Getting this in before we get the full results: Big swings in several Sunderland and Nuneaton wards are a salient reminder of how a modest national or regional swing can be much bigger in places - and we shouldn't be too confident that councils will change hands in 'the right order'. Could Labour win Wandsworth but not Barnet? Probably not, but it's not as impossible as we sometimes think when looking at the previous results. Could Labour win somewhere like Westminster? Again, probably not - but we are probably too quick to rule out sizeable swings.
The Swindon results are the most interesting that I'm waiting for. The type of area that is trending Labour and that Labour need to be making progress in, to win a majority. Also an area where the Brexit result was similar to the national share.
Is JohnO standing again this year? I think his council is up (although maybe not his ward).
Hi Rob, No, but my ward (Hersham Village) is an ultra marginal and we’ve thrown everything into the campaign. The count is tomorrow morning. My term at Surrey CC ends in 2021.
The young electrician was right - unless you manage to get the sort of job @MaxPB has it isn't worth heading to London. Move north, and you can accumulate assets.
Who is the young electrician ?
Someone on QT or someone important such as a PBer ?
On Question Time. The comic on the panel had a massive go at him for being anti working class or something 23:10 in.
Oh dear. I’m sure at some point the youngsters will vote with their feet. It is difficult if you put down roots in an area. Perhaps what will happen is the current university students will see what’s happening and avoid London from the off. But the bright lights really are a pull factor and most people aren’t as hard nosed as we are on here.
Obviously I appreciate not everyone is going to want to live in Bassetlaw like me but Manchester is a genuinely good compromise of economy & house prices right now.
It really does mystify me why more 20-somethings don't move to Liverpool or Manchester than London. London is great, but Liverpool and Manchester (among others) have a lot of things to live if you like the big city - and quality of life is so much higher.
In my experience, wages are pretty similar now - London, Manchester and Birmingham. Its a no brainer to move out of London.
Curtice (BBC website) saying that we might have signs from these early results that Labour aren’t going to perform that strongly in heavy Leave places. Will be interesting to see if there is a Leave/Remain divide in the results.
There is a Leave/Remain divide in every effing aspect of this country I don't see why local elections should be any different.
The young electrician was right - unless you manage to get the sort of job @MaxPB has it isn't worth heading to London. Move north, and you can accumulate assets.
Who is the young electrician ?
Someone on QT or someone important such as a PBer ?
On Question Time. The comic on the panel had a massive go at him for being anti working class or something 23:10 in.
Oh dear. I’m sure at some point the youngsters will vote with their feet. It is difficult if you put down roots in an area. Perhaps what will happen is the current university students will see what’s happening and avoid London from the off. But the bright lights really are a pull factor and most people aren’t as hard nosed as we are on here.
Obviously I appreciate not everyone is going to want to live in Bassetlaw like me but Manchester is a genuinely good compromise of economy & house prices right now.
It really does mystify me why more 20-somethings don't move to Liverpool or Manchester than London. London is great, but Liverpool and Manchester (among others) have a lot of things to live if you like the big city - and quality of life is so much higher.
I remember having this argument with Alastair a year ago. London's great, but only the super-rich can afford to live a good life there. If you're young and on a good salary, you can live in a nice house in the choicest bits of any other big city - Didsbury, Gosforth, Calderstones, West Bridgford, Roundhay, Crosspool - for what you would pay for a two-bedroomed flat in Rotherhithe or Leyton. London is great, but not ath that price.
Curtice (BBC website) saying that we might have signs from these early results that Labour aren’t going to perform that strongly in heavy Leave places. Will be interesting to see if there is a Leave/Remain divide in the results.
Shame those LEAVE places didn't swing heavily for CON in 2017. Theresa would've had a decent majority and Brexit wouldn't be in peril...
Hendon Ward (Sunderland) results - from Twitter so might not be bang on?
Barbara MccLennan - Labour and Co-operative Party 1,029 Syed Ali - Conservative Party 421 Kris Brown - The North East Party 342 Richard Bradley - Green Party 239 Anthony Usher - Liberal Democrat 134
Decent first effort from our candidate, shame we didn't clinch 2nd place.
Is JohnO standing again this year? I think his council is up (although maybe not his ward).
