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  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,885
    FF43 said:

    I went to an interesting talk last night by David Starkey on "Henry VIII - the first Brexiteer?" Entertaining and (as you might expect) well informed. He made a good case for the Catholic church of Henry's time and the EU of ours being very similar beasts. With Juncker as maybe a Borgia Pope.

    He was utterly damning of the quality of politicians and the political advisor class today versus those advising Henry VIII. He can't see how Brexit can be delivered. He's on tour I believe - well worth catching.

    The comparison between the late mediaeval Catholic church and the EU of today was one of SeanT's better metaphors. I don't however see any Martin Luthers or attempts at a coherent or practical Reformation philosophy
    The Catholic Church had been, by Henry VIII’s time, operating in it’s then current form for some 400 years. The EU has been operating for some 40.
    I know events seem to move faster nowadays, but really.......
  • nunuonenunuone Posts: 1,138
    Scott_P said:
    How can wages rise when employers have a choice of a whole continent of people?
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,158
    619 said:

    TOPPING said:



    I think that many people will actually react very negatively to Corbyn on this. He is pretending to be authentic, now he is just behaving like the politicians he claims to despise.



    I'm in Westminster today and tomorrow, if I see Corbyn, I'll make sure to call him a gentleman purely for his reaction.

    That I think is the key issue - he is playing the kind of games he set himself up to oppose.
    That only works if May comes across as authentic in her offer. Which she absolutely doesn't, she comes across as desperate.
    Hows President Hilary doing?
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,405
    This is interesting Republican against Republican on Trump's chances of survival. If Trump does eventually fall, it will be because Republicans turned against him.

    https://vimeo.com/225156752
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,439
    I think this "reaching out" to Corbyn will be Theresa's final mistake...

    She's done!
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,497
    Roger said:

    On thread....

    Well it made me laugh, but I can understand the sense of humour failure amongst some posters.

    Well try this one....The three brexiteers

    http://www.newstatesman.com/sites/default/files/styles/nodeimage/public/Longreads_2016/09/2016_36_brexiteers_for_feature.jpg?itok=fuh21W4U
    Thank you Roger. Naturally I didn't have you in mind.

    It's a nice pic, but personally I tend to think more in terms of the The Three Amigos, or, for those of Jack's generation, perhaps The Three Stooges.

    Sorry I can't do the images, but I am sure Google can help you.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,111

    UK...laughing stock....shambles....

    https://twitter.com/ONS/status/885053759910531074

    bloody immigrants
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300

    Mr. L, an individual cannot look at their own situation and from that reasonably extrapolate the employment statistics for a nation of 65 million people.

    Which do you think has most influence on people's votes? Their personal circumstances or tractor stats?
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,497
    GIN1138 said:

    I think this "reaching out" to Corbyn will be Theresa's final mistake...

    She's done!

    She has alternatives, and it's the same as those facing the steak I just bought for dinner tonite - rare, medium or well done.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,111
    619 said:

    TOPPING said:



    I think that many people will actually react very negatively to Corbyn on this. He is pretending to be authentic, now he is just behaving like the politicians he claims to despise.



    I'm in Westminster today and tomorrow, if I see Corbyn, I'll make sure to call him a gentleman purely for his reaction.

    That I think is the key issue - he is playing the kind of games he set himself up to oppose.
    That only works if May comes across as authentic in her offer. Which she absolutely doesn't, she comes across as desperate.
    That is partly true. Corbyn playing the kind of games he professes to dislike is a bad look whoever is facing him as PM.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,062
    Nigelb said:

    Corbyn believes he can get away with anything.

    He probably can.

    So glad I left.

    The "Jeremy doesn't endorse' line reminds me of how Trump dealt with white supremacists during the presidential election.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/11/jeremy-corbyn-pictured-enjoying-pizza-controversial-pro-assad/
    Meeting with terrorists is useless in attacking Corbyn. People are wise enough to know that spotting terrorists is a game for any number of players.

    (Mark Regev is Israeli ambassador in London for heavens sake! )
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,497
    FF43 said:

    This is interesting Republican against Republican on Trump's chances of survival. If Trump does eventually fall, it will be because Republicans turned against him.

    https://vimeo.com/225156752

    Nate Silver keeps a running score of Trump's approval rating. Below 40% is generally regarded as dangerously low for any President. He is currently at 39.2% so he's probably just about ok for the time being but he certainly couldn't afford to go much lower.

    As you indicate, it's his own Party and the Republican base that will do for him. The Dems are pretty powerless in this respect, and rather like Labour in the UK, they're probably quite happy watching the governing Party flounder for the time being.
  • ParistondaParistonda Posts: 1,843

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Scott_P said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    BBC - Trump 'didn't know about son's Russia meeting'. I think the game plan is now clear. Jr. is the fall guy, Sr pardons him as final act in 3 years time.

    That relies on Donald Sr not falling in the next 3 weeks years
    "as when Ford pardoned Nixon, the pardoned person need not yet have been convicted or even formally charged with a crime." wikip.
    That's one hell of a Get Out Of Jail card to hold....
    Are there any limitations to pardoning? A president could pardon a serial killer and they would just be let out with their record clean? Hard to see why this presidential pardon should exist at all
  • Must be all those evil zero hour contracts. Oh, hang on, you mean that having a flexible labour market actually increases employment?



    A new record employment rate again - tantalisingly close to 75%. And the lowest unemployment rate since 1975.

    Must be all those immigrants taking the jobs.

