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  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,546

    Oh dear Theresa. Oh dear.

    What on earth has she done?
    "When we leave the UK"....when she meant "EU"......easy slip of the tongue.

    Why is Corbyn going on about buses when its a local government responsibility?
    Has maureen from Margate been writing to him again?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,060

    Oh dear Theresa. Oh dear.

    What on earth has she done?
    "When we leave the UK"....when she meant "EU"......easy slip of the tongue.

    Why is Corbyn going on about buses when its a local government responsibility?
    No idea
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    brendan16 said:

    Has Paul Mason done an Ancestry DNA test? Piers Morgan discovered live on GMB he did not have even have an ounce of Englishness.

    Where can I get a proletarian passport - does it give you freedom of movement to Tuscany and the south of France?
    https://twitter.com/AaronBell80/status/1014458727347441664
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,316
    Corbyn has the same view of bus users as I do.

    They are used by peasants and failures in life.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,108
    Jezza simply awful.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,546
    edited July 2018

    Pulpstar said:

    Yeah she should be toast.

    She's even more toastier than Amber Rudd on the afternoon of April 29th

    The immediate worry for the bet is Grayling, but he's just implementing Gov't policy so its more an admission the Tories have failed with the railways if he's sacked. For that reason I think he stays.
    The question is with we've got PMQs coming up which is when ministers are most vulnerable to getting sacked.

    Can Jez do me a favour and absolutely hammer Mrs May on the liar McVey.
    He'll mess it up. Probably lead on NHS and forget to ask about McVey once they get into an argument about whether Welsh NHS is a mess or not.
    Somebody called it down thread.....accept it is “on the buses” edition of PMQs
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,864

    Corbyn has the same view of bus users as I do.

    They are used by peasants and failures in life.

    And elderly people. Much safer to get the bus to our local cricket ground and have a few beers than drive there and sit soberly!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,487

    Pulpstar said:

    Yeah she should be toast.

    She's even more toastier than Amber Rudd on the afternoon of April 29th

    The immediate worry for the bet is Grayling, but he's just implementing Gov't policy so its more an admission the Tories have failed with the railways if he's sacked. For that reason I think he stays.
    The question is with we've got PMQs coming up which is when ministers are most vulnerable to getting sacked.

    Can Jez do me a favour and absolutely hammer Mrs May on the liar McVey.
    He'll mess it up. Probably lead on NHS and forget to ask about McVey once they get into an argument about whether Welsh NHS is a mess or not.
    Somebody called it down thread.....
    I thought he would do NHS as it is 70 years this week iirc. But no, Jezza has gone for buses.
  • brendan16brendan16 Posts: 2,315
    Corbyn is going big on buses in PMQs - and for once a debate on buses has nothing to do with Brexit.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,546

    Corbyn has the same view of bus users as I do.

    They are used by peasants and failures in life.

    And elderly people. Much safer to get the bus to our local cricket ground and have a few beers than drive there and sit soberly!
    The cricket that bad?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,060
    TOPPING said:

    Jezza simply awful.

    Good job he doesn't take England's penalities. He would have hit the corner flag

    He is simply hopeless
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,108
    edited July 2018
    Tezza easy win. In different, normal times a good set of questions for the LOTO but these are not normal times.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,546
    I can only presume that social media team have decided they need some footage of corbyn ranting about buses for the Facebook / twitter.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,864

    Corbyn has the same view of bus users as I do.

    They are used by peasants and failures in life.

    And elderly people. Much safer to get the bus to our local cricket ground and have a few beers than drive there and sit soberly!
    The cricket that bad?
    Celebratory drinks, actually.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,060
    TOPPING said:

    Tezza easy win.

    She was up against a complete muppet
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,316
    Oh I forgot today is the 242nd anniversary of the day the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland decided we'd much rather have India than America.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,487

    I can only presume that social media team have decided they need some footage of corbyn ranting about buses for the Facebook / twitter.

