So the PM and senior ministers are tied up in London doing COBR etc? Isn't it time for them to go on bended knee to ask Cameron and Major to do the former PM bit over the weekend?
"Being PM is a serious business". "I know who is trust". "Judge a man by his friends".
That sort of thing?
David Cameron and Sir John Major would probably oblige. It's more than the Conservative party would deserve, given what so many headbanging Conservatives have said about each of them in the last year.
Oh I'm sure you're right. Probably depends on how they feel about May. Major in particular has every reason to steer well clear as he was very shabbily treated. Lord Hague may speak out I suppose.
I remember when Sir John was wheeled out to give Gordon Brown both barrels when Gordon Brown decided to upstage the Tory conference of 2007.
Don't think Brown ever recovered from it.
Major is well respected and admired, and carries a lot of gravitas. One always got the feeling that 97 was not a vote against him more a 'You're a good guy but that party of yours.............'
Unfortunately visions of him humping Edwina kind of dispel that for me
I seem to recall an entire thread - y'day perhaps, lose track - relating to various descriptors of noshing. Was just hoping Sunil's fan club weren't around for that one.
So the PM and senior ministers are tied up in London doing COBR etc? Isn't it time for them to go on bended knee to ask Cameron and Major to do the former PM bit over the weekend?
"Being PM is a serious business". "I know who is trust". "Judge a man by his friends".
That sort of thing?
David Cameron and Sir John Major would probably oblige. It's more than the Conservative party would deserve, given what so many headbanging Conservatives have said about each of them in the last year.
Oh I'm sure you're right. Probably depends on how they feel about May. Major in particular has every reason to steer well clear as he was very shabbily treated. Lord Hague may speak out I suppose.
I remember when Sir John was wheeled out to give Gordon Brown both barrels when Gordon Brown decided to upstage the Tory conference of 2007.
Don't think Brown ever recovered from it.
Major is well respected and admired, and carries a lot of gravitas. One always got the feeling that 97 was not a vote against him more a 'You're a good guy but that party of yours.............'
Unfortunately visions of him humping Edwina kind of dispel that for me
Then afterwards, when he gets dressed, he tucks his shirt back in to his Y-fronts...
I seem to recall an entire thread - y'day perhaps, lose track - relating to various descriptors of noshing. Was just hoping Sunil's fan club weren't around for that one.
Here's what someone in the polling industry said about this thread I wrote last year
What of David Cameron? With this referendum he must be feeling like the couple who agreed to make home made porn. It sounded like a good idea at the time, he thought it would be fun to do, but now as he sits back and views his production, he must be thinking this hasn’t turned out how he expected it to turn out, whilst regretting his initial descision and feeling a bit nauseous about it all.
So the PM and senior ministers are tied up in London doing COBR etc? Isn't it time for them to go on bended knee to ask Cameron and Major to do the former PM bit over the weekend?
"Being PM is a serious business". "I know who is trust". "Judge a man by his friends".
That sort of thing?
Does Theresa have any friends?
I wouldn't ask either David Cameron or John Major to get involved in this campaign. That "Extreme" brexit comment by Cameron was designed to be particularly damaging for the PM and just created another soundbite, which gets repeated endlessly.
Some of John Major's comment during the referendum, were absolutely appallying and I'm not surprised he has now disappeared from view.
May needs to announce some tough law and order ideas under the cover of needing to be flexible in response to the threat. That idea of flexibility would then filter through into lancing the u turn boil. Flexible and fast moving leadership responding to the needs of the time.
The most important moment of the campaign still to come for May is going to be when she gets questioned on social care on the BBC1 QT.
Her response won't just be heard by those watching the programme - it may well lead all news programmes and dominate the rest of the campaign.
Now she can't undo what she has already said but she absolutely has to get her response - at what is going to be the key moment - as good as she can.
Thus, right now the Conservatives should be focus grouping the issue like mad - working out exactly what response will go down best - exactly what she should emphasise, and the exact form of words she should use.
I think some people are building up Andrew Neil's interview this evening, a little too much. It is only half an hour and unless he gets the really difficult questions in first, JC will just sit back in that relaxed style and play out the time.
May needs to announce some tough law and order ideas under the cover of needing to be flexible in response to the threat. That idea of flexibility would then filter through into lancing the u turn boil. Flexible and fast moving leadership responding to the needs of the time.
May needs to announce some tough law and order ideas under the cover of needing to be flexible in response to the threat. That idea of flexibility would then filter through into lancing the u turn boil. Flexible and fast moving leadership responding to the needs of the time.
That doesn't sound stable.
That horse has bolted. She's got to look like a leader now if she wants her majority.
