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Spanish constitution is pretty clear - has to be a nationwide referendum.
However Spanish gov have played this crudely - should have just told voters to ignore ballot then every non voter could be counted as a remainer.
Won't impact support for a split.
Would be funny to see it happen and then Barca get punted out of La Ligua .
The constitution bears the mark of the old regime:
La Constitución se fundamenta en la indisoluble unidad de la Nación española, patria común e indivisible de todos los españoles, y reconoce y garantiza el derecho a la autonomía de las nacionalidades y regiones que la integran y la solidaridad entre todas ellas.
Indissoluble unity and AND indivisible in a single sentence. ¡Una, grande y libre!
It was written post-Franco and approved in a Spain-wide referendum in 1978. It got over 90% of votes in Catalonia.
Mr. Glenn, Parliament's backed Article 50. If we assume, for the sake of argument, that that can be revoked unilaterally *and* the Commons does so, it would have interesting implications for politics.
Breaking News - Verhotstadt says a solution to Ireland will be found and Donald Tusk flying to London to meet Theresa May in Downing Street next Tuesday
Verhofstadt is pushing for special status for Northern Ireland.
Breaking News - Verhotstadt says a solution to Ireland will be found and Donald Tusk flying to London to meet Theresa May in Downing Street next Tuesday
Verhofstadt is pushing for special status for Northern Ireland.
Asked whether the Government will manage to agree a deal with the EU before 30 March 2019, Mr Murphy said: "I don't think Brexit will happen. I don't think the Government has the votes."
Bit late, isn't he? The government has already held the vote, which passed by 494 to 122.
Breaking News - Verhotstadt says a solution to Ireland will be found and Donald Tusk flying to London to meet Theresa May in Downing Street next Tuesday
Verhofstadt is pushing for special status for Northern Ireland.
Mr. Glenn, Parliament's backed Article 50. If we assume, for the sake of argument, that that can be revoked unilaterally *and* the Commons does so, it would have interesting implications for politics.
It'd be no different to suspending 1940 general election for five years.
Democracy can be suspended as the politicians sort the mess out.
Breaking News - Verhotstadt says a solution to Ireland will be found and Donald Tusk flying to London to meet Theresa May in Downing Street next Tuesday
Verhofstadt is pushing for special status for Northern Ireland.
Breaking News - Verhotstadt says a solution to Ireland will be found and Donald Tusk flying to London to meet Theresa May in Downing Street next Tuesday
Verhofstadt is pushing for special status for Northern Ireland.
It sounds a good solution, after all NI did vote to Remain.
That's not how a national referendum works.
The government dismissed amendments that would have made the referendum conditional on a super majority on the grounds that it was only advisory. They would be well advised to take greater account of the differential result.
Breaking News - Verhotstadt says a solution to Ireland will be found and Donald Tusk flying to London to meet Theresa May in Downing Street next Tuesday
Verhofstadt is pushing for special status for Northern Ireland.
It sounds a good solution, after all NI did vote to Remain.
That's not how a national referendum works.
The government dismissed amendments that would have made the referendum conditional on a super majority on the grounds that it was only advisory. They would be well advised to take greater account of the differential result.
Breaking News - Verhotstadt says a solution to Ireland will be found and Donald Tusk flying to London to meet Theresa May in Downing Street next Tuesday
Verhofstadt is pushing for special status for Northern Ireland.
It sounds a good solution, after all NI did vote to Remain.
That's not how a national referendum works.
The government dismissed amendments that would have made the referendum conditional on a super majority on the grounds that it was only advisory. They would be well advised to take greater account of the differential result.
Dave should have followed the Scottish Referendum precedent (1979 version)
Breaking News - Verhotstadt says a solution to Ireland will be found and Donald Tusk flying to London to meet Theresa May in Downing Street next Tuesday
Verhofstadt is pushing for special status for Northern Ireland.
It sounds a good solution, after all NI did vote to Remain.
That's not how a national referendum works.
The government dismissed amendments that would have made the referendum conditional on a super majority on the grounds that it was only advisory. They would be well advised to take greater account of the differential result.
If anything, the fact that clause wasn't in the bill means they don't have to take the differential result into account at all.
Breaking News - Verhotstadt says a solution to Ireland will be found and Donald Tusk flying to London to meet Theresa May in Downing Street next Tuesday
Verhofstadt is pushing for special status for Northern Ireland.
It sounds a good solution, after all NI did vote to Remain.
That's not how a national referendum works.
The government dismissed amendments that would have made the referendum conditional on a super majority on the grounds that it was only advisory. They would be well advised to take greater account of the differential result.
Dave should have followed the Scottish Referendum precedent (1979 version)
Wasn't that proposed in the Lords, or was the amendment not given any time?
Breaking News - Verhotstadt says a solution to Ireland will be found and Donald Tusk flying to London to meet Theresa May in Downing Street next Tuesday
Verhofstadt is pushing for special status for Northern Ireland.
It sounds a good solution, after all NI did vote to Remain.
That's not how a national referendum works.
The government dismissed amendments that would have made the referendum conditional on a super majority on the grounds that it was only advisory. They would be well advised to take greater account of the differential result.
Dave should have followed the Scottish Referendum precedent (1979 version)
Wasn't that proposed in the Lords, or was the amendment not given any time?
Spanish constitution is pretty clear - has to be a nationwide referendum.
However Spanish gov have played this crudely - should have just told voters to ignore ballot then every non voter could be counted as a remainer.
Won't impact support for a split.
Would be funny to see it happen and then Barca get punted out of La Ligua .
The constitution bears the mark of the old regime:
La Constitución se fundamenta en la indisoluble unidad de la Nación española, patria común e indivisible de todos los españoles, y reconoce y garantiza el derecho a la autonomía de las nacionalidades y regiones que la integran y la solidaridad entre todas ellas.
Indissoluble unity and AND indivisible in a single sentence. ¡Una, grande y libre!
It was written post-Franco and approved in a Spain-wide referendum in 1978. It got over 90% of votes in Catalonia.