    :+1:
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,314
    Buses? Who gives a fuck about those anyway?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,487
    Once again it takes the SNP leader to actually ask a topical question.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Guido on how the Electoral Commission's evidence taking (or lack thereof...):

    https://order-order.com/2018/07/04/electoral-commission-ignored-evidence-that-would-have-disproved-central-claims/
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    Theresa May has been better at PMQs these past couple of weeks (it says here -- I missed it). Still doubt my inference from the recent kneecapping of various ministers that there is a new spin team at Number Ten?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,617
    Esther will come up in next weeks PMQs I expect. Corbyn is like an oil tanker on moving subjects.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,941

    Oh dear Theresa. Oh dear.

    What on earth has she done?
    Misspoke but it was funny and she took it well
    Misspoke how?
    Said when we leave the UK instead of EU
    Are you sure it was a mistake?
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,314

    Pulpstar said:

    Yeah she should be toast.

    She's even more toastier than Amber Rudd on the afternoon of April 29th

    The immediate worry for the bet is Grayling, but he's just implementing Gov't policy so its more an admission the Tories have failed with the railways if he's sacked. For that reason I think he stays.
    The question is with we've got PMQs coming up which is when ministers are most vulnerable to getting sacked.

    Can Jez do me a favour and absolutely hammer Mrs May on the liar McVey.
    He'll mess it up. Probably lead on NHS Buses(!) and forget to ask about McVey once they get into an argument about whether Welsh NHS Bus is a mess or not.
    Almost right @rottenborough :D
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,922

    Nigelb said:

    MaxPB said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    MaxPB said:



    Unless a government pledges to repeal the Brexit bill and the "EU/UK deal" bill then I don't see why not. Most of the heavy lifting won't be done by ministers anyway. Once we've got the outline of what the deal is and the implementation time frame agreed it will be mostly technical work that will be done by civil servants and industry.

    They won't pledge anything; they will either fuck around with the arrangements because they think they know better or reverse them for ideological reasons.

    The idea that an incoming Labour/Coalition of Shit government in 2022, whether helmed by Corbyn, Umunna or Danny Dyer, is going to quietly and diligently work to execute some 10 year tory Brexit plan is mental.
    I don't see how Corbyn and his coalition of c**** would win in 2022 if the Brexit deal is seen as acceptable to enough leavers and remainers. If anything the campaign would be "don't let Jez and Nicola fuck it up".
    Corbyn 2027, then... ?
    :smile:
    B%^&*y H£$l how old will he be then?
    Old socialists never die.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216

    Oh I forgot today is the 242nd anniversary of the day the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland decided we'd much rather have India than America.

    "Thanksgiving Day"
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,487
    MaxPB said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Yeah she should be toast.

    She's even more toastier than Amber Rudd on the afternoon of April 29th

    The immediate worry for the bet is Grayling, but he's just implementing Gov't policy so its more an admission the Tories have failed with the railways if he's sacked. For that reason I think he stays.
    The question is with we've got PMQs coming up which is when ministers are most vulnerable to getting sacked.

    Can Jez do me a favour and absolutely hammer Mrs May on the liar McVey.
    He'll mess it up. Probably lead on NHS Buses(!) and forget to ask about McVey once they get into an argument about whether Welsh NHS Bus is a mess or not.
    Almost right @rottenborough :D
    Not too difficult to predict frankly :lol:
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,258
    They want us to pull out of the World Cup, don't they?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    edited July 2018
    Marsha De Cordova MP (Battersea, Labour) going on McVey. PM says McVey will correct the record post PMQ.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,487
    McVey is asked about by Labour backbencher who is reading a script.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,546
    Perhaps Jezza misheard his team when they told him go do PMQs like a boss..
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,537
    MaxPB said:

    Buses? Who gives a fuck about those anyway?

    A great deal of elderly and poor voters. London has plenty, but when the one to your Leics village gets chopped, you are cut off.
  • El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 4,240

    Why is Corbyn going on about buses when its a local government responsibility?