    Also, I suspect that the use of tax credits to prop up employment that would otherwise be unviable contributes significantly to both our high employment figures and our low productivity figures. I'm not saying that this is necessarily a bad thing, just that it makes direct comparisons with other countries difficult.
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    edited July 2017
    FF43 said:

    This is interesting Republican against Republican on Trump's chances of survival. If Trump does eventually fall, it will be because Republicans turned against him.

    https://vimeo.com/225156752

    Trump is not a Republican. That's the key point. He is a former Democrat and on many issues is probably closer to Hillary Clinton than to the wilder GOPpers. His support from both houses is pragmatic and will (imo -- dyor) evaporate as soon as he is seen as a net negative. The end might not come at all but if it does, it will be swift.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-impact-recession-eu-referendum-credit-suisse-employment-job-hiring-a7136541.html

    "Britain’s vote to leave the EU will plunge the country into a shallow recession in the second half of 2016, which could see the unemployment rate rise to 6.5 per cent, the equivalent of around 500,000 jobs.

    In a gloomy analyst note titled “Mayday! Mayday!”, Credit Suisse cut its GDP forecast to 1 per cent down from 1.8 in 2016. It also said the unemployment rate could rise from 5 per cent to 6.5 per cent.

    “On the back of our forecast for GDP growth falling to 1.0 per cent in 2016 and -1.0 per cent in 2017, we can expect the unemployment rate to jump up to 6.5 per cent by the end of 2017,” Credit Suisse analysts said"

    Thursday 14 July 2016 11:54 BST

  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,111

    FF43 said:

    This is interesting Republican against Republican on Trump's chances of survival. If Trump does eventually fall, it will be because Republicans turned against him.

    https://vimeo.com/225156752

    Nate Silver keeps a running score of Trump's approval rating. Below 40% is generally regarded as dangerously low for any President. He is currently at 39.2% so he's probably just about ok for the time being but he certainly couldn't afford to go much lower.

    As you indicate, it's his own Party and the Republican base that will do for him. The Dems are pretty powerless in this respect, and rather like Labour in the UK, they're probably quite happy watching the governing Party flounder for the time being.
    Talking of Nates, I wonder how long ago the McGregor-Mayweather fight was agreed. My hope is that it was a done deal months and months ago and the chat since then has been fantastic PR/choreography.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,497
    TOPPING said:

    FF43 said:

    This is interesting Republican against Republican on Trump's chances of survival. If Trump does eventually fall, it will be because Republicans turned against him.

    https://vimeo.com/225156752

    Nate Silver keeps a running score of Trump's approval rating. Below 40% is generally regarded as dangerously low for any President. He is currently at 39.2% so he's probably just about ok for the time being but he certainly couldn't afford to go much lower.

    As you indicate, it's his own Party and the Republican base that will do for him. The Dems are pretty powerless in this respect, and rather like Labour in the UK, they're probably quite happy watching the governing Party flounder for the time being.
    Talking of Nates, I wonder how long ago the McGregor-Mayweather fight was agreed. My hope is that it was a done deal months and months ago and the chat since then has been fantastic PR/choreography.
    Can't help you Topping. Been trying to pretend to myself it will never happen, but suspect it will.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    The Supreme Court has put same sex pension rights on the same footing as opposite sex pension rights, striking down the relevant exemption in the Equality Act by reference to EU law.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,520
    Thanks for posting this.
    Adds to holiday reading list for next week, when in the middle of nowhere without internet.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,229
    Interesting snippets:

    The nine largest overturned majorities were in Scotland and all SNP losses
    (2015 Majority):
    Banff & Buchan Coatbridge: 14,339
    Ayr, 11,501
    Carrick and Cumnock 11,265
    Angus 11,230
    Stirling 10,480
    Ochil & South Perthshire 10,168
    Rutherglen & Hamilton W 9,975
    Kirkcaldy & Cowdenbeath 9,974
    Midlothian 9,859
    Canterbury 9,798
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Tamim Iqbal fake news?

    "“Some media reported that we were the target of attempted hate crime. This is really not true,” the Bangladesh vice-captain posted on his Facebook page.

    “England is one my of favourite places to play cricket and Essex have been entirely gracious even though I had to leave early.”"

    https://twitter.com/faithmattersuk/status/885066261964652544
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,229
    11 seats had a margin of victory of less than 100 votes (2017 Majority)

    North East Fife: 2 (SNP Hold)
    Kensington: 20 (Lab gain from Con)
    Perth & North Perthshire : 21 (SNP Hold)
    Dudley North : 22 (Lab Hold)
    Newcastle-under-Lyme: 30 (Lab Hold)
    Southampton Itchen: 31 (Con Hold)
    Richmond Park: 45 (Con hold)
    Crewe & Nantwich : 48 (Lab gain from Con)
    Glasgow South West : 60 (SNP Hold)
    Glasgow East: 75 (SNP Hold)
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,766
    nunuone said:

    Scott_P said:
    How can wages rise when employers have a choice of a whole continent of people?

    According to the latest stats there is now a net outflow of EU citizens from the UK.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,142

    nunuone said:

    Scott_P said:
    How can wages rise when employers have a choice of a whole continent of people?

    According to the latest stats there is now a net outflow of EU citizens from the UK.
    These are ONS figures, or some other metric? I thought the ONS figures had huge error bars given the way the data were collected.
  • not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,449
    edited July 2017

    FF43 said:

    This is interesting Republican against Republican on Trump's chances of survival. If Trump does eventually fall, it will be because Republicans turned against him.

    https://vimeo.com/225156752

    Trump is not a Republican. That's the key point. He is a former Democrat and on many issues is probably closer to Hillary Clinton than to the wilder GOPpers. His support from both houses is pragmatic and will (imo -- dyor) evaporate as soon as he is seen as a net negative. The end might not come at all but if it does, it will be swift.
    Indeed, especially with a rock solid Republican in the form of Pence waiting in the wings. If they get rid of Trump just after Jan 2019 then Pence could potentially serve for 10 years
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,849
    TGOHF said:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-impact-recession-eu-referendum-credit-suisse-employment-job-hiring-a7136541.html

    "Britain’s vote to leave the EU will plunge the country into a shallow recession in the second half of 2016, which could see the unemployment rate rise to 6.5 per cent, the equivalent of around 500,000 jobs.

