Also, it looks like growth has picked up again, even against the background of a dysfunctional government and no direction for Brexit. My guess is we're looking at 0.3% Q1 final and 0.4% Q2 initial which will get revised to 0.5% final. Full year growth will come in at between 1.6% and 1.9% IMO. If the government negotiates a deal the minimises trade disruption and plots a long term exit from the Customs Union (as has been suggested) then I expect next year we will see growth jump.
As with Robert, I have always said Brexit is a journey. Ideally we will do it in stages, I have no qualms about staying in the Customs Union for 3-5 years and then a customs partnership for another 2-4 years until we're ready with the tech to deal with a customs border. If the EU is happy to sign up to that then I think it's a good result. What we can't have is an indefinite timescale of staying in the Customs Union, I don't think that helps anyone plan anything because a future government will eventually get voted in on the basis of "proper Brexit".
Ideally this is the journey Brexit -> Customs Union/EEA -> customs partnership/EEA/EFTA -> customs border with pre-clearance of key industries/EEA -> Bespoke deal which rolls everything into formal relationship with mutual recognition in key areas. Overall I'd say 10 years to get it done, unfortunately we're already two years behind schedule.
Also, it looks like growth has picked up again, even against the background of a dysfunctional government and no direction for Brexit. My guess is we're looking at 0.3% Q1 final and 0.4% Q2 initial which will get revised to 0.5% final. Full year growth will come in at between 1.6% and 1.9% IMO. If the government negotiates a deal the minimises trade disruption and plots a long term exit from the Customs Union (as has been suggested) then I expect next year we will see growth jump.
As with Robert, I have always said Brexit is a journey. Ideally we will do it in stages, I have no qualms about staying in the Customs Union for 3-5 years and then a customs partnership for another 2-4 years until we're ready with the tech to deal with a customs border. If the EU is happy to sign up to that then I think it's a good result. What we can't have is an indefinite timescale of staying in the Customs Union, I don't think that helps anyone plan anything because a future government will eventually get voted in on the basis of "proper Brexit".
Ideally this is the journey Brexit -> Customs Union/EEA -> customs partnership/EEA/EFTA -> customs border with pre-clearance of key industries/EEA -> Bespoke deal which rolls everything into formal relationship with mutual recognition in key areas. Overall I'd say 10 years to get it done, unfortunately we're already two years behind schedule.
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Especially 'What we can't have is an indefinite timescale of staying in the Customs Union'. The deal, for it to stand, needs to be taking us out, however slowly, of the low-earth orbit of the EU.
Ideally this is the journey Brexit -> Customs Union/EEA -> customs partnership/EEA/EFTA -> customs border with pre-clearance of key industries/EEA -> Bespoke deal which rolls everything into formal relationship with mutual recognition in key areas. Overall I'd say 10 years to get it done, unfortunately we're already two years behind schedule.
Global Britain it ain't... More like interminable navel gazing that almost nobody has any appetite for. It's also irresponsible to contemplate spending a decade as a destabilising factor in Europe.
Ideally this is the journey Brexit -> Customs Union/EEA -> customs partnership/EEA/EFTA -> customs border with pre-clearance of key industries/EEA -> Bespoke deal which rolls everything into formal relationship with mutual recognition in key areas. Overall I'd say 10 years to get it done, unfortunately we're already two years behind schedule.
Global Britain it ain't... More like interminable navel gazing that almost nobody has any appetite for. It's also irresponsible to contemplate spending a decade as a destabilising factor in Europe.
What's 10 years in the history of a nation? It might seem like a long time in EU terms, but the EU was not year zero, despite your own beliefs/hopes.
Shouldn't the blame be shared by or accepted by a police force that is gullible, bends to political pressure, seeks high profile publicity and forgets that implementing basic policing skills would have prevented then being duped by 'Nick'
Like the media, the police have a split personality dealing with politicians and celebrities. On the one hand they are wary of causing ructions (look at the alleged behaviour in A Very English Scandal for a glaring example), on the other they rather fancy heroically "exposing" someone (the publicity engineered about the raid on Cliff's house was an example).
Years ago as as an MP I was stopped by a policeman for driving at 20 through a Derbyshire village late at night - he wondered if I might be drunk ("drunk drivers often drive with excessive caution"). He made it clear with a sly grin that he "knew who I was". I felt reasonably sure that he thought he might have scored a little coup.
The vote is and was legitimate. The question seems to be around undue influence and to what extent voters were hoodwinked.