I seem to recall an entire thread - y'day perhaps, lose track - relating to various descriptors of noshing. Was just hoping Sunil's fan club weren't around for that one.
Here's what someone in the polling industry said about this thread I wrote last year
What of David Cameron? With this referendum he must be feeling like the couple who agreed to make home made porn. It sounded like a good idea at the time, he thought it would be fun to do, but now as he sits back and views his production, he must be thinking this hasn’t turned out how he expected it to turn out, whilst regretting his initial descision and feeling a bit nauseous about it all.
What would a Hung Parliament do to Brexit? Anyone have a clue???
A grand coalition, or National government is just what is needed to get a consensus over Brexit related issues. It is important in particular that all 4 nations participate.
Which 4 nations? I can think of 2 nations, a principality and a province if that helps.
So the PM and senior ministers are tied up in London doing COBR etc? Isn't it time for them to go on bended knee to ask Cameron and Major to do the former PM bit over the weekend?
"Being PM is a serious business". "I know who is trust". "Judge a man by his friends".
That sort of thing?
David Cameron and Sir John Major would probably oblige. It's more than the Conservative party would deserve, given what so many headbanging Conservatives have said about each of them in the last year.
Oh I'm sure you're right. Probably depends on how they feel about May. Major in particular has every reason to steer well clear as he was very shabbily treated. Lord Hague may speak out I suppose.
I remember when Sir John was wheeled out to give Gordon Brown both barrels when Gordon Brown decided to upstage the Tory conference of 2007.
Don't think Brown ever recovered from it.
If Brown transformed from Stalin to Mr Bean, which two personalities symbolise the change in May's fortunes?
Mary poppins to cruella de ville Maggie thatcher to mark thatcher
Two young people, aged about 18/19, I would guess. Young girl told her friend that she thought Andy Burnham was a conservative. Thankfully, friend put her right. Very scary!
I seem to recall an entire thread - y'day perhaps, lose track - relating to various descriptors of noshing. Was just hoping Sunil's fan club weren't around for that one.
Here's what someone in the polling industry said about this thread I wrote last year
twitter.com/AGKD123/status/742610213581258752
What of David Cameron? With this referendum he must be feeling like the couple who agreed to make home made porn. It sounded like a good idea at the time, he thought it would be fun to do, but now as he sits back and views his production, he must be thinking this hasn’t turned out how he expected it to turn out, whilst regretting his initial descision and feeling a bit nauseous about it all.
So the PM and senior ministers are tied up in London doing COBR etc? Isn't it time for them to go on bended knee to ask Cameron and Major to do the former PM bit over the weekend?
"Being PM is a serious business". "I know who is trust". "Judge a man by his friends".
That sort of thing?
David Cameron and Sir John Major would probably oblige. It's more than the Conservative party would deserve, given what so many headbanging Conservatives have said about each of them in the last year.
Oh I'm sure you're right. Probably depends on how they feel about May. Major in particular has every reason to steer well clear as he was very shabbily treated. Lord Hague may speak out I suppose.
I remember when Sir John was wheeled out to give Gordon Brown both barrels when Gordon Brown decided to upstage the Tory conference of 2007.
Don't think Brown ever recovered from it.
Major is well respected and admired, and carries a lot of gravitas. One always got the feeling that 97 was not a vote against him more a 'You're a good guy but that party of yours.............'
Unfortunately visions of him humping Edwina kind of dispel that for me
Then afterwards, when he gets dressed, he tucks his shirt back in to his Y-fronts...
The most important moment of the campaign still to come for May is going to be when she gets questioned on social care on the BBC1 QT.
Her response won't just be heard by those watching the programme - it may well lead all news programmes and dominate the rest of the campaign.
Now she can't undo what she has already said but she absolutely has to get her response - at what is going to be the key moment - as good as she can.
Thus, right now the Conservatives should be focus grouping the issue like mad - working out exactly what response will go down best - exactly what she should emphasise, and the exact form of words she should use.
I can tell you what response will go down best amongst those I have met.
"It was a stupid idea to bring your house into HomeCare calculations and I have changed my mind.
Two young people, aged about 18/19, I would guess. Young girl told her friend that she thought Andy Burnham was a conservative. Thankfully, friend put her right. Very scary!
Two young people, aged about 18/19, I would guess. Young girl told her friend that she thought Andy Burnham was a conservative. Thankfully, friend put her right. Very scary!
The first girl could have been correct ... for today.
It depends on who sat on Burnham last and left their arsecheek impression on his unbelievably pliable opinions.
I seem to recall an entire thread - y'day perhaps, lose track - relating to various descriptors of noshing. Was just hoping Sunil's fan club weren't around for that one.