Hi Rob, No, but my ward (Hersham Village) is an ultra marginal and we’ve thrown everything into the campaign. The count is tomorrow morning. My term at Surrey CC ends in 2021.
Hadn't realised that you've been elevated from district to county councillor! Hereditary dukedom is just one more step up, surely?
Early days, but the Tories are slaughtering Labour in Northern towns. Wonder if this means Trafford won't switch after all, or is it sufficiently central to Manchester to be more 'London-esque'?
Unlike Manchester City Council, Trafford counts overnight.
The young electrician was right - unless you manage to get the sort of job @MaxPB has it isn't worth heading to London. Move north, and you can accumulate assets.
Who is the young electrician ?
Someone on QT or someone important such as a PBer ?
On Question Time. The comic on the panel had a massive go at him for being anti working class or something 23:10 in.
Oh dear. I’m sure at some point the youngsters will vote with their feet. It is difficult if you put down roots in an area. Perhaps what will happen is the current university students will see what’s happening and avoid London from the off. But the bright lights really are a pull factor and most people aren’t as hard nosed as we are on here.
Obviously I appreciate not everyone is going to want to live in Bassetlaw like me but Manchester is a genuinely good compromise of economy & house prices right now.
It really does mystify me why more 20-somethings don't move to Liverpool or Manchester than London. London is great, but Liverpool and Manchester (among others) have a lot of things to live if you like the big city - and quality of life is so much higher.
Quite a lot of 20-somethings DO move to Manchester. We have the biggest university in the country, as well as a couple of others, and we have pretty high retention rates as well as pretty high rates of Mancunians choosing to come back home after going to university elsewhere. We're getting net inflows of 20-somethings. I ahree with your point - I'm surprised anybody in their 20s moves to London any more - but Manchester's doing all right on that score. Can't speak for the other cities in the north...
An 88-yr old acquaintance of mine, whose face would appear, should you look up champagne socialist in the dictionary, and who has voted Lab since she was at Cambridge with Jack Ashley, voted Green and not Labour tonight for the first time in her life.
The young electrician was right - unless you manage to get the sort of job @MaxPB has it isn't worth heading to London. Move north, and you can accumulate assets.
Who is the young electrician ?
Someone on QT or someone important such as a PBer ?
On Question Time. The comic on the panel had a massive go at him for being anti working class or something 23:10 in.
Oh dear. I’m sure at some point the youngsters will vote with their feet. It is difficult if you put down roots in an area. Perhaps what will happen is the current university students will see what’s happening and avoid London from the off. But the bright lights really are a pull factor and most people aren’t as hard nosed as we are on here.
Obviously I appreciate not everyone is going to want to live in Bassetlaw like me but Manchester is a genuinely good compromise of economy & house prices right now.
It really does mystify me why more 20-somethings don't move to Liverpool or Manchester than London. London is great, but Liverpool and Manchester (among others) have a lot of things to live if you like the big city - and quality of life is so much higher.
I remember having this argument with Alastair a year ago. London's great, but only the super-rich can afford to live a good life there. If you're young and on a good salary, you can live in a nice house in the choicest bits of any other big city - Didsbury, Gosforth, Calderstones, West Bridgford, Roundhay, Crosspool - for what you would pay for a two-bedroomed flat in Rotherhithe or Leyton. London is great, but not ath that price.
A disproportionate number of grad jobs are in the Great Wen. Costs are higher, but salaries and prospects are too.
The young electrician was right - unless you manage to get the sort of job @MaxPB has it isn't worth heading to London. Move north, and you can accumulate assets.
Who is the young electrician ?
Someone on QT or someone important such as a PBer ?
On Question Time. The comic on the panel had a massive go at him for being anti working class or something 23:10 in.
Oh dear. I’m sure at some point the youngsters will vote with their feet. It is difficult if you put down roots in an area. Perhaps what will happen is the current university students will see what’s happening and avoid London from the off. But the bright lights really are a pull factor and most people aren’t as hard nosed as we are on here.
Obviously I appreciate not everyone is going to want to live in Bassetlaw like me but Manchester is a genuinely good compromise of economy & house prices right now.
It really does mystify me why more 20-somethings don't move to Liverpool or Manchester than London. London is great, but Liverpool and Manchester (among others) have a lot of things to live if you like the big city - and quality of life is so much higher.