Leave exaggerated claims as did Remain. Neither campaign covered themselves in glory.
A question Remain should be asking is why it was so unconvincing as to turn a 60:40 result on (average) opinion polling in the months leading up to it into a 52:48 loss, but it isn’t.
To the extent it is, it blames everyone else but itself.
Some Breiteeers place an inordinate amount of weight on the 2016 result and constantly implore Remainers to "understand why they lost", as if we need to seek repentance for having the temerity to hold a different view.
To be clear, any breach of the law is a breach of the law and should be punished. But, the average UK voter viewed the EU ref campaign as David v. Goliath. And rightly so.
They aren’t going to begrudge David for sneaking an extra small stone out of his pocket in the final few seconds to catapult up to an already teetering Goliath.
You're projecting. The average UK voter saw two well-funded campaigns with supposedly serious people on both sides.
The “understand why you lost” argument is a response to the claim the referendum divided the country
In my view it was already divided but the result just brought it to the media’s attention.
The response of some - not all - of the Remainers has been that the leave voters are stupid or unimportant and must be ignored because they (the Remainers) know what is best for the country. In that context “understand why you lost” is an important part of the healing process
I see “understand why you lost” more as an intra-elite game of one-upmanship where the Brexit elite seek to claim the mantle of being more in touch with ordinary people. This is why they're so desperate for the purity of their victory to be maintained.
Am just a bloke from down west who works for a living. What do I know about “intra-elite games of one-upmanship”?
She's even more toastier than Amber Rudd on the afternoon of April 29th
The immediate worry for the bet is Grayling, but he's just implementing Gov't policy so its more an admission the Tories have failed with the railways if he's sacked. For that reason I think he stays.
She's even more toastier than Amber Rudd on the afternoon of April 29th
The immediate worry for the bet is Grayling, but he's just implementing Gov't policy so its more an admission the Tories have failed with the railways if he's sacked. For that reason I think he stays.
The question is with we've got PMQs coming up which is when ministers are most vulnerable to getting sacked.
Can Jez do me a favour and absolutely hammer Mrs May on the liar McVey.
She's even more toastier than Amber Rudd on the afternoon of April 29th
The immediate worry for the bet is Grayling, but he's just implementing Gov't policy so its more an admission the Tories have failed with the railways if he's sacked. For that reason I think he stays.
The question is with we've got PMQs coming up which is when ministers are most vulnerable to getting sacked.
Can Jez do me a favour and absolutely hammer Mrs May on the liar McVey.
Can someone knock up a quick thread header with this tweet ? I know MPs read the blog, but not sure how many dive into the comments.
Ideally this is the journey Brexit -> Customs Union/EEA -> customs partnership/EEA/EFTA -> customs border with pre-clearance of key industries/EEA -> Bespoke deal which rolls everything into formal relationship with mutual recognition in key areas. Overall I'd say 10 years to get it done, unfortunately we're already two years behind schedule.
You're never going to get ten years of successive government committed to this yellow brick road.
So after England fantastic victory last night against the dirty cheating Colombian team everybody has being nice to one another right....looks down thread...nope, nothing changed here then, same arguments being repeated.
Ideally this is the journey Brexit -> Customs Union/EEA -> customs partnership/EEA/EFTA -> customs border with pre-clearance of key industries/EEA -> Bespoke deal which rolls everything into formal relationship with mutual recognition in key areas. Overall I'd say 10 years to get it done, unfortunately we're already two years behind schedule.
You're never going to get ten years of successive government committed to this yellow brick road.
Unless a government pledges to repeal the Brexit bill and the "EU/UK deal" bill then I don't see why not. Most of the heavy lifting won't be done by ministers anyway. Once we've got the outline of what the deal is and the implementation time frame agreed it will be mostly technical work that will be done by civil servants and industry.
So after England fantastic victory last night against the dirty cheating Colombian team everybody has being nice to one another right....looks down thread...nope, nothing changed here then, same arguments being repeated.
Leavers, remoaners and releavers alike all 'still believe' 'It's coming home' though, so not much to argue about.
Is moving Grayling to one of the largest departments by budget really sensible ?
It gets him out of transport where he is losing us the election.
...and into DWP and UC which will definitely help lose the election once the thousands and thousands who are on child tax credit find out what they are losing.
She's even more toastier than Amber Rudd on the afternoon of April 29th
The immediate worry for the bet is Grayling, but he's just implementing Gov't policy so its more an admission the Tories have failed with the railways if he's sacked. For that reason I think he stays.
