The election SHOULD BE SUSPENDED. Then all the resources required to tackle the main problem can be harnessed for that purpose. In my view it should have been suspended after Manchester, if not cancelled. There is a lot of codswallop spoken after these incidents, like we are open to business and we will carry on regardless etc. Suspending the election does not mean the terroists have won, it is just plain common sense. Indeed I doubt if the election is the stimulous for the attacks, they would probably have happened anyway.
Disagree completely. Suspending normal life means exactly that the terrorists have won. We step up security and intelligence gathering, but we keep calm and carry on as before.
Its curious that some left-leaners want to cancel or postpone the elections every time something happens which might cast there security liability of a leader in an unfortunate light.
I've never seen the Conservative party described as the Conservative and Unionist party on any leaflets or ballot papers I've ever received.
And the Unionist part relates to Irish Unionism in any case.
They're calling themselves the Conservative and Unionist party on my partner's postal ballot paper. Since they haven't a scooby in our constituency, I assume that's the title on all the Scottish ballot papers.
Tbf it's not all that evident on their literature, it's mostly the Ruth Davidson party & the Ruth Davidson candidate.
By cutting police numbers and giving them a 1% increase in 7 years because of this terrorist attack, the Tory majority will increase from 12 to 150.
What a result for the Tories. Cut services get more Tory MPs.
While Labour just want to abolish the security services and the armed police. Go and troll someone else.
Do you really think Labour want to abolish the security services and armed police? You think if there was somehow a Corbyn PM he would try to do this?
Have a photo of John McDonnell posing with a socialist manifesto calling for the disbanding of MI5, special police squads and armed police. In the Guardian. In 2015.
As was mentioned on here earlier, IS have been battered and resemble an angry and panicky rat trapped in a corner. Options are kill the thing, take defensive measures (pull socks over trousers or tie string round), or to sit down with rat and discuss the morals of what they are doing to seek a compromise.
I suspect the third one (Jezza's favourite) won't be popular.
Its actually quite easy to be completely anonymous on the internet, it just involves a bit of know-how, a certain amount of money and some prepaid cellphones.
That depends how determined your adversary is. As one infosec expert put it:
The election SHOULD BE SUSPENDED. Then all the resources required to tackle the main problem can be harnessed for that purpose. In my view it should have been suspended after Manchester, if not cancelled. There is a lot of codswallop spoken after these incidents, like we are open to business and we will carry on regardless etc. Suspending the election does not mean the terroists have won, it is just plain common sense. Indeed I doubt if the election is the stimulous for the attacks, they would probably have happened anyway.
Disagree completely. Suspending normal life means exactly that the terrorists have won. We step up security and intelligence gathering, but we keep calm and carry on as before.
Its curious that some left-leaners want to cancel or postpone the elections every time something happens which might cast there security liability of a leader in an unfortunate light.
Isn't theakes a Lib Dem ramper? He's been saying the same thing ever since it became clear their campaign was a car crash.
Do you really think Labour want to abolish the security services and armed police? You think if there was somehow a Corbyn PM he would try to do this?
Diane Abbott signed a commons motion in 1989 saying MI5 and Special Branch should be abolished.
Then again, she also thinks Mao, the greatest mass murderer in history, did "more good than harm." (2008 on the BBC)
Our prospective home secretary, ladies and gentleman.
During the 1970s, MI5 (or bits of it) were actively plotting against the Prime Minister, while being apparently unconcerned at the more-or-less open talk on the right of raising private armies for military coups. Of course, this is an improvement over the 1930s to 1960s when MI6 was run directly from Moscow.
The election SHOULD BE SUSPENDED. Then all the resources required to tackle the main problem can be harnessed for that purpose. In my view it should have been suspended after Manchester, if not cancelled. There is a lot of codswallop spoken after these incidents, like we are open to business and we will carry on regardless etc. Suspending the election does not mean the terroists have won, it is just plain common sense. Indeed I doubt if the election is the stimulous for the attacks, they would probably have happened anyway.
You cannot cancel the election. We have no MPs now and will have none until after the election. Do you really want all the executive power in the country resting with the current Government with no oversight? Besides if we need to pass laws to aid our fight against the terrorists you can't do it without MPs to pass them.
His final analysis is since there is a wide range then focus on the average of the polls and not any individual one but be prepared for a wide range of outcomes! I do note that the average of the polls from yesterday added 4.6% to the lead of the Tories from the raw figures.
Nate Silver's analysis - If you're a cautious gambler, no bet.