All the officials from Franco's time, including the army, were still there in 1978. That would have been in the minds of those drafting the document. Tejero's attempted coup in 1981 shows that a sizeable proportion of the old establishment (who were never cleared out) were still not comfortable with the new path the country took.
Catalan national feeling has definitely grown since the reestablishment of the Generalidad (regional parliament) and the suppression of Spanish in local education, even for children whose parents are from other parts of Spain. At one point the Generalidad would buy the first 300 copies of almost any book written in Catalan, as the economic incentives to publish in that language were pretty weak compared with the c. 500 million Spanish speakers globally.
Spanish constitution is pretty clear - has to be a nationwide referendum.
However Spanish gov have played this crudely - should have just told voters to ignore ballot then every non voter could be counted as a remainer.
Won't impact support for a split.
Would be funny to see it happen and then Barca get punted out of La Ligua .
The constitution bears the mark of the old regime:
La Constitución se fundamenta en la indisoluble unidad de la Nación española, patria común e indivisible de todos los españoles, y reconoce y garantiza el derecho a la autonomía de las nacionalidades y regiones que la integran y la solidaridad entre todas ellas.
Indissoluble unity and AND indivisible in a single sentence. ¡Una, grande y libre!
It was written post-Franco and approved in a Spain-wide referendum in 1978. It got over 90% of votes in Catalonia.
All the officials from Franco's time, including the army, were still there in 1978. That would have been in the minds of those drafting the document. Tejero's attempted coup in 1981 shows that a sizeable proportion of the old establishment (who were never cleared out) were still not comfortable with the new path the country took.
Catalan national feeling has definitely grown since the reestablishment of the Generalidad (regional parliament) and the suppression of Spanish in local education, even for children whose parents are from other parts of Spain. At one point the Generalidad would buy the first 300 copies of almost any book written in Catalan, as the economic incentives to publish in that language were pretty weak compared with the c. 500 million Spanish speakers globally.
Yep - the Generalitat has always spent a lot of money promoting use of Catalan. Spanish is still widely spoken in Barcelona and in tourist towns on the coast, but elsewhere Catalan is the lingua franca. If you want a government job of any kind you have to be fluent in Catalan.
Asked whether the Government will manage to agree a deal with the EU before 30 March 2019, Mr Murphy said: "I don't think Brexit will happen. I don't think the Government has the votes."
Whoever this man is, what he says is utter nonsense. He's yet another fool who thinks that everything important happens in the Westminster bubble.
We are leaving the EU. Whether MPs like it or not doesn't change that. They might as well repeal the Indian Independence Act 1947.
Spanish constitution is pretty clear - has to be a nationwide referendum.
However Spanish gov have played this crudely - should have just told voters to ignore ballot then every non voter could be counted as a remainer.
Won't impact support for a split.
Would be funny to see it happen and then Barca get punted out of La Ligua .
The constitution bears the mark of the old regime
Snip
Indissoluble unity and AND indivisible in a single sentence. ¡Una, grande y libre!
It was written post-Franco and approved in a Spain-wide referendum in 1978. It got over 90% of votes in Catalonia.
All the officials from Franco's time, including the army, were still there in 1978. That would have been in the minds of those drafting the document. Tejero's attempted coup in 1981 shows that a sizeable proportion of the old establishment (who were never cleared out) were still not comfortable with the new path the country took.
Catalan national feeling has definitely grown since the reestablishment of the Generalidad (regional parliament) and the suppression of Spanish in local education, even for children whose parents are from other parts of Spain. At one point the Generalidad would buy the first 300 copies of almost any book written in Catalan, as the economic incentives to publish in that language were pretty weak compared with the c. 500 million Spanish speakers globally.
Yep - the Generalitat has always spent a lot of money promoting use of Catalan. Spanish is still widely spoken in Barcelona and in tourist towns on the coast, but elsewhere Catalan is the lingua franca. If you want a government job of any kind you have to be fluent in Catalan.
It doesn't just promote Catalan; it is actively hostile to the language of the nation as a whole. Its policy is equivalent to the Welsh government forcing almost all children in Wales to attend Welsh-medium schools, even if their parents don't speak a word of the language.
Your second sentence is highly misleading; there are no Catalans who don't speak, write and understand Spanish fluently, whereas nearly 50% of the population in Catalonia doesn't use Catalan at all. They only get away with this chauvinism because they make a net contribution to the Spanish exchequer.
It's fascinating that the region in Spain with the highest use of a regional language (Galicia) has by far the weakest separatist tradition. Franco called it home, and it usually votes for the PP.
Usually put in that situation by the proceeding government, or would you have had them cut spending by £100bn in 2010?
The could have raised taxes on those of us who have seen our incomes grow significantly over the past 7 years... Or maybe not given so much away in corporation tax cuts.
"Look how the Cameron and May administrations have diminished the basic decencies of civilised government. Their perverse response to the great squeeze has been an £18bn cut in income tax, mainly for the better off, and a £9bn cut in corporation tax."
Spanish constitution is pretty clear - has to be a nationwide referendum.
However Spanish gov have played this crudely - should have just told voters to ignore ballot then every non voter could be counted as a remainer.
Won't impact support for a split.
Would be funny to see it happen and then Barca get punted out of La Ligua .
The constitution bears the mark of the old regime
Snip
Indissoluble unity and AND indivisible in a single sentence. ¡Una, grande y libre!
It was written post-Franco and approved in a Spain-wide referendum in 1978. It got over 90% of votes in Catalonia.
All the officials from Franco's time, including the army, were still there in 1978. That would have been in the minds of those drafting the document. Tejero's attempted coup in 1981 shows that a sizeable proportion of the old establishment (who were never cleared out) were still not comfortable with the new path the country took.
Catalan nationalalidad would buy the first 300 copies of almost any book written in Catalan, as the economic incentives to publish in that language were pretty weak compared with the c. 500 million Spanish speakers globally.