The question is with we've got PMQs coming up which is when ministers are most vulnerable to getting sacked.
Can Jez do me a favour and absolutely hammer Mrs May on the liar McVey.
He'll mess it up. Probably lead on NHS and forget to ask about McVey once they get into an argument about whether Welsh NHS is a mess or not.
Is moving Grayling to one of the largest departments by budget really sensible ?
It gets him out of transport where he is losing us the election.
...and into DWP and UC which will definitely help lose the election once the thousands and thousands who are on child tax credit find out what they are losing.
I'd go for Cleverly if I was May. He looks to have the neccesary steel to push through the changes, and the public doesn't hold him in contempt like Grayling. Of course he'll make himself unpopular with the left but I expect he won't mind that too much.
Presumably de Gaulle was a Soviet puppet then - as he kept us out of the Common Market in the 1960s. Still hunting down an article from 1961 to prove a point in 2018 certainly shows perseverance!
She's even more toastier than Amber Rudd on the afternoon of April 29th
The immediate worry for the bet is Grayling, but he's just implementing Gov't policy so its more an admission the Tories have failed with the railways if he's sacked. For that reason I think he stays.
The question is with we've got PMQs coming up which is when ministers are most vulnerable to getting sacked.
Can Jez do me a favour and absolutely hammer Mrs May on the liar McVey.
He'll mess it up. Probably lead on NHS and forget to ask about McVey once they get into an argument about whether Welsh NHS is a mess or not.
Sounds like Corbyn. If Labour had a competent leader McVey would already be handing in her resignation letter.
Presumably de Gaulle was a Soviet puppet then - as he kept us out of the Common Market in the 1960s. Still hunting down an article from 1961 to prove a point in 2018 certainly shows perseverance!
Unless a government pledges to repeal the Brexit bill and the "EU/UK deal" bill then I don't see why not. Most of the heavy lifting won't be done by ministers anyway. Once we've got the outline of what the deal is and the implementation time frame agreed it will be mostly technical work that will be done by civil servants and industry.
They won't pledge anything; they will either fuck around with the arrangements because they think they know better or reverse them for ideological reasons.
The idea that an incoming Labour/Coalition of Shit government in 2022, whether helmed by Corbyn, Umunna or Danny Dyer, is going to quietly and diligently work to execute some 10 year tory Brexit plan is mental.
As with Robert, I have always said Brexit is a journey. Ideally we will do it in stages, I have no qualms about staying in the Customs Union for 3-5 years and then a customs partnership for another 2-4 years until we're ready with the tech to deal with a customs border. If the EU is happy to sign up to that then I think it's a good result. What we can't have is an indefinite timescale of staying in the Customs Union, I don't think that helps anyone plan anything because a future government will eventually get voted in on the basis of "proper Brexit".
I'm sorry, but when are people going to get it into their heads? Under EU treaty (article 28, I believe), it is impossible to leave the EU and remain in the customs union. In effect the EU *is* the customs union. When we leave the EU next March we also leave the customs union. (I learned this customs union fact on the blog www.eureferendum.com - a blog by someone who seems a great deal more knowledgeable about the EU and its treaties than many politicians and journalists.)
Ideally this is the journey Brexit -> Customs Union/EEA -> customs partnership/EEA/EFTA -> customs border with pre-clearance of key industries/EEA -> Bespoke deal which rolls everything into formal relationship with mutual recognition in key areas. Overall I'd say 10 years to get it done, unfortunately we're already two years behind schedule.
You're never going to get ten years of successive government committed to this yellow brick road.
What Leavers fear about BRINO is that it will both be popular and reversible.
He probably has a Cameronesque level of football knowledge tbf.
Politicians should stay well clear of pretending to have fantastic knowledge of football. From Cameron and his West Ham Villa to Corbyn quoting a Scotman's as one of the greatest English managers.
Actually, politicians and sport, music, popular tv...just be honest and say I don't watch Love Island, I prefer cricket to football and who the hell are the Arctic Monkeys.
Unless a government pledges to repeal the Brexit bill and the "EU/UK deal" bill then I don't see why not. Most of the heavy lifting won't be done by ministers anyway. Once we've got the outline of what the deal is and the implementation time frame agreed it will be mostly technical work that will be done by civil servants and industry.
They won't pledge anything; they will either fuck around with the arrangements because they think they know better or reverse them for ideological reasons.