Quite a lot of 20-somethings DO move to Manchester. We have the biggest university in the country, as well as a couple of others, and we have pretty high retention rates as well as pretty high rates of Mancunians choosing to come back home after going to university elsewhere. We're getting net inflows of 20-somethings. I ahree with your point - I'm surprised anybody in their 20s moves to London any more - but Manchester's doing all right on that score. Can't speak for the other cities in the north...
I'd thought London was a net importer of 20 somethings but an exporter of 30 somethings. Can't find the figures now, and now sure if Manchester is an importer of 20 somethings too.
Cons appear to be doing very well in areas where they're still miles off winning. Which is, I suppose, nice news for them if not actually any bloody use.
The young electrician was right - unless you manage to get the sort of job @MaxPB has it isn't worth heading to London. Move north, and you can accumulate assets.
Who is the young electrician ?
Someone on QT or someone important such as a PBer ?
On Question Time. The comic on the panel had a massive go at him for being anti working class or something 23:10 in.
Oh dear. I’m sure at some point the youngsters will vote with their feet. It is difficult if you put down roots in an area. Perhaps what will happen is the current university students will see what’s happening and avoid London from the off. But the bright lights really are a pull factor and most people aren’t as hard nosed as we are on here.
In reality, the bright lights involve working round the clock in order to live in some crummy rental place and not have much left over at the end of the month. Or, if you have parents in London, live at home. Other cities provide a better lifestyle and the hope of a realistic independence.
Yebbut as @MaxPB has shown, working hard in London, moreso than any other UK city, can get you very tangible benefits indeed.
If you work in the City.....
But you’re still a hamster on a wheel, albeit it’s a very gilded wheel. If you have a large mortgage to pay for a flat in London, you are still a wage slave.
What you want - or should want - is the ability to acquire a large “Fuck Off” or “Running Away” Fund so that you are not trapped - as all too many London professionals are - in a cycle of having to work in high earning jobs in order to pay for the homes and school fees and higher transport (and every other sort of) costs and expensive holidays in order to cope with the stress of working every hour God sends etc etc.....
The young electrician was right - unless you manage to get the sort of job @MaxPB has it isn't worth heading to London. Move north, and you can accumulate assets.
Who is the young electrician ?
Someone on QT or someone important such as a PBer ?
On Question Time. The comic on the panel had a massive go at him for being anti working class or something 23:10 in.
Oh dear. I’m sure at some point the youngsters will vote with their feet. It is difficult if you put down roots in an area. Perhaps what will happen is the current university students will see what’s happening and avoid London from the off. But the bright lights really are a pull factor and most people aren’t as hard nosed as we are on here.
In reality, the bright lights involve working round the clock in order to live in some crummy rental place and not have much left over at the end of the month. Or, if you have parents in London, live at home. Other cities provide a better lifestyle and the hope of a realistic independence.
Yebbut as @MaxPB has shown, working hard in London, moreso than any other UK city, can get you very tangible benefits indeed.
If you work in the City.....
But you’re still a hamster on a wheel, albeit it’s a very gilded wheel. If you have a large mortgage to pay for a flat in London, you are still a wage slave.
What you want - or should want - is the ability to acquire a large “Fuck Off” or “Running Away” Fund so that you are not trapped - as all too many London professionals are - in a cycle of having to work in high earning jobs in order to pay for the homes and school fees and higher transport (and every other sort of) costs and expensive holidays in order to cope with the stress of working every hour God sends etc etc.....
Most people struggle wherever they are. Bus drivers, solicitors, gardeners, investment bankers. A nice home, children with a good education, and nice holidays seems like a good payback.
The young electrician was right - unless you manage to get the sort of job @MaxPB has it isn't worth heading to London. Move north, and you can accumulate assets.
Who is the young electrician ?
Someone on QT or someone important such as a PBer ?
On Question Time. The comic on the panel had a massive go at him for being anti working class or something 23:10 in.
Oh dear. I’m sure at some point the youngsters will vote with their feet. It is difficult if you put down roots in an area. Perhaps what will happen is the current university students will see what’s happening and avoid London from the off. But the bright lights really are a pull factor and most people aren’t as hard nosed as we are on here.