    In a gloomy analyst note titled “Mayday! Mayday!”, Credit Suisse cut its GDP forecast to 1 per cent down from 1.8 in 2016. It also said the unemployment rate could rise from 5 per cent to 6.5 per cent.

    “On the back of our forecast for GDP growth falling to 1.0 per cent in 2016 and -1.0 per cent in 2017, we can expect the unemployment rate to jump up to 6.5 per cent by the end of 2017,” Credit Suisse analysts said"

    Thursday 14 July 2016 11:54 BST

    People will subsist on and heat their homes with CONTROL.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Council leader probably hasn't filled in a pothole, driven a bin lorry or taught in a school.

    What a nonsense.

    Speaking of nonsense

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/11/friends-seumas-milne-insist-not-willing-participant-kiss-blonde/

    “I know the pictures tell a different story,” said a source close to the events, “But I know there is nothing going on. I don’t think it’s a quick snog. There may have been a bit of nuzzling on her part but if you look at Seumas’s face, you can see he is not a willing participant.”
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,849
    nunuone said:

    Scott_P said:
    How can wages rise when employers have a choice of a whole continent of people?
    They are growing in Germany at 2% pa real terms for the past three years.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    TGOHF said:

    “I know the pictures tell a different story,” said a source close to the events, “But I know there is nothing going on. I don’t think it’s a quick snog. There may have been a bit of nuzzling on her part but if you look at Seumas’s face, you can see he is not a willing participant.”

    "Yes, he was doing it, but he wasn't digging it..."
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited July 2017
    nunuone said:

    Scott_P said:
    How can wages rise when employers have a choice of a whole continent of people?
    Who they pay £2 ph

    https://twitter.com/bbcnews/status/884792926248865792
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,062
    edited July 2017

    UK...laughing stock....shambles....

    https://twitter.com/ONS/status/885053759910531074

    Perhaps like David Frost wrote in his book 'To England with Love' the English are natural pessimists and don't like things to go well. In which other country he wrote would 'Pleasure Seeker' be an insult?

    He said Harold Macmillan's biggest mistake was to say 'You've Never Had it so Good'. When people realised it was true they took fright and voted in a Labour government.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,766

    11 seats had a margin of victory of less than 100 votes (2017 Majority)

    North East Fife: 2 (SNP Hold)
    Kensington: 20 (Lab gain from Con)
    Perth & North Perthshire : 21 (SNP Hold)
    Dudley North : 22 (Lab Hold)
    Newcastle-under-Lyme: 30 (Lab Hold)
    Southampton Itchen: 31 (Con Hold)
    Richmond Park: 45 (Con hold)
    Crewe & Nantwich : 48 (Lab gain from Con)
    Glasgow South West : 60 (SNP Hold)
    Glasgow East: 75 (SNP Hold)

    Labour has every opportunity to be the biggest party in Scotland again after the next election. This is fascinating:

    http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2017/07/snp-mps-fear-another-snap-election-it-was-one-way-traffic-labour



  • RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223
    Scott_P said:
    I wonder how often Sophy Ridge has been inside a tower block for anything other than professional reasons?

    Pathetic.
  • RecidivistRecidivist Posts: 4,679
    Sandpit said:

    Mr. Jonathan, could argue whether the sacking or the manner of it was the mistake (or the worse mistake, if you believe both to be wrong).

    Osborne was fully aware that he had to leave the cabinet given the role he played in the referendum, he knew he had to take one for the good of the party.

    If May had any class she would have allowed him to resign.
    May fired Osborne and Gove on her first day, the subsequent behaviour of both men says a lot about them as people - which is why one of them is now back in the Cabinet, and the other isn't.
    You mean one has options, the other's only talent is sycophancy?
  • BannedInParisBannedInParis Posts: 2,191
    Roger said:

    UK...laughing stock....shambles....

    https://twitter.com/ONS/status/885053759910531074

    Perhaps like David Frost wrote in his book 'To England with Love' the English are natural pessimists and don't like things to go well. In which other country he wrote would 'Pleasure Seeker' be an insult?

    He said Harold Macmillan's biggest mistake was to say 'You've Never Had it so Good'. When people realised it was true they took fright and voted in a Labour government.
    "You've never had it so good" - 20th July 1957
    1959 General Election - Macmillan wins 365 seats

    next.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,849
    edited July 2017
    A few hundred less votes in Hastings and Amber Rudd could have joined the 'angry mob' :smile:
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,074
    Mr. Glenn, understandable.

    Mr. L, sorry for slow reply (actually did a spot of work :p).

    I'd like to believe people can judge matters based not only on their own individual experience, but those of people they know as well as the wider picture. Considering oneself to be the sun around which all the Earth revolves is not a healthy psychological perspective.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,849

    Roger said:

    UK...laughing stock....shambles....

    https://twitter.com/ONS/status/885053759910531074

    Perhaps like David Frost wrote in his book 'To England with Love' the English are natural pessimists and don't like things to go well. In which other country he wrote would 'Pleasure Seeker' be an insult?

