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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,946
    Pulpstar said:

    Decent QT from Martin Lewis there.

    Indeed. More than can be said for the one who was meant to be funny, and the Labour front bencher...
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    QuincelQuincel Posts: 3,949
    Getting this in before we get the full results: Big swings in several Sunderland and Nuneaton wards are a salient reminder of how a modest national or regional swing can be much bigger in places - and we shouldn't be too confident that councils will change hands in 'the right order'. Could Labour win Wandsworth but not Barnet? Probably not, but it's not as impossible as we sometimes think when looking at the previous results. Could Labour win somewhere like Westminster? Again, probably not - but we are probably too quick to rule out sizeable swings.
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    ArtistArtist Posts: 1,882
    edited May 2018
    The Swindon results are the most interesting that I'm waiting for. The type of area that is trending Labour and that Labour need to be making progress in, to win a majority. Also an area where the Brexit result was similar to the national share.
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    edited May 2018



    Recount in Astley & Buckshaw (Chorley) where Labour won by 10 points over Con in 2014


    Labour hold in the end. By 30 votes
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    JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,215
    RobD said:

    Is JohnO standing again this year? I think his council is up (although maybe not his ward).

    Hi Rob, No, but my ward (Hersham Village) is an ultra marginal and we’ve thrown everything into the campaign. The count is tomorrow morning. My term at Surrey CC ends in 2021.
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    nielhnielh Posts: 1,307
    Quincel said:

    Pulpstar said:

    tlg86 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    The young electrician was right - unless you manage to get the sort of job @MaxPB has it isn't worth heading to London. Move north, and you can accumulate assets.

    Who is the young electrician ?

    Someone on QT or someone important such as a PBer ?
    On Question Time. The comic on the panel had a massive go at him for being anti working class or something D:
    23:10 in.
    Oh dear. I’m sure at some point the youngsters will vote with their feet. It is difficult if you put down roots in an area. Perhaps what will happen is the current university students will see what’s happening and avoid London from the off. But the bright lights really are a pull factor and most people aren’t as hard nosed as we are on here.
    Obviously I appreciate not everyone is going to want to live in Bassetlaw like me but Manchester is a genuinely good compromise of economy & house prices right now.
    It really does mystify me why more 20-somethings don't move to Liverpool or Manchester than London. London is great, but Liverpool and Manchester (among others) have a lot of things to live if you like the big city - and quality of life is so much higher.
    In my experience, wages are pretty similar now - London, Manchester and Birmingham. Its a no brainer to move out of London.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,314

    Curtice (BBC website) saying that we might have signs from these early results that Labour aren’t going to perform that strongly in heavy Leave places. Will be interesting to see if there is a Leave/Remain divide in the results.

    There is a Leave/Remain divide in every effing aspect of this country I don't see why local elections should be any different.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    These local elections are strong for the Tories so far - looking like a continuation of LE17 rather than GE17.
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419
    Pulpstar said:

    tlg86 said:

    I didn’t think we’d be getting results this early.

    Shouldn’t take that long to count a few thousand votes.
    Yeah but

    The GE doesn't have 3 member wards.
    Not everyone votes LD LD LD or LAB LAB LAB
    The councils declaring now don't have 3-vacancy elections; they're election-by-thirds.
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    CookieCookie Posts: 11,449
    Quincel said:

    Pulpstar said:

    tlg86 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    The young electrician was right - unless you manage to get the sort of job @MaxPB has it isn't worth heading to London. Move north, and you can accumulate assets.

    Who is the young electrician ?

    Someone on QT or someone important such as a PBer ?
    On Question Time. The comic on the panel had a massive go at him for being anti working class or something D:
    23:10 in.
    Oh dear. I’m sure at some point the youngsters will vote with their feet. It is difficult if you put down roots in an area. Perhaps what will happen is the current university students will see what’s happening and avoid London from the off. But the bright lights really are a pull factor and most people aren’t as hard nosed as we are on here.
    Obviously I appreciate not everyone is going to want to live in Bassetlaw like me but Manchester is a genuinely good compromise of economy & house prices right now.
    It really does mystify me why more 20-somethings don't move to Liverpool or Manchester than London. London is great, but Liverpool and Manchester (among others) have a lot of things to live if you like the big city - and quality of life is so much higher.
    I remember having this argument with Alastair a year ago. London's great, but only the super-rich can afford to live a good life there. If you're young and on a good salary, you can live in a nice house in the choicest bits of any other big city - Didsbury, Gosforth, Calderstones, West Bridgford, Roundhay, Crosspool - for what you would pay for a two-bedroomed flat in Rotherhithe or Leyton. London is great, but not ath that price.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,822

