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  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,783

    Charles said:

    Andrea Leadsom vs Theresa May

    One has raised a children vs one who doesn't want them (she could have adopted)
    One voted leave vs one voted remain
    One has a personality vs one who doesn't
    One has worked in a proper job vs one who has always been a career politician.

    Theresa May cannot understand the stresses and strains of having children, doing chores and people who work in this country. Andrea Leadsom should have been elected leader against Theresa May.

    Theresa and Philip wanted children. It didn't happen for them, and I, for one, feel nothing but sympathy for them.

    I don't know Andrea but I do know a lot of people with a similar role which is fairly marginal in the scheme of things
    they could have adopted.

    Her career as a politician was more important. There are lots of men and women that don't enjoy sex and theresa may doesn't look like the kind of person who is up for it. And last time I checked if your not up for sex you can't get pregnant.
    Sorry, but for this kind of thing to be effective it does need just a hint of subtlety.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    edited May 2017

    HaroldO said:

    Andrea Leadsom vs Theresa May

    One has raised a children vs one who doesn't want them (she could have adopted)
    One voted leave vs one voted remain
    One has a personality vs one who doesn't
    One has worked in a proper job vs one who has always been a career politician.

    Theresa May cannot understand the stresses and strains of having children, doing chores and people who work in this country. Andrea Leadsom should have been elected leader against Theresa May.

    Erm, your point one is just. Wow.
    Theresa May is not a normal human being.

    Most people in this country get married and have children and if they can't have children they adopt.

    Theresa May will never understand the stresses and strains of raising children. Living in a budget, sharing equally so all the children can have things to look forward, going on holiday and one of the kids gets ill. The sleepless nights, the worrying, the nights spent helping the kids with homework, teaching them to drive on a quiet road and worry about the next girlfriend/boyfriend they will bring home.

    She's a total disaster and the only people that like her are the hacks, she has zero personality, zero charisma and everything is wooden and scripted.

    She's the career politician.

    "Most people in this country get married and have children and if they can't have children they adopt."

    WTAF?

    how many married 60 year old women do you know that never had kids?
    Yeah good point. Probably not the marrying kind in the first place, if you get my drift.

    Edit: you know you have failed at satire when you are so effortlessly and immediately outdone by the real thing.
  • NormNorm Posts: 1,251

    Charles said:

    Andrea Leadsom vs Theresa May

    One has raised a children vs one who doesn't want them (she could have adopted)
    One voted leave vs one voted remain
    One has a personality vs one who doesn't
    One has worked in a proper job vs one who has always been a career politician.

    Theresa May cannot understand the stresses and strains of having children, doing chores and people who work in this country. Andrea Leadsom should have been elected leader against Theresa May.

    Theresa and Philip wanted children. It didn't happen for them, and I, for one, feel nothing but sympathy for them.

    I don't know Andrea but I do know a lot of people with a similar role which is fairly marginal in the scheme of things
    they could have adopted.

    Her career as a politician was more important. There are lots of men and women that don't enjoy sex and theresa may doesn't look like the kind of person who is up for it. And last time I checked if your not up for sex you can't get pregnant.
    You weird little man.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    Charles said:

    Andrea Leadsom vs Theresa May

    One has raised a children vs one who doesn't want them (she could have adopted)
    One voted leave vs one voted remain
    One has a personality vs one who doesn't
    One has worked in a proper job vs one who has always been a career politician.

    Theresa May cannot understand the stresses and strains of having children, doing chores and people who work in this country. Andrea Leadsom should have been elected leader against Theresa May.

    Theresa and Philip wanted children. It didn't happen for them, and I, for one, feel nothing but sympathy for them.

    I don't know Andrea but I do know a lot of people with a similar role which is fairly marginal in the scheme of things
    they could have adopted.

    Her career as a politician was more important. There are lots of men and women that don't enjoy sex and theresa may doesn't look like the kind of person who is up for it. And last time I checked if your not up for sex you can't get pregnant.
    Haha that's straight out of Viz!
  • PClippPClipp Posts: 2,138

    I can't believe that May would say anything that wasn't 100% accurate.

    Mrs May is a complete and utter ninny, Mr Rentool. She has no idea what she is saying.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,348

    HaroldO said:

    Andrea Leadsom vs Theresa May

    One has raised a children vs one who doesn't want them (she could have adopted)
    One voted leave vs one voted remain
    One has a personality vs one who doesn't
    One has worked in a proper job vs one who has always been a career politician.

    Theresa May cannot understand the stresses and strains of having children, doing chores and people who work in this country. Andrea Leadsom should have been elected leader against Theresa May.

    Erm, your point one is just. Wow.
    Theresa May is not a normal human being.

    Most people in this country get married and have children and if they can't have children they adopt.

    Theresa May will never understand the stresses and strains of raising children. Living in a budget, sharing equally so all the children can have things to look forward, going on holiday and one of the kids gets ill. The sleepless nights, the worrying, the nights spent helping the kids with homework, teaching them to drive on a quiet road and worry about the next girlfriend/boyfriend they will bring home.

    She's a total disaster and the only people that like her are the hacks, she has zero personality, zero charisma and everything is wooden and scripted.

    She's the career politician.

    By that wonderful logic, Mick Philpott is the most qualified person in the country to be Prime Minister
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,683

    HaroldO said:

    Andrea Leadsom vs Theresa May

    One has raised a children vs one who doesn't want them (she could have adopted)
    One voted leave vs one voted remain
    One has a personality vs one who doesn't
    One has worked in a proper job vs one who has always been a career politician.

    Theresa May cannot understand the stresses and strains of having children, doing chores and people who work in this country. Andrea Leadsom should have been elected leader against Theresa May.

    Erm, your point one is just. Wow.
    Theresa May is not a normal human being.

    Most people in this country get married and have children and if they can't have children they adopt.

    Theresa May will never understand the stresses and strains of raising children. Living in a budget, sharing equally so all the children can have things to look forward, going on holiday and one of the kids gets ill. The sleepless nights, the worrying, the nights spent helping the kids with homework, teaching them to drive on a quiet road and worry about the next girlfriend/boyfriend they will bring home.

    She's a total disaster and the only people that like her are the hacks, she has zero personality, zero charisma and everything is wooden and scripted.

    She's the career politician.
    Sturgeon, Merkel, Salmond, Widdecombe, Davidson, Portillo, Heath etc also are/were childless
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    kyf_100 said:

    Mortimer said:

    Point of order, but why TMay?

    We don't us JCorbyn or TFarron. What is wrong is Mrs May, or even just May? Am I missing something

    Yes, May is the name of the Prime Minister, it is also a modal verb, and it is also the name of a month. Consider the confusion.of

    'May may call a May election'
    Grammar is your friend there though. May the name and may the adverb are spelt differently as one is spelt with a capital letter while the other is not. Only if you are starting a sentence with the adverb would that be spelt the same and it seems easier to avoid that than to mess around with fictionalised name variants.

    As for the month context is your friend there.

    Honestly for anyone who can read and write English properly I see no reason for confusion.
    Just checked. At some point this month Betfair renamed their "Next Prime Minister After May" market "Prime Minister after Theresa May". You can see how having a market like that up in the month of May is not a good idea.

    Side note: Radiohead are called Radiohead (after the Talking Heads song) because they used to be called On A Friday and people kept showing up to their gigs on fridays even when they weren't.
    So they made a good use of context rather than write TMay.
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,464

    Charles said:

    Andrea Leadsom vs Theresa May

    One has raised a children vs one who doesn't want them (she could have adopted)
    One voted leave vs one voted remain
    One has a personality vs one who doesn't
    One has worked in a proper job vs one who has always been a career politician.

    Theresa May cannot understand the stresses and strains of having children, doing chores and people who work in this country. Andrea Leadsom should have been elected leader against Theresa May.

    Theresa and Philip wanted children. It didn't happen for them, and I, for one, feel nothing but sympathy for them.

    I don't know Andrea but I do know a lot of people with a similar role which is fairly marginal in the scheme of things
    they could have adopted.

    Her career as a politician was more important. There are lots of men and women that don't enjoy sex and theresa may doesn't look like the kind of person who is up for it. And last time I checked if your not up for sex you can't get pregnant.
    Dear God.
  • PClippPClipp Posts: 2,138

    Charles said:

    Andrea Leadsom vs Theresa May
    One has raised a children vs one who doesn't want them (she could have adopted)
    One voted leave vs one voted remain
    One has a personality vs one who doesn't
    One has worked in a proper job vs one who has always been a career politician.
    Theresa May cannot understand the stresses and strains of having children, doing chores and people who work in this country. Andrea Leadsom should have been elected leader against Theresa May.

    Theresa and Philip wanted children. It didn't happen for them, and I, for one, feel nothing but sympathy for them.
    I don't know Andrea but I do know a lot of people with a similar role which is fairly marginal in the scheme of things
    they could have adopted.

    Her career as a politician was more important. There are lots of men and women that don't enjoy sex and theresa may doesn't look like the kind of person who is up for it. And last time I checked if your not up for sex you can't get pregnant.
    So there is no such thing as pregnancy after rape?
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Mortimer said:

    Point of order, but why TMay?

