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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,956
    Alistair said:

    Not to Stoke a stereotype or anything but when Colombia scored that goal there was cheers out in the street here in Edinburgh.

    So petty.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,184
    Alistair said:

    Not to Stoke a stereotype or anything but when Colombia scored that goal there was cheers out in the street here in Edinburgh.

    The same Edinburgh which when it came to the crunch in 2014 voted 61% to 39% to stay in a union with England rather than endorse Scotland making its own way in the world as an independent country?
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    rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 7,922
    Pulpstar said:

    According to the BBC England have had two shots on target.

    I assume the penalty was one of them.

    Hubris from Southgate taking Kane off, obviously looking ahead to the next game. Sterling for someone else would have been the move if he was solely focussing on shoring up.
    Huh?
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,956
    Pulpstar said:

    According to the BBC England have had two shots on target.

    I assume the penalty was one of them.

    Hubris from Southgate taking Kane off, obviously looking ahead to the next game. Sterling for someone else would have been the move if he was solely focussing on shoring up.
    Kane is on, Alli and Sterling off.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,843
    edited July 2018
    Pulpstar said:

    According to the BBC England have had two shots on target.

    I assume the penalty was one of them.

    Hubris from Southgate taking Kane off, obviously looking ahead to the next game. Sterling for someone else would have been the move if he was solely focussing on shoring up.
    Sterling came off for Vardy.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,002
    Mortimer said:

    Pulpstar said:

    According to the BBC England have had two shots on target.

    I assume the penalty was one of them.

    Hubris from Southgate taking Kane off, obviously looking ahead to the next game. Sterling for someone else would have been the move if he was solely focussing on shoring up.
    Kane is on, Alli and Sterling off.
    Ah ok my mistake. Thought we'd subbed Kane for some reason
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,956
    edited July 2018
    Pulpstar said:

    Mortimer said:

    Pulpstar said:

    According to the BBC England have had two shots on target.

    I assume the penalty was one of them.

    Hubris from Southgate taking Kane off, obviously looking ahead to the next game. Sterling for someone else would have been the move if he was solely focussing on shoring up.
    Kane is on, Alli and Sterling off.
    Ah ok my mistake. Thought we'd subbed Kane for some reason
    I don't think Kane can safely be subbed off in knock-out games unless England are 3-0 up....
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,371
    Mortimer said:

    Mortimer said:

    Alistair said:

    So the SNP are keeping calling votes.

    Childish moves like this will turn people against the SNP.
    Nah. No one outside Parliament and PB will ever notice. And given that 90% of Scotland are currently backing Columbia and they are the only constituency the SNP need to worry about I suspect it will do them no harm at all.
    I've never understood this anyone but England mentality.

    Everyone I know always supports all the home nations....
    I'm neutral in this one, but look forward to supporting Sweden...
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,002
    edited July 2018
    Alli for Lotus Cheek might have been better but that sub wasn't what took the game to ET
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,843
    Pulpstar said:

    Mortimer said:

    Pulpstar said:

    According to the BBC England have had two shots on target.

    I assume the penalty was one of them.

    Hubris from Southgate taking Kane off, obviously looking ahead to the next game. Sterling for someone else would have been the move if he was solely focussing on shoring up.
    Kane is on, Alli and Sterling off.
    Ah ok my mistake. Thought we'd subbed Kane for some reason
    The BBC commentators did mumble about it.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,956

    Mortimer said:

    Mortimer said:

    Alistair said:

    So the SNP are keeping calling votes.

    Childish moves like this will turn people against the SNP.
    Nah. No one outside Parliament and PB will ever notice. And given that 90% of Scotland are currently backing Columbia and they are the only constituency the SNP need to worry about I suspect it will do them no harm at all.
    I've never understood this anyone but England mentality.

    Everyone I know always supports all the home nations....
    I'm neutral in this one, but look forward to supporting Sweden...
    Thats the next election leaflet for your opponent written :)
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    HYUFD said:

    Alistair said:

    Not to Stoke a stereotype or anything but when Colombia scored that goal there was cheers out in the street here in Edinburgh.

    The same Edinburgh which when it came to the crunch in 2014 voted 61% to 39% to stay in a union with England rather than endorse Scotland making its own way in the world as an independent country?
    Yes.
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    rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 7,922
    Alistair said:

    P45 for Gareth Southgate seems imminent.

    Should have put Rashford on.