    Curtice (BBC website) saying that we might have signs from these early results that Labour aren’t going to perform that strongly in heavy Leave places. Will be interesting to see if there is a Leave/Remain divide in the results.

    Shame those LEAVE places didn't swing heavily for CON in 2017. Theresa would've had a decent majority and Brexit wouldn't be in peril...
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    Hendon Ward (Sunderland) results - from Twitter so might not be bang on?

    Barbara MccLennan - Labour and Co-operative Party 1,029
    Syed Ali - Conservative Party 421
    Kris Brown - The North East Party 342
    Richard Bradley - Green Party 239
    Anthony Usher - Liberal Democrat 134

    Decent first effort from our candidate, shame we didn't clinch 2nd place.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    nunuone said:
    Who are these Liberal Democrat people?
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    edited May 2018
    Millfield (Sunderland) : LD gain from Labour. It was 4% maj in 2014
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,969
    JohnO said:

    RobD said:

    Is JohnO standing again this year? I think his council is up (although maybe not his ward).

    Hi Rob, No, but my ward (Hersham Village) is an ultra marginal and we’ve thrown everything into the campaign. The count is tomorrow morning. My term at Surrey CC ends in 2021.
    Hadn't realised that you've been elevated from district to county councillor! Hereditary dukedom is just one more step up, surely? :D

    Good luck with the count tonight!
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    nunuone said:
    I'd want to have confirmation of that result.
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    The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830

    nunuone said:
    Who are these Liberal Democrat people?
    Apparently that area is very Brexity.

    https://twitter.com/NCPoliticsUK/status/992168265232343041?s=20

    Looks like Leave areas really don’t like Labour.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,946
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,969
    edited May 2018
    nunuone said:
    The tweet has been deleted :o

    What had it said?
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    QuincelQuincel Posts: 3,949
    Early days, but the Tories are slaughtering Labour in Northern towns. Wonder if this means Trafford won't switch after all, or is it sufficiently central to Manchester to be more 'London-esque'?

    Unlike Manchester City Council, Trafford counts overnight.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,850
    Oh my word. Look at that result from St. Helens. We're getting the sort of results you'd expect if the Tories were 20% up.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,969
    Sean_F said:

    Oh my word. Look at that result from St. Helens. We're getting the sort of results you'd expect if the Tories were 20% up.

    Oh, looks like it was a typo :p
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,981
    False news alert
    Haydock (St Helens) result:

    Lab: 46.4% (-13.6)
    Grn: 38.5% (+33.5)
    Con: 15.1% (+5.0)

    No UKIP (-23.0)

    (I am so sorry for the typo).
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Haydock is a Labour hold, BritainElects made a mistake.
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    ChameleonChameleon Posts: 3,886
    For a moment I thought that we were in for an interesting night.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Sean_F said:

    Oh my word. Look at that result from St. Helens. We're getting the sort of results you'd expect if the Tories were 20% up.

    It was too good for the Tories to be true.
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    The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    Strong performance by the Greens though.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,076
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    CookieCookie Posts: 11,449
    Quincel said:

    Pulpstar said:

    tlg86 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    The young electrician was right - unless you manage to get the sort of job @MaxPB has it isn't worth heading to London. Move north, and you can accumulate assets.

    Who is the young electrician ?

