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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388
    Right goodnight !!
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,101
    nunuone said:
    The 2017 Croydon votes were:

    Lab 54%
    Con 39%
    Other 7%
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,101
    Pulpstar said:

    Curtice gave a beatdown to Sheffield Labour there lol

    ???
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    nunuonenunuone Posts: 1,138

    "Party sources say they are expecting to make significant gains but to fall short of the incredibly high expectations set for Labour during the campaign."

    Own should have tried harder!!

    Thanx! And good night.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,850
    nunuone said:

    Sean_F said:

    Survation have a poll showing Labour leading 50/37 in Croydon, a swing of 5% since 2014.

    Is that in line with recent London polling? A 5% swing?
    Survation's London-wide poll had a swing of 3.5% to Labour.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,689
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929

    Pulpstar said:

    Curtice gave a beatdown to Sheffield Labour there lol

    ???
    Said they might do badly over the tree issue and perhaps it could change their mind ;)
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,850
    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Curtice gave a beatdown to Sheffield Labour there lol

    ???
    Said they might do badly over the tree issue and perhaps it could change their mind ;)
    Why are they chopping down thousands of trees?
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    Sean_F said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Curtice gave a beatdown to Sheffield Labour there lol

    ???
    Said they might do badly over the tree issue and perhaps it could change their mind ;)
    Why are they chopping down thousands of trees?
    It's a long and sorry tale, basically they've stuffed up on a long term contract with AMEY.
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,288
    Corbyn effect - small drop in Lab vote in Sunderland, large jump in Con vote. Too early to tell or Labour might be in more trouble up North?
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,689
    nunuone said:
    Tories getting half of the Kipper vote.
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    oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,831
    dr_spyn said:

    Corbyn effect - small drop in Lab vote in Sunderland, large jump in Con vote. Too early to tell or Labour might be in more trouble up North?

    Would be nice to think so - but a bit much to extrapolate that from one ward!
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419
    Foxy said:

    nunuone said:
    Tories getting half of the Kipper vote.
    Must be more complex than that. It won't be that Greens and LDs get a quarter of the UKIP vote each but Labour gets none. There'll be all sorts of churn going on.
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    rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787
    Foxy said:
    Well, it’s not as if there’s a deadline that all this stuff has to be passed by, is it?
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    Interesting QT
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,850
    dr_spyn said:

    Corbyn effect - small drop in Lab vote in Sunderland, large jump in Con vote. Too early to tell or Labour might be in more trouble up North?

    If repeated across the city, it would mean 2-4 Con gains.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,689

    Foxy said:

    nunuone said:
    Tories getting half of the Kipper vote.
    Must be more complex than that. It won't be that Greens and LDs get a quarter of the UKIP vote each but Labour gets none. There'll be all sorts of churn going on.
    I expect so too.

    In local byelections there is a lot of similar churn, often with a net shift UKIP to LDs
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,288

    dr_spyn said:

    Corbyn effect - small drop in Lab vote in Sunderland, large jump in Con vote. Too early to tell or Labour might be in more trouble up North?

    Would be nice to think so - but a bit much to extrapolate that from one ward!
    You are quite right re it being too early to tell.
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,101
    nunuone said:
    That's a higher Conservative vote than they managed in 2004 to 2008.

    I wonder if there are local factors involved ?
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    edited May 2018
    Shiney Row (Sunderland)

    Lab: 54.4% (+2.2)
    Con: 23.7% (+8.7)
    Ind: 13.2% (+13.2)
    Grn: 4.7% (+4.7)
    LDem: 4.1% (+0.8)

    UKIP (-29.4)
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    sladeslade Posts: 1,932
    Sean_F said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Corbyn effect - small drop in Lab vote in Sunderland, large jump in Con vote. Too early to tell or Labour might be in more trouble up North?

    If repeated across the city, it would mean 2-4 Con gains.
    look out for a couple of Lib Dem gains.
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    The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    That UKIP vote looks to be going the Tories way pretty significantly.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,689
    nunuone said:
    Not looking to be a good night for the kippers!
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    oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,831
    nunuone said:
    It is more surprising that nearly 20% of the electorate is voting for a dead party in that ward
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929

    That UKIP vote looks to be going the Tories way pretty significantly.

