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imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » TMay’s much repeated assertion that Corbyn becomes PM if CON loses 6 seats doesn’t stand up to scrutiny

@MSmithsonPB IF she lost 6 seats, AND Sinn Fein took its seats AND DUP, UUP & Sylvia Hermon backed Corbyn, he STILL cdn't become PM because @JWoodcockMP

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  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,288
    edited May 2017
    First!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,345
    Yes, Dave and George bequeathed her a huge cushion-cum-firewall
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    Be brave all Tories!

    We are still going to win!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,345
    Although I can understand Mrs May's rhetoric, we're only one more Nick Timothy screw up for Corbyn becoming PM.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,383
    I can't believe that May would say anything that wasn't 100% accurate.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,158
    Point of order, but why TMay?

    We don't us JCorbyn or TFarron. What is wrong is Mrs May, or even just May? Am I missing something
  • brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352

    Yes, Dave and George bequeathed her a huge cushion-cum-firewall

    I thought he preferred pig's heads?
  • perdixperdix Posts: 1,806
    FPT - re Don Brind's quote from Sylvester that May's style would be bad for Brexit negotiations. She will have a significant team around her, not least the Three Brexiteers. Enough pontifications from armchair politicians.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,345
    Mortimer said:

    Point of order, but why TMay?

    We don't us JCorbyn or TFarron. What is wrong is Mrs May, or even just May? Am I missing something

    Yes, May is the name of the Prime Minister, it is also a modal verb, and it is also the name of a month. Consider the confusion.of

    'May may call a May election'
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,345

    Yes, Dave and George bequeathed her a huge cushion-cum-firewall

    I thought he preferred pig's heads?
    Lies from a man with beef with Cameron/the worst pollster in modern British history.
  • JasonJason Posts: 1,614

    Although I can understand Mrs May's rhetoric, we're only one more Nick Timothy screw up for Corbyn becoming PM.

    I wonder if Crosby has been given complete control now. He should have had it right from the very beginning. There would have been no social care and no WFP furore, and the Tories would be heading for a landslide.

    They still might if Corbyn's Army of the Bribed don't turn up, and even if they do, is there any efficiency in their vote? I say not.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,635
    edited May 2017
    The idea that the Parlimanetary Labour party wouldn't fall in behind Corbyn if he somehow pulled off an unlikely win is for the birds.

    Their lack of support was precisely because they thought he'd probably cost them their seats. A vote for Labour this time round is a vote for Corbyn, @Southam_Observer realises this; hopefully others will too.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,345
    The fact we're having to discuss this tells you how shambolic this Tory campaign has been so far.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,158

    Mortimer said:

    Point of order, but why TMay?

    We don't us JCorbyn or TFarron. What is wrong is Mrs May, or even just May? Am I missing something

    Yes, May is the name of the Prime Minister, it is also a modal verb, and it is also the name of a month. Consider the confusion.of

    'May may call a May election'
    True - but wouldn't the rare occasions that is a problem be ameliorated by using Mrs? For example in each case in this header it is unnecessary to use TMay.

    I know I'm being pedantic - but it scans awfully...
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,158

    The fact we're having to discuss this tells you how shambolic this Tory campaign has been so far.

    So shambolic that it is going to lead to a Tory majority of c.100...
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,941
    Theresa May challenging Diane Abbott in being bad at arithmetic.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,712

    The fact we're having to discuss this tells you how shambolic this Tory campaign has been so far.

    pasty tax
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,345
    SeanT said:

    perdix said:

    FPT - re Don Brind's quote from Sylvester that May's style would be bad for Brexit negotiations. She will have a significant team around her, not least the Three Brexiteers. Enough pontifications from armchair politicians.

    I don't think there are going to be any negotiations. The shit is gonna hit the fan on June 11th, and the fan is going to fall to the floor, hitting a cleaner on the head, who goes mental from the impact and jumps out of the window, into a pile of shit.

    The EU wants a moon on a stick, and it wants us to pay £100bn for the stick, and another trillion for the moon.

    Prediction: the talks will end in failure very quick.

    Short sterling.
    Don't worry, German car manufacturers will force Merkel to give us a good deal.

    That's what you Leavers kept on telling us.
  • FerdecheFerdeche Posts: 9
    edited May 2017
    It did happen in Leeds NW though. Caveats in extremis for sure, but the current polling for the LDs is not far away from their 2015 national poll result.

    I believe Labour will win the seat, but that Mulholland will not suffer a massive loss as you are suggesting (?). The initial premise of this was that Otley was a natural Tory area. That is only true as a notion. In 2015 a lot of Tories held their noses to vote LD. The greater the threat of a Labour win, the more likely that will be - I just don't think it will be quite enough this time compared to the Labour increase.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,345

    The fact we're having to discuss this tells you how shambolic this Tory campaign has been so far.

    pasty tax
    That wasn't during a general election campaign.

    I remember the good old days when a Tory election disaster was when the PM forgot which football team he supported.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,635
    @Ferdeche Can you sort the blockquotes ?
  • FerdecheFerdeche Posts: 9
    Pulpstar said:

    @Ferdeche Can you sort the blockquotes ?

    Yeah sorry - bolloxed that one!
  • JonWCJonWC Posts: 288
    SeanT said:

    perdix said:

    FPT - re Don Brind's quote from Sylvester that May's style would be bad for Brexit negotiations. She will have a significant team around her, not least the Three Brexiteers. Enough pontifications from armchair politicians.

    I don't think there are going to be any negotiations. The shit is gonna hit the fan on June 11th, and the fan is going to fall to the floor, hitting a cleaner on the head, who goes mental from the impact and jumps out of the window, into a pile of shit.

    The EU wants a moon on a stick, and it wants us to pay £100bn for the stick, and another trillion for the moon.

    Prediction: the talks will end in failure very quick.

    Short sterling.
    Think that is right.. though probably best to wait for the relief rally on 9th June to sell. The danger for the UK is that GBP starts rising back too quickly for the necessary rebalancing of our UK economy to have properly happened after clean Brexit, most likely as a result of some Euroland disaster or other. Italy would be my tip for the first domino, as it has been for the past 18 years..
  • JasonJason Posts: 1,614

    The fact we're having to discuss this tells you how shambolic this Tory campaign has been so far.

    pasty tax
    That wasn't during a general election campaign.