    We don't us JCorbyn or TFarron. What is wrong is Mrs May, or even just May? Am I missing something

    Yes, May is the name of the Prime Minister, it is also a modal verb, and it is also the name of a month. Consider the confusion.of

    'May may call a May election'
    Grammar is your friend there though. May the name and may the adverb are spelt differently as one is spelt with a capital letter while the other is not. Only if you are starting a sentence with the adverb would that be spelt the same and it seems easier to avoid that than to mess around with fictionalised name variants.

    As for the month context is your friend there.

    Honestly for anyone who can read and write English properly I see no reason for confusion.
    I love my grammar.

    We've used EdM in the past, BoJo etc for brevity in URLs and headlines shortness.
    EdM and BoJo are at least nicknames that lots of people use and are well understood. TMay is something you've made up as far as I can tell.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,234

    Charles said:

    Andrea Leadsom vs Theresa May

    One has raised a children vs one who doesn't want them (she could have adopted)
    One voted leave vs one voted remain
    One has a personality vs one who doesn't
    One has worked in a proper job vs one who has always been a career politician.

    Theresa May cannot understand the stresses and strains of having children, doing chores and people who work in this country. Andrea Leadsom should have been elected leader against Theresa May.

    Theresa and Philip wanted children. It didn't happen for them, and I, for one, feel nothing but sympathy for them.

    I don't know Andrea but I do know a lot of people with a similar role which is fairly marginal in the scheme of things
    they could have adopted.

    Her career as a politician was more important. There are lots of men and women that don't enjoy sex and theresa may doesn't look like the kind of person who is up for it. And last time I checked if your not up for sex you can't get pregnant.
    That post says far more about you than about Theresa & Philip May, who were married for 17 years before Theresa became an MP at the age of 40.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,348

    Good afternoon, everyone.

    Mr. Eagles, you also wanted to leave. Only you wanted to wait 10 years for the EU to integrate more and *then* leave. Do you think things would've been easier then?

    Mr. JS, I've backed the blues for 350-374 seats at 7. If they get 375 it'll be like Monaco all over again.

    My view was we'd be in a better position to Leave if the EU moved in two distinct blocs, Eurozone and non Eurozone, with the Eurozone countries had full political union.

    Leaving like we are is fraught with disaster.

    You can't say you weren't warned.
  • Thorpe_BayThorpe_Bay Posts: 47

    Charles said:

    Andrea Leadsom vs Theresa May

    One has raised a children vs one who doesn't want them (she could have adopted)
    One voted leave vs one voted remain
    One has a personality vs one who doesn't
    One has worked in a proper job vs one who has always been a career politician.

    Theresa May cannot understand the stresses and strains of having children, doing chores and people who work in this country. Andrea Leadsom should have been elected leader against Theresa May.

    Theresa and Philip wanted children. It didn't happen for them, and I, for one, feel nothing but sympathy for them.

    I don't know Andrea but I do know a lot of people with a similar role which is fairly marginal in the scheme of things
    they could have adopted.

    Her career as a politician was more important. There are lots of men and women that don't enjoy sex and theresa may doesn't look like the kind of person who is up for it. And last time I checked if your not up for sex you can't get pregnant.
    What a nasty post.
    Truth hurts.

    A heartless career politician whose life ambition was power.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,348

    Mortimer said:

    Point of order, but why TMay?

    We don't us JCorbyn or TFarron. What is wrong is Mrs May, or even just May? Am I missing something

    Yes, May is the name of the Prime Minister, it is also a modal verb, and it is also the name of a month. Consider the confusion.of

    'May may call a May election'
    Grammar is your friend there though. May the name and may the adverb are spelt differently as one is spelt with a capital letter while the other is not. Only if you are starting a sentence with the adverb would that be spelt the same and it seems easier to avoid that than to mess around with fictionalised name variants.

    As for the month context is your friend there.

    Honestly for anyone who can read and write English properly I see no reason for confusion.
    I love my grammar.

    We've used EdM in the past, BoJo etc for brevity in URLs and headlines shortness.
    EdM and BoJo are at least nicknames that lots of people use and are well understood. TMay is something you've made up as far as I can tell.
    Well Mike did. At least weren't not using Tezzy.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,683

    Charles said:

    Andrea Leadsom vs Theresa May

    One has raised a children vs one who doesn't want them (she could have adopted)
    One voted leave vs one voted remain
    One has a personality vs one who doesn't
    One has worked in a proper job vs one who has always been a career politician.

    Theresa May cannot understand the stresses and strains of having children, doing chores and people who work in this country. Andrea Leadsom should have been elected leader against Theresa May.

    Theresa and Philip wanted children. It didn't happen for them, and I, for one, feel nothing but sympathy for them.

    I don't know Andrea but I do know a lot of people with a similar role which is fairly marginal in the scheme of things
    they could have adopted.

    Her career as a politician was more important. There are lots of men and women that don't enjoy sex and theresa may doesn't look like the kind of person who is up for it. And last time I checked if your not up for sex you can't get pregnant.
    At the Oxford Union in 1978 Theresa May argued against the motion 'sex is great but success is better'
    https://mobile.twitter.com/lfrayer/status/751107005872496640
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Good afternoon, everyone.

    Mr. Eagles, you also wanted to leave. Only you wanted to wait 10 years for the EU to integrate more and *then* leave. Do you think things would've been easier then?

    Mr. JS, I've backed the blues for 350-374 seats at 7. If they get 375 it'll be like Monaco all over again.

    My view was we'd be in a better position to Leave if the EU moved in two distinct blocs, Eurozone and non Eurozone, with the Eurozone countries had full political union.

    Leaving like we are is fraught with disaster.

    You can't say you weren't warned.
    I fail to see how that would make things any easier. If the Eurozone core was more integrated then they'd have been even more able to just dictate terms of exit to us rather than being a mix of nations with different interests.
  • PClippPClipp Posts: 2,138

    My view was we'd be in a better position to Leave if the EU moved in two distinct blocs, Eurozone and non Eurozone, with the Eurozone countries had full political union.
    Leaving like we are is fraught with disaster.

    Mr Eagles, it seems to me that, slowly, slowly, you are moving towards the Lib Dem position. Can this be?

  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Charles said:

    Andrea Leadsom vs Theresa May

    One has raised a children vs one who doesn't want them (she could have adopted)
    One voted leave vs one voted remain
    One has a personality vs one who doesn't
    One has worked in a proper job vs one who has always been a career politician.

    Theresa May cannot understand the stresses and strains of having children, doing chores and people who work in this country. Andrea Leadsom should have been elected leader against Theresa May.

    Theresa and Philip wanted children. It didn't happen for them, and I, for one, feel nothing but sympathy for them.

    I don't know Andrea but I do know a lot of people with a similar role which is fairly marginal in the scheme of things
    they could have adopted.

    Her career as a politician was more important. There are lots of men and women that don't enjoy sex and theresa may doesn't look like the kind of person who is up for it. And last time I checked if your not up for sex you can't get pregnant.
    You are coming across as not a very nice person.

    There was an interview in which it was quite clear it was something that she wanted and was still upset by.

    And lots of people don't adopt for all sorts of reasons.
  • Thorpe_BayThorpe_Bay Posts: 47
    HYUFD said:

    HaroldO said:

    Andrea Leadsom vs Theresa May

    One has raised a children vs one who doesn't want them (she could have adopted)
    One voted leave vs one voted remain
    One has a personality vs one who doesn't
    One has worked in a proper job vs one who has always been a career politician.

    Theresa May cannot understand the stresses and strains of having children, doing chores and people who work in this country. Andrea Leadsom should have been elected leader against Theresa May.

    Erm, your point one is just. Wow.
    Theresa May is not a normal human being.

    Most people in this country get married and have children and if they can't have children they adopt.

    Theresa May will never understand the stresses and strains of raising children. Living in a budget, sharing equally so all the children can have things to look forward, going on holiday and one of the kids gets ill. The sleepless nights, the worrying, the nights spent helping the kids with homework, teaching them to drive on a quiet road and worry about the next girlfriend/boyfriend they will bring home.

    She's a total disaster and the only people that like her are the hacks, she has zero personality, zero charisma and everything is wooden and scripted.

    She's the career politician.
    Sturgeon, Merkel, Salmond, Widdecombe, Davidson, Portillo, Heath etc also are/were childless
    Career politicians all wanted power rather than actually have a proper normal life.

    A job is a job but family is everything.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,783

    Charles said:

    Andrea Leadsom vs Theresa May

    One has raised a children vs one who doesn't want them (she could have adopted)
    One voted leave vs one voted remain
    One has a personality vs one who doesn't
    One has worked in a proper job vs one who has always been a career politician.

    Theresa May cannot understand the stresses and strains of having children, doing chores and people who work in this country. Andrea Leadsom should have been elected leader against Theresa May.

    Theresa and Philip wanted children. It didn't happen for them, and I, for one, feel nothing but sympathy for them.

    I don't know Andrea but I do know a lot of people with a similar role which is fairly marginal in the scheme of things
    they could have adopted.

    Her career as a politician was more important. There are lots of men and women that don't enjoy sex and theresa may doesn't look like the kind of person who is up for it. And last time I checked if your not up for sex you can't get pregnant.
    What a nasty post.
    Truth hurts.

