Now I’m confused. Between Jan 2013 and Jan 2015 the Senate was 55-45 in favour of Democrats, who surely would have confirmed whoever Obama chose to nominate had there been a vacancy?
The GOP would have filibustered a truly left wing justice and the Democrats weren't willing to use the nuclear option to stop filibusters.
Due to the filibuster rule you need, in effect, 60 senators as you need 60 to override the filibuster.
The CS really do seem to want to avoid having to implement MaxFac. This, more than anything, should be evidence that MaxFac is the right choice for British people and business.
Because it will be accompanied by an FTA with the EU.
How is Barnier's attempt to keep NI in the CU/SM compatible with it?
The good news is that we will be able to change our laws. Remember, no Parliament can bind its successor.
MaxFac is a technological solution which has been ruled out categorically on the Irish border.
Keeping NI in the CU/SM is clearly compatible with an open border and those clauses.
Parliament might be able to change the law, but it won't be able to unpick the withdrawal agreement.
1) 'Keeping NI in the CU/SM is clearly compatible with an open border and those clauses.' Incorrect, as it would fall foul of 10 (1) (B), ref. joint report from the negotiators of the EU and the United Kingdom Government on progress during phase 1 of negotiations under Article 50, specificallly point 50 'In all circumstances, the United Kingdom will continue to ensure the same unfettered access for Northern Ireland's businesses to the whole of the United Kingdom internal market. '
2) 'Parliament might be able to change the law, but it won't be able to unpick the withdrawal agreement.' Parliament can legislate to change the withdrawal act if clauses prevent
3) Why are you and the EU obsessed with trying to maintain third power jurisdiction on an integral part of the UK? Maybe get cracking on the FTA instead, or wave goodbye to the 39BN cheque....
Get cracking on the FTA? but DD seems to prefer politicking at home to the tiresome business of negotiation.
I'm cheering for France because they helped us with the Falklands, plus I want to see Maradona cry.
Plus I still feel guilty about the events at Mers-el-Kébir.
..by helping Argentina by selling them Exocets?
They didn't. At least not once the invasion had happened. France were great help to the British during the Falklands including giving us all the information we needed to neutralise the threat of the Exocets. And that comes from a man who should certainly should know and who called them our greatest ally in the war.
I pointed that out on here before and our own @Dura_Ace assured me that that was just a rogue element for which the French government could not be held accountable.
Trump just doesn't want to pay for Europe's security, which is fair enough.
If I thought it was that I could do everything that I wanted to without giving a flying fuck about anyone or anything else under some ruse of "me first"...life doesn't work like that..it doesn't make me happier, and it certainly doesn't make others happy....but there again Trump is a fucking self obsessed, narcissistic wanker...
Trump is one of the few people who doesn't have to care what others think of him.
The CS really do seem to want to avoid having to implement MaxFac. This, more than anything, should be evidence that MaxFac is the right choice for British people and business.
Because it will be accompanied by an FTA with the EU.
How is Barnier's attempt to keep NI in the CU/SM compatible with it?
The good news is that we will be able to change our laws. Remember, no Parliament can bind its successor.
MaxFac is a technological solution which has been ruled out categorically on the Irish border.
Keeping NI in the CU/SM is clearly compatible with an open border and those clauses.
Parliament might be able to change the law, but it won't be able to unpick the withdrawal agreement.
1) 'Keeping NI in the CU/SM is clearly compatible with an open border and those clauses.' Incorrect, as it would fall foul of 10 (1) (B), ref. joint report from the negotiators of the EU and the United Kingdom Government on progress during phase 1 of negotiations under Article 50, specificallly point 50 'In all circumstances, the United Kingdom will continue to ensure the same unfettered access for Northern Ireland's businesses to the whole of the United Kingdom internal market. '
2) 'Parliament might be able to change the law, but it won't be able to unpick the withdrawal agreement.' Parliament can legislate to change the withdrawal act if clauses prevent
3) Why are you and the EU obsessed with trying to maintain third power jurisdiction on an integral part of the UK? Maybe get cracking on the FTA instead, or wave goodbye to the 39BN cheque....
Get cracking on the FTA? but DD seems to prefer politicking at home to the tiresome business of negotiation.
The CS really do seem to want to avoid having to implement MaxFac. This, more than anything, should be evidence that MaxFac is the right choice for British people and business.
Because it will be accompanied by an FTA with the EU.
How is Barnier's attempt to keep NI in the CU/SM compatible with it?
The good news is that we will be able to change our laws. Remember, no Parliament can bind its successor.
MaxFac is a technological solution which has been ruled out categorically on the Irish border.
Keeping NI in the CU/SM is clearly compatible with an open border and those clauses.
Parliament might be able to change the law, but it won't be able to unpick the withdrawal agreement.
1) 'Keeping NI in the CU/SM is clearly compatible with an open border and those clauses.' Incorrect, as it would fall foul of 10 (1) (B), ref. joint report from the negotiators of the EU and the United Kingdom Government on progress during phase 1 of negotiations under Article 50, specificallly point 50 'In all circumstances, the United Kingdom will continue to ensure the same unfettered access for Northern Ireland's businesses to the whole of the United Kingdom internal market. '
2) 'Parliament might be able to change the law, but it won't be able to unpick the withdrawal agreement.' Parliament can legislate to change the withdrawal act if necessary.
3) Why are you and the EU obsessed with trying to maintain third power jurisdiction on an integral part of the UK? Maybe get cracking on the FTA instead, or wave goodbye to the 39BN cheque....
Keeping Northern Ireland in the CU/SM isn't incompatible with keeping the UK as a whole in the CU/SM. If that's the only way the UK can honour its commitment to Northern Ireland in the joint report, so be it.
Given both the UK Govt and the EU have rejected that, your commitment to it is 'brave'....
The EU hasn't rejected reversing Brexit, nor an Association Agreement including the full single market and customs union.
The Commons has already voted by a 200 vote majority to leave the single market and both Corbyn and May oppose staying in the EEA so that is not going to be an option in the short term given how pivotal ending free movement and bringing immigration down was to the Leave victory
The CS really do seem to want to avoid having to implement MaxFac. This, more than anything, should be evidence that MaxFac is the right choice for British people and business.
Because it will be accompanied by an FTA with the EU.
How is Barnier's attempt to keep NI in the CU/SM compatible with it?
The good news is that we will be able to change our laws. Remember, no Parliament can bind its successor.
MaxFac is a technological solution which has been ruled out categorically on the Irish border.
2) 'Parliament might be able to change the law, but it won't be able to unpick the withdrawal agreement.' Parliament can legislate to change the withdrawal act if clauses prevent
3) Why are you and the EU obsessed with trying to maintain third power jurisdiction on an integral part of the UK? Maybe get cracking on the FTA instead, or wave goodbye to the 39BN cheque....
Get cracking on the FTA? but DD seems to prefer politicking at home to the tiresome business of negotiation.
That article is unfair. Barnier is not doing the negotiating either. The negotiations are done by Oliver Robbins and Sabine Weyland and about 100 odd staff on each side to support them.
Not much evidence of progress though, is there?
With time constraints, only an off the peg agreement will be possible. Bespoke has been timed out.
I do not disagree with you here, but it is not DD fault. Robbins reports directly to May, she did this deliberately. It is May/Robbins/Barwell chasing some fantasy deal which seams to change every week, which are always going to be rejected. I just hope that the paper work is in place so that the planes still fly and the lorries still move, etc. I can not see both sides as being so stupid as not to have put this in place.
Trump just doesn't want to pay for Europe's security, which is fair enough.
