On Spurs they went off at a pace but when playing a semi at Wembley it is not the best to do. United started to outplay them 25 minutes in but were very also good in defence throughout
I did not know that is the eight cup semi Spurs have lost and this time on their home ground.
You do wonder if Chelsea will catch them for fourth. I believe they have to play each other.
Ed Balls on BBC playing the eukaleli and singing “when I’m cleaning windows”
I've told this anecdote before but not so long ago I was on a bus tour in Oxford. We went past lots of the colleges - 'that's St John's college where former prime minister Tony Blair studied', next it was 'that's Somerville college where former prime minister Margaret Thatcher' studied and then the announcer asked if there were any fans of strictly come dancing on board. A few people cheered. 'And that there is Keble college, where Ed Balls studied'.
This is turning out to be like the run in to the Customs Union change. Slow and salami sliced changes, then 6 months down the line, Corbyn will say so himself. Remember he was against Customs Union too!
Yes. Those dastardly, export earning composers and viola players have been milking the system for YEARS.
Deport ‘em, I reckon. Those trombonists? They don’t like it up ‘em!
This really is a pointless argument. I don't think it will make much difference to our tax take. Ironically, as with the City, I seem to have a higher opinion of their abilities than they do themselves. But if the tax take does go down, I'm sure us Brexiteers will suffer.
It’s pointless because your response to a well-argued piece on the impact of Brexit to the cultural sector sought to blame the writer rather than address any of the detail within.
It’s easy to mock the “arts”, forgetting presumably that it is a multi-billion export industry these days, and one in which the U.K. has excelled.
But, see also pharma, finance, aerospace, auto, higher education etc etc etc.
There are two questions:
1) Will the benefits of leaving the EU outweigh the costs? 2) Will the costs and benefits be distributed evenly?
The answer to 1) has been debated on here at length. The answer to 2) is almost certainly no. That, however, is always the case with any political and economic decision. Whilst I think it's a shame that other European states are now making things harder for British musicians, perhaps the author should think about what joining the EEC did to industries such as fishing.
What really fucks me off is the sense of entitlement of certain groups in this country.
UK fishing was screwed because they sold their fishing permits to the Spanish.Depletion of the fish stock and conservation efforts didn't help but those weren't the fault of the EU.
The whining of the Brexiteers really is something to behold.
How were they not the fault of the EU? Surely the CFP is the principal mechanism affecting the sustainability of fishing anywhere in EU waters?
Whew! I've just managed to escape watching the rest of the Queen's B'day celebration on the tele, during which I was fortunate to have a classic Eric Frank Russell novel to read.
Is it Wasp or Next Of Kin ?
"Three to Conquer". I don't know how he does it, but he even grips me through all that TV hullaballoo. I've just done a Google search on the man: it's sad how few books he wrote. I've discovered a few of 'em buried behind other stuff. I think a visit to my local used bookstore is in order.
I don’t think anyone is ‘excited’ about this scandal. Antisemitism also affects few voters directly but IIRC you were convinced it was disastrous for Labour electorally.
Exhibit A: a Govt. mid-term 5% poll lead.....
Sub exhibit A(i): a party partisan taking a single poll as evidence of an established & solid lead.
Exhibit B Tory lead of 9% eve of poll GE2017 100 seat majority in bag.
9.59 Tories await Exit Poll to see how big their majority has increased to.
Perhaps you'd like to make a list of the great achievements which people will remember a century from now.
.
So you can't think of anything.
And the idea that London only became 'de facto cultural capital of Europe' after 1997 is comical.
I’m not here to compile lists of great British creative achievements.
And indeed, since you appear to be a philistine and a halfwit, it would be wasted on you anyway.
I am here to point out the value of creative exports (according to that article) nearly rank with the budget of the whole NHS. You seem to disregard that in your sneering troglodytism.
A tendency of people with closed minds in my experience.
I’m not sure *what* your point is. I suspect you don’t have one. You simply saw an opportunity to sneer at some old New Labour PR term “Cool Britannia”, presumably seeking warm approval from your fellow trogs.
Not really relevant to 2018, is it?
I wasn't making a point or trying to prove anything I asked two questions namely what happened to 'Cool Britannia' and what great achievments did it produce.
Yet within a couple of replies you were into 'philistine', 'halfwit' and now 'trogs'.
I would have hoped that anyone raising an issue would be willing to discuss it in a civilised manner and be open to new thoughts relating to it.
Are you ?
So if you wish we could discuss art or music or literature of recent years and how it has changed. Or indeed seeing that you mentioned the Black and White Minstrel Show how current television compares to that of the 1970s.
The 1970s gave us Elizabeth R, Secret Army, The Onedin Line, Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy, Grange Hill and various Plays For Today among the drama programs and Fawlty Towers, Porridge, Some Mothers Do 'Av 'Em, The Good Life, Rising Damp and Not The Nine O'Clock News among the comedy. Plus Minder which was a bit of both.
Now how does the last decade compare to that ?
Those are all great shows, but what is your point? It would be boring for PB to add a rollcall from Thomas Ades to Zaha Hadid.
The fact is that in cultural exports, we are a superpower. And, in almost every studio, every architecture practice, every atelier in the country, the talent comes from across the U.K. and across the EU.
Turns out that the creative industry - like finance - is heavily clustered - and London is the largest such - by far - in Europe. Brexit makes this all more difficult.
Perhaps you'd like to make a list of the great achievements which people will remember a century from now.
No doubt they’ll be analysing SeanT’s work in the University of Alpha Centauri.
Yes, it’s made a lot of money. And taxes paid too, which is helpful when considering the cost of your round-the-clock incontinence service.
So you can't think of anything.
And the idea that London only became 'de facto cultural capital of Europe' after 1997 is comical.
I’m not here to compile lists of great British creative achievements.
And indeed, since you appear to be a philistine and a halfwit, it would be wasted on you anyway.
I am here to point out the value of creative exports (according to that article) nearly rank with the budget of the whole NHS. You seem to disregard that in your sneering troglodytism.
LOL
You so often stoop to shrill abuse when people ask inconvenient questions.
A tendency of people with closed minds in my experience.
What *is* your inconvenient question? What are you trying to prove? That the Black and White Minstrel show was the apex of British civilisation?
I’m not sure *what* your point is. I suspect you don’t have one. You simply saw an opportunity to sneer at some old New Labour PR term “Cool Britannia”, presumably seeking warm approval from your fellow trogs.
Not really relevant to 2018, is it?
I wasn't making a point or trying to prove anything I asked two questions namely what happened to 'Cool Britannia' and what great achievments did it produce.
Yet within a couple of replies you were into 'philistine', 'halfwit' and now 'trogs'.
I would have hoped that anyone raising an issue would be willing to discuss it in a civilised manner and be open to new thoughts relating to it.
Are you ?
So if you wish we could discuss art or music or literature of recent years and how it has changed. Or indeed seeing that you mentioned the Black and White Minstrel Show how current television compares to that of the 1970s.
The 1970s gave us Elizabeth R, Secret Army, The Onedin Line, Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy, Grange Hill and various Plays For Today among the drama programs and Fawlty Towers, Porridge, Some Mothers Do 'Av 'Em, The Good Life, Rising Damp and Not The Nine O'Clock News among the comedy. Plus Minder which was a bit of both.