    I do not understand subbing on Dier.
    Bringing on a defensive midfielder to defend a 1-0 lead is pretty conventional. Plus Alli is carrying a knock.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Just in case there is any doubt I'm supporting England in this. Colombia have been filth and deserve to go out.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,184
    edited July 2018
    Alistair said:

    HYUFD said:

    Alistair said:

    Not to Stoke a stereotype or anything but when Colombia scored that goal there was cheers out in the street here in Edinburgh.

    The same Edinburgh which when it came to the crunch in 2014 voted 61% to 39% to stay in a union with England rather than endorse Scotland making its own way in the world as an independent country?
    Yes.
    At least with Glasgow you can say they did vote for independence, most of the rest of Scotland can wish for us to lose all they like but at the end of the day they did not have the guts to go their own way and preferred the security of the UK.


    I suppose you could also say whatever you think of Brexit at least England and Wales had the guts to vote to try and be independent of the EU (perhaps some connection therefore to the fact the only 2 home nations to get to and progress in the last two major international football competition finals are England and Wales)
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,415
    England the ones looking a bit shot now.
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    surbysurby Posts: 1,227
    Mortimer said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Mortimer said:

    Pulpstar said:

    According to the BBC England have had two shots on target.

    I assume the penalty was one of them.

    Hubris from Southgate taking Kane off, obviously looking ahead to the next game. Sterling for someone else would have been the move if he was solely focussing on shoring up.
    Kane is on, Alli and Sterling off.
    Ah ok my mistake. Thought we'd subbed Kane for some reason
    I don't think Kane can safely be subbed off in knock-out games unless England are 3-0 up....
    Kane will be one of the 5 penalty takers.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,956
    Alistair said:

    Just in case there is any doubt I'm supporting England in this. Colombia have been filth and deserve to go out.

    Didn't expect anything less.
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    old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    Alex
    @MitchellAT
    Jun 28

    Updated England World Cup results by TV channel since 1998

    BBC: P13 W9 D1 L3
    (Win ratio - 69%)

    ITV: P11 W1 D5 L5
    (Win ratio - 9%)

    #CurseofITV
    101 replies . 1,384 retweets 2,374 likes
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,209

    Alex
    @MitchellAT
    Jun 28

    Updated England World Cup results by TV channel since 1998

    BBC: P13 W9 D1 L3
    (Win ratio - 69%)

    ITV: P11 W1 D5 L5
    (Win ratio - 9%)

    #CurseofITV
    101 replies . 1,384 retweets 2,374 likes
    Show this thread

    Fake news.
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    old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    tlg86 said:

    Alex
    @MitchellAT
    Jun 28

    Updated England World Cup results by TV channel since 1998

    BBC: P13 W9 D1 L3
    (Win ratio - 69%)

    ITV: P11 W1 D5 L5
    (Win ratio - 9%)

    #CurseofITV
    101 replies . 1,384 retweets 2,374 likes
    Show this thread

    Fake news.
    I wouldn't know.
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    surbysurby Posts: 1,227
    edited July 2018
    DavidL said:

    England the ones looking a bit shot now.

    At the moment it's all Columbia. The Columbian crosses are really causing problems.
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    rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 7,922
    edited July 2018
    Colombia definitely on top now. England need ti keep the ball for a bit
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,612
    So which will come first?

    Scottish Independence or Scotland qualifying for a major tournament.

    Scotland have never qualified for a major tournament since Holyrood opened.

    Just saying.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,751
    surby said:

    DavidL said:

    England the ones looking a bit shot now.

    At the moment it's all Columbia. The Columbian crosses are really causing problems.
    We'll settle for pens now.
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    surbysurby Posts: 1,227

    So which will come first?

    Scottish Independence or Scotland qualifying for a major tournament.

    Scotland have never qualified for a major tournament since Holyrood opened.

    Just saying.

    Whereas in 1974 and '78 it was Scotland qualifying and England not.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,002

    surby said:

    DavidL said:

    England the ones looking a bit shot now.

    At the moment it's all Columbia. The Columbian crosses are really causing problems.
    We'll settle for pens now.
    You know it's coming lol
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    That was pretty awful from England in that first period of extra time.
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    surbysurby Posts: 1,227
    HYUFD said:

    Alistair said:

    HYUFD said:

    Alistair said:

    Not to Stoke a stereotype or anything but when Colombia scored that goal there was cheers out in the street here in Edinburgh.