Yep - the Generalitat has always spent a lot of money promoting use of Catalan. Spanish is still widely spoken in Barcelona and in tourist towns on the coast, but elsewhere Catalan is the lingua franca. If you want a government job of any kind you have to be fluent in Catalan.
It doesn't just promote Catalan; it is actively hostile to the language of the nation as a whole. Its policy is equivalent to the Welsh government forcing almost all children in Wales to attend Welsh-medium schools, even if their parents don't speak a word of the language.
Your second sentence is highly misleading; there are no Catalans who don't speak, write and understand Spanish fluently, whereas nearly 50% of the population in Catalonia doesn't use Catalan at all. They only get away with this chauvinism because they make a net contribution to the Spanish exchequer.
It's fascinating that the region in Spain with the highest use of a regional language (Galicia) has by far the weakest separatist tradition. Franco called it home, and it usually votes for the PP.
They get away with it because Spanish speakers are far less politically active than Catalan speakers in Catalonia. Fluency in Catalan is pretty universal in younger age groups. I agree the Generalitat is actively hostile to Spanish. It's a real shame. Nationalism does that, though.
I happen to agree with you on that one, nothing to see here.
At the risk of appearing insensitive to those suffering terribly in the Caribbean, it feels like we are in the lull before storm of news & speculation that will rage over the next two weeks with the party conferences and the Florence speech.
Usually put in that situation by the proceeding government, or would you have had them cut spending by £100bn in 2010?
The could have raised taxes on those of us who have seen our incomes grow significantly over the past 7 years... Or maybe not given so much away in corporation tax cuts.
"Look how the Cameron and May administrations have diminished the basic decencies of civilised government. Their perverse response to the great squeeze has been an £18bn cut in income tax, mainly for the better off, and a £9bn cut in corporation tax."
Nothing to see here, plenty of Home Secretaries have been found in contempt of court. Or rather two have, both Tories. One of them was Kenneth Baker. The other wasn't...
Compare the Goldilocks economy the Tories left Labour in 1997 with the unholy shitstorm Labour left them in 2010. Now imagine the atomic wasteland Corbyn will leave in his wake if we're ever stupid enough to elect him...
Usually put in that situation by the proceeding government, or would you have had them cut spending by £100bn in 2010?
The could have raised taxes on those of us who have seen our incomes grow significantly over the past 7 years... Or maybe not given so much away in corporation tax cuts.
"Look how the Cameron and May administrations have diminished the basic decencies of civilised government. Their perverse response to the great squeeze has been an £18bn cut in income tax, mainly for the better off, and a £9bn cut in corporation tax."
Yet receipts from the two taxes are up.
Oh God, we've been through all this before... Both Income Tax and CT are down as a proportion of GDP which is the only true measure. You will then argue that GDP growth (such as it was) would have been lower had taxes not been cut... which nobody can prove one way or another. (But we have had the slowest post-recession recovery ever.
Anyway it's history but live in hope that one day the myth that the Tories run the economy better than Labour will be widely undestood to be just that - a myth!
I suppose it makes sense. Britain will never vote for Brexit, so why plan for it?
With reference to your earlier comment, it's this, rather than votes in parliament that means the chance that when it comes down to it Brexit will be abandoned is still non-zero.
I happen to agree with you on that one, nothing to see here.
At the risk of appearing insensitive to those suffering terribly in the Caribbean, it feels like we are in the lull before storm of news & speculation that will rage over the next two weeks with the party conferences and the Florence speech.
When is Vince's big speech - will he wear his hat!!
Compare the Goldilocks economy the Tories left Labour in 1997 with the unholy shitstorm Labour left them in 2010. Now imagine the atomic wasteland Corbyn will leave in his wake if we're ever stupid enough to elect him...
Hand on heart, if the Tories had won in 2005, do you think the 2008 global crash would have somehow avoided the UK?
Asked whether the Government will manage to agree a deal with the EU before 30 March 2019, Mr Murphy said: "I don't think Brexit will happen. I don't think the Government has the votes."
Whoever this man is, what he says is utter nonsense. He's yet another fool who thinks that everything important happens in the Westminster bubble.
We are leaving the EU. Whether MPs like it or not doesn't change that. They might as well repeal the Indian Independence Act 1947.
It's not like Indian Independence. We can and will rejoin if we do leave.
Compare the Goldilocks economy the Tories left Labour in 1997 with the unholy shitstorm Labour left them in 2010. Now imagine the atomic wasteland Corbyn will leave in his wake if we're ever stupid enough to elect him...
So why did the Tories lose - and lose so badly - in 1997 if they left behind such a fabulous economy ? The 1997 defeat was one of the biggest in history.
I suppose it makes sense. Britain will never vote for Brexit, so why plan for it?
Interesting article. Maybe the thought outlined in the last two senstences isn't too bad an outcome....
"Unless the government starts allocating resources to prepare for the parts of a clean exit in 2019 that it can control, no-one will seriously believe they're considering it. It makes a transition of some kind - on whatever terms it is offered - much more likely."
Asked whether the Government will manage to agree a deal with the EU before 30 March 2019, Mr Murphy said: "I don't think Brexit will happen. I don't think the Government has the votes."
Whoever this man is, what he says is utter nonsense. He's yet another fool who thinks that everything important happens in the Westminster bubble.
We are leaving the EU. Whether MPs like it or not doesn't change that. They might as well repeal the Indian Independence Act 1947.
It's not like Indian Independence. We can and will rejoin if we do leave.
True. Unlike the British Empire, the EU isn't going anywhere, and will continue to be the prime mover in European politics.
Asked whether the Government will manage to agree a deal with the EU before 30 March 2019, Mr Murphy said: "I don't think Brexit will happen. I don't think the Government has the votes."
Whoever this man is, what he says is utter nonsense. He's yet another fool who thinks that everything important happens in the Westminster bubble.
We are leaving the EU. Whether MPs like it or not doesn't change that. They might as well repeal the Indian Independence Act 1947.
It's not like Indian Independence. We can and will rejoin if we do leave.