    Because central government cuts to local authority funding have meant they've had to cut/remove bus subsidies? It's an austerity issue, basically, and austerity is a Westminster policy.

    Not sure whether Corbyn is raising this to weaponise it as an issue in future Labour campaigning, or simply because he likes buses. He didn't deliver it in a particularly effective way, but it's a valid question.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,060

    McVey is asked about by Labour backbencher who is reading a script.

    She is to correct the record after PMQ's in the House
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,487
    Faisal hasn't quite got Jezza's method of operation yet has he?

    https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1014469464723779585
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
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  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,617
    edited July 2018
    Google maps informs me it'd take me 2 hours to get home by bus ! Cost me more than the car too.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,060

    Oh dear Theresa. Oh dear.

    What on earth has she done?
    Misspoke but it was funny and she took it well
    Misspoke how?
    Said when we leave the UK instead of EU
    Are you sure it was a mistake?
    Yes and it was funny. We need more humour in our lives
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,060
    30 minutes in and no Brexit question so far
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited July 2018

    Perhaps Jezza misheard his team when they told him go do PMQs like a boss..

    V good. He probably got all flustered by the word 'boss' given they're to blame for all of our ills.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216

    Why is Corbyn going on about buses when its a local government responsibility?

    Because central government cuts to local authority funding have meant they've had to cut/remove bus subsidies? It's an austerity issue, basically, and austerity is a Westminster policy.

    Not sure whether Corbyn is raising this to weaponise it as an issue in future Labour campaigning, or simply because he likes buses. He didn't deliver it in a particularly effective way, but it's a valid question.
    On that basis "everything" is a Westminster responsibility. Labour don't believe in devolution, only in top-down control. I doubt May had any briefing on buses, but next week will have tractor stats on 'buses in Wales' etc.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,382
    edited July 2018
    Rather off topic, my final fires update for the time being:

    Situation on the main fires much improved: all the following peaked at between 50 and 70 hotspots on the Copernicus VIIRS infra-red system:

    Saddleworth Moor down to a single hotspot, Otterburn Range down to 2, Winter Hill still shows 17, and a grey haze, but the number of hotspots has been reducing day by day.

    Still a couple of small 5 hotspot fires in Gwynedd and the Valleys, whilst Larkhill in Wiltshire (again a firing range and not so many miles from Amesbury) comes second place on the hotspot detector with 8.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,316
    Pulpstar said:

    Google maps informs me it'd take me 2 hours to get home by bus ! Cost me more than the car too.

    Would take me nearly 4 hours to get to work on the bus.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,617

    Pulpstar said:

    Google maps informs me it'd take me 2 hours to get home by bus ! Cost me more than the car too.

    Would take me nearly 4 hours to get to work on the bus.
    Yes but your commute is probably longer than 18 miles ;)
  • notmenotme Posts: 3,293

    Why is Corbyn going on about buses when its a local government responsibility?

    Because central government cuts to local authority funding have meant they've had to cut/remove bus subsidies? It's an austerity issue, basically, and austerity is a Westminster policy.

    Not sure whether Corbyn is raising this to weaponise it as an issue in future Labour campaigning, or simply because he likes buses. He didn't deliver it in a particularly effective way, but it's a valid question.
    On that basis "everything" is a Westminster responsibility. Labour don't believe in devolution, only in top-down control. I doubt May had any briefing on buses, but next week will have tractor stats on 'buses in Wales' etc.
    Bus subsidies are a relatively new things, brought in largely by the 1997 onwards labout government, with direct rural bus subsidies and the national concessionary fare programs. Te latter no makes up the biggest chunk of subsidy.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,546
    edited July 2018
    Jezza's PMQ performance,

    image
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,786
    Pulpstar said:

    Google maps informs me it'd take me 2 hours to get home by bus ! Cost me more than the car too.