    I always thought it did so in the General but it was rather swamped by the general Labour upswing.
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    nunuonenunuone Posts: 1,138

    nunuone said:
    It is more surprising that nearly 20% of the electorate is voting for a dead party in that ward
    They will be brought back to life when people realise it's going to be BINO.
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    volcanopetevolcanopete Posts: 2,078
    Sean_F said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Curtice gave a beatdown to Sheffield Labour there lol

    ???
    Said they might do badly over the tree issue and perhaps it could change their mind ;)
    Why are they chopping down thousands of trees?
    Yet another PFI Ponzi scheme the council is set to pay for 30+ years and it's going to cost them big-time to get out of it.We should be planting millions of trees,not cutting them down.What Sheffield council are doing defies logic.I was in Sheffield when they introduced the tram,another massive cock-up which led to the LDs taking Sheffield from Labour.I suspect the Greens rather than the LDs will be the main beneficiaries of this embarassment for local government.
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    LordOfReasonLordOfReason Posts: 457

    nunuone said:
    That's a higher Conservative vote than they managed in 2004 to 2008.

    I wonder if there are local factors involved ?
    Or Brexit factors
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    nunuonenunuone Posts: 1,138
    Labour are in big doo doo outside London....People are afraid of Corbyn.
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    oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,831
    nunuone said:

    nunuone said:
    It is more surprising that nearly 20% of the electorate is voting for a dead party in that ward
    They will be brought back to life when people realise it's going to be BINO.
    Not without a leader with some presence and media skills. Farage isn't coming back.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    edited May 2018
    nunuone said:
    Hold really isn't it ?
    Since won in By-election.

    Lib Dem councillors tend to work bloody hard once they're in, and Labour regard places as their birthright.
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419
    nunuone said:
    Didn't they win that ward in a by-election recently (from a starting base of about 4%)?
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,101

    nunuone said:
    It is more surprising that nearly 20% of the electorate is voting for a dead party in that ward
    Where else could the NOTA vote go ?
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,079

    nunuone said:
    Didn't they win that ward in a by-election recently (from a starting base of about 4%)?
    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/959204791758049280
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    nunuonenunuone Posts: 1,138

    nunuone said:
    Didn't they win that ward in a by-election recently (from a starting base of about 4%)?
    yes.
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    AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900
    UKIPocalypse?
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    edited May 2018
    Labour hold Chorley South East and Chorley East.

    Recount in Astley & Buckshaw (Chorley) where Labour won by 10 points over Con in 2014
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195

    nunuone said:
    Didn't they win that ward in a by-election recently (from a starting base of about 4%)?
    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/959204791758049280
    That is some turn around
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    nunuone said:

    Labour are in big doo doo outside London....People are afraid of Corbyn.

    They should be frightened and lets hope so
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    The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    Pulpstar said:

    nunuone said:
    Hold really isn't it ?
    Since won in By-election.

    Lib Dem councillors tend to work bloody hard once they're in, and Labour regard places as their birthright.
    Yeah, I was also thinking it’s more of a hold.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,325
    nunuone said:
    Just Can't Get Enough!
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    LD gain Pallion in Sunderland from Labour
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,850
    nunuone said:

    Labour are in big doo doo outside London....People are afraid of Corbyn.

    You'll probably see them do far better in Remain areas. But, I'd tip the Conservatives to gain Dudley, now.
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    edited May 2018
    Labour hold Doxford and Hetton in Sunderland. Con close in Doxford
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,969
    Pulpstar said:

    nunuone said:
    Hold really isn't it ?
    Since won in By-election.

    Lib Dem councillors tend to work bloody hard once they're in, and Labour regard places as their birthright.
    Technically correct. The best kind of correct :D
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    The young electrician was right - unless you manage to get the sort of job @MaxPB has it isn't worth heading to London. Move north, and you can accumulate assets.
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,986
    Fryerns (Basildon) result:

    Lab: 48.6% (+13.5)
    Con: 33.7% (+15.8)
    UKIP: 17.7% (-25.2)

    Labour GAIN from UKIP.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,850
    Lab gain one from UKIP in Basildon.
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,101
    edited May 2018
    Pulpstar said:

    The young electrician was right - unless you manage to get the sort of job @MaxPB has it isn't worth heading to London. Move north, and you can accumulate assets.

    Who is the young electrician ?

    Someone on QT or someone important such as a PBer ?

    He is right though whoever he is.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    edited May 2018

    Pulpstar said:

    The young electrician was right - unless you manage to get the sort of job @MaxPB has it isn't worth heading to London. Move north, and you can accumulate assets.

    Who is the young electrician ?

