I can see the theory but I don't see the practice. If things are amicable enough to fix things like VTAs they will be amicable enough for a trade deal that is in both parties' interest. Now I accept that is a big negotiating space so we can't be sure what the trade deal will actually be, but it will be a meaningful trade deal.
You might be right, but there's a lot more incentive to the EU to avoid the massive disruption of no deal at all than there is to avoid the WTO-only scenario.
What's frustrating is that there doesn't seem to be any grown-up debate about all this. The UK parliament seems intent on dancing on pin-heads, passing amendments which are completely meaningless without the cooperation of the EU27, and the EU27 seem to be focused on extracting Danegeld and ignoring the future relationship.
I see what you are saying, but I suspect it won't play that way. ie the EU will fold before we do on Article 50 differences and will concede on minimal agreement rather than holding fast to the view that they have offered us a reasonable deal and if we don't want to take it, they are not going to bend over backwards to accommodate us. Danegeld is our (your) description. The EU genuinely thinks that money is owed to them.
But you are right that the EU isn't very interested in the future relationship. Maybe they should be.
They are more concerned that the UK should be seen to suffer by leaving in order to ensure no other country goes down the same road. This attitude on their part was predictable, and predicted, but the anglo-centric worldview of many leavers makes it impossible for them to understand why other countries don't care much about the UK's future and see no reason to shield it from the consequences of its own stupidity.
And you wanted to stay with these people?
Certainly. They should be our friends and allies. And they are our biggest customers. I can't think of any other country in the world that thinks its future lies in cutting itself off from its nearest neighbours.
But threatening to stop planes flying or cars ceasing to be approved from 1 day to the next isn't the behaviour of friends and allies
Can any Brexiteer explain the difference between "the political and economic reality of their choice" and "a threat" ?
Wouldn’t good friends and allies work something out?
Brexiteers are like the man who divorces his wife & still expects dinner & a blowjob from her every night after the divorce
Our relationship with the EU was never a marriage. No one would claim we loved each other. It was a business relationship, and business relationships get renegotiated all the time.
But threatening to stop planes flying or cars ceasing to be approved from 1 day to the next isn't the behaviour of friends and allies
Can any Brexiteer explain the difference between "the political and economic reality of their choice" and "a threat" ?
Because they are creating a technical issue with no substance to damage a friend and ally.
WTO - if that is where it ends up - is fair. Preventing the UK from flying planes is not
The EU will not prevent UK planes from flying. If the UK leaves EASA, which the EU does not want it to do, it will prevent its own planes from flying until it has its own regulatory structure. That is a UK decision not an EU one.
Our relationship with the EU was never a marriage. No one would claim we loved each other. It was a business relationship, and business relationships get renegotiated all the time.
By professionals. Experts even. We got dave dee dozy beaky mick & tich
@fatshez: I see Brexit is like a divorce and buying a house. People very rarely buy a bigger, better house after a divorce. Well, not the clients anyway.
But threatening to stop planes flying or cars ceasing to be approved from 1 day to the next isn't the behaviour of friends and allies
Can any Brexiteer explain the difference between "the political and economic reality of their choice" and "a threat" ?
Wouldn’t good friends and allies work something out?
Brexiteers are like the man who divorces his wife & still expects dinner & a blowjob from her every night after the divorce
Our relationship with the EU was never a marriage. No one would claim we loved each other. It was a business relationship, and business relationships get renegotiated all the time.
Our relationship is that of someone paying to use an expensive car park who would like to retrieve their car but the attendant is suggesting that we have to pay for the next 5 years upfront and even then they may come slash our tyres to discourage other users of the car park to leave.
Very sobering stuff on Brexit from UK car people in the Commons this afternoon. Put simply, No Deal kills the industry off over here to a very large extent.
The EU is using every dirty trick in the book to cause immense harm to us. Their threats are closer to a declaration of war than they are a negotiation.