If I thought it was that I could do everything that I wanted to without giving a flying fuck about anyone or anything else under some ruse of "me first"...life doesn't work like that..it doesn't make me happier, and it certainly doesn't make others happy....but there again Trump is a fucking self obsessed, narcissistic wanker...
Trump is one of the few people who doesn't have to care what others think of him.
The CS really do seem to want to avoid having to implement MaxFac. This, more than anything, should be evidence that MaxFac is the right choice for British people and business.
Because it will be accompanied by an FTA with the EU.
How is Barnier's attempt to keep NI in the CU/SM compatible with it?
The good news is that we will be able to change our laws. Remember, no Parliament can bind its successor.
MaxFac is a technological solution which has been ruled out categorically on the Irish border.
Keeping NI in the CU/SM is clearly compatible with an open border and those clauses.
Parliament might be able to change the law, but it won't be able to unpick the withdrawal agreement.
1) 'Keeping NI in the CU/SM is clearly compatible with an open border and those clauses.' Incorrect, as it would fall foul of 10 (1) (B), ref. joint report from the negotiators of the EU and the United Kingdom Government on progress during phase 1 of negotiations under Article 50, specificallly point 50 'In all circumstances, the United Kingdom will continue to ensure the same unfettered access for Northern Ireland's businesses to the whole of the United Kingdom internal market. '
2) 'Parliament might be able to change the law, but it won't be able to unpick the withdrawal agreement.' Parliament can legislate to change the withdrawal act if clauses prevent
3) Why are you and the EU obsessed with trying to maintain third power jurisdiction on an integral part of the UK? Maybe get cracking on the FTA instead, or wave goodbye to the 39BN cheque....
Get cracking on the FTA? but DD seems to prefer politicking at home to the tiresome business of negotiation.
Negotiation 101. You don't have your man in the room until the deal is done.
If you think the UK approach has anything to learn from, it is "do not do it like this"
WIthout Davis we might have already signed up to the low orbit vassalage that only williamglenn thinks in any way sensible.
I don't think it's sensible at all, but if you don't want a disorderly break up of the UK, you need a deal, and that's the only one that works. Otherwise we reverse Brexit which would be my preference.
what the fuck is going on with Ronaldo's personal short adjustments when he takes a free kick..I can only hope that kids do not mimic him
Thank you, but Comrade Lord please ..
I think Ronaldo's shorts lift is part of an Iberian male sporting trait in the manner of Nadal's arse crack grab prior to every serve.
Alexis Sanchez does the same thing with his shorts when he's taking free kicks.
Mrs JackW advises me that I should attempt similar forms of nether region gyrations to attract the masses when I toss my caber at the forthcoming 273rd Annual Auchentennach Highland Games.
I shall give the proposal much consideration .....
what the fuck is going on with Ronaldo's personal short adjustments when he takes a free kick..I can only hope that kids do not mimic him
Thank you, but Comrade Lord please ..
I think Ronaldo's shorts lift is part of an Iberian male sporting trait in the manner of Nadal's arse crack grab prior to every serve.
JaCKW...I'm only deferent to folks who have bigger muscles than me on a dark night, and cornered in an alleyway.....and then (and only then) I am quite likely to be highly reverential to the other unless I've had a skinfull and have drunken delusions about my physicality....
Nadal's arse crack grab....it was OK when he was young beautiful...now he looks middle aged and bald it doesn't look right. I much prefer to watch Federer serenely dancing around, or Serena in her Batman catsuit....
Now I’m confused. Between Jan 2013 and Jan 2015 the Senate was 55-45 in favour of Democrats, who surely would have confirmed whoever Obama chose to nominate had there been a vacancy?
The GOP would have filibustered a truly left wing justice and the Democrats weren't willing to use the nuclear option to stop filibusters.
Due to the filibuster rule you need, in effect, 60 senators as you need 60 to override the filibuster.
Until you decide by simple majority, to remove the filibuster.
The Dems' Senate problem has been that several of their Senators represent Red States. The only way they can hold such Senate seats is by allowing such Senators leeway to vote with Republicans on issues like SCOTUS appointments.
I'm cheering for France because they helped us with the Falklands, plus I want to see Maradona cry.
Plus I still feel guilty about the events at Mers-el-Kébir.
..by helping Argentina by selling them Exocets?
They didn't. At least not once the invasion had happened. France were great help to the British during the Falklands including giving us all the information we needed to neutralise the threat of the Exocets. And that comes from a man who should certainly should know and who called them our greatest ally in the war.
I pointed that out on here before and our own @Dura_Ace assured me that that was just a rogue element for which the French government could not be held accountable.
By the way, I do love the final line of that pice:
But, does [Sir John Nott], nonetheless, now feel a little let down by a nation that he had previously described as Britain's greatest ally? This was his response:
"We asked Mitterrand not to give assistance to the Argentinians. If you're asking me: 'Are the French duplicitous people?' the answer is: 'Of course they are, and they always have been.'"
what the fuck is going on with Ronaldo's personal short adjustments when he takes a free kick..I can only hope that kids do not mimic him
Thank you, but Comrade Lord please ..
I think Ronaldo's shorts lift is part of an Iberian male sporting trait in the manner of Nadal's arse crack grab prior to every serve.
Alexis Sanchez does the same thing with his shorts when he's taking free kicks.
Mrs JackW advises me that I should attempt similar forms of nether region gyrations to attract the masses when I toss my caber at the forthcoming 273rd Annual Auchentennach Highland Games.
I shall give the proposal much consideration .....
JaCKW...I'm only deferent to folks who have bigger muscles than me on a dark night, and cornered in an alleyway.....and then (and only then) I am quite likely to be highly reverential to the other unless I've had a skinfull and have drunken delusions about my physicality....
I refer your insolent self to my PB position not entirely dissimilar to that of a certain functionary of impeccable credentials from the Mikado :
Behold the Lord High Executioner A personage of noble rank and title - A dignified and potent officer, Whose functions are particularly vital! Defer, defer, To the Lord High Executioner! Defer, defer, To the noble Lord, to the noble Lord, To the Lord High Executioner!
Big boost to Sajid Javid's prospects of succeeding May as he tops the Conservative Home Tory members next Tory leader poll released this evening for the first time.
Javid is on 22%, Gove is second on 17%, Mogg third on 14%, Johnson 4th on 8% and Hunt 5th on 4%.
what the fuck is going on with Ronaldo's personal short adjustments when he takes a free kick..I can only hope that kids do not mimic him
Thank you, but Comrade Lord please ..
I think Ronaldo's shorts lift is part of an Iberian male sporting trait in the manner of Nadal's arse crack grab prior to every serve.
Alexis Sanchez does the same thing with his shorts when he's taking free kicks.
Mrs JackW advises me that I should attempt similar forms of nether region gyrations to attract the masses when I toss my caber at the forthcoming 273rd Annual Auchentennach Highland Games.
I shall give the proposal much consideration .....
Is this allowed in the junior competition?
We have yet to receive your application form and 100 guinea fee.
JaCKW...I'm only deferent to folks who have bigger muscles than me on a dark night, and cornered in an alleyway.....and then (and only then) I am quite likely to be highly reverential to the other unless I've had a skinfull and have drunken delusions about my physicality....
I refer your insolent self to my PB position not entirely dissimilar to that of a certain functionary of impeccable credentials from the Mikado :
Behold the Lord High Executioner A personage of noble rank and title - A dignified and potent officer, Whose functions are particularly vital! Defer, defer, To the Lord High Executioner! Defer, defer, To the noble Lord, to the noble Lord, To the Lord High Executioner!
Very good JackW......
It is always a pleasure to randomly join a thread of pbCOM and to see a certain Mr JackW skulking around....
