supporters and the unions are still largely supportive of his platform. In what world does a Blairite reformist win against a hard left candidate?
It's one thing for Tory members (leavers) to vote for Javid (a remainer), we know winning is more important than purity, that doesn't apply to Labour members, at all.
Far more likely is transition deal until 2021 then WTO terms for 7 years whether the Tories or Corbyn win in 2022 while we try and get a FTA with the EU then we return to the single market and customs union after Chuka Umunna wins the 2027 general election having had 7 years of no free movement as Blair should have taken from 2004 to 2011 had he imposed transition controls on free movement from the new accession countries
Hang on, I thought you said a FTA was in the bag? About 10,000 times. What happened?
EDIT: An FTA or a FTA?
Canada took 7 years to get a FTA with the EU so that would be 2028 from the end of the transition period in January 2021 and by then as I said a PM Umunna may have won the 2027 general election on a platform of rejoining the EEA and the Customs Union anyway
All sounds perfectly credible except for the bit about Umunna ever becoming PM - that is too fastastical.
Umunna or Creasey whoever, the end result would be the same
I would like to know the mechanics of a moderate winning the leadership of the Labour party. Lets assume Corbyn loses in 2022 and stands down. The membership is still largely made up of his supporters and the unions are still largely supportive of his platform. In what world does a Blairite reformist win against a hard left candidate?
It's one thing for Tory members (leavers) to vote for Javid (a remainer), we know winning is more important than purity, that doesn't apply to Labour members, at all.
Javid is a leaver.
He voted remain and came out for remain during the referendum. He's a remainer.
Oh I forgot today is the 242nd anniversary of the day the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland decided we'd much rather have India than America.
It's not.
Nor is it the anniversary of the US deciding to commit to independence either.
It is the 192nd anniversary of two of the signatories' (Jefferson & Adams) deaths
And there was no such entity as the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland until the first day of the 19th century.
Oh I forgot today is the 242nd anniversary of the day the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland decided we'd much rather have India than America.
It's not.
Nor is it the anniversary of the US deciding to commit to independence either.
It is the 192nd anniversary of two of the signatories' (Jefferson & Adams) deaths
That it is (rather more than just signatories as well).
The 1.24bn vehicle miles compares with 0.32bn train km. Trains, of course, tend to be longer than buses and I suspect rail passenger km (65.8 billion in 2017-18) would drawf bus passenger km for which the DfT do not provide an estimate.
On journeys, the chart on page 7 shows that the gap between bus and train journeys is narrowing.
Interestingly, Rutland aside, the local authority with the lowest rate of bus journeys per head of population is Windsor and Maidenhead (11 journeys per person in 2016-17).
I live in a large city with a good bus network (Edinburgh) so I use the bus a lot. However, one return journey to London will equate to at least 100 return bus journeys in the city. So, trivially, passenger-distance travelled by train will easily exceed that by bus, even if usage of the bus has much more impact on quality of life.
Even when I commute to work by train I will normally catch a bus first.
Passenger-distance is not a good metric to use to compare the relative importance of bus and train travel.
Far more likely is transition deal until 2021 then WTO terms for 7 years whether the Tories or Corbyn win in 2022 while we try and get a FTA with the EU then we return to the single market and customs union after Chuka Umunna wins the 2027 general election having had 7 years of no free movement as Blair should have taken from 2004 to 2011 had he imposed transition controls on free movement from the new accession countries
Hang on, I thought you said a FTA was in the bag? About 10,000 times. What happened?
EDIT: An FTA or a FTA?
Canada took 7 years to get a FTA with the EU so that would be 2028 from the end of the trUnion anyway
All sounds perfectly credible except for the bit about Umunna ever becoming PM - that is too fastastical.
Umunna or Creasey whoever, the end result would be the same
I would like to know the mechanics of andidate?
It's one thing for Tory members (leavers) to vote for Javid (a remainer), we know winning is more important than purity, that doesn't apply to Labour members, at all.
As I made clear before if Corbyn loses in 2022 Umunna etc will almost certainly found a new centrist pro EEA party similar to Macron's 'En Marche' if Corbyn or a hard Left candidate wins the leadership of Labour again. Indeed Umunna has reportedly already been talking to Soubry, Cable etc about just such a new centrist party if needed.
Of course Macron left the Socialist Party to found En Marche.
The Tory membership of course elected IDS and Javid used to be a Brexiteer and was fiercely anti ERM, Labour members once elected Blair to lead them
And how does he become PM by splitting the left? Insurgent parties don't work within the bounds of FPTP and neither Theresa nor Jez are going to change that and threaten their own duopoly.