    He said Harold Macmillan's biggest mistake was to say 'You've Never Had it so Good'. When people realised it was true they took fright and voted in a Labour government.
    "You've never had it so good" - 20th July 1957
    1959 General Election - Macmillan wins 365 seats

    next.
    Haha! that's the problem with history - it doens't always happen in the right order!
  • BannedInParisBannedInParis Posts: 2,191

    UK...laughing stock....shambles....

    https://twitter.com/ONS/status/885053759910531074

    why on earth they didn't hammer that side of things in the election ...

    sigh

    anyway, May asking for help from the other parties? absolute face palm and asking for this sort of stunt.
    Partly because without the small print, it looks like they are saying there is 25 per cent unemployment but mainly because who are they fooling? If you are on a sweet £87,500 gig as the PM's deputy spokesperson or if you are on a fake self-employment zero hours contract as a delivery driver, you know. Voters can tell if they are better or worse off.
    "yeah, but what about ... " is a remarkably weak riposte.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,766
    edited July 2017
    Roger said:

    UK...laughing stock....shambles....

    https://twitter.com/ONS/status/885053759910531074

    Perhaps like David Frost wrote in his book 'To England with Love' the English are natural pessimists and don't like things to go well. In which other country he wrote would 'Pleasure Seeker' be an insult?

    He said Harold Macmillan's biggest mistake was to say 'You've Never Had it so Good'. When people realised it was true they took fright and voted in a Labour government.

    The Spanish word for business is negocios. Coincidentally (or not), that is a contraction of negar ocios, which means to deny pleasures.

  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,074
    F1: Vasseur is Sauber's new team principal. Monisha Kaltenborn, the first female team principal* in the sport, left suddenly and unexpectedly a few weeks ago. Vasseur was previously Renault's team principal.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula-one/40580556

    *Claire Williams is deputy team principal of the Williams team, but effective team principal on a day-to-day basis.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,849
    RoyalBlue said:

    Scott_P said:
    I wonder how often Sophy Ridge has been inside a tower block for anything other than professional reasons?

    Pathetic.
    Is this some new test of worthiness? Whether one has been in a tower block or not? I never have and hope never to. I assume they are squalid rookeries of glue sniffing leavers.
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300

    UK...laughing stock....shambles....

    https://twitter.com/ONS/status/885053759910531074

    why on earth they didn't hammer that side of things in the election ...

    sigh

    anyway, May asking for help from the other parties? absolute face palm and asking for this sort of stunt.
    Partly because without the small print, it looks like they are saying there is 25 per cent unemployment but mainly because who are they fooling? If you are on a sweet £87,500 gig as the PM's deputy spokesperson or if you are on a fake self-employment zero hours contract as a delivery driver, you know. Voters can tell if they are better or worse off.
    "yeah, but what about ... " is a remarkably weak riposte.
    Who said that? I was answering the question why CCHQ did not campaign on the tractor stats.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,919
    Dura_Ace said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    Scott_P said:
    I wonder how often Sophy Ridge has been inside a tower block for anything other than professional reasons?

    Pathetic.
    Is this some new test of worthiness? Whether one has been in a tower block or not? I never have and hope never to. I assume they are squalid rookeries of glue sniffing leavers.
    I've lived in two tower blocks. In the first yer of Uni I was near the top of a uni residential block in South Woodford (floor 9 from memory), and a few years later I stayed in a room in Skenfrith House off the Old Kent Road.

    The latter was possibly an indication of the problem. the owners had recently renovated the flat and it was very nice internally; however you stepped outside into a lift that frequently stank of worriesome bodiy fluids, and the communal area at the bottom was also often unpleasant.

    It doesn't matter how much you spend on your flat if one or two families, or even individuals, make the communal areas unpleasant.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,787
    currystar said:

    OchEye said:

    currystar said:

    On topic, it's looking as though May will hang on - we're now just one week to recess, and I can't see an insurrection happening during the summer break. The last danger point is probably when people gather for the Tory conference, but I can't see rebels wanting to wreck that. Otherwise, the Tories look set to try to hang on to the end of Brexit.

    That does cast a sidelight on the other point in thethread. Will May want an extension past the next election.

    Labour's objective, meanwhile, is not necessarily to seize responsibility for Brexit and the oncoming ecenomic mess, although we'll obviously take an opportunity if it arises. It's to be a strong and stable government in waiting if things fall apart, so the priority is to be confident without being shrill.

    There is nothing strong or stable about what Corbyn's Labour has to offer.

    What we'll get is economic vandalism.

    The Brexiteers are intent on delivering that anyway. This is the Tory problem. Their reputation for economic competence has been shot to pieces.

    Record employment? Very low unemployment? I wonder how many other European Countries would like a Government with such economic incompetence.
    Low pay, Zero Hour Contracts, Self Employment cons, no pay rises for the past 10 years or only 1% (please don't try the seniority crap, firms are not increasing tech spending to increase productivity when workers are so cheap) - Austerity is a political choice, not one that is economically sensible.
    What utter nosense, drive round this Country and look at all the money that is being spent. Then look at Italy, Greece etc. To claim that this Country is going through austerity is complete dribble. Go to any Town Centre on a weekend and look at the number of young people paying £5 per pint. We currently have 6 vacancies for electricans paying £17 per hour and we cannot fill them. We are currently turning away work as we are just too busy. The contrast to 2008/2009 is incredible. The country is booming despite all the nonsense that is written on here.
    What is the current market rate for an electrican - is it possibly that its more than £17 an hour...
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    edited July 2017
    Dura_Ace said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    Scott_P said:
    I wonder how often Sophy Ridge has been inside a tower block for anything other than professional reasons?