    I remember the good old days when a Tory election disaster was when the PM forgot which football team he supported.
    You're an intelligent fella, TSE (and a supremely sly one as well). Why don't you offer your services to CCHQ? A mixture of intelligent and sly is what an election campaign needs, right?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,682
    SeanT said:

    perdix said:

    FPT - re Don Brind's quote from Sylvester that May's style would be bad for Brexit negotiations. She will have a significant team around her, not least the Three Brexiteers. Enough pontifications from armchair politicians.

    I don't think there are going to be any negotiations. The shit is gonna hit the fan on June 11th, and the fan is going to fall to the floor, hitting a cleaner on the head, who goes mental from the impact and jumps out of the window, into a pile of shit.

    The EU wants a moon on a stick, and it wants us to pay £100bn for the stick, and another trillion for the moon.

    Prediction: the talks will end in failure very quick.

    Short sterling.
    There are 2 years worth of talks, this year will be tough but by this time next year Beppe Grillo may be Italian PM and demanding more flexibility from Germany if Italy is to stay in the Eurozone and the EU will be more under pressure and prepared to be a bit more open to negotiation. However we must be prepared for WTO terms and if the voters give the Tories a majority they know that is a risk, only a hung parliament now will ensure soft Brexit, though if the Tory majority is under 100 May knows she also has to be open to compromise as that is no big mandate for hard Brexit either
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,180
    Twould be a coalition of chaos - with Corbyn and Sturgeon tweaking one each of Farron's balls.
  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133

    Yes, Dave and George bequeathed her a huge cushion-cum-firewall

    I thought he preferred pig's heads?
    Lies from a man with beef with Cameron/the worst pollster in modern British history.
    Angus Reid?
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,941
    JonWC said:

    SeanT said:

    perdix said:

    FPT - re Don Brind's quote from Sylvester that May's style would be bad for Brexit negotiations. She will have a significant team around her, not least the Three Brexiteers. Enough pontifications from armchair politicians.

    I don't think there are going to be any negotiations. The shit is gonna hit the fan on June 11th, and the fan is going to fall to the floor, hitting a cleaner on the head, who goes mental from the impact and jumps out of the window, into a pile of shit.

    The EU wants a moon on a stick, and it wants us to pay £100bn for the stick, and another trillion for the moon.

    Prediction: the talks will end in failure very quick.

    Short sterling.
    Think that is right.. though probably best to wait for the relief rally on 9th June to sell. The danger for the UK is that GBP starts rising back too quickly for the necessary rebalancing of our UK economy to have properly happened after clean Brexit, most likely as a result of some Euroland disaster or other. Italy would be my tip for the first domino, as it has been for the past 18 years..
    "clean Brexit" - worst euphemism ever.
  • PaulMPaulM Posts: 613
    The 99 is even more misleading though

    The SNP, SDLP and Greens would certainly support Corbyn

    The Shinners have already said last time that there are scenarios where they would be open to voting in a confidence motion
    Leanne Wood would have Plaid vote Corbyn

    The Lib Dems could be bought every time for PR

    Agree the Ulster Unionists would be uphill for Corbyn, but more money and power for the NI Assembly could help them along.

  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,230

    The fact we're having to discuss this tells you how shambolic this Tory campaign has been so far.

    pasty tax
    What ever happened to him?

    Got a job on a free-sheet I heard?
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    edited May 2017

    Mortimer said:

    Point of order, but why TMay?

    We don't us JCorbyn or TFarron. What is wrong is Mrs May, or even just May? Am I missing something

    Yes, May is the name of the Prime Minister, it is also a modal verb, and it is also the name of a month. Consider the confusion.of

    'May may call a May election'
    Grammar is your friend there though. May the name and may the adverb are spelt differently as one is spelt with a capital letter while the other is not. Only if you are starting a sentence with the adverb would that be spelt the same and it seems easier to avoid that than to mess around with fictionalised name variants.

    As for the month context is your friend there.

    Honestly for anyone who can read and write English properly I see no reason for confusion.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,345
    Jason said:

    The fact we're having to discuss this tells you how shambolic this Tory campaign has been so far.

    pasty tax
    That wasn't during a general election campaign.

    I remember the good old days when a Tory election disaster was when the PM forgot which football team he supported.
    You're an intelligent fella, TSE (and a supremely sly one as well). Why don't you offer your services to CCHQ? A mixture of intelligent and sly is what an election campaign needs, right?
    1) They couldn't afford me
    2) Literally I'm not Mrs May's Christmas card list, I used to get one from her predecessor
    3) I'm recklessly honest, which gets me in trouble
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,345

    Yes, Dave and George bequeathed her a huge cushion-cum-firewall

    I thought he preferred pig's heads?
    Lies from a man with beef with Cameron/the worst pollster in modern British history.
    Angus Reid?
    Lord Ashcroft.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,682
    PaulM said:

    The 99 is even more misleading though

    The SNP, SDLP and Greens would certainly support Corbyn

    The Shinners have already said last time that there are scenarios where they would be open to voting in a confidence motion
    Leanne Wood would have Plaid vote Corbyn

    The Lib Dems could be bought every time for PR

    Agree the Ulster Unionists would be uphill for Corbyn, but more money and power for the NI Assembly could help them along.

    The DUP could lose both their seats to the DUP and SF respectively. Though I agree the only votes the Tories can count on are the DUP given UKIP will likely lose their 1 seat and not gain another
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    PaulM said:

    The 99 is even more misleading though

    The SNP, SDLP and Greens would certainly support Corbyn

    The Shinners have already said last time that there are scenarios where they would be open to voting in a confidence motion
    Leanne Wood would have Plaid vote Corbyn

    The Lib Dems could be bought every time for PR

    Agree the Ulster Unionists would be uphill for Corbyn, but more money and power for the NI Assembly could help them along.

    There are no circumstances in which the DUP would prop up Corbyn
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,635
    edited May 2017
    Ferdeche said:

    It did happen in Leeds NW though. Caveats in extremis for sure, but the current polling for the LDs is not far away from their 2015 national poll result.