Now how does the last decade compare to that ?
My view is somwhat limited by having a two year old, but Go Jetters will be passed to future historians as the finest contemporary allegory for Brexit that there was.
Perhaps you'd like to make a list of the great achievements which people will reember a century from now.
.
So you can't think of anything.
And the idea that London only became 'de facto cultural capital of Europe' after 1997 is comical.
I’m not here to compile lists of great British creative achievements.
And indeed, since you appear to be a philistine and a halfwit, it would be wasted on you anyway.
I am here to point out the value of creative exports (according to that article) nearly rank with the budget of the whole NHS. You seem to disregard that in your sneering troglodytism.
A tendency of people with closed minds in my experience.
I’m not sure *what* your point is. I suspect you don’t have one. You simply saw an opportunity to sneer at some old New Labour PR term “Cool Britannia”, presumably seeking warm approval from your fellow trogs.
Not really relevant to 2018, is it?
I wasn't making a point or trying to prove anything I asked two questions namely what happened to 'Cool Britannia' and what great achievments did it produce.
Yet within a couple of replies you were into 'philistine', 'halfwit' and now 'trogs'.
I would have hoped that anyone raising an issue would be willing to discuss it in a civilised manner and be open to new thoughts relating to it.
Are you ?
So if you wish we could discuss art or music or literature of recent years and how it has changed. Or indeed seeing that you mentioned the Black and White Minstrel Show how current television compares to that of the 1970s.
The 1970s gave us Elizabeth R, Secret Army, The Onedin Line, Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy, Grange Hill and various Plays For Today among the drama programs and Fawlty Towers, Porridge, Some Mothers Do 'Av 'Em, The Good Life, Rising Damp and Not The Nine O'Clock News among the comedy. Plus Minder which was a bit of both.
Now how does the last decade compare to that ?
Those are all great shows, but what is your point? It would be boring for PB to add a rollcall from Thomas Ades to Zaha Hadid.
The fact is that in cultural exports, we are a superpower. And, in almost every studio, every architecture practice, every atelier in the country, the talent comes from across the U.K. and across the EU.
Turns out that the creative industry - like finance - is heavily clustered - and London is the largest such - by far - in Europe. Brexit makes this all more difficult.
On Spurs they went off at a pace but when playing a semi at Wembley it is not the best to do. United started to outplay them 25 minutes in but were very also good in defence throughout
I did not know that is the eight cup semi Spurs have lost and this time on their home ground.
You do wonder if Chelsea will catch them for fourth. I believe they have to play each other.
Getting squeaky bum time maybe
Nah. We won at the bridge a few weeks ago... 3 home games left out of 4....surely we can't stuff that up too...
On Spurs they went off at a pace but when playing a semi at Wembley it is not the best to do. United started to outplay them 25 minutes in but were very also good in defence throughout
I did not know that is the eight cup semi Spurs have lost and this time on their home ground.
You do wonder if Chelsea will catch them for fourth. I believe they have to play each other.
Getting squeaky bum time maybe
Nah. We won at the bridge a few weeks ago... 3 home games left out of 4....surely we can't stuff that up too...
Depends on how they take the pressure. I hope not as Spurs have played wonderful football this year but it is just a bit uncertain now
On Spurs they went off at a pace but when playing a semi at Wembley it is not the best to do. United started to outplay them 25 minutes in but were very also good in defence throughout
I did not know that is the eight cup semi Spurs have lost and this time on their home ground.
You do wonder if Chelsea will catch them for fourth. I believe they have to play each other.
Getting squeaky bum time maybe
Nah. We won at the bridge a few weeks ago... 3 home games left out of 4....surely we can't stuff that up too...
Depends on how they take the pressure. I hope not as Spurs have played wonderful football this year but it is just a bit uncertain now
Sorry if I may have caused you concern. Spurs deserve champions league football this year.
The trouble is when you have followed football for over 65 years you have seen many stranger things happen
Yes. Those dastardly, export earning composers and viola players have been milking the system for YEARS.
Deport ‘em, I reckon. Those trombonists? They don’t like it up ‘em!
This really is a pointless argument. I don't think it will make much difference to our tax take. Ironically, as with the City, I seem to have a higher opinion of their abilities than they do themselves. But if the tax take does go down, I'm sure us Brexiteers will suffer.
It’s pointless because your response to a well-argued piece on the impact of Brexit to the cultural sector sought to blame the writer rather than address any of the detail within.
It’s easy to mock the “arts”, forgetting presumably that it is a multi-billion export industry these days, and one in which the U.K. has excelled.
But, see also pharma, finance, aerospace, auto, higher education etc etc etc.
There are two questions:
1) Will the benefits of leaving the EU outweigh the costs? 2) Will the costs and benefits be distributed evenly?
The answer to 1) has been debated on here at length. The answer to 2) is almost certainly no. That, however, is always the case with any political and economic decision. Whilst I think it's a shame that other European states are now making things harder for British musicians, perhaps the author should think about what joining the EEC did to industries such as fishing.
What really fucks me off is the sense of entitlement of certain groups in this country.
UK fishing was screwed because they sold their fishing permits to the Spanish.Depletion of the fish stock and conservation efforts didn't help but those weren't the fault of the EU.
The whining of the Brexiteers really is something to behold.
How were they not the fault of the EU? Surely the CFP is the principal mechanism affecting the sustainability of fishing anywhere in EU waters?
Only as an enabler of Scottish fishermen's greed, according to this fisherman. And once the greed was out of control, the EU stepped in to put a stopper on it.
On Spurs they went off at a pace but when playing a semi at Wembley it is not the best to do. United started to outplay them 25 minutes in but were very also good in defence throughout
I did not know that is the eight cup semi Spurs have lost and this time on their home ground.
You do wonder if Chelsea will catch them for fourth. I believe they have to play each other.
Getting squeaky bum time maybe
Nah. We won at the bridge a few weeks ago... 3 home games left out of 4....surely we can't stuff that up too...
Depends on how they take the pressure. I hope not as Spurs have played wonderful football this year but it is just a bit uncertain now
Sorry if I may have caused you concern. Spurs deserve champions league football this year.
The trouble is when you have followed football for over 65 years you have seen many stranger things happen
Southam usually appears at the end of season betting against spurs.. .. I've copied him this year and won consolation bets for both today and city last week... Doesn't help much... Just bet on saints tomorrow and Watford and Newcastle v spurs to come.... He'd approve I'm sure!!
Yes. Those dastardly, export earning composers and viola players have been milking the system for YEARS.
Deport ‘em, I reckon. Those trombonists? They don’t like it up ‘em!
This really is a pointless argument. I don't think it will make much difference to our tax take. Ironically, as with the City, I seem to have a higher opinion of their abilities than they do themselves. But if the tax take does go down, I'm sure us Brexiteers will suffer.
It’s pointless because your response to a well-argued piece on the impact of Brexit to the cultural sector sought to blame the writer rather than address any of the detail within.
It’s easy to mock the “arts”, forgetting presumably that it is a multi-billion export industry these days, and one in which the U.K. has excelled.
But, see also pharma, finance, aerospace, auto, higher education etc etc etc.
There are two questions:
1) Will the benefits of leaving the EU outweigh the costs? 2) Will the costs and benefits be distributed evenly?