He hedges every bet in sight. But it's userful that he reminds us of the key issue - that pollsters are adjusting Conservative poll leads by an average of 6.6 points, and are otherwise pretty consistently showing a Tory lead of about 4, with normal Bell curve variation around that. It's a matter of guesswork to judge whether the 6.6 adjustment is too much or too little. My guess is that it's too much, but an adjustment is needed and should probably be about 3. Which would give us a Tory lead of 7, pre-the latest terrorism.
If we assume that the latest attacks won't change very much (in the same way that Manchester didn't), that suggests a result not all that different from 2015, give or take local variations, but probably some relatively small Tory gains - up to a majority of 35, say. But there are two big assumptions there and we've no way of telling if they're right.
I've never seen the Conservative party described as the Conservative and Unionist party on any leaflets or ballot papers I've ever received.
And the Unionist part relates to Irish Unionism in any case.
They're calling themselves the Conservative and Unionist party on my partner's postal ballot paper. Since they haven't a scooby in our constituency, I assume that's the title on all the Scottish ballot papers.
Tbf it's not all that evident on their literature, it's mostly the Ruth Davidson party & the Ruth Davidson candidate.
The election SHOULD BE SUSPENDED. Then all the resources required to tackle the main problem can be harnessed for that purpose. In my view it should have been suspended after Manchester, if not cancelled. There is a lot of codswallop spoken after these incidents, like we are open to business and we will carry on regardless etc. Suspending the election does not mean the terroists have won, it is just plain common sense. Indeed I doubt if the election is the stimulous for the attacks, they would probably have happened anyway.
Disagree completely. Suspending normal life means exactly that the terrorists have won. We step up security and intelligence gathering, but we keep calm and carry on as before.
And just how long would we carry on with a government but not parliament? Parliament cannot be 'un-dissolved'.
I notice the labour spinners on here have been attacking tory government over police numbers in response to terrorist attack.
Let's just remember for a second. What did jez do when asked if he would support an ISIS fund raiser release from prison for Christmas, go absolutely no bloody way. Of course not, he supported them. FFS...Robbing old ladies to fund ISIS and jezza goes into bat for them.
Then Of course we have mcIRA who supported getting rid of the spooks. 10k more plods in panda cars but no F##king intelligence agencies, that will do the trick.
These people disgust me.
So you seriously use "labour spinners" in the same post as "mcIRA" I think you should save the disgust for yourself.
A man who supported the IRA...Just do one. These people are filth. Come back Ed you were a bit of a plonker but at heart a decent person.
You're entitled to your opinion, I personally believe that neither Corbyn nor McDonnell has ever supported the IRA, but I don't know and neither do you. But the fact I've got a different point of view doesn't make me a spinner any more than you are.
They are on record as having done so and having invited IRA members to Parliament a week after the Brighton bomb.
Okay, find the record of them supporting any IRA activity. and at the same time, the Thatcher government was have meetings with the same people and actually funding what would become Al-Qaeda. So if meeting IRA members in the mid 80s is the same as supporting them, was Willie Whitelaw a "McIRA" too?
The election SHOULD BE SUSPENDED. Then all the resources required to tackle the main problem can be harnessed for that purpose. In my view it should have been suspended after Manchester, if not cancelled. There is a lot of codswallop spoken after these incidents, like we are open to business and we will carry on regardless etc. Suspending the election does not mean the terroists have won, it is just plain common sense. Indeed I doubt if the election is the stimulous for the attacks, they would probably have happened anyway.
Disagree completely. Suspending normal life means exactly that the terrorists have won. We step up security and intelligence gathering, but we keep calm and carry on as before.
And just how long would we carry on with a government but not parliament? Parliament cannot be 'un-dissolved'.
I tried a few weeks ago and was called an apologist for Assad or some such because I pointed out how Saudi was involved in much of the trouble in the Middle East and around the world.
For the cultists no matter what video, photographic and written evidence there is on corbyn and co, it is all lies.
And for the other cultists, no matter how enfeebled have our defences become since 2010, and police cut, and with debt at record levels, the other lot would be even worse. It's probably all Gordon Brown's fault anyway. Or maybe Attlee's. Sure, there have been a couple of terrorist outrages in the past couple of weeks but there'd be two a day under Corbyn.
The election SHOULD BE SUSPENDED. Then all the resources required to tackle the main problem can be harnessed for that purpose. In my view it should have been suspended after Manchester, if not cancelled. There is a lot of codswallop spoken after these incidents, like we are open to business and we will carry on regardless etc. Suspending the election does not mean the terroists have won, it is just plain common sense. Indeed I doubt if the election is the stimulous for the attacks, they would probably have happened anyway.
Disagree completely. Suspending normal life means exactly that the terrorists have won. We step up security and intelligence gathering, but we keep calm and carry on as before.