    Just looking up my journey home. it'll be over 1hr, with 2 buses, and walking, with public transport, or about 20mins in the car...

    So thats an extra 80mins a day, probably longer if delays and things don't match up....no thanks.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,518
    Can't believe the attitude to buses on here.
    Sounding like a Metropolitan elite echo chamber.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,546
    dixiedean said:

    Can't believe the attitude to buses on here.
    Sounding like a Metropolitan elite echo chamber.

    How long have you posted on here, where regular discussions include first / business class flights, fine wines and world class restaurants.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,487
    dixiedean said:

    Can't believe the attitude to buses on here.
    Sounding like a Metropolitan elite echo chamber.

    The bus that used to run down our next street and all the way into the centre of town was cut years ago. I'm still angry about it.

    So, yes buses a good thing to ask about. But today? When he had so many other open goals available.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,316
    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Google maps informs me it'd take me 2 hours to get home by bus ! Cost me more than the car too.

    Would take me nearly 4 hours to get to work on the bus.
    Yes but your commute is probably longer than 18 miles ;)
    Only 20 miles more.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,518

    dixiedean said:

    Can't believe the attitude to buses on here.
    Sounding like a Metropolitan elite echo chamber.

    How long have you posted on here, where regular discussions include first / business class flights, fine wines and world class restaurants.
    Oops. Yes, sorry I forgot.
    Temporary loss of senses. I blame the heat.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,723
    dixiedean said:

    Can't believe the attitude to buses on here.
    Sounding like a Metropolitan elite echo chamber.

    Buses are a vital part of our transport system. I use a bus every day in Aberdeen to go the 6 miles each way to my current client office. I get a week long ticket which coats me £12.50 and allows me travel anywhere in Aberdeen. Really good value for money and the buses are pretty packed as well.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    dixiedean said:

    Can't believe the attitude to buses on here.
    Sounding like a Metropolitan elite echo chamber.

    The Metropolis has a very good bus service......its rural areas that Corbyn should have been going on about....but there be Tories......
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,592
    MaxPB said:

    Also, it looks like growth has picked up again, even against the background of a dysfunctional government and no direction for Brexit. My guess is we're looking at 0.3% Q1 final and 0.4% Q2 initial which will get revised to 0.5% final. Full year growth will come in at between 1.6% and 1.9% IMO. If the government negotiates a deal the minimises trade disruption and plots a long term exit from the Customs Union (as has been suggested) then I expect next year we will see growth jump.

    As with Robert, I have always said Brexit is a journey. Ideally we will do it in stages, I have no qualms about staying in the Customs Union for 3-5 years and then a customs partnership for another 2-4 years until we're ready with the tech to deal with a customs border. If the EU is happy to sign up to that then I think it's a good result. What we can't have is an indefinite timescale of staying in the Customs Union, I don't think that helps anyone plan anything because a future government will eventually get voted in on the basis of "proper Brexit".

    Ideally this is the journey Brexit -> Customs Union/EEA -> customs partnership/EEA/EFTA -> customs border with pre-clearance of key industries/EEA -> Bespoke deal which rolls everything into formal relationship with mutual recognition in key areas. Overall I'd say 10 years to get it done, unfortunately we're already two years behind schedule.

    Not happening.


    Far more likely is transition deal until 2021 then WTO terms for 7 years whether the Tories or Corbyn win in 2022 while we try and get a FTA with the EU then we return to the single market and customs union after Chuka Umunna wins the 2027 general election having had 7 years of no free movement as Blair should have taken from 2004 to 2011 had he imposed transition controls on free movement from the new accession countries
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,839
    The ERG are paper tigers with gammon faces and M&S suits. They will do fuck all.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621

    dixiedean said:

    Can't believe the attitude to buses on here.
    Sounding like a Metropolitan elite echo chamber.