The CS really do seem to want to avoid having to implement MaxFac. This, more than anything, should be evidence that MaxFac is the right choice for British people and business.
Because it will be accompanied by an FTA with the EU.
How is Barnier's attempt to keep NI in the CU/SM compatible with it?
The good news is that we will be able to change our laws. Remember, no Parliament can bind its successor.
1) 'Keeping NI in the CU/SM is clearly compatible with an open border and those clauses.' Incorrect, as it would fall foul of 10 (1) (B), ref. joint report from the negotiators of the EU and the United Kingdom Government on progress during phase 1 of negotiations under Article 50, specificallly point 50 'In all circumstances, the United Kingdom will continue to ensure the same unfettered access for Northern Ireland's businesses to the whole of the United Kingdom internal market. '
2) 'Parliament might be able to change the law, but it won't be able to unpick the withdrawal agreement.' Parliament can legislate to change the withdrawal act if clauses prevent
3) Why are you and the EU obsessed with trying to maintain third power jurisdiction on an integral part of the UK? Maybe get cracking on the FTA instead, or wave goodbye to the 39BN cheque....
Get cracking on the FTA? but DD seems to prefer politicking at home to the tiresome business of negotiation.
Negotiation 101. You don't have your man in the room until the deal is done.
If you think the UK approach has anything to learn from, it is "do not do it like this"
WIthout Davis we might have already signed up to the low orbit vassalage that only williamglenn thinks in any way sensible.
I don't think it's sensible at all, but if you don't want a disorderly break up of the UK, you need a deal, and that's the only one that works. Otherwise we reverse Brexit which would be my preference.
The disorderly break up of the UK isn't in anyone's interest. You seem somewhat fixated on it; suggesting it is some sort of inevitability sounds frankly ridiculous.
I don't think it's sensible at all, but if you don't want a disorderly break up of the UK, you need a deal, and that's the only one that works. Otherwise we reverse Brexit which would be my preference.
The disorderly break up of the UK isn't in anyone's interest. You seem somewhat fixated on it; suggesting it is some sort of inevitability sounds frankly ridiculous.
How would you see the days, weeks and months following "no deal" playing out?
Big boost to Sajid Javid's prospects of succeeding May as he tops the Conservative Home Tory members next Tory leader poll released this evening for the first time.
Javid is on 22%, Gove is second on 17%, Mogg third on 14%, Johnson 4th on 8% and Hunt 5th on 4%.
I don't think it's sensible at all, but if you don't want a disorderly break up of the UK, you need a deal, and that's the only one that works. Otherwise we reverse Brexit which would be my preference.
The disorderly break up of the UK isn't in anyone's interest. You seem somewhat fixated on it; suggesting it is some sort of inevitability sounds frankly ridiculous.
How would you see the days, weeks and months following "no deal" playing out?
Not in the disorderly break up of the UK. If it happens, which I think is unlikely, I imagine that it would more than likely be followed with (even more) widespread rejection of the EU.
You start from the premise that the EU is any more than tolerated by the vast majority of the UK - this couldn't be much farther from reality.
I don't think it's sensible at all, but if you don't want a disorderly break up of the UK, you need a deal, and that's the only one that works. Otherwise we reverse Brexit which would be my preference.
The disorderly break up of the UK isn't in anyone's interest. You seem somewhat fixated on it; suggesting it is some sort of inevitability sounds frankly ridiculous.
How would you see the days, weeks and months following "no deal" playing out?
No one knows but you are fixated on remaining and to be honest most of your comments are entirely predictable.
I'm cheering for France because they helped us with the Falklands, plus I want to see Maradona cry.
Plus I still feel guilty about the events at Mers-el-Kébir.
..by helping Argentina by selling them Exocets?
They didn't. At least not once the invasion had happened. France were great help to the British during the Falklands including giving us all the information we needed to neutralise the threat of the Exocets. And that comes from a man who should certainly should know and who called them our greatest ally in the war.
I pointed that out on here before and our own @Dura_Ace assured me that that was just a rogue element for which the French government could not be held accountable.
Very Jim Hacker... (The Tunnel) Trusting the French is a ludicrous position to take
I don't think it's sensible at all, but if you don't want a disorderly break up of the UK, you need a deal, and that's the only one that works. Otherwise we reverse Brexit which would be my preference.
The disorderly break up of the UK isn't in anyone's interest. You seem somewhat fixated on it; suggesting it is some sort of inevitability sounds frankly ridiculous.
How would you see the days, weeks and months following "no deal" playing out?
Not in the disorderly break up of the UK. If it happens, which I think is unlikely, I imagine that it would more than likely be followed with (even more) widespread rejection of the EU.
You start from the premise that the EU is any more than tolerated by the vast majority of the UK - this couldn't be much farther from reality.
You start from the premise that the most important variable is the level of resentment felt by Conservative Eurosceptics. It isn’t.
The CS really do seem to want to avoid having to implement MaxFac. This, more than anything, should be evidence that MaxFac is the right choice for British people and business.
Because it will be accompanied by an FTA with the EU.
How is Barnier's attempt to keep NI in the CU/SM compatible with it?
The good news is that we will be able to change our laws. Remember, no Parliament can bind its successor.
MaxFac is a technological solution which has been ruled out categorically on the Irish border.
Keeping NI in the CU/SM is clearly compatible with an open border and those clauses.
Parliament might be able to change the law, but it won't be able to unpick the withdrawal agreement.
1) 'Keeping NI in the CU/SM is clearly compatible with an open border and those clauses.' Incorrect, as it would fall foul of 10 (1) (B), ref. joint report from the negotiators of the EU and the United Kingdom Government on progress during phase 1 of negotiations under Article 50, specificallly point 50 'In all circumstances, the United Kingdom will continue to ensure the same unfettered access for Northern Ireland's businesses to the whole of the United Kingdom internal market. '
2) 'Parliament might be able to change the law, but it won't be able to unpick the withdrawal agreement.' Parliament can legislate to change the withdrawal act if clauses prevent
3) Why are you and the EU obsessed with trying to maintain third power jurisdiction on an integral part of the UK? Maybe get cracking on the FTA instead, or wave goodbye to the 39BN cheque....
Get cracking on the FTA? but DD seems to prefer politicking at home to the tiresome business of negotiation.
I don't think it's sensible at all, but if you don't want a disorderly break up of the UK, you need a deal, and that's the only one that works. Otherwise we reverse Brexit which would be my preference.
The disorderly break up of the UK isn't in anyone's interest. You seem somewhat fixated on it; suggesting it is some sort of inevitability sounds frankly ridiculous.
How would you see the days, weeks and months following "no deal" playing out?
I think there would be a great deal of anger directed at both the government, and the EU.
Nationalists in Northern Ireland, Wales and Scotland would blame the former. Unionists would blame the latter.
I'm cheering for France because they helped us with the Falklands, plus I want to see Maradona cry.
Plus I still feel guilty about the events at Mers-el-Kébir.
..by helping Argentina by selling them Exocets?
They didn't. At least not once the invasion had happened. France were great help to the British during the Falklands including giving us all the information we needed to neutralise the threat of the Exocets. And that comes from a man who should certainly should know and who called them our greatest ally in the war.
Nope its still clear cut. The fact that some individuals did not agree with the French Government supporting the British is immaterial. French policy was to help us in every way it could. Very different to the US Ambassador to the UN who so hated the British that she openly advocated the Argentine cause and tried to persuade Reagan to invoke the Rio Pact and have the US support Argentina in the war.
The CS really do seem to want to avoid having to implement MaxFac. This, more than anything, should be evidence that MaxFac is the right choice for British people and business.
Because it will be accompanied by an FTA with the EU.