And just how long would we carry on with a government but not parliament? Parliament cannot be 'un-dissolved'.
Correct. Any postponement could only be for a few days, if it were even possible. Just gives the scumbags another opportunity for more disruption in the meantime.
Sadly it won't be a surprise any more if we see armed police at polling stations on Thursday, but the election absolutely has to go ahead as planned. Why should we allow our democratic process to be dictated by those who hate us and wish us nothing but harm?
The election SHOULD BE SUSPENDED. Then all the resources required to tackle the main problem can be harnessed for that purpose. In my view it should have been suspended after Manchester, if not cancelled. There is a lot of codswallop spoken after these incidents, like we are open to business and we will carry on regardless etc. Suspending the election does not mean the terroists have won, it is just plain common sense. Indeed I doubt if the election is the stimulous for the attacks, they would probably have happened anyway.
Disagree completely. Suspending normal life means exactly that the terrorists have won. We step up security and intelligence gathering, but we keep calm and carry on as before.
And just how long would we carry on with a government but not parliament? Parliament cannot be 'un-dissolved'.
I've never seen the Conservative party described as the Conservative and Unionist party on any leaflets or ballot papers I've ever received.
And the Unionist part relates to Irish Unionism in any case.
They're calling themselves the Conservative and Unionist party on my partner's postal ballot paper. Since they haven't a scooby in our constituency, I assume that's the title on all the Scottish ballot papers.
Tbf it's not all that evident on their literature, it's mostly the Ruth Davidson party & the Ruth Davidson candidate.
May was home secretary for six years before becoming PM, a post she's held for nearly a year. If she's now saying there's been too much tolerance of terrorism and too many failings it's happened on her watch. The problem is that because of Corbyn's baggage and equivocations on security policy, Labour cannot credibly make this point. It's another reason why Labour will lose heavily on Thursday.
"She said there was "too much tolerance of extremism in our country" and while it would involve "some difficult and embarrassing conversations", that must change."
This is May we are talking about, she isn't referring to Islamic extremism. She's just as much an appeaser over this than Labour types.
Tim Farron just had a pop at the PM on Sky News. A bit rich coming from someone who nodded along to Angus Robertson's vile deflection during the debate last week.
Okay, find the record of them supporting any IRA activity. and at the same time, the Thatcher government was have meetings with the same people and actually funding what would become Al-Qaeda. So if meeting IRA members in the mid 80s is the same as supporting them, was Willie Whitelaw a "McIRA" too?
I would be interested to see a link where Lord Whitelaw said something to the effect of
"It's about time we started honouring those people involved in the armed struggle. It was the bombs and bullets and sacrifice made by the likes of Bobby Sands that brought Britain to the negotiating table.
"The peace we have now is due to the action of the IRA. Because of the bravery of the IRA and people like Bobby Sands, we now have a peace process."
May was home secretary for six years before becoming PM, a post she's held for nearly a year. If she's now saying there's been too much tolerance of terrorism and too many failings it's happened on her watch. The problem is that because of Corbyn's baggage and equivocations on security policy, Labour cannot credibly make this point. It's another reason why Labour will lose heavily on Thursday.
Yes, if people don't like the Tories because of this, then the only alternative is Ukip.
May was home secretary for six years before becoming PM, a post she's held for nearly a year. If she's now saying there's been too much tolerance of terrorism and too many failings it's happened on her watch. The problem is that because of Corbyn's baggage and equivocations on security policy, Labour cannot credibly make this point. It's another reason why Labour will lose heavily on Thursday.
The terrorism we see so regularly is the result of 50 years of ignoring the problem by all governments. We are reaping what they sowed
Slightly off topic, but it appears there's now considerable pressure being put on Qatar by their Gulf neighbours, over their foreign policy and funding of extremists.
This is something the Saudis have severely clamped down on in recent times, as ISIL have risen in Iran and Syria. Moderate muslims in Oman, UAE and Jordan are very worried about terrorism turning up closer to their home as well as abroad.
This was a key part of Trump's visit to the region last week, and his words on the need to root out extremists and the funding were approved by the leaders of the GCC countries other than Qatar.
Are they too wealthy to care? The gulf states must be seriously worried about low energy prices - the maintaining of which ought to be a foreign policy priority.
"She said there was "too much tolerance of extremism in our country" and while it would involve "some difficult and embarrassing conversations", that must change."
This is May we are talking about, she isn't referring to Islamic extremism. She's just as much an appeaser over this than Labour types.
She literally said "islamist"
She can say what she likes, what she means is another. This election is proof of that.