    Someone on QT or someone important such as a PBer ?
    On Question Time. The comic on the panel had a massive go at him for being anti working class or something D:
    23:10 in.
    Oh dear. I’m sure at some point the youngsters will vote with their feet. It is difficult if you put down roots in an area. Perhaps what will happen is the current university students will see what’s happening and avoid London from the off. But the bright lights really are a pull factor and most people aren’t as hard nosed as we are on here.
    Obviously I appreciate not everyone is going to want to live in Bassetlaw like me but Manchester is a genuinely good compromise of economy & house prices right now.
    It really does mystify me why more 20-somethings don't move to Liverpool or Manchester than London. London is great, but Liverpool and Manchester (among others) have a lot of things to live if you like the big city - and quality of life is so much higher.
    Quite a lot of 20-somethings DO move to Manchester. We have the biggest university in the country, as well as a couple of others, and we have pretty high retention rates as well as pretty high rates of Mancunians choosing to come back home after going to university elsewhere. We're getting net inflows of 20-somethings.
    I ahree with your point - I'm surprised anybody in their 20s moves to London any more - but Manchester's doing all right on that score. Can't speak for the other cities in the north...
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    volcanopetevolcanopete Posts: 2,078
    I'm v.happy with 4-1 on a Lab win in Trafford.
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419
    AndyJS said:

    Sean_F said:

    Oh my word. Look at that result from St. Helens. We're getting the sort of results you'd expect if the Tories were 20% up.

    It was too good for the Tories to be true.
    Still a 9.3% swing though. Hardly to be sniffed at after eight years in government.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,314
    RobD said:

    nunuone said:
    The tweet has been deleted :o

    What had it said?
    An 88-yr old acquaintance of mine, whose face would appear, should you look up champagne socialist in the dictionary, and who has voted Lab since she was at Cambridge with Jack Ashley, voted Green and not Labour tonight for the first time in her life.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,689
    Cookie said:

    Quincel said:

    Pulpstar said:

    tlg86 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    The young electrician was right - unless you manage to get the sort of job @MaxPB has it isn't worth heading to London. Move north, and you can accumulate assets.

    Who is the young electrician ?

    Someone on QT or someone important such as a PBer ?
    On Question Time. The comic on the panel had a massive go at him for being anti working class or something D:
    23:10 in.
    Oh dear. I’m sure at some point the youngsters will vote with their feet. It is difficult if you put down roots in an area. Perhaps what will happen is the current university students will see what’s happening and avoid London from the off. But the bright lights really are a pull factor and most people aren’t as hard nosed as we are on here.
    Obviously I appreciate not everyone is going to want to live in Bassetlaw like me but Manchester is a genuinely good compromise of economy & house prices right now.
    It really does mystify me why more 20-somethings don't move to Liverpool or Manchester than London. London is great, but Liverpool and Manchester (among others) have a lot of things to live if you like the big city - and quality of life is so much higher.
    I remember having this argument with Alastair a year ago. London's great, but only the super-rich can afford to live a good life there. If you're young and on a good salary, you can live in a nice house in the choicest bits of any other big city - Didsbury, Gosforth, Calderstones, West Bridgford, Roundhay, Crosspool - for what you would pay for a two-bedroomed flat in Rotherhithe or Leyton. London is great, but not ath that price.
    A disproportionate number of grad jobs are in the Great Wen. Costs are higher, but salaries and prospects are too.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,190
    Does Spain not have 4G?
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Beacon & Bents ward - South Tynside

    2014

    Lab 1254
    UKIP 735
    Con 367
    LD 115

    Today

    Lab 1235
    Greens 960
    Con 261
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    edited May 2018
    23% swing. Hope we see some like that in Newcastle-under-Lyme tomorrow.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited May 2018
    Tory gain from Labour in the Slough ward of Nuneaton & Bedworth with big majority.

    Con 1,232
    Lab 612
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    QuincelQuincel Posts: 3,949
    Cookie said:

    Quincel said:

    Pulpstar said:

    tlg86 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    The young electrician was right - unless you manage to get the sort of job @MaxPB has it isn't worth heading to London. Move north, and you can accumulate assets.

    Who is the young electrician ?

