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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,386
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,622

    rcs1000 said:

    OK.

    Question for PBers.

    My wife is off for the first two and half weeks of the summer holidays. (This is LA, so this is from about the 6th of June.)

    This leaves me with 16 days to entertain an 8 and a 10 year old.

    I'm not going to stay home, because I'd go mad, so am going to bundle them onto a plane and do something. Specifically something awesome that they'll love. I don't mind jumping on a plane for 12 hours if I have to, and I have two million airmiles, so can afford to go practically anywhere.

    Suggestions?

    Go North young man. Head for Yellowstone and the Rockies. Some of those incredible Giant Redwoods and Mountains. It will be cooler in tge summet heat and a real experience for the kids.
    If it were a month later, I’d also recommend the Calgary stampede.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,386
    May can't make CU vote a confidence vote as per FTPA.
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,970
    I think we will find that the Commons will vote to leave the Customs Union and that we will end up with something pretty much the same that goes by a different name. The idea that 17.4 million people voted to make it harder and more expensive to export to our biggest market so that we could sign sub-optimal trade deals with countries that have dictated terms to us is a bit far-fetched, but with no real opposition the government can - in practice - get away with anything.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    May can't make CU vote a confidence vote as per FTPA.

    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/988314275797192705
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,005
    King Cole, that's why it's so clever. Teaches a useful skill, nutritional information, and presents morally divisive decisions.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Kensington Palace - @KensingtonRoyal: Her Royal Highness The Duchess of Cambridge was admitted to St. Mary’s Hospital, Paddington, London earlier this morning in the early stages of labour.

    The Duchess travelled by car from Kensington Palace to the Lindo Wing at St. Mary’s Hospital with The Duke of Cambridge.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    rcs1000 said:

    OK.

    Question for PBers.

    My wife is off for the first two and half weeks of the summer holidays. (This is LA, so this is from about the 6th of June.)

    This leaves me with 16 days to entertain an 8 and a 10 year old.

    I'm not going to stay home, because I'd go mad, so am going to bundle them onto a plane and do something. Specifically something awesome that they'll love. I don't mind jumping on a plane for 12 hours if I have to, and I have two million airmiles, so can afford to go practically anywhere.

    Suggestions?

    Horse back riding in Montana

    Hiking and biking in Teleride

    Beaches in SoCal
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 32,058

    King Cole, that's why it's so clever. Teaches a useful skill, nutritional information, and presents morally divisive decisions.

    LOL
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    FF43FF43 Posts: 15,788
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    It’s all about that. Economically, it’s a battle to trade a bit of growth for the next 5 years, over the ability and freedom to take advantage of global opportunities over 25 years.

    If we choose the former, matters won’t rest there; we’ll be having further big debates about leaving the customs union/rejoining the EU throughout the 2020s.

    Nah.

    It's like Ireland. How much discussion was there in Ireland about rejoining the United Kingdom post independence?

    None. (Even when Ireland was economically stagnating and the UK was surging ahead.)

    The UK has chose to leave the EU. It may prosper, or it may elect Jeremy Corbyn, but whatever path is ahead, it is extremely unlikely to involve rejoining the EU.
    I think it’s more like 16thC England.

    There’s a significant minority who view our split with the EU as illegitimate, and will be agitating for us to rejoin for decades.
    I disagree: EU rejoining will be a very minority subject in the decades to come, and our relationship with the EU will wax and wane over time. I suspect that we'll end up rather closer (geography does that) than most Brexiteers would like, but I think the key thing is formal separation.
    Formally, yes, I believe. At the end of all this, we will probably move from being semi-detached to semi-attached. People in Britain don't realise the EU is a club operating a system. All the important countries in Europe apart from Russia are part of that system. Third countries like Japan.and increasingly the United States go through that system. The UK won't, I believe, ever leave that system substantially. It will operate to system rules on a do as you are told basis. The effect of leaving the EU is that we no longer have a say on a system we are a part of. Will that bother people? I think it will. It will also have practical consequences as remaining members of the club shape it in their interests, not ours.
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    Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 4,853
    Am I right in thinking that the phase 1 agreement pretty much has a customs union baked in as the default backstop option, until and unless the UK can provide satisfaction that they can make something else work on the Irish border? The Tory party as a whole rallied round that position in December.

    Ergo: JRM has already accepted a Customs Union agreement, and the efforts of the Soubrettes are somewhat redundant :)

    rcs1000 could well be close to the truth on this one.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,163
    I think May could just about survive a confidence vote if the issue is staying in the Customs Union, staying in the Single Market or reversing Brexit though would be a different matter
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,144
    HYUFD said:

    I think May could just about survive a confidence vote if the issue is staying in the Customs Union, staying in the Single Market or reversing Brexit though would be a different matter

    Staying in the Customs Union is a Manifesto commitment though. It can only be staying in a customs union, of some bespoke tailoring.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,403
    @rcs1000

    Depends if they are doers or thinkers. Doers I would say a Caribbean island with an engaged environmental-oriented kids club with plenty of waterborne activities and projects.

    Thinkers then a drama or music workshop with a performance at the end of it. All levels are usually catered for. Must be plenty of those near you.
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    Scott_P said:

    Kensington Palace - @KensingtonRoyal: Her Royal Highness The Duchess of Cambridge was admitted to St. Mary’s Hospital, Paddington, London earlier this morning in the early stages of labour.

    The Duchess travelled by car from Kensington Palace to the Lindo Wing at St. Mary’s Hospital with The Duke of Cambridge.

    Well that will take politics off the media for days as they go way over the top with gushing baby nonsense, names, nappies, sleepless nights, succession, etc
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    FF43FF43 Posts: 15,788
    Pro_Rata said:

    Am I right in thinking that the phase 1 agreement pretty much has a customs union baked in as the default backstop option, until and unless the UK can provide satisfaction that they can make something else work on the Irish border? The Tory party as a whole rallied round that position in December.