The answer to 1) has been debated on here at length. The answer to 2) is almost certainly no. That, however, is always the case with any political and economic decision. Whilst I think it's a shame that other European states are now making things harder for British musicians, perhaps the author should think about what joining the EEC did to industries such as fishing.
What really fucks me off is the sense of entitlement of certain groups in this country.
UK fishing was screwed because they sold their fishing permits to the Spanish.Depletion of the fish stock and conservation efforts didn't help but those weren't the fault of the EU.
The whining of the Brexiteers really is something to behold.
How were they not the fault of the EU? Surely the CFP is the principal mechanism affecting the sustainability of fishing anywhere in EU waters?
Only as an enabler of Scottish fishermen's greed, according to this fisherman. And once the greed was out of control, the EU stepped in to put a stopper on it.
I’m not here to compile lists of great British creative achievements.
And indeed, since you appear to be a philistine and a halfwit, it would be wasted on you anyway.
I am here to point out the value of creative exports (according to that article) nearly rank with the budget of the whole NHS. You seem to disregard that in your sneering troglodytism.
A tendency of people with closed minds in my experience.
I’m not sure *what* your point is. I suspect you don’t have one. You simply saw an opportunity to sneer at some old New Labour PR term “Cool Britannia”, presumably seeking warm approval from your fellow trogs.
Not really relevant to 2018, is it?
I wasn't making a point or trying to prove anything I asked two questions namely what happened to 'Cool Britannia' and what great achievments did it produce.
Yet within a couple of replies you were into 'philistine', 'halfwit' and now 'trogs'.
I would have hoped that anyone raising an issue would be willing to discuss it in a civilised manner and be open to new thoughts relating to it.
Are you ?
So if you wish we could discuss art or music or literature of recent years and how it has changed. Or indeed seeing that you mentioned the Black and White Minstrel Show how current television compares to that of the 1970s.
The 1970s gave us Elizabeth R, Secret Army, The Onedin Line, Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy, Grange Hill and various Plays For Today among the drama programs and Fawlty Towers, Porridge, Some Mothers Do 'Av 'Em, The Good Life, Rising Damp and Not The Nine O'Clock News among the comedy. Plus Minder which was a bit of both.
Now how does the last decade compare to that ?
Those are all great shows, but what is your point? It would be boring for PB to add a rollcall from Thomas Ades to Zaha Hadid.
The fact is that in cultural exports, we are a superpower. And, in almost every studio, every architecture practice, every atelier in the country, the talent comes from across the U.K. and across the EU.
Turns out that the creative industry - like finance - is heavily clustered - and London is the largest such - by far - in Europe. Brexit makes this all more difficult.
Britain being a centre of culture long outdates 'Cool Britannia' or membership of the EU.
And in many areas - for example television in the 1970s or music in the 1960s or further back literature in the 19th century - the cultural importance was higher then than their equivalents today.
With other parts of the world becoming more politically and economically important an insular EUcentric looking view might actually be detrimental in the years to come.
Ed Balls on BBC playing the eukaleli and singing “when I’m cleaning windows”
Will that be when the wife has kicked you out and told you to go get a job, rather than spending the morning watching Jeremy Kyle in your trackie bottoms and string vest, eh Ed? (Haven't got the excuse now that "It's research on my constituents...")
Well, OK, but even explained like that, it's not a story from which the EU emerges looking all that good. And certainly not all that bright.
Mebbes so, but at least the EU appears to have mended its ways. The utterances of UK fisherman seems to center around access to 'their' fish being restrained, or resentment of foreign boats taking 'their' fish. They seem oblivious to the fact that they do and will depend largely on foreigners to purchase and consume the fish they catch.
Well, OK, but even explained like that, it's not a story from which the EU emerges looking all that good. And certainly not all that bright.
Mebbes so, but at least the EU seems to have mended their ways. The utterances of UK fisherman seems to center around access to 'their' fish being restrained, or resentment of foreign boats taking 'their' fish. They seem oblivious to the fact that they do and will depend largely on foreigners to purchase and consume the fish they catch.
The shocker to me was to discover that 80% of the Welsh fishing catch had been sold to a single Spanish company.
We buggered our fishing industry because we weren’t interested in it.
And the idea that London only became 'de facto cultural capital of Europe' after 1997 is comical.
I’m not here to compile lists of great British creative achievements.
And indeed, since you appear to be a philistine and a halfwit, it would be wasted on you anyway.
I am here to point out the value of creative exports (according to that article) nearly rank with the budget of the whole NHS. You seem to disregard that in your sneering troglodytism.
A tendency of people with closed minds in my experience.
I’m not sure *what* your point is. I suspect you don’t have one. You simply saw an opportunity to sneer at some old New Labour PR term “Cool Britannia”, presumably seeking warm approval from your fellow trogs.
Not really relevant to 2018, is it?
I wasn't making a point or trying to prove anything I asked two questions namely what happened to 'Cool Britannia' and what great achievments did it produce.
Yet within a couple of replies you were into 'philistine', 'halfwit' and now 'trogs'.
I would have hoped that anyone raising an issue would be willing to discuss it in a civilised manner and be open to new thoughts relating to it.
Are you ?
So if you wish we could discuss art or music or literature of recent years and how it has changed. Or indeed seeing that you mentioned the Black and White Minstrel Show how current television compares to that of the 1970s.
The 1970s gave us Elizabeth R, Secret Army, The Onedin Line, Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy, Grange Hill and various Plays For Today among the drama programs and Fawlty Towers, Porridge, Some Mothers Do 'Av 'Em, The Good Life, Rising Damp and Not The Nine O'Clock News among the comedy. Plus Minder which was a bit of both.
Now how does the last decade compare to that ?
Those are all great shows, but what is your point? It would be boring for PB to add a rollcall from Thomas Ades to Zaha Hadid.
The fact is that in cultural exports, we are a superpower. And, in almost every studio, every architecture practice, every atelier in the country, the talent comes from across the U.K. and across the EU.
Turns out that the creative industry - like finance - is heavily clustered - and London is the largest such - by far - in Europe. Brexit makes this all more difficult.
So French protectionism doesn’t work?
Doesn't French culture always use the past tense ?
Britain being a centre of culture long outdates 'Cool Britannia' or membership of the EU.
And in many areas - for example television in the 1970s or music in the 1960s or further back literature in the 19th century - the cultural importance was higher then than their equivalents today.
With other parts of the world becoming more politically and economically important an insular EUcentric looking view might actually be detrimental in the years to come.
For what its worth I grew up in the 90s overseas (Australia) but as far as "Cool Britannia" is concerned there was a swathe of British exports to Aus at least and certainly beyond in the 90s: Britpop, Spice Girls, Robbie Williams and more for music alone.
Even non-British movies took a Cool Britannia approach in things like Austin Powers.
Now none of that is to say it wouldn't have happened anyway but that's not really that important is it? What's important is we continue to export our culture where possible.
A tendency of people with closed minds in my experience.
I’m not sure *what* your point is. I suspect you don’t have one. You simply saw an opportunity to sneer at some old New Labour PR term “Cool Britannia”, presumably seeking warm approval from your fellow trogs.
Not really relevant to 2018, is it?
I wasn't making a point or trying to prove anything I asked two questions namely what happened to 'Cool Britannia' and what great achievments did it produce.
Yet within a couple of replies you were into 'philistine', 'halfwit' and now 'trogs'.