How is Barnier's attempt to keep NI in the CU/SM compatible with it?
The good news is that we will be able to change our laws. Remember, no Parliament can bind its successor.
MaxFac is a technological solution which has been ruled out categorically on the Irish border.
Keeping NI in the CU/SM is clearly compatible with an open border and those clauses.
Parliament might be able to change the law, but it won't be able to unpick the withdrawal agreement.
1) 'Keeping NI in the CU/SM is clearly compatible with an open border and those clauses.' Incorrect, as it would fall foul of 10 (1) (B), ref. joint report from the negotiators of the EU and the United Kingdom Government on progress during phase 1 of negotiations under Article 50, specificallly point 50 'In all circumstances, the United Kingdom will continue to ensure the same unfettered access for Northern Ireland's businesses to the whole of the United Kingdom internal market. '
2) 'Parliament might be able to change the law, but it won't be able to unpick the withdrawal agreement.' Parliament can legislate to change the withdrawal act if clauses prevent
3) Why are you and the EU obsessed with trying to maintain third power jurisdiction on an integral part of the UK? Maybe get cracking on the FTA instead, or wave goodbye to the 39BN cheque....
Get cracking on the FTA? but DD seems to prefer politicking at home to the tiresome business of negotiation.
I'm cheering for France because they helped us with the Falklands, plus I want to see Maradona cry.
Plus I still feel guilty about the events at Mers-el-Kébir.
..by helping Argentina by selling them Exocets?
They didn't. At least not once the invasion had happened. France were great help to the British during the Falklands including giving us all the information we needed to neutralise the threat of the Exocets. And that comes from a man who should certainly should know and who called them our greatest ally in the war.
I pointed that out on here before and our own @Dura_Ace assured me that that was just a rogue element for which the French government could not be held accountable.
Big boost to Sajid Javid's prospects of succeeding May as he tops the Conservative Home Tory members next Tory leader poll released this evening for the first time.
Javid is on 22%, Gove is second on 17%, Mogg third on 14%, Johnson 4th on 8% and Hunt 5th on 4%.
On Monday the website will release head to head figures between Javid, Gove, Boris and Hunt
And he had my vote in that survey
I am increasingly coming round to him too, I voted for Javid last time but Boris this time, I would be happy with either though I know Javid would get your vote over Boris
I don't think it's sensible at all, but if you don't want a disorderly break up of the UK, you need a deal, and that's the only one that works. Otherwise we reverse Brexit which would be my preference.
The disorderly break up of the UK isn't in anyone's interest. You seem somewhat fixated on it; suggesting it is some sort of inevitability sounds frankly ridiculous.
How would you see the days, weeks and months following "no deal" playing out?
Not in the disorderly break up of the UK. If it happens, which I think is unlikely, I imagine that it would more than likely be followed with (even more) widespread rejection of the EU.
You start from the premise that the EU is any more than tolerated by the vast majority of the UK - this couldn't be much farther from reality.
You start from the premise that the most important variable is the level of resentment felt by Conservative Eurosceptics. It isn’t.
Have you ever knocked on doors and spoken to ordinary people about politics?
I don't think it's sensible at all, but if you don't want a disorderly break up of the UK, you need a deal, and that's the only one that works. Otherwise we reverse Brexit which would be my preference.
The disorderly break up of the UK isn't in anyone's interest. You seem somewhat fixated on it; suggesting it is some sort of inevitability sounds frankly ridiculous.
How would you see the days, weeks and months following "no deal" playing out?
I think there would be a great deal of anger directed at both the government, and the EU.
Nationalists in Northern Ireland, Wales and Scotland would blame the former. Unionists would blame the latter.
Big boost to Sajid Javid's prospects of succeeding May as he tops the Conservative Home Tory members next Tory leader poll released this evening for the first time.
Javid is on 22%, Gove is second on 17%, Mogg third on 14%, Johnson 4th on 8% and Hunt 5th on 4%.
On Monday the website will release head to head figures between Javid, Gove, Boris and Hunt
And he had my vote in that survey
An admission of participation in ConHome surveys would normally attract significant and much deserved opprobrium, followed by formal censure and expulsion.
However the Tories are such a shambles these days it would be considered dashed unsporting to punished you outwith of a yellow card for the gall of admitting your shame so publicly.
I don't think it's sensible at all, but if you don't want a disorderly break up of the UK, you need a deal, and that's the only one that works. Otherwise we reverse Brexit which would be my preference.
The disorderly break up of the UK isn't in anyone's interest. You seem somewhat fixated on it; suggesting it is some sort of inevitability sounds frankly ridiculous.
How would you see the days, weeks and months following "no deal" playing out?
Not in the disorderly break up of the UK. If it happens, which I think is unlikely, I imagine that it would more than likely be followed with (even more) widespread rejection of the EU.
You start from the premise that the EU is any more than tolerated by the vast majority of the UK - this couldn't be much farther from reality.
You start from the premise that the most important variable is the level of resentment felt by Conservative Eurosceptics. It isn’t.
The EU is barely tolerated by very many, even remainers, and indeed is seeing a huge rise of resistence within individual member states. The so called agreement on migration collapsed within minutes and Europe is in turmoil. Take off your rose tinted glasses and you will see all is not at all well in Euro land. Indeed next years European elections could see a huge swing to the far left and far right candidates across Europe resulting in an extremely fractious Parliament
Big boost to Sajid Javid's prospects of succeeding May as he tops the Conservative Home Tory members next Tory leader poll released this evening for the first time.
Javid is on 22%, Gove is second on 17%, Mogg third on 14%, Johnson 4th on 8% and Hunt 5th on 4%.
On Monday the website will release head to head figures between Javid, Gove, Boris and Hunt
And he had my vote in that survey
An admission of participation in ConHome surveys would normally attract significant and much deserved opprobrium, followed by formal censure and expulsion.
However the Tories are such a shambles these days it would be considered dashed unsporting to punished you outwith of a yellow card for the gall of admitting your shame so publicly.
I am nowhere near the poltics of con home Jack but as a member of the party they send me their surveys and I fill them in using my own opinion, hence why Boris did not get my vote
I'm cheering for France because they helped us with the Falklands, plus I want to see Maradona cry.
Plus I still feel guilty about the events at Mers-el-Kébir.
..by helping Argentina by selling them Exocets?
They didn't. At least not once the invasion had happened. France were great help to the British during the Falklands including giving us all the information we needed to neutralise the threat of the Exocets. And that comes from a man who should certainly should know and who called them our greatest ally in the war.
Nope its still clear cut. The fact that some individuals did not agree with the French Government supporting the British is immaterial. French policy was to help us in every way it could. Very different to the US Ambassador to the UN who so hated the British that she openly advocated the Argentine cause and tried to persuade Reagan to invoke the Rio Pact and have the US support Argentina in the war.
Ambassador Kirkpatrick was a Democrat who only became a Republican in 1985, Reagan's Secretary of State Alexander Haig by contrast was pro British in the conflict. In the end the Reagan administration supported Thatcher's UK in pushing for an Argentine withdrawal while pressing a peaceful solution and Kirkpatrick had to vote for UN SC resolution 502 which the British UN ambassador had proposed
I don't think it's sensible at all, but if you don't want a disorderly break up of the UK, you need a deal, and that's the only one that works. Otherwise we reverse Brexit which would be my preference.
The disorderly break up of the UK isn't in anyone's interest. You seem somewhat fixated on it; suggesting it is some sort of inevitability sounds frankly ridiculous.
How would you see the days, weeks and months following "no deal" playing out?
I think there would be a great deal of anger directed at both the government, and the EU.
Nationalists in Northern Ireland, Wales and Scotland would blame the former. Unionists would blame the latter.