    Ergo: JRM has already accepted a Customs Union agreement, and the efforts of the Soubrettes are somewhat redundant :)

    rcs1000 could well be close to the truth on this one.

    The draft phase I agreement has customs union and regulatory conformance for Northern Ireland as the backstop. Mrs May just said no British PM would ever agree that arrangement which includes customs borders on the Irish Sea. The DUP that props up her government are adamantly opposed. The alternative is to agree the same for the whole UK. RCS' idea of a time limited backstop is an interesting one that could get Mrs May through to Brexit. It does just kick the can until the main agreement to be decided by 2020
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,144

    I think we will find that the Commons will vote to leave the Customs Union and that we will end up with something pretty much the same that goes by a different name. The idea that 17.4 million people voted to make it harder and more expensive to export to our biggest market so that we could sign sub-optimal trade deals with countries that have dictated terms to us is a bit far-fetched, but with no real opposition the government can - in practice - get away with anything.

    I suspect even that deal is pushing it as far as the Leader of the Opposition is prepared to accept....
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    Scott_P said:

    Kensington Palace - @KensingtonRoyal: Her Royal Highness The Duchess of Cambridge was admitted to St. Mary’s Hospital, Paddington, London earlier this morning in the early stages of labour.

    The Duchess travelled by car from Kensington Palace to the Lindo Wing at St. Mary’s Hospital with The Duke of Cambridge.

    Well that will take politics off the media for days as they go way over the top with gushing baby nonsense, names, nappies, sleepless nights, succession, etc
    And to underline my point - Sky saying in early stages of labour - 'The great Kate wait - there is a huge amount of excitement and now lets look back at her previous baby births'

    Give me strength
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,163

    HYUFD said:

    I think May could just about survive a confidence vote if the issue is staying in the Customs Union, staying in the Single Market or reversing Brexit though would be a different matter

    Staying in the Customs Union is a Manifesto commitment though. It can only be staying in a customs union, of some bespoke tailoring.
    Given May in December promised enough regulatory alignment to resolve the Irish border issue she might still be able to combine staying in a Customs Union of some form with the UK negotiating its own trade deals
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,068
    And German Flash PMIs are out...

    True to form, AEP is wrong. (As was I.)

    Numbers are surprisingly strong. Services rose marginally to 54.1, while Manufacturing was broadly flat at an elevated 58.1. (The second number is the big surprise. Most people, including me, expected the weak momentum to continue.)
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    BromptonautBromptonaut Posts: 1,113
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    I think May could just about survive a confidence vote if the issue is staying in the Customs Union, staying in the Single Market or reversing Brexit though would be a different matter

    Staying in the Customs Union is a Manifesto commitment though. It can only be staying in a customs union, of some bespoke tailoring.
    Given May in December promised enough regulatory alignment to resolve the Irish border issue she might still be able to combine staying in a Customs Union of some form with the UK negotiating its own trade deals
    Might.

    Why should the EU agree to that?
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,068
    Right: I've been trying to find a new patron Saint of England.

    Requirements:

    1. Needs to be a man. (Sorry: patron saints tend to be men.)
    2. Has to have been born in England.
    3. Needs a pronounceable name.

    Having scanned this list - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Anglo-Saxon_saints - I'm not finding many options.

    St Bede?
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    not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,341

    HYUFD said:

    I think May could just about survive a confidence vote if the issue is staying in the Customs Union, staying in the Single Market or reversing Brexit though would be a different matter

    Staying in the Customs Union is a Manifesto commitment though. It can only be staying in a customs union, of some bespoke tailoring.
    A manifesto that only a minority of MPs were elected on, remember
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,068
    TOPPING said:

    @rcs1000

    Depends if they are doers or thinkers. Doers I would say a Caribbean island with an engaged environmental-oriented kids club with plenty of waterborne activities and projects.

    Thinkers then a drama or music workshop with a performance at the end of it. All levels are usually catered for. Must be plenty of those near you.

    And if they're moochers?
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    FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486

    TGOHF said:
    What’s the problem with having a(nother) fantasiist in the HoC?
    I hope you don't really believe that.

    I will defend our MPs. Most of them are good people much like ourselves: they make mistakes, but try to do a good job for their constituents and what they think is right for the country. You will find every single sin amongst them (and possibly all sins in one or two), but you will also find every virtue.

    But this woman seems rather unsuitable. I would not want to be a constituent who gets on her bad side (and it sadly seems that is rather easy to do).
    Maybe I should gave added LOL!

    Liked the comment posted a few minutes ago about he claiming the RO had ‘lost’ 20,000 of her postal votes!
    She seems the very essence of Corbynism in 2018
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,403
    edited April 2018
    rcs1000 said:

    TOPPING said:

    @rcs1000

    Depends if they are doers or thinkers. Doers I would say a Caribbean island with an engaged environmental-oriented kids club with plenty of waterborne activities and projects.

    Thinkers then a drama or music workshop with a performance at the end of it. All levels are usually catered for. Must be plenty of those near you.

    And if they're moochers?
    iPad 24/7.

    Edit: if they're moochers then perhaps find somewhere with an incidental activity eg. cycling, where they can mooch and pedal (eg. Ile de Re is great for that, so is Mustique, must be a zillion other places).
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,068
    Guys: thanks for the travel advice. I'm thinking Banff (albeit I went there with a girlfriend once in the distant past) might be good fun. Perhaps rent a car and drive from Calgary to Vancouver...