    A heartless career politician whose life ambition was power.
    Anyway, what you don't seem to realise is that Andrea Leadsom seriously considered not having children, during the early planning for her solo mission to Mars.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,348

    Good afternoon, everyone.

    Mr. Eagles, you also wanted to leave. Only you wanted to wait 10 years for the EU to integrate more and *then* leave. Do you think things would've been easier then?

    Mr. JS, I've backed the blues for 350-374 seats at 7. If they get 375 it'll be like Monaco all over again.

    My view was we'd be in a better position to Leave if the EU moved in two distinct blocs, Eurozone and non Eurozone, with the Eurozone countries had full political union.

    Leaving like we are is fraught with disaster.

    You can't say you weren't warned.
    I fail to see how that would make things any easier. If the Eurozone core was more integrated then they'd have been even more able to just dictate terms of exit to us rather than being a mix of nations with different interests.
    We wouldn't have been the only ones leaving in those circumstances
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,951

    kyf_100 said:

    Mortimer said:

    Point of order, but why TMay?

    We don't us JCorbyn or TFarron. What is wrong is Mrs May, or even just May? Am I missing something

    Yes, May is the name of the Prime Minister, it is also a modal verb, and it is also the name of a month. Consider the confusion.of

    'May may call a May election'
    Grammar is your friend there though. May the name and may the adverb are spelt differently as one is spelt with a capital letter while the other is not. Only if you are starting a sentence with the adverb would that be spelt the same and it seems easier to avoid that than to mess around with fictionalised name variants.

    As for the month context is your friend there.

    Honestly for anyone who can read and write English properly I see no reason for confusion.
    Just checked. At some point this month Betfair renamed their "Next Prime Minister After May" market "Prime Minister after Theresa May". You can see how having a market like that up in the month of May is not a good idea.

    Side note: Radiohead are called Radiohead (after the Talking Heads song) because they used to be called On A Friday and people kept showing up to their gigs on fridays even when they weren't.
    So they made a good use of context rather than write TMay.
    People frequently put a slash through a numerical zero to differentiate it from an O.

    On a message board I see no reason not to abbreviate to TMay rather than have to double check every heat-of-the-moment comment for possible ambiguity in meaning. That Betfair market with 'PM after May' was up for months...
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Charles said:

    Andrea Leadsom vs Theresa May

    One has raised a children vs one who doesn't want them (she could have adopted)
    One voted leave vs one voted remain
    One has a personality vs one who doesn't
    One has worked in a proper job vs one who has always been a career politician.

    Theresa May cannot understand the stresses and strains of having children, doing chores and people who work in this country. Andrea Leadsom should have been elected leader against Theresa May.

    Theresa and Philip wanted children. It didn't happen for them, and I, for one, feel nothing but sympathy for them.

    I don't know Andrea but I do know a lot of people with a similar role which is fairly marginal in the scheme of things
    they could have adopted.

    Her career as a politician was more important. There are lots of men and women that don't enjoy sex and theresa may doesn't look like the kind of person who is up for it. And last time I checked if your not up for sex you can't get pregnant.
    What a nasty post.
    Truth hurts.

    A heartless career politician whose life ambition was power.
    Except its not true, as already mentioned the couple were married 17 years before she became an MP. I really don't want to get into discussing other people's sex lives.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,145

    HaroldO said:

    Andrea Leadsom vs Theresa May

    One has raised a children vs one who doesn't want them (she could have adopted)
    One voted leave vs one voted remain
    One has a personality vs one who doesn't
    One has worked in a proper job vs one who has always been a career politician.

    Theresa May cannot understand the stresses and strains of having children, doing chores and people who work in this country. Andrea Leadsom should have been elected leader against Theresa May.

    Erm, your point one is just. Wow.
    Theresa May is not a normal human being.

    Most people in this country get married and have children and if they can't have children they adopt.

    Theresa May will never understand the stresses and strains of raising children. Living in a budget, sharing equally so all the children can have things to look forward, going on holiday and one of the kids gets ill. The sleepless nights, the worrying, the nights spent helping the kids with homework, teaching them to drive on a quiet road and worry about the next girlfriend/boyfriend they will bring home.

    She's a total disaster and the only people that like her are the hacks, she has zero personality, zero charisma and everything is wooden and scripted.

    She's the career politician.
    Wow. And welcome.

    Good afternoon, everybody.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    HYUFD said:

    HaroldO said:

    Andrea Leadsom vs Theresa May

    One has raised a children vs one who doesn't want them (she could have adopted)
    One voted leave vs one voted remain
    One has a personality vs one who doesn't
    One has worked in a proper job vs one who has always been a career politician.

    Theresa May cannot understand the stresses and strains of having children, doing chores and people who work in this country. Andrea Leadsom should have been elected leader against Theresa May.

    Erm, your point one is just. Wow.
    Theresa May is not a normal human being.

    Most people in this country get married and have children and if they can't have children they adopt.

    Theresa May will never understand the stresses and strains of raising children. Living in a budget, sharing equally so all the children can have things to look forward, going on holiday and one of the kids gets ill. The sleepless nights, the worrying, the nights spent helping the kids with homework, teaching them to drive on a quiet road and worry about the next girlfriend/boyfriend they will bring home.

    She's a total disaster and the only people that like her are the hacks, she has zero personality, zero charisma and everything is wooden and scripted.

    She's the career politician.
    Sturgeon, Merkel, Salmond, Widdecombe, Davidson, Portillo, Heath etc also are/were childless
    Do you think Thatcher's children helped or hindered..,
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,348
    PClipp said:

    My view was we'd be in a better position to Leave if the EU moved in two distinct blocs, Eurozone and non Eurozone, with the Eurozone countries had full political union.
    Leaving like we are is fraught with disaster.

    Mr Eagles, it seems to me that, slowly, slowly, you are moving towards the Lib Dem position. Can this be?

    No. I'm a Democrat.

    Brexit must be respected and honoured.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905

    HYUFD said:

    Jason said:

    I'm amazed that PBers are now discussing which party would support Conservative or Labour in the event of a hung parliament.

    Who would support the Tories in the event of such a nightmare scenario? SNP - no. Green/Plaid - no. Fishfinger - maybe, but at what cost? Entering Brexit negotiations with FF chirping away about the single market and CU.

    No. None of it bears thinking about, and none of it chimes with reality.
    Unless the Tories can get over the line with the DUP I expect May would resign and the Tories go into opposition led by Boris or Davis in the event of a hung parliament. They would then let Corbyn, the, SNP and LDs do a soft Brexit deal with the EU keeping the UK in the single market and free movement unchecked and let Corbyn still manage to hit the economy and infuriate the white working class Leave voters who will clearly have stuck with Labour or gone from UKIP to Labour to get a hung parliament by leaving EU immigration unchecked and going soft on the borders elsewhere
    I don't understand why we are discussing this Theresa will get a bigger majority than she has now.
    (a) Because, just as in 2015, the agenda is being led by the results of educated (yet frequently inaccurate) guesses as to the actual state of public opinion, i.e. the polls
    (b) Feverish speculation over Hung Parliaments (again, as per last time) generates more interest than agreeing that one side has definitely won, and that it's merely a matter of whether the victory will be comfortable or crushing
  • CyanCyan Posts: 1,262
    edited May 2017
    Ishmael_Z said:

    Cyan said:

    Contrary to what Paul Staines ("Guido Fawkes") says, Hamas is NOT a proscribed organisation in Britain. Its al-Qassam brigades are, but it itself is not. (Source: the official Home Office list of proscribed organisations.) The PFLP is not banned either. (The PFLP-GC is banned, but that's a different organisation.) It is perfectly legal in Britain to work for either Hamas or the PFLP.

    Or the English Defence League. "not banned" is not a high bar.
    The difference is not one of degree. There is a very big difference of kind between

    a) aiding organisations that Tories and supporters of Israel dislike, which is lawful, and
    b) aiding proscribed organisations, which is a crime
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    HaroldO said:

    Andrea Leadsom vs Theresa May

    One has raised a children vs one who doesn't want them (she could have adopted)
    One voted leave vs one voted remain
    One has a personality vs one who doesn't
    One has worked in a proper job vs one who has always been a career politician.

    Theresa May cannot understand the stresses and strains of having children, doing chores and people who work in this country. Andrea Leadsom should have been elected leader against Theresa May.

    Erm, your point one is just. Wow.
    Theresa May is not a normal human being.

    Most people in this country get married and have children and if they can't have children they adopt.

    Theresa May will never understand the stresses and strains of raising children. Living in a budget, sharing equally so all the children can have things to look forward, going on holiday and one of the kids gets ill. The sleepless nights, the worrying, the nights spent helping the kids with homework, teaching them to drive on a quiet road and worry about the next girlfriend/boyfriend they will bring home.

    She's a total disaster and the only people that like her are the hacks, she has zero personality, zero charisma and everything is wooden and scripted.

    She's the career politician.
    Your last two paragraphs are totally correct. The rest, less said the better.

    However, you could have been more succinct. She comes across a cold, miserable, *****.
    That is what you really wanted to say, isn't it ?