I don't think it's sensible at all, but if you don't want a disorderly break up of the UK, you need a deal, and that's the only one that works. Otherwise we reverse Brexit which would be my preference.
The disorderly break up of the UK isn't in anyone's interest. You seem somewhat fixated on it; suggesting it is some sort of inevitability sounds frankly ridiculous.
How would you see the days, weeks and months following "no deal" playing out?
I think there would be a great deal of anger directed at both the government, and the EU.
Nationalists in Northern Ireland, Wales and Scotland would blame the former. Unionists would blame the latter.
Who would Danny Dyer blame?
Who is he ??
The voice of the nation. (Warning: language may be unsuitable for Mrs G.)
I don't think it's sensible at all, but if you don't want a disorderly break up of the UK, you need a deal, and that's the only one that works. Otherwise we reverse Brexit which would be my preference.
The disorderly break up of the UK isn't in anyone's interest. You seem somewhat fixated on it; suggesting it is some sort of inevitability sounds frankly ridiculous.
How would you see the days, weeks and months following "no deal" playing out?
I think there would be a great deal of anger directed at both the government, and the EU.
Nationalists in Northern Ireland, Wales and Scotland would blame the former. Unionists would blame the latter.
Who would Danny Dyer blame?
Who is he ??
The voice of the nation. (Warning: language may be unsuitable for Mrs G.)
Big boost to Sajid Javid's prospects of succeeding May as he tops the Conservative Home Tory members next Tory leader poll released this evening for the first time.
Javid is on 22%, Gove is second on 17%, Mogg third on 14%, Johnson 4th on 8% and Hunt 5th on 4%.
On Monday the website will release head to head figures between Javid, Gove, Boris and Hunt
And he had my vote in that survey
An admission of participation in ConHome surveys would normally attract significant and much deserved opprobrium, followed by formal censure and expulsion.
However the Tories are such a shambles these days it would be considered dashed unsporting to punished you outwith of a yellow card for the gall of admitting your shame so publicly.
I am nowhere near the poltics of con home Jack but as a member of the party they send me their surveys and I fill them in using my own opinion, hence why Boris did not get my vote
I'm cheering for France because they helped us with the Falklands, plus I want to see Maradona cry.
Plus I still feel guilty about the events at Mers-el-Kébir.
..by helping Argentina by selling them Exocets?
They didn't. At least not once the invasion had happened. France were great help to the British during the Falklands including giving us all the information we needed to neutralise the threat of the Exocets. And that comes from a man who should certainly should know and who called them our greatest ally in the war.
Nope its still clear cut. The fact that some individuals did not agree with the French Government supporting the British is immaterial. French policy was to help us in every way it could. Very different to the US Ambassador to the UN who so hated the British that she openly advocated the Argentine cause and tried to persuade Reagan to invoke the Rio Pact and have the US support Argentina in the war.
Ambassador Kirkpatrick was a Democrat who only became a Republican in 1985, Reagan's Secretary of State Alexander Haig by contrast was pro British in the conflict. In the end the Reagan administration supported Thatcher's UK in pushing for an Argentine withdrawal while pressing a peaceful solution and Kirkpatrick had to vote for UN SC resolution 502 which the British UN ambassador had proposed
Yep and Reagan was of course very pro-British as far as foreign relations went. But that doesn't change the fact that those claiming the French Government were supporting and helping Argentina whilst ignoring the attitude of senior US representatives are twisting history. It was France who stepped up to the plate to support us straight away whilst the US vacillated.
Big boost to Sajid Javid's prospects of succeeding May as he tops the Conservative Home Tory members next Tory leader poll released this evening for the first time.
Javid is on 22%, Gove is second on 17%, Mogg third on 14%, Johnson 4th on 8% and Hunt 5th on 4%.
On Monday the website will release head to head figures between Javid, Gove, Boris and Hunt
And he had my vote in that survey
An admission of participation in ConHome surveys would normally attract significant and much deserved opprobrium, followed by formal censure and expulsion.
However the Tories are such a shambles these days it would be considered dashed unsporting to punished you outwith of a yellow card for the gall of admitting your shame so publicly.
I am nowhere near the poltics of con home Jack but as a member of the party they send me their surveys and I fill them in using my own opinion, hence why Boris did not get my vote
More shameless admissions of guilt. We shall have to refer the matter to higher authority - namely the Star Chamber Admissions of Bedford - SCAB.
Your pitiful excuses will be exposed and almost certainly Chief Justice Mike Smithson will place the black cap over the vast expanse of non follicular activity and pronounce the ultimate sentence - Compulsory reading of the speeches of Diane Abbott .... and may God have mercy on your soul.
Big boost to Sajid Javid's prospects of succeeding May as he tops the Conservative Home Tory members next Tory leader poll released this evening for the first time.
Javid is on 22%, Gove is second on 17%, Mogg third on 14%, Johnson 4th on 8% and Hunt 5th on 4%.
On Monday the website will release head to head figures between Javid, Gove, Boris and Hunt
And he had my vote in that survey
An admission of participation in ConHome surveys would normally attract significant and much deserved opprobrium, followed by formal censure and expulsion.
However the Tories are such a shambles these days it would be considered dashed unsporting to punished you outwith of a yellow card for the gall of admitting your shame so publicly.
I am nowhere near the poltics of con home Jack but as a member of the party they send me their surveys and I fill them in using my own opinion, hence why Boris did not get my vote
More shameless admissions of guilt. We shall have to refer the matter to higher authority - namely the Star Chamber Admissions of Bedford - SCAB.
Your pitiful excuses will be exposed and almost certainly Chief Justice Mike Smithson will place the black cap over the vast expanse of non follicular activity and pronounce the ultimate sentence - Compulsory reading of the speeches of Diane Abbott .... and may God have mercy on your soul.
I'm cheering for France because they helped us with the Falklands, plus I want to see Maradona cry.
Plus I still feel guilty about the events at Mers-el-Kébir.
..by helping Argentina by selling them Exocets?
They didn't. At least not once the invasion had happened. France were great help to the British during the Falklands including giving us all the information we needed to neutralise the threat of the Exocets. And that comes from a man who should certainly should know and who called them our greatest ally in the war.
Nope its still clear cut. The fact that some individuals did not agree with the French Government supporting the British is immaterial. French policy was to help us in every way it could. Very different to the US Ambassador to the UN who so hated the British that she openly advocated the Argentine cause and tried to persuade Reagan to invoke the Rio Pact and have the US support Argentina in the war.
Ambassador Kirkpatrick was a Democrat who only became a Republican in 1985, Reagan's Secretary of State Alexander Haig by contrast was pro British in the conflict. In the end the Reagan administration supported Thatcher's UK in pushing for an Argentine withdrawal while pressing a peaceful solution and Kirkpatrick had to vote for UN SC resolution 502 which the British UN ambassador had proposed
Yep and Reagan was of course very pro-British as far as foreign relations went. But that doesn't change the fact that those claiming the French Government were supporting and helping Argentina whilst ignoring the attitude of senior US representatives are twisting history. It was France who stepped up to the plate to support us straight away whilst the US vacillated.
You are right on the war itself (though Chile was more helpful probably to the UK than either France or the USA and of course France had supplied Argentina with Exocet missiles, albeit before the invasion)
Now I’m confused. Between Jan 2013 and Jan 2015 the Senate was 55-45 in favour of Democrats, who surely would have confirmed whoever Obama chose to nominate had there been a vacancy?
The GOP would have filibustered a truly left wing justice and the Democrats weren't willing to use the nuclear option to stop filibusters.
Due to the filibuster rule you need, in effect, 60 senators as you need 60 to override the filibuster.