Anyway, I have leaflets to deliver, terrorists to poke in the eye.....
Have a good day all, don't let fear change your plans in life. Don't give them the satisfaction.
Good for you. Good hunting.
We've delayed our start this morning til 11
I disagree fundamentally with your support for Corbyn's Labour party but I wish you well in shouting from the rooftops your political positions. Even more so today. Go for it.
You didn't have the best interests of Labour at heart when you said that did you :-)
Tim Farron just had a pop at the PM on Sky News. A bit rich coming from someone who nodded along to Angus Robertson's vile deflection during the debate last week.
Some of his language has been surprising this campaign and not just the gay marriage stuff. The seven way debate he came out with some stuff and there were groans in the audience.
Richard Angell on the BBC now is not just a regular Londoner - he is the Director of Progress.
Where can I get some tealights?
www.virtuesignalling.com ?
Better than lackofvirtuesignalling. com.
While these displays can be a bit mawkish and not my cup of tea, they are a way of showing solidarity rather than the division that the terrorists want. It is the modern equivalent to "keep calm and carry on".
By cutting police numbers and giving them a 1% increase in 7 years because of this terrorist attack, the Tory majority will increase from 12 to 150.
What a result for the Tories. Cut services get more Tory MPs.
While Labour just want to abolish the security services and the armed police. Go and troll someone else.
Do you really think Labour want to abolish the security services and armed police? You think if there was somehow a Corbyn PM he would try to do this?
Have a photo of John McDonnell posing with a socialist manifesto calling for the disbanding of MI5, special police squads and armed police. In the Guardian. In 2015.
My sister is a police officer and she thinks I'm wrong.
I told her it would be far better for everybody if the police had dealt with the attackers in an assertive verbal manner and politely asked them to hand over their knives.
May was home secretary for six years before becoming PM, a post she's held for nearly a year. If she's now saying there's been too much tolerance of terrorism and too many failings it's happened on her watch. The problem is that because of Corbyn's baggage and equivocations on security policy, Labour cannot credibly make this point. It's another reason why Labour will lose heavily on Thursday.
Yes, if people don't like the Tories because of this, then the only alternative is Ukip.
Only half the electorate have the opportunity to support UKIP at this GE.
People talk of former Prime Ministers like Cameron not being seen but has Major been seen anywhere as well? I'm sure I usually see him on television most election campaigns or maybe it just feels like that.
Anyone seen Philip Hammond recently, perhaps...No, can't be, it would be in the Sun or the Mail....
He had a tweet reported on the BBC this morning about last night. But to say he has been low profile is like saying McDonnell is only a scheming, conniving fellow traveler of terrorists. Completely understates the position.
Could it affect turnout if going out and voting is seen as a civic duty to defy the terrorists?
Gosh - if Labour could turn that into a big Thing on the Internet they might win the election!
I will record my response to any Labour canvasser who comes to my door - Might blister paint though :-)
in all seriousness Labour not trying here in Colchester - sent a leaflet to one of my sons who has never voted and ignored everyone else in the house who does.
Lib Dems sent a mail shot, in previous elections they had a whole team working the area - not sure they even trying that hard.
My sister is a police officer and she thinks I'm wrong.
I told her it would be far better for everybody if the police had dealt with the attackers in an assertive verbal manner and politely asked them to hand over their knives.
One of the eyewitnesses claims that he knew that the explosives were fake, but in that split second the police have to make a call.
My sister is a police officer and she thinks I'm wrong.
I told her it would be far better for everybody if the police had dealt with the attackers in an assertive verbal manner and politely asked them to hand over their knives.
I agree with Mrs May that things have got to change.
I'd add:
1) Tackle the Saudi issue. Their finance and malign influence on British schools and mosques is unacceptable. UK arms suppliers will complain but our security is more important.
2) Increase resources for policing and anti-terrorism (and for God's sake don't mention the magic money tree). The issue doesn't seem to be in identifying suspects but in monitoring and managing them. More mass surveillance isn't the answer. More manpower is.
3) More explicitly support the Palestinian cause e.g. by recognising Palestine and risk upsetting Israel. This would have widespread support in the UK but it also helps neutralise the grievances exploited by the radicalisers of weak young men.
If I were Corbyn, I would go with these.