    Someone on QT or someone important such as a PBer ?
    On Question Time. The comic on the panel had a massive go at him for being anti working class or something D:
    23:10 in.
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    The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    I didn’t think we’d be getting results this early.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,007
    Barnesian said:

    nunuone said:
    I'm fairly confident that Richmond is a LibDem gain. Kingston will be a Libdem gain and Sutton a LibDem hold. The swings could be surprising. No betting opportunity on Betfair.
    I'm more confident that Richmond will be Yellow than Sutton.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,079
    Floater said:

    nunuone said:
    Didn't they win that ward in a by-election recently (from a starting base of about 4%)?
    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/959204791758049280
    That is some turn around
    That was the February result. The Lib Dems did even better today.

    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/992167514993053698
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,101

    I didn’t think we’d be getting results this early.

    Its a bit slower than some GEs.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,190

    I didn’t think we’d be getting results this early.

    Shouldn’t take that long to count a few thousand votes.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,850
    edited May 2018
    That's a huge swing to the Tories in Doxford, Sunderland.

    Edit: And in Bede, Nuneaton.
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419
    tlg86 said:

    I didn’t think we’d be getting results this early.

    Shouldn’t take that long to count a few thousand votes.
    Please could someone mention that to the Returning Officer in Wakefield.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    tlg86 said:

    I didn’t think we’d be getting results this early.

    Shouldn’t take that long to count a few thousand votes.
    Yeah but

    The GE doesn't have 3 member wards.
    Not everyone votes LD LD LD or LAB LAB LAB
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    edited May 2018
    Con gain Barnes (Sunderland) from Labour:

    Con 1560
    Lab 1238

    First ward in Nuneaton for Labour is a hold but with a awful result
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,969
    Sean_F said:

    That's a huge swing to the Tories in Doxford, Sunderland.

    Smelling salts on standby... :p
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,079
    Sean_F said:

    That's a huge swing to the Tories in Doxford, Sunderland.

    No UKIP.
    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/992169394825506816
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    RhubarbRhubarb Posts: 359
    Sean_F said:

    That's a huge swing to the Tories in Doxford, Sunderland.

    There's an even bigger one in Bede.

    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/992169982527143937
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,689
    rcs1000 said:

    Barnesian said:

    nunuone said:
    I'm fairly confident that Richmond is a LibDem gain. Kingston will be a Libdem gain and Sutton a LibDem hold. The swings could be surprising. No betting opportunity on Betfair.
    I'm more confident that Richmond will be Yellow than Sutton.
    Really? in Sutton the LDs had 43 of 53 seats. Hard to see losing 17 of them.
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    nunuonenunuone Posts: 1,138
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,969
    edited May 2018
    Rhubarb said:

    Sean_F said:

    That's a huge swing to the Tories in Doxford, Sunderland.

    There's an even bigger one in Bede.

    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/992169982527143937
    Pipped to the post in both! Gutting. :o
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,190
    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    The young electrician was right - unless you manage to get the sort of job @MaxPB has it isn't worth heading to London. Move north, and you can accumulate assets.

    Who is the young electrician ?

    Someone on QT or someone important such as a PBer ?
    On Question Time. The comic on the panel had a massive go at him for being anti working class or something D:
    23:10 in.
    Oh dear. I’m sure at some point the youngsters will vote with their feet. It is difficult if you put down roots in an area. Perhaps what will happen is the current university students will see what’s happening and avoid London from the off. But the bright lights really are a pull factor and most people aren’t as hard nosed as we are on here.
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,214
    Pulpstar said:

    The young electrician was right - unless you manage to get the sort of job @MaxPB has it isn't worth heading to London. Move north, and you can accumulate assets.

    That’s exactly why my daughter has moved north.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,007

    nunuone said:
    Didn't they win that ward in a by-election recently (from a starting base of about 4%)?
    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/959204791758049280
    Not that you should read anything from it, but that's quite a swing.
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    ChameleonChameleon Posts: 3,886
    So, my expectations for tonight are Labour gains in London being cancelled out by losses from the other 50 million people.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited May 2018
    Tories gain Nuneaton, Arbury from Labour:

    https://twitter.com/NBBCouncil/status/992170822671495168
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,986
    Cyclefree said:

    Pulpstar said:

    The young electrician was right - unless you manage to get the sort of job @MaxPB has it isn't worth heading to London. Move north, and you can accumulate assets.