    Someone on QT or someone important such as a PBer ?
    On Question Time. The comic on the panel had a massive go at him for being anti working class or something D:
    23:10 in.
    Oh dear. I’m sure at some point the youngsters will vote with their feet. It is difficult if you put down roots in an area. Perhaps what will happen is the current university students will see what’s happening and avoid London from the off. But the bright lights really are a pull factor and most people aren’t as hard nosed as we are on here.
    Obviously I appreciate not everyone is going to want to live in Bassetlaw like me but Manchester is a genuinely good compromise of economy & house prices right now.
    It really does mystify me why more 20-somethings don't move to Liverpool or Manchester than London. London is great, but Liverpool and Manchester (among others) have a lot of things to live if you like the big city - and quality of life is so much higher.
    Quite a lot of 20-somethings DO move to Manchester. We have the biggest university in the country, as well as a couple of others, and we have pretty high retention rates as well as pretty high rates of Mancunians choosing to come back home after going to university elsewhere. We're getting net inflows of 20-somethings.
    I ahree with your point - I'm surprised anybody in their 20s moves to London any more - but Manchester's doing all right on that score. Can't speak for the other cities in the north...
    I'd thought London was a net importer of 20 somethings but an exporter of 30 somethings. Can't find the figures now, and now sure if Manchester is an importer of 20 somethings too.
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    volcanopetevolcanopete Posts: 2,078
    Probably the story of the night -at least two thirds of the electorate did not vote-ITV
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    CookieCookie Posts: 11,449
    Cons appear to be doing very well in areas where they're still miles off winning. Which is, I suppose, nice news for them if not actually any bloody use.
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,212
    TOPPING said:

    Cyclefree said:

    tlg86 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    The young electrician was right - unless you manage to get the sort of job @MaxPB has it isn't worth heading to London. Move north, and you can accumulate assets.

    Who is the young electrician ?

    Someone on QT or someone important such as a PBer ?
    On Question Time. The comic on the panel had a massive go at him for being anti working class or something D:
    23:10 in.
    Oh dear. I’m sure at some point the youngsters will vote with their feet. It is difficult if you put down roots in an area. Perhaps what will happen is the current university students will see what’s happening and avoid London from the off. But the bright lights really are a pull factor and most people aren’t as hard nosed as we are on here.
    In reality, the bright lights involve working round the clock in order to live in some crummy rental place and not have much left over at the end of the month. Or, if you have parents in London, live at home. Other cities provide a better lifestyle and the hope of a realistic independence.
    Yebbut as @MaxPB has shown, working hard in London, moreso than any other UK city, can get you very tangible benefits indeed.
    If you work in the City.....

    But you’re still a hamster on a wheel, albeit it’s a very gilded wheel. If you have a large mortgage to pay for a flat in London, you are still a wage slave.

    What you want - or should want - is the ability to acquire a large “Fuck Off” or “Running Away” Fund so that you are not trapped - as all too many London professionals are - in a cycle of having to work in high earning jobs in order to pay for the homes and school fees and higher transport (and every other sort of) costs and expensive holidays in order to cope with the stress of working every hour God sends etc etc.....
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,481
    tlg86 said:

    Does Spain not have 4G?

    They do.

    But when you roam from a UK network you get shunted to 3G or lower.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Con gain Nuneaton / Poplar from Lab:

    Con 906
    Lab 836
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    CookieCookie Posts: 11,449

    Beacon & Bents ward - South Tynside

    2014

    Lab 1254
    UKIP 735
    Con 367
    LD 115

    Today

    Lab 1235
    Greens 960
    Con 261

    That old chestnut of the Ukip>Green swing...
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    nunuonenunuone Posts: 1,138

    AndyJS said:

    Sean_F said:

    Oh my word. Look at that result from St. Helens. We're getting the sort of results you'd expect if the Tories were 20% up.

    It was too good for the Tories to be true.
    Still a 9.3% swing though. Hardly to be sniffed at after eight years in government.
    2-3 tory gains in Wakefield looking good?
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,344

    Beacon & Bents ward - South Tynside

    2014

    Lab 1254
    UKIP 735
    Con 367
    LD 115

    Today

    Lab 1235
    Greens 960
    Con 261

    What a bizarre swing, from UKIP to Greens. Personal factors?
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,190

    tlg86 said:

    Does Spain not have 4G?

    They do.