Agree with one, two is inevitable. The problem with three is that, while if we could somehow get move significantly towards an Israeli-Palestinian solution to the conflict tomorrow it might help, it's a hostage to fortune linking it with terrorism as any sort of justification. Firstly, because it's an intractable, possibly insoluble issue and you're setting yourself up for failure down the line and appearing to concede Jihadis may have a point won't help when you can't deliver. We recognise fully recognise Palestine, but then what? When there's little movement for a year or two, we'll be accused of treachery to the cause. Furthermore, one of the defining traits of extremists is that they don't differentiate between their opponents. Countries that vehemently opposed Iraq, for example, or who have a generally compassionate stance on the middle-East are just as much targets as us and America. More Muslims, many from resolutely anti-Israel nations, are killed by Islamist terrorists than westerners as anyone who doesn't buy the ideology hook-line-and-sinker is a collaborator with the enemy. They would find another issue to use as a wedge against us. It's one of the reasons Israel is so militaristic - the understandable fear that when it came down to it, prominent groups either running or with political influence in neighbouring nations wouldn't blink about wiping it out even if they offered compromise. It's not the IRA where the things we had in our gift - governmental autonomy, investment etc, can bring people to the table.
That's not to say we shouldn't be asking Israel to rein in some excesses and to move towards a long term solution and promoting political reform in the ME in general, but not as part of an effort to stop these vile lunatics.
At least Theresa May mentioned the i word and said "Enough is enough".
Remember that at the debate in Cambridge, Paul Nuttall was condemned for mentioning Islam by the soppy lefties
And in one succinct statement, she has laid an elephant trap for Corbyn to walk straight into. Hence Thornberry's statement about not making political points today, which translates as 'we're not quite sure how to respond to May's statement yet'.
Newspaper headlines tomorrow - 'Enough is Enough' from May. 'Cup of tea and a biscuit, anyone?' from Corbyn.
"She said there was "too much tolerance of extremism in our country" and while it would involve "some difficult and embarrassing conversations", that must change."
This is May we are talking about, she isn't referring to Islamic extremism. She's just as much an appeaser over this than Labour types.
She literally said "islamist"
"Islamist" is a shitty propaganda word designed to paint all Muslims with a terrorist brush. No disingenuous semantics or logic-chopping will show otherwise. "Radicalisation" is also often used in a most fuckwitted sense.
In other news, of course the Nasty Party will resume its campaigning before Thursday. They will be knocking on undecideds' doors telling them that the Labour leader supports terrorism. They will say Jeremy Corbyn wants every white person to stand still, afraid of being called a "racist", while men who've had a touch too much of the sun, say every tenth word in Arabic - especially the word for "God" - rarely shave, congregate in thousands of mosques, and hail from beyond Dover, take their knives from between their teeth and set about slitting as many white throats as they can.
So basically putting VAT on private school fees and letting youngsters go to university without getting into huge debt is ideological craziness that is part of a package with throat-slitting, taxing the rich, utopian socialism, and did I mention taxing the poor old innocent darlings called the rich?
And in one succinct statement, she has laid an elephant trap for Corbyn to walk straight into. Hence Thornberry's statement about not making political points today, which translates as 'we're not quite sure how to respond to May's statement yet'.
Newspaper headlines tomorrow - 'Enough is Enough' from May. 'Cup of tea and a biscuit, anyone?' from Corbyn.
At least Theresa May mentioned the i word and said "Enough is enough".
Remember that at the debate in Cambridge, Paul Nuttall was condemned for mentioning Islam by the soppy lefties
And in one succinct statement, she has laid an elephant trap for Corbyn to walk straight into. Hence Thornberry's statement about not making political points today, which translates as 'we're not quite sure how to respond to May's statement yet'.
Newspaper headlines tomorrow - 'Enough is Enough' by May. 'Cup of tea and a biscuit, anyone?' from Corbyn.
In my bed wetting state I fear may will get incoming and some people will go for ukip because what the hell or even jezza because how much worse cam he be...
All the Bloody oldies better make sure their mobility scooters are full charged for Thursday!
Slightly off topic, but it appears there's now considerable pressure being put on Qatar by their Gulf neighbours, over their foreign policy and funding of extremists.
This is something the Saudis have severely clamped down on in recent times, as ISIL have risen in Iran and Syria. Moderate muslims in Oman, UAE and Jordan are very worried about terrorism turning up closer to their home as well as abroad.
This was a key part of Trump's visit to the region last week, and his words on the need to root out extremists and the funding were approved by the leaders of the GCC countries other than Qatar.
Are they too wealthy to care? The gulf states must be seriously worried about low energy prices - the maintaining of which ought to be a foreign policy priority.
It's starting to dawn on the Gulf states that oil prices aren't going back up again, that economic diversification is essential and urgent, and that careful management of the population is required to avoid restlessness as we see in Yemen and saw in Bahrain a few years ago. OPEC as a concept is now pretty much dead, they have lost the ability to control price to any major extent such is the diversity of production caused by fracking in the past few years.
