"Party sources say they are expecting to make significant gains but to fall short of the incredibly high expectations set for Labour during the campaign."
Must be more complex than that. It won't be that Greens and LDs get a quarter of the UKIP vote each but Labour gets none. There'll be all sorts of churn going on.
Must be more complex than that. It won't be that Greens and LDs get a quarter of the UKIP vote each but Labour gets none. There'll be all sorts of churn going on.
I expect so too.
In local byelections there is a lot of similar churn, often with a net shift UKIP to LDs
Curtice gave a beatdown to Sheffield Labour there lol
???
Said they might do badly over the tree issue and perhaps it could change their mind
Why are they chopping down thousands of trees?
Yet another PFI Ponzi scheme the council is set to pay for 30+ years and it's going to cost them big-time to get out of it.We should be planting millions of trees,not cutting them down.What Sheffield council are doing defies logic.I was in Sheffield when they introduced the tram,another massive cock-up which led to the LDs taking Sheffield from Labour.I suspect the Greens rather than the LDs will be the main beneficiaries of this embarassment for local government.
The young electrician was right - unless you manage to get the sort of job @MaxPB has it isn't worth heading to London. Move north, and you can accumulate assets.
The young electrician was right - unless you manage to get the sort of job @MaxPB has it isn't worth heading to London. Move north, and you can accumulate assets.
Who is the young electrician ?
Someone on QT or someone important such as a PBer ?
The young electrician was right - unless you manage to get the sort of job @MaxPB has it isn't worth heading to London. Move north, and you can accumulate assets.
Who is the young electrician ?
Someone on QT or someone important such as a PBer ?
On Question Time. The comic on the panel had a massive go at him for being anti working class or something 23:10 in.
I'm fairly confident that Richmond is a LibDem gain. Kingston will be a Libdem gain and Sutton a LibDem hold. The swings could be surprising. No betting opportunity on Betfair.
I'm more confident that Richmond will be Yellow than Sutton.
I'm fairly confident that Richmond is a LibDem gain. Kingston will be a Libdem gain and Sutton a LibDem hold. The swings could be surprising. No betting opportunity on Betfair.
I'm more confident that Richmond will be Yellow than Sutton.
Really? in Sutton the LDs had 43 of 53 seats. Hard to see losing 17 of them.
The young electrician was right - unless you manage to get the sort of job @MaxPB has it isn't worth heading to London. Move north, and you can accumulate assets.
Who is the young electrician ?
Someone on QT or someone important such as a PBer ?
On Question Time. The comic on the panel had a massive go at him for being anti working class or something 23:10 in.
Oh dear. I’m sure at some point the youngsters will vote with their feet. It is difficult if you put down roots in an area. Perhaps what will happen is the current university students will see what’s happening and avoid London from the off. But the bright lights really are a pull factor and most people aren’t as hard nosed as we are on here.
The young electrician was right - unless you manage to get the sort of job @MaxPB has it isn't worth heading to London. Move north, and you can accumulate assets.
The young electrician was right - unless you manage to get the sort of job @MaxPB has it isn't worth heading to London. Move north, and you can accumulate assets.
The young electrician was right - unless you manage to get the sort of job @MaxPB has it isn't worth heading to London. Move north, and you can accumulate assets.
Who is the young electrician ?
Someone on QT or someone important such as a PBer ?
On Question Time. The comic on the panel had a massive go at him for being anti working class or something 23:10 in.
Oh dear. I’m sure at some point the youngsters will vote with their feet. It is difficult if you put down roots in an area. Perhaps what will happen is the current university students will see what’s happening and avoid London from the off. But the bright lights really are a pull factor and most people aren’t as hard nosed as we are on here.
Obviously I appreciate not everyone is going to want to live in Bassetlaw like me but Manchester is a genuinely good compromise of economy & house prices right now.
The young electrician was right - unless you manage to get the sort of job @MaxPB has it isn't worth heading to London. Move north, and you can accumulate assets.
That’s exactly why my daughter has moved north.
Sssshhh! Don't tell everyone!
The Londoners are coming! The Londoners are coming!
The young electrician was right - unless you manage to get the sort of job @MaxPB has it isn't worth heading to London. Move north, and you can accumulate assets.
Who is the young electrician ?
Someone on QT or someone important such as a PBer ?
On Question Time. The comic on the panel had a massive go at him for being anti working class or something 23:10 in.
Oh dear. I’m sure at some point the youngsters will vote with their feet. It is difficult if you put down roots in an area. Perhaps what will happen is the current university students will see what’s happening and avoid London from the off. But the bright lights really are a pull factor and most people aren’t as hard nosed as we are on here.
In reality, the bright lights involve working round the clock in order to live in some crummy rental place and not have much left over at the end of the month. Or, if you have parents in London, live at home. Other cities provide a better lifestyle and the hope of a realistic independence.
The young electrician was right - unless you manage to get the sort of job @MaxPB has it isn't worth heading to London. Move north, and you can accumulate assets.
That’s exactly why my daughter has moved north.
Sssshhh! Don't tell everyone!
The Londoners are coming! The Londoners are coming!
The young electrician was right - unless you manage to get the sort of job @MaxPB has it isn't worth heading to London. Move north, and you can accumulate assets.
Who is the young electrician ?
Someone on QT or someone important such as a PBer ?
On Question Time. The comic on the panel had a massive go at him for being anti working class or something 23:10 in.
Oh dear. I’m sure at some point the youngsters will vote with their feet. It is difficult if you put down roots in an area. Perhaps what will happen is the current university students will see what’s happening and avoid London from the off. But the bright lights really are a pull factor and most people aren’t as hard nosed as we are on here.