    But when you roam from a UK network you get shunted to 3G or lower.
    Cheeky gits. Just about able to watch the BBC’s coverage.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Labour are taking a battering in Nuneaton & Bedworth.
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Second declaration from St Helens


    Thatto Heath

    Lab: 68.6% (+7.3)
    Con: 22.4% (+14.5)
    UKIP: 8.9% (-10.7)
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,101
    nunuone said:
    If that's right its pretty amazing - its a ward Labour should only lose when they're 20% behind in the national polls.

    There seem to be real shifts in electoral patterns.
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    oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,831
    nunuone said:
    That and the Slough ward results are quite astounding swings - at any stage in an electoral cycle. What has been happening in Nuneaton?
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    QuincelQuincel Posts: 3,949
    AndyJS said:

    Labour are taking a battering in Nuneaton & Bedworth.

    An absolute battering. Has anyone on PB.com mentioned Nuneaton once in all these threads we've had? I certainly didn't have it on my radar one bit!
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,101

    Beacon & Bents ward - South Tynside

    2014

    Lab 1254
    UKIP 735
    Con 367
    LD 115

    Today

    Lab 1235
    Greens 960
    Con 261

    I think you've spelt NOTA as Greens :wink:
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,481
    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Does Spain not have 4G?

    They do.

    But when you roam from a UK network you get shunted to 3G or lower.
    Cheeky gits. Just about able to watch the BBC’s coverage.
    Happens across the world, not just perfidious paella eaters.
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    Beacon & Bents ward - South Tynside

    2014

    Lab 1254
    UKIP 735
    Con 367
    LD 115

    Today

    Lab 1235
    Greens 960
    Con 261

    What a bizarre swing, from UKIP to Greens. Personal factors?
    None of the Above
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,314
    Cyclefree said:

    TOPPING said:

    Cyclefree said:

    tlg86 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    The young electrician was right - unless you manage to get the sort of job @MaxPB has it isn't worth heading to London. Move north, and you can accumulate assets.

    Who is the young electrician ?

    Someone on QT or someone important such as a PBer ?
    On Question Time. The comic on the panel had a massive go at him for being anti working class or something D:
    23:10 in.
    Oh dear. I’m sure at some point the youngsters will vote with their feet. It is difficult if you put down roots in an area. Perhaps what will happen is the current university students will see what’s happening and avoid London from the off. But the bright lights really are a pull factor and most people aren’t as hard nosed as we are on here.
    In reality, the bright lights involve working round the clock in order to live in some crummy rental place and not have much left over at the end of the month. Or, if you have parents in London, live at home. Other cities provide a better lifestyle and the hope of a realistic independence.
    Yebbut as @MaxPB has shown, working hard in London, moreso than any other UK city, can get you very tangible benefits indeed.
    If you work in the City.....

    But you’re still a hamster on a wheel, albeit it’s a very gilded wheel. If you have a large mortgage to pay for a flat in London, you are still a wage slave.

    What you want - or should want - is the ability to acquire a large “Fuck Off” or “Running Away” Fund so that you are not trapped - as all too many London professionals are - in a cycle of having to work in high earning jobs in order to pay for the homes and school fees and higher transport (and every other sort of) costs and expensive holidays in order to cope with the stress of working every hour God sends etc etc.....
    Most people struggle wherever they are. Bus drivers, solicitors, gardeners, investment bankers. A nice home, children with a good education, and nice holidays seems like a good payback.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,822
    AndyJS said:

    Labour are taking a battering in Nuneaton & Bedworth.

    Nuneaton went LEAVE yes?
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,689
    edited May 2018
    Cyclefree said:

    TOPPING said:

    Cyclefree said:

    tlg86 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    The young electrician was right - unless you manage to get the sort of job @MaxPB has it isn't worth heading to London. Move north, and you can accumulate assets.

    Who is the young electrician ?

    Someone on QT or someone important such as a PBer ?
    On Question Time. The comic on the panel had a massive go at him for being anti working class or something D:
    23:10 in.
    Oh dear. I’m sure at some point the youngsters will vote with their feet. It is difficult if you put down roots in an area. Perhaps what will happen is the current university students will see what’s happening and avoid London from the off. But the bright lights really are a pull factor and most people aren’t as hard nosed as we are on here.
    In reality, the bright lights involve working round the clock in order to live in some crummy rental place and not have much left over at the end of the month. Or, if you have parents in London, live at home. Other cities provide a better lifestyle and the hope of a realistic independence.
    Yebbut as @MaxPB has shown, working hard in London, moreso than any other UK city, can get you very tangible benefits indeed.
    If you work in the City.....