I would have hoped that anyone raising an issue would be willing to discuss it in a civilised manner and be open to new thoughts relating to it.
Are you ?
So if you wish we could discuss art or music or literature of recent years and how it has changed. Or indeed seeing that you mentioned the Black and White Minstrel Show how current television compares to that of the 1970s.
The 1970s gave us Elizabeth R, Secret Army, The Onedin Line, Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy, Grange Hill and various Plays For Today among the drama programs and Fawlty Towers, Porridge, Some Mothers Do 'Av 'Em, The Good Life, Rising Damp and Not The Nine O'Clock News among the comedy. Plus Minder which was a bit of both.
Now how does the last decade compare to that ?
Turns out that the creative industry - like finance - is heavily clustered - and London is the largest such - by far - in Europe. Brexit makes this all more difficult.
Britain being a centre of culture long outdates 'Cool Britannia' or membership of the EU.
And in many areas - for example television in the 1970s or music in the 1960s or further back literature in the 19th century - the cultural importance was higher then than their equivalents today.
With other parts of the world becoming more politically and economically important an insular EUcentric looking view might actually be detrimental in the years to come.
I think you are confusing the export and economic value of the cultural sector - which is bigger than ever - with your own subjective view on cultural quality.
This is unsurprising because you have no answer to the original article, except to say that we didn’t need the EU to produce “Minder”.
Even Arthur Daly wouldn’t bother with such a pathetic argument.
Britain being a centre of culture long outdates 'Cool Britannia' or membership of the EU.
And in many areas - for example television in the 1970s or music in the 1960s or further back literature in the 19th century - the cultural importance was higher then than their equivalents today.
With other parts of the world becoming more politically and economically important an insular EUcentric looking view might actually be detrimental in the years to come.
For what its worth I grew up in the 90s overseas (Australia) but as far as "Cool Britannia" is concerned there was a swathe of British exports to Aus at least and certainly beyond in the 90s: Britpop, Spice Girls, Robbie Williams and more for music alone.
Even non-British movies took a Cool Britannia approach in things like Austin Powers.
Now none of that is to say it wouldn't have happened anyway but that's not really that important is it? What's important is we continue to export our culture where possible.
Well, OK, but even explained like that, it's not a story from which the EU emerges looking all that good. And certainly not all that bright.
Mebbes so, but at least the EU appears to have mended its ways. The utterances of UK fisherman seems to center around access to 'their' fish being restrained, or resentment of foreign boats taking 'their' fish. They seem oblivious to the fact that they do and will depend largely on foreigners to purchase and consume the fish they catch.
I am always amazed in the SYP supermarkets in the Balearics, at the amount and variety of wet fish for sale. Then I reflect that none of it has a particularly Mediterranean look to it, and quite likely much of it was caught within 50 miles from where I live, and it's a shame Ibiza has more of an appetite for it than we do.
I see Mike's having dinner with Brexiteer Sean Fear tonight!!!!
#PeaceInOurTime
Not until Alastair Meeks is invited too...and attends!
The Smithson-Fear dinner party is very non league compared to a Meeks-Thomas possibility.
I'd like to think that a Meeks-Thomas dinner might end in a grunty Alan Bates-Oliver Reed style rapprochement in front of a roaring fire.
Famously edited by the Turkish film censor cutting from initial grapple to collapsing panting on the floor - known forever after by Turkish audiences as 'the great buggery scene'....which one suspects was not the intent....
I wasn't making a point or trying to prove anything I asked two questions namely what happened to 'Cool Britannia' and what great achievments did it produce.
Yet within a couple of replies you were into 'philistine', 'halfwit' and now 'trogs'.
I would have hoped that anyone raising an issue would be willing to discuss it in a civilised manner and be open to new thoughts relating to it.
Are you ?
So if you wish we could discuss art or music or literature of recent years and how it has changed. Or indeed seeing that you mentioned the Black and White Minstrel Show how current television compares to that of the 1970s.
The 1970s gave us Elizabeth R, Secret Army, The Onedin Line, Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy, Grange Hill and various Plays For Today among the drama programs and Fawlty Towers, Porridge, Some Mothers Do 'Av 'Em, The Good Life, Rising Damp and Not The Nine O'Clock News among the comedy. Plus Minder which was a bit of both.
Now how does the last decade compare to that ?
Turns out that the creative industry - like finance - is heavily clustered - and London is the largest such - by far - in Europe. Brexit makes this all more difficult.
Britain being a centre of culture long outdates 'Cool Britannia' or membership of the EU.
And in many areas - for example television in the 1970s or music in the 1960s or further back literature in the 19th century - the cultural importance was higher then than their equivalents today.
With other parts of the world becoming more politically and economically important an insular EUcentric looking view might actually be detrimental in the years to come.
I think you are confusing the export and economic value of the cultural sector - which is bigger than ever - with your own subjective view on cultural quality.
This is unsurprising because you have no answer to the original article, except to say that we didn’t need the EU to produce “Minder”.
Even Arthur Daly wouldn’t bother with such a pathetic argument.
So yet again you slip into abuse.
Are tourists going to stop visiting Stratford or are cultural interactions going to cease or are teenagers going to stop trying to become pop stars ?
Perhaps, I don't know but I'm hopeful the cultural sector can continue to prosper - there's a big wide world beyond Fortress EU.
Well, OK, but even explained like that, it's not a story from which the EU emerges looking all that good. And certainly not all that bright.
Mebbes so, but at least the EU appears to have mended its ways. The utterances of UK fisherman seems to center around access to 'their' fish being restrained, or resentment of foreign boats taking 'their' fish. They seem oblivious to the fact that they do and will depend largely on foreigners to purchase and consume the fish they catch.
I am always amazed in the SYP supermarkets in the Balearics, at the amount and variety of wet fish for sale. Then I reflect that none of it has a particularly Mediterranean look to it, and quite likely much of it was caught within 50 miles from where I live, and it's a shame Ibiza has more of an appetite for it than we do.
Yep, I stocked up on several fishy delicacies in the Alicante market the day before I came back to Glasgow last autumn. I'm pretty sure at least a couple of them were caught a lot closer to my homeward destination than my holiday one.
I see Mike's having dinner with Brexiteer Sean Fear tonight!!!!
#PeaceInOurTime
Not until Alastair Meeks is invited too...and attends!
The Smithson-Fear dinner party is very non league compared to a Meeks-Thomas possibility.
I'd like to think that a Meeks-Thomas dinner might end in a grunty Alan Bates-Oliver Reed style rapprochement in front of a roaring fire.
Famously edited by the Turkish film censor cutting from initial grapple to collapsing panting on the floor - known forever after by Turkish audiences as 'the great buggery scene'....which one suspects was not the intent....
I'd heard that story but didn't know which country it related to.
I see Mike's having dinner with Brexiteer Sean Fear tonight!!!!
#PeaceInOurTime
Not until Alastair Meeks is invited too...and attends!
The Smithson-Fear dinner party is very non league compared to a Meeks-Thomas possibility.
I'd like to think that a Meeks-Thomas dinner might end in a grunty Alan Bates-Oliver Reed style rapprochement in front of a roaring fire.
Famously edited by the Turkish film censor cutting from initial grapple to collapsing panting on the floor - known forever after by Turkish audiences as 'the great buggery scene'....which one suspects was not the intent....