Here's what someone in the polling industry said about this thread I wrote last year
twitter.com/AGKD123/status/742610213581258752
What of David Cameron? With this referendum he must be feeling like the couple who agreed to make home made porn. It sounded like a good idea at the time, he thought it would be fun to do, but now as he sits back and views his production, he must be thinking this hasn’t turned out how he expected it to turn out, whilst regretting his initial descision and feeling a bit nauseous about it all.
The most important moment of the campaign still to come for May is going to be when she gets questioned on social care on the BBC1 QT.
Her response won't just be heard by those watching the programme - it may well lead all news programmes and dominate the rest of the campaign.
Now she can't undo what she has already said but she absolutely has to get her response - at what is going to be the key moment - as good as she can.
Thus, right now the Conservatives should be focus grouping the issue like mad - working out exactly what response will go down best - exactly what she should emphasise, and the exact form of words she should use.
I can tell you what response will go down best amongst those I have met.
"It was a stupid idea to bring your house into HomeCare calculations and I have changed my mind.
Anything less votes haemorrhage
No chance. If she wins and gets away with it, she has at least found a way into tapping the windfall wealth tied up in the boomers' property equity. Which any government will need to do sooner or later, even if it pretty much guarantees them a torrid midterm.
Saw this in the Manchester Evening News "A lecturer who taught the Manchester Arena bomber five to six years ago has told the Guardian that college staff or the then teenager’s peers reported him to police for expressing extremist views. The teacher, who asked not to be named, said Salman Abedi was a “slow, uneducated and passive” boy on an IT and business course at Trafford College specifically aimed at students at an “exceptionally low level”. The man, who no longer works at Trafford College, said he believes Abedi would have not been capable of plotting an attack of the magnitude seen at the Ariana Grande concert alone and may have been used by others. He said: “I tutor kids who are 11 years old and they’ve got better English and Maths than the kids who were on the course I used to teach which this lad was on. “It’s typically people who are either behaviourally problematic, so disruptive and angry, or need a lot of support and special needs. People talk about the planning and the intelligence you need to plan an attack. This was not an intelligent person.”
The SNP would remain in third place on 56 seats while the Lib Dems would lose all their seats except leader Tim Farron’s.
Seriously 1 seat
Are Survey Monkey the new Gold Standard
Instead of a 18,000 sample, they would have done abetter job if they had samples 30,000,000
snp 56
Actually this poll is nonsense
Well, actually according to them 54% of Scots support independence yet only 37% want another referendum !!!!!!!
Based on that 56 seats could be exactly right.
But the whole thing is a complete nonsense.
I don't see a contradiction between the two numbers. Maybe the hypothetical 17% want independence at some point but actually accept the result of the last vote? At least for now.
I seem to recall an entire thread - y'day perhaps, lose track - relating to various descriptors of noshing. Was just hoping Sunil's fan club weren't around for that one.
Here's what someone in the polling industry said about this thread I wrote last year
What of David Cameron? With this referendum he must be feeling like the couple who agreed to make home made porn. It sounded like a good idea at the time, he thought it would be fun to do, but now as he sits back and views his production, he must be thinking this hasn’t turned out how he expected it to turn out, whilst regretting his initial descision and feeling a bit nauseous about it all.
Saw this in the Manchester Evening News "A lecturer who taught the Manchester Arena bomber five to six years ago has told the Guardian that college staff or the then teenager’s peers reported him to police for expressing extremist views. The teacher, who asked not to be named, said Salman Abedi was a “slow, uneducated and passive” boy on an IT and business course at Trafford College specifically aimed at students at an “exceptionally low level”. The man, who no longer works at Trafford College, said he believes Abedi would have not been capable of plotting an attack of the magnitude seen at the Ariana Grande concert alone and may have been used by others. He said: “I tutor kids who are 11 years old and they’ve got better English and Maths than the kids who were on the course I used to teach which this lad was on. “It’s typically people who are either behaviourally problematic, so disruptive and angry, or need a lot of support and special needs. People talk about the planning and the intelligence you need to plan an attack. This was not an intelligent person.”
How did this lad get into Salford University ?
Took a left at Chapel street and kept walking.
Anyway, most unis are desperate places. Get below about 40th in the league tables and its depressing, really depressing stuff.
I once proposed visiting Hever Castle with some American relatives of my other half who had come to town. I explained that it was interesting because it was where Anne Boleyn grew up.
They misheard me, and at cross-purposes, were completely agog that a noted pornographic actress had grown up in a castle in Britain.
After some minutes it turned out they were thinking of someone called Amber Lynn.