    That’s exactly why my daughter has moved north.
    Sssshhh! Don't tell everyone!
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,314

    Has Toppo used his inside info to predict a Conservative majority of 40-70 so causing DavidL to open the champagne ?
    Toppo reported a No.10 text. It was far from a prediction.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    edited May 2018
    tlg86 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    The young electrician was right - unless you manage to get the sort of job @MaxPB has it isn't worth heading to London. Move north, and you can accumulate assets.

    Who is the young electrician ?

    Someone on QT or someone important such as a PBer ?
    On Question Time. The comic on the panel had a massive go at him for being anti working class or something D:
    23:10 in.
    Oh dear. I’m sure at some point the youngsters will vote with their feet. It is difficult if you put down roots in an area. Perhaps what will happen is the current university students will see what’s happening and avoid London from the off. But the bright lights really are a pull factor and most people aren’t as hard nosed as we are on here.
    Obviously I appreciate not everyone is going to want to live in Bassetlaw like me but Manchester is a genuinely good compromise of economy & house prices right now.
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    nunuonenunuone Posts: 1,138
    dixiedean said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Pulpstar said:

    The young electrician was right - unless you manage to get the sort of job @MaxPB has it isn't worth heading to London. Move north, and you can accumulate assets.

    That’s exactly why my daughter has moved north.
    Sssshhh! Don't tell everyone!
    The Londoners are coming! The Londoners are coming!
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    The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    IIRC Labour did badly in Leave areas last year as well.
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Labour hold Hendon and Houghton in Sunderland

    St Chad's should be a Con gain (but unsurprisingly at this point as they already held in the past)
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    Shame Bassetlaw didn't vote tonight, Labour could have lost it !
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,214
    tlg86 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    The young electrician was right - unless you manage to get the sort of job @MaxPB has it isn't worth heading to London. Move north, and you can accumulate assets.

    Who is the young electrician ?

    Someone on QT or someone important such as a PBer ?
    On Question Time. The comic on the panel had a massive go at him for being anti working class or something D:
    23:10 in.
    Oh dear. I’m sure at some point the youngsters will vote with their feet. It is difficult if you put down roots in an area. Perhaps what will happen is the current university students will see what’s happening and avoid London from the off. But the bright lights really are a pull factor and most people aren’t as hard nosed as we are on here.
    In reality, the bright lights involve working round the clock in order to live in some crummy rental place and not have much left over at the end of the month. Or, if you have parents in London, live at home. Other cities provide a better lifestyle and the hope of a realistic independence.
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    RhubarbRhubarb Posts: 359
    nunuone said:

    dixiedean said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Pulpstar said:

    The young electrician was right - unless you manage to get the sort of job @MaxPB has it isn't worth heading to London. Move north, and you can accumulate assets.

    That’s exactly why my daughter has moved north.
    Sssshhh! Don't tell everyone!
    The Londoners are coming! The Londoners are coming!
    Fine. But they can learn to talk proper.
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,101
    nunuone said:
    Barnes is one of the more middle class parts of Sunderland but Labour won it by 10% in 2016.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,190
    Pulpstar said:

    tlg86 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    The young electrician was right - unless you manage to get the sort of job @MaxPB has it isn't worth heading to London. Move north, and you can accumulate assets.

    Who is the young electrician ?

    Someone on QT or someone important such as a PBer ?
    On Question Time. The comic on the panel had a massive go at him for being anti working class or something D:
    23:10 in.
    Oh dear. I’m sure at some point the youngsters will vote with their feet. It is difficult if you put down roots in an area. Perhaps what will happen is the current university students will see what’s happening and avoid London from the off. But the bright lights really are a pull factor and most people aren’t as hard nosed as we are on here.
    Obviously I appreciate not everyone is going to want to live in Bassetlaw like me but Manchester is a genuinely good compromise of economy & house prices right now.
    I don’t think you can beat the East Midlands for value, but I’m biased by my mum being from Bolsover.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,689
    Pulpstar said:

    tlg86 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    The young electrician was right - unless you manage to get the sort of job @MaxPB has it isn't worth heading to London. Move north, and you can accumulate assets.

    Who is the young electrician ?

    Someone on QT or someone important such as a PBer ?
    On Question Time. The comic on the panel had a massive go at him for being anti working class or something D:
    23:10 in.
    Oh dear. I’m sure at some point the youngsters will vote with their feet. It is difficult if you put down roots in an area. Perhaps what will happen is the current university students will see what’s happening and avoid London from the off. But the bright lights really are a pull factor and most people aren’t as hard nosed as we are on here.
    Obviously I appreciate not everyone is going to want to live in a tiny village in the middle of nowhere but Manchester is a genuinely good compromise of economy & house prices right now.
    Leicester is great value too, and only an hour from the Smoke if you really want to go there, quicker than many London commutes.
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    QuincelQuincel Posts: 3,949
    Pulpstar said:

    tlg86 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    The young electrician was right - unless you manage to get the sort of job @MaxPB has it isn't worth heading to London. Move north, and you can accumulate assets.