The idea that an incoming Labour/Coalition of Shit government in 2022, whether helmed by Corbyn, Umunna or Danny Dyer, is going to quietly and diligently work to execute some 10 year tory Brexit plan is mental.
I don't see how Corbyn and his coalition of c**** would win in 2022 if the Brexit deal is seen as acceptable to enough leavers and remainers. If anything the campaign would be "don't let Jez and Nicola fuck it up".
I read PB most days. Even though I never bet. I read for the political news and analysis, which is excellent. And why the site is held in such high regard.
Although, actual betters should keep in mind, the Lib Dem tinted glasses do sometimes mean what is presented as a possibility, is often , more just wishful thinking.
Actually that goes for most arguments from any given political perspective.
But much of the analysis is, as you say, nonetheless interesting.
Bit worried about this Amesbury news. It's where I do my food shopping. The road where the couple were found, Muggleton Road, isn't on google maps, so I'm guessing is hidden as so close to Boscombe?
Unless a government pledges to repeal the Brexit bill and the "EU/UK deal" bill then I don't see why not. Most of the heavy lifting won't be done by ministers anyway. Once we've got the outline of what the deal is and the implementation time frame agreed it will be mostly technical work that will be done by civil servants and industry.
They won't pledge anything; they will either fuck around with the arrangements because they think they know better or reverse them for ideological reasons.
The idea that an incoming Labour/Coalition of Shit government in 2022, whether helmed by Corbyn, Umunna or Danny Dyer, is going to quietly and diligently work to execute some 10 year tory Brexit plan is mental.
I don't see how Corbyn and his coalition of c**** would win in 2022 if the Brexit deal is seen as acceptable to enough leavers and remainers. If anything the campaign would be "don't let Jez and Nicola fuck it up".
Unless a government pledges to repeal the Brexit bill and the "EU/UK deal" bill then I don't see why not. Most of the heavy lifting won't be done by ministers anyway. Once we've got the outline of what the deal is and the implementation time frame agreed it will be mostly technical work that will be done by civil servants and industry.
They won't pledge anything; they will either fuck around with the arrangements because they think they know better or reverse them for ideological reasons.
The idea that an incoming Labour/Coalition of Shit government in 2022, whether helmed by Corbyn, Umunna or Danny Dyer, is going to quietly and diligently work to execute some 10 year tory Brexit plan is mental.
I don't see how Corbyn and his coalition of c**** would win in 2022 if the Brexit deal is seen as acceptable to enough leavers and remainers. If anything the campaign would be "don't let Jez and Nicola fuck it up".
How will you deal with the "Brexit isn't working" posters at the first sign of recession?
Bit worried about this Amesbury news. It's where I do my food shopping. The road where the couple were found, Muggleton Road, isn't on google maps, so I'm guessing is hidden as so close to Boscombe?
It looks like a new build estate so probably just not been added to Google Maps yet.
Unless a government pledges to repeal the Brexit bill and the "EU/UK deal" bill then I don't see why not. Most of the heavy lifting won't be done by ministers anyway. Once we've got the outline of what the deal is and the implementation time frame agreed it will be mostly technical work that will be done by civil servants and industry.
They won't pledge anything; they will either fuck around with the arrangements because they think they know better or reverse them for ideological reasons.
The idea that an incoming Labour/Coalition of Shit government in 2022, whether helmed by Corbyn, Umunna or Danny Dyer, is going to quietly and diligently work to execute some 10 year tory Brexit plan is mental.
Beggars belief that anyone could think that would happen. I'd add - there are more than a few shades of Tory who would similarly not want to go ahead with this plan.
Bit worried about this Amesbury news. It's where I do my food shopping. The road where the couple were found, Muggleton Road, isn't on google maps, so I'm guessing is hidden as so close to Boscombe?
Given they have allowed super high def aerial of the MoD site on google maps, I am not sure that is the reason.
Unless a government pledges to repeal the Brexit bill and the "EU/UK deal" bill then I don't see why not. Most of the heavy lifting won't be done by ministers anyway. Once we've got the outline of what the deal is and the implementation time frame agreed it will be mostly technical work that will be done by civil servants and industry.
They won't pledge anything; they will either fuck around with the arrangements because they think they know better or reverse them for ideological reasons.
The idea that an incoming Labour/Coalition of Shit government in 2022, whether helmed by Corbyn, Umunna or Danny Dyer, is going to quietly and diligently work to execute some 10 year tory Brexit plan is mental.