I wasn't making a point or trying to prove anything I asked two questions namely what happened to 'Cool Britannia' and what great achievments did it produce.
Yet within a couple of replies you were into 'philistine', 'halfwit' and now 'trogs'.
I would have hoped that anyone raising an issue would be willing to discuss it in a civilised manner and be open to new thoughts relating to it.
Are you ?
So if you wish we could discuss art or music or literature of recent years and how it has changed. Or indeed seeing that you mentioned the Black and White Minstrel Show how current television compares to that of the 1970s.
The 1970s gave us Elizabeth R, Secret Army, The Onedin Line, Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy, Grange Hill and various Plays For Today among the drama programs and Fawlty Towers, Porridge, Some Mothers Do 'Av 'Em, The Good Life, Rising Damp and Not The Nine O'Clock News among the comedy. Plus Minder which was a bit of both.
Now how does the last decade compare to that ?
Turns out that the creative industry - like finance - is heavily clustered - and London is the largest such - by far - in Europe. Brexit makes this all more difficult.
Britain being a centre of culture long outdates 'Cool Britannia' or membership of the EU.
And in many areas - for example television in the 1970s or music in the 1960s or further back literature in the 19th century - the cultural importance was higher then than their equivalents today.
With other parts of the world becoming more politically and economically important an insular EUcentric looking view might actually be detrimental in the years to come.
I think you are confusing the export and economic value of the cultural sector - which is bigger than ever - with your own subjective view on cultural quality.
This is unsurprising because you have no answer to the original article, except to say that we didn’t need the EU to produce “Minder”.
Even Arthur Daly wouldn’t bother with such a pathetic argument.
So yet again you slip into abuse.
Are tourists going to stop visiting Stratford or are cultural interactions going to cease or are teenagers going to stop trying to become pop stars ?
Perhaps, I don't know but I'm hopeful the cultural sector can continue to prosper - there's a big wide world beyond Fortress EU.
Yes.
All cultural interactions are going to cease, and Stratford is going to be closed down.
Thats exactly what the article I posted some hours ago suggested, and what I’m predicting now.
I wasn't making a point or trying to prove anything I asked two questions namely what happened to 'Cool Britannia' and what great achievments did it produce.
Yet within a couple of replies you were into 'philistine', 'halfwit' and now 'trogs'.
I would have hoped that anyone raising an issue would be willing to discuss it in a civilised manner and be open to new thoughts relating to it.
Are you ?
So if you wish we could discuss art or music or literature of recent years and how it has changed. Or indeed seeing that you mentioned the Black and White Minstrel Show how current television compares to that of the 1970s.
The 1970s gave us Elizabeth R, Secret Army, The Onedin Line, Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy, Grange Hill and various Plays For Today among the drama programs and Fawlty Towers, Porridge, Some Mothers Do 'Av 'Em, The Good Life, Rising Damp and Not The Nine O'Clock News among the comedy. Plus Minder which was a bit of both.
Now how does the last decade compare to that ?
Turns out that the creative industry - like finance - is heavily clustered - and London is the largest such - by far - in Europe. Brexit makes this all more difficult.
Britain being a centre of culture long outdates 'Cool Britannia' or membership of the EU.
And in many areas - for example television in the 1970s or music in the 1960s or further back literature in the 19th century - the cultural importance was higher then than their equivalents today.
With other parts of the world becoming more politically and economically important an insular EUcentric looking view might actually be detrimental in the years to come.
I think you are confusing the export and economic value of the cultural sector - which is bigger than ever - with your own subjective view on cultural quality.
This is unsurprising because you have no answer to the original article, except to say that we didn’t need the EU to produce “Minder”.
Even Arthur Daly wouldn’t bother with such a pathetic argument.
So yet again you slip into abuse.
Are tourists going to stop visiting Stratford or are cultural interactions going to cease or are teenagers going to stop trying to become pop stars ?
Perhaps, I don't know but I'm hopeful the cultural sector can continue to prosper - there's a big wide world beyond Fortress EU.
Yes.
All cultural interactions are going to cease, and Stratford is going to be closed down.
Thats exactly what the article I posted some hours ago suggested, and what I’m predicting now.
And this party would differ from the Lib Dems how exactly? Poor old Vince - he must feel like the invisible man at times. Anecdote alert: a voter I know well - university educated, 40s, public sector-ish jobs - who voted for Tony Blair in 97, 01 and 05 and, finding Gordon Brown repulsive, for David Cameron in 10 (and I do mean she voted for these people - her approach to general elections has always been to vote for the party whose leader she likes best), then voted UKIP in '15 (on this occasion due to a deep loathing of Ed Miliband - we forget now how virulently the people who disliked him, disliked him: she never got over the perceived filial disloyalty, and she thought a vote for UKIP the best chance locally of avoiding a labour MP and therefore an EdM as PM - moreover she really didn't regard UKIP with the horror that we were apparently supposed to), voted leave, without conviction, in 2016, then voted Lib Dem in 2017 because the Conservative manifesto offered her nothing (my suggestion that it offered a future in which we might at least pay lip service to living within our means was met with an expression of 'why would anyone vote for that - I want sweeties) and because when all's said and done she wants public spending without the insanity and the anger, and she felt that now the question of Europe was settled she could feel free to vote for the Lib Dems. She voted for them not because they were offering a route back into Europe, but in the expectation that now the question of Europe was out the way they broadly reflected her views. I would tentatively suggest that public spending without the insanity and the anger would be a rather popular offer, the more so if it came without lavish helpings of Europhilia. I would suggest though that the party she, and people like her want is not the Lib Dems but the 'leave' section of the Labour party. Maybe this is what respondents to the poll above have in mind. Or maybe not - who knows. Of course, this is just one person and drawing conclusions from one person is fraught with difficulty. Maybe the best thing we can conclude is that voters do not fit neatly into party boxes.
I see Mike's having dinner with Brexiteer Sean Fear tonight!!!!
#PeaceInOurTime
Not until Alastair Meeks is invited too...and attends!
The Smithson-Fear dinner party is very non league compared to a Meeks-Thomas possibility.
I'd like to think that a Meeks-Thomas dinner might end in a grunty Alan Bates-Oliver Reed style rapprochement in front of a roaring fire.
Famously edited by the Turkish film censor cutting from initial grapple to collapsing panting on the floor - known forever after by Turkish audiences as 'the great buggery scene'....which one suspects was not the intent....
And this party would differ from the Lib Dems how exactly? Poor old Vince - he must feel like the invisible man at times. Anecdote alert: a voter I know well - university educated, 40s, public sector-ish jobs - who voted for Tony Blair in 97, 01 and 05 and, finding Gordon Brown repulsive, for David Cameron in 10 (and I do mean she voted for these people - her approach to general elections has always been to vote for the party whose leader she likes best), then voted UKIP in '15 (on this occasion due to a deep loathing of Ed Miliband - we forget now how virulently the people who disliked him, disliked him: she never got over the perceived filial disloyalty, and she thought a vote for UKIP the best chance locally of avoiding a labour MP and therefore an EdM as PM - moreover she really didn't regard UKIP with the horror that we were apparently supposed to), voted leave, without conviction, in 2016, then voted Lib Dem in 2017 because the Conservative manifesto offered her nothing (my suggestion that it offered a future in which we might at least pay lip service to living within our means was met with an expression of 'why would anyone vote for that - I want sweeties) and because when all's said and done she wants public spending without the insanity and the anger, and she felt that now the question of Europe was settled she could feel free to vote for the Lib Dems. She voted for them not because they were offering a route back into Europe, but in the expectation that now the question of Europe was out the way they broadly reflected her views. I would tentatively suggest that public spending without the insanity and the anger would be a rather popular offer, the more so if it came without lavish helpings of Europhilia. I would suggest though that the party she, and people like her want is not the Lib Dems but the 'leave' section of the Labour party. Maybe this is what respondents to the poll above have in mind. Or maybe not - who knows. Of course, this is just one person and drawing conclusions from one person is fraught with difficulty. Maybe the best thing we can conclude is that voters do not fit neatly into party boxes.