    If only my wife was away during ski season :(
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,144
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    I think May could just about survive a confidence vote if the issue is staying in the Customs Union, staying in the Single Market or reversing Brexit though would be a different matter

    Staying in the Customs Union is a Manifesto commitment though. It can only be staying in a customs union, of some bespoke tailoring.
    Given May in December promised enough regulatory alignment to resolve the Irish border issue she might still be able to combine staying in a Customs Union of some form with the UK negotiating its own trade deals
    That surely has to be the aim. Ideally, the UK will have engineered a de facto non-exclusive Associate Membership with the EU - an arrangement that Cameron could not achieve. The Referendum result will have been what was required to get us to that outcome.
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388
    rcs1000 said:

    Right: I've been trying to find a new patron Saint of England.

    Requirements:

    1. Needs to be a man. (Sorry: patron saints tend to be men.)
    2. Has to have been born in England.
    3. Needs a pronounceable name.

    Having scanned this list - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Anglo-Saxon_saints - I'm not finding many options.

    St Bede?

    St Edmund?

    Previously considered patron saint of England. martyrdom at the hands of a foreign power, born in England, good name.
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 32,058
    rcs1000 said:

    Right: I've been trying to find a new patron Saint of England.

    Requirements:

    1. Needs to be a man. (Sorry: patron saints tend to be men.)
    2. Has to have been born in England.
    3. Needs a pronounceable name.

    Having scanned this list - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Anglo-Saxon_saints - I'm not finding many options.

    St Bede?

    What’s the matter with St Edmund? After all, he did the job for many years!
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,068

    rcs1000 said:

    Right: I've been trying to find a new patron Saint of England.

    Requirements:

    1. Needs to be a man. (Sorry: patron saints tend to be men.)
    2. Has to have been born in England.
    3. Needs a pronounceable name.

    Having scanned this list - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Anglo-Saxon_saints - I'm not finding many options.

    St Bede?

    What’s the matter with St Edmund? After all, he did the job for many years!
    He buggered off to Japan. And he's still alive.
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    FF43FF43 Posts: 15,788
    rcs1000 said:

    Mortimer said:

    I don't think Remain has the numbers for CU.

    There have already been several votes on it in the Commons; Govt has won every single one...

    What about for a deep and meaningful customs partnership? :)
    The final arrangement will be a single mixed agreement notified to the WTO as an FTA and customs union. These are technical and legal definitions. The title will contain "comprehensive",I have a feeling
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,061

    rcs1000 said:

    Right: I've been trying to find a new patron Saint of England.

    Requirements:

    1. Needs to be a man. (Sorry: patron saints tend to be men.)
    2. Has to have been born in England.
    3. Needs a pronounceable name.

    Having scanned this list - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Anglo-Saxon_saints - I'm not finding many options.

    St Bede?

    What’s the matter with St Edmund? After all, he did the job for many years!
    It has to be Saint Chad.

    And if not, we can go: "wot no Chad?' ;)
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,403
    edited April 2018
    rcs1000 said:

    Guys: thanks for the travel advice. I'm thinking Banff (albeit I went there with a girlfriend once in the distant past) might be good fun. Perhaps rent a car and drive from Calgary to Vancouver...

    If only my wife was away during ski season :(

    As @Tyndall has noted, Jasper is a fantastic centre to a zillion activities (cycling, white water rafting, canoeing , kayaking, etc).
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,144

    HYUFD said:

    I think May could just about survive a confidence vote if the issue is staying in the Customs Union, staying in the Single Market or reversing Brexit though would be a different matter

    Staying in the Customs Union is a Manifesto commitment though. It can only be staying in a customs union, of some bespoke tailoring.
    A manifesto that only a minority of MPs were elected on, remember
    Labour had a similar commitment, albeit wrapped in a lot of wool. They pledged to have "fresh negotiating priorities that have a strong emphasis on retaining the benefits of the Single Market and the Customs Union". Not THE Customs Union though.
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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    rcs1000 said:

    Right: I've been trying to find a new patron Saint of England.

    Requirements:

    1. Needs to be a man. (Sorry: patron saints tend to be men.)
    2. Has to have been born in England.
    3. Needs a pronounceable name.

    Having scanned this list - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Anglo-Saxon_saints - I'm not finding many options.

    St Bede?

    Bede would give us yet another bank holiday in the spring as the only date known about him is that he died in May, so he's out. You need to add a fourth requirement that he can be used to justify an autumn bank holiday, in light of @OldKingCole's post around half past 7.
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    BromptonautBromptonaut Posts: 1,113

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    I think May could just about survive a confidence vote if the issue is staying in the Customs Union, staying in the Single Market or reversing Brexit though would be a different matter

    Staying in the Customs Union is a Manifesto commitment though. It can only be staying in a customs union, of some bespoke tailoring.
    Given May in December promised enough regulatory alignment to resolve the Irish border issue she might still be able to combine staying in a Customs Union of some form with the UK negotiating its own trade deals
    That surely has to be the aim. Ideally, the UK will have engineered a de facto non-exclusive Associate Membership with the EU - an arrangement that Cameron could not achieve. The Referendum result will have been what was required to get us to that outcome.
    Why should the EU agree to such a thing?
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,403
    edited April 2018

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    I think May could just about survive a confidence vote if the issue is staying in the Customs Union, staying in the Single Market or reversing Brexit though would be a different matter

    Staying in the Customs Union is a Manifesto commitment though. It can only be staying in a customs union, of some bespoke tailoring.
    Given May in December promised enough regulatory alignment to resolve the Irish border issue she might still be able to combine staying in a Customs Union of some form with the UK negotiating its own trade deals
    That surely has to be the aim. Ideally, the UK will have engineered a de facto non-exclusive Associate Membership with the EU - an arrangement that Cameron could not achieve. The Referendum result will have been what was required to get us to that outcome.
    Why should the EU agree to such a thing?
    The biased BBC were at an WTO meeting on a prog over the weekend. They identified one of the most important people at global trade negotiations as Liam Fox the EU's trade negotiator.