May needs to announce some tough law and order ideas under the cover of needing to be flexible in response to the threat. That idea of flexibility would then filter through into lancing the u turn boil. Flexible and fast moving leadership responding to the needs of the time.
That doesn't sound stable.
That horse has bolted. She's got to look like a leader now if she wants her majority.
In the early part of the campaign people were complaining about Brussels interference. What would May give now to have someone from the EU pop up and turn the focus back on Brexit?
The most important moment of the campaign still to come for May is going to be when she gets questioned on social care on the BBC1 QT.
Her response won't just be heard by those watching the programme - it may well lead all news programmes and dominate the rest of the campaign.
Now she can't undo what she has already said but she absolutely has to get her response - at what is going to be the key moment - as good as she can.
Thus, right now the Conservatives should be focus grouping the issue like mad - working out exactly what response will go down best - exactly what she should emphasise, and the exact form of words she should use.
I can tell you what response will go down best amongst those I have met.
"It was a stupid idea to bring your house into HomeCare calculations and I have changed my mind.
Anything less votes haemorrhage
Sadly voters don't want the truth to be told when they can have more sweets from the magic sweetie tin paid for by the magic money tree...
I once proposed visiting Hever Castle with some American relatives of my other half who had come to town. I explained that it was interesting because it was where Anne Boleyn grew up.
They misheard me, and at cross-purposes, were completely agog that a noted pornographic actress had grown up in a castle in Britain.
After some minutes it turned out they were thinking of someone called Amber Lynn.
I can almost hear the keys going as 100 PBers get googling.
Con 44%, Lab 36% is still a bad day at the office for Labour....
Corbyn will be delighted, he gets the same share of vote that got Blair a majority in 2005.
Who in Labour could still argue for his denefestration?
(Are you being the brilliance of the Tory campaign yet?)
Piss poor tactics from the Tories.
A Labour party polling at 36% is much more likely to take power in 2022 than a Labour party polling 25% or 30%.
Do you really want Corbyn or a Corbynite becoming PM in 2022?
One thing is for sure - if May wins narrowly, she won't fight the next GE in 2022.
I would imagine it's most likely she resigns in October 2020, a new leader comes in and then calls a May 2021 GE during their honeymoon.
Indeed 2021 most likely anyway (with FTPA abolition).
Yes, the obvious point for her to quit is when she can say 'job done' with some plausibility. It's not at all clear what other job she sees it as her life's work to do.
I once proposed visiting Hever Castle with some American relatives of my other half who had come to town. I explained that it was interesting because it was where Anne Boleyn grew up.
They misheard me, and at cross-purposes, were completely agog that a noted pornographic actress had grown up in a castle in Britain.
After some minutes it turned out they were thinking of someone called Amber Lynn.
I can almost hear the keys going as 100 PBers get googling.
The most important moment of the campaign still to come for May is going to be when she gets questioned on social care on the BBC1 QT.
Her response won't just be heard by those watching the programme - it may well lead all news programmes and dominate the rest of the campaign.
Now she can't undo what she has already said but she absolutely has to get her response - at what is going to be the key moment - as good as she can.
Thus, right now the Conservatives should be focus grouping the issue like mad - working out exactly what response will go down best - exactly what she should emphasise, and the exact form of words she should use.
I can tell you what response will go down best amongst those I have met.
"It was a stupid idea to bring your house into HomeCare calculations and I have changed my mind.
Anything less votes haemorrhage
No chance. If she wins and gets away with it, she has at least found a way into tapping the windfall wealth tied up in the boomers' property equity. Which any government will need to do sooner or later, even if it pretty much guarantees them a torrid midterm.
I do not believe she will deliver on the cap. Or at least it will be so high as to be essentially meaningless except for the hard cases who need years and years of residential care.
I am planning my finances around this assumption now.
The most important moment of the campaign still to come for May is going to be when she gets questioned on social care on the BBC1 QT.
Her response won't just be heard by those watching the programme - it may well lead all news programmes and dominate the rest of the campaign.
Now she can't undo what she has already said but she absolutely has to get her response - at what is going to be the key moment - as good as she can.
Thus, right now the Conservatives should be focus grouping the issue like mad - working out exactly what response will go down best - exactly what she should emphasise, and the exact form of words she should use.
I can tell you what response will go down best amongst those I have met.
"It was a stupid idea to bring your house into HomeCare calculations and I have changed my mind.
Anything less votes haemorrhage
Sadly voters don't want the truth to be told when they can have more sweets from the magic sweetie tin paid for by the magic money tree...
Currently voters think that Labour's plans won't cost them. They will. But the Tories need to say so and how much it will cost them. If ever a manifesto needed the tax bombshell treatment, it's Labour's one.