Glad you are so certain. After all that is going on it is more than likely we will remain an Independent Country trading with the EU and the rest of the World for a very long time
Asked whether the Government will manage to agree a deal with the EU before 30 March 2019, Mr Murphy said: "I don't think Brexit will happen. I don't think the Government has the votes."
Whoever this man is, what he says is utter nonsense. He's yet another fool who thinks that everything important happens in the Westminster bubble.
We are leaving the EU. Whether MPs like it or not doesn't change that. They might as well repeal the Indian Independence Act 1947.
It's not like Indian Independence. We can and will rejoin if we do leave.
True. Unlike the British Empire, the EU isn't going anywhere, and will continue to be the prime mover in European politics.
I suppose it makes sense. Britain will never vote for Brexit, so why plan for it?
With reference to your earlier comment, it's this, rather than votes in parliament that means the chance that when it comes down to it Brexit will be abandoned is still non-zero.
Because it will create immense practical difficulties the EU will allow us to revoke Article 50 unilaterally and go back to the good old days? No.
For a Euroenthusiast, that's a remarkably Anglocentric view!
Asked whether the Government will manage to agree a deal with the EU before 30 March 2019, Mr Murphy said: "I don't think Brexit will happen. I don't think the Government has the votes."
Whoever this man is, what he says is utter nonsense. He's yet another fool who thinks that everything important happens in the Westminster bubble.
We are leaving the EU. Whether MPs like it or not doesn't change that. They might as well repeal the Indian Independence Act 1947.
It's not like Indian Independence. We can and will rejoin if we do leave.
Glad you are so certain. After all that is going on it is more than likely we will remain an Independent Country trading with the EU and the rest of the World for a very long time
More likely we'll end up like Switzerland or Norway... following all the rules but influencing none of them. And paying for the privilege.
Asked whether the Government will manage to agree a deal with the EU before 30 March 2019, Mr Murphy said: "I don't think Brexit will happen. I don't think the Government has the votes."
Whoever this man is, what he says is utter nonsense. He's yet another fool who thinks that everything important happens in the Westminster bubble.
We are leaving the EU. Whether MPs like it or not doesn't change that. They might as well repeal the Indian Independence Act 1947.
It's not like Indian Independence. We can and will rejoin if we do leave.
True. Unlike the British Empire, the EU isn't going anywhere, and will continue to be the prime mover in European politics.
the best thing for the EU is the UK leaving
if they all want to abolish their countries they can get on with it and best of luck etc
Asked whether the Government will manage to agree a deal with the EU before 30 March 2019, Mr Murphy said: "I don't think Brexit will happen. I don't think the Government has the votes."
Whoever this man is, what he says is utter nonsense. He's yet another fool who thinks that everything important happens in the Westminster bubble.
We are leaving the EU. Whether MPs like it or not doesn't change that. They might as well repeal the Indian Independence Act 1947.
It's not like Indian Independence. We can and will rejoin if we do leave.
True. Unlike the British Empire, the EU isn't going anywhere, and will continue to be the prime mover in European politics.
the best thing for the EU is the UK leaving
if they all want to abolish their countries they can get on with it and best of luck etc
Asked whether the Government will manage to agree a deal with the EU before 30 March 2019, Mr Murphy said: "I don't think Brexit will happen. I don't think the Government has the votes."
Whoever this man is, what he says is utter nonsense. He's yet another fool who thinks that everything important happens in the Westminster bubble.
We are leaving the EU. Whether MPs like it or not doesn't change that. They might as well repeal the Indian Independence Act 1947.
It's not like Indian Independence. We can and will rejoin if we do leave.
Glad you are so certain. After all that is going on it is more than likely we will remain an Independent Country trading with the EU and the rest of the World for a very long time
More likely we'll end up like Switzerland or Norway... following all the rules but influencing none of them. And paying for the privilege.
Asked whether the Government will manage to agree a deal with the EU before 30 March 2019, Mr Murphy said: "I don't think Brexit will happen. I don't think the Government has the votes."
Whoever this man is, what he says is utter nonsense. He's yet another fool who thinks that everything important happens in the Westminster bubble.
We are leaving the EU. Whether MPs like it or not doesn't change that. They might as well repeal the Indian Independence Act 1947.
It's not like Indian Independence. We can and will rejoin if we do leave.
It is, in that reverting to the previous state is not in the sole gift of the British government. You might accept Carthaginian terms to rejoin, but the nation won't.
Asked whether the Government will manage to agree a deal with the EU before 30 March 2019, Mr Murphy said: "I don't think Brexit will happen. I don't think the Government has the votes."
Whoever this man is, what he says is utter nonsense. He's yet another fool who thinks that everything important happens in the Westminster bubble.
We are leaving the EU. Whether MPs like it or not doesn't change that. They might as well repeal the Indian Independence Act 1947.
It's not like Indian Independence. We can and will rejoin if we do leave.
Glad you are so certain. After all that is going on it is more than likely we will remain an Independent Country trading with the EU and the rest of the World for a very long time
More likely we'll end up like Switzerland or Norway... following all the rules but influencing none of them. And paying for the privilege.
Compare the Goldilocks economy the Tories left Labour in 1997 with the unholy shitstorm Labour left them in 2010. Now imagine the atomic wasteland Corbyn will leave in his wake if we're ever stupid enough to elect him...
So why did the Tories lose - and lose so badly - in 1997 if they left behind such a fabulous economy ? The 1997 defeat was one of the biggest in history.
Because the Tories were old, tired and divided while Blair was soft, friendly and fresh.
The economy doing so well added to the defeat as the country could afford to go for a change.
Compare the Goldilocks economy the Tories left Labour in 1997 with the unholy shitstorm Labour left them in 2010. Now imagine the atomic wasteland Corbyn will leave in his wake if we're ever stupid enough to elect him...
So why did the Tories lose - and lose so badly - in 1997 if they left behind such a fabulous economy ? The 1997 defeat was one of the biggest in history.