It's a completely unrealistic scenario. If Corbyn loses in 2022 then one of his acolytes takes over, if they then lose in 2027, then the centrists get their chance, by then we'll be getting up to 2032.
By taking enough moderate Labour supporters and pro EEA Tories and LDs.
Remember Macron won the first round of the presidential election in France as well as the second as did En Marche in the legislative elections, leaving the conservative Les Republicains and the left-wing Socialist Party trailing in its wake
Canada took 7 years to get a FTA with the EU so that would be 2028 from the end of the transition period in January 2021 and by then as I said a PM Umunna may have won the 2027 general election on a platform of rejoining the EEA and the Customs Union anyway
All sounds perfectly credible except for the bit about Umunna ever becoming PM - that is too fastastical.
Umunna or Creasey whoever, the end result would be the same
I would like to know the mechanics of a moderate winning the leadership of the Labour party. Lets assume Corbyn loses in 2022 and stands down. The membership is still largely made up of his supporters and the unions are still largely supportive of his platform. In what world does a Blairite reformist win against a hard left candidate?
It's one thing for Tory members (leavers) to vote for Javid (a remainer), we know winning is more important than purity, that doesn't apply to Labour members, at all.
As I made clear before if Corbyn loses in 2022 Umunna etc will almost certainly found a new centrist pro EEA party similar to Macron's 'En Marche' if Corbyn or a hard Left candidate wins the leadership of Labour again. Indeed Umunna has reportedly already been talking to Soubry, Cable etc about just such a new centrist party if needed.
Of course Macron left the Socialist Party to found En Marche.
The Tory membership of course elected IDS and Javid used to be a Brexiteer and was fiercely anti ERM, Labour members once elected Blair to lead them
And how does he become PM by splitting the left? Insurgent parties don't work within the bounds of FPTP and neither Theresa nor Jez are going to change that and threaten their own duopoly.
It's a completely unrealistic scenario. If Corbyn loses in 2022 then one of his acolytes takes over, if they then lose in 2027, then the centrists get their chance, by then we'll be getting up to 2032.
Insurgent parties can succeed within FPTP, but:
1. It's very hard and very rare; 2. It requires replacing one or other of the two established governing parties in the top tier - in this case, presumably Labour; 3. Even if successful in the medium term, the likely short-term effect will be to give the other side - i.e. the Tories here - a huge advantage.
That said, we should remember than the SDP-Liberal alliance polled well into the 40s in late 1981 / early 1982. Although that edge had already come off before the Falklands, it's far from inconceivable to think that had things panned out differently, Roy Jenkins could have become PM in 1984.
Far more likely is transition deal until 2021 then WTO terms for 7 years whether the Tories or Corbyn win in 2022 while we try and get a FTA with the EU then we return to the single market and customs union after Chuka Umunna wins the 2027 general election having had 7 years of no free movement as Blair should have taken from 2004 to 2011 had he imposed transition controls on free movement from the new accession countries
Hang on, I thought you said a FTA was in the bag? About 10,000 times. What happened?
EDIT: An FTA or a FTA?
Canada took 7 years to get a FTA with the EU so that would be 2028 from the end of the transition period in January 2021 and by then as I said a PM Umunna may have won the 2027 general election on a platform of rejoining the EEA and the Customs Union anyway
All sounds perfectly credible except for the bit about Umunna ever becoming PM - that is too fastastical.
Umunna or Creasey whoever, the end result would be the same
I would like to know the mechanics of a moderate winning the leadership of the Labour party. Lets assume Corbyn loses in 2022 and stands down. The membership is still largely made up of his supporters and the unions are still largely supportive of his platform. In what world does a Blairite reformist win against a hard left candidate?
It's one thing for Tory members (leavers) to vote for Javid (a remainer), we know winning is more important than purity, that doesn't apply to Labour members, at all.
I’m not a Labour Party member and I’m sure somebody on here will be will put it all straight. But I’m not sure they are less interested in winning than their Conservative Counterparts. Corbyn only got in after the existing leadership lost after all. I don’t think they were given the choice of a winner versus an ideologue. It was between someone who would probably lose and a continuation of what had just lost. It seemed quite logical to me. If they had thrown out a likely winner in favour of a purist your point would be made. But there was no winner available.
*snipped max's email*Hang on, I thought you said a FTA was in the bag? About 10,000 times. What happened?
EDIT: An FTA or a FTA?
Canada took 7 years to get a FTA with the EU so that would be 2028 from the end of the transition period in January 2021 and by then as I said a PM Umunna may have won the 2027 general election on a platform of rejoining the EEA and the Customs Union anyway
All sounds perfectly credible except for the bit about Umunna ever becoming PM - that is too fastastical.