Didn't the Republicans change that recently to make it just a simple majority ?
I'm cheering for France because they helped us with the Falklands, plus I want to see Maradona cry.
Plus I still feel guilty about the events at Mers-el-Kébir.
..by helping Argentina by selling them Exocets?
They didn't. At least not once the invasion had happened. France were great help to the British during the Falklands including giving us all the information we needed to neutralise the threat of the Exocets. And that comes from a man who should certainly should know and who called them our greatest ally in the war.
I pointed that out on here before and our own @Dura_Ace assured me that that was just a rogue element for which the French government could not be held accountable.
He was right.
"You must understand, the French President never knows what French Security is doing."
I don't think it's sensible at all, but if you don't want a disorderly break up of the UK, you need a deal, and that's the only one that works. Otherwise we reverse Brexit which would be my preference.
The disorderly break up of the UK isn't in anyone's interest. You seem somewhat fixated on it; suggesting it is some sort of inevitability sounds frankly ridiculous.
How would you see the days, weeks and months following "no deal" playing out?
I think there would be a great deal of anger directed at both the government, and the EU.
Nationalists in Northern Ireland, Wales and Scotland would blame the former. Unionists would blame the latter.
I don't think it's sensible at all, but if you don't want a disorderly break up of the UK, you need a deal, and that's the only one that works. Otherwise we reverse Brexit which would be my preference.
The disorderly break up of the UK isn't in anyone's interest. You seem somewhat fixated on it; suggesting it is some sort of inevitability sounds frankly ridiculous.
How would you see the days, weeks and months following "no deal" playing out?
I think there would be a great deal of anger directed at both the government, and the EU.
Nationalists in Northern Ireland, Wales and Scotland would blame the former. Unionists would blame the latter.
Trump is a long standing Soviet / Russian spy !!!!
Older pb-ers will remember the same charge being laid against Harold Wilson -- that the prime minister had snow on his boots. Wilson may have been paranoid but they were out to get him.
Trump? Well, from Moscow's point of view, he is at least a useful idiot. Possibly bought and paid for but, as the rhyme about journalists has it: seeing what the man will do unbribed, there's no occasion to. Trump has long been hostile to China and suspicious of Europe: what's not to like?
I'm cheering for France because they helped us with the Falklands, plus I want to see Maradona cry.
Plus I still feel guilty about the events at Mers-el-Kébir.
..by helping Argentina by selling them Exocets?
They didn't. At least not once the invasion had happened. France were great help to the British during the Falklands including giving us all the information we needed to neutralise the threat of the Exocets. And that comes from a man who should certainly should know and who called them our greatest ally in the war.
I pointed that out on here before and our own @Dura_Ace assured me that that was just a rogue element for which the French government could not be held accountable.
He was right.
"You must understand, the French President never knows what French Security is doing."
I'm cheering for France because they helped us with the Falklands, plus I want to see Maradona cry.
Plus I still feel guilty about the events at Mers-el-Kébir.
..by helping Argentina by selling them Exocets?
They didn't. At least not once the invasion had happened. France were great help to the British during the Falklands including giving us all the information we needed to neutralise the threat of the Exocets. And that comes from a man who should certainly should know and who called them our greatest ally in the war.
Nope its still clear cut. The fact that some individuals did not agree with the French Government supporting the British is immaterial. French policy was to help us in every way it could. Very different to the US Ambassador to the UN who so hated the British that she openly advocated the Argentine cause and tried to persuade Reagan to invoke the Rio Pact and have the US support Argentina in the war.
Ambassador Kirkpatrick was a Democrat who only became a Republican in 1985, Reagan's Secretary of State Alexander Haig by contrast was pro British in the conflict. In the end the Reagan administration supported Thatcher's UK in pushing for an Argentine withdrawal while pressing a peaceful solution and Kirkpatrick had to vote for UN SC resolution 502 which the British UN ambassador had proposed
Yep and Reagan was of course very pro-British as far as foreign relations went. But that doesn't change the fact that those claiming the French Government were supporting and helping Argentina whilst ignoring the attitude of senior US representatives are twisting history. It was France who stepped up to the plate to support us straight away whilst the US vacillated.
You are right on the war itself (though Chile was more helpful probably to the UK than either France or the USA and of course France had supplied Argentina with Exocet missiles, albeit before the invasion)
I'm cheering for France because they helped us with the Falklands, plus I want to see Maradona cry.
Plus I still feel guilty about the events at Mers-el-Kébir.
..by helping Argentina by selling them Exocets?
They didn't. At least not once the invasion had happened. France were great help to the British during the Falklands including giving us all the information we needed to neutralise the threat of the Exocets. And that comes from a man who should certainly should know and who called them our greatest ally in the war.
I pointed that out on here before and our own @Dura_Ace assured me that that was just a rogue element for which the French government could not be held accountable.
He was right.
"You must understand, the French President never knows what French Security is doing."
I'm cheering for France because they helped us with the Falklands, plus I want to see Maradona cry.
Plus I still feel guilty about the events at Mers-el-Kébir.
..by helping Argentina by selling them Exocets?
They didn't. At least not once the invasion had happened. France were great help to the British during the Falklands including giving us all the information we needed to neutralise the threat of the Exocets. And that comes from a man who should certainly should know and who called them our greatest ally in the war.
Nope its still clear cut. The fact that some individuals did not agree with the French Government supporting the British is immaterial. French policy was to help us in every way it could. Very different to the US Ambassador to the UN who so hated the British that she openly advocated the Argentine cause and tried to persuade Reagan to invoke the Rio Pact and have the US support Argentina in the war.
Well I guess its clear-cut if you trust the French...
Now I’m confused. Between Jan 2013 and Jan 2015 the Senate was 55-45 in favour of Democrats, who surely would have confirmed whoever Obama chose to nominate had there been a vacancy?
The GOP would have filibustered a truly left wing justice and the Democrats weren't willing to use the nuclear option to stop filibusters.
Due to the filibuster rule you need, in effect, 60 senators as you need 60 to override the filibuster.
Didn't the Republicans change that recently to make it just a simple majority ?
Yes, and I would not be surprised - and it would probably be no bad thing - if the filibuster went entirely.
In an age of all out partisan struggle, and one in which political conventions are routinely flouted, I can’t see it lasting.
I'm cheering for France because they helped us with the Falklands, plus I want to see Maradona cry.
Plus I still feel guilty about the events at Mers-el-Kébir.
..by helping Argentina by selling them Exocets?
They didn't. At least not once the invasion had happened. France were great help to the British during the Falklands including giving us all the information we needed to neutralise the threat of the Exocets. And that comes from a man who should certainly should know and who called them our greatest ally in the war.
Nope its still clear cut. The fact that some individuals did not agree with the French Government supporting the British is immaterial. French policy was to help us in every way it could. Very different to the US Ambassador to the UN who so hated the British that she openly advocated the Argentine cause and tried to persuade Reagan to invoke the Rio Pact and have the US support Argentina in the war.
Well I guess its clear-cut if you trust the French...
On defence and security matters, I do trust the French, because our interests mostly coincide.
I don't think it's sensible at all, but if you don't want a disorderly break up of the UK, you need a deal, and that's the only one that works. Otherwise we reverse Brexit which would be my preference.
The disorderly break up of the UK isn't in anyone's interest. You seem somewhat fixated on it; suggesting it is some sort of inevitability sounds frankly ridiculous.
How would you see the days, weeks and months following "no deal" playing out?
I think there would be a great deal of anger directed at both the government, and the EU.
Nationalists in Northern Ireland, Wales and Scotland would blame the former. Unionists would blame the latter.