    For obvious reasons that seem to elude the PB intelligentsia - they have more money to spend. Why on earth would the UK be able to out-muscle the EU either directly, or wrt a third country?

    I mean NZ plonk is not that nice, no matter how much Virgin Wines tell us it is.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,068
    edited April 2018
    TOPPING said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Guys: thanks for the travel advice. I'm thinking Banff (albeit I went there with a girlfriend once in the distant past) might be good fun. Perhaps rent a car and drive from Calgary to Vancouver...

    If only my wife was away during ski season :(

    As @Tyndall has noted, Jasper is a fantastic centre to a zillion activities (cycling, white water rafting, canoeing , kayaking, etc).
    I'm thinking Calgary (for a night), Banff, Jasper, [somewhere], Vancouver. That should be perfect for 10 days.

    Oohhhhh... I might start off in Regina, as I have very good friends there...
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    rcs1000 said:

    Right: I've been trying to find a new patron Saint of England.

    Requirements:

    1. Needs to be a man. (Sorry: patron saints tend to be men.)
    2. Has to have been born in England.
    3. Needs a pronounceable name.

    Having scanned this list - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Anglo-Saxon_saints - I'm not finding many options.

    St Bede?

    Go back to our roots with St Dunstan (before St George got involved)

    Famous for:

    1. Restructuring the monestaries to make them a profitable enterprise

    2. Tweaking the devil’s nose with a pair of sugar tongs

    3. Simultaneously holding the roles of Archbishop of Canterbury, chancellor of the Exchequer and Lord Chancellor

    4 (and I realise this may not be a positive) Being the Patron Saint of investment bankers
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    ElliotElliot Posts: 1,516
    rcs1000 said:

    Right: I've been trying to find a new patron Saint of England.

    Requirements:

    1. Needs to be a man. (Sorry: patron saints tend to be men.)
    2. Has to have been born in England.
    3. Needs a pronounceable name.

    Having scanned this list - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Anglo-Saxon_saints - I'm not finding many options.

    St Bede?

    St Alban is the obvious choice.
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    FF43FF43 Posts: 15,788
    edited April 2018
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    I think May could just about survive a confidence vote if the issue is staying in the Customs Union, staying in the Single Market or reversing Brexit though would be a different matter

    Staying in the Customs Union is a Manifesto commitment though. It can only be staying in a customs union, of some bespoke tailoring.
    Given May in December promised enough regulatory alignment to resolve the Irish border issue she might still be able to combine staying in a Customs Union of some form with the UK negotiating its own trade deals
    The UK will be negotiating its own third country trade deals whether it's in a customs union or not. As those countries are (a) more interested in the EU than us and will negotiate with us in the context of our relationship with the EU and (b) will look to take advantage of our new perceived relative feebleness, it might not make a huge difference in practice. Those deals will be mediocre under any scenario, but politicians can still make a big thing out of the signing ceremony.
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    St Botolph, of course.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,403
    rcs1000 said:

    TOPPING said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Guys: thanks for the travel advice. I'm thinking Banff (albeit I went there with a girlfriend once in the distant past) might be good fun. Perhaps rent a car and drive from Calgary to Vancouver...

    If only my wife was away during ski season :(

    As @Tyndall has noted, Jasper is a fantastic centre to a zillion activities (cycling, white water rafting, canoeing , kayaking, etc).
    I'm thinking Calgary (for a night), Banff, Jasper, [somewhere], Vancouver. That should be perfect for 10 days.

    Oohhhhh... I might start off in Regina, as I have very good friends there...
    Is excellent - I did almost exactly the same but not Vancouver that time. That said, there is whale watching right now in Vancouver so that is always worth a detour for.

    And then, who knows, pop on the Sea to Sky Highway, itself a fantastic journey, for a bit of glacier skiing at Whistler, depending on the level of your children.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,068
    Charles said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Right: I've been trying to find a new patron Saint of England.

    Requirements:

    1. Needs to be a man. (Sorry: patron saints tend to be men.)
    2. Has to have been born in England.
    3. Needs a pronounceable name.

    Having scanned this list - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Anglo-Saxon_saints - I'm not finding many options.

    St Bede?

    Go back to our roots with St Dunstan (before St George got involved)

    Famous for:

    1. Restructuring the monestaries to make them a profitable enterprise

    2. Tweaking the devil’s nose with a pair of sugar tongs

    3. Simultaneously holding the roles of Archbishop of Canterbury, chancellor of the Exchequer and Lord Chancellor

    4 (and I realise this may not be a positive) Being the Patron Saint of investment bankers
    Perfect.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,005
    F1: just a reminder that, with tiny stakes, I've backed Magnussen/Grosjean to win in Azerbaijan (around 501 and 651 with boost, third the odds top 2, Ladbrokes). Last year, a similar bet on Perez at 201 very nearly came off.

    The Haas was top of the midfield at the street circuit of Australia, and has the Ferrari engine for straight line power on the massive Azerbaijan straight. Still very much an outside bet, but if misfortune strikes the top teams then I think Haas will be in position to take advantage.
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    Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    rcs1000 said:

    Right: I've been trying to find a new patron Saint of England.

    Requirements:

    1. Needs to be a man. (Sorry: patron saints tend to be men.)
    2. Has to have been born in England.
    3. Needs a pronounceable name.

    Having scanned this list - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Anglo-Saxon_saints - I'm not finding many options.

    St Bede?