18 years in power and 4 consecutive terms naturally turbocharged the "time for a change" feeling - look at the way Americans almost never elect the same party to the Presidency for three terms in a row, regardless of any other relevant factor. Plus Blair was all cool and socially liberal and shit - essentially laying the foundations for the immense backlash that created today's UK culture wars.
Asked whether the Government will manage to agree a deal with the EU before 30 March 2019, Mr Murphy said: "I don't think Brexit will happen. I don't think the Government has the votes."
Whoever this man is, what he says is utter nonsense. He's yet another fool who thinks that everything important happens in the Westminster bubble.
We are leaving the EU. Whether MPs like it or not doesn't change that. They might as well repeal the Indian Independence Act 1947.
It's not like Indian Independence. We can and will rejoin if we do leave.
Glad you are so certain. After all that is going on it is more than likely we will remain an Independent Country trading with the EU and the rest of the World for a very long time
More likely we'll end up like Switzerland or Norway... following all the rules but influencing none of them. And paying for the privilege.
Canada is the eventual model
How much does Canada pay to get free trade?
There will be a permanent cost associated with the infrastucture of CETA, as there is with NAFTA*. I assume that the parties will split it down the middle.
It is worth noting that the numbers people throw around for Norway's membership of the Single Market are inflated. Only about 40% of the total is for access to the single market, with the rest being Norway's fees - on a body-by-body basis - for membership of certain EU administered bodies such as Erasmus, the ESA and Gallileo.
* The NAFTA number is several billion dollars, almost all of which is spent inside the US. I can't imagine that CETA will be anything like as expensive.
Breaking News - Verhotstadt says a solution to Ireland will be found and Donald Tusk flying to London to meet Theresa May in Downing Street next Tuesday
Verhofstadt is pushing for special status for Northern Ireland.
Asked whether the Government will manage to agree a deal with the EU before 30 March 2019, Mr Murphy said: "I don't think Brexit will happen. I don't think the Government has the votes."
Whoever this man is, what he says is utter nonsense. He's yet another fool who thinks that everything important happens in the Westminster bubble.
We are leaving the EU. Whether MPs like it or not doesn't change that. They might as well repeal the Indian Independence Act 1947.
It's not like Indian Independence. We can and will rejoin if we do leave.
Glad you are so certain. After all that is going on it is more than likely we will remain an Independent Country trading with the EU and the rest of the World for a very long time
More likely we'll end up like Switzerland or Norway... following all the rules but influencing none of them. And paying for the privilege.
The idea that the EU is a regulatory superpower is less valid as time passes. More and more regulations are agreed at a global level; the EU just acts as a pass-through. See Richard North's work on Flexcit for details.
Breaking News - Verhotstadt says a solution to Ireland will be found and Donald Tusk flying to London to meet Theresa May in Downing Street next Tuesday
Verhofstadt is pushing for special status for Northern Ireland.
Breaking News - Verhotstadt says a solution to Ireland will be found and Donald Tusk flying to London to meet Theresa May in Downing Street next Tuesday
Verhofstadt is pushing for special status for Northern Ireland.
Breaking News - Verhotstadt says a solution to Ireland will be found and Donald Tusk flying to London to meet Theresa May in Downing Street next Tuesday
Verhofstadt is pushing for special status for Northern Ireland.
Breaking News - Verhotstadt says a solution to Ireland will be found and Donald Tusk flying to London to meet Theresa May in Downing Street next Tuesday
Verhofstadt is pushing for special status for Northern Ireland.
Breaking News - Verhotstadt says a solution to Ireland will be found and Donald Tusk flying to London to meet Theresa May in Downing Street next Tuesday
Verhofstadt is pushing for special status for Northern Ireland.
Asked whether the Government will manage to agree a deal with the EU before 30 March 2019, Mr Murphy said: "I don't think Brexit will happen. I don't think the Government has the votes."
Whoever this man is, what he says is utter nonsense. He's yet another fool who thinks that everything important happens in the Westminster bubble.
We are leaving the EU. Whether MPs like it or not doesn't change that. They might as well repeal the Indian Independence Act 1947.
It's not like Indian Independence. We can and will rejoin if we do leave.
Glad you are so certain. After all that is going on it is more than likely we will remain an Independent Country trading with the EU and the rest of the World for a very long time
I draw your attention to the fact that the cabinet is not currently united on the form Brexit should take. This is a serious problem and it doesn't look like it is going away. When we leave we will have an ongoing issue about our relationship with the EU. Do we move closer or further away. Euratom for example - we should obviously be a part of. Pharmacovigilance of medicines. What possible benefit is there from leaving that? Given the UK more or less wrote the EU's book on that, it would be particularly perverse to decide to come up with our own way of doing things different to what we created when we were in. Are leavers really going to argue that we leave every single EU institution? Even if they do, and they succeed the cleaner the break the more likely the future direction of travel will be back in. If we leave but remain in a whole set of arrangements with the EU, well what is the point of giving up our influence? The point is that rejoining is straight forward and simple. Staying out will require constant effort on the part of its supporters.
And remember that there is no current consensus on just how we should leave and what the goal of Brexit is. Leavers will find themselves with different priorities and red lines.
There is no doubt in my mind that the day after we leave we will start the process that will take us back in and that the case for rejoining will grow steadily over time. We will be back in.
Asked whether the Government will manage to agree a deal with the EU before 30 March 2019, Mr Murphy said: "I don't think Brexit will happen. I don't think the Government has the votes."
Whoever this man is, what he says is utter nonsense. He's yet another fool who thinks that everything important happens in the Westminster bubble.
We are leaving the EU. Whether MPs like it or not doesn't change that. They might as well repeal the Indian Independence Act 1947.
It's not like Indian Independence. We can and will rejoin if we do leave.