The major milestone, which is only a couple of years away now, will be US self-sufficiency in fossil fuels. This has the potential for an end to the Western realpolitik that tolerates Saudi and Qatar at the moment.
The GCC will be introducing VAT at 5% from January, government fees and charges are rising quickly, governments are investing in education and the private sector is being incentivised to hire locals rather than expatriates. As an example statistic, in the UAE 80% of the local Emirati population in employment, work in the public sector at the moment. Even in Saudi there's a move to open cinemas and theme parks, which have hitherto been banned, to encourage inward tourism other than Islamic pilgrimages. It will be a while before the Saudi hotels have bars though, the rich ones will continue weekending in Dubai and Bahrain for a few years yet.
The retired detective having quite a go at theresa may on sky
Neither the words "retired" or "detective" inspire any confidence in current knowledge of intelligence or the benefits of experience at a very senior level.
On May I don't agree with the analysis of PB posters. People are not daft. They know that someone coming on and saying "enough is enough" after 8 years in charge of these matters is little short of ridiculous.
The chap on Sky from the Police Federation has just laid into the Prime Minister no holds barred. Quite right too after a blatently political speech from May on a day she announce the suspension of campaigning.
And in one succinct statement, she has laid an elephant trap for Corbyn to walk straight into. Hence Thornberry's statement about not making political points today, which translates as 'we're not quite sure how to respond to May's statement yet'.
Newspaper headlines tomorrow - 'Enough is Enough' from May. 'Cup of tea and a biscuit, anyone?' from Corbyn.
By cutting police numbers and giving them a 1% increase in 7 years because of this terrorist attack, the Tory majority will increase from 12 to 150.
What a result for the Tories. Cut services get more Tory MPs.
While Labour just want to abolish the security services and the armed police. Go and troll someone else.
Do you really think Labour want to abolish the security services and armed police? You think if there was somehow a Corbyn PM he would try to do this?
Have a photo of John McDonnell posing with a socialist manifesto calling for the disbanding of MI5, special police squads and armed police. In the Guardian. In 2015.
Right but you actually think he believes that? I get that it's an embarrassing photo - but isn't it obvious he doesn't think that?
If I posed for a photo with a single-page political manifesto, and signed a letter by the organisation that published it, do you think it would be unreasonable to infer that I might support what it says?
Yes he was the guy I heard and was not from the police Federation. However being "retired" allows him to speak the truth to power which he did by exposing the deliberate manipulation of the armed police statistics under May. They are down on 2010 as are the overall police numbers. The Tories throughout this campaign have been presenting the increase from the reduced figure as an increase!
On May I don't agree with the analysis of PB posters. People are not daft. They know that someone coming on and saying "enough is enough" after 8 years in charge of these matters is little short of ridiculous.
The chap on Sky from the Police Federation has just laid into the Prime Minister no holds barred. Quite right too after a blatently political speech from May on a day she announce the suspension of campaigning.
It's seven years. So she can be like the cleaner who told her boss not to blame dust for being there for a fortnight as she'd only been there a week.
You are aware that the Police Federation and May have a certain history, aren't you? She could promise to hand over the entire NHS budget for policing and three months sabbatical a year complete with paid for holidays in Malaga and they would still snipe at her.
People are not daft. They know that someone coming on and saying "enough is enough" after 8 years in charge of these matters is little short of ridiculous.
And in one succinct statement, she has laid an elephant trap for Corbyn to walk straight into. Hence Thornberry's statement about not making political points today, which translates as 'we're not quite sure how to respond to May's statement yet'.
Newspaper headlines tomorrow - 'Enough is Enough' from May. 'Cup of tea and a biscuit, anyone?' from Corbyn.
We'll find out tonight -- but these outrages happened on Theresa May's watch, not Corbyn's. May has the advantage of being able to act now but risks raising the question of why enough was not enough five years ago or even last week after Manchester.
May's political speech has opened the door to Corbyn speaking his mind on this issue tonight.
Her choice of making blatently political points from the podium outside Number 10 means in is fair game to lay the failures of security at her door, after seven years in charge!.
On May I don't agree with the analysis of PB posters. People are not daft. They know that someone coming on and saying "enough is enough" after 8 years in charge of these matters is little short of ridiculous.
The chap on Sky from the Police Federation has just laid into the Prime Minister no holds barred. Quite right too after a blatently political speech from May on a day she announce the suspension of campaigning.
It's seven years. So she can be like the cleaner who told her boss not to blame dust for being there for a fortnight as she'd only been there a week.