LOL! What a ridiculous statement!
Jeez - some of the nutters on here really are totally unhinged.
I doubt they believe half they say themselves, we are well into the "try and lay the blame on somebody else PDQ" phase. It's not going to be pretty.
I can see the theory but I don't see the practice. If things are amicable enough to fix things like VTAs they will be amicable enough for a trade deal that is in both parties' interest. Now I accept that is a big negotiating space so we can't be sure what the trade deal will actually be, but it will be a meaningful trade deal.
You might be right, but there's a lot more incentive to the EU to avoid the massive disruption of no deal at all than there is to avoid the WTO-only scenario.
What's frustrating is that there doesn't seem to be any grown-up debate about all this. The UK parliament seems intent on dancing on pin-heads, passing amendments which are completely meaningless without the cooperation of the EU27, and the EU27 seem to be focused on extracting Danegeld and ignoring the future relationship.
I see what you are saying, but I suspect it won't play that way. ie the EU will fold before we do on Article 50 differences and will concede on minimal agreement rather than holding fast to the view that they have offered us a reasonable deal and if we don't want to take it, they are not going to bend over backwards to accommodate us. Danegeld is our (your) description. The EU genuinely thinks that money is owed to them.
But you are right that the EU isn't very interested in the future relationship. Maybe they should be.
They are more concerned that the UK should be seen to suffer by leaving in order to ensure no other country goes down the same road. This attitude on their part was predictable, and predicted, but the anglo-centric worldview of many leavers makes it impossible for them to understand why other countries don't care much about the UK's future and see no reason to shield it from the consequences of its own stupidity.
We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender, and even if, which I do not for a moment believe, this Island or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our Empire beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the British Fleet, would carry on the struggle, until, in God’s good time, the New World, with all its power and might, steps forth to the rescue and the liberation of the old.”
Alot of people on both sides of the argument seem to be in denial, remainers that it is happening and brexiteers that it (in all probability) means we'll be worse off because of it.
It was voted for, it is happening & financially we'll be worse of because of it.
Why is everyone pointing to their half of the story ?
Whereas a good part of the argument from Remainers is that giving notice under A. 50 is an act of sedition that merits punishment.
Link?
From Nick C a few post ago:-
"They are more concerned that the UK should be seen to suffer by leaving in order to ensure no other country goes down the same road"
Why are you referring to me as Nick C? You apparently know more details about me than should be the case on an anonymous blog. Can I please ask that you use only my screen name and I suggest that other posters take note of this. Beware!
Very sobering stuff on Brexit from UK car people in the Commons this afternoon. Put simply, No Deal kills the industry off over here to a very large extent.
The EU is using every dirty trick in the book to cause immense harm to us. Their threats are closer to a declaration of war than they are a negotiation.
LOL! What a ridiculous statement!
Jeez - some of the nutters on here really are totally unhinged.
I doubt they believe half they say themselves, we are well into the "try and lay the blame on somebody else PDQ" phase. It's not going to be pretty.
Getting a bit heavy on here. With the Brexit project having moved quickly through the unbridled enthusiasm and disillusion phases and now in the panic and hysteria phase, moving towards hunt the guilty, maybe time for some PB predictions.
Which of the innocent are likely to be punished? Philip Hammond certainly seems to be set up for that. Anyone else? And which of the uninvolved will be promoted? Jeremy Corbyn?
If Brexit is easy, can one of PB's Leavers propose a decent and realistic proposal for the Irish Border?
N.B. Invading Ireland or asking the Republic to leave the EU aren't options.
You didn't rule out Irish unification. So there's an answer.
But no, there is no easy answer, because Brussels wants to make everything as hard as possible. We could have zero tariffs between the UK and the EU in a single market (N.B. not THE Single Market), and there wouldn't be a problem. They are happy to stiff one of the 27 for the greater good of the project.
Whereas a good part of the argument from Remainers is that giving notice under A. 50 is an act of sedition that merits punishment.