Beggars belief that anyone could think that would happen. I'd add - there are more than a few shades of Tory who would similarly not want to go ahead with this plan.
Moreover as @simonmaxwell implies downthread, given that replicating the customs union as a non-member requires negotiation with the EU, what's in it for them to agree to this plan?
Presumably de Gaulle was a Soviet puppet then - as he kept us out of the Common Market in the 1960s. Still hunting down an article from 1961 to prove a point in 2018 certainly shows perseverance!
Incorrect assumption.
I agree - that's the point. The fact that two people may disapprove of or oppose something doesn't mean they do so for the same reason or that one is acting under the direction of the other.
Bit worried about this Amesbury news. It's where I do my food shopping. The road where the couple were found, Muggleton Road, isn't on google maps, so I'm guessing is hidden as so close to Boscombe?
It looks like a new build estate so probably just not been added to Google Maps yet.
It’s on my phone. Google Muggleton Rd, Salisbury, although it’s nearer, but S of,Amesbury. Just off the A345
Bit worried about this Amesbury news. It's where I do my food shopping. The road where the couple were found, Muggleton Road, isn't on google maps, so I'm guessing is hidden as so close to Boscombe?
Given they have allowed super high def aerial of the MoD site on google maps, I am not sure that is the reason.
I think I've found the high def pictures of Muggleton Road being built! Just next to Amesbury cricket club.
He probably has a Cameronesque level of football knowledge tbf.
Politicians should stay well clear of pretending to have fantastic knowledge of football. From Cameron and his West Ham Villa to Corbyn quoting a Scotman's as one of the greatest English managers.
Agreed politicians should avoid pretending.
However, Corbyn is undoubtedly a genuine football fan (turns up week after week at the Emirates) and what he said was "here's an inspirational message from one of our country's finest ever football managers" - hard to deny that Shankly wasn't one of the finest managers in English football.
Ideally this is the journey Brexit -> Customs Union/EEA -> customs partnership/EEA/EFTA -> customs border with pre-clearance of key industries/EEA -> Bespoke deal which rolls everything into formal relationship with mutual recognition in key areas. Overall I'd say 10 years to get it done, unfortunately we're already two years behind schedule.
You're never going to get ten years of successive government committed to this yellow brick road.
What Leavers fear about BRINO is that it will both be popular and reversible.
Does BRINO = BINO? Or is there a new acronym I need to learn?
Is there a point attending a postal vote verification (the day before polling day) other than to check if massive fraud is occuring?
It might help you work out what turnout might be like and the result.
It could help you improve your GOTV
So they do visibly open them then?
I meant if there's only 20 postal votes in total and you were expecting 100 it means turnout is going to be low and the side that gets out their vote on the day could win.
She's even more toastier than Amber Rudd on the afternoon of April 29th
The immediate worry for the bet is Grayling, but he's just implementing Gov't policy so its more an admission the Tories have failed with the railways if he's sacked. For that reason I think he stays.
The question is with we've got PMQs coming up which is when ministers are most vulnerable to getting sacked.
Can Jez do me a favour and absolutely hammer Mrs May on the liar McVey.
Theresa May won't want to sack anyone two days before the Chequers meeting at which any number of ministers might walk out.
Unless a government pledges to repeal the Brexit bill and the "EU/UK deal" bill then I don't see why not. Most of the heavy lifting won't be done by ministers anyway. Once we've got the outline of what the deal is and the implementation time frame agreed it will be mostly technical work that will be done by civil servants and industry.
They won't pledge anything; they will either fuck around with the arrangements because they think they know better or reverse them for ideological reasons.
The idea that an incoming Labour/Coalition of Shit government in 2022, whether helmed by Corbyn, Umunna or Danny Dyer, is going to quietly and diligently work to execute some 10 year tory Brexit plan is mental.
I don't see how Corbyn and his coalition of c**** would win in 2022 if the Brexit deal is seen as acceptable to enough leavers and remainers. If anything the campaign would be "don't let Jez and Nicola fuck it up".
*Sigh* another rant about whether Brexit is a good idea. Getting dull; we all know where we stand and wherever swing voters are, they aren't posting here.
But I don't think I've shared before how our family was contacted by the various campaigns, showed something about the organisation on both sides.
The Leave side rang me months beforehand (said it was a councillor ring-round) heard I was leaning Remain. I also signed up to their Euro football predictor which included a mandatory 'How likely 0-10 are you to support Brexit?'