    I believe Labour will win the seat, but that Mulholland will not suffer a massive loss as you are suggesting (?). The initial premise of this was that Otley was a natural Tory area. That is only true as a notion. In 2015 a lot of Tories held their noses to vote LD. The greater the threat of a Labour win, the more likely that will be - I just don't think it will be quite enough this time compared to the Labour increase.

    My model has it very close between Labour and the Lib Dems. The lack of any sort of Lib Dem air war probably means the Tories gain a few votes in Otley from Mulholland, and the green Headingley squeeze by Labour does for Mulholland (To Labour)
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256

    SeanT said:

    perdix said:

    FPT - re Don Brind's quote from Sylvester that May's style would be bad for Brexit negotiations. She will have a significant team around her, not least the Three Brexiteers. Enough pontifications from armchair politicians.

    I don't think there are going to be any negotiations. The shit is gonna hit the fan on June 11th, and the fan is going to fall to the floor, hitting a cleaner on the head, who goes mental from the impact and jumps out of the window, into a pile of shit.

    The EU wants a moon on a stick, and it wants us to pay £100bn for the stick, and another trillion for the moon.

    Prediction: the talks will end in failure very quick.

    Short sterling.
    Don't worry, German car manufacturers will force Merkel to give us a good deal.

    That's what you Leavers kept on telling us.
    image
  • EssexitEssexit Posts: 1,963
    Broadly right but I trust Tim Farron about as far as I could throw him.

    Hint: I don't go to the gym.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,712

    The fact we're having to discuss this tells you how shambolic this Tory campaign has been so far.

    pasty tax
    That wasn't during a general election campaign.

    I remember the good old days when a Tory election disaster was when the PM forgot which football team he supported.
    Ah yes that well oiled faultless Osborne elction machine

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/09/labour-takes-lead-in-opinion-polls-general-election-2015
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256

    Honestly for anyone who can read and write English properly ...

    Therein lies the problem :D
  • glwglw Posts: 10,005
    Mortimer said:

    The fact we're having to discuss this tells you how shambolic this Tory campaign has been so far.

    So shambolic that it is going to lead to a Tory majority of c.100...
    It's ridiculous to call it shambolic when the Tory vote had barely moved, and I'm no fan of May. As I keep saying if any party is having a bad campaign it is the Lib Dems, "the 48%" haven't turned up. That's by far the story of the election so far, not Dementia Tax or Corbyn's IRA links, but the Brexit election where Brexit is being all but ignored.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,345

    The fact we're having to discuss this tells you how shambolic this Tory campaign has been so far.

    pasty tax
    That wasn't during a general election campaign.

    I remember the good old days when a Tory election disaster was when the PM forgot which football team he supported.
    Ah yes that well oiled faultless Osborne elction machine

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/09/labour-takes-lead-in-opinion-polls-general-election-2015
    Ignore the public polling which were wrong.

    Find me a report from 2015 where Sir Lynton Crosby criticises the Tory campaign like has done today with the 2017 campaign.
  • JasonJason Posts: 1,614
    PaulM said:

    The 99 is even more misleading though

    The SNP, SDLP and Greens would certainly support Corbyn

    The Shinners have already said last time that there are scenarios where they would be open to voting in a confidence motion
    Leanne Wood would have Plaid vote Corbyn

    The Lib Dems could be bought every time for PR

    Agree the Ulster Unionists would be uphill for Corbyn, but more money and power for the NI Assembly could help them along.

    So theoretically, Labour could form a Grand Coaltion of Chaos with Janette Krankie's brigade, Plaid, SDLP, possibly Sinn Fein (oh the irony of that!), Green, Limp Dim - but this would still require the Tories to lose plenty of seats?

    Just imagine that nightmarish coalition. Held together by a 68 year old man who failed his A levels and doffs his cap to terrorists. Jesus wept.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,682
    edited May 2017
    felix said:

    Twould be a coalition of chaos - with Corbyn and Sturgeon tweaking one each of Farron's balls.

    If it is a hung parliament and with the SNP likely losing seats Farron would probably be kingmaker which would be ironic given his supposedly poor campaign, he would likely demand single market membership and free movement and PR as the price for his support so most likely only Corbyn could give it
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,383
    I'm amazed that PBers are now discussing which party would support Conservative or Labour in the event of a hung parliament.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,345

    Mortimer said:

    Point of order, but why TMay?

    We don't us JCorbyn or TFarron. What is wrong is Mrs May, or even just May? Am I missing something

    Yes, May is the name of the Prime Minister, it is also a modal verb, and it is also the name of a month. Consider the confusion.of

    'May may call a May election'
    Grammar is your friend there though. May the name and may the adverb are spelt differently as one is spelt with a capital letter while the other is not. Only if you are starting a sentence with the adverb would that be spelt the same and it seems easier to avoid that than to mess around with fictionalised name variants.

    As for the month context is your friend there.

    Honestly for anyone who can read and write English properly I see no reason for confusion.
    I love my grammar.

    We've used EdM in the past, BoJo etc for brevity in URLs and headlines shortness.
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,951

    Mortimer said:

    Point of order, but why TMay?

    We don't us JCorbyn or TFarron. What is wrong is Mrs May, or even just May? Am I missing something

    Yes, May is the name of the Prime Minister, it is also a modal verb, and it is also the name of a month. Consider the confusion.of

    'May may call a May election'
    Grammar is your friend there though. May the name and may the adverb are spelt differently as one is spelt with a capital letter while the other is not. Only if you are starting a sentence with the adverb would that be spelt the same and it seems easier to avoid that than to mess around with fictionalised name variants.

    As for the month context is your friend there.

    Honestly for anyone who can read and write English properly I see no reason for confusion.
    Just checked. At some point this month Betfair renamed their "Next Prime Minister After May" market "Prime Minister after Theresa May". You can see how having a market like that up in the month of May is not a good idea.

    Side note: Radiohead are called Radiohead (after the Talking Heads song) because they used to be called On A Friday and people kept showing up to their gigs on fridays even when they weren't.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,712

    The fact we're having to discuss this tells you how shambolic this Tory campaign has been so far.

    pasty tax
    That wasn't during a general election campaign.