In reality, the bright lights involve working round the clock in order to live in some crummy rental place and not have much left over at the end of the month. Or, if you have parents in London, live at home. Other cities provide a better lifestyle and the hope of a realistic independence.
Yebbut as @MaxPB has shown, working hard in London, moreso than any other UK city, can get you very tangible benefits indeed.
If you work in the City.....
But you’re still a hamster on a wheel, albeit it’s a very gilded wheel. If you have a large mortgage to pay for a flat in London, you are still a wage slave.
What you want - or should want - is the ability to acquire a large “Fuck Off” or “Running Away” Fund so that you are not trapped - as all too many London professionals are - in a cycle of having to work in high earning jobs in order to pay for the homes and school fees and higher transport (and every other sort of) costs and expensive holidays in order to cope with the stress of working every hour God sends etc etc.....
Thats what I decided in 1990, and do not regret my decision. My yearmates who stayed in London are far richer, mostly because of house price inflation. Leics remains cheap.
If that's right its pretty amazing - its a ward Labour should only lose when they're 20% behind in the national polls.
There seem to be real shifts in electoral patterns.
yes....like when the south switched to the GOP. It is a myth to say the south switched wholesale form dem to dem in 1968....it happened slowly over a couple of decades, and we *might* be seeing the same here. Of course this will mean Tories slowly losing their grip in southern England.
The young electrician was right - unless you manage to get the sort of job @MaxPB has it isn't worth heading to London. Move north, and you can accumulate assets.
Who is the young electrician ?
Someone on QT or someone important such as a PBer ?
On Question Time. The comic on the panel had a massive go at him for being anti working class or something 23:10 in.
Oh dear. I’m sure at some point the youngsters will vote with their feet. It is difficult if you put down roots in an area. Perhaps what will happen is the current university students will see what’s happening and avoid London from the off. But the bright lights really are a pull factor and most people aren’t as hard nosed as we are on here.
Obviously I appreciate not everyone is going to want to live in Bassetlaw like me but Manchester is a genuinely good compromise of economy & house prices right now.
It really does mystify me why more 20-somethings don't move to Liverpool or Manchester than London. London is great, but Liverpool and Manchester (among others) have a lot of things to live if you like the big city - and quality of life is so much higher.
Quite a lot of 20-somethings DO move to Manchester. We have the biggest university in the country, as well as a couple of others, and we have pretty high retention rates as well as pretty high rates of Mancunians choosing to come back home after going to university elsewhere. We're getting net inflows of 20-somethings. I ahree with your point - I'm surprised anybody in their 20s moves to London any more - but Manchester's doing all right on that score. Can't speak for the other cities in the north...
My son is in Manchester. At uni. Prefers it to London.
On the results so far, Brexit may mean UNS is dead. IIRC UNS wasn’t very predictive last year. The early results made many us of think the exit poll was wrong.
The young electrician was right - unless you manage to get the sort of job @MaxPB has it isn't worth heading to London. Move north, and you can accumulate assets.
Who is the young electrician ?
Someone on QT or someone important such as a PBer ?
On Question Time. The comic on the panel had a massive go at him for being anti working class or something 23:10 in.
Oh dear. I’m sure at some point the youngsters will vote with their feet. It is difficult if you put down roots in an area. Perhaps what will happen is the current university students will see what’s happening and avoid London from the off. But the bright lights really are a pull factor and most people aren’t as hard nosed as we are on here.
In reality, the bright lights involve working round the clock in order to live in some crummy rental place and not have much left over at the end of the month. Or, if you have parents in London, live at home. Other cities provide a better lifestyle and the hope of a realistic independence.
Yebbut as @MaxPB has shown, working hard in London, moreso than any other UK city, can get you very tangible benefits indeed.
If you work in the City.....
But you’re still a hamster on a wheel, albeit it’s a very gilded wheel. If you have a large mortgage to pay for a flat in London, you are still a wage slave.
What you want - or should want - is the ability to acquire a large “Fuck Off” or “Running Away” Fund so that you are not trapped - as all too many London professionals are - in a cycle of having to work in high earning jobs in order to pay for the homes and school fees and higher transport (and every other sort of) costs and expensive holidays in order to cope with the stress of working every hour God sends etc etc.....