Glad you are so certain. After all that is going on it is more than likely we will remain an Independent Country trading with the EU and the rest of the World for a very long time
I draw your attention to the fact that the cabinet is not currently united on the form Brexit should take. This is a serious problem and it doesn't look like it is going away. When we leave we will have an ongoing issue about our relationship with the EU. Do we move closer or further away. Euratom for example - we should obviously be a part of. Pharmacovigilance of medicines. What possible benefit is there from leaving that? Given the UK more or less wrote the EU's book on that, it would be particularly perverse to decide to come up with our own way of doing things different to what we created when we were in. Are leavers really going to argue that we leave every single EU institution? Even if they do, and they succeed the cleaner the break the more likely the future direction of travel will be back in. If we leave but remain in a whole set of arrangements with the EU, well what is the point of giving up our influence? The point is that rejoining is straight forward and simple. Staying out will require constant effort on the part of its supporters.
And remember that there is no current consensus on just how we should leave and what the goal of Brexit is. Leavers will find themselves with different priorities and red lines.
There is no doubt in my mind that the day after we leave we will start the process that will take us back in and that the case for rejoining will grow steadily over time. We will be back in.
Rejoining is anything but simple. Poll last week showed 62% want out with 27% remain. You are assuming it will all go wrong but there are plenty who see a brighter future away from Junckers and the rest
A Canadian perspective on Mrs May's trip to Canada and her attempt to drum up interest in a Brexit deal with TheRestOfTheWorld. Canada is happy to take the EU deal as a template and recast it to Canada's advantage because they know we're in a weak position. So we will have no deal or a worse deal with the EU and no deal or a worse deal with everyone else. Thus confirming what some of us knew all the long.
A Canadian perspective on Mrs May's trip to Canada and her attempt to drum up interest in a Brexit deal with TheRestOfTheWorld. Canada is happy to take the EU deal as a template and recast it to Canada's advantage because they know we're in a weak position. So we will have no deal or a worse deal with the EU and no deal or a worse deal with everyone else. Thus confirming what some of us knew all the long.
people who were so clever they were otwitted by a bus
A Canadian perspective on Mrs May's trip to Canada and her attempt to drum up interest in a Brexit deal with TheRestOfTheWorld. Canada is happy to take the EU deal as a template and recast it to Canada's advantage because they know we're in a weak position. So we will have no deal or a worse deal with the EU and no deal or a worse deal with everyone else. Thus confirming what some of us knew all the long.
That assumes what the EU wants from a deal with Canada is the same as what the UK would want.
I doubt, for example, that the UK would be as concerned as much for the well-being of French farmers.
A Canadian perspective on Mrs May's trip to Canada and her attempt to drum up interest in a Brexit deal with TheRestOfTheWorld. Canada is happy to take the EU deal as a template and recast it to Canada's advantage because they know we're in a weak position. So we will have no deal or a worse deal with the EU and no deal or a worse deal with everyone else. Thus confirming what some of us knew all the long.
That assumes what the EU wants from a deal with Canada is the same as what the UK would want.
I doubt, for example, that the UK would be as concerned as much for the well-being of French farmers.
oh why even bother
WW3 is due to break our any day now assuming england doesnt fall in to the sea first
A Canadian perspective on Mrs May's trip to Canada and her attempt to drum up interest in a Brexit deal with TheRestOfTheWorld. Canada is happy to take the EU deal as a template and recast it to Canada's advantage because they know we're in a weak position. So we will have no deal or a worse deal with the EU and no deal or a worse deal with everyone else. Thus confirming what some of us knew all the long.
people who were so clever they were otwitted by a bus
We were outwitted because we were too optimistic, we underestimated the number of thick uneducated whiny bitch ass plebs out there.
We should have told those lazy twats 'If someone who can't speak English beats you to a job, then look in the mirror, stop blaming immigrants and learn a vocation.'
We won't make that mistake in the rejoining referendum.
Breaking News - Verhotstadt says a solution to Ireland will be found and Donald Tusk flying to London to meet Theresa May in Downing Street next Tuesday
Verhofstadt is pushing for special status for Northern Ireland.
Asked whether the Government will manage to agree a deal with the EU before 30 March 2019, Mr Murphy said: "I don't think Brexit will happen. I don't think the Government has the votes."
Whoever this man is, what he says is utter nonsense. He's yet another fool who thinks that everything important happens in the Westminster bubble.
We are leaving the EU. Whether MPs like it or not doesn't change that. They might as well repeal the Indian Independence Act 1947.
It's not like Indian Independence. We can and will rejoin if we do leave.
Glad you are so certain. After all that is going on it is more than likely we will remain an Independent Country trading with the EU and the rest of the World for a very long time
I draw your attention to the fact that the cabinet is not currently united on the form Brexit should take. This is a serious problem and it doesn't look like it is going away. When we leave we will have an ongoing issue about our relationship with the EU. Do we move closer or further away. Euratom for example - we should obviously be a part of. Pharmacovigilance of medicines. What possible benefit is there from leaving that? Given the UK more or less wrote the EU's book on that, it would be particularly perverse to decide to come up with our own way of doing things different to what we created when we were in. Are leavers really going to argue that we leave every single EU institution? Even if they do, and they succeed the cleaner the break the more likely the future direction of travel will be back in. If we leave but remain in a whole set of arrangements with the EU, well what is the point of giving up our influence? The point is that rejoining is straight forward and simple. Staying out will require constant effort on the part of its supporters.
And remember that there is no current consensus on just how we should leave and what the goal of Brexit is. Leavers will find themselves with different priorities and red lines.
There is no doubt in my mind that the day after we leave we will start the process that will take us back in and that the case for rejoining will grow steadily over time. We will be back in.
Not this century. It simply will not happen. Opposition to the EU will only increase once we are out.
A Canadian perspective on Mrs May's trip to Canada and her attempt to drum up interest in a Brexit deal with TheRestOfTheWorld. Canada is happy to take the EU deal as a template and recast it to Canada's advantage because they know we're in a weak position. So we will have no deal or a worse deal with the EU and no deal or a worse deal with everyone else. Thus confirming what some of us knew all the long.
people who were so clever they were otwitted by a bus
We were outwitted because we were too optimistic, we underestimated the number of thick uneducated whiny bitch ass plebs out there.