    I remember the good old days when a Tory election disaster was when the PM forgot which football team he supported.
    Ah yes that well oiled faultless Osborne elction machine

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/09/labour-takes-lead-in-opinion-polls-general-election-2015
    Ignore the public polling which were wrong.

    Find me a report from 2015 where Sir Lynton Crosby criticises the Tory campaign like has done today with the 2017 campaign.
    oh really can I be arsed ?

    his comments post 2015 were scarcely complimentary and all of this on a background where on current figures May will increase the conservative majority to levels Cameron could never reach and see a revival in Scotland

    if Cameron hadnt spent so much time pissing off his own supporters hed have had a landslide in 2015

  • JasonJason Posts: 1,614
    SA slaughtering England. Ppppfffff.
  • JasonJason Posts: 1,614
    Hashish Amla.
  • FerdecheFerdeche Posts: 9
    Pulpstar said:

    Ferdeche said:

    It did happen in Leeds NW though. Caveats in extremis for sure, but the current polling for the LDs is not far away from their 2015 national poll result.

    I believe Labour will win the seat, but that Mulholland will not suffer a massive loss as you are suggesting (?). The initial premise of this was that Otley was a natural Tory area. That is only true as a notion. In 2015 a lot of Tories held their noses to vote LD. The greater the threat of a Labour win, the more likely that will be - I just don't think it will be quite enough this time compared to the Labour increase.

    My model has it very close between Labour and the Lib Dems. The lack of any sort of Lib Dem air war probably means the Tories gain a few votes in Otley from Mulholland, and the green Headingley squeeze by Labour does for Mulholland (To Labour)
    I'm not sure about the LD > Con part, but the rest I agree with.

    The Tory set up in the area is weak - they usually have to draft candidates in from elsewhere (Wetherby this time, Skipton previously). Brexit may have changed that through, obviously.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited May 2017
    O/T

    Shoreham-by-Sea residents shocked by arrest of young Libyan training to be a pilot at the local airport:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/28/arrest-made-police-investigating-manchester-atrocity2/
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,345

    I'm amazed that PBers are now discussing which party would support Conservative or Labour in the event of a hung parliament.

    Only two Tory moods.

    Absolutely complacency or blind panic.
  • JasonJason Posts: 1,614

    I'm amazed that PBers are now discussing which party would support Conservative or Labour in the event of a hung parliament.

    Who would support the Tories in the event of such a nightmare scenario? SNP - no. Green/Plaid - no. Fishfinger - maybe, but at what cost? Entering Brexit negotiations with FF chirping away about the single market and CU.

    No. None of it bears thinking about, and none of it chimes with reality.
  • TudorRoseTudorRose Posts: 1,683
    kyf_100 said:

    Mortimer said:

    Point of order, but why TMay?

    We don't us JCorbyn or TFarron. What is wrong is Mrs May, or even just May? Am I missing something

    Yes, May is the name of the Prime Minister, it is also a modal verb, and it is also the name of a month. Consider the confusion.of

    'May may call a May election'
    Grammar is your friend there though. May the name and may the adverb are spelt differently as one is spelt with a capital letter while the other is not. Only if you are starting a sentence with the adverb would that be spelt the same and it seems easier to avoid that than to mess around with fictionalised name variants.

    As for the month context is your friend there.

    Honestly for anyone who can read and write English properly I see no reason for confusion.
    Just checked. At some point this month Betfair renamed their "Next Prime Minister After May" market "Prime Minister after Theresa May". You can see how having a market like that up in the month of May is not a good idea.

    Side note: Radiohead are called Radiohead (after the Talking Heads song) because they used to be called On A Friday and people kept showing up to their gigs on fridays even when they weren't.
    TMay sounds like a rapper.
  • JasonJason Posts: 1,614
    edited May 2017

    I'm amazed that PBers are now discussing which party would support Conservative or Labour in the event of a hung parliament.

    Only two Tory moods.

    Absolutely complacency or blind panic.
    This is where the Lefties seem to have an advantage over us Tories. They remain chipper regardless of circumstances, because they are led by their hearts instead of their brains.

    Not too disimilar from Liverpool fans.
  • Thorpe_BayThorpe_Bay Posts: 47
    http://www.conservativehome.com/platform/2017/05/andrea-leadsom-brexit-can-let-us-give-british-agriculture-a-better-deal.html

    The woman I wanted to run the Tory party. Perhaps had we let the democrat process playout and members had the opportunity to choose their leader, we might have more tories in the party tent.
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,464
    kyf_100 said:

    Mortimer said:

    Point of order, but why TMay?

    We don't us JCorbyn or TFarron. What is wrong is Mrs May, or even just May? Am I missing something

    Yes, May is the name of the Prime Minister, it is also a modal verb, and it is also the name of a month. Consider the confusion.of

    'May may call a May election'
    Grammar is your friend there though. May the name and may the adverb are spelt differently as one is spelt with a capital letter while the other is not. Only if you are starting a sentence with the adverb would that be spelt the same and it seems easier to avoid that than to mess around with fictionalised name variants.

    As for the month context is your friend there.

    Honestly for anyone who can read and write English properly I see no reason for confusion.
    Just checked. At some point this month Betfair renamed their "Next Prime Minister After May" market "Prime Minister after Theresa May". You can see how having a market like that up in the month of May is not a good idea.

    Side note: Radiohead are called Radiohead (after the Talking Heads song) because they used to be called On A Friday and people kept showing up to their gigs on fridays even when they weren't.
    There was a Welsh language band from the 70's called Mynediad am Ddim which translates as "Free Admission", allegedly, so I heard, on the grounds they'd never be put on the bottom of the bill with that name.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,682
    edited May 2017
    Jason said:

    I'm amazed that PBers are now discussing which party would support Conservative or Labour in the event of a hung parliament.

    Who would support the Tories in the event of such a nightmare scenario? SNP - no. Green/Plaid - no. Fishfinger - maybe, but at what cost? Entering Brexit negotiations with FF chirping away about the single market and CU.