  • Thorpe_BayThorpe_Bay Posts: 47
    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    Andrea Leadsom vs Theresa May

    One has raised a children vs one who doesn't want them (she could have adopted)
    One voted leave vs one voted remain
    One has a personality vs one who doesn't
    One has worked in a proper job vs one who has always been a career politician.

    Theresa May cannot understand the stresses and strains of having children, doing chores and people who work in this country. Andrea Leadsom should have been elected leader against Theresa May.

    Theresa and Philip wanted children. It didn't happen for them, and I, for one, feel nothing but sympathy for them.

    I don't know Andrea but I do know a lot of people with a similar role which is fairly marginal in the scheme of things
    they could have adopted.

    Her career as a politician was more important. There are lots of men and women that don't enjoy sex and theresa may doesn't look like the kind of person who is up for it. And last time I checked if your not up for sex you can't get pregnant.
    You are coming across as not a very nice person.

    There was an interview in which it was quite clear it was something that she wanted and was still upset by.

    And lots of people don't adopt for all sorts of reasons.
    If theresa may wanted children she would adopted like thousands of other parents. Her career was to important.

    Have you read the daily mail? the sun? daily telegraph? the rubbish they put in the press, presumptions, character assassinations, digging into peoples bins, turning up at funerals..the very press that love theresa may.

    Maybe the reason theresa may didnt want kids is because she doesnt like them just like cruella de vil who she looks like in a cartoon version.

    Perhaps that's why she never wants to debate anyone.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,107
    Ishmael_Z said:

    matt said:

    Sky really trying to sell tonight as make or break for both leaders. Unsurprisingly hyperbolic about their own show ;)

    Sky - never knowingly under-promoted.
    Sophy Ridge is a class act, mind.
    Sophy has done really well but the rest are poor and lack balance, in particular Faisal Islam who is Juncker's chief assistant.

    Sky have been way over the top today promoting their debate but how many will watch it compared to the BBC question time debate next week
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Good afternoon, everyone.

    Mr. Eagles, you also wanted to leave. Only you wanted to wait 10 years for the EU to integrate more and *then* leave. Do you think things would've been easier then?

    Mr. JS, I've backed the blues for 350-374 seats at 7. If they get 375 it'll be like Monaco all over again.

    My view was we'd be in a better position to Leave if the EU moved in two distinct blocs, Eurozone and non Eurozone, with the Eurozone countries had full political union.

    Leaving like we are is fraught with disaster.

    You can't say you weren't warned.
    I fail to see how that would make things any easier. If the Eurozone core was more integrated then they'd have been even more able to just dictate terms of exit to us rather than being a mix of nations with different interests.
    We wouldn't have been the only ones leaving in those circumstances
    What evidence do you have that the circumstances would ever arise that all nations would agree to leave at the same time? Sounds more likely that nations would start to drift off one by one as we are doing.

    It seems easier to be dealing with just our exit than dealing with multiple nations exits all at once.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981

    Charles said:

    Andrea Leadsom vs Theresa May

    One has raised a children vs one who doesn't want them (she could have adopted)
    One voted leave vs one voted remain
    One has a personality vs one who doesn't
    One has worked in a proper job vs one who has always been a career politician.

    Theresa May cannot understand the stresses and strains of having children, doing chores and people who work in this country. Andrea Leadsom should have been elected leader against Theresa May.

    Theresa and Philip wanted children. It didn't happen for them, and I, for one, feel nothing but sympathy for them.

    I don't know Andrea but I do know a lot of people with a similar role which is fairly marginal in the scheme of things
    they could have adopted.

    Her career as a politician was more important. There are lots of men and women that don't enjoy sex and theresa may doesn't look like the kind of person who is up for it. And last time I checked if your not up for sex you can't get pregnant.
    What a nasty post.
    Truth hurts.

    A heartless career politician whose life ambition was power.
    You speculate about sexless heterosexual marriages, and sinisterly "Thorpe" is part of your username. I think instead of projecting your neuroses onto innocent discussion sites, you should sit down with Mrs _Bay and your therapist, and really get to the bottom of the question why Mr Willy don't stand up straight no more.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,075
    Mr. Eagles, that supposes that we could leave in that manner. If not, it would've been far more difficult than it is now. I didn't, and don't, believe that to be a credible possibility.

    If I had, or if I believed the EU could reform rather than continually centralise and integrate, I would've voted to remain.
  • calumcalum Posts: 3,046
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    edited May 2017
    HYUFD said:

    Charles said:

    Andrea Leadsom vs Theresa May

    One has raised a children vs one who doesn't want them (she could have adopted)
    One voted leave vs one voted remain
    One has a personality vs one who doesn't
    One has worked in a proper job vs one who has always been a career politician.

    Theresa May cannot understand the stresses and strains of having children, doing chores and people who work in this country. Andrea Leadsom should have been elected leader against Theresa May.

    Theresa and Philip wanted children. It didn't happen for them, and I, for one, feel nothing but sympathy for them.

    I don't know Andrea but I do know a lot of people with a similar role which is fairly marginal in the scheme of things
    they could have adopted.

    Her career as a politician was more important. There are lots of men and women that don't enjoy sex and theresa may doesn't look like the kind of person who is up for it. And last time I checked if your not up for sex you can't get pregnant.
    At the Oxford Union in 1978 Theresa May argued against the motion 'sex is great but success is better'
    https://mobile.twitter.com/lfrayer/status/751107005872496640
    That sounds like a Farewell debate, which are always tongue in cheek

    Jo Cash and I once opposed the motion that "blondes have more fun"
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,683
    calum said:
    Pretty similar to yougov
  • Thorpe_BayThorpe_Bay Posts: 47
    Charles said:

    HYUFD said:

    HaroldO said:

    Andrea Leadsom vs Theresa May

    One has raised a children vs one who doesn't want them (she could have adopted)
    One voted leave vs one voted remain
    One has a personality vs one who doesn't
    One has worked in a proper job vs one who has always been a career politician.

    Theresa May cannot understand the stresses and strains of having children, doing chores and people who work in this country. Andrea Leadsom should have been elected leader against Theresa May.

    Erm, your point one is just. Wow.
    Theresa May is not a normal human being.

    Most people in this country get married and have children and if they can't have children they adopt.

    Theresa May will never understand the stresses and strains of raising children. Living in a budget, sharing equally so all the children can have things to look forward, going on holiday and one of the kids gets ill. The sleepless nights, the worrying, the nights spent helping the kids with homework, teaching them to drive on a quiet road and worry about the next girlfriend/boyfriend they will bring home.

    She's a total disaster and the only people that like her are the hacks, she has zero personality, zero charisma and everything is wooden and scripted.

    She's the career politician.
    Sturgeon, Merkel, Salmond, Widdecombe, Davidson, Portillo, Heath etc also are/were childless
    Do you think Thatcher's children helped or hindered..,
    Helped.

    Thatcher can look a mother in the eye and go "I understand the stresses and strains children bring."

    Theresa May cannot look any parent in the eye and say "I know how it feels".
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Charles said:

    HYUFD said:

    HaroldO said:

    Andrea Leadsom vs Theresa May

    One has raised a children vs one who doesn't want them (she could have adopted)
    One voted leave vs one voted remain
    One has a personality vs one who doesn't
    One has worked in a proper job vs one who has always been a career politician.

    Theresa May cannot understand the stresses and strains of having children, doing chores and people who work in this country. Andrea Leadsom should have been elected leader against Theresa May.

    Erm, your point one is just. Wow.
    Theresa May is not a normal human being.

    Most people in this country get married and have children and if they can't have children they adopt.

    Theresa May will never understand the stresses and strains of raising children. Living in a budget, sharing equally so all the children can have things to look forward, going on holiday and one of the kids gets ill. The sleepless nights, the worrying, the nights spent helping the kids with homework, teaching them to drive on a quiet road and worry about the next girlfriend/boyfriend they will bring home.

    She's a total disaster and the only people that like her are the hacks, she has zero personality, zero charisma and everything is wooden and scripted.

    She's the career politician.
    Sturgeon, Merkel, Salmond, Widdecombe, Davidson, Portillo, Heath etc also are/were childless
    Do you think Thatcher's children helped or hindered..,
    Carol was OK. On the other hand,...........
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,384
    Jesus wept. I've just caught the back end of Tezzie's Q&A. Every fecking answer was "Strong and Stable" "Coalition of Chaos".
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,348
    edited May 2017
    calum said:
    No, Someone broke the embargo.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    HYUFD said:

    calum said:
    Pretty similar to yougov
    Actually, you will probably find tonight that it is not fake. WE went through the tweet that wasn't this morning.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,107
    edited May 2017

    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    Andrea Leadsom vs Theresa May

    One has raised a children vs one who doesn't want them (she could have adopted)
    One voted leave vs one voted remain
    One has a personality vs one who doesn't
    One has worked in a proper job vs one who has always been a career politician.

    Theresa May cannot understand the stresses and strains of having children, doing chores and people who work in this country. Andrea Leadsom should have been elected leader against Theresa May.

    Theresa and Philip wanted children. It didn't happen for them, and I, for one, feel nothing but sympathy for them.

    I don't know Andrea but I do know a lot of people with a similar role which is fairly marginal in the scheme of things
    they could have adopted.