    The same Edinburgh which when it came to the crunch in 2014 voted 61% to 39% to stay in a union with England rather than endorse Scotland making its own way in the world as an independent country?
    Yes.
    At least with Glasgow you can say they did vote for independence, most of the rest of Scotland can wish for us to lose all they like but at the end of the day they did not have the guts to go their own way and preferred the security of the UK.


    I suppose you could also say whatever you think of Brexit at least England and Wales had the guts to vote to try and be independent of the EU (perhaps some connection therefore to the fact the only 2 home nations to get to and progress in the last two major international football competition finals are England and Wales)
    In that case, why did YOU not have the guts ?
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    rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 7,922
    Just for balance, I feel I should point out my Colombian flatmate thinks England are a disgrace fr their constant simulation and that Kane committed the first foul for the penalty.
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,145
    If Colombia had played like this from the start they would have won in 90 minutes.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Theresa May needs a goal.
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    If we go out,who has England beaten of any quality,with the draw,this will be back to square one.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,184
    edited July 2018
    surby said:

    HYUFD said:

    Alistair said:

    HYUFD said:

    Alistair said:

    Not to Stoke a stereotype or anything but when Colombia scored that goal there was cheers out in the street here in Edinburgh.

    The same Edinburgh which when it came to the crunch in 2014 voted 61% to 39% to stay in a union with England rather than endorse Scotland making its own way in the world as an independent country?
    Yes.
    At least with Glasgow you can say they did vote for independence, most of the rest of Scotland can wish for us to lose all they like but at the end of the day they did not have the guts to go their own way and preferred the security of the UK.


    I suppose you could also say whatever you think of Brexit at least England and Wales had the guts to vote to try and be independent of the EU (perhaps some connection therefore to the fact the only 2 home nations to get to and progress in the last two major international football competition finals are England and Wales)
    In that case, why did YOU not have the guts ?
    I did not think Brexit was in the best interests of the UK overall though I respect the result and I have not been cheering when nations from the EU have been knocked out of the World Cup either unlike certain indyref No voting Scots when England have conceded a goal
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,953

    If we go out,who has England beaten of any quality,with the draw,this will be back to square one.

    Which is what most people were saying before the tournament started.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    How old's the oldest England player? They seem to lack a bit of experience.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,953
    So, what’s Gareth Southgate’s experience of penalty shootouts?
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,612
    edited July 2018
    AndyJS said:

    How old's the oldest England player? They seem to lack a bit of experience.

    Ashley Young, he turns 33 on Monday.

    On the pitch it is Jamie Vardy who is 31.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,843
    AndyJS said:

    How old's the oldest England player? They seem to lack a bit of experience.

    Ashley Young is 33, Vardy 31 I think.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,002
    AndyJS said:

    How old's the oldest England player? They seem to lack a bit of experience.

    Ashley Young ?
    I remember him playing for Villa donkeys years ago (I think)
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Sandpit said:

    If we go out,who has England beaten of any quality,with the draw,this will be back to square one.

    Which is what most people were saying before the tournament started.
    But with England's side of draw opening up,this will be very disappointing and we won't get a better chance than this to go far in a world cup.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,209
    AndyJS said:

    How old's the oldest England player? They seem to lack a bit of experience.

    Ashley Young (32).
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,002
    Bardy looking dangerous to be fait
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,751
    England have been chalk and cheese in the two periods of extra time.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,209
    Penalty takers:

    Kane
    Vardy
    Rashford
    Henderson
    Dier
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,925
    I blame Gordon Brown!!!!
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    tlg86 said:

    AndyJS said:

    How old's the oldest England player? They seem to lack a bit of experience.

    Ashley Young (32).
    Thanks.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,184
    GIN1138 said:

    I blame Gordon Brown!!!!

    Who will probably be supporting Columbia
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,925
    tlg86 said:

    Penalty takers:

    Kane
    Vardy
    Rashford
    Henderson
    Dier

    Which one of those is going to screw up and become a national pariah for a few weeks? :D
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,061
    GIN1138 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Penalty takers:

    Kane
    Vardy
    Rashford
    Henderson
    Dier

    Which one of those is going to screw up and become a national pariah for a few weeks? :D
    Why just one?
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,612
    GIN1138 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Penalty takers:

    Kane
    Vardy
    Rashford
    Henderson
    Dier

    Which one of those is going to screw up and become a national pariah for a few weeks? :D
    Jordan Henderson, I've seen his pre match routines enough times.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,184
    FT Penalties
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,209

    GIN1138 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Penalty takers:

    Kane
    Vardy
    Rashford
    Henderson
    Dier

    Which one of those is going to screw up and become a national pariah for a few weeks? :D
    Jordan Henderson, I've seen his pre match routines enough times.
    Funnily enough, he is the only player in this England team to have taken a penalty against David Ospina. He scored.
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    rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 7,922
    Really hope I didn't just see Kane limping...
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,002
    Pens it is lol
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    looks like we are out ;-)
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    The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979
    edited July 2018
    I enjoyed reading the artical. I suppose it is pretty subjective when the political point of no return occurs! The Tories on Brexit imo have reached this point. They will have to hope other issues supercede Brexit in the long run.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    looks like we are out ;-)

    The first international football match I watched was England going out on penalties in 1990.
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,145
    Am I the only person who thinks Southgate looks like a right twat in that waistcoat ?
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,631
    I feels sick.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,612
    edited July 2018
    I haven't felt this sick to my stomach since David Cameron announced his resignation.
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    ralphmalphralphmalph Posts: 2,201
    Thankfully after Stuart Pearce as U21 Manager took penalties seriously and one match went to about 13 from memory, the England team now take penalty practice seriously. It is not who fancies taking one lads.
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,145
    What's the current Betfair on England going through ?
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,145

    What's the current Betfair on England going through ?

    Colmbia 1.93
    England 2.04

    I'm taking one for the team and betting on Colombia.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    Am I the only person who thinks Southgate looks like a right twat in that waistcoat ?

    Yes, if England lose. (No, if they don't).
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,184
    edited July 2018

    I enjoyed reading the artical. I suppose it is pretty subjective when the political point of no return occurs! The Tories on Brexit imo have reached this point. They will have to hope other issues supercede Brexit in the long run.

    It was the British people who voted for Brexit, it was the Tory leader at the time who opposed it
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,684
    Maybe Gareth Southgate could take the penalties?

    *ducks*
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,371
    Mortimer said:

    Mortimer said:

    Mortimer said:

    Alistair said:

    So the SNP are keeping calling votes.

    Childish moves like this will turn people against the SNP.
    Nah. No one outside Parliament and PB will ever notice. And given that 90% of Scotland are currently backing Columbia and they are the only constituency the SNP need to worry about I suspect it will do them no harm at all.
    I've never understood this anyone but England mentality.

    Everyone I know always supports all the home nations....
    I'm neutral in this one, but look forward to supporting Sweden...
    Thats the next election leaflet for your opponent written :)
    Not if I stand in Sweden...
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,184
    1-1 after first 2 penalties
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    ralphmalphralphmalph Posts: 2,201
    Harry Kane can take a penalty, all that coaching from Jonny Wilkinson.
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Plus ca change....
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,184
    2-2
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,145
    Pickford's moving too soon and making it easy.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,184
    Henderson misses
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,409
    Who said Henderson would miss
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,612

    GIN1138 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Penalty takers:

    Kane
    Vardy
    Rashford
    Henderson
    Dier

    Which one of those is going to screw up and become a national pariah for a few weeks? :D
    Jordan Henderson, I've seen his pre match routines enough times.
    Called it.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,184
    Columbia miss too
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,925

    GIN1138 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Penalty takers:

    Kane
    Vardy
    Rashford
    Henderson
    Dier

    Which one of those is going to screw up and become a national pariah for a few weeks? :D
    Jordan Henderson, I've seen his pre match routines enough times.
    Called it.
    :D
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,751
    Let off!
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    MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    Can I look yet?

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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,184
    3-3
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,995


    Can I look yet?

    I'm refreshing PB every few seconds... much faster than the BBC website.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,209
    Come on!
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,184
    Pickford saves!! Columbia miss again!!
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    omg!!!! :o
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,209
    No England player has ever scored a winning penalty in a shoot out.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,184
    edited July 2018
    Dier scores!! England through to their first World Cup Quarter final for 12 years!!
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,995
    Come on PB.. don't keep me hanging!
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,612
    GET IN!

    England are through.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,154
    It's going home
    It's going home
    Footbal's going home......


    ....but not quite yet!
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,409
    Yesssssssss
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    ralphmalphralphmalph Posts: 2,201
    So many demons being banished by this team.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    I don't believe it.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,995

    GET IN!

    England are through.

    OMG WHAT? :o
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,684
    A relief, but that’s not a World Cup winning performance.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,416
    Jesus FUCKING Christ!!!

    We do need to learn how to take part in the second half next time, that said.
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