We should have told those lazy twats 'If someone who can't speak English beats you to a job, then look in the mirror, stop blaming immigrants and learn a vocation.'
We won't make that mistake in the rejoining referendum.
Rejoining is anything but simple. Poll last week showed 62% want out with 27% remain. You are assuming it will all go wrong but there are plenty who see a brighter future away from Junckers and the rest
It all depends on how successful Brexit is. I wasn't convinced that Brexit was a good idea before the referendum and I am no more convinced now. If the economy suffers and living standards deteriorate then the next generation of politicians will lead us back in via a positive referendum vote.
A Canadian perspective on Mrs May's trip to Canada and her attempt to drum up interest in a Brexit deal with TheRestOfTheWorld. Canada is happy to take the EU deal as a template and recast it to Canada's advantage because they know we're in a weak position. So we will have no deal or a worse deal with the EU and no deal or a worse deal with everyone else. Thus confirming what some of us knew all the long.
people who were so clever they were otwitted by a bus
We were outwitted because we were too optimistic, we underestimated the number of thick uneducated whiny bitch ass plebs out there.
We should have told those lazy twats 'If someone who can't speak English beats you to a job, then look in the mirror, stop blaming immigrants and learn a vocation.'
We won't make that mistake in the rejoining referendum.
Better hope it's not a double decker you're up against next time then.
The "bus" has to be well up there with "Labour's not working", and "morning in America" and "things can only get better", as an all time classic.
I mean folk are still wibbling about it fifteen months on: a bus. Most of the Govt, the overwhelming majority of the PPL, the Lib Dems, three sets of Nats, the TUC, the CBI, the IMF, the EU, and POTUS, lost - to a bus.
A Canadian perspective on Mrs May's trip to Canada and her attempt to drum up interest in a Brexit deal with TheRestOfTheWorld. Canada is happy to take the EU deal as a template and recast it to Canada's advantage because they know we're in a weak position. So we will have no deal or a worse deal with the EU and no deal or a worse deal with everyone else. Thus confirming what some of us knew all the long.
people who were so clever they were otwitted by a bus
We were outwitted because we were too optimistic, we underestimated the number of thick uneducated whiny bitch ass plebs out there.
We should have told those lazy twats 'If someone who can't speak English beats you to a job, then look in the mirror, stop blaming immigrants and learn a vocation.'
We won't make that mistake in the rejoining referendum.
Whilst i agree with youre sentiment if not your expression i remain amazed at the number of people who want a "hard brexit" when you point out the potential implications they don't give a damn. They believe it can all be sorted out afterwards when the EU has learned its lesson. No consideration of no border deal, not concerned that key jobs will remain unfilled and no concern that our planes can't fly. Apparently in 20 yeats time it will all be worth it!
A Canadian perspective on Mrs May's trip to Canada and her attempt to drum up interest in a Brexit deal with TheRestOfTheWorld. Canada is happy to take the EU deal as a template and recast it to Canada's advantage because they know we're in a weak position. So we will have no deal or a worse deal with the EU and no deal or a worse deal with everyone else. Thus confirming what some of us knew all the long.
people who were so clever they were otwitted by a bus
We were outwitted because we were too optimistic, we underestimated the number of thick uneducated whiny bitch ass plebs out there.
We should have told those lazy twats 'If someone who can't speak English beats you to a job, then look in the mirror, stop blaming immigrants and learn a vocation.'
We won't make that mistake in the rejoining referendum.
Better hope it's not a double decker you're up against next time then.
The "bus" has to be well up there with "Labour's not working", and "morning in America" and "things can only get better", as an all time classic.
I mean folk are still wibbling about it fifteen months on: a bus. Most of the Govt, the overwhelming majority of the PPL, the Lib Dems, three sets of Nats, the TUC, the CBI, the IMF, the EU, and POTUS, lost - to a bus.
Remain = tribal chief who can't get it up and can't accept the fact of his own failure, so someone must have cast a spell on his thingy.
Rejoining is anything but simple. Poll last week showed 62% want out with 27% remain. You are assuming it will all go wrong but there are plenty who see a brighter future away from Junckers and the rest.
In a year's time, once the exit terms are confirmed, you say to the country this is what we have agreed. Do we ask to remain or choose any one of the many "50 shades of leave" options we have put on the ballot paper. The one getting the most votes wins.
A Canadian perspective on Mrs May's trip to Canada and her attempt to drum up interest in a Brexit deal with TheRestOfTheWorld. Canada is happy to take the EU deal as a template and recast it to Canada's advantage because they know we're in a weak position. So we will have no deal or a worse deal with the EU and no deal or a worse deal with everyone else. Thus confirming what some of us knew all the long.
people who were so clever they were otwitted by a bus
We were outwitted because we were too optimistic, we underestimated the number of thick uneducated whiny bitch ass plebs out there.
We should have told those lazy twats 'If someone who can't speak English beats you to a job, then look in the mirror, stop blaming immigrants and learn a vocation.'
We won't make that mistake in the rejoining referendum.
If we rejoin, we'd have to join the Euro, not to mention being forced to drive on the right and to speak French.
A Canadian perspective on Mrs May's trip to Canada and her attempt to drum up interest in a Brexit deal with TheRestOfTheWorld. Canada is happy to take the EU deal as a template and recast it to Canada's advantage because they know we're in a weak position. So we will have no deal or a worse deal with the EU and no deal or a worse deal with everyone else. Thus confirming what some of us knew all the long.
people who were so clever they were otwitted by a bus
We were outwitted because we were too optimistic, we underestimated the number of thick uneducated whiny bitch ass plebs out there.
We should have told those lazy twats 'If someone who can't speak English beats you to a job, then look in the mirror, stop blaming immigrants and learn a vocation.'
We won't make that mistake in the rejoining referendum.
Better hope it's not a double decker you're up against next time then.
The "bus" has to be well up there with "Labour's not working", and "morning in America" and "things can only get better", as an all time classic.