The Remain side never contacted me. My wife - an EU citizen so unable to vote - received a letter from Karren Brady a few days beforehand. And a good (councillor) friend with a postal vote was phoned up a few days before, about how to get to his polling station.
That suggested to me that remain - for all their talk of being the well-funded machine - were making simple errors and wasting much of the resource that they did have. For all the talk of high concepts, my perception was that Vote Leave were much better organised than they liked to admit, and Stronger In a bit of a shambles.
I just don’t understand how the people on here don’t understand democracy. If Labour had lied tied their way into power last year with their nonsense manifesto that even a five year old could see could not be financed then it would have been democratic to let them make it work. I don’t agree with far left politics, and I think it would be immediately severe to economic prospects for the country, and in turn that would cause social problems. Look at Venezuela! This is how politics works, and I would have to get on with my life in those circumstances, including supporting the government through taxation, or I would have to leave the country.
The lying yes, they'd have got to do the full term, although this is a bit different in that the results are harder for a subsequent parliament to reverse; You'd have to convince 27 member states to let the UK back in, and get all their various parliaments and heads of state to ratify it, whereas if it was a left-wing government you'd just re-privatize the shops and ask the Royal Navy to stop blockading Israel and you'd be on your way.
But if they'd broken the law in any significant way then the elections in the seats where they'd done that would have been re-run. That's what happened in Oldham East.
She's even more toastier than Amber Rudd on the afternoon of April 29th
The immediate worry for the bet is Grayling, but he's just implementing Gov't policy so its more an admission the Tories have failed with the railways if he's sacked. For that reason I think he stays.
The question is with we've got PMQs coming up which is when ministers are most vulnerable to getting sacked.
Can Jez do me a favour and absolutely hammer Mrs May on the liar McVey.
There's a decent chance he will go for it. This ought to end McVey's chances of being leader, although who knows!?
Is there a point attending a postal vote verification (the day before polling day) other than to check if massive fraud is occuring?
It might help you work out what turnout might be like and the result.
It could help you improve your GOTV
So they do visibly open them then?
I meant if there's only 20 postal votes in total and you were expecting 100 it means turnout is going to be low and the side that gets out their vote on the day could win.
Ah, OK. Our operation isn't that sophisticated! Thanks.
That's so far from scanning it makes you wonder if he even knows the tune.
Mark Wallace had a better go at it.
"I’m very good at theories if they’re Marxist economical/ My view on Labour hist’ry is not Red Tory canonical/ In short the revolution will be doomed by procrastinators/ I am the very model of the Corbynite commentators
I spent my youth in praise of those who waved red flags in lands afar/ Who doesn’t like a revolution named for Simon Bolivar?/ If things go wrong and people die it doesn’t count as socialist/ I am the very model of a Corbynite rhetoricist.
I know what evry bit of LGBTQ2S stands for/ I feel a bit uncomfy at the theme of 1984/ I think you are to blame for any offence I have ever felt/ And anyone who disagrees will be ignored ‘cos they’re a melt.
I can deploy a Twitter search to ascertain your purity/ At any sign of deviance you'll be banished to obscurity/ It isn't very nice if you are exiled from our Corbyn club/ *mutters*...Corbyn club, Corbyn club...aha! Just like that @EddieMarsan who prefers a dinner to a pub
On matters journalistic, the MSM all lie to me/ I'd rather get some honest news from Skwawkbox or the Canary/ My views on Laura Kuenssberg would ashame an ISIS jihadist/ I am the very model of a kinder gentler Corbynist"
So after England fantastic victory last night against the dirty cheating Colombian team everybody has being nice to one another right....looks down thread...nope, nothing changed here then, same arguments being repeated.
Just an update on my status, I'm supporting Sweden in the next game. Unless they suddenly start being as dirty as the Columbians.
That's so far from scanning it makes you wonder if he even knows the tune.
Mark Wallace had a better go at it.
"I’m very good at theories if they’re Marxist economical/ My view on Labour hist’ry is not Red Tory canonical/ In short the revolution will be doomed by procrastinators/ I am the very model of the Corbynite commentators
I spent my youth in praise of those who waved red flags in lands afar/ Who doesn’t like a revolution named for Simon Bolivar?/ If things go wrong and people die it doesn’t count as socialist/ I am the very model of a Corbynite rhetoricist.