Umunna or Creasey whoever, the end result would be the same
I would like to know the mechanics of a moderate winning the leadership of the Labour party. Lets assume Corbyn loses in 2022 and stands down. The membership is still largely made up of his supporters and the unions are still largely supportive of his platform. In what world does a Blairite reformist win against a hard left candidate?
It's one thing for Tory members (leavers) to vote for Javid (a remainer), we know winning is more important than purity, that doesn't apply to Labour members, at all.
I’m not a Labour Party member and I’m sure somebody on here will be will put it all straight. But I’m not sure they are less interested in winning than their Conservative Counterparts. Corbyn only got in after the existing leadership lost after all. I don’t think they were given the choice of a winner versus an ideologue. It was between someone who would probably lose and a continuation of what had just lost. It seemed quite logical to me. If they had thrown out a likely winner in favour of a purist your point would be made. But there was no winner available.
They may or they may not be more interested in winning but after 2017, the large number of Corbyn-inspired Labour members believe that winning *on his platform* is entirely possible and that there's no great need to elect a triangulating centrist in order to win (the fact that Corbyn himself has triangulated at times is beside the point).
But with the NEC and Labour professional staff now also tilted to the left, the proposed leadership rule changes going to ensure that all candidates are likely to need to dress to the left, and the Shadow Cabinet now dominated by the left (not least by the self-imposed exile of those who resigned), Corbyn's successor is almost certain to come from his wing of the Party.
Far more likely is transition deal until 2021 then WTO terms for 7 years whether the Tories or Corbyn win in 2022 while we try and get a FTA with the EU then we return to the single market and customs union after Chuka Umunna wins the 2027 general election having had 7 years of no free movement as Blair should have taken from 2004 to 2011 had he imposed transition controls on free movement from the new accession countries
Hang on, I thought you said a FTA was in the bag? About 10,000 times. What happened?
EDIT: An FTA or a FTA?
Canada took 7 years to get a FTA with the EU so that would be 2028 from the end of the transition period in January 2021 and by then as I said a PM Umunna may have won the 2027 general election on a platform of rejoining the EEA and the Customs Union anyway
All sounds perfectly credible except for the bit about Umunna ever becoming PM - that is too fastastical.
Umunna or Creasey whoever, the end result would be the same
I would like to know the mechanics of a moderate winning the leadership of the Labour party. Lets assume Corbyn loses in 2022 and stands down. The membership is still largely made up of his supporters and the unions are still largely supportive of his platform. In what world does a Blairite reformist win against a hard left candidate?
It's one thing for Tory members (leavers) to vote for Javid (a remainer), we know winning is more important than purity, that doesn't apply to Labour members, at all.
I’m not a Labour Party member and I’m sure somebody on here will be will put it all straight. But I’m not sure they are less interested in winning than their Conservative Counterparts. Corbyn only got in after the existing leadership lost after all. I don’t think they were given the choice of a winner versus an ideologue. It was between someone who would probably lose and a continuation of what had just lost. It seemed quite logical to me. If they had thrown out a likely winner in favour of a purist your point would be made. But there was no winner available.
I agree, Leader replacements are rarely like for like. That worked in favour of Jezza, but will work against him next time.
He probably has a Cameronesque level of football knowledge tbf.
Politicians should stay well clear of pretending to have fantastic knowledge of football. From Cameron and his West Ham Villa to Corbyn quoting a Scotman's as one of the greatest English managers.
Actually, politicians and sport, music, popular tv...just be honest and say I don't watch Love Island, I prefer cricket to football and who the hell are the Arctic Monkeys.
I realise a lot of people on this forum live in England and some might even think the country we live in is England...
It isn't, Shankly is one of this country's greatest managers, he isn't England's greatest manager (greatest in England possibly) but that was never actually claimed by anyone, well actually it probably was but not by Corbyn.
As a Labour leader it probably isn't sensible to ignore the other parts of the union, Wales and Scotland (N. Ireland shouldn't be ignored either but from an electoral point of view you can) the Tories can afford to get away with a more English-centric attitude.
I agree, Leader replacements are rarely like for like. That worked in favour of Jezza, but will work against him next time.
It's worth noting that changes in Labour's constitution designed to entrench one faction have never worked in the way in which those who promoted them intended.
In the early 1980s, under Michael Foot, the electoral college was promoted to ensure that future leaders would be drawn from the left of the party. But it actually produced a marked shift to the right, successively electing Neil Kinnock, John Smith and finally Tony Blair.
The new all-member-plus-supporter system introduced by Ed Miliband was supposed to ensure that the leadership remained in moderate hands. But it actually produced Jeremy Corbyn.
It's not really possible to entrench an electorally unsuccessful faction in a democratic system - failure at the ballot box will always lead to pressure for a change in policy.