I think the major difference would be that it wouldn't be run by a doddery old man, with a droning voice and Alzheimer's.
And this party would differ from the Lib Dems how exactly? Poor old Vince - he must feel like the invisible man at times. Anecdote alert: a voter I know well - university educated, 40s, public sector-ish jobs - who voted for Tony Blair in 97, 01 and 05 and, finding Gordon Brown repulsive, for David Cameron in 10 (and I do mean she voted for these people - her approach to general elections has always been to vote for the party whose leader she likes best), then voted UKIP in '15 (on this occasion due to a deep loathing of Ed Miliband - we forget now how virulently the people who disliked him, disliked him: she never got over the perceived filial disloyalty, and she thought a vote for UKIP the best chance locally of avoiding a labour MP and therefore an EdM as PM - moreover she really didn't regard UKIP with the horror that we were apparently supposed to), voted leave, without conviction, in 2016, then voted Lib Dem in 2017 because the Conservative manifesto offered her nothing (my suggestion that it offered a future in which we might at least pay lip service to living within our means was met with an expression of 'why would anyone vote for that - I want sweeties) and because when all's said and done she wants public spending without the insanity and the anger, and she felt that now the question of Europe was settled she could feel free to vote for the Lib Dems. She voted for them not because they were offering a route back into Europe, but in the expectation that now the question of Europe was out the way they broadly reflected her views. I would tentatively suggest that public spending without the insanity and the anger would be a rather popular offer, the more so if it came without lavish helpings of Europhilia. I would suggest though that the party she, and people like her want is not the Lib Dems but the 'leave' section of the Labour party. Maybe this is what respondents to the poll above have in mind. Or maybe not - who knows. Of course, this is just one person and drawing conclusions from one person is fraught with difficulty. Maybe the best thing we can conclude is that voters do not fit neatly into party boxes.
I think the major difference would be that it wouldn't be run by a doddery old man, with a droning voice and Alzheimer's.
The voters weren't too impressed by a 'trendy vicar' type leader either.
On Spurs they went off at a pace but when playing a semi at Wembley it is not the best to do. United started to outplay them 25 minutes in but were very also good in defence throughout
I did not know that is the eight cup semi Spurs have lost and this time on their home ground.
You do wonder if Chelsea will catch them for fourth. I believe they have to play each other.
Getting squeaky bum time maybe
Nah. We won at the bridge a few weeks ago... 3 home games left out of 4....surely we can't stuff that up too...
Depends on how they take the pressure. I hope not as Spurs have played wonderful football this year but it is just a bit uncertain now
Sorry if I may have caused you concern. Spurs deserve champions league football this year.
The trouble is when you have followed football for over 65 years you have seen many stranger things happen
Southam usually appears at the end of season betting against spurs.. .. I've copied him this year and won consolation bets for both today and city last week... Doesn't help much... Just bet on saints tomorrow and Watford and Newcastle v spurs to come.... He'd approve I'm sure!!
Won £100 today - United were an absurd 9-4 to win, so free money - and used £50 of it to top up on my Spurs finishing outside the top 4 position. Got 33-1 today, down from 100-1 a couple of weeks back. Am on to win just over £3,000 if it happens, thus making the choke slightly less unpleasant.
And this party would differ from the Lib Dems how exactly? Poor old Vince - he must feel like the invisible man at times. Anecdote alert: a voter I know well - university educated, 40s, public sector-ish jobs - who voted for Tony Blair in 97, 01 and 05 and, finding Gordon Brown repulsive, for David Cameron in 10 (and I do mean she voted for these people - her approach to general elections has always been to vote for the party whose leader she likes best), then voted UKIP in '15 (on this occasion due to a deep loathing of Ed Miliband - we forget now how virulently the people who disliked him, disliked him: she never got over the perceived filial disloyalty, and she thought a vote for UKIP the best chance locally of avoiding a labour MP and therefore an EdM as PM - moreover she really didn't regard UKIP with the horror that we were apparently supposed to), voted leave, without conviction, in 2016, then voted Lib Dem in 2017 because the Conservative manifesto offered her nothing (my suggestion that it offered a future in which we might at least pay lip service to living within our means was met with an expression of 'why would anyone vote for that - I want sweeties) and because when all's said and done she wants public spending without the insanity and the anger, and she felt that now the question of Europe was settled she could feel free to vote for the Lib Dems. She voted for them not because they were offering a route back into Europe, but in the expectation that now the question of Europe was out the way they broadly reflected her views. I would tentatively suggest that public spending without the insanity and the anger would be a rather popular offer, the more so if it came without lavish helpings of Europhilia. I would suggest though that the party she, and people like her want is not the Lib Dems but the 'leave' section of the Labour party. Maybe this is what respondents to the poll above have in mind. Or maybe not - who knows. Of course, this is just one person and drawing conclusions from one person is fraught with difficulty. Maybe the best thing we can conclude is that voters do not fit neatly into party boxes.
I think the major difference would be that it wouldn't be run by a doddery old man, with a droning voice and Alzheimer's.
The voters weren't too impressed by a 'trendy vicar' type leader either.
Don't worry, they are going to try young, charisma free, identity politics obsessed, woman next.
On Spurs they went off at a pace but when playing a semi at Wembley it is not the best to do. United started to outplay them 25 minutes in but were very also good in defence throughout
I did not know that is the eight cup semi Spurs have lost and this time on their home ground.
You do wonder if Chelsea will catch them for fourth. I believe they have to play each other.
Getting squeaky bum time maybe
Nah. We won at the bridge a few weeks ago... 3 home games left out of 4....surely we can't stuff that up too...
Depends on how they take the pressure. I hope not as Spurs have played wonderful football this year but it is just a bit uncertain now
Sorry if I may have caused you concern. Spurs deserve champions league football this year.
The trouble is when you have followed football for over 65 years you have seen many stranger things happen
Southam usually appears at the end of season betting against spurs.. .. I've copied him this year and won consolation bets for both today and city last week... Doesn't help much... Just bet on saints tomorrow and Watford and Newcastle v spurs to come.... He'd approve I'm sure!!
Won £100 today - United were an absurd 9-4 to win, so free money - and used £50 of it to top up on my Spurs finishing outside the top 4 position. Got 33-1 today, down from 100-1 a couple of weeks back. Am on to win just over £3,000 if it happens, thus making the choke slightly less unpleasant.
Agreed re utd odds. I put 80 of my national winnings on with pp.... Watford are 16-1 next up vs us
It will be the last thing she does (as PM) if she does.