You are aware that the Police Federation and May have a certain history, aren't you? She could promise to hand over the entire NHS budget for policing and three months sabbatical a year complete with paid for holidays in Malaga and they would still snipe at her.
At least Theresa May mentioned the i word and said "Enough is enough".
Remember that at the debate in Cambridge, Paul Nuttall was condemned for mentioning Islam by the soppy lefties
And in one succinct statement, she has laid an elephant trap for Corbyn to walk straight into. Hence Thornberry's statement about not making political points today, which translates as 'we're not quite sure how to respond to May's statement yet'.
Newspaper headlines tomorrow - 'Enough is Enough' by May. 'Cup of tea and a biscuit, anyone?' from Corbyn.
In my bed wetting state I fear may will get incoming and some people will go for ukip because what the hell or even jezza because how much worse cam he be...
All the Bloody oldies better make sure their mobility scooters are full charged for Thursday!
She'll get incoming from the Left, which is precisely what the Tories want. Corbyn will equivocate and talk about 'communities coming together' and the usual woolly nonsense he specialises in. The under current of anything Corbyn says will be the politics of appeasement.
The public outside of the Westminster bubble and the Guardian readership will side with May over this - and so will those wavering UKIP supporters.
Could be worse, he could have said "Muslim Mayor of London".
If Theresa May were a strong leader and loyal to this country, she would publicly tell the US president to FUCK RIGHT OFF OUT OF IT.
Anyone who believes Reality TV Donnie sits there watching the news and types shit into his phone when he feels like it is living in cloud-cuckoo land. WTF does a US president care about what a mayor of a British city says about British affairs? Is that the kind of info he makes sure he gets daily briefings on? Trump has almost certainly been asked to help by British Tories.
But let's not hold our breath waiting for US citizen Boris Johnson to call in the US ambassador and tell him this interference in British affairs by the head of the US government is totally unacceptable and requires an apology.
"She said there was "too much tolerance of extremism in our country" and while it would involve "some difficult and embarrassing conversations", that must change."
This is May we are talking about, she isn't referring to Islamic extremism. She's just as much an appeaser over this than Labour types.
She literally said "islamist"
"Islamist" is a shitty propaganda word designed to paint all Muslims with a terrorist brush. No disingenuous semantics or logic-chopping will show otherwise. "Radicalisation" is also often used in a most fuckwitted sense.
In other news, of course the Nasty Party will resume its campaigning before Thursday. They will be knocking on undecideds' doors telling them that the Labour leader supports terrorism. They will say Jeremy Corbyn wants every white person to stand still, afraid of being called a "racist", while men who've had a touch too much of the sun, say every tenth word in Arabic - especially the word for "God" - rarely shave, congregate in thousands of mosques, and hail from beyond Dover, take their knives from between their teeth and set about slitting as many white throats as they can.
So basically putting VAT on private school fees and letting youngsters go to university without getting into huge debt is ideological craziness that is part of a package with throat-slitting, taxing the rich, utopian socialism, and did I mention taxing the poor old innocent darlings called the rich?
Forget Ideological craziness. VAT on private school fees will cost the country vast sums of money. How do you expect the state system to cope when all those schools shut down and there is a huge influx of pupils back into the system. 615,000 children are in private education. Where are the state schools to teach them?
Could be worse, he could have said "Muslim Mayor of London".
Can't disagree with Don though. Sadiq's attitude to terrorism is frankly shit. The idea that we just have to live with it is complete rubbish, he knows that dealing with terrorism will make life for certain hardline Muslims intolerable.
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/nov/19/john-mcdonnell-denies-backing-call-to-end-mi5-and-disarm-police
I suspect the third one (Jezza's favourite) won't be popular.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/home-office-terrorist-funding-report-saudia-arabia-focus-not-publish-conservatives-government-a7766381.html
If we assume that the latest attacks won't change very much (in the same way that Manchester didn't), that suggests a result not all that different from 2015, give or take local variations, but probably some relatively small Tory gains - up to a majority of 35, say. But there are two big assumptions there and we've no way of telling if they're right.
Meeting of Parliament Act 1797
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/apgb/Geo3/37/127
Sadly it won't be a surprise any more if we see armed police at polling stations on Thursday, but the election absolutely has to go ahead as planned. Why should we allow our democratic process to be dictated by those who hate us and wish us nothing but harm?
@JamesKanag
This is 1 of 2 Scottish polls out today (other Survation). Numbers suggest massive change since 2015. SNP down 8%, Tories up 15%. Staggering.
https://twitter.com/survation/status/871269499856662528
"It's about time we started honouring those people involved in the armed struggle. It was the bombs and bullets and sacrifice made by the likes of Bobby Sands that brought Britain to the negotiating table.