    Her career as a politician was more important. There are lots of men and women that don't enjoy sex and theresa may doesn't look like the kind of person who is up for it. And last time I checked if your not up for sex you can't get pregnant.
    You are coming across as not a very nice person.

    There was an interview in which it was quite clear it was something that she wanted and was still upset by.

    And lots of people don't adopt for all sorts of reasons.
    If theresa may wanted children she would adopted like thousands of other parents. Her career was to important.

    Have you read the daily mail? the sun? daily telegraph? the rubbish they put in the press, presumptions, character assassinations, digging into peoples bins, turning up at funerals..the very press that love theresa may.

    Maybe the reason theresa may didnt want kids is because she doesnt like them just like cruella de vil who she looks like in a cartoon version.

    Perhaps that's why she never wants to debate anyone.
    You are talking absolute nonsense and your words reflect more about your prejeudices than anything to do with Theresa May's struggle to have children. Sad
  • Thorpe_BayThorpe_Bay Posts: 47
    Ishmael_Z said:

    Charles said:

    Andrea Leadsom vs Theresa May

    One has raised a children vs one who doesn't want them (she could have adopted)
    One voted leave vs one voted remain
    One has a personality vs one who doesn't
    One has worked in a proper job vs one who has always been a career politician.

    Theresa May cannot understand the stresses and strains of having children, doing chores and people who work in this country. Andrea Leadsom should have been elected leader against Theresa May.

    Theresa and Philip wanted children. It didn't happen for them, and I, for one, feel nothing but sympathy for them.

    I don't know Andrea but I do know a lot of people with a similar role which is fairly marginal in the scheme of things
    they could have adopted.

    Her career as a politician was more important. There are lots of men and women that don't enjoy sex and theresa may doesn't look like the kind of person who is up for it. And last time I checked if your not up for sex you can't get pregnant.
    What a nasty post.
    Truth hurts.

    A heartless career politician whose life ambition was power.
    You speculate about sexless heterosexual marriages, and sinisterly "Thorpe" is part of your username. I think instead of projecting your neuroses onto innocent discussion sites, you should sit down with Mrs _Bay and your therapist, and really get to the bottom of the question why Mr Willy don't stand up straight no more.
    thorpe bay is the nicest borough of southend. its where hard-working people and business owners live to raise a family.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,075
    Miss JGP, good afternoon.

    Mr. T, worth noting this is the starting position of a negotiation.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,535
    SeanT said:

    calum said:
    It was "leaked early". But it hasn't been officially published or confirmed

    Who knows. Looks horribly believable to me!
    Maybe when May said she would only need to lose 6 MPs for Jezza to be PM, she actually meant 6 percent!
  • CyanCyan Posts: 1,262
    edited May 2017
    "Given JC’s record on Northern Ireland is it implausible to think that the DUP and other unionists would back him for number 10."

    Why is it? Once the troubles were over, the DUP were happy to work with men who had formerly been leading figures in the actual IRA. That's what peace is about in Northern Ireland. They'd have no problem working with a man who met Sinn Fein in the 1980s. They're not a bunch of Home Counties stockbroker belt Tories for whom "IRA" means "our latest tactic for punching Corbyn in his kidneys" and "someone you wouldn't want to invite to a garden party". It is to the credit of both Ian Paisley and Martin McGuinness that they worked together, but some Tories are so full of hate that they don't understand that. If the DUP still had a "we won't work with anyone who's ever supported Sinn Fein" attitude, people would still be shooting each other in Northern Ireland.

    image
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,941

    PClipp said:

    My view was we'd be in a better position to Leave if the EU moved in two distinct blocs, Eurozone and non Eurozone, with the Eurozone countries had full political union.
    Leaving like we are is fraught with disaster.

    Mr Eagles, it seems to me that, slowly, slowly, you are moving towards the Lib Dem position. Can this be?

    No. I'm a Democrat.

    Brexit must be respected and honoured.
    So, thanks Joe Public you have told us that by a small margin you'd like to Leave. The devil is in the detail and we'll see what we can come up with. When you see the result and tell us via opinion polls that you don't much like it - well I'm sorry you're stuck with it.
  • NormNorm Posts: 1,251
    HYUFD said:

    calum said:
    Pretty similar to yougov
    No change except Lab plus 3. Perhaps these are new voters, late registrations - any thoughts?
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,783

    Charles said:

    HYUFD said:

    HaroldO said:

    Andrea Leadsom vs Theresa May

    One has raised a children vs one who doesn't want them (she could have adopted)
    One voted leave vs one voted remain
    One has a personality vs one who doesn't
    One has worked in a proper job vs one who has always been a career politician.

    Theresa May cannot understand the stresses and strains of having children, doing chores and people who work in this country. Andrea Leadsom should have been elected leader against Theresa May.

    Erm, your point one is just. Wow.
    Theresa May is not a normal human being.

    Most people in this country get married and have children and if they can't have children they adopt.

    Theresa May will never understand the stresses and strains of raising children. Living in a budget, sharing equally so all the children can have things to look forward, going on holiday and one of the kids gets ill. The sleepless nights, the worrying, the nights spent helping the kids with homework, teaching them to drive on a quiet road and worry about the next girlfriend/boyfriend they will bring home.

    She's a total disaster and the only people that like her are the hacks, she has zero personality, zero charisma and everything is wooden and scripted.

    She's the career politician.
    Sturgeon, Merkel, Salmond, Widdecombe, Davidson, Portillo, Heath etc also are/were childless
    Do you think Thatcher's children helped or hindered..,
    Helped.

    Thatcher can look a mother in the eye and go "I understand the stresses and strains children bring."
    I saw a newspaper picture from the political campaign
    A woman was kissing a child, who was obviously in pain
    She spills with compassion, as that young child's
    Face in her hands she grips
    Can you imagine all that greed and avarice
    Coming down on that child's lips
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 29,469
    SeanT said:

    calum said:
    It was "leaked early". But it hasn't been officially published or confirmed

    Who knows. Looks horribly believable to me!
    Like all current polls add 3 or 4 to the Conservative figure and subtract 3 or 4 from Labour in order to create a little accuracy!
  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133

    HaroldO said:

    Andrea Leadsom vs Theresa May

    One has raised a children vs one who doesn't want them (she could have adopted)
    One voted leave vs one voted remain
    One has a personality vs one who doesn't
    One has worked in a proper job vs one who has always been a career politician.

    Theresa May cannot understand the stresses and strains of having children, doing chores and people who work in this country. Andrea Leadsom should have been elected leader against Theresa May.

    Erm, your point one is just. Wow.
    Theresa May is not a normal human being.

    Most people in this country get married and have children and if they can't have children they adopt.

    Theresa May will never understand the stresses and strains of raising children. Living in a budget, sharing equally so all the children can have things to look forward, going on holiday and one of the kids gets ill. The sleepless nights, the worrying, the nights spent helping the kids with homework, teaching them to drive on a quiet road and worry about the next girlfriend/boyfriend they will bring home.

    She's a total disaster and the only people that like her are the hacks, she has zero personality, zero charisma and everything is wooden and scripted.

    She's the career politician.

    "Most people in this country get married and have children and if they can't have children they adopt."

    WTAF?

    This idiot has obviously never tried to adopt.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    We need more polls to test out the merits of "likelihood to vote" vs "last election vote".

    That is what this election hinges on.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,075
    Mr. T, possible. We'll have to wait and see.
  • mattmatt Posts: 3,789
    Charles said:

    HYUFD said:

    HaroldO said:

    Andrea Leadsom vs Theresa May

    One has raised a children vs one who doesn't want them (she could have adopted)
    One voted leave vs one voted remain
    One has a personality vs one who doesn't
    One has worked in a proper job vs one who has always been a career politician.

    Theresa May cannot understand the stresses and strains of having children, doing chores and people who work in this country. Andrea Leadsom should have been elected leader against Theresa May.

    Erm, your point one is just. Wow.
    Theresa May is not a normal human being.

    Most people in this country get married and have children and if they can't have children they adopt.

    Theresa May will never understand the stresses and strains of raising children. Living in a budget, sharing equally so all the children can have things to look forward, going on holiday and one of the kids gets ill. The sleepless nights, the worrying, the nights spent helping the kids with homework, teaching them to drive on a quiet road and worry about the next girlfriend/boyfriend they will bring home.

    She's a total disaster and the only people that like her are the hacks, she has zero personality, zero charisma and everything is wooden and scripted.

    She's the career politician.
    Sturgeon, Merkel, Salmond, Widdecombe, Davidson, Portillo, Heath etc also are/were childless
    Do you think Thatcher's children helped or hindered..,
    Depends on your views on rescuing rallying drivers....
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,107

    Jesus wept. I've just caught the back end of Tezzie's Q&A. Every fecking answer was "Strong and Stable" "Coalition of Chaos".

    Brexit and chaos all the way to the 8th June now - Nicola said today she wanted a deal with labour to keep out the 'tories'
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,783
    Cyan said:

    "Given JC’s record on Northern Ireland is it implausible to think that the DUP and other unionists would back him for number 10."