    No. None of it bears thinking about, and none of it chimes with reality.
    Unless the Tories can get over the line with the DUP I expect May would resign and the Tories go into opposition led by Boris or Davis in the event of a hung parliament. They would then let Corbyn, the, SNP and LDs do a soft Brexit deal with the EU keeping the UK in the single market and free movement unchecked and let Corbyn still manage to hit the economy and infuriate the white working class Leave voters who will clearly have stuck with Labour or gone from UKIP to Labour to get a hung parliament by leaving EU immigration unchecked and going soft on the borders elsewhere
  • TudorRoseTudorRose Posts: 1,683
    HYUFD said:

    Jason said:

    I'm amazed that PBers are now discussing which party would support Conservative or Labour in the event of a hung parliament.

    Who would support the Tories in the event of such a nightmare scenario? SNP - no. Green/Plaid - no. Fishfinger - maybe, but at what cost? Entering Brexit negotiations with FF chirping away about the single market and CU.

    No. None of it bears thinking about, and none of it chimes with reality.
    Unless the Tories can get over the line with the DUP I expect May would resign and the Tories go into opposition led by Boris or Davis in the event of a hung parliament. They would then let Corbyn, the, SNP and LDs do a soft Brexit deal with the EU keeping the UK in the single market and free movement unchecked and let Corbyn still manage to hit the economy and infuriate the white working class Leave voters who will clearly have stuck with Labour or gone from UKIP to Labour to get a hung parliament by leaving EU immigration unchecked and going soft on the borders elsewhere
    In those circumstances Boris would write a letter to himself explaining exactly why he should be Labour leader.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,941

    http://www.conservativehome.com/platform/2017/05/andrea-leadsom-brexit-can-let-us-give-british-agriculture-a-better-deal.html

    The woman I wanted to run the Tory party. Perhaps had we let the democrat process playout and members had the opportunity to choose their leader, we might have more tories in the party tent.

    She would have been a disaster and must have realised it herself.
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    Sky really trying to sell tonight as make or break for both leaders. Unsurprisingly hyperbolic about their own show ;)
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,635

    Sky really trying to sell tonight as make or break for both leaders. Unsurprisingly hyperbolic about their own show ;)

    Who are Labour sending on ?
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    15 million CON and experience UKIP army to bring it home for us!

    I already know one person who has switched from UKIP to CON when they voted via postal vote!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,682
    TudorRose said:

    HYUFD said:

    Jason said:

    I'm amazed that PBers are now discussing which party would support Conservative or Labour in the event of a hung parliament.

    Who would support the Tories in the event of such a nightmare scenario? SNP - no. Green/Plaid - no. Fishfinger - maybe, but at what cost? Entering Brexit negotiations with FF chirping away about the single market and CU.

    No. None of it bears thinking about, and none of it chimes with reality.
    Unless the Tories can get over the line with the DUP I expect May would resign and the Tories go into opposition led by Boris or Davis in the event of a hung parliament. They would then let Corbyn, the, SNP and LDs do a soft Brexit deal with the EU keeping the UK in the single market and free movement unchecked and let Corbyn still manage to hit the economy and infuriate the white working class Leave voters who will clearly have stuck with Labour or gone from UKIP to Labour to get a hung parliament by leaving EU immigration unchecked and going soft on the borders elsewhere
    In those circumstances Boris would write a letter to himself explaining exactly why he should be Labour leader.
    Labour members are hardly going to choose Boris over the Messiah who would have led them to the promised land
  • NemtynakhtNemtynakht Posts: 2,329
    Ferdeche said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Ferdeche said:

    It did happen in Leeds NW though. Caveats in extremis for sure, but the current polling for the LDs is not far away from their 2015 national poll result.

    I believe Labour will win the seat, but that Mulholland will not suffer a massive loss as you are suggesting (?). The initial premise of this was that Otley was a natural Tory area. That is only true as a notion. In 2015 a lot of Tories held their noses to vote LD. The greater the threat of a Labour win, the more likely that will be - I just don't think it will be quite enough this time compared to the Labour increase.

    My model has it very close between Labour and the Lib Dems. The lack of any sort of Lib Dem air war probably means the Tories gain a few votes in Otley from Mulholland, and the green Headingley squeeze by Labour does for Mulholland (To Labour)
    I'm not sure about the LD > Con part, but the rest I agree with.

    The Tory set up in the area is weak - they usually have to draft candidates in from elsewhere (Wetherby this time, Skipton previously). Brexit may have changed that through, obviously.
    The only bonus for the Tories is that their supporters actually vote, and the LD and LAb figures could be suppressed by students not staying around once their exams have finished.
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    Meant to say ex UKIP army
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,941
    HYUFD said:

    Jason said:

    I'm amazed that PBers are now discussing which party would support Conservative or Labour in the event of a hung parliament.

    Who would support the Tories in the event of such a nightmare scenario? SNP - no. Green/Plaid - no. Fishfinger - maybe, but at what cost? Entering Brexit negotiations with FF chirping away about the single market and CU.

    No. None of it bears thinking about, and none of it chimes with reality.
    Unless the Tories can get over the line with the DUP I expect May would resign and the Tories go into opposition led by Boris or Davis in the event of a hung parliament. They would then let Corbyn, the, SNP and LDs do a soft Brexit deal with the EU keeping the UK in the single market and free movement unchecked and let Corbyn still manage to hit the economy and infuriate the white working class Leave voters who will clearly have stuck with Labour or gone from UKIP to Labour to get a hung parliament by leaving EU immigration unchecked and going soft on the borders elsewhere
    I don't understand why we are discussing this Theresa will get a bigger majority than she has now.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,783

    http://www.conservativehome.com/platform/2017/05/andrea-leadsom-brexit-can-let-us-give-british-agriculture-a-better-deal.html

    The woman I wanted to run the Tory party. Perhaps had we let the democrat process playout and members had the opportunity to choose their leader, we might have more tories in the party tent.

    She would have been a disaster and must have realised it herself.
    I'm not so sure. At least if she'd become prime minister she'd have found a cure for dementia by now, as she did for cancer before, and that would have solved one problem.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,345
    Incident at Hamerton zoo.