Link?
From Nick C a few post ago:-
"They are more concerned that the UK should be seen to suffer by leaving in order to ensure no other country goes down the same road"
Why are you referring to me as Nick C? You apparently know more details about me than should be the case on an anonymous blog. Can I please ask that you use only my screen name and I suggest that other posters take note of this. Beware!
Very sobering stuff on Brexit from UK car people in the Commons this afternoon. Put simply, No Deal kills the industry off over here to a very large extent.
The EU is using every dirty trick in the book to cause immense harm to us. Their threats are closer to a declaration of war than they are a negotiation.
LOL! What a ridiculous statement!
Jeez - some of the nutters on here really are totally unhinged.
I doubt they believe half they say themselves, we are well into the "try and lay the blame on somebody else PDQ" phase. It's not going to be pretty.
The blame lies exactly as much on idle remainers like you, and me, who saw that remain was the way to go but did nothing beyond casting their own vote to secure the right result. Nobody has to lay the blame on you; it is already priced in.
Whereas a good part of the argument from Remainers is that giving notice under A. 50 is an act of sedition that merits punishment.
Link?
From Nick C a few post ago:-
"They are more concerned that the UK should be seen to suffer by leaving in order to ensure no other country goes down the same road"
Why are you referring to me as Nick C? You apparently know more details about me than should be the case on an anonymous blog. Can I please ask that you use only my screen name and I suggest that other posters take note of this. Beware!
But your screen name is Nick - something of a give away.
Whereas a good part of the argument from Remainers is that giving notice under A. 50 is an act of sedition that merits punishment.
Link?
From Nick C a few post ago:-
"They are more concerned that the UK should be seen to suffer by leaving in order to ensure no other country goes down the same road"
Why are you referring to me as Nick C? You apparently know more details about me than should be the case on an anonymous blog. Can I please ask that you use only my screen name and I suggest that other posters take note of this. Beware!
Whereas a good part of the argument from Remainers is that giving notice under A. 50 is an act of sedition that merits punishment.
Link?
From Nick C a few post ago:-
"They are more concerned that the UK should be seen to suffer by leaving in order to ensure no other country goes down the same road"
Why are you referring to me as Nick C? You apparently know more details about me than should be the case on an anonymous blog. Can I please ask that you use only my screen name and I suggest that other posters take note of this. Beware!
Well, one or two people asking why Vince Cable's ratings are so poor (apparently) and why he has done nothing for ages (apparently). The answer lies in the rest of the thread if you're prepared to look hard enough.
Claim vs counter-claim, smear vs rebuttal. One side absolutely right, the other absolutely wrong.
May a helpless dithering lost cause who will lead us all to destruction, Corbyn a terrorist-loving no-hoper who will lead us all to destruction and yet 82% of the electorate voted for them in June. No one can say May and Corbyn don't have a mandate to be awful - they have huge popular support for their apparent collective ineptitude.
As I alluded to the other day, no one wants reasonable at the moment. Certainly since 23/6/16 and arguably since the fall of Lehmann Brothers, reasonable has left the building. All that's left is the vitriol and the fear - the gift that keeps on giving. the fire that keeps on burning.
Does there really come a point when all that matters is change and the consequences of that change are irrelevant because it simply will be change ? In both 1945 and 1979 the electorate took a leap into the dark not because they wildly supported what was being proposed but because the one thing that was certain was that we couldn't go on as we were - perhaps 23/6/16 can be seen in the same light, the repudiation of the EU, of the Establishment, of all that we were and had been simply because it had failed or seemed to have failed.
There will come a time when reason will matter again - in the good times, when people can afford to be reasonable, they will be in spades but for now the fear is everything and that's all the fire needs to burn.
Can't think, with Scott out pounding the pavements every day they should have had it in the bag.