I know what evry bit of LGBTQ2S stands for/ I feel a bit uncomfy at the theme of 1984/ I think you are to blame for any offence I have ever felt/ And anyone who disagrees will be ignored ‘cos they’re a melt.
I can deploy a Twitter search to ascertain your purity/ At any sign of deviance you'll be banished to obscurity/ It isn't very nice if you are exiled from our Corbyn club/ *mutters*...Corbyn club, Corbyn club...aha! Just like that @EddieMarsan who prefers a dinner to a pub
On matters journalistic, the MSM all lie to me/ I'd rather get some honest news from Skwawkbox or the Canary/ My views on Laura Kuenssberg would ashame an ISIS jihadist/ I am the very model of a kinder gentler Corbynist"
That is superb (except the first verse, which is a bit weak). But the in-jokes and the use of rhythm - not just in where it naturally fits but in where it's forced for comic effect - is nothing short of brilliant, and the sign-off - pairing Corbynist with jihadist and then throwing 'kinder, gentler' into the mix, while not quite rhyming, is sufficiently provocative in its multiple juxtaposition to be superb.
That's so far from scanning it makes you wonder if he even knows the tune.
Mark Wallace had a better go at it.
"I’m very good at theories if they’re Marxist economical/ My view on Labour hist’ry is not Red Tory canonical/ In short the revolution will be doomed by procrastinators/ I am the very model of the Corbynite commentators
I spent my youth in praise of those who waved red flags in lands afar/ Who doesn’t like a revolution named for Simon Bolivar?/ If things go wrong and people die it doesn’t count as socialist/ I am the very model of a Corbynite rhetoricist.
I know what evry bit of LGBTQ2S stands for/ I feel a bit uncomfy at the theme of 1984/ I think you are to blame for any offence I have ever felt/ And anyone who disagrees will be ignored ‘cos they’re a melt.
I can deploy a Twitter search to ascertain your purity/ At any sign of deviance you'll be banished to obscurity/ It isn't very nice if you are exiled from our Corbyn club/ *mutters*...Corbyn club, Corbyn club...aha! Just like that @EddieMarsan who prefers a dinner to a pub
On matters journalistic, the MSM all lie to me/ I'd rather get some honest news from Skwawkbox or the Canary/ My views on Laura Kuenssberg would ashame an ISIS jihadist/ I am the very model of a kinder gentler Corbynist"
It's better but not up to Gilbert's standard. He'd have had a field day were he alive in this Trumpian, Brexit era.
As an aside, someone could surely stage a very funny Mikado or Pinafore, set with a Brexit libretto. (Sir Joseph Porter replaced by Jean-Claude Juncker: "I am the chief of the EU/ Though never voted for by you".)
However we probably ought to wait and see how/when/if Brexit ends before attempting it!
IIUC they signed up for either this or a border at the Irish Sea, they might have thought they'd be getting the second one and the DUP was going to get screwed not them.
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As with Robert, I have always said Brexit is a journey. Ideally we will do it in stages, I have no qualms about staying in the Customs Union for 3-5 years and then a customs partnership for another 2-4 years until we're ready with the tech to deal with a customs border. If the EU is happy to sign up to that then I think it's a good result. What we can't have is an indefinite timescale of staying in the Customs Union, I don't think that helps anyone plan anything because a future government will eventually get voted in on the basis of "proper Brexit".
Ideally this is the journey Brexit -> Customs Union/EEA -> customs partnership/EEA/EFTA -> customs border with pre-clearance of key industries/EEA -> Bespoke deal which rolls everything into formal relationship with mutual recognition in key areas. Overall I'd say 10 years to get it done, unfortunately we're already two years behind schedule.
https://twitter.com/OptaJoe/status/1014194402355539968?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1014194402355539968&ref_url=https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-news-transfers-live-lyon-14863047
Especially 'What we can't have is an indefinite timescale of staying in the Customs Union'. The deal, for it to stand, needs to be taking us out, however slowly, of the low-earth orbit of the EU.
Years ago as as an MP I was stopped by a policeman for driving at 20 through a Derbyshire village late at night - he wondered if I might be drunk ("drunk drivers often drive with excessive caution"). He made it clear with a sly grin that he "knew who I was". I felt reasonably sure that he thought he might have scored a little coup.
https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/1014437060449656833
https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/1014439439345553408
https://twitter.com/MarinaHyde/status/1014429755779833856
She's even more toastier than Amber Rudd on the afternoon of April 29th
Can Jez do me a favour and absolutely hammer Mrs May on the liar McVey.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/07/04/major-incident-inamesbury-unknown-substance-leaves-two-people/
At least as terminal for Sir Amyas Morse if he has it wrong.