She won’t lose the Tory leadership over it. The question will be what happens if enough ultras from the ERG decide to vote with Labour in a vote of no confidence.
As this would result in an election that would give Corbyn a healthy majority, it would rather raise the stakes.
Well, OK, but even explained like that, it's not a story from which the EU emerges looking all that good. And certainly not all that bright.
The CFP wasn't good earlier, but two points in the EU's defence. Firstly the bulk of the overfishing and depletion of stocks happened before we joined the EU. Bad as the CFP was in the early days, it was still better than our management as an independent state. Secondly the more egregious aspects of the CFP were forced on the EU by member states, not least the UK.
The main put point though is that they finally sorted the CFP out and it's not bad now.
It will be the last thing she does (as PM) if she does.
I'm not sure it will. It'll depend on what conditions come with it. The alternative is that come March next year, Britain is out of every FTA the EU has, bar those where the other signatory has agreed to roll it over. As yet, I don't think a single one has?
The problems will come if there has to be significant and ongoing regulatory alignment, and if the ECJ is the sole arbiter of internal UK-EU disputes.
It will be the last thing she does (as PM) if she does.
She won’t lose the Tory leadership over it. The question will be what happens if enough ultras from the ERG decide to vote with Labour in a vote of no confidence.
As this would result in an election that would give Corbyn a healthy majority, it would rather raise the stakes.
They wouldn't and it wouldn't necessarily.
If the Ultras voted against the government in a VoNC, they'd probably be expelled from the Conservative Party and, concomitantly, from the parliamentary group. That would leave them the option of joining a different party - UKIP, most likely - or forming their own. Neither would be particularly appealing in terms of electoral prospects.
Assuming the VoNC carried, it would only result in a new election if no new government could be formed within two weeks. It is quite possible that a new Tory leader could form such a government.
I doubt that'll be the case, simply because of the time constraints. If the deal is voted down, it would open up the possibility of a second vote *in parliament*.
It will be the last thing she does (as PM) if she does.
I'm not sure it will. It'll depend on what conditions come with it. The alternative is that come March next year, Britain is out of every FTA the EU has, bar those where the other signatory has agreed to roll it over. As yet, I don't think a single one has?
The problems will come if there has to be significant and ongoing regulatory alignment, and if the ECJ is the sole arbiter of internal UK-EU disputes.
I've said it before, but it bears repeating, the Department for International Trade should have spent the last two years ensuring that we replicated the existing trade deals of the EU. instead, Dr Fox has spent his time in Washington chasing the chimera of an easy UK-US free trade deal.
It will be the last thing she does (as PM) if she does.
I'm not sure it will. It'll depend on what conditions come with it. The alternative is that come March next year, Britain is out of every FTA the EU has, bar those where the other signatory has agreed to roll it over. As yet, I don't think a single one has?
The problems will come if there has to be significant and ongoing regulatory alignment, and if the ECJ is the sole arbiter of internal UK-EU disputes.
I've said it before, but it bears repeating, the Department for International Trade should have spent the last two years ensuring that we replicated the existing trade deals of the EU. instead, Dr Fox has spent his time in Washington chasing the chimera of an easy UK-US free trade deal.
You haven't said it before, but Brexit was a huge error, wasn't it?
It will be the last thing she does (as PM) if she does.
I'm not sure it will. It'll depend on what conditions come with it. The alternative is that come March next year, Britain is out of every FTA the EU has, bar those where the other signatory has agreed to roll it over. As yet, I don't think a single one has?
The problems will come if there has to be significant and ongoing regulatory alignment, and if the ECJ is the sole arbiter of internal UK-EU disputes.
I've said it before, but it bears repeating, the Department for International Trade should have spent the last two years ensuring that we replicated the existing trade deals of the EU. instead, Dr Fox has spent his time in Washington chasing the chimera of an easy UK-US free trade deal.
Yeh, but that would involve a load of work, as iirc there are 67 of them.
if there is a vote next week in commons on uk remaining in customs union and ten tory mps vote against government can anyone advise will this force government to remain in customs union. do the opposition have the numbers to force the governments hand
if there is a vote next week in commons on uk remaining in customs union and ten tory mps vote against government can anyone advise will this force government to remain in customs union. do the opposition have the numbers to force the governments hand
The EU won’t let us stay in without freedom of movement - it’s all baloney.
if there is a vote next week in commons on uk remaining in customs union and ten tory mps vote against government can anyone advise will this force government to remain in customs union. do the opposition have the numbers to force the governments hand
The EU won’t let us stay in without freedom of movement - it’s all baloney.
i thought freedom of movement was just a requirement of the single market not the customs union?
if there is a vote next week in commons on uk remaining in customs union and ten tory mps vote against government can anyone advise will this force government to remain in customs union. do the opposition have the numbers to force the governments hand
The EU won’t let us stay in without freedom of movement - it’s all baloney.
That’s why it will be customs union and not Single Market.
On Spurs they went off at a pace but when playing a semi at Wembley it is not the best to do. United started to outplay them 25 minutes in but were very also good in defence throughout
I did not know that is the eight cup semi Spurs have lost and this time on their home ground.
You do wonder if Chelsea will catch them for fourth. I believe they have to play each other.
Getting squeaky bum time maybe
Nah. We won at the bridge a few weeks ago... 3 home games left out of 4....surely we can't stuff that up too...
Depends on how they take the pressure. I hope not as Spurs have played wonderful football this year but it is just a bit uncertain now
Sorry if I may have caused you concern. Spurs deserve champions league football this year.
The trouble is when you have followed football for over 65 years you have seen many stranger things happen
Southam usually appears at the end of season betting against spurs.. .. I've copied him this year and won consolation bets for both today and city last week... Doesn't help much... Just bet on saints tomorrow and Watford and Newcastle v spurs to come.... He'd approve I'm sure!!
Won £100 today - United were an absurd 9-4 to win, so free money - and used £50 of it to top up on my Spurs finishing outside the top 4 position. Got 33-1 today, down from 100-1 a couple of weeks back. Am on to win just over £3,000 if it happens, thus making the choke slightly less unpleasant.
My eldest did an accumulator on footie today - staked 50p and won over £200
if there is a vote next week in commons on uk remaining in customs union and ten tory mps vote against government can anyone advise will this force government to remain in customs union. do the opposition have the numbers to force the governments hand
The EU won’t let us stay in without freedom of movement - it’s all baloney.
That’s why it will be customs union and not Single Market.
It will be the last thing she does (as PM) if she does.
She won’t lose the Tory leadership over it. The question will be what happens if enough ultras from the ERG decide to vote with Labour in a vote of no confidence.
As this would result in an election that would give Corbyn a healthy majority, it would rather raise the stakes.
It's high stakes poker all round. Labour want an election, and don't want to commit to a specific Brexit position if possible. All Tory factions want no election, and differing Brexits. All Tory factions dislike May's negotiations on Brexit (probably including her), but they all fear an even worse (from whatever their perspective is) faction taking over from her instead of them. And all Tory factions fear an 'accidental' election if they trigger a leadership challenge.
So if May disappoints you further at what point do the risks of losing a leadership challenge and/or causing (or merely being blamed for) another election defeat become outweighed by the downside in the status quo? Tricky decision, very tricky.