    Why is it? Once the troubles were over, the DUP were happy to work with men who had formerly been leading figures in the actual IRA. They'd have no problem working with a man who met Sinn Fein in the 1980s. They're not a bunch of Home Counties stockbroker belt Tories for whom "IRA" means "our latest tactic for punching Corbyn in his kidneys".

    image

    I did try to warn them the Chuckle Brothers were there to be used.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,951
    edited May 2017

    PClipp said:

    My view was we'd be in a better position to Leave if the EU moved in two distinct blocs, Eurozone and non Eurozone, with the Eurozone countries had full political union.
    Leaving like we are is fraught with disaster.

    Mr Eagles, it seems to me that, slowly, slowly, you are moving towards the Lib Dem position. Can this be?

    No. I'm a Democrat.

    Brexit must be respected and honoured.
    So, thanks Joe Public you have told us that by a small margin you'd like to Leave. The devil is in the detail and we'll see what we can come up with. When you see the result and tell us via opinion polls that you don't much like it - well I'm sorry you're stuck with it.
    Yes, they are stuck with it. This risk was obvious to anyone before the referendum, and people voted accordingly.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Cyan said:

    "Given JC’s record on Northern Ireland is it implausible to think that the DUP and other unionists would back him for number 10."

    Why is it? Once the troubles were over, the DUP were happy to work with men who had formerly been leading figures in the actual IRA. That's what peace is about in Northern Ireland. They'd have no problem working with a man who met Sinn Fein in the 1980s. They're not a bunch of Home Counties stockbroker belt Tories for whom "IRA" means "our latest tactic for punching Corbyn in his kidneys" and "someone you wouldn't want to invite to a garden party". It is to the credit of both Ian Paisley and Martin McGuinness that they worked together, but some people are so full of hate that they don't understand that.

    image

    Good answer.
  • PClippPClipp Posts: 2,138

    PClipp said:

    My view was we'd be in a better position to Leave if the EU moved in two distinct blocs, Eurozone and non Eurozone, with the Eurozone countries had full political union. Leaving like we are is fraught with disaster.

    Mr Eagles, it seems to me that, slowly, slowly, you are moving towards the Lib Dem position. Can this be?
    No. I'm a Democrat. Brexit must be respected and honoured.
    So you are indeed moving towards the Lib Dem position. Respect the referendum, and think again about what it means (once Mrs May, Boris and Co have negotiated everything away).
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,348

    PClipp said:

    My view was we'd be in a better position to Leave if the EU moved in two distinct blocs, Eurozone and non Eurozone, with the Eurozone countries had full political union.
    Leaving like we are is fraught with disaster.

    Mr Eagles, it seems to me that, slowly, slowly, you are moving towards the Lib Dem position. Can this be?

    No. I'm a Democrat.

    Brexit must be respected and honoured.
    So, thanks Joe Public you have told us that by a small margin you'd like to Leave. The devil is in the detail and we'll see what we can come up with. When you see the result and tell us via opinion polls that you don't much like it - well I'm sorry you're stuck with it.
    Both Leave and Remain said Leaving would mean exiting the single market and the customs union.

    Joe Public knew that.

    That's what they're getting.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,727

    Charles said:

    Andrea Leadsom vs Theresa May

    One has raised a children vs one who doesn't want them (she could have adopted)
    One voted leave vs one voted remain
    One has a personality vs one who doesn't
    One has worked in a proper job vs one who has always been a career politician.

    Theresa May cannot understand the stresses and strains of having children, doing chores and people who work in this country. Andrea Leadsom should have been elected leader against Theresa May.

    Theresa and Philip wanted children. It didn't happen for them, and I, for one, feel nothing but sympathy for them.

    I don't know Andrea but I do know a lot of people with a similar role which is fairly marginal in the scheme of things
    they could have adopted.

    Her career as a politician was more important. There are lots of men and women that don't enjoy sex and theresa may doesn't look like the kind of person who is up for it. And last time I checked if your not up for sex you can't get pregnant.
    What a nasty post.
    At least he isn't claiming she's the mother of a "bastard".
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    Jesus wept. I've just caught the back end of Tezzie's Q&A. Every fecking answer was "Strong and Stable" "Coalition of Chaos".

    Brexit and chaos all the way to the 8th June now - Nicola said today she wanted a deal with labour to keep out the 'tories'
    This proves yet again that Nicola wants the Tories to win at Westminster. Obviously without the few extra MPs from Scotland.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,535
    SeanT said:

    PClipp said:

    My view was we'd be in a better position to Leave if the EU moved in two distinct blocs, Eurozone and non Eurozone, with the Eurozone countries had full political union.
    Leaving like we are is fraught with disaster.

    Mr Eagles, it seems to me that, slowly, slowly, you are moving towards the Lib Dem position. Can this be?

    No. I'm a Democrat.

    Brexit must be respected and honoured.
    So, thanks Joe Public you have told us that by a small margin you'd like to Leave. The devil is in the detail and we'll see what we can come up with. When you see the result and tell us via opinion polls that you don't much like it - well I'm sorry you're stuck with it.
    If the election result is anything like that Survation poll, then TMay is going to be prime minister for about 3 minutes, in a Hung Parliament, or with a tiny majority.

    Who knows what that will do to Brexit. I genuinely dunno
    Baxter gives this result a Con majority of 40.

    No popcorn or cigar, but certainly not pampers time.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,107
    I do wonder if Nicola is wanting the chaos theme as she wants a conservative government and it seems strange to make the statement of a progressive alliance with Corbyn in her interview from Lossiemouth today knowing the debates are tonight
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,348
    PClipp said:

    PClipp said:

    My view was we'd be in a better position to Leave if the EU moved in two distinct blocs, Eurozone and non Eurozone, with the Eurozone countries had full political union. Leaving like we are is fraught with disaster.

    Mr Eagles, it seems to me that, slowly, slowly, you are moving towards the Lib Dem position. Can this be?
    No. I'm a Democrat. Brexit must be respected and honoured.
    So you are indeed moving towards the Lib Dem position. Respect the referendum, and think again about what it means (once Mrs May, Boris and Co have negotiated everything away).
    Nope, what happens if the voters reject the deal?

    Do we re-run the referendum, stay, plus there's no guarantee that the EU will offer us a better deal.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,234
    Norm said:

    HYUFD said:

    calum said:
    Pretty similar to yougov
    No change except Lab plus 3. Perhaps these are new voters, late registrations - any thoughts?
    Probably a combination of switchers from 'don't know' and greater likelihood to vote claimed among Labour voters. Whether that actually happens we'll only know on June 9th.
  • JasonJason Posts: 1,614
    SeanT said:

    PClipp said:

    My view was we'd be in a better position to Leave if the EU moved in two distinct blocs, Eurozone and non Eurozone, with the Eurozone countries had full political union.
    Leaving like we are is fraught with disaster.

    Mr Eagles, it seems to me that, slowly, slowly, you are moving towards the Lib Dem position. Can this be?

    No. I'm a Democrat.

    Brexit must be respected and honoured.
    So, thanks Joe Public you have told us that by a small margin you'd like to Leave. The devil is in the detail and we'll see what we can come up with. When you see the result and tell us via opinion polls that you don't much like it - well I'm sorry you're stuck with it.
    If the election result is anything like that Survation poll, then TMay is going to be prime minister for about 3 minutes, in a Hung Parliament, or with a tiny majority.

    Who knows what that will do to Brexit. I genuinely dunno
    So who's correct - ICM or the others?
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    SeanT said:

    PClipp said:

    My view was we'd be in a better position to Leave if the EU moved in two distinct blocs, Eurozone and non Eurozone, with the Eurozone countries had full political union.
    Leaving like we are is fraught with disaster.

    Mr Eagles, it seems to me that, slowly, slowly, you are moving towards the Lib Dem position. Can this be?

    No. I'm a Democrat.

    Brexit must be respected and honoured.
    So, thanks Joe Public you have told us that by a small margin you'd like to Leave. The devil is in the detail and we'll see what we can come up with. When you see the result and tell us via opinion polls that you don't much like it - well I'm sorry you're stuck with it.
    If the election result is anything like that Survation poll, then TMay is going to be prime minister for about 3 minutes, in a Hung Parliament, or with a tiny majority.

    Who knows what that will do to Brexit. I genuinely dunno
    Baxter gives this result a Con majority of 40.

    No popcorn or cigar, but certainly not pampers time.
    I don't think UNS will work this time. Labour are now likely to win seats in London. So are the Lib Dems.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,408
    surbiton said:

    Cyan said:

    "Given JC’s record on Northern Ireland is it implausible to think that the DUP and other unionists would back him for number 10."

    Why is it? Once the troubles were over, the DUP were happy to work with men who had formerly been leading figures in the actual IRA. That's what peace is about in Northern Ireland. They'd have no problem working with a man who met Sinn Fein in the 1980s. They're not a bunch of Home Counties stockbroker belt Tories for whom "IRA" means "our latest tactic for punching Corbyn in his kidneys" and "someone you wouldn't want to invite to a garden party". It is to the credit of both Ian Paisley and Martin McGuinness that they worked together, but some people are so full of hate that they don't understand that.

    image

    Good answer.
    I quite agree with your answer. If Martin McGuinness is okay to work with - then surely JC is too? But Arlene Foster disagrees and - in a rather unfortunate choice of words - declared JC 'beyond the pale'.

    http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/arlene-foster-to-say-jeremy-corbyn-beyond-pale-for-past-support-of-republicans-35738878.html
  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    edited May 2017
    SeanT said:

    PClipp said:

    My view was we'd be in a better position to Leave if the EU moved in two distinct blocs, Eurozone and non Eurozone, with the Eurozone countries had full political union.
    Leaving like we are is fraught with disaster.