    Pathetic.
    Is this some new test of worthiness? Whether one has been in a tower block or not? I never have and hope never to. I assume they are squalid rookeries of glue sniffing leavers.
    Yes and no. You'd have thought the council leader might have knocked on the odd door while canvassing (which she now has) or at least popped in for a look round out of professional curiosity. It's not like they are asking if the civil defence committee chair has captained a nuclear submarine.
  • HenryGMansonHenryGManson Posts: 149
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  • Dura_Ace said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    Scott_P said:
    I wonder how often Sophy Ridge has been inside a tower block for anything other than professional reasons?

    Pathetic.
    Is this some new test of worthiness? Whether one has been in a tower block or not? I never have and hope never to. I assume they are squalid rookeries of glue sniffing leavers.
    I've lived in two tower blocks. In the first yer of Uni I was near the top of a uni residential block in South Woodford (floor 9 from memory), and a few years later I stayed in a room in Skenfrith House off the Old Kent Road.

    The latter was possibly an indication of the problem. the owners had recently renovated the flat and it was very nice internally; however you stepped outside into a lift that frequently stank of worriesome bodiy fluids, and the communal area at the bottom was also often unpleasant.

    It doesn't matter how much you spend on your flat if one or two families, or even individuals, make the communal areas unpleasant.
    I sometimes wonder why UK blocks don't have a "Hausmeister" as in Germany. He (and it usually is a he) is typically resident in the block and ensures that it is kept clean and orderly. It makes for a much pleasanter environment in such buildings.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,919

    Dura_Ace said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    Scott_P said:
    I wonder how often Sophy Ridge has been inside a tower block for anything other than professional reasons?

    Pathetic.
    Is this some new test of worthiness? Whether one has been in a tower block or not? I never have and hope never to. I assume they are squalid rookeries of glue sniffing leavers.
    Yes and no. You'd have thought the council leader might have knocked on the odd door while canvassing (which she now has) or at least popped in for a look round out of professional curiosity. It's not like they are asking if the civil defence committee chair has captained a nuclear submarine.
    I remember when Labour folks on here defended a Labour MP, Sir Stuart Bell, who had not even held a surgery for 14 years ...
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,849
    currystar said:

    OchEye said:

    currystar said:

    On topic, it's looking as though May will hang on - we're now just one week to recess, and I can't see an insurrection happening during the summer break. The last danger point is probably when people gather for the Tory conference, but I can't see rebels wanting to wreck that. Otherwise, the Tories look set to try to hang on to the end of Brexit.

    That does cast a sidelight on the other point in thethread. Will May want an extension past the next election.

    Labour's objective, meanwhile, is not necessarily to seize responsibility for Brexit and the oncoming ecenomic mess, although we'll obviously take an opportunity if it arises. It's to be a strong and stable government in waiting if things fall apart, so the priority is to be confident without being shrill.

    There is nothing strong or stable about what Corbyn's Labour has to offer.

    What we'll get is economic vandalism.

    The Brexiteers are intent on delivering that anyway. This is the Tory problem. Their reputation for economic competence has been shot to pieces.

    Record employment? Very low unemployment? I wonder how many other European Countries would like a Government with such economic incompetence.
    Low pay, Zero Hour Contracts, Self Employment cons, no pay rises for the past 10 years or only 1% (please don't try the seniority crap, firms are not increasing tech spending to increase productivity when workers are so cheap) - Austerity is a political choice, not one that is economically sensible.
    What utter nosense, drive round this Country and look at all the money that is being spent. Then look at Italy, Greece etc. To claim that this Country is going through austerity is complete dribble. Go to any Town Centre on a weekend and look at the number of young people paying £5 per pint. We currently have 6 vacancies for electricans paying £17 per hour and we cannot fill them. We are currently turning away work as we are just too busy. The contrast to 2008/2009 is incredible. The country is booming despite all the nonsense that is written on here.
    If the country was booming May would have won a landslide. You need to get out more pal. (Oh, and up the rates for your electricians maybe - after all the market never lies ;-))
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,919

    Dura_Ace said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    Scott_P said:
    I wonder how often Sophy Ridge has been inside a tower block for anything other than professional reasons?

    Pathetic.
    Is this some new test of worthiness? Whether one has been in a tower block or not? I never have and hope never to. I assume they are squalid rookeries of glue sniffing leavers.
    I've lived in two tower blocks. In the first yer of Uni I was near the top of a uni residential block in South Woodford (floor 9 from memory), and a few years later I stayed in a room in Skenfrith House off the Old Kent Road.

    The latter was possibly an indication of the problem. the owners had recently renovated the flat and it was very nice internally; however you stepped outside into a lift that frequently stank of worriesome bodiy fluids, and the communal area at the bottom was also often unpleasant.

    It doesn't matter how much you spend on your flat if one or two families, or even individuals, make the communal areas unpleasant.
    I sometimes wonder why UK blocks don't have a "Hausmeister" as in Germany. He (and it usually is a he) is typically resident in the block and ensures that it is kept clean and orderly. It makes for a much pleasanter environment in such buildings.
    It would seem a logical idea. I assume that ground rent and service charges would have to increase, and if the tenants are getting housing benefit, that increase would ultimately come from council budgets.
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    RoyalBlue said:

    Scott_P said:
    I wonder how often Sophy Ridge has been inside a tower block for anything other than professional reasons?

    Pathetic.
    And to be banged rotten by anonymous truck drivers she picks up on dating apps*

    *Not true
  • calumcalum Posts: 3,046
    Put's a bit of trolling on Twitter into perspective !
    https://twitter.com/johnfinucane/status/884664637937135616
  • Roger said:

    UK...laughing stock....shambles....

    https://twitter.com/ONS/status/885053759910531074

    Perhaps like David Frost wrote in his book 'To England with Love' the English are natural pessimists and don't like things to go well. In which other country he wrote would 'Pleasure Seeker' be an insult?