    Who is the young electrician ?

    Someone on QT or someone important such as a PBer ?
    On Question Time. The comic on the panel had a massive go at him for being anti working class or something D:
    23:10 in.
    Oh dear. I’m sure at some point the youngsters will vote with their feet. It is difficult if you put down roots in an area. Perhaps what will happen is the current university students will see what’s happening and avoid London from the off. But the bright lights really are a pull factor and most people aren’t as hard nosed as we are on here.
    Obviously I appreciate not everyone is going to want to live in Bassetlaw like me but Manchester is a genuinely good compromise of economy & house prices right now.
    It really does mystify me why more 20-somethings don't move to Liverpool or Manchester than London. London is great, but Liverpool and Manchester (among others) have a lot of things to live if you like the big city - and quality of life is so much higher.
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,101
    Its possible that Sunderland's Labour council is not viewed well - if so it might make the results there somewhat non-typical.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,969
    Is JohnO standing again this year? I think his council is up (although maybe not his ward).
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,101
    Pulpstar said:

    Shame Bassetlaw didn't vote tonight, Labour could have lost it !

    But only if the Bassetlaw Conservatives had remember to put up a full slate of candidates.

    Anyway John Mann Labour might be viewed a bit differently to Corbyn Labour in Bassetlaw :wink:
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419
    Chameleon said:

    So, my expectations for tonight are Labour gains in London being cancelled out by losses from the other 50 million people.

    Most of those other 50 million aren't voting are they? (Though the seats outside London still outnumber those from the capital - and the disparity in voters is even bigger given that London's elections are all-out, unlike most elsewhere).
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,986

    Its possible that Sunderland's Labour council is not viewed well - if so it might make the results there somewhat non-typical.

    They aren't...
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    Decent QT from Martin Lewis there.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,314
    Cyclefree said:

    tlg86 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    The young electrician was right - unless you manage to get the sort of job @MaxPB has it isn't worth heading to London. Move north, and you can accumulate assets.

    Who is the young electrician ?

    Someone on QT or someone important such as a PBer ?
    On Question Time. The comic on the panel had a massive go at him for being anti working class or something D:
    23:10 in.
    Oh dear. I’m sure at some point the youngsters will vote with their feet. It is difficult if you put down roots in an area. Perhaps what will happen is the current university students will see what’s happening and avoid London from the off. But the bright lights really are a pull factor and most people aren’t as hard nosed as we are on here.
    In reality, the bright lights involve working round the clock in order to live in some crummy rental place and not have much left over at the end of the month. Or, if you have parents in London, live at home. Other cities provide a better lifestyle and the hope of a realistic independence.
    Yebbut as @MaxPB has shown, working hard in London, moreso than any other UK city, can get you very tangible benefits indeed.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,850
    Cyclefree said:

    tlg86 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    The young electrician was right - unless you manage to get the sort of job @MaxPB has it isn't worth heading to London. Move north, and you can accumulate assets.

    Who is the young electrician ?

    Someone on QT or someone important such as a PBer ?
    On Question Time. The comic on the panel had a massive go at him for being anti working class or something D:
    23:10 in.
    Oh dear. I’m sure at some point the youngsters will vote with their feet. It is difficult if you put down roots in an area. Perhaps what will happen is the current university students will see what’s happening and avoid London from the off. But the bright lights really are a pull factor and most people aren’t as hard nosed as we are on here.
    In reality, the bright lights involve working round the clock in order to live in some crummy rental place and not have much left over at the end of the month. Or, if you have parents in London, live at home. Other cities provide a better lifestyle and the hope of a realistic independence.
    For a professional, most provincial cities offer a better standard of life than London.
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    The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    Curtice (BBC website) saying that we might have signs from these early results that Labour aren’t going to perform that strongly in heavy Leave places. Will be interesting to see if there is a Leave/Remain divide in the results.
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    nunuonenunuone Posts: 1,138
    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/992173417943240704

    The worrying thing here for Labour isn't the ukip vote going wholesale to Tory but the 7% fall in their own vote.
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