    Mr Eagles, it seems to me that, slowly, slowly, you are moving towards the Lib Dem position. Can this be?

    No. I'm a Democrat.

    Brexit must be respected and honoured.
    So, thanks Joe Public you have told us that by a small margin you'd like to Leave. The devil is in the detail and we'll see what we can come up with. When you see the result and tell us via opinion polls that you don't much like it - well I'm sorry you're stuck with it.
    If the election result is anything like that Survation poll, then TMay is going to be prime minister for about 3 minutes, in a Hung Parliament, or with a tiny majority.

    Who knows what that will do to Brexit. I genuinely dunno
    43% vote share would be a majority of 40+.
  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    T May doing a good job of pretending that the election is close - so as to get her supporters to turn out and not be complacent.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    SeanT said:

    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    Andrea Leadsom vs Theresa May

    One has raised a children vs one who doesn't want them (she could have adopted)
    One voted leave vs one voted remain
    One has a personality vs one who doesn't
    One has worked in a proper job vs one who has always been a career politician.

    Theresa May cannot understand the stresses and strains of having children, doing chores and people who work in this country. Andrea Leadsom should have been elected leader against Theresa May.

    Theresa and Philip wanted children. It didn't happen for them, and I, for one, feel nothing but sympathy for them.

    I don't know Andrea but I do know a lot of people with a similar role which is fairly marginal in the scheme of things
    they could have adopted.

    Her career as a politician was more important. There are lots of men and women that don't enjoy sex and theresa may doesn't look like the kind of person who is up for it. And last time I checked if your not up for sex you can't get pregnant.
    You are coming across as not a very nice person.

    There was an interview in which it was quite clear it was something that she wanted and was still upset by.

    And lots of people don't adopt for all sorts of reasons.
    Some friends of mine adopted and now, I suspect, bitterly regret it, though they are doing their absolute best for the kid, of course. These stories don't always end happily.
    I looked adopting a younger sib for Fox jr. It is not an easy process, and the kids that are most avaliable for adoption (indeed desperate for it) tend to be older, and often have had very disturbed backgrounds including interuterine alcohol and drug abuse. There is a rather romanticised notion that parental love can conquer all, but sadly that is not always the case. Around 10% of adoptions are so diastrous that the child winds up back in care, a disaster for all concerned.

    It can certainly work out well, and Fox jr has a close friend who was adopted and is a lovely young man, but it is not an easy road, either before or after arrival.

    I suspect TM would have mellowed with kids, as most of us do, but it has allowed her to sublimate those energies into a career like a number of other politicians. I don't like her for other reasons, but this is not something to hold against her. It was not her choice.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    PClipp said:

    My view was we'd be in a better position to Leave if the EU moved in two distinct blocs, Eurozone and non Eurozone, with the Eurozone countries had full political union.
    Leaving like we are is fraught with disaster.

    Mr Eagles, it seems to me that, slowly, slowly, you are moving towards the Lib Dem position. Can this be?

    No. I'm a Democrat.

    Brexit must be respected and honoured.
    So, thanks Joe Public you have told us that by a small margin you'd like to Leave. The devil is in the detail and we'll see what we can come up with. When you see the result and tell us via opinion polls that you don't much like it - well I'm sorry you're stuck with it.
    If the election result is anything like that Survation poll, then TMay is going to be prime minister for about 3 minutes, in a Hung Parliament, or with a tiny majority.

    Who knows what that will do to Brexit. I genuinely dunno
    Baxter gives this result a Con majority of 40.

    No popcorn or cigar, but certainly not pampers time.
    It's a 1 point Tory-Labour swing from a Hung Parliament. Incredible that it could be this close. If that happens she's gone.

    I'd like to see a poll taken since the IRA pounding, however.
    Those who were going to vote Tory in the evening, will now vote in the morning!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,348
    That sound you hear, is Kezia Dugdale and every Labour candidate in Scotland crying

    https://twitter.com/Mike_Blackley/status/869194789643800577
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,535
    surbiton said:

    SeanT said:

    PClipp said:

    My view was we'd be in a better position to Leave if the EU moved in two distinct blocs, Eurozone and non Eurozone, with the Eurozone countries had full political union.
    Leaving like we are is fraught with disaster.

    Mr Eagles, it seems to me that, slowly, slowly, you are moving towards the Lib Dem position. Can this be?

    No. I'm a Democrat.

    Brexit must be respected and honoured.
    So, thanks Joe Public you have told us that by a small margin you'd like to Leave. The devil is in the detail and we'll see what we can come up with. When you see the result and tell us via opinion polls that you don't much like it - well I'm sorry you're stuck with it.
    If the election result is anything like that Survation poll, then TMay is going to be prime minister for about 3 minutes, in a Hung Parliament, or with a tiny majority.

    Who knows what that will do to Brexit. I genuinely dunno
    Baxter gives this result a Con majority of 40.

    No popcorn or cigar, but certainly not pampers time.
    I don't think UNS will work this time. Labour are now likely to win seats in London. So are the Lib Dems.
    and then lose Bolsover.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,253
    surbiton said:
    Amazing what stories you can tell with a photograph, isn't it?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,348
    SeanT said:

    PClipp said:

    PClipp said:

    My view was we'd be in a better position to Leave if the EU moved in two distinct blocs, Eurozone and non Eurozone, with the Eurozone countries had full political union. Leaving like we are is fraught with disaster.

    Mr Eagles, it seems to me that, slowly, slowly, you are moving towards the Lib Dem position. Can this be?
    No. I'm a Democrat. Brexit must be respected and honoured.
    So you are indeed moving towards the Lib Dem position. Respect the referendum, and think again about what it means (once Mrs May, Boris and Co have negotiated everything away).
    Nope, what happens if the voters reject the deal?

    Do we re-run the referendum, stay, plus there's no guarantee that the EU will offer us a better deal.
    We'd have to re-run the referendum.
    And what happens if we vote to Leave, again?
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    SeanT said:

    PClipp said:

    My view was we'd be in a better position to Leave if the EU moved in two distinct blocs, Eurozone and non Eurozone, with the Eurozone countries had full political union.
    Leaving like we are is fraught with disaster.

    Mr Eagles, it seems to me that, slowly, slowly, you are moving towards the Lib Dem position. Can this be?

    No. I'm a Democrat.

    Brexit must be respected and honoured.
    So, thanks Joe Public you have told us that by a small margin you'd like to Leave. The devil is in the detail and we'll see what we can come up with. When you see the result and tell us via opinion polls that you don't much like it - well I'm sorry you're stuck with it.
    If the election result is anything like that Survation poll, then TMay is going to be prime minister for about 3 minutes, in a Hung Parliament, or with a tiny majority.

    Who knows what that will do to Brexit. I genuinely dunno
    43% vote share would be a majority of 40+.
    But the gap between Labour and the Tories is now reduced by 1%.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,941

    PClipp said:

    My view was we'd be in a better position to Leave if the EU moved in two distinct blocs, Eurozone and non Eurozone, with the Eurozone countries had full political union.
    Leaving like we are is fraught with disaster.

    Mr Eagles, it seems to me that, slowly, slowly, you are moving towards the Lib Dem position. Can this be?

    No. I'm a Democrat.

    Brexit must be respected and honoured.
    So, thanks Joe Public you have told us that by a small margin you'd like to Leave. The devil is in the detail and we'll see what we can come up with. When you see the result and tell us via opinion polls that you don't much like it - well I'm sorry you're stuck with it.
    Both Leave and Remain said Leaving would mean exiting the single market and the customs union.

    Joe Public knew that.

    That's what they're getting.
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-eu-referendum-single-market-brexit-a7104846.html
  • PatrickPatrick Posts: 225
    SeanT said:

    Jason said:

    SeanT said:

    PClipp said:

    My view was we'd be in a better position to Leave if the EU moved in two distinct blocs, Eurozone and non Eurozone, with the Eurozone countries had full political union.
    Leaving like we are is fraught with disaster.

    Mr Eagles, it seems to me that, slowly, slowly, you are moving towards the Lib Dem position. Can this be?

    No. I'm a Democrat.

    Brexit must be respected and honoured.
    So, thanks Joe Public you have told us that by a small margin you'd like to Leave. The devil is in the detail and we'll see what we can come up with. When you see the result and tell us via opinion polls that you don't much like it - well I'm sorry you're stuck with it.
    If the election result is anything like that Survation poll, then TMay is going to be prime minister for about 3 minutes, in a Hung Parliament, or with a tiny majority.

    Who knows what that will do to Brexit. I genuinely dunno
    So who's correct - ICM or the others?
    I've no idea. At all. Brexit seems to have changed everything. This election is sui generis.
    I think it was dementia tax that changed everything. The Tories were on a rock solid high 40s until their manifesto came out. Taking their core vote for granted.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,535

    That sound you hear, is Kezia Dugdale and every Labour candidate in Scotland crying

    https://twitter.com/Mike_Blackley/status/869194789643800577

    Is Jezza aware that the SNP are not actually a banned terrorist organization fighting for freedom from the West?
  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    Also, isn't Survation the one that polls UK rather than GB? That would make the two-party share implausible, to say the least.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    SeanT said:

    And the stuff on migration rights, non-EU spouses, etc, is explosive.