"The peace we have now is due to the action of the IRA. Because of the bravery of the IRA and people like Bobby Sands, we now have a peace process."
- McDonnell (2003)
While these displays can be a bit mawkish and not my cup of tea, they are a way of showing solidarity rather than the division that the terrorists want. It is the modern equivalent to "keep calm and carry on".
I get that it's an embarrassing photo - but isn't it obvious he doesn't think that?
My sister is a police officer and she thinks I'm wrong.
I told her it would be far better for everybody if the police had dealt with the attackers in an assertive verbal manner and politely asked them to hand over their knives.
I enjoyed your blog post http://aboutasfarasdelgados.blogspot.co.uk/2017/05/the-problem-with-opinion-polls-polls.html?m=1 but you need to know that YouGov have since 2015 implemented some of your recommendations, specifically
* actively recruiting the unengaged
* weighting by political engagement
I don't know if it works or if they are doing it right. But they are doing it.
Remember that at the debate in Cambridge, Paul Nuttall was condemned for mentioning Islam by the soppy lefties
in all seriousness Labour not trying here in Colchester - sent a leaflet to one of my sons who has never voted and ignored everyone else in the house who does.
Lib Dems sent a mail shot, in previous elections they had a whole team working the area - not sure they even trying that hard.
Bob Russell will not I think be making a comeback
I didn't know that when I wrote the post. It would be interesting to know what they are doing to reach the unengaged and/or if they are able to do it
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/may/31/sensitive-uk-terror-funding-inquiry-findings-may-never-be-published-saudi-arabia
Newspaper headlines tomorrow - 'Enough is Enough' from May. 'Cup of tea and a biscuit, anyone?' from Corbyn.
In other news, of course the Nasty Party will resume its campaigning before Thursday. They will be knocking on undecideds' doors telling them that the Labour leader supports terrorism. They will say Jeremy Corbyn wants every white person to stand still, afraid of being called a "racist", while men who've had a touch too much of the sun, say every tenth word in Arabic - especially the word for "God" - rarely shave, congregate in thousands of mosques, and hail from beyond Dover, take their knives from between their teeth and set about slitting as many white throats as they can.
So basically putting VAT on private school fees and letting youngsters go to university without getting into huge debt is ideological craziness that is part of a package with throat-slitting, taxing the rich, utopian socialism, and did I mention taxing the poor old innocent darlings called the rich?
All the Bloody oldies better make sure their mobility scooters are full charged for Thursday!
The major milestone, which is only a couple of years away now, will be US self-sufficiency in fossil fuels. This has the potential for an end to the Western realpolitik that tolerates Saudi and Qatar at the moment.
The GCC will be introducing VAT at 5% from January, government fees and charges are rising quickly, governments are investing in education and the private sector is being incentivised to hire locals rather than expatriates. As an example statistic, in the UAE 80% of the local Emirati population in employment, work in the public sector at the moment. Even in Saudi there's a move to open cinemas and theme parks, which have hitherto been banned, to encourage inward tourism other than Islamic pilgrimages. It will be a while before the Saudi hotels have bars though, the rich ones will continue weekending in Dubai and Bahrain for a few years yet.
The chap on Sky from the Police Federation has just laid into the Prime Minister no holds barred. Quite right too after a blatently political speech from May on a day she announce the suspension of campaigning.
Yes, I think he believes that.
Yes he was the guy I heard and was not from the police Federation. However being "retired" allows him to speak the truth to power which he did by exposing the deliberate manipulation of the armed police statistics under May. They are down on 2010 as are the overall police numbers. The Tories throughout this campaign have been presenting the increase from the reduced figure as an increase!
Well done to him retired or not.
You are aware that the Police Federation and May have a certain history, aren't you? She could promise to hand over the entire NHS budget for policing and three months sabbatical a year complete with paid for holidays in Malaga and they would still snipe at her.
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/871328428963901440
Her choice of making blatently political points from the podium outside Number 10 means in is fair game to lay the failures of security at her door, after seven years in charge!.
The public outside of the Westminster bubble and the Guardian readership will side with May over this - and so will those wavering UKIP supporters.
Anyone who believes Reality TV Donnie sits there watching the news and types shit into his phone when he feels like it is living in cloud-cuckoo land. WTF does a US president care about what a mayor of a British city says about British affairs? Is that the kind of info he makes sure he gets daily briefings on? Trump has almost certainly been asked to help by British Tories.
But let's not hold our breath waiting for US citizen Boris Johnson to call in the US ambassador and tell him this interference in British affairs by the head of the US government is totally unacceptable and requires an apology.