This will come as a shock, but not everyone finds me as influential as you clearly do
I am sure they don't. But it's a pretty poor place to bitch about losing when you spent the whole time cut and pasting tweets rather than knocking on doors
WTO - if that is where it ends up - is fair. Preventing the UK from flying planes is not
Once you boil it right down, the primary argument from Brexiteers is the whine of a 4 year old child
"It'S NOT (blub) FAIR (blub, blub)"
How on Earth did remainers lose?
BUSCRIME.
Obama's back of the queue. That seriously pissed off the elderly vote. I definitely heard "Who the hell does he think he is" and "bloody cheek" when on the phone to my old mum
There will come a time when reason will matter again - in the good times, when people can afford to be reasonable, they will be in spades but for now the fear is everything and that's all the fire needs to burn.
I would like to think so, but since everything that happens on social media, and quite a lot that happens on the mainstream media is about generating and channeling outrage, I am not holding my breathe.
Alot of people on both sides of the argument seem to be in denial, remainers that it is happening and brexiteers that it (in all probability) means we'll be worse off because of it.
It was voted for, it is happening & financially we'll be worse of because of it.
Why is everyone pointing to their half of the story ?
Good post. And because of their respective denials, some Leavers and Remainers are conspiring to make that Brexit worse than it needs to be.
Whereas a good part of the argument from Remainers is that giving notice under A. 50 is an act of sedition that merits punishment.
Link?
From Nick C a few post ago:-
"They are more concerned that the UK should be seen to suffer by leaving in order to ensure no other country goes down the same road"
Why are you referring to me as Nick C? You apparently know more details about me than should be the case on an anonymous blog. Can I please ask that you use only my screen name and I suggest that other posters take note of this. Beware!
Mr. Eagles, and if QMV simply decides that the EU Army should be funded by EU funds and that Britain's contribution should rise significantly?
And you're relying on British PM's standing up for this country against the EU, which, sadly, hasn't happened much of late. Blair threw away half the rebate for nothing, Brown reneged upon the Lisbon referendum, Cameron tried renegotiating and got such a poor offer it harmed rather than helped the Remain campaign.
More Project Bullshit from you.
But this “common defence” will only come about “when the European Council, acting unanimously, so decides”. Unlike in other areas of EU decision-making, the European Commission can’t propose laws about security and defence, and any decisions in these areas must be made unanimously.
That means that the UK effectively has a veto.
UK law also states that no such common EU defence powers can be handed from the UK to the EU without the approval of parliament and a referendum on the decision. So the government would need the support of both the public and MPs before they could make such a decision.
Do I have to explain what unanimously means to you, and why QMV can't apply?
The UK had always resisted the idea of joint EU defense, fearing some kind of big “European army,” but the country’s planned exit from the bloc has removed that hurdle, allowing 23 other EU countries to move forward.
Good to see that there's at least one benefit of Brexit.
He is the real Churchill of our age - someone whose unshakable commitment and conviction go against the popular majority but will undoubtedly be proved correct by history. There is no one to match him in the Commons today. And who knows, he may yet be the man to pick up the pieces at the bottom of the Brexit cliff.
He is the real Churchill of our age - someone whose unshakable commitment and conviction go against the popular majority but will undoubtedly be proved correct by history. There is no one to match him in the Commons today. And who knows, he may yet be the man to pick up the pieces at the bottom of the Brexit cliff.
Hardly. He has been wrong on every major issue involving the EU in the last 30 years. Never forget this is the man who thought we ought to join the Euro. We are incredibly fortunate he was never put in a position to.put his idiotic ideas into practice.
Thank god that lynching was nothing to do Shaun Bailey
Well as she drew a black man getting lynched and we know according to her that Shaun is the token black Tory....put two and two together...
She needs throwing out of the HOC. Odious and unsuited for public life
Agreed along with: Boris Johnson - a total waste of space. Odious and stupid. Liam Fox - a complete joke. Disgraced and then brought back. Jacob Rees Mogg and the DUP - bigots who only care for people like themselves. Jeremy Corbyn - apologist for terrorists.