    The Metropolis has a very good bus service......its rural areas that Corbyn should have been going on about....but there be Tories......
    But more importantly: where's the photo of Saint Jeremy having to sit on the floor of a crowded bus?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,592

    Oh I forgot today is the 242nd anniversary of the day the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland decided we'd much rather have India than America.

    I believe King George IIIrd wanted both, greedy or not unfortunately the American colonists decided otherwise
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,980

    Oh I forgot today is the 242nd anniversary of the day the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland decided we'd much rather have India than America.

    It's not.

    Nor is it the anniversary of the US deciding to commit to independence either.
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    The 1985 deregulation screwed buses and helped the rise of the SNP as the Gloags were major donors.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited July 2018
    *snipped max's email*
    HYUFD said:

    Far more likely is transition deal until 2021 then WTO terms for 7 years whether the Tories or Corbyn win in 2022 while we try and get a FTA with the EU then we return to the single market and customs union after Chuka Umunna wins the 2027 general election having had 7 years of no free movement as Blair should have taken from 2004 to 2011 had he imposed transition controls on free movement from the new accession countries

    Hang on, I thought you said a FTA was in the bag? About 10,000 times. What happened?

    EDIT: An FTA or a FTA?
  • notmenotme Posts: 3,293
    edited July 2018
    brendan16 said:

    Corbyn is going big on buses in PMQs - and for once a debate on buses has nothing to do with Brexit.

    Actually EU law has not made much impact on our bus and train services but our laws have massively influenced the EU.
    "though EU law has not created
    these arrangements above in Britain the current state of EU law consolidates this and deems the
    UK experience as one of best (or ‘near best’) practice"
    The Impact of European Union Competition
    Policy on Public Transport Policy and
    Provision in the UK
  • brendan16brendan16 Posts: 2,315
    Scott_P said:
    He had already done an interview with the BBCs political editor on this story. Why waste your time on a channel no one watches?
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,314
    Dura_Ace said:

    The ERG are paper tigers with gammon faces and M&S suits. They will do fuck all.
    Surely suits from Jermyn Street, I doubt JRM even realises that M&S sell clothes.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,316

    Oh I forgot today is the 242nd anniversary of the day the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland decided we'd much rather have India than America.

    It's not.

    Nor is it the anniversary of the US deciding to commit to independence either.
    Well I'll wait until September the 3rd.

    (And update it to 235th anniversary)
  • brendan16brendan16 Posts: 2,315
    dixiedean said:

    Can't believe the attitude to buses on here.
    Sounding like a Metropolitan elite echo chamber.

    One day they may be too old and too unsafe to drive cars and might welcome those buses - assuming they still exist.

    The government controls the funding and limits on council tax rises and mandates the free concessionary travel - so it is a national responsibility in effect.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,546

    witter.com/TOther_Simon/status/1014476516074369024

    All aboard the dolly express.
  • JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548

    Oh I forgot today is the 242nd anniversary of the day the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland decided we'd much rather have India than America.

    It's not.

    Nor is it the anniversary of the US deciding to commit to independence either.
    It is the 192nd anniversary of two of the signatories' (Jefferson & Adams) deaths
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,617
    brendan16 said:

    dixiedean said:

    Can't believe the attitude to buses on here.
    Sounding like a Metropolitan elite echo chamber.

    One day they may be too old and too unsafe to drive cars and might welcome those buses - assuming they still exist.

    The government controls the funding and limits on council tax rises and mandates the free concessionary travel - so it is a national responsibility in effect.
    The bus passes for oldies will be long gone by the time I'm retiring.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    edited July 2018
    Grauniad calls it for Corbyn: (EDIT - its not (the normally reliable) Andrew Sparrow......

    https://twitter.com/GdnPolitics/status/1014477442621194241
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,068
    Croatia play Russia, yes? With the winner playing England or Sweden?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    brendan16 said:

    He had already done an interview with the BBCs political editor on this story. Why waste your time on a channel no one watches?

    You are right.