    But you’re still a hamster on a wheel, albeit it’s a very gilded wheel. If you have a large mortgage to pay for a flat in London, you are still a wage slave.

    What you want - or should want - is the ability to acquire a large “Fuck Off” or “Running Away” Fund so that you are not trapped - as all too many London professionals are - in a cycle of having to work in high earning jobs in order to pay for the homes and school fees and higher transport (and every other sort of) costs and expensive holidays in order to cope with the stress of working every hour God sends etc etc.....
    Thats what I decided in 1990, and do not regret my decision. My yearmates who stayed in London are far richer, mostly because of house price inflation. Leics remains cheap.
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    The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    AndyJS said:

    Labour are taking a battering in Nuneaton & Bedworth.

    http://www.itv.com/news/central/update/2016-06-24/nuneaton-and-bedworth-vote-to-leave/

    Anywhere which is very Leave, Labour looks set to do badly.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,481
    Quincel said:

    AndyJS said:

    Labour are taking a battering in Nuneaton & Bedworth.

    An absolute battering. Has anyone on PB.com mentioned Nuneaton once in all these threads we've had? I certainly didn't have it on my radar one bit!
    I'll always be fond of Nuneaton.

    It was the result in 2015 that made me think the Tory majority was on.
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    CookieCookie Posts: 11,449

    Beacon & Bents ward - South Tynside

    2014

    Lab 1254
    UKIP 735
    Con 367
    LD 115

    Today

    Lab 1235
    Greens 960
    Con 261

    What a bizarre swing, from UKIP to Greens. Personal factors?
    There's a lot of people searching for a NOTA candidate. It helps if they don't know too much about them.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,190

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Does Spain not have 4G?

    They do.

    But when you roam from a UK network you get shunted to 3G or lower.
    Cheeky gits. Just about able to watch the BBC’s coverage.
    Happens across the world, not just perfidious paella eaters.
    Do we do that to visitors?
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Another Tory gain in Nuneaton:

    Exhall:

    Con 1,060
    Lab 825
    Ind 110
    Green 67
    TUSC 42
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Sunderland

    Con gain St Chads' from Lab

    Lab gain Copt Hill from Ind
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,101
    Quincel said:

    AndyJS said:

    Labour are taking a battering in Nuneaton & Bedworth.

    An absolute battering. Has anyone on PB.com mentioned Nuneaton once in all these threads we've had? I certainly didn't have it on my radar one bit!
    Labour did pretty well in Nuneaton constituency in last year's GE:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuneaton_(UK_Parliament_constituency)
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,969

    Quincel said:

    AndyJS said:

    Labour are taking a battering in Nuneaton & Bedworth.

    An absolute battering. Has anyone on PB.com mentioned Nuneaton once in all these threads we've had? I certainly didn't have it on my radar one bit!
    I'll always be fond of Nuneaton.

    It was the result in 2015 that made me think the Tory majority was on.
    Good times... :D
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,481
    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Does Spain not have 4G?

    They do.

    But when you roam from a UK network you get shunted to 3G or lower.
    Cheeky gits. Just about able to watch the BBC’s coverage.
    Happens across the world, not just perfidious paella eaters.
    Do we do that to visitors?
    Yes, it is a technical issue based on the frequencies used by mobile operators.
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    QuincelQuincel Posts: 3,949

    Quincel said:

    AndyJS said:

    Labour are taking a battering in Nuneaton & Bedworth.

    An absolute battering. Has anyone on PB.com mentioned Nuneaton once in all these threads we've had? I certainly didn't have it on my radar one bit!
    Labour did pretty well in Nuneaton constituency in last year's GE:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuneaton_(UK_Parliament_constituency)
    Good point. Curiouser and Curiouser.
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    nunuonenunuone Posts: 1,138

    nunuone said:
    If that's right its pretty amazing - its a ward Labour should only lose when they're 20% behind in the national polls.