It will be the last thing she does (as PM) if she does.
She won’t lose the Tory leadership over it. The question will be what happens if enough ultras from the ERG decide to vote with Labour in a vote of no confidence.
As this would result in an election that would give Corbyn a healthy majority, it would rather raise the stakes.
It's high stakes poker all round. Labour want an election, and don't want to commit to a specific Brexit position if possible. All Tory factions want no election, and differing Brexits. All Tory factions dislike May's negotiations on Brexit (probably including her), but they all fear an even worse (from whatever their perspective is) faction taking over from her instead of them. And all Tory factions fear an 'accidental' election if they trigger a leadership challenge.
So if May disappoints you further at what point do the risks of losing a leadership challenge and/or causing (or merely being blamed for) another election defeat become outweighed by the downside in the status quo? Tricky decision, very tricky.
The Tories have a strong interest in a second referendum as a way either to get a mandate for the deal, or to abandon Brexit altogether.
(Previous thread) I went to Wikipedia to remind myself of where the Commonwealth Games have been hosted each time, and the other links led to other interesting things like the Francophone Games (which have been happening since 1989 and include countries such as Romania, Poland and Lithuania as well as Francophone countries) which include poetry, dance, singing, painting and sculpture as well as sports
The main practical benefit of the Commonwealth games is that it stops the Chinese from winning all of the gold medals in diving. No doubt the Franco- and Luso- Games also have similar parallel advantages in niche areas.
It's high stakes poker all round. Labour want an election, and don't want to commit to a specific Brexit position if possible. All Tory factions want no election, and differing Brexits. All Tory factions dislike May's negotiations on Brexit (probably including her), but they all fear an even worse (from whatever their perspective is) faction taking over from her instead of them. And all Tory factions fear an 'accidental' election if they trigger a leadership challenge.
There's the script for episode 1 of the Netflix Yes Minister reboot.
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I did not know that is the eight cup semi Spurs have lost and this time on their home ground.
You do wonder if Chelsea will catch them for fourth. I believe they have to play each other.
Getting squeaky bum time maybe
The fact is that in cultural exports, we are a superpower. And, in almost every studio, every architecture practice, every atelier in the country, the talent comes from across the U.K. and across the EU.
Turns out that the creative industry - like finance - is heavily clustered - and London is the largest such - by far - in Europe. Brexit makes this all more difficult.
I know how Ed miliband felt now...
The trouble is when you have followed football for over 65 years you have seen many stranger things happen
'On Scottish Fishing'
https://bellacaledonia.org.uk/2018/04/03/on-scottish-fishing/
#PeaceInOurTime
And in many areas - for example television in the 1970s or music in the 1960s or further back literature in the 19th century - the cultural importance was higher then than their equivalents today.
With other parts of the world becoming more politically and economically important an insular EUcentric looking view might actually be detrimental in the years to come.
We buggered our fishing industry because we weren’t interested in it.
Even non-British movies took a Cool Britannia approach in things like Austin Powers.
Now none of that is to say it wouldn't have happened anyway but that's not really that important is it? What's important is we continue to export our culture where possible.
This is unsurprising because you have no answer to the original article, except to say that we didn’t need the EU to produce “Minder”.
Even Arthur Daly wouldn’t bother with such a pathetic argument.
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/987791875041124354
Are tourists going to stop visiting Stratford or are cultural interactions going to cease or are teenagers going to stop trying to become pop stars ?
Perhaps, I don't know but I'm hopeful the cultural sector can continue to prosper - there's a big wide world beyond Fortress EU.
The current fight on the frampton card is one bloke jabbing and the other with his gloves up for 8 rounds.
All cultural interactions are going to cease, and Stratford is going to be closed down.
Thats exactly what the article I posted some hours ago suggested, and what I’m predicting now.
Anecdote alert: a voter I know well - university educated, 40s, public sector-ish jobs - who voted for Tony Blair in 97, 01 and 05 and, finding Gordon Brown repulsive, for David Cameron in 10 (and I do mean she voted for these people - her approach to general elections has always been to vote for the party whose leader she likes best), then voted UKIP in '15 (on this occasion due to a deep loathing of Ed Miliband - we forget now how virulently the people who disliked him, disliked him: she never got over the perceived filial disloyalty, and she thought a vote for UKIP the best chance locally of avoiding a labour MP and therefore an EdM as PM - moreover she really didn't regard UKIP with the horror that we were apparently supposed to), voted leave, without conviction, in 2016, then voted Lib Dem in 2017 because the Conservative manifesto offered her nothing (my suggestion that it offered a future in which we might at least pay lip service to living within our means was met with an expression of 'why would anyone vote for that - I want sweeties) and because when all's said and done she wants public spending without the insanity and the anger, and she felt that now the question of Europe was settled she could feel free to vote for the Lib Dems. She voted for them not because they were offering a route back into Europe, but in the expectation that now the question of Europe was out the way they broadly reflected her views.
I would tentatively suggest that public spending without the insanity and the anger would be a rather popular offer, the more so if it came without lavish helpings of Europhilia. I would suggest though that the party she, and people like her want is not the Lib Dems but the 'leave' section of the Labour party. Maybe this is what respondents to the poll above have in mind. Or maybe not - who knows.
Of course, this is just one person and drawing conclusions from one person is fraught with difficulty. Maybe the best thing we can conclude is that voters do not fit neatly into party boxes.
Parliament’s meaningful vote will *not* be a “take it or leave it”, opening up the possibility of a second referendum.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-second-referendum-eu-vote-theresa-may-mps-minister-steve-baker-a8313111.html
Moran is really poor. The fact she is seen as a contender shows the dearth of talent left in the LDs.
As this would result in an election that would give Corbyn a healthy majority, it would rather raise the stakes.
The main put point though is that they finally sorted the CFP out and it's not bad now.
https://twitter.com/TheAviationist/status/987824412656201728
The problems will come if there has to be significant and ongoing regulatory alignment, and if the ECJ is the sole arbiter of internal UK-EU disputes.
If the Ultras voted against the government in a VoNC, they'd probably be expelled from the Conservative Party and, concomitantly, from the parliamentary group. That would leave them the option of joining a different party - UKIP, most likely - or forming their own. Neither would be particularly appealing in terms of electoral prospects.
Assuming the VoNC carried, it would only result in a new election if no new government could be formed within two weeks. It is quite possible that a new Tory leader could form such a government.
"Lord Storey, 68, is Lib Dem young people's spokesman"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41601876
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5640595/Ally-Jeremy-Corbyn-downplays-anti-Semitic-abuse-suffered-female-MPs.html
http://hurryupharry.org/2018/04/21/is-supporting-assassination-a-red-line-for-labour/
https://twitter.com/DerbyChrisW/status/987784569867862016
So if May disappoints you further at what point do the risks of losing a leadership challenge and/or causing (or merely being blamed for) another election defeat become outweighed by the downside in the status quo? Tricky decision, very tricky.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeux_de_la_Francophonie
and the Lusophone Games (only three times so far) which includes the Portuguese-speaking countries (including India (because of Goa innit))
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lusophony_Games
The main practical benefit of the Commonwealth games is that it stops the Chinese from winning all of the gold medals in diving. No doubt the Franco- and Luso- Games also have similar parallel advantages in niche areas.
https://twitter.com/sdbernard/status/987371512226353152