Big boost to Sajid Javid's prospects of succeeding May as he tops the Conservative Home Tory members next Tory leader poll released this evening for the first time.
Javid is on 22%, Gove is second on 17%, Mogg third on 14%, Johnson 4th on 8% and Hunt 5th on 4%.
On Monday the website will release head to head figures between Javid, Gove, Boris and Hunt
And he had my vote in that survey
An admission of participation in ConHome surveys would normally attract significant and much deserved opprobrium, followed by formal censure and expulsion.
However the Tories are such a shambles these days it would be considered dashed unsporting to punished you outwith of a yellow card for the gall of admitting your shame so publicly.
I am nowhere near the poltics of con home Jack but as a member of the party they send me their surveys and I fill them in using my own opinion, hence why Boris did not get my vote
I'm cheering for France because they helped us with the Falklands, plus I want to see Maradona cry.
Plus I still feel guilty about the events at Mers-el-Kébir.
..by helping Argentina by selling them Exocets?
They didn't. At least not once the invasion had happened. France were great help to the British during the Falklands including giving us all the information we needed to neutralise the threat of the Exocets. And that comes from a man who should certainly should know and who called them our greatest ally in the war.
Nope its still clear cut. The fact that some individuals did not agree with the French Government supporting the British is immaterial. French policy was to help us in every way it could. Very different to the US Ambassador to the UN who so hated the British that she openly advocated the Argentine cause and tried to persuade Reagan to invoke the Rio Pact and have the US support Argentina in the war.
Well I guess its clear-cut if you trust the French...
On defence and security matters, I do trust the French, because our interests mostly coincide.
Big boost to Sajid Javid's prospects of succeeding May as he tops the Conservative Home Tory members next Tory leader poll released this evening for the first time.
Javid is on 22%, Gove is second on 17%, Mogg third on 14%, Johnson 4th on 8% and Hunt 5th on 4%.
On Monday the website will release head to head figures between Javid, Gove, Boris and Hunt
And he had my vote in that survey
An admission of participation in ConHome surveys would normally attract significant and much deserved opprobrium, followed by formal censure and expulsion.
However the Tories are such a shambles these days it would be considered dashed unsporting to punished you outwith of a yellow card for the gall of admitting your shame so publicly.
I am nowhere near the poltics of con home Jack but as a member of the party they send me their surveys and I fill them in using my own opinion, hence why Boris did not get my vote
Big boost to Sajid Javid's prospects of succeeding May as he tops the Conservative Home Tory members next Tory leader poll released this evening for the first time.
Javid is on 22%, Gove is second on 17%, Mogg third on 14%, Johnson 4th on 8% and Hunt 5th on 4%.
On Monday the website will release head to head figures between Javid, Gove, Boris and Hunt
And he had my vote in that survey
An admission of participation in ConHome surveys would normally attract significant and much deserved opprobrium, followed by formal censure and expulsion.
However the Tories are such a shambles these days it would be considered dashed unsporting to punished you outwith of a yellow card for the gall of admitting your shame so publicly.
I am nowhere near the poltics of con home Jack but as a member of the party they send me their surveys and I fill them in using my own opinion, hence why Boris did not get my vote
I'm cheering for France because they helped us with the Falklands, plus I want to see Maradona cry.
Plus I still feel guilty about the events at Mers-el-Kébir.
..by helping Argentina by selling them Exocets?
They didn't. At least not once the invasion had happened. France were great help to the British during the Falklands including giving us all the information we needed to neutralise the threat of the Exocets. And that comes from a man who should certainly should know and who called them our greatest ally in the war.
Nope its still clear cut. The fact that some individuals did not agree with the French Government supporting the British is immaterial. French policy was to help us in every way it could. Very different to the US Ambassador to the UN who so hated the British that she openly advocated the Argentine cause and tried to persuade Reagan to invoke the Rio Pact and have the US support Argentina in the war.
Ambassador Kirkpatrick was a Democrat who only became a Republican in 1985, Reagan's Secretary of State Alexander Haig by contrast was pro British in the conflict. In the end the Reagan administration supported Thatcher's UK in pushing for an Argentine withdrawal while pressing a peaceful solution and Kirkpatrick had to vote for UN SC resolution 502 which the British UN ambassador had proposed
Yep and Reagan was of course very pro-British as far as foreign relations went. But that doesn't change the fact that those claiming the French Government were supporting and helping Argentina whilst ignoring the attitude of senior US representatives are twisting history. It was France who stepped up to the plate to support us straight away whilst the US vacillated.
You are right on the war itself (though Chile was more helpful probably to the UK than either France or the USA and of course France had supplied Argentina with Exocet missiles, albeit before the invasion)
To be fair, we had armed the Argies too!
Type 42 destroyers HMS Sheffield and HMS Coventry had two sister-ships in the Argentine Navy.
I'm cheering for France because they helped us with the Falklands, plus I want to see Maradona cry.
Plus I still feel guilty about the events at Mers-el-Kébir.
..by helping Argentina by selling them Exocets?
They didn't. At least not once the invasion had happened. France were great help to the British during the Falklands including giving us all the information we needed to neutralise the threat of the Exocets. And that comes from a man who should certainly should know and who called them our greatest ally in the war.
Nope its still clear cut. The fact that some individuals did not agree with the French Government supporting the British is immaterial. French policy was to help us in every way it could. Very different to the US Ambassador to the UN who so hated the British that she openly advocated the Argentine cause and tried to persuade Reagan to invoke the Rio Pact and have the US support Argentina in the war.
Well I guess its clear-cut if you trust the French...
Last time I checked, the French have no territorial claims against UK possessions.
I'm cheering for France because they helped us with the Falklands, plus I want to see Maradona cry.
Plus I still feel guilty about the events at Mers-el-Kébir.
..by helping Argentina by selling them Exocets?
They didn't. At least not once the invasion had happened. France were great help to the British during the Falklands including giving us all the information we needed to neutralise the threat of the Exocets. And that comes from a man who should certainly should know and who called them our greatest ally in the war.
Nope its still clear cut. The fact that some individuals did not agree with the French Government supporting the British is immaterial. French policy was to help us in every way it could. Very different to the US Ambassador to the UN who so hated the British that she openly advocated the Argentine cause and tried to persuade Reagan to invoke the Rio Pact and have the US support Argentina in the war.
Well I guess its clear-cut if you trust the French...
Last time I checked, the French have no territorial claims against UK possessions.
I don't care one way or another. The French would stab us in the back, if it suited their National Interest.. One should ALWAYS be suspicious of the French. Its just they way it is.
I love the idea that we’re going to play divide and rule by translating the white paper. Do they think the reason we’re not making progress is that the other member states can’t understand English?
"...and, oh by the way, the French were really, really helpful to the British: I mean, they shut down all supplies of Exocet missiles and any technical support to the Argentine, but the Argentine managed to set those missiles up themselves on their Super Etendard French aircraft and did a really good job of doing that, but the French, the French have to be given credit for shutting that down..."
“The Falklands War : A Thirty Five Year Perspective”, Brigadier (Retd.) Roderick Macdonald MBE, Marines' Memorial Club, 24 May 2017, see here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vh5Z6MgxTsk (it's 1:00:34 onwards)
"...I was particularly grateful to President Mitterrand, who with the leaders of the Old Commonwealth, was among the staunchest of our friends and who telephoned me personally to pledge support on Saturday. (I was to have many disputes with President Mitterrand in later years, but I never forgot the debt we owed him for his personal support on this occasion and throughout the Falklands crisis). France used her influence in the UN to swing others in our favour..."
Olly Robbins says in the Times if Tory MPs don't want a pusillanimous Brexit they should ditch her.
Ok.