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Happily, I've also backed Uruguay at 29, so that works either way.
If England ended up playing Russia that could be a little bit spicy. Hope Croatia win.
It could be easy to imagine that Corbyn still saw himself as railing against a New Labour government from the backbenches. Maybe in a political sense he is.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/44694122
I live just 2 miles out of the city centre.
£ 2:50p single £5 return .
I walk if going for a drink.
Or take the car if not.As you can park in Sainsbury's for £4 for 4 hours and you get your money back if you spend over a tenner at Sainsbury's .You always need something.
Anyways £15 for a family of 2 Adults and 2 children , for two miles of travel is a lot for families struggling.
It's one thing for Tory members (leavers) to vote for Javid (a remainer), we know winning is more important than purity, that doesn't apply to Labour members, at all.
https://mobile.twitter.com/USAmbUK/status/1014433179996913665
My concern in regards to Beligum is their defence is led by Kompany who is nowhere near the player he was of 4 years ago.
If fancy dan ball hogger plays as part of the team (which apparently he has been told in uncertain terms he has to), Brazil have shown going forward they are far ahead of everybody else.
However Universal Credit will not go away.Especially when millions on legacy benefits are migrated to UC.
A key ally of Len McCluskey was pictured in a t-shirt bearing the slogan ‘Victory to the Intifada,’ it has emerged. Asquith also writes a column for Labourlist and previously worked on Jeremy Corbyn’s first leadership campaign.
https://www.theredroar.com/2018/07/top-unite-aide-in-intifada-row/
Of course Macron left the Socialist Party to found En Marche.
The Tory membership of course elected IDS and Javid used to be a Brexiteer and was fiercely anti ERM, Labour members once elected Blair to lead them
https://tinyurl.com/y94hx6rk
The 1.24bn vehicle miles compares with 0.32bn train km. Trains, of course, tend to be longer than buses and I suspect rail passenger km (65.8 billion in 2017-18) would drawf bus passenger km for which the DfT do not provide an estimate.
On journeys, the chart on page 7 shows that the gap between bus and train journeys is narrowing.
Interestingly, Rutland aside, the local authority with the lowest rate of bus journeys per head of population is Windsor and Maidenhead (11 journeys per person in 2016-17).
It's a completely unrealistic scenario. If Corbyn loses in 2022 then one of his acolytes takes over, if they then lose in 2027, then the centrists get their chance, by then we'll be getting up to 2032.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/whatsapp-child-sex-claims-leave-29-dead-in-indian-mob-hysteria-c56s9wfpb
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Even when I commute to work by train I will normally catch a bus first.
Passenger-distance is not a good metric to use to compare the relative importance of bus and train travel.
Remember Macron won the first round of the presidential election in France as well as the second as did En Marche in the legislative elections, leaving the conservative Les Republicains and the left-wing Socialist Party trailing in its wake
1. It's very hard and very rare;
2. It requires replacing one or other of the two established governing parties in the top tier - in this case, presumably Labour;
3. Even if successful in the medium term, the likely short-term effect will be to give the other side - i.e. the Tories here - a huge advantage.
That said, we should remember than the SDP-Liberal alliance polled well into the 40s in late 1981 / early 1982. Although that edge had already come off before the Falklands, it's far from inconceivable to think that had things panned out differently, Roy Jenkins could have become PM in 1984.
But with the NEC and Labour professional staff now also tilted to the left, the proposed leadership rule changes going to ensure that all candidates are likely to need to dress to the left, and the Shadow Cabinet now dominated by the left (not least by the self-imposed exile of those who resigned), Corbyn's successor is almost certain to come from his wing of the Party.
But unlikely to be the same as the previous unknown.
It isn't, Shankly is one of this country's greatest managers, he isn't England's greatest manager (greatest in England possibly) but that was never actually claimed by anyone, well actually it probably was but not by Corbyn.
As a Labour leader it probably isn't sensible to ignore the other parts of the union, Wales and Scotland (N. Ireland shouldn't be ignored either but from an electoral point of view you can) the Tories can afford to get away with a more English-centric attitude.
Edit Not Ferguson but Shankly...
Ferguson would have been a good choice IMO!
In the early 1980s, under Michael Foot, the electoral college was promoted to ensure that future leaders would be drawn from the left of the party. But it actually produced a marked shift to the right, successively electing Neil Kinnock, John Smith and finally Tony Blair.
The new all-member-plus-supporter system introduced by Ed Miliband was supposed to ensure that the leadership remained in moderate hands. But it actually produced Jeremy Corbyn.
It's not really possible to entrench an electorally unsuccessful faction in a democratic system - failure at the ballot box will always lead to pressure for a change in policy.