    Running away from Michael Crick has always worked out brilliantly for every politician that has tried it.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,592
    edited July 2018
    Anorak said:

    *snipped max's email*

    HYUFD said:

    Far more likely is transition deal until 2021 then WTO terms for 7 years whether the Tories or Corbyn win in 2022 while we try and get a FTA with the EU then we return to the single market and customs union after Chuka Umunna wins the 2027 general election having had 7 years of no free movement as Blair should have taken from 2004 to 2011 had he imposed transition controls on free movement from the new accession countries

    Hang on, I thought you said a FTA was in the bag? About 10,000 times. What happened?

    EDIT: An FTA or a FTA?
    Canada took 7 years to get a FTA with the EU so that would be 2028 from the end of the transition period in January 2021 and by then as I said a PM Umunna may have won the 2027 general election on a platform of rejoining the EEA and the Customs Union anyway
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    edited July 2018
    At the risk of spoiling my impeccable WC tipping record, I recommend backing Kylian Mbappe to win the Golden Ball @ 4/1 (Skybet, Betfred, Victor). He's already won the game of the tournament for France and the media are anointing him as successor to Messi & Ronaldo as the world's best player.

    We need France to beat Uruguay for this to cop. Ideally Brazil as well, but I don't think that's too necessary since they haven't impressed much either collectively or individually. Yet!

    Kane looks no value at all given he's (a) already likely to get an award, so the media won't feel the need to vote for him; and (b) scored 3 pens, a goal he knew nothing about, and two more from a combined 5 yards.

    I think the media will be reluctant to pick anyone from the easy side of the draw, but Luka Modric @ 14/1 (WH) makes some appeal as a next-best selection.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,812
    HYUFD said:

    Far more likely is transition deal until 2021 then WTO terms for 7 years whether the Tories or Corbyn win in 2022 while we try and get a FTA with the EU then we return to the single market and customs union after Chuka Umunna wins the 2027 general election having had 7 years of no free movement as Blair should have taken from 2004 to 2011 had he imposed transition controls on free movement from the new accession countries

    Unspoofable.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,546
    Alan Shearer's amazing off-air blast at Colombia after England's win: "you cheating, robbing, f*****g....”

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/alan-shearer-caught-camera-letting-12850976

    Sounds like Mrs Urquhart throughout the game last night.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,258
    Using the best odds, you can get a 60% return if you are sure that the winner of the World Cup comes from Brazil/Belgium/France/Uruguay.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,314
    Anorak said:

    *snipped max's email*

    HYUFD said:

    Far more likely is transition deal until 2021 then WTO terms for 7 years whether the Tories or Corbyn win in 2022 while we try and get a FTA with the EU then we return to the single market and customs union after Chuka Umunna wins the 2027 general election having had 7 years of no free movement as Blair should have taken from 2004 to 2011 had he imposed transition controls on free movement from the new accession countries

    Hang on, I thought you said a FTA was in the bag? About 10,000 times. What happened?

    EDIT: An FTA or a FTA?
    I think it's obvious that the current timetable in which to complete a free trade deal is unrealistic, a 7-10 year transition from full member to third country with a FTA (I think "a" is right) is the only way to get Brexit right and one which suits the UK and EU over the longer term without disrupting cross border trade and solving the Ireland issue in the near term as well as having a longer term solution.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,617
    Fare play for Corbyn standing up for bus users. The #FBPE lot on twitter seem apocolyptic about him going on it mind. I didn't realise the volume of bus journeys a year was so substantially higher than train use either - it certainly isn't an impression you'd get from twitter !!
    I suspect the group most put out by him leading on bus use are train users, who are desperately over-represented amongst journalists in particular.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,060

    Grauniad calls it for Corbyn: (EDIT - its not (the normally reliable) Andrew Sparrow......

    https://twitter.com/GdnPolitics/status/1014477442621194241

    That is laughable
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143

    Croatia play Russia, yes? With the winner playing England or Sweden?