    He said Harold Macmillan's biggest mistake was to say 'You've Never Had it so Good'. When people realised it was true they took fright and voted in a Labour government.

    The Spanish word for business is negocios. Coincidentally (or not), that is a contraction of negar ocios, which means to deny pleasures.

    Not a coincidence! It's from Latin neg- (not) and otium (leisure), and is obviously related to the English word negotiate.
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    Dura_Ace said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    Scott_P said:
    I wonder how often Sophy Ridge has been inside a tower block for anything other than professional reasons?

    Pathetic.
    Is this some new test of worthiness? Whether one has been in a tower block or not? I never have and hope never to. I assume they are squalid rookeries of glue sniffing leavers.
    I've lived in two tower blocks. In the first yer of Uni I was near the top of a uni residential block in South Woodford (floor 9 from memory), and a few years later I stayed in a room in Skenfrith House off the Old Kent Road.

    The latter was possibly an indication of the problem. the owners had recently renovated the flat and it was very nice internally; however you stepped outside into a lift that frequently stank of worriesome bodiy fluids, and the communal area at the bottom was also often unpleasant.

    It doesn't matter how much you spend on your flat if one or two families, or even individuals, make the communal areas unpleasant.
    I sometimes wonder why UK blocks don't have a "Hausmeister" as in Germany. He (and it usually is a he) is typically resident in the block and ensures that it is kept clean and orderly. It makes for a much pleasanter environment in such buildings.
    Before that they were called a Blockwart and had other less pleasant duties.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockleiter
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,158

    A few hundred less votes in Hastings and Amber Rudd could have joined the 'angry mob' :smile:
    Fewer*
  • GeoffM said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    Scott_P said:
    I wonder how often Sophy Ridge has been inside a tower block for anything other than professional reasons?

    Pathetic.
    Is this some new test of worthiness? Whether one has been in a tower block or not? I never have and hope never to. I assume they are squalid rookeries of glue sniffing leavers.
    I've lived in two tower blocks. In the first yer of Uni I was near the top of a uni residential block in South Woodford (floor 9 from memory), and a few years later I stayed in a room in Skenfrith House off the Old Kent Road.

    The latter was possibly an indication of the problem. the owners had recently renovated the flat and it was very nice internally; however you stepped outside into a lift that frequently stank of worriesome bodiy fluids, and the communal area at the bottom was also often unpleasant.

    It doesn't matter how much you spend on your flat if one or two families, or even individuals, make the communal areas unpleasant.
    I sometimes wonder why UK blocks don't have a "Hausmeister" as in Germany. He (and it usually is a he) is typically resident in the block and ensures that it is kept clean and orderly. It makes for a much pleasanter environment in such buildings.
    Before that they were called a Blockwart and had other less pleasant duties.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockleiter
    No, that's something different.
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300

    Dura_Ace said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    Scott_P said:
    I wonder how often Sophy Ridge has been inside a tower block for anything other than professional reasons?

    Pathetic.
    Is this some new test of worthiness? Whether one has been in a tower block or not? I never have and hope never to. I assume they are squalid rookeries of glue sniffing leavers.
    Yes and no. You'd have thought the council leader might have knocked on the odd door while canvassing (which she now has) or at least popped in for a look round out of professional curiosity. It's not like they are asking if the civil defence committee chair has captained a nuclear submarine.
    I remember when Labour folks on here defended a Labour MP, Sir Stuart Bell, who had not even held a surgery for 14 years ...
    I'll take your word for it. I can certainly remember seeing photo-ops of EdSecs reading stories to infants, and Jeremy Hunt in surgical gloves. It is not a party political point: it just seems odd that any council leader would not have toured the borough.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,074
    edited July 2017
    Mr. Manson, cheers for that tip, looks good. And for the Querrey[sp] winner the other day.

    Mr. Ace, I think I've only been in a tower block to visit my granddad when I was a child. He was a war veteran, and a kind man.

    I realise you're just trolling, but it's entirely possible to make civilised arguments on either side of a debate without being tiresome.

    Edited extra bit: also, the tip's a little longer on Betfair (2.54).
  • calumcalum Posts: 3,046
    With Scotland's GDP up 0.8% in Q1 & unemployment down 19k to 3.8%, SCON might want to revisit their pinned Tweet !!

    https://twitter.com/ScotTories/status/882549463453126656
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,074
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    edited July 2017

    Meanwhile, in meddlesome priest news:
    twitter.com/CatholicHerald/status/885069028116635652

    Shock news: Ulster (former) protestant agrees with Pope.... much to her own surprise.

  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    Scott_P said:
    This all seems a bit childish -- on both sides. When do the grown-ups get to negotiate?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,345
    edited July 2017
    He's a vicar not a priest.

    His title is 'Vicar of Christ'

    Your grasp of history is appalling.
  • stevefstevef Posts: 1,044
    "Confident and assured"
    A bit like Theresa May before the general election.
    Corbyn must be the first politician in history to suffer from hubris after losing an election.
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    Scott_P said:
    It is true though. Fantasy and postures are not policies - a lesson Boris, Davies, Fox, et al need to learn and very quickly.
  • TypoTypo Posts: 195
    The level of discourse in this country is appalling. It would be laughable if it wasn't so serious. The 'issue regarding the K&C leader's visits (or lack thereof) to tower blocks is a perfect example. It is her ability to do the job which matters.


  • MattWMattW Posts: 24,342
    edited July 2017

    MattW said:

    Not particuarly convinced that a manifesto promising unicorns to all and sundry paid for out of the Leprechaun's pot of gold is useful as a source suggestions, but if all those voters fell for it, perhaps they will fall for the stunt too.