    Apparently a tiger has escaped from its enclosure
  • mattmatt Posts: 3,789

    Sky really trying to sell tonight as make or break for both leaders. Unsurprisingly hyperbolic about their own show ;)

    Sky - never knowingly under-promoted.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Just discovered that former SNP MSP Marco Biagi (met him at a Eurovision party once) has a blog doing some light polling analysis

    https://marcobiagi.blogspot.co.uk
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,383

    HYUFD said:

    Jason said:

    I'm amazed that PBers are now discussing which party would support Conservative or Labour in the event of a hung parliament.

    Who would support the Tories in the event of such a nightmare scenario? SNP - no. Green/Plaid - no. Fishfinger - maybe, but at what cost? Entering Brexit negotiations with FF chirping away about the single market and CU.

    No. None of it bears thinking about, and none of it chimes with reality.
    Unless the Tories can get over the line with the DUP I expect May would resign and the Tories go into opposition led by Boris or Davis in the event of a hung parliament. They would then let Corbyn, the, SNP and LDs do a soft Brexit deal with the EU keeping the UK in the single market and free movement unchecked and let Corbyn still manage to hit the economy and infuriate the white working class Leave voters who will clearly have stuck with Labour or gone from UKIP to Labour to get a hung parliament by leaving EU immigration unchecked and going soft on the borders elsewhere
    I don't understand why we are discussing this Theresa will get a bigger majority than she has now.
    Anything under a 50 seat majority will feel like a defeat for the Tories, and May should be replaced by Priti Patel or another genuine Leaver to stiffen up the Brexit negotiations.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,682

    HYUFD said:

    Jason said:

    I'm amazed that PBers are now discussing which party would support Conservative or Labour in the event of a hung parliament.

    Who would support the Tories in the event of such a nightmare scenario? SNP - no. Green/Plaid - no. Fishfinger - maybe, but at what cost? Entering Brexit negotiations with FF chirping away about the single market and CU.

    No. None of it bears thinking about, and none of it chimes with reality.
    Unless the Tories can get over the line with the DUP I expect May would resign and the Tories go into opposition led by Boris or Davis in the event of a hung parliament. They would then let Corbyn, the, SNP and LDs do a soft Brexit deal with the EU keeping the UK in the single market and free movement unchecked and let Corbyn still manage to hit the economy and infuriate the white working class Leave voters who will clearly have stuck with Labour or gone from UKIP to Labour to get a hung parliament by leaving EU immigration unchecked and going soft on the borders elsewhere
    I don't understand why we are discussing this Theresa will get a bigger majority than she has now.
    Almost certainly but this is now a slim possibility unlike a fortnight ago
  • Thorpe_BayThorpe_Bay Posts: 47

    http://www.conservativehome.com/platform/2017/05/andrea-leadsom-brexit-can-let-us-give-british-agriculture-a-better-deal.html

    The woman I wanted to run the Tory party. Perhaps had we let the democrat process playout and members had the opportunity to choose their leader, we might have more tories in the party tent.

    She would have been a disaster and must have realised it herself.
    Nothing could be worse than theresa may.

    the only people who like her are the press barons who got fed barrage of lies.

    The more people that see theresa may the less people like her
    The more people that see Jeremy Corbyn the more people like her.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,682

    HYUFD said:

    Jason said:

    I'm amazed that PBers are now discussing which party would support Conservative or Labour in the event of a hung parliament.

    Who would support the Tories in the event of such a nightmare scenario? SNP - no. Green/Plaid - no. Fishfinger - maybe, but at what cost? Entering Brexit negotiations with FF chirping away about the single market and CU.

    No. None of it bears thinking about, and none of it chimes with reality.
    Unless the Tories can get over the line with the DUP I expect May would resign and the Tories go into opposition led by Boris or Davis in the event of a hung parliament. They would then let Corbyn, the, SNP and LDs do a soft Brexit deal with the EU keeping the UK in the single market and free movement unchecked and let Corbyn still manage to hit the economy and infuriate the white working class Leave voters who will clearly have stuck with Labour or gone from UKIP to Labour to get a hung parliament by leaving EU immigration unchecked and going soft on the borders elsewhere
    I don't understand why we are discussing this Theresa will get a bigger majority than she has now.
    Anything under a 50 seat majority will feel like a defeat for the Tories, and May should be replaced by Priti Patel or another genuine Leaver to stiffen up the Brexit negotiations.
    If the majority is under 50 the EU will smell blood and won't budge an inch and if the Tories pick Patel there will effectively be no negotiations, it would be straight to WTO terms
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981

    http://www.conservativehome.com/platform/2017/05/andrea-leadsom-brexit-can-let-us-give-british-agriculture-a-better-deal.html

    The woman I wanted to run the Tory party. Perhaps had we let the democrat process playout and members had the opportunity to choose their leader, we might have more tories in the party tent.

    She would have been a disaster and must have realised it herself.
    Nothing could be worse than theresa may.

    the only people who like her are the press barons who got fed barrage of lies.

    The more people that see theresa may the less people like her
    The more people that see Jeremy Corbyn the more people like her.

    How is JC self-identifying these days?
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Mortimer said:

    Point of order, but why TMay?

    We don't us JCorbyn or TFarron. What is wrong is Mrs May, or even just May? Am I missing something

    Yes, May is the name of the Prime Minister, it is also a modal verb, and it is also the name of a month. Consider the confusion.of

    'May may call a May election'
    Or even simpler:

    May: may May?
  • Thorpe_BayThorpe_Bay Posts: 47
    Andrea Leadsom vs Theresa May

    One has raised a children vs one who doesn't want them (she could have adopted)
    One voted leave vs one voted remain
    One has a personality vs one who doesn't
    One has worked in a proper job vs one who has always been a career politician.

    Theresa May cannot understand the stresses and strains of having children, doing chores and people who work in this country. Andrea Leadsom should have been elected leader against Theresa May.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    matt said:

    Sky really trying to sell tonight as make or break for both leaders. Unsurprisingly hyperbolic about their own show ;)

    Sky - never knowingly under-promoted.
    Sophy Ridge is a class act, mind.
  • SeanT said:

    perdix said:

    FPT - re Don Brind's quote from Sylvester that May's style would be bad for Brexit negotiations. She will have a significant team around her, not least the Three Brexiteers. Enough pontifications from armchair politicians.