    There seem to be real shifts in electoral patterns.
    yes....like when the south switched to the GOP. It is a myth to say the south switched wholesale form dem to dem in 1968....it happened slowly over a couple of decades, and we *might* be seeing the same here. Of course this will mean Tories slowly losing their grip in southern England.
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,101
    AndyJS said:

    Another Tory gain in Nuneaton:

    Exhall:

    Con 1,060
    Lab 825
    Ind 110
    Green 67
    TUSC 42

    Labour won that ward by 346 votes in 2008.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    Trafford seemingly good for Labour. On at 9-1 there.

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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,212
    Cookie said:

    Quincel said:

    Pulpstar said:

    tlg86 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    The young electrician was right - unless you manage to get the sort of job @MaxPB has it isn't worth heading to London. Move north, and you can accumulate assets.

    Who is the young electrician ?

    Someone on QT or someone important such as a PBer ?
    On Question Time. The comic on the panel had a massive go at him for being anti working class or something D:
    23:10 in.
    Oh dear. I’m sure at some point the youngsters will vote with their feet. It is difficult if you put down roots in an area. Perhaps what will happen is the current university students will see what’s happening and avoid London from the off. But the bright lights really are a pull factor and most people aren’t as hard nosed as we are on here.
    Obviously I appreciate not everyone is going to want to live in Bassetlaw like me but Manchester is a genuinely good compromise of economy & house prices right now.
    It really does mystify me why more 20-somethings don't move to Liverpool or Manchester than London. London is great, but Liverpool and Manchester (among others) have a lot of things to live if you like the big city - and quality of life is so much higher.
    Quite a lot of 20-somethings DO move to Manchester. We have the biggest university in the country, as well as a couple of others, and we have pretty high retention rates as well as pretty high rates of Mancunians choosing to come back home after going to university elsewhere. We're getting net inflows of 20-somethings.
    I ahree with your point - I'm surprised anybody in their 20s moves to London any more - but Manchester's doing all right on that score. Can't speak for the other cities in the north...
    My son is in Manchester. At uni. Prefers it to London.

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    The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    edited May 2018
    https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/992175937327427584?s=20

    Expectation management?

    On the results so far, Brexit may mean UNS is dead. IIRC UNS wasn’t very predictive last year. The early results made many us of think the exit poll was wrong.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,689
    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Does Spain not have 4G?

    They do.

    But when you roam from a UK network you get shunted to 3G or lower.
    Cheeky gits. Just about able to watch the BBC’s coverage.
    At least you have 3 points on Thursday to look forward to!
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,314
    Nite all don't forget in the small hours on a difficult or satisfying night, whisky can help a lot.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,190

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Does Spain not have 4G?

    They do.

    But when you roam from a UK network you get shunted to 3G or lower.
    Cheeky gits. Just about able to watch the BBC’s coverage.
    Happens across the world, not just perfidious paella eaters.
    Do we do that to visitors?
    Yes, it is a technical issue based on the frequencies used by mobile operators.
    I see. Well I don’t think too many people in Madrid are staying up for the UK local election results. :tongue:
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    ChameleonChameleon Posts: 3,886
    TOPPING said:

    Cyclefree said:

    TOPPING said:

    Cyclefree said:

    tlg86 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    The young electrician was right - unless you manage to get the sort of job @MaxPB has it isn't worth heading to London. Move north, and you can accumulate assets.

    Who is the young electrician ?

    Someone on QT or someone important such as a PBer ?
    On Question Time. The comic on the panel had a massive go at him for being anti working class or something D:
    23:10 in.
    Oh dear. I’m sure at some point the youngsters will vote with their feet. It is difficult if you put down roots in an area. Perhaps what will happen is the current university students will see what’s happening and avoid London from the off. But the bright lights really are a pull factor and most people aren’t as hard nosed as we are on here.
    In reality, the bright lights involve working round the clock in order to live in some crummy rental place and not have much left over at the end of the month. Or, if you have parents in London, live at home. Other cities provide a better lifestyle and the hope of a realistic independence.
    Yebbut as @MaxPB has shown, working hard in London, moreso than any other UK city, can get you very tangible benefits indeed.
    If you work in the City.....