    I can't believe we need to say this again, but apparently we do.

    The EU position is that EU citizens should keep the rights that they (and we) currently have, and that UK citizens should be left with only the Brexit rights they voted for.

    This is what you voted for Sean. This is Brexit. It means having fewer rights as a citizen of the UK than as a citizen of the EU

    Maybe that should have been on the side of a bus...
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,348
    Ugh, ugh, ugh.

    I wonder if this is the sort of stuff Trump said to Merkel that has got the Germans so upset.

    https://twitter.com/Mike_Blackley/status/869194789643800577
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,712

    Good afternoon, everyone.

    Mr. Eagles, you also wanted to leave. Only you wanted to wait 10 years for the EU to integrate more and *then* leave. Do you think things would've been easier then?

    Mr. JS, I've backed the blues for 350-374 seats at 7. If they get 375 it'll be like Monaco all over again.

    My view was we'd be in a better position to Leave if the EU moved in two distinct blocs, Eurozone and non Eurozone, with the Eurozone countries had full political union.

    Leaving like we are is fraught with disaster.

    You can't say you weren't warned.
    Dave was offered the cor\noncore option

    he rejected it
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    PClipp said:

    My view was we'd be in a better position to Leave if the EU moved in two distinct blocs, Eurozone and non Eurozone, with the Eurozone countries had full political union.
    Leaving like we are is fraught with disaster.

    Mr Eagles, it seems to me that, slowly, slowly, you are moving towards the Lib Dem position. Can this be?

    No. I'm a Democrat.

    Brexit must be respected and honoured.
    So, thanks Joe Public you have told us that by a small margin you'd like to Leave. The devil is in the detail and we'll see what we can come up with. When you see the result and tell us via opinion polls that you don't much like it - well I'm sorry you're stuck with it.
    Both Leave and Remain said Leaving would mean exiting the single market and the customs union.

    Joe Public knew that.

    That's what they're getting.
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-eu-referendum-single-market-brexit-a7104846.html
    That is not correct. Boris said we will be in the single market. Dan Hannan was more explicit. He said we will be in the EEA.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,727
    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    PClipp said:

    My view was we'd be in a better position to Leave if the EU moved in two distinct blocs, Eurozone and non Eurozone, with the Eurozone countries had full political union.
    Leaving like we are is fraught with disaster.

    Mr Eagles, it seems to me that, slowly, slowly, you are moving towards the Lib Dem position. Can this be?

    No. I'm a Democrat.

    Brexit must be respected and honoured.
    So, thanks Joe Public you have told us that by a small margin you'd like to Leave. The devil is in the detail and we'll see what we can come up with. When you see the result and tell us via opinion polls that you don't much like it - well I'm sorry you're stuck with it.
    If the election result is anything like that Survation poll, then TMay is going to be prime minister for about 3 minutes, in a Hung Parliament, or with a tiny majority.

    Who knows what that will do to Brexit. I genuinely dunno
    Baxter gives this result a Con majority of 40.

    No popcorn or cigar, but certainly not pampers time.
    It's a 1 point Tory-Labour swing from a Hung Parliament. Incredible that it could be this close. If that happens she's gone.

    I'd like to see a poll taken since the IRA pounding, however.
    The higher the combined share for Con and Lab, the more likely that a small lead in votes gives a working majority.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,348

    PClipp said:

    My view was we'd be in a better position to Leave if the EU moved in two distinct blocs, Eurozone and non Eurozone, with the Eurozone countries had full political union.
    Leaving like we are is fraught with disaster.

    Mr Eagles, it seems to me that, slowly, slowly, you are moving towards the Lib Dem position. Can this be?

    No. I'm a Democrat.

    Brexit must be respected and honoured.
    So, thanks Joe Public you have told us that by a small margin you'd like to Leave. The devil is in the detail and we'll see what we can come up with. When you see the result and tell us via opinion polls that you don't much like it - well I'm sorry you're stuck with it.
    Both Leave and Remain said Leaving would mean exiting the single market and the customs union.

    Joe Public knew that.

    That's what they're getting.
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-eu-referendum-single-market-brexit-a7104846.html
    Access doesn't mean membershop
  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    edited May 2017

    SeanT said:

    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    Andrea Leadsom vs Theresa May

    One has raised a children vs one who doesn't want them (she could have adopted)
    One voted leave vs one voted remain
    One has a personality vs one who doesn't
    One has worked in a proper job vs one who has always been a career politician.

    Theresa May cannot understand the stresses and strains of having children, doing chores and people who work in this country. Andrea Leadsom should have been elected leader against Theresa May.

    Theresa and Philip wanted children. It didn't happen for them, and I, for one, feel nothing but sympathy for them.

    I don't know Andrea but I do know a lot of people with a similar role which is fairly marginal in the scheme of things
    they could have adopted.

    Her career as a politician was more important. There are lots of men and women that don't enjoy sex and theresa may doesn't look like the kind of person who is up for it. And last time I checked if your not up for sex you can't get pregnant.
    You are coming across as not a very nice person.

    There was an interview in which it was quite clear it was something that she wanted and was still upset by.

    And lots of people don't adopt for all sorts of reasons.
    Some friends of mine adopted and now, I suspect, bitterly regret it, though they are doing their absolute best for the kid, of course. These stories don't always end happily.
    I looked adopting a younger sib for Fox jr. It is not an easy process, and the kids that are most avaliable for adoption (indeed desperate for it) tend to be older, and often have had very disturbed backgrounds including interuterine alcohol and drug abuse. There is a rather romanticised notion that parental love can conquer all, but sadly that is not always the case. Around 10% of adoptions are so diastrous that the child winds up back in care, a disaster for all concerned.

    It can certainly work out well, and Fox jr has a close friend who was adopted and is a lovely young man, but it is not an easy road, either before or after arrival.

    I suspect TM would have mellowed with kids, as most of us do, but it has allowed her to sublimate those energies into a career like a number of other politicians. I don't like her for other reasons, but this is not something to hold against her. It was not her choice.
    These days, if you're a white couple, it's virtually impossible to adopt for the first time in large parts of the country.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,107

    That sound you hear, is Kezia Dugdale and every Labour candidate in Scotland crying

    https://twitter.com/Mike_Blackley/status/869194789643800577

    That could be that. For Corbyn to announce that on the same day Nicola says she is seeking a progressive alliance is unbelievable.

    What a gift to Theresa May
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,770
    edited May 2017

    Andrea Leadsom vs Theresa May

    One has raised a children vs one who doesn't want them (she could have adopted)
    One voted leave vs one voted remain
    One has a personality vs one who doesn't
    One has worked in a proper job vs one who has always been a career politician.

    Theresa May cannot understand the stresses and strains of having children, doing chores and people who work in this country. Andrea Leadsom should have been elected leader against Theresa May.

    If Andrea Leadsom were the Tory leader we would either already have a Corbyn government or be about to elect one. May is no great shakes; Leadsom is and was a walking, talking disaster area. The fact that she is in the cabinet shows just how poor the cabinet is.

    As for May having children; it did not happen, for whatever reason, and is totally irrelevant to everything. That is a personal matter for her and her husband, and totally off limits.

  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    SeanT said:

    PClipp said:

    PClipp said:

    My view was we'd be in a better position to Leave if the EU moved in two distinct blocs, Eurozone and non Eurozone, with the Eurozone countries had full political union. Leaving like we are is fraught with disaster.

    Mr Eagles, it seems to me that, slowly, slowly, you are moving towards the Lib Dem position. Can this be?
    No. I'm a Democrat. Brexit must be respected and honoured.
    So you are indeed moving towards the Lib Dem position. Respect the referendum, and think again about what it means (once Mrs May, Boris and Co have negotiated everything away).
    Nope, what happens if the voters reject the deal?

    Do we re-run the referendum, stay, plus there's no guarantee that the EU will offer us a better deal.
    We'd have to re-run the referendum.
    How? Remain is no longer an option.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981

    PClipp said:

    My view was we'd be in a better position to Leave if the EU moved in two distinct blocs, Eurozone and non Eurozone, with the Eurozone countries had full political union.
    Leaving like we are is fraught with disaster.

    Mr Eagles, it seems to me that, slowly, slowly, you are moving towards the Lib Dem position. Can this be?

    No. I'm a Democrat.

    Brexit must be respected and honoured.
    So, thanks Joe Public you have told us that by a small margin you'd like to Leave. The devil is in the detail and we'll see what we can come up with. When you see the result and tell us via opinion polls that you don't much like it - well I'm sorry you're stuck with it.
    Snob. You like anyone else are a member of Joe Public, and not obviously better-informed or more intelligent than the median. This is a democracy. You think it is a bug of democracy that thick proles get to vote. It isn't, it's a feature - indeed THE feature. If you want to bitch about the result, start by telling us how much time you invested in campaigning/canvassing for Remain last June. To the nearest 50 hours is fine.
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