    St Alban. First English Martyr, patron saint (per wikipedia) of converts, refugees, and torture victims. Robin Lane Fox says he may not actually have existed, but I don't see that as a dealbreaker in this context.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,144
    rcs1000 said:

    Guys: thanks for the travel advice. I'm thinking Banff (albeit I went there with a girlfriend once in the distant past) might be good fun. Perhaps rent a car and drive from Calgary to Vancouver...

    If only my wife was away during ski season :(

    You were asking about Galapogos? Not sure if in this same context. My take on them was that it was fun, but each island was a bit like visiting a zoo: you knew exactly what you were going to see, and the pathways were very restricted. They would no doubt enjoy things like the blue-footed boobies dancing to each other by showing off their feet; the frigate birds with their inflated red throat pouches - and of course the giant tortoises.

    But I found the most enjoyment from sailing between the islands, as that provided more that was unexpected - especially a wall of water crossing the sea, that as we got closer proved to be many hundreds of dolphins going like hell towards a shoal of fish. That experience depends on the boat - and I was on a beautiful schooner that I think is no longer in the Pacific. Here is an image from when she was:

    http://www.oocities.org/galapagostrips/rembrandt.htm
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    TOPPING said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Guys: thanks for the travel advice. I'm thinking Banff (albeit I went there with a girlfriend once in the distant past) might be good fun. Perhaps rent a car and drive from Calgary to Vancouver...

    If only my wife was away during ski season :(

    As @Tyndall has noted, Jasper is a fantastic centre to a zillion activities (cycling, white water rafting, canoeing , kayaking, etc).
    When we visited Jasper we left our tour bus quite a way out of Town and white water rafted along the Athabasca river, enjoying fabulous scenery and a wonderful experience, before arriving at our log cabins in Jasper.
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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    rcs1000 said:

    TOPPING said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Guys: thanks for the travel advice. I'm thinking Banff (albeit I went there with a girlfriend once in the distant past) might be good fun. Perhaps rent a car and drive from Calgary to Vancouver...

    If only my wife was away during ski season :(

    As @Tyndall has noted, Jasper is a fantastic centre to a zillion activities (cycling, white water rafting, canoeing , kayaking, etc).
    I'm thinking Calgary (for a night), Banff, Jasper, [somewhere], Vancouver. That should be perfect for 10 days.

    Oohhhhh... I might start off in Regina, as I have very good friends there...
    Fond of sitting still are they? Otherwise it sounds like the road trip from hell.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Ishmael_Z said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Right: I've been trying to find a new patron Saint of England.

    Requirements:

    1. Needs to be a man. (Sorry: patron saints tend to be men.)
    2. Has to have been born in England.
    3. Needs a pronounceable name.

    Having scanned this list - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Anglo-Saxon_saints - I'm not finding many options.

    St Bede?

    St Alban. First English Martyr, patron saint (per wikipedia) of converts, refugees, and torture victims. Robin Lane Fox says he may not actually have existed, but I don't see that as a dealbreaker in this context.
    Slaughtered following the breach of a Treaty by Rome?
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    rcs1000 said:

    Right: I've been trying to find a new patron Saint of England.

    Requirements:

    1. Needs to be a man. (Sorry: patron saints tend to be men.)
    2. Has to have been born in England.
    3. Needs a pronounceable name.

    Having scanned this list - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Anglo-Saxon_saints - I'm not finding many options.

    St Bede?

    Jeremy

    Obviously...
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,068

    TOPPING said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Guys: thanks for the travel advice. I'm thinking Banff (albeit I went there with a girlfriend once in the distant past) might be good fun. Perhaps rent a car and drive from Calgary to Vancouver...

    If only my wife was away during ski season :(

    As @Tyndall has noted, Jasper is a fantastic centre to a zillion activities (cycling, white water rafting, canoeing , kayaking, etc).
    When we visited Jasper we left our tour bus quite a way out of Town and white water rafted along the Athabasca river, enjoying fabulous scenery and a wonderful experience, before arriving at our log cabins in Jasper.
    You've convinced me :)

    My children will find white water rafting terrifying and exciting.

    But most importantly... exhausting...
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,068

    rcs1000 said:

    TOPPING said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Guys: thanks for the travel advice. I'm thinking Banff (albeit I went there with a girlfriend once in the distant past) might be good fun. Perhaps rent a car and drive from Calgary to Vancouver...

    If only my wife was away during ski season :(

    As @Tyndall has noted, Jasper is a fantastic centre to a zillion activities (cycling, white water rafting, canoeing , kayaking, etc).
    I'm thinking Calgary (for a night), Banff, Jasper, [somewhere], Vancouver. That should be perfect for 10 days.

    Oohhhhh... I might start off in Regina, as I have very good friends there...
    Fond of sitting still are they? Otherwise it sounds like the road trip from hell.
    Calgary to Vancouver is about a 10 hour drive. Over 10 days, that's two hours every other day.

    That doesn't sound too bad.
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    ElliotElliot Posts: 1,516
    St Edward is another option, if you want some monarchist shine to it.
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    Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    Charles said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Right: I've been trying to find a new patron Saint of England.

    Requirements:

    1. Needs to be a man. (Sorry: patron saints tend to be men.)
    2. Has to have been born in England.
    3. Needs a pronounceable name.

    Having scanned this list - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Anglo-Saxon_saints - I'm not finding many options.

    St Bede?

    St Alban. First English Martyr, patron saint (per wikipedia) of converts, refugees, and torture victims. Robin Lane Fox says he may not actually have existed, but I don't see that as a dealbreaker in this context.
    Slaughtered following the breach of a Treaty by Rome?
    I was cravenly skirting round that point for fear of the xenophobic lie hammer.
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    kjhkjh Posts: 10,672
    Do these letters to Graham Brady have an expiry date? If not it is possible that he could be quite near the 48 already. That would seem unfair if now old redundant requests are still in place. Anyone know?
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    ElliotElliot Posts: 1,516
    kjh said:

    Do these letters to Graham Brady have an expiry date? If not it is possible that he could be quite near the 48 already. That would seem unfair if now old redundant requests are still in place. Anyone know?