    But you’re still a hamster on a wheel, albeit it’s a very gilded wheel. If you have a large mortgage to pay for a flat in London, you are still a wage slave.

    What you want - or should want - is the ability to acquire a large “Fuck Off” or “Running Away” Fund so that you are not trapped - as all too many London professionals are - in a cycle of having to work in high earning jobs in order to pay for the homes and school fees and higher transport (and every other sort of) costs and expensive holidays in order to cope with the stress of working every hour God sends etc etc.....
    Most people struggle wherever they are. Bus drivers, solicitors, gardeners, investment bankers. A nice home, children with a good education, and nice holidays seems like a good payback.
    Personally I'm hoping to spend a good amount of time as a DINK (Dual income, no kids), however most battle plans don't survive contact with the enemy (or girlfriend in this case...)
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Why am I not surprised that Corbyn isn't going down well in Nuneaton?
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    I know my parish council anecdote about a week back (Killamarsh west) was derided here but perhaps it was a straw in the wind...
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,101
    nunuone said:

    nunuone said:
    If that's right its pretty amazing - its a ward Labour should only lose when they're 20% behind in the national polls.

    There seem to be real shifts in electoral patterns.
    yes....like when the south switched to the GOP. It is a myth to say the south switched wholesale form dem to dem in 1968....it happened slowly over a couple of decades, and we *might* be seeing the same here. Of course this will mean Tories slowly losing their grip in southern England.
    Affordable housing.
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Have Labour held only 1 ward in Nuneaton so far?
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,969
    Pulpstar said:

    I know my parish council anecdote about a week back (Killamarsh west) was derided here but perhaps it was a straw in the wind...

    As Killamarsh West goes, so goes the country? :p
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,101
    AndyJS said:

    Why am I not surprised that Corbyn isn't going down well in Nuneaton?

    But Labour got 41% in Nuneaton constituency in the 2017 GE so he didn't put them off too much then.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited May 2018
    Nuneaton isn't exactly in the middle of nowhere: it's only a 63 minute train journey from central London. Must be lots of London commuters there.
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419
    nunuone said:

    AndyJS said:

    Sean_F said:

    Oh my word. Look at that result from St. Helens. We're getting the sort of results you'd expect if the Tories were 20% up.

    It was too good for the Tories to be true.
    Still a 9.3% swing though. Hardly to be sniffed at after eight years in government.
    2-3 tory gains in Wakefield looking good?
    I think so. At the best, we might manage 6; at worst, 1 with a lot of near misses. Should still be an advance whatever.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Tories will be disappointed not to gain Liden, Eldene and Park South in Swindon, although they have got a small swing in their favour.
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    nunuonenunuone Posts: 1,138

    nunuone said:

    nunuone said:
    If that's right its pretty amazing - its a ward Labour should only lose when they're 20% behind in the national polls.

    There seem to be real shifts in electoral patterns.
    yes....like when the south switched to the GOP. It is a myth to say the south switched wholesale form dem to dem in 1968....it happened slowly over a couple of decades, and we *might* be seeing the same here. Of course this will mean Tories slowly losing their grip in southern England.
    Affordable housing.
    yes...that is a big factor but of course never the only one. I think many parts of the north and midlands are more conservative when it comes to immigration for example.
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,101

    https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/992175937327427584?s=20

    Expectation management?

    On the results so far, Brexit may mean UNS is dead. IIRC UNS wasn’t very predictive last year. The early results made many us of think the exit poll was wrong.

    She means in Greater Manchester.

    There are various Conservative controlled councils in the NW, not least Lancashire county council.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    AndyJS said:

    Why am I not surprised that Corbyn isn't going down well in Nuneaton?

    But Labour got 41% in Nuneaton constituency in the 2017 GE so he didn't put them off too much then.
    But Labour won it easily under Blair's leadership.
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    edited May 2018
    SOUTH TYNESIDE

    Count finished

    Bede: Labour gain from Ind (Ind was not defending the seat)

    Cleadon & East Boldon: Con gain from Lab (it was a Lab gain in 2014)

    The other 16 wards were Labour hold
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