    I don't think there are going to be any negotiations. The shit is gonna hit the fan on June 11th, and the fan is going to fall to the floor, hitting a cleaner on the head, who goes mental from the impact and jumps out of the window, into a pile of shit.

    The EU wants a moon on a stick, and it wants us to pay £100bn for the stick, and another trillion for the moon.

    Prediction: the talks will end in failure very quick.

    Short sterling.
    Don't worry, German car manufacturers will force Merkel to give us a good deal.

    That's what you Leavers kept on telling us.
    It also happens to be true. The Irish can leave the EU when we don't take their beef, the Germans can't when we don't take their cars.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Latest updates from both ElectoralCalculus and Stephen Fisher have exactly the same forecast: Tory majority of 100, (375 seats).
  • mattmatt Posts: 3,789

    Andrea Leadsom vs Theresa May

    One has raised a children vs one who doesn't want them (she could have adopted)
    One voted leave vs one voted remain
    One has a personality vs one who doesn't
    One has worked in a proper job vs one who has always been a career politician.

    Theresa May cannot understand the stresses and strains of having children, doing chores and people who work in this country. Andrea Leadsom should have been elected leader against Theresa May.

    Always good to see one those elusive, "I have always voted for the Tories but this time its Marxists for me" voters. They seem to find their voice online just before an election before disappearing into the ether.
  • HaroldOHaroldO Posts: 1,185

    Andrea Leadsom vs Theresa May

    One has raised a children vs one who doesn't want them (she could have adopted)
    One voted leave vs one voted remain
    One has a personality vs one who doesn't
    One has worked in a proper job vs one who has always been a career politician.

    Theresa May cannot understand the stresses and strains of having children, doing chores and people who work in this country. Andrea Leadsom should have been elected leader against Theresa May.

    Erm, your point one is just. Wow.
  • RestharrowRestharrow Posts: 233

    Andrea Leadsom vs Theresa May

    One has raised a children vs one who doesn't want them (she could have adopted)
    One voted leave vs one voted remain
    One has a personality vs one who doesn't
    One has worked in a proper job vs one who has always been a career politician.

    Theresa May cannot understand the stresses and strains of having children, doing chores and people who work in this country. Andrea Leadsom should have been elected leader against Theresa May.

    Her CV probably claims that she was.
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 4,697
    If you class Scotland as a one-off, 2015 wasn't that bad for Labour. Ed Miliband should have stayed.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,075
    Good afternoon, everyone.

    Mr. Eagles, you also wanted to leave. Only you wanted to wait 10 years for the EU to integrate more and *then* leave. Do you think things would've been easier then?

    Mr. JS, I've backed the blues for 350-374 seats at 7. If they get 375 it'll be like Monaco all over again.
  • Thorpe_BayThorpe_Bay Posts: 47
    matt said:

    Andrea Leadsom vs Theresa May

    One has raised a children vs one who doesn't want them (she could have adopted)
    One voted leave vs one voted remain
    One has a personality vs one who doesn't
    One has worked in a proper job vs one who has always been a career politician.

    Theresa May cannot understand the stresses and strains of having children, doing chores and people who work in this country. Andrea Leadsom should have been elected leader against Theresa May.

    Always good to see one those elusive, "I have always voted for the Tories but this time its Marxists for me" voters. They seem to find their voice online just before an election before disappearing into the ether.
    not voting for a marxist.

    Don't presume before making statements. Your presumption is wrong.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,941

    Andrea Leadsom vs Theresa May

    One has raised a children vs one who doesn't want them (she could have adopted)
    One voted leave vs one voted remain
    One has a personality vs one who doesn't
    One has worked in a proper job vs one who has always been a career politician.

    Theresa May cannot understand the stresses and strains of having children, doing chores and people who work in this country. Andrea Leadsom should have been elected leader against Theresa May.

    Her CV probably claims that she was.
    Maybe she should be in Professor Nuttall's party.
  • AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900
    AndyJS said:

    Latest updates from both ElectoralCalculus and Stephen Fisher have exactly the same forecast: Tory majority of 100, (375 seats).

    That's pretty much exactly where the spread midpoints look to be heading too.
  • Thorpe_BayThorpe_Bay Posts: 47
    HaroldO said:

    Andrea Leadsom vs Theresa May

    One has raised a children vs one who doesn't want them (she could have adopted)
    One voted leave vs one voted remain
    One has a personality vs one who doesn't
    One has worked in a proper job vs one who has always been a career politician.

    Theresa May cannot understand the stresses and strains of having children, doing chores and people who work in this country. Andrea Leadsom should have been elected leader against Theresa May.

    Erm, your point one is just. Wow.
    Theresa May is not a normal human being.

    Most people in this country get married and have children and if they can't have children they adopt.

    Theresa May will never understand the stresses and strains of raising children. Living in a budget, sharing equally so all the children can have things to look forward, going on holiday and one of the kids gets ill. The sleepless nights, the worrying, the nights spent helping the kids with homework, teaching them to drive on a quiet road and worry about the next girlfriend/boyfriend they will bring home.

    She's a total disaster and the only people that like her are the hacks, she has zero personality, zero charisma and everything is wooden and scripted.

    She's the career politician.
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    HaroldO said:

    Andrea Leadsom vs Theresa May

    One has raised a children vs one who doesn't want them (she could have adopted)
    One voted leave vs one voted remain
    One has a personality vs one who doesn't
    One has worked in a proper job vs one who has always been a career politician.

    Theresa May cannot understand the stresses and strains of having children, doing chores and people who work in this country. Andrea Leadsom should have been elected leader against Theresa May.

    Erm, your point one is just. Wow.
    Theresa May is not a normal human being.

    Most people in this country get married and have children and if they can't have children they adopt.

    Theresa May will never understand the stresses and strains of raising children. Living in a budget, sharing equally so all the children can have things to look forward, going on holiday and one of the kids gets ill. The sleepless nights, the worrying, the nights spent helping the kids with homework, teaching them to drive on a quiet road and worry about the next girlfriend/boyfriend they will bring home.

    She's a total disaster and the only people that like her are the hacks, she has zero personality, zero charisma and everything is wooden and scripted.

    She's the career politician.