Solid oak from ear to ear.
Of course he'll make himself unpopular with the left but I expect he won't mind that too much.
In a referendum, the "traitors" are your family, friends and neighbours.
That was obvious after the Scottish vote, and why it so much more visceral than any election.
The idea that an incoming Labour/Coalition of Shit government in 2022, whether helmed by Corbyn, Umunna or Danny Dyer, is going to quietly and diligently work to execute some 10 year tory Brexit plan is mental.
Actually, politicians and sport, music, popular tv...just be honest and say I don't watch Love Island, I prefer cricket to football and who the hell are the Arctic Monkeys.
But much of the analysis is, as you say, nonetheless interesting.
Is there a point attending a postal vote verification (the day before polling day) other than to check if massive fraud is occuring?
It could help you improve your GOTV
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2018/07/03/china-faces-perfect-storm-currency-plunges-trump-opens-fire/?li_source=LI&li_medium=li-recommendation-widget
However, Corbyn is undoubtedly a genuine football fan (turns up week after week at the Emirates) and what he said was "here's an inspirational message from one of our country's finest ever football managers" - hard to deny that Shankly wasn't one of the finest managers in English football.
But I don't think I've shared before how our family was contacted by the various campaigns, showed something about the organisation on both sides.
The Leave side rang me months beforehand (said it was a councillor ring-round) heard I was leaning Remain. I also signed up to their Euro football predictor which included a mandatory 'How likely 0-10 are you to support Brexit?'
The Remain side never contacted me. My wife - an EU citizen so unable to vote - received a letter from Karren Brady a few days beforehand. And a good (councillor) friend with a postal vote was phoned up a few days before, about how to get to his polling station.
That suggested to me that remain - for all their talk of being the well-funded machine - were making simple errors and wasting much of the resource that they did have. For all the talk of high concepts, my perception was that Vote Leave were much better organised than they liked to admit, and Stronger In a bit of a shambles.
But if they'd broken the law in any significant way then the elections in the seats where they'd done that would have been re-run. That's what happened in Oldham East.
https://twitter.com/Felicity_Baker/status/1014249926186946560
(Dandolo was also blind).
https://twitter.com/paulmasonnews/status/1014264132818829315
https://twitter.com/stephenkb/status/1014440290642481152
That's so far from scanning it makes you wonder if he even knows the tune.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAN39vT4PN8
Where can I get a proletarian passport - does it give you freedom of movement to Tuscany and the south of France?
"I’m very good at theories if they’re Marxist economical/ My view on Labour hist’ry is not Red Tory canonical/ In short the revolution will be doomed by procrastinators/ I am the very model of the Corbynite commentators
I spent my youth in praise of those who waved red flags in lands afar/ Who doesn’t like a revolution named for Simon Bolivar?/ If things go wrong and people die it doesn’t count as socialist/ I am the very model of a Corbynite rhetoricist.
I know what evry bit of LGBTQ2S stands for/ I feel a bit uncomfy at the theme of 1984/ I think you are to blame for any offence I have ever felt/ And anyone who disagrees will be ignored ‘cos they’re a melt.
I can deploy a Twitter search to ascertain your purity/ At any sign of deviance you'll be banished to obscurity/ It isn't very nice if you are exiled from our Corbyn club/ *mutters*...Corbyn club, Corbyn club...aha! Just like that @EddieMarsan who prefers a dinner to a pub
On matters journalistic, the MSM all lie to me/ I'd rather get some honest news from Skwawkbox or the Canary/ My views on Laura Kuenssberg would ashame an ISIS jihadist/ I am the very model of a kinder gentler Corbynist"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/07/04/major-incident-inamesbury-unknown-substance-leaves-two-people/
Applause across the House.
Didn't the ERG read what they signed up for?
https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/1014463706095390720
As an aside, someone could surely stage a very funny Mikado or Pinafore, set with a Brexit libretto. (Sir Joseph Porter replaced by Jean-Claude Juncker: "I am the chief of the EU/ Though never voted for by you".)
However we probably ought to wait and see how/when/if Brexit ends before attempting it!
Why is Corbyn going on about buses when its a local government responsibility?
Might as well lead on manhole covers.
Tezza visibly relieved she's getting such an easy ride.