    No, but they can be revoked.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,403
    edited April 2018
    Elliot said:

    St Edward is another option, if you want some monarchist shine to it.

    I think that his various early namesakes might not be as unifying for various reasons as one would like and might even be deemed antagonistic.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,068
    kjh said:

    Do these letters to Graham Brady have an expiry date? If not it is possible that he could be quite near the 48 already. That would seem unfair if now old redundant requests are still in place. Anyone know?

    There is no expiry. They exist until you submit another letter reversing your earlier one.

    "Dear Sir Graham,

    Sorry about the twelth letter in a week, but I've decided to definitely, absolutely, withdraw my last letter."

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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    TOPPING said:

    Elliot said:

    St Edward is another option, if you want some monarchist shine to it.

    I think that his various early namesakes might not be as unifying for various reasons as one would like and might even be deemed antagonistic.
    St Edward the Confessor? Famous for selling out to Normandy... aah
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    rcs1000 said:

    kjh said:

    Do these letters to Graham Brady have an expiry date? If not it is possible that he could be quite near the 48 already. That would seem unfair if now old redundant requests are still in place. Anyone know?

    There is no expiry. They exist until you submit another letter reversing your earlier one.

    "Dear Sir Graham,

    Sorry about the twelth letter in a week, but I've decided to definitely, absolutely, withdraw my last letter."

    A few months ago Tory MPs were publicly handing Sir Graham envelopes with nothing in them to wind him and Mrs May up.

    On more than one occasion they did it in front of Gavin Williamson.

    I found that hysterical. Where Tory MPs learned such platinum level trolling I do not know.
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    Scott_P said:
    Leavers should be prepping themselves for remaining in the customs union.

    #TheresaMustStay #TheresaIsTheGOAT
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,403
    Charles said:

    TOPPING said:

    Elliot said:

    St Edward is another option, if you want some monarchist shine to it.

    I think that his various early namesakes might not be as unifying for various reasons as one would like and might even be deemed antagonistic.
    St Edward the Confessor? Famous for selling out to Normandy... aah
    I was thinking about Edwards I-III who for one reason or another might not be seen as the most conciliatory or as role-models
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited April 2018
    An lo May leads the Brexiter head bangers to soft Brexit and they grovel gratefully at her feet.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,163

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    I think May could just about survive a confidence vote if the issue is staying in the Customs Union, staying in the Single Market or reversing Brexit though would be a different matter

    Staying in the Customs Union is a Manifesto commitment though. It can only be staying in a customs union, of some bespoke tailoring.
    Given May in December promised enough regulatory alignment to resolve the Irish border issue she might still be able to combine staying in a Customs Union of some form with the UK negotiating its own trade deals
    Might.

    Why should the EU agree to that?
    It would require effectively being in aligned with the Customs Union on almost everything
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,403
    Alistair said:

    An lo May leads the Brexiter head bangers to soft Brexit and they grovel gratefully at her feet.

    If only @rcs1000's rules allowed for a female patron saint.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,163

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    I think May could just about survive a confidence vote if the issue is staying in the Customs Union, staying in the Single Market or reversing Brexit though would be a different matter

    Staying in the Customs Union is a Manifesto commitment though. It can only be staying in a customs union, of some bespoke tailoring.
    Given May in December promised enough regulatory alignment to resolve the Irish border issue she might still be able to combine staying in a Customs Union of some form with the UK negotiating its own trade deals
    That surely has to be the aim. Ideally, the UK will have engineered a de facto non-exclusive Associate Membership with the EU - an arrangement that Cameron could not achieve. The Referendum result will have been what was required to get us to that outcome.
    May certainly has a greater eye for detail
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    Forget changing our patron saint. I mean what better emblem for England than some Johnny Foreigner from the Middle East taking over the job of an indigenous Englishman?

    Can we instead drop the French practice of giving our monarchs numbers after their name.

    Let us go back to giving our monarchs adjectives after their names.

    So when Charles becomes King he is known as Charles/George the Adulterer.
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    kjhkjh Posts: 10,672
    Cheers everyone for the answer to my question.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,163
    Alistair said:

    An lo May leads the Brexiter head bangers to soft Brexit and they grovel gratefully at her feet.

    Provided we leave the single market and end free movement of will not be soft Brexit although May clearly wants to avoid WTO terms Brexit too
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,403

    Forget changing our patron saint. I mean what better emblem for England than some Johnny Foreigner from the Middle East taking over the job of an indigenous Englishman?

    Can we instead drop the French practice of giving our monarchs numbers after their name.

    Let us go back to giving our monarchs adjectives after their names.

    So when Charles becomes King he is known as Charles/George the Adulterer.

    The Adulterer doesn't rule out many English monarchs over the past thousand years so I assumed it is taken as read.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,005
    Mr. Topping, what's wrong with Edward III?
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    TOPPING said:

    Forget changing our patron saint. I mean what better emblem for England than some Johnny Foreigner from the Middle East taking over the job of an indigenous Englishman?

    Can we instead drop the French practice of giving our monarchs numbers after their name.

    Let us go back to giving our monarchs adjectives after their names.

    So when Charles becomes King he is known as Charles/George the Adulterer.

    The Adulterer doesn't rule out many English monarchs over the past thousand years so I assumed it is taken as read.
    Charles the Homeopathic Adulterer?

    It’ll be fun going back and adding the adjectives.