I mean folk are still wibbling about it fifteen months on: a bus. Most of the Govt, the overwhelming majority of the PPL, the Lib Dems, three sets of Nats, the TUC, the CBI, the IMF, the EU, and POTUS, lost - to a bus.
Remain = tribal chief who can't get it up and can't accept the fact of his own failure, so someone must have cast a spell on his thingy.
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I'm not too fussed given my stakes, but it'd need something more (cancellation or confiscation of ballot boxes) to legitimise voiding the market.
Early signs of common sense
https://twitter.com/SiobhanFenton/status/910465416333492224
Democracy can be suspended as the politicians sort the mess out.
There is precedent.
Catalan national feeling has definitely grown since the reestablishment of the Generalidad (regional parliament) and the suppression of Spanish in local education, even for children whose parents are from other parts of Spain. At one point the Generalidad would buy the first 300 copies of almost any book written in Catalan, as the economic incentives to publish in that language were pretty weak compared with the c. 500 million Spanish speakers globally.
We are leaving the EU. Whether MPs like it or not doesn't change that. They might as well repeal the Indian Independence Act 1947.
Next.
http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2016/03/13/the-conservatives-have-been-the-biggest-borrowers-over-the-last-70-years/
EDIT: I see it only took 3 mins!
Your second sentence is highly misleading; there are no Catalans who don't speak, write and understand Spanish fluently, whereas nearly 50% of the population in Catalonia doesn't use Catalan at all. They only get away with this chauvinism because they make a net contribution to the Spanish exchequer.
It's fascinating that the region in Spain with the highest use of a regional language (Galicia) has by far the weakest separatist tradition. Franco called it home, and it usually votes for the PP.
PT nailed it in yesterday's Guardian:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/19/tories-chaos-labour-must-stand-ready-jeremy-corbyn
"Look how the Cameron and May administrations have diminished the basic decencies of civilised government. Their perverse response to the great squeeze has been an £18bn cut in income tax, mainly for the better off, and a £9bn cut in corporation tax."
https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/909880923579019264
At the risk of appearing insensitive to those suffering terribly in the Caribbean, it feels like we are in the lull before storm of news & speculation that will rage over the next two weeks with the party conferences and the Florence speech.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41271028
I suppose it makes sense. Britain will never vote for Brexit, so why plan for it?
Anyway it's history but live in hope that one day the myth that the Tories run the economy better than Labour will be widely undestood to be just that - a myth!
"Unless the government starts allocating resources to prepare for the parts of a clean exit in 2019 that it can control, no-one will seriously believe they're considering it. It makes a transition of some kind - on whatever terms it is offered - much more likely."
For a Euroenthusiast, that's a remarkably Anglocentric view!
if they all want to abolish their countries they can get on with it and best of luck etc
Take those results with a bucket of salt.
The economy doing so well added to the defeat as the country could afford to go for a change.
It is worth noting that the numbers people throw around for Norway's membership of the Single Market are inflated. Only about 40% of the total is for access to the single market, with the rest being Norway's fees - on a body-by-body basis - for membership of certain EU administered bodies such as Erasmus, the ESA and Gallileo.
* The NAFTA number is several billion dollars, almost all of which is spent inside the US. I can't imagine that CETA will be anything like as expensive.
Oh dear they have given up surely
https://www.ons.gov.uk/businessindustryandtrade/retailindustry/timeseries/j467/drsi
We buy now more than twice what we did during the Lawson Boom era of loadsamoney and red-braced yuppies.
get over it
the EU doesnt like Scots unless they live in Ireland
we have beautiful scenery, whiskey and Aslan
you have Nicola Sturgeon
game over
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dál_Riata
And remember that there is no current consensus on just how we should leave and what the goal of Brexit is. Leavers will find themselves with different priorities and red lines.
There is no doubt in my mind that the day after we leave we will start the process that will take us back in and that the case for rejoining will grow steadily over time. We will be back in.
You are assuming it will all go wrong but there are plenty who see a brighter future away from Junckers and the rest
I doubt, for example, that the UK would be as concerned as much for the well-being of French farmers.
WW3 is due to break our any day now assuming england doesnt fall in to the sea first
We should have told those lazy twats 'If someone who can't speak English beats you to a job, then look in the mirror, stop blaming immigrants and learn a vocation.'
We won't make that mistake in the rejoining referendum.
I hear you have a cunning plan.
Blackadder:
I do, I do. I want you to take the place of the Prince Regent and kill the Duke of Wellington in a duel.
Mad McAdder, Cousin of Edmund Blackadder, Esq:
Aye, and what's in it for me?
Blackadder:
Enough cash to buy the Outer Hebrides. What do you think?
Mad McAdder, Cousin of Edmund Blackadder, Esq:
Fourteen shillings and six-pence? Well, it's tempting.
well the good news is youre in with a chance
this time you dont have George to fk it all up
You are assuming it will all go wrong but there are plenty who see a brighter future away from Junckers and the rest
It all depends on how successful Brexit is. I wasn't convinced that Brexit was a good idea before the referendum and I am no more convinced now. If the economy suffers and living standards deteriorate then the next generation of politicians will lead us back in via a positive referendum vote.
I'm guessing the iniquities of private education won't be featuring much.
The "bus" has to be well up there with "Labour's not working", and "morning in America" and "things can only get better", as an all time classic.
I mean folk are still wibbling about it fifteen months on: a bus. Most of the Govt, the overwhelming majority of the PPL, the Lib Dems, three sets of Nats, the TUC, the CBI, the IMF, the EU, and POTUS, lost - to a bus.
Boris can you keep your mouth and flies zipped up for the next three hours.
You ruined date night last Friday, so you owe me.
http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/ryanair-pilots-at-almost-20-bases-across-europe-now-demand-permanent-contracts-under-local-laws-36152735.html
when he said he'd cancel UK flights he meant it, though taking out the rest of Europe too seems a bit extreme
Spookily enough, in Greek and Roman antiquity spells were most often cast by writing words and numbers on a metal object: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_tablet