Most people struggle wherever they are. Bus drivers, solicitors, gardeners, investment bankers. A nice home, children with a good education, and nice holidays seems like a good payback.
Personally I'm hoping to spend a good amount of time as a DINK (Dual income, no kids), however most battle plans don't survive contact with the enemy (or girlfriend in this case...)
If that's right its pretty amazing - its a ward Labour should only lose when they're 20% behind in the national polls.
There seem to be real shifts in electoral patterns.
yes....like when the south switched to the GOP. It is a myth to say the south switched wholesale form dem to dem in 1968....it happened slowly over a couple of decades, and we *might* be seeing the same here. Of course this will mean Tories slowly losing their grip in southern England.
If that's right its pretty amazing - its a ward Labour should only lose when they're 20% behind in the national polls.
There seem to be real shifts in electoral patterns.
yes....like when the south switched to the GOP. It is a myth to say the south switched wholesale form dem to dem in 1968....it happened slowly over a couple of decades, and we *might* be seeing the same here. Of course this will mean Tories slowly losing their grip in southern England.
Affordable housing.
yes...that is a big factor but of course never the only one. I think many parts of the north and midlands are more conservative when it comes to immigration for example.
On the results so far, Brexit may mean UNS is dead. IIRC UNS wasn’t very predictive last year. The early results made many us of think the exit poll was wrong.
She means in Greater Manchester.
There are various Conservative controlled councils in the NW, not least Lancashire county council.
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Labour hold in the end. By 30 votes
Barbara MccLennan - Labour and Co-operative Party 1,029
Syed Ali - Conservative Party 421
Kris Brown - The North East Party 342
Richard Bradley - Green Party 239
Anthony Usher - Liberal Democrat 134
Decent first effort from our candidate, shame we didn't clinch 2nd place.
wtf?
Good luck with the count tonight!
https://twitter.com/NCPoliticsUK/status/992168265232343041?s=20
Looks like Leave areas really don’t like Labour.
What had it said?
Unlike Manchester City Council, Trafford counts overnight.
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/992175134910943233?s=20
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/992175134910943233
Haydock (St Helens) result:
Lab: 46.4% (-13.6)
Grn: 38.5% (+33.5)
Con: 15.1% (+5.0)
No UKIP (-23.0)
(I am so sorry for the typo).
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/992175711468257282
I ahree with your point - I'm surprised anybody in their 20s moves to London any more - but Manchester's doing all right on that score. Can't speak for the other cities in the north...
2014
Lab 1254
UKIP 735
Con 367
LD 115
Today
Lab 1235
Greens 960
Con 261
Con 1,232
Lab 612
But you’re still a hamster on a wheel, albeit it’s a very gilded wheel. If you have a large mortgage to pay for a flat in London, you are still a wage slave.
What you want - or should want - is the ability to acquire a large “Fuck Off” or “Running Away” Fund so that you are not trapped - as all too many London professionals are - in a cycle of having to work in high earning jobs in order to pay for the homes and school fees and higher transport (and every other sort of) costs and expensive holidays in order to cope with the stress of working every hour God sends etc etc.....
But when you roam from a UK network you get shunted to 3G or lower.
Con 906
Lab 836
Thatto Heath
Lab: 68.6% (+7.3)
Con: 22.4% (+14.5)
UKIP: 8.9% (-10.7)
There seem to be real shifts in electoral patterns.
Anywhere which is very Leave, Labour looks set to do badly.
It was the result in 2015 that made me think the Tory majority was on.
Exhall:
Con 1,060
Lab 825
Ind 110
Green 67
TUSC 42
Con gain St Chads' from Lab
Lab gain Copt Hill from Ind
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuneaton_(UK_Parliament_constituency)
Expectation management?
On the results so far, Brexit may mean UNS is dead. IIRC UNS wasn’t very predictive last year. The early results made many us of think the exit poll was wrong.
Wait wat? Huh?
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/992177319736414209?s=20
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/992177149619720193?s=20
There are various Conservative controlled councils in the NW, not least Lancashire county council.
Count finished
Bede: Labour gain from Ind (Ind was not defending the seat)
Cleadon & East Boldon: Con gain from Lab (it was a Lab gain in 2014)
The other 16 wards were Labour hold