Lord Archer - disgraced. Should have been stripped of title. Lord Ashcroft of Belize - dishonourable. Should be stripped of title.
Boris Johnson's dad just announced as a contestant in I'm a Celebrity. We can only hope it won't be too long before his son is reduced to seeking such opportunities.
Perhaps his time will come again as leader of the Conservatives .
What are the odds ?
Should be at least 1000/1. The members will never vote for him, the serious elder statesman and a great chancellor - but with a massive flaw in his political beliefs.
On his worst day he could wipe the floor with the current cabinet and opposition without trying.
I agree with you about Ken but the fact labour applauded him will send a signal to all those labour leave voters that they are intent on betraying their vote.
Osborne is finished in politics and no doubt sooner or later Boris will be editing a newspaper not strolling on the stage as PM
Indeed. Any border will be only on the EU side of the line.
It's not a surprise that a protectionist cartel like the EU isn't in favour of wider free trade.
Perhaps we can convince them of the benefits - like Thatcher did of economic reform and privatisation in the 80s.
Uk may well be the "early adopters" once again.
The EU has never been a fan of free trade, it’s a large part of why we voted to leave. It’s an inward looking protectionist bloc representing a vastly diminishing proportion of world trade, the sooner we leave and take our own seat at the WTO - pushing for actual free trade - the better.
Thank god that lynching was nothing to do Shaun Bailey
Well as she drew a black man getting lynched and we know according to her that Shaun is the token black Tory....put two and two together...
She needs throwing out of the HOC. Odious and unsuited for public life
Agreed along with: Boris Johnson - a total waste of space. Odious and stupid. Liam Fox - a complete joke. Disgraced and then brought back. Jacob Rees Mogg and the DUP - bigots who only care for people like themselves. Jeremy Corbyn - apologist for terrorists.
Lord Archer - disgraced. Should have been stripped of title. Lord Ashcroft of Belize - dishonourable. Should be stripped of title.
These people should not be in Parliament.
None of the above come near to the odious Coad Dent
Just noticed your list are of leavers. Where are your remainers for balance
He is the real Churchill of our age - someone whose unshakable commitment and conviction go against the popular majority but will undoubtedly be proved correct by history. There is no one to match him in the Commons today. And who knows, he may yet be the man to pick up the pieces at the bottom of the Brexit cliff.
Hardly. He has been wrong on every major issue involving the EU in the last 30 years. Never forget this is the man who thought we ought to join the Euro. We are incredibly fortunate he was never put in a position to.put his idiotic ideas into practice.
Churchill was often wrong on the detail - even quite big details like the Gallipoli campaign or returning the UK to the gold standard. But he was right about the principles and not afraid to challenge the consensus. In retrospect he stands head and shoulders above the squabbling appeasers of the 1930s. Clarke is in the same position today and I have no doubt he will be proved right in the end.
This "favourability" thing is often confused with "who would make the best prime minister"?
The fact is that the current clutch of top politicians are the direst, most uninspiring worst and most inept in my lifetime. Never in my memory can I recall a prime minister and leader of the opposition competing for the honour of being the most incompetent politician.
Nevertheless when people are asked who would make the best prime minister, most people still choose Theresa May, with the proviso that there isnt much to choose from.
But in any case, Theresa May isnt going to be Tory leader at the next election, and I very much doubt whether Johnson will be either. Johnson is past his sell by date, tarnished goods, especially after the Iran debacle.
When the votes are cast for the 2022 election, the inept Mr Corbyn will no longer be playing against the mistress of spectacular own goals, nor against the master of foot in mouth but against someone a lot more formidable...and Labour is heading straight for the abyss.
Very sobering stuff on Brexit from UK car people in the Commons this afternoon. Put simply, No Deal kills the industry off over here to a very large extent.