    You are confusing Labour's costed manifesto with the Conservatives' number-free wishlist that was presumably intended to hide the tax rises the Chancellor can't now make anyway.
    Nope. I accurately characterised both, and I even gave you a non-partisan link as evidence.
  • volcanopetevolcanopete Posts: 2,078
    I see Emily Thornberry is subbing for JC at PMQs today.Anyone who took the 28-1-currently into 16-1-in the next Labour leader contest will be interested in what sort of form she's in as to whether they arb out and take a profit-no sin in my eyes-but for those in for the long-term it is encouraging Mr Corbyn sees her as a no 2.Anyone looking for an "if JC falls under a bus"candidate, perhaps whilst riding his bike,she is also available at 50-1 at Corals in the next PM betting.
    Those on Damian Green,as advised by this site,is currently best-priced at 28-1 with WH for next PM, and best -priced at Betway at 25-1 for next Con leader- which still looks good value to me-will be looking at his performance in the blue camp,bearing in mind the abject paucity of apparent leadership qualities in the Tory party,a choice of evils if ever there was one.25-1 is too big.
  • CornishJohnCornishJohn Posts: 304

    He's a vicar not a priest.

    His title is 'Vicar of Christ'

    Your grasp of history is appalling.
    He's a Bishop. His title is Bishop of Rome.
  • currystarcurrystar Posts: 1,171
    eek said:

    currystar said:

    OchEye said:

    currystar said:

    On topic, it's looking as though May will hang on - we're now just one week to recess, and I can't see an insurrection happening during the summer break. The last danger point is probably when people gather for the Tory conference, but I can't see rebels wanting to wreck that. Otherwise, the Tories look set to try to hang on to the end of Brexit.

    That does cast a sidelight on the other point in thethread. Will May want an extension past the next election.

    Labour's objective, meanwhile, is not necessarily to seize responsibility for Brexit and the oncoming ecenomic mess, although we'll obviously take an opportunity if it arises. It's to be a strong and stable government in waiting if things fall apart, so the priority is to be confident without being shrill.

    There is nothing strong or stable about what Corbyn's Labour has to offer.

    What we'll get is economic vandalism.

    The Brexiteers are intent on delivering that anyway. This is the Tory problem. Their reputation for economic competence has been shot to pieces.

    Record employment? Very low unemployment? I wonder how many other European Countries would like a Government with such economic incompetence.
    Low pay, Zero Hour Contracts, Self Employment cons, no pay rises for the past 10 years or only 1% (please don't try the seniority crap, firms are not increasing tech spending to increase productivity when workers are so cheap) - Austerity is a political choice, not one that is economically sensible.
    What utter nosense, drive round this Country and look at all the money that is being spent. Then look at Italy, Greece etc. To claim that this Country is going through austerity is complete dribble. Go to any Town Centre on a weekend and look at the number of young people paying £5 per pint. We currently have 6 vacancies for electricans paying £17 per hour and we cannot fill them. We are currently turning away work as we are just too busy. The contrast to 2008/2009 is incredible. The country is booming despite all the nonsense that is written on here.
    What is the current market rate for an electrican - is it possibly that its more than £17 an hour...
    Its probably slightly higher, an Electrician now for a standard week is earning around £45,000 per year without overtime or any private jobs on a weekend. This reflects just how incredibly buoyant the economy is and its why the nonsense wriiten on here about the Tories economic incompetence grates so much. Does anyone really think if JC got into power and implemented his crazy policies that unemployment would fall and wages will rise?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @e_casalicchio: Senior EU source tells me on Boris Johnson: "Once again Boris has poisoned the Brexit well & undermined UK attempts to build common ground."
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,853
    Scott_P said:

    @e_casalicchio: Senior EU source tells me on Boris Johnson: "Once again Boris has poisoned the Brexit well & undermined UK attempts to build common ground."

    A few months ago it seemed obvious that May would fire Boris at an opportune moment. Now she couldn't risk it - yet another way in which the election has screwed up her Brexit strategy.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    The pope is Bishop of Rome, Vicar of Jesus Christ, Successor of the Prince of the Apostles, Supreme Pontiff of the Universal Church, Primate of Italy, Archbishop and Metropolitan of the Roman Province, Sovereign of the State of Vatican City, Servant of the Servants of God.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,158
    Scott_P said:

    @e_casalicchio: Senior EU source tells me on Boris Johnson: "Once again Boris has poisoned the Brexit well & undermined UK attempts to build common ground."

    I'm not sure you can poison a well when it is already swimming in muck, grime, and demands for £100bn
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @JenniferMerode: Barnier on Brexit money: it's not a ransom, it's not an exit bill, it's not revenge. It is simply settling accounts.

    @bbclaurak: Barnier says payment of Brexit bill is matter of confidence and trust

    @faisalislam: Barnier on Brexit finances: "how do you build a relationship based on trade, security -to last with a country where you don't have trust?"
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,345

    He's a vicar not a priest.

    His title is 'Vicar of Christ'

    Your grasp of history is appalling.
    He's a Bishop. His title is Bishop of Rome.
    He's both, but Vicar of Christ is the elder of the titles.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicar_of_Christ
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,074
    Mr. Eagles, I am unsurprised you failed to recognise the historical reference I was making :)

    Mr. P, Faisal Islam could well ask that question the other way around. If the EU does actually believe liabilities must be shared and all the assets belong to the EU, how is that a position upon which trust can exist?
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    Mortimer said:

    Scott_P said:

    @e_casalicchio: Senior EU source tells me on Boris Johnson: "Once again Boris has poisoned the Brexit well & undermined UK attempts to build common ground."

    I'm not sure you can poison a well when it is already swimming in muck, grime, and demands for £100bn
    Correct if I am wrong - but the £100bn is a figure everyone talks about, not a figure that the EU has formally requested in a negotiating session or document?