    Edward the Nazi.

    George the Mad

    Edward the G Spot Experimenter.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    edited April 2018

    Forget changing our patron saint. I mean what better emblem for England than some Johnny Foreigner from the Middle East taking over the job of an indigenous Englishman?

    Can we instead drop the French practice of giving our monarchs numbers after their name.

    Let us go back to giving our monarchs adjectives after their names.

    So when Charles becomes King he is known as Charles/George the Adulterer.

    Wouldn’t distinguish him from the others

    (My cousins have the same tradition - Sir Derek the Dragon-Slayer has a particularly good name...)
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,403

    Mr. Topping, what's wrong with Edward III?

    A lot was right with him, Morris, and I suppose in the current hostile environment, claiming the French throne would be seen as a plus.
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,128
    It seems that Macron isn't turning out how the Guardian hoped:

    ' The French National Assembly has passed a tough new immigration law that tightens the rules around asylum.

    The bill shortens asylum application deadlines, doubles the time for which illegal migrants can be detained, and introduces a one-year prison sentence for entering France illegally. '

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-43860880
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    felixfelix Posts: 15,125

    It seems that Macron isn't turning out how the Guardian hoped:

    ' The French National Assembly has passed a tough new immigration law that tightens the rules around asylum.

    The bill shortens asylum application deadlines, doubles the time for which illegal migrants can be detained, and introduces a one-year prison sentence for entering France illegally. '

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-43860880

    We await the howls of outrage blaming it on Tory scu... Oh...wait.
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    ElliotElliot Posts: 1,516
    Alistair said:

    An lo May leads the Brexiter head bangers to soft Brexit and they grovel gratefully at her feet.

    If May signs a customs union that prevents FTAs elsewhere, I think most Brexiters on here would oppose her. If she works out some arrangement where she can have a uniquely integrated customs arrangement while still being able to sign full FTAs elsewhere, she will deserve credit from all sides.
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    FF43FF43 Posts: 15,788
    edited April 2018

    rcs1000 said:

    Right: I've been trying to find a new patron Saint of England.

    Requirements:

    1. Needs to be a man. (Sorry: patron saints tend to be men.)
    2. Has to have been born in England.
    3. Needs a pronounceable name.

    Having scanned this list - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Anglo-Saxon_saints - I'm not finding many options.

    St Bede?

    What’s the matter with St Edmund? After all, he did the job for many years!
    It has to be Saint Chad.

    And if not, we can go: "wot no Chad?' ;)
    An unstated requirement is a Leave supporting patron saint of England. Chad feels like a Brexiteer. Bede too, I think.

    The Remain patron saint, clearly, is St Pancras Eurostar.
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    ElliotElliot Posts: 1,516
    edited April 2018

    It seems that Macron isn't turning out how the Guardian hoped:

    ' The French National Assembly has passed a tough new immigration law that tightens the rules around asylum.

    The bill shortens asylum application deadlines, doubles the time for which illegal migrants can be detained, and introduces a one-year prison sentence for entering France illegally. '

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-43860880

    Macron is a smart man. He has realised that the success of social democracy depends on maintaining sufficient support among the working class and doing that requires their concerns on immigration being met.
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    Charles said:

    Forget changing our patron saint. I mean what better emblem for England than some Johnny Foreigner from the Middle East taking over the job of an indigenous Englishman?

    Can we instead drop the French practice of giving our monarchs numbers after their name.

    Let us go back to giving our monarchs adjectives after their names.

    So when Charles becomes King he is known as Charles/George the Adulterer.

    Wouldn’t distinguish him from the others

    (My cousins have the same tradition - Sir Derek the Dragon-Slayer has a particularly good name...)
    Sounds like your cousins are a lot of fun.

    Say no to Edward I and yes to Edward The Hammer of the Scrotum Scots.
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    Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981

    Forget changing our patron saint. I mean what better emblem for England than some Johnny Foreigner from the Middle East taking over the job of an indigenous Englishman?

    Can we instead drop the French practice of giving our monarchs numbers after their name.

    Let us go back to giving our monarchs adjectives after their names.

    So when Charles becomes King he is known as Charles/George the Adulterer.

    Berthe au Grand Pied, Pépin le Bref, Charlemagne, Charles le Chauve - the French have a tradition of distinguishing epithets. DNA being what it is we can expect Charles the Bald to be followed by William the Bald and George the Bald.
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    asjohnstoneasjohnstone Posts: 1,276
    edited April 2018
    rcs1000 said:

    OK.

    Question for PBers.

    My wife is off for the first two and half weeks of the summer holidays. (This is LA, so this is from about the 6th of June.)

    This leaves me with 16 days to entertain an 8 and a 10 year old.

    I'm not going to stay home, because I'd go mad, so am going to bundle them onto a plane and do something. Specifically something awesome that they'll love. I don't mind jumping on a plane for 12 hours if I have to, and I have two million airmiles, so can afford to go practically anywhere.

    Suggestions?

    Queenstown in the south island of New Zealand. Spectacular landscapes and midwinter snow
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    ElliotElliot Posts: 1,516

    Charles said:

    Forget changing our patron saint. I mean what better emblem for England than some Johnny Foreigner from the Middle East taking over the job of an indigenous Englishman?

    Can we instead drop the French practice of giving our monarchs numbers after their name.

    Let us go back to giving our monarchs adjectives after their names.

    So when Charles becomes King he is known as Charles/George the Adulterer.

    Wouldn’t distinguish him from the others

    (My cousins have the same tradition - Sir Derek the Dragon-Slayer has a particularly good name...)
    Sounds like your cousins are a lot of fun.