The EU is using every dirty trick in the book to cause immense harm to us. Their threats are closer to a declaration of war than they are a negotiation.
If only someone had warned that Vote Leave's have cake and eat it approach was bollocks.
The problem in a word is: infantility. Johnson, Verhofstadt, Farage and Barnier are behaving in a way which 20 years ago would have been unthinkable in a senior politician, because they have Twitter at their fingertips and the example of the POTUS to show how it's acceptable to use it. And the medium is the message here, and Twitter will bring us the disaster of the century because it has come down to a test of that arse Johnson's claim that the EU can whistle. I'd be happier with Blair and mandelson fronting our operation because I'd expect them to behave like adults.
Feck that sounds pompous, but it's true.
You're right.
David Davis is furious at moves by Boris Johnson and Michael Gove to team up on Brexit and will resist their attempts to pressed contempt for Mr Davis, calling him a “f***wit”.
This 'senior ally of Mr Gove and Mr Johnson' would not be a certain Mr Dominic Cummings per chance?
Surely not the same Mr Dominic Cummings whose promise to give the NHS £350 million a week post Brexit could certainly not be described as anything but 'f***wittery', oh no!
Very sobering stuff on Brexit from UK car people in the Commons this afternoon. Put simply, No Deal kills the industry off over here to a very large extent.
Just as well the government is going for a Canada+ FTA then which will be fine for the car industry in the long term
3 figures equally despised by both Tory Leavers and Corbynistas, apart from Ken Clarke even most LDs hate Osborne and Mandelson. So fine in theory, unelectable in practice
Very sobering stuff on Brexit from UK car people in the Commons this afternoon. Put simply, No Deal kills the industry off over here to a very large extent.
Just as well the government is going for a Canada+ FTA then which will be fine for the car industry in the long term
What makes you think the EU will agree to that bearing in mind that it has already said there will be no bespoke deal?
Very sobering stuff on Brexit from UK car people in the Commons this afternoon. Put simply, No Deal kills the industry off over here to a very large extent.
The EU is using every dirty trick in the book to cause immense harm to us. Their threats are closer to a declaration of war than they are a negotiation.
What are those dirty tricks?
Good question. Which tricks? They didn't call the referendum, we did.
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Mrs May is a pound shop Carwyn Jones.
1 - Why did none of this raise concerns when she was a sitting councillor? Did no-one think to report her at the time?
2 - Why did Labour not do the basic level of background checks on this candidate?
3 - Why does she still have the whip?
Labour's refusal to act speaks volumes for their inherent intolerance - as seen with previous cases.
I suspect Guido has a few more bits ready to hit tomorrow - probably just in time for PMQs
Remember those long-ago days of the late noughties, when he seemed to be almost universally respected?
WTO - if that is where it ends up - is fair. Preventing the UK from flying planes is not
"It'S NOT (blub) FAIR (blub, blub)"
But we do expect a constructive dialogue about how to bring the kids up. We may no longer be married but we have plenty of shared interests.
The EU is threatening to prevent us seeing them (in defiance of The Hague Convention) unless we pay them a lot of money.
But then the Germans have form for that...
"They are more concerned that the UK should be seen to suffer by leaving in order to ensure no other country goes down the same road"
Friends and allies would be best for everyone. Threatening us is not conducive to building a relationship of trust
On principle.
we shall fight on the seas and oceans,
we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be,
we shall fight on the beaches,
we shall fight on the landing grounds,
we shall fight in the fields and in the streets,
we shall fight in the hills;
we shall never surrender,
and even if, which I do not for a moment believe, this Island or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our Empire beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the British Fleet, would carry on the struggle, until, in God’s good time, the New World, with all its power and might, steps forth to the rescue and the liberation of the old.”
It was voted for, it is happening & financially we'll be worse of because of it.
Why is everyone pointing to their half of the story ?