    In other words, it is froth and rumour at this point, surely?
  • eekeek Posts: 28,787
    edited July 2017
    currystar said:

    Its probably slightly higher, an Electrician now for a standard week is earning around £45,000 per year without overtime or any private jobs on a weekend. This reflects just how incredibly buoyant the economy is and its why the nonsense wriiten on here about the Tories economic incompetence grates so much. Does anyone really think if JC got into power and implemented his crazy policies that unemployment would fall and wages will rise?

    I'm starting to believe we have a very 2 tier economy - a lot of people on minimum wage up to £16k a year, the rest on £40k plus a year and nothing in between...
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,111
    Ishmael_Z said:

    The pope is Bishop of Rome, Vicar of Jesus Christ, Successor of the Prince of the Apostles, Supreme Pontiff of the Universal Church, Primate of Italy, Archbishop and Metropolitan of the Roman Province, Sovereign of the State of Vatican City, Servant of the Servants of God.

    very naughty boy?

    (some of them for sure were)
  • CornishJohnCornishJohn Posts: 304

    Scott_P said:
    It is true though. Fantasy and postures are not policies - a lesson Boris, Davies, Fox, et al need to learn and very quickly.
    As Katya Adler notes in her last article, "the Europeans want a deal with the UK" and "need a deal". Both sides mention they won't do one at any price, but there is a deal to be had. It also mentions it will be tailor made, as May initially wanted.

    The question is how Remainers react when the deal they said couldn't be done (an expansive, unique trade deal that controls immigration for a much lower fee) is done.

    Option 1. It's a soft Brexit deal that marks the final surrender of the hard Brexiteers to economic inevitability.
    Option 2. It's a terrible hard Brexit deal that will cause economic carnage because they wouldn't compromise.
    Option 3. Its the worst parts of soft Brexit and hard Brexit, where we have to pay a lot of money but have no influence.

    My guess is they'll try to claim all three at the same time. Of course, the reality will be that we get most of what we wanted for a lower price, yet have a few symbolic defeats to please the EU masses back on the continent.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,158
    Scott_P said:

    @JenniferMerode: Barnier on Brexit money: it's not a ransom, it's not an exit bill, it's not revenge. It is simply settling accounts.

    @bbclaurak: Barnier says payment of Brexit bill is matter of confidence and trust

    @faisalislam: Barnier on Brexit finances: "how do you build a relationship based on trade, security -to last with a country where you don't have trust?"

    'matter of confidence'

    They mean like a confidence trick?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    If the EU does actually believe liabilities must be shared and all the assets belong to the EU, how is that a position upon which trust can exist?

    Sounds like a fairly standard divorce.

    She gets the house, he has to keep paying the mortgage...
  • CornishJohnCornishJohn Posts: 304

    He's a vicar not a priest.

    His title is 'Vicar of Christ'

    Your grasp of history is appalling.
    He's a Bishop. His title is Bishop of Rome.
    He's both, but Vicar of Christ is the elder of the titles.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicar_of_Christ
    All bishops are Vicars of Christ, but only the Pope is Bishop of Rome.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,074
    Mr. Eek, that tallies with the phenomenon of the thinning middle class.
  • CornishJohnCornishJohn Posts: 304
    Scott_P said:

    @e_casalicchio: Senior EU source tells me on Boris Johnson: "Once again Boris has poisoned the Brexit well & undermined UK attempts to build common ground."

    If one side in a negotiation says something about the other side, it must be impartial and objective.
  • currystarcurrystar Posts: 1,171
    eek said:

    currystar said:

    Its probably slightly higher, an Electrician now for a standard week is earning around £45,000 per year without overtime or any private jobs on a weekend. This reflects just how incredibly buoyant the economy is and its why the nonsense wriiten on here about the Tories economic incompetence grates so much. Does anyone really think if JC got into power and implemented his crazy policies that unemployment would fall and wages will rise?

    I'm starting to believe we have a very 2 tier economy - a lot of people on minimum wage up to £16k a year, the rest on £40k plus a year and nothing in between...
    We advertised a office admin job for £16k to £24k per annum, not a lot of skills required, just basic Microsoft Office experience. We had no applications.
  • CornishJohnCornishJohn Posts: 304
    calum said:

    Put's a bit of trolling on Twitter into perspective !
    https://twitter.com/johnfinucane/status/884664637937135616

    That sounds like another incident of the surge in Brexit hate crime. If the alleged victim believes its racist, it must be so.
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256

    Scott_P said:
    It is true though. Fantasy and postures are not policies - a lesson Boris, Davies, Fox, et al need to learn and very quickly.
    As Katya Adler notes in her last article, "the Europeans want a deal with the UK" and "need a deal". Both sides mention they won't do one at any price, but there is a deal to be had. It also mentions it will be tailor made, as May initially wanted.

    The question is how Remainers react when the deal they said couldn't be done (an expansive, unique trade deal that controls immigration for a much lower fee) is done.
    Speaking purely for myself, I would love to see a successful Brexit deal. I do not want the UK to Brexit, but if Brexit happens I would far, far rather that is was as minimally damaging to the UK as possible.

    In spite of the accusations levelled at me by the more vituperative Leavers on here, I do not want the UK to become a failed state or a damaged economy, nor do I wish it ill.

    A good outcome would be wonderful, I just do not see how we get it whilst our politicians play at politics instead of doing politics.

  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,247
    Ultimately, this is why Leaving was necessary.

    Yes, it's economically disruptive but there was (and is) no escaping this direction of travel for the EU and they weren't willing to put serious reform on the table to accommodate the UK's concerns.
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