    Say no to Edward I and yes to Edward The Hammer of the Scrotum Scots.
    I wonder if Scottish nationalism would have been a thing had his son not been incompetent.
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    Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    FF43 said:


    rcs1000 said:

    Right: I've been trying to find a new patron Saint of England.

    Requirements:

    1. Needs to be a man. (Sorry: patron saints tend to be men.)
    2. Has to have been born in England.
    3. Needs a pronounceable name.

    Having scanned this list - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Anglo-Saxon_saints - I'm not finding many options.

    St Bede?

    What’s the matter with St Edmund? After all, he did the job for many years!
    It has to be Saint Chad.

    And if not, we can go: "wot no Chad?' ;)
    An unstated requirement is a Leave supporting patron saint of England. Chad feels like a Brexiteer. Bede too, I think.

    The Remain patron saint, clearly, is St Pancras Eurostar.
    Surely the Leave patron saint would have to be St Ebba who is famed for cutting off her nose ...... ;)
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,797
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    rcs1000 said:

    Right: I've been trying to find a new patron Saint of England.

    Requirements:

    1. Needs to be a man. (Sorry: patron saints tend to be men.)
    2. Has to have been born in England.
    3. Needs a pronounceable name.

    Having scanned this list - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Anglo-Saxon_saints - I'm not finding many options.

    St Bede?

    St Alfred.
    (Why be limited by Rome's narrow criteria ?)

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    Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    rcs1000 said:

    OK.

    Question for PBers.

    My wife is off for the first two and half weeks of the summer holidays. (This is LA, so this is from about the 6th of June.)

    This leaves me with 16 days to entertain an 8 and a 10 year old.

    I'm not going to stay home, because I'd go mad, so am going to bundle them onto a plane and do something. Specifically something awesome that they'll love. I don't mind jumping on a plane for 12 hours if I have to, and I have two million airmiles, so can afford to go practically anywhere.

    Suggestions?

    Ask the kids what they would like to do, you may get some good ideas
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,797
    Charles said:

    rcs1000 said:

    OK.

    Question for PBers.

    My wife is off for the first two and half weeks of the summer holidays. (This is LA, so this is from about the 6th of June.)

    This leaves me with 16 days to entertain an 8 and a 10 year old.

    I'm not going to stay home, because I'd go mad, so am going to bundle them onto a plane and do something. Specifically something awesome that they'll love. I don't mind jumping on a plane for 12 hours if I have to, and I have two million airmiles, so can afford to go practically anywhere.

    Suggestions?

    Horse back riding in Montana

    Hiking and biking in Teleride

    Beaches in SoCal
    Northern California is much nicer.
    A couple of days in Monterey taking in the aquarium ? (my kids loved it at that age).

    One place for 16 days, and I suspect you'd still go mad.... move around.
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,970
    If the Tories want to understand why they are not miles ahead of a party led by a UK-hating, anti-Semitism indulging Marxist, it’s things like this:
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/apr/22/government-aware-for-years-that-hostile-environment-hurt-windrush-generation
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,787
    A somewhat alarming tweet from the Telegraph:

    https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/988341365137395712
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,261

    A somewhat alarming tweet from the Telegraph:

    https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/988341365137395712

    You should see them from the front.

    https://twitter.com/AngryScotland/status/988342520320020480
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    FF43FF43 Posts: 15,788
    Elliot said:

    Charles said:

    Forget changing our patron saint. I mean what better emblem for England than some Johnny Foreigner from the Middle East taking over the job of an indigenous Englishman?

    Can we instead drop the French practice of giving our monarchs numbers after their name.

    Let us go back to giving our monarchs adjectives after their names.

    So when Charles becomes King he is known as Charles/George the Adulterer.

    Wouldn’t distinguish him from the others

    (My cousins have the same tradition - Sir Derek the Dragon-Slayer has a particularly good name...)
    Sounds like your cousins are a lot of fun.

    Say no to Edward I and yes to Edward The Hammer of the Scrotum Scots.
    I wonder if Scottish nationalism would have been a thing had his son not been incompetent.
    Every Scot is a nationalist. The only argument is what that means. Edward I, that most aggressive of monarchs could hammer the Scots, but the English could never get their occupations to pay or sustain themselves. Apart from Cromwell, won had the best organised state of premodern times and he found it a struggle.
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    How could Theresa May have made the vote on the customs union a confidence issue? Or is she simply saying that if she lost that vote, she'd resign?

    Seems like a brave tactic to me if that was what was being floated. It would radically bring down the number of disaffected pro-EU MPs required to force her departure.
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    JSpringJSpring Posts: 97
    felix said:

    It seems that Macron isn't turning out how the Guardian hoped:

    ' The French National Assembly has passed a tough new immigration law that tightens the rules around asylum.

    The bill shortens asylum application deadlines, doubles the time for which illegal migrants can be detained, and introduces a one-year prison sentence for entering France illegally. '

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-43860880

    We await the howls of outrage blaming it on Tory scu... Oh...wait.
    It's not as if the left expected Macron to be some kind of socialist utopian anyway.
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    Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981

    rcs1000 said:

    OK.

    Question for PBers.

    My wife is off for the first two and half weeks of the summer holidays. (This is LA, so this is from about the 6th of June.)

    This leaves me with 16 days to entertain an 8 and a 10 year old.

    I'm not going to stay home, because I'd go mad, so am going to bundle them onto a plane and do something. Specifically something awesome that they'll love. I don't mind jumping on a plane for 12 hours if I have to, and I have two million airmiles, so can afford to go practically anywhere.

    Suggestions?

    Ask the kids what they would like to do, you may get some good ideas
    Africa. Vic Falls to see Vic Falls, upmarket safari in Botswana. 8-10 year olds want to see elephants, not landscapes.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,001

    May can't make CU vote a confidence vote as per FTPA.

    Good spot.
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