The headline says "if they dare"
They don't
Let's see.
We aren't talking about a GE - just scraping barnacles out of no 10.
She may well win a challenge and that would keep her in place for a year or more. And if the brave hearts show as much courage as Boris they will get nowhere
I'm cheering for France because they helped us with the Falklands, plus I want to see Maradona cry.
Plus I still feel guilty about the events at Mers-el-Kébir.
..by helping Argentina by selling them Exocets?
They didn't. At least not once the invasion had happened. France were great help to the British during the Falklands including giving us all the information we needed to neutralise the threat of the Exocets. And that comes from a man who should certainly should know and who called them our greatest ally in the war.
Nope its still clear cut. The fact that some individuals did not agree with the French Government supporting the British is immaterial. French policy was to help us in every way it could. Very different to the US Ambassador to the UN who so hated the British that she openly advocated the Argentine cause and tried to persuade Reagan to invoke the Rio Pact and have the US support Argentina in the war.
Well I guess its clear-cut if you trust the French...
Last time I checked, the French have no territorial claims against UK possessions.
...apart from the island of Great Britain, of course...
Olly Robbins says in the Times if Tory MPs don't want a pusillanimous Brexit they should ditch her.
Ok.
The headline says "if they dare"
They don't
Let's see.
We aren't talking about a GE - just scraping barnacles out of no 10.
She may well win a challenge and that would keep her in place for a year or more. And if the brave hearts show as much courage as Boris they will get nowhere
She needs to win big to retain credibility. Unlikely standing on a platform of the 2017 GE, a soft Brexit and generally being crap.
I'm cheering for France because they helped us with the Falklands, plus I want to see Maradona cry.
Plus I still feel guilty about the events at Mers-el-Kébir.
..by helping Argentina by selling them Exocets?
They didn't. At least not once the invasion had happened. France were great help to the British during the Falklands including giving us all the information we needed to neutralise the threat of the Exocets. And that comes from a man who should certainly should know and who called them our greatest ally in the war.
Nope its still clear cut. The fact that some individuals did not agree with the French Government supporting the British is immaterial. French policy was to help us in every way it could. Very different to the US Ambassador to the UN who so hated the British that she openly advocated the Argentine cause and tried to persuade Reagan to invoke the Rio Pact and have the US support Argentina in the war.
Well I guess its clear-cut if you trust the French...
Last time I checked, the French have no territorial claims against UK possessions.
...apart from the island of Great Britain, of course...
a) France became a republic in 1792 b) The acts of Union in 1800/1801 expressly dropped the historic English claim to the French throne.
"...I was particularly grateful to President Mitterrand, who with the leaders of the Old Commonwealth, was among the staunchest of our friends and who telephoned me personally to pledge support on Saturday. (I was to have many disputes with President Mitterrand in later years, but I never forgot the debt we owed him for his personal support on this occasion and throughout the Falklands crisis). France used her influence in the UN to swing others in our favour..."
Britain sold two Type 42 destroyers to Argentina in the 1970s. They were sister-ships of HMS Sheffield and Coventry wot were sunk by Argentina in 1982.
Olly Robbins says in the Times if Tory MPs don't want a pusillanimous Brexit they should ditch her.
Ok.
The headline says "if they dare"
They don't
Let's see.
We aren't talking about a GE - just scraping barnacles out of no 10.
She may well win a challenge and that would keep her in place for a year or more. And if the brave hearts show as much courage as Boris they will get nowhere
She needs to win big to retain credibility. Unlikely standing on a platform of the 2017 GE, a soft Brexit and generally being crap.
I think she would but we will see. However, she needs to make a decision on Brexit now
"...I was particularly grateful to President Mitterrand, who with the leaders of the Old Commonwealth, was among the staunchest of our friends and who telephoned me personally to pledge support on Saturday. (I was to have many disputes with President Mitterrand in later years, but I never forgot the debt we owed him for his personal support on this occasion and throughout the Falklands crisis). France used her influence in the UN to swing others in our favour..."
Britain sold two Type 42 destroyers to Argentina in the 1970s. They were sister-ships of HMS Sheffield and Coventry wot were sunk by Argentina in 1982.
I know. We sold them stuff, the Americans sold them stuff, the French sold them stuff. It's no big conspiracy, it's because the US/UK/France sell a lot of arms to a lot of people.
Olly Robbins says in the Times if Tory MPs don't want a pusillanimous Brexit they should ditch her.
Ok.
The headline says "if they dare"
They don't
Let's see.
We aren't talking about a GE - just scraping barnacles out of no 10.
She may well win a challenge and that would keep her in place for a year or more. And if the brave hearts show as much courage as Boris they will get nowhere
She needs to win big to retain credibility. Unlikely standing on a platform of the 2017 GE, a soft Brexit and generally being crap.
"Let me give you some advice. Assume everyone will betray you. And you will never be disappointed."
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I shall give the proposal much consideration .....
Nadal's arse crack grab....it was OK when he was young beautiful...now he looks middle aged and bald it doesn't look right. I much prefer to watch Federer serenely dancing around, or Serena in her Batman catsuit....
The Dems' Senate problem has been that several of their Senators represent Red States. The only way they can hold such Senate seats is by allowing such Senators leeway to vote with Republicans on issues like SCOTUS appointments.
But, does [Sir John Nott], nonetheless, now feel a little let down by a nation that he had previously described as Britain's greatest ally? This was his response:
"We asked Mitterrand not to give assistance to the Argentinians. If you're asking me: 'Are the French duplicitous people?' the answer is: 'Of course they are, and they always have been.'"
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Javid is on 22%, Gove is second on 17%, Mogg third on 14%, Johnson 4th on 8% and Hunt 5th on 4%.
https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2018/06/our-survey-next-tory-leader-javid-tops-the-poll-for-the-first-time.html
On Monday the website will release head to head figures between Javid, Gove, Boris and Hunt
It is always a pleasure to randomly join a thread of pbCOM and to see a certain Mr JackW skulking around....
You start from the premise that the EU is any more than tolerated by the vast majority of the UK - this couldn't be much farther from reality.
Nationalists in Northern Ireland, Wales and Scotland would blame the former. Unionists would blame the latter.
However the Tories are such a shambles these days it would be considered dashed unsporting to punished you outwith of a yellow card for the gall of admitting your shame so publicly.
https://twitter.com/cjsnowdon/status/1012439971188310017?s=21
Your pitiful excuses will be exposed and almost certainly Chief Justice Mike Smithson will place the black cap over the vast expanse of non follicular activity and pronounce the ultimate sentence - Compulsory reading of the speeches of Diane Abbott .... and may God have mercy on your soul.
https://twitter.com/ncpoliticsuk/status/1013156996294610944?s=21
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p052k2jt
Trump? Well, from Moscow's point of view, he is at least a useful idiot. Possibly bought and paid for but, as the rhyme about journalists has it: seeing what the man will do unbribed, there's no occasion to. Trump has long been hostile to China and suspicious of Europe: what's not to like?
France vs Uruguay is a tasty tie for Friday PM.
In an age of all out partisan struggle, and one in which political conventions are routinely flouted, I can’t see it lasting.
Ok.
They don't
“The Falklands War : A Thirty Five Year Perspective”, Brigadier (Retd.) Roderick Macdonald MBE, Marines' Memorial Club, 24 May 2017, see here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vh5Z6MgxTsk (it's 1:00:34 onwards)
"The Downing Street Years" (1993), pp173-85, Margaret Thatcher, see here: https://www.margaretthatcher.org/document/109110
We aren't talking about a GE - just scraping barnacles out of no 10 and 11.
b) The acts of Union in 1800/1801 expressly dropped the historic English claim to the French throne.