Obviously I appreciate not everyone is going to want to live in Bassetlaw like me but Manchester is a genuinely good compromise of economy & house prices right now.
I don’t think you can beat the East Midlands for value, but I’m biased by my mum being from Bolsover.
The young electrician was right - unless you manage to get the sort of job @MaxPB has it isn't worth heading to London. Move north, and you can accumulate assets.
Who is the young electrician ?
Someone on QT or someone important such as a PBer ?
On Question Time. The comic on the panel had a massive go at him for being anti working class or something 23:10 in.
Oh dear. I’m sure at some point the youngsters will vote with their feet. It is difficult if you put down roots in an area. Perhaps what will happen is the current university students will see what’s happening and avoid London from the off. But the bright lights really are a pull factor and most people aren’t as hard nosed as we are on here.
Obviously I appreciate not everyone is going to want to live in a tiny village in the middle of nowhere but Manchester is a genuinely good compromise of economy & house prices right now.
Leicester is great value too, and only an hour from the Smoke if you really want to go there, quicker than many London commutes.
The young electrician was right - unless you manage to get the sort of job @MaxPB has it isn't worth heading to London. Move north, and you can accumulate assets.
Who is the young electrician ?
Someone on QT or someone important such as a PBer ?
On Question Time. The comic on the panel had a massive go at him for being anti working class or something 23:10 in.
Oh dear. I’m sure at some point the youngsters will vote with their feet. It is difficult if you put down roots in an area. Perhaps what will happen is the current university students will see what’s happening and avoid London from the off. But the bright lights really are a pull factor and most people aren’t as hard nosed as we are on here.
Obviously I appreciate not everyone is going to want to live in Bassetlaw like me but Manchester is a genuinely good compromise of economy & house prices right now.
It really does mystify me why more 20-somethings don't move to Liverpool or Manchester than London. London is great, but Liverpool and Manchester (among others) have a lot of things to live if you like the big city - and quality of life is so much higher.
So, my expectations for tonight are Labour gains in London being cancelled out by losses from the other 50 million people.
Most of those other 50 million aren't voting are they? (Though the seats outside London still outnumber those from the capital - and the disparity in voters is even bigger given that London's elections are all-out, unlike most elsewhere).
The young electrician was right - unless you manage to get the sort of job @MaxPB has it isn't worth heading to London. Move north, and you can accumulate assets.
Who is the young electrician ?
Someone on QT or someone important such as a PBer ?
On Question Time. The comic on the panel had a massive go at him for being anti working class or something 23:10 in.
Oh dear. I’m sure at some point the youngsters will vote with their feet. It is difficult if you put down roots in an area. Perhaps what will happen is the current university students will see what’s happening and avoid London from the off. But the bright lights really are a pull factor and most people aren’t as hard nosed as we are on here.
In reality, the bright lights involve working round the clock in order to live in some crummy rental place and not have much left over at the end of the month. Or, if you have parents in London, live at home. Other cities provide a better lifestyle and the hope of a realistic independence.
Yebbut as @MaxPB has shown, working hard in London, moreso than any other UK city, can get you very tangible benefits indeed.
The young electrician was right - unless you manage to get the sort of job @MaxPB has it isn't worth heading to London. Move north, and you can accumulate assets.
Who is the young electrician ?
Someone on QT or someone important such as a PBer ?
On Question Time. The comic on the panel had a massive go at him for being anti working class or something 23:10 in.
Oh dear. I’m sure at some point the youngsters will vote with their feet. It is difficult if you put down roots in an area. Perhaps what will happen is the current university students will see what’s happening and avoid London from the off. But the bright lights really are a pull factor and most people aren’t as hard nosed as we are on here.
In reality, the bright lights involve working round the clock in order to live in some crummy rental place and not have much left over at the end of the month. Or, if you have parents in London, live at home. Other cities provide a better lifestyle and the hope of a realistic independence.
For a professional, most provincial cities offer a better standard of life than London.
Curtice (BBC website) saying that we might have signs from these early results that Labour aren’t going to perform that strongly in heavy Leave places. Will be interesting to see if there is a Leave/Remain divide in the results.
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Lab 54%
Con 39%
Other 7%
In local byelections there is a lot of similar churn, often with a net shift UKIP to LDs
I wonder if there are local factors involved ?
first Tory GAIN!
Lab: 54.4% (+2.2)
Con: 23.7% (+8.7)
Ind: 13.2% (+13.2)
Grn: 4.7% (+4.7)
LDem: 4.1% (+0.8)
UKIP (-29.4)
Since won in By-election.
Lib Dem councillors tend to work bloody hard once they're in, and Labour regard places as their birthright.
Recount in Astley & Buckshaw (Chorley) where Labour won by 10 points over Con in 2014
Lab: 48.6% (+13.5)
Con: 33.7% (+15.8)
UKIP: 17.7% (-25.2)
Labour GAIN from UKIP.
Someone on QT or someone important such as a PBer ?
He is right though whoever he is.
23:10 in.
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/992167514993053698
Edit: And in Bede, Nuneaton.
The GE doesn't have 3 member wards.
Not everyone votes LD LD LD or LAB LAB LAB
Con 1560
Lab 1238
First ward in Nuneaton for Labour is a hold but with a awful result
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/992169394825506816
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/992169982527143937
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/992170306369449984
https://twitter.com/NBBCouncil/status/992170822671495168
St Chad's should be a Con gain (but unsurprisingly at this point as they already held in the past)
Anyway John Mann Labour might be viewed a bit differently to Corbyn Labour in Bassetlaw
The worrying thing here for Labour isn't the ukip vote going wholesale to Tory but the 7% fall in their own vote.