    "Most people in this country get married and have children and if they can't have children they adopt."

    WTAF?

  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,075
    Mr. O, it's astroturftastic.
  • Thorpe_BayThorpe_Bay Posts: 47

    HaroldO said:

    Andrea Leadsom vs Theresa May

    One has raised a children vs one who doesn't want them (she could have adopted)
    One voted leave vs one voted remain
    One has a personality vs one who doesn't
    One has worked in a proper job vs one who has always been a career politician.

    Theresa May cannot understand the stresses and strains of having children, doing chores and people who work in this country. Andrea Leadsom should have been elected leader against Theresa May.

    Erm, your point one is just. Wow.
    Theresa May is not a normal human being.

    Most people in this country get married and have children and if they can't have children they adopt.

    Theresa May will never understand the stresses and strains of raising children. Living in a budget, sharing equally so all the children can have things to look forward, going on holiday and one of the kids gets ill. The sleepless nights, the worrying, the nights spent helping the kids with homework, teaching them to drive on a quiet road and worry about the next girlfriend/boyfriend they will bring home.

    She's a total disaster and the only people that like her are the hacks, she has zero personality, zero charisma and everything is wooden and scripted.

    She's the career politician.

    "Most people in this country get married and have children and if they can't have children they adopt."

    WTAF?

    how many married 60 year old women do you know that never had kids?
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Andrea Leadsom vs Theresa May

    One has raised a children vs one who doesn't want them (she could have adopted)
    One voted leave vs one voted remain
    One has a personality vs one who doesn't
    One has worked in a proper job vs one who has always been a career politician.

    Theresa May cannot understand the stresses and strains of having children, doing chores and people who work in this country. Andrea Leadsom should have been elected leader against Theresa May.

    Theresa and Philip wanted children. It didn't happen for them, and I, for one, feel nothing but sympathy for them.

    I don't know Andrea but I do know a lot of people with a similar role which is fairly marginal in the scheme of things
  • HaroldOHaroldO Posts: 1,185

    HaroldO said:

    Andrea Leadsom vs Theresa May

    One has raised a children vs one who doesn't want them (she could have adopted)
    One voted leave vs one voted remain
    One has a personality vs one who doesn't
    One has worked in a proper job vs one who has always been a career politician.

    Theresa May cannot understand the stresses and strains of having children, doing chores and people who work in this country. Andrea Leadsom should have been elected leader against Theresa May.

    Erm, your point one is just. Wow.
    Theresa May is not a normal human being.

    Most people in this country get married and have children and if they can't have children they adopt.

    Theresa May will never understand the stresses and strains of raising children. Living in a budget, sharing equally so all the children can have things to look forward, going on holiday and one of the kids gets ill. The sleepless nights, the worrying, the nights spent helping the kids with homework, teaching them to drive on a quiet road and worry about the next girlfriend/boyfriend they will bring home.

    She's a total disaster and the only people that like her are the hacks, she has zero personality, zero charisma and everything is wooden and scripted.

    She's the career politician.
    I don't want kids, I have never wanted kids. Apparently I am now abnormal.

    What utter shit.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,783

    HaroldO said:

    Andrea Leadsom vs Theresa May

    One has raised a children vs one who doesn't want them (she could have adopted)
    One voted leave vs one voted remain
    One has a personality vs one who doesn't
    One has worked in a proper job vs one who has always been a career politician.

    Theresa May cannot understand the stresses and strains of having children, doing chores and people who work in this country. Andrea Leadsom should have been elected leader against Theresa May.

    Erm, your point one is just. Wow.
    Theresa May is not a normal human being.

    Most people in this country get married and have children and if they can't have children they adopt.
    Is it safe to assume you won't be in favour of Ruth Davidson becoming leader?
  • Thorpe_BayThorpe_Bay Posts: 47
    Charles said:

    Andrea Leadsom vs Theresa May

    One has raised a children vs one who doesn't want them (she could have adopted)
    One voted leave vs one voted remain
    One has a personality vs one who doesn't
    One has worked in a proper job vs one who has always been a career politician.

    Theresa May cannot understand the stresses and strains of having children, doing chores and people who work in this country. Andrea Leadsom should have been elected leader against Theresa May.

    Theresa and Philip wanted children. It didn't happen for them, and I, for one, feel nothing but sympathy for them.

    I don't know Andrea but I do know a lot of people with a similar role which is fairly marginal in the scheme of things
    they could have adopted.

    Her career as a politician was more important. There are lots of men and women that don't enjoy sex and theresa may doesn't look like the kind of person who is up for it. And last time I checked if your not up for sex you can't get pregnant.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,941
    Charles said:

    Andrea Leadsom vs Theresa May

    One has raised a children vs one who doesn't want them (she could have adopted)
    One voted leave vs one voted remain
    One has a personality vs one who doesn't
    One has worked in a proper job vs one who has always been a career politician.

    Theresa May cannot understand the stresses and strains of having children, doing chores and people who work in this country. Andrea Leadsom should have been elected leader against Theresa May.

    Theresa and Philip wanted children. It didn't happen for them, and I, for one, feel nothing but sympathy for them.

    I don't know Andrea but I do know a lot of people with a similar role which is fairly marginal in the scheme of things
    Andrea Leadsom's USP in standing against Theresa was that she had kids.
    It really isn't that great a preparation for being Prime Minister.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Charles said:

    Andrea Leadsom vs Theresa May

    One has raised a children vs one who doesn't want them (she could have adopted)
    One voted leave vs one voted remain
    One has a personality vs one who doesn't
    One has worked in a proper job vs one who has always been a career politician.

    Theresa May cannot understand the stresses and strains of having children, doing chores and people who work in this country. Andrea Leadsom should have been elected leader against Theresa May.

    Theresa and Philip wanted children. It didn't happen for them, and I, for one, feel nothing but sympathy for them.

    I don't know Andrea but I do know a lot of people with a similar role which is fairly marginal in the scheme of things
    they could have adopted.

    Her career as a politician was more important. There are lots of men and women that don't enjoy sex and theresa may doesn't look like the kind of person who is up for it. And last time I checked if your not up for sex you can't get pregnant.
    What a nasty post.
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