Which of the innocent are likely to be punished? Philip Hammond certainly seems to be set up for that. Anyone else? And which of the uninvolved will be promoted? Jeremy Corbyn?
But no, there is no easy answer, because Brussels wants to make everything as hard as possible. We could have zero tariffs between the UK and the EU in a single market (N.B. not THE Single Market), and there wouldn't be a problem. They are happy to stiff one of the 27 for the greater good of the project.
Zero tariffs between any country worldwide.
BUSCRIME versus WW3CRIME
Omnibus won.
Well, one or two people asking why Vince Cable's ratings are so poor (apparently) and why he has done nothing for ages (apparently). The answer lies in the rest of the thread if you're prepared to look hard enough.
Claim vs counter-claim, smear vs rebuttal. One side absolutely right, the other absolutely wrong.
May a helpless dithering lost cause who will lead us all to destruction, Corbyn a terrorist-loving no-hoper who will lead us all to destruction and yet 82% of the electorate voted for them in June. No one can say May and Corbyn don't have a mandate to be awful - they have huge popular support for their apparent collective ineptitude.
As I alluded to the other day, no one wants reasonable at the moment. Certainly since 23/6/16 and arguably since the fall of Lehmann Brothers, reasonable has left the building. All that's left is the vitriol and the fear - the gift that keeps on giving.
the fire that keeps on burning.
Does there really come a point when all that matters is change and the consequences of that change are irrelevant because it simply will be change ? In both 1945 and 1979 the electorate took a leap into the dark not because they wildly supported what was being proposed but because the one thing that was certain was that we couldn't go on as we were - perhaps 23/6/16 can be seen in the same light, the repudiation of the EU, of the Establishment, of all that we were and had been simply because it had failed or seemed to have failed.
There will come a time when reason will matter again - in the good times, when people can afford to be reasonable, they will be in spades but for now the fear is everything and that's all the fire needs to burn.
His speech was just cheered and applauded.
Best PM we never had.
Mr Pie is on the money.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ex4rYsjxsdg
Despite Brexit.
What are the odds ?
I've always been a fan of Ken Clarke.
On his worst day he could wipe the floor with the current cabinet and opposition without trying.
Boris Johnson - a total waste of space. Odious and stupid.
Liam Fox - a complete joke. Disgraced and then brought back.
Jacob Rees Mogg and the DUP - bigots who only care for people like themselves.
Jeremy Corbyn - apologist for terrorists.
Lord Archer - disgraced. Should have been stripped of title.
Lord Ashcroft of Belize - dishonourable. Should be stripped of title.
These people should not be in Parliament.
https://twitter.com/AP/status/930476418508705792
Perhaps we can convince them of the benefits - like Thatcher did of economic reform and privatisation in the 80s.
Uk may well be the "early adopters" once again.
Osborne is finished in politics and no doubt sooner or later Boris will be editing a newspaper not strolling on the stage as PM
Just noticed your list are of leavers. Where are your remainers for balance
The fact is that the current clutch of top politicians are the direst, most uninspiring worst and most inept in my lifetime. Never in my memory can I recall a prime minister and leader of the opposition competing for the honour of being the most incompetent politician.
Nevertheless when people are asked who would make the best prime minister, most people still choose Theresa May, with the proviso that there isnt much to choose from.
But in any case, Theresa May isnt going to be Tory leader at the next election, and I very much doubt whether Johnson will be either. Johnson is past his sell by date, tarnished goods, especially after the Iran debacle.
When the votes are cast for the 2022 election, the inept Mr Corbyn will no longer be playing against the mistress of spectacular own goals, nor against the master of foot in mouth but against someone a lot more formidable...and Labour is heading straight for the abyss.
Surely not the same Mr Dominic Cummings whose promise to give the NHS £350 million a week post Brexit could certainly not be described as anything but 'f***wittery', oh no!
https://twitter.com/TelegraphNews/status/930481229027147777?s=17