    Yes. On the one hand I do not want Russia to win. On the other hand, a semi-final victory for England over Russia would be delicious.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,849

    Croatia play Russia, yes? With the winner playing England or Sweden?

    Yes - as any news site's sports pages would tell you :wink:
  • brendan16brendan16 Posts: 2,315
    HYUFD said:

    Anorak said:

    *snipped max's email*

    HYUFD said:

    Far more likely is transition deal until 2021 then WTO terms for 7 years whether the Tories or Corbyn win in 2022 while we try and get a FTA with the EU then we return to the single market and customs union after Chuka Umunna wins the 2027 general election having had 7 years of no free movement as Blair should have taken from 2004 to 2011 had he imposed transition controls on free movement from the new accession countries

    Hang on, I thought you said a FTA was in the bag? About 10,000 times. What happened?

    EDIT: An FTA or a FTA?
    Canada took 7 years to get a FTA with the EU so that would be 2028 from the end of the transition period in January 2021 and by then as I said a PM Umunna may have won the 2027 general election on a platform of rejoining the EEA and the Customs Union anyway
    All sounds perfectly credible except for the bit about Umunna ever becoming PM - that is too fastastical.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,060

    Croatia play Russia, yes? With the winner playing England or Sweden?

    Yes. On the one hand I do not want Russia to win. On the other hand, a semi-final victory for England over Russia would be delicious.
    Hope they have not been at it again in the Salisbury area. Two people admitted to Salisbury Hospital with unspecified poisoning, the terror police brought in and samples sent to Porton Down
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,617
    Esther McVey apologises for misleading parliament

    Esther McVey has briefly addressed the Commons to respond to the highly unusual letter by the NAO saying the pensions secretary had misled parliament about what they said on universal credit. She makes a partial apology, but still disputes some of the NAO’s view.

    McVey concedes that she was mistaken in claiming the NAO had asked for the rollout of UC to be speeded up, and that she wanted “to apologise to the house for inadvertently misleading you”. But she declined to say sorry for saying the NAO had failed to take into account changes to UC in its report on the issue, saying: “I still maintain this is the case.”
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,487

    Croatia play Russia, yes? With the winner playing England or Sweden?

    Yes. On the one hand I do not want Russia to win. On the other hand, a semi-final victory for England over Russia would be delicious.
    You think Putin is going to allow that to happen?
  • YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382

    Grauniad calls it for Corbyn: (EDIT - its not (the normally reliable) Andrew Sparrow......

    https://twitter.com/GdnPolitics/status/1014477442621194241

    That is laughable
    What that they disagree with your assesment on PMqs ?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,849
    MaxPB said:

    Anorak said:

    *snipped max's email*

    HYUFD said:

    Far more likely is transition deal until 2021 then WTO terms for 7 years whether the Tories or Corbyn win in 2022 while we try and get a FTA with the EU then we return to the single market and customs union after Chuka Umunna wins the 2027 general election having had 7 years of no free movement as Blair should have taken from 2004 to 2011 had he imposed transition controls on free movement from the new accession countries

    Hang on, I thought you said a FTA was in the bag? About 10,000 times. What happened?

    EDIT: An FTA or a FTA?
    I think it's obvious that the current timetable in which to complete a free trade deal is unrealistic, a 7-10 year transition from full member to third country with a FTA (I think "a" is right) is the only way to get Brexit right and one which suits the UK and EU over the longer term without disrupting cross border trade and solving the Ireland issue in the near term as well as having a longer term solution.
    It's obvious to most people - but not to our Bexit Secretary:

    https://openeurope.org.uk/daily-shakeup/uk-can-finalise-trade-treaty-with-eu-before-brexit-says-david-davis/
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,546

    Croatia play Russia, yes? With the winner playing England or Sweden?

    Yes. On the one hand I do not want Russia to win. On the other hand, a semi-final victory for England over Russia would be delicious.
    IMO Croatia are the only team from England's side of the draw that have any hope of beating Brazil or France.
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