I simply don't understand the level of complacency on the Tory side.
Saw this in the Manchester Evening News "A lecturer who taught the Manchester Arena bomber five to six years ago has told the Guardian that college staff or the then teenager’s peers reported him to police for expressing extremist views. The teacher, who asked not to be named, said Salman Abedi was a “slow, uneducated and passive” boy on an IT and business course at Trafford College specifically aimed at students at an “exceptionally low level”. The man, who no longer works at Trafford College, said he believes Abedi would have not been capable of plotting an attack of the magnitude seen at the Ariana Grande concert alone and may have been used by others. He said: “I tutor kids who are 11 years old and they’ve got better English and Maths than the kids who were on the course I used to teach which this lad was on. “It’s typically people who are either behaviourally problematic, so disruptive and angry, or need a lot of support and special needs. People talk about the planning and the intelligence you need to plan an attack. This was not an intelligent person.”
How did this lad get into Salford University ?
Presumably his grades were inflated because of his deprived background.
*Hands out trouser clips and antimotility pills to PB Tories in a gesture of human kindness, knowing that they would not do the same were the tables turned*
The snowflakes, wets, weeds, plebs, proles, townies, interleckshals, Guardian readers and cucks are coming!
The most important moment of the campaign still to come for May is going to be when she gets questioned on social care on the BBC1 QT.
Her response won't just be heard by those watching the programme - it may well lead all news programmes and dominate the rest of the campaign.
Now she can't undo what she has already said but she absolutely has to get her response - at what is going to be the key moment - as good as she can.
Thus, right now the Conservatives should be focus grouping the issue like mad - working out exactly what response will go down best - exactly what she should emphasise, and the exact form of words she should use.
I can tell you what response will go down best amongst those I have met.
"It was a stupid idea to bring your house into HomeCare calculations and I have changed my mind.
Anything less votes haemorrhage
Sadly voters don't want the truth to be told when they can have more sweets from the magic sweetie tin paid for by the magic money tree...
Currently voters think that Labour's plans won't cost them. They will. But the Tories need to say so and how much it will cost them. If ever a manifesto needed the tax bombshell treatment, it's Labour's one.
I simply don't understand the level of complacency on the Tory side.
Labour was ALWAYS going to promise the moon on a stick, and that some rich banker was going to pay for. I expect the attack on economic credibility/tax bombshell was in the Grid from a long way out. What we don't know is whether it was going to be timed for the postals and got knocked off course by the Manchester bomb. Maybe next Tuesday onwards will still be plenty of time to get people thinking "oo-er...."
But the current rope-a-dope routine from the Tories could do with ending before too long....
Labour would have been better to join the SNP and LDs in wishing to get rid of Trident, and outflanking the Tories by using a chunk of the saving to fund our conventional forces, police and security services.
The most important moment of the campaign still to come for May is going to be when she gets questioned on social care on the BBC1 QT.
Her response won't just be heard by those watching the programme - it may well lead all news programmes and dominate the rest of the campaign.
Now she can't undo what she has already said but she absolutely has to get her response - at what is going to be the key moment - as good as she can.
Thus, right now the Conservatives should be focus grouping the issue like mad - working out exactly what response will go down best - exactly what she should emphasise, and the exact form of words she should use.
I can tell you what response will go down best amongst those I have met.
"It was a stupid idea to bring your house into HomeCare calculations and I have changed my mind.
Anything less votes haemorrhage
Sadly voters don't want the truth to be told when they can have more sweets from the magic sweetie tin paid for by the magic money tree...
Currently voters think that Labour's plans won't cost them. They will. But the Tories need to say so and how much it will cost them. If ever a manifesto needed the tax bombshell treatment, it's Labour's one.
I simply don't understand the level of complacency on the Tory side.
Labour was ALWAYS going to promise the moon on a stick, and that some rich banker was going to pay for. I expect the attack on economic credibility/tax bombshell was in the Grid from a long way out. What we don't know is whether it was going to be timed for the postals and got knocked off course by the Manchester bomb. Maybe next Tuesday onwards will still be plenty of time to get people thinking "oo-er...."
But the current rope-a-dope routine from the Tories could do with ending before too long....
My feeling is that the Tories had no plan beyond coasting complacently to a huge victory on the basis of the polls.
The most important moment of the campaign still to come for May is going to be when she gets questioned on social care on the BBC1 QT.
Her response won't just be heard by those watching the programme - it may well lead all news programmes and dominate the rest of the campaign.
Now she can't undo what she has already said but she absolutely has to get her response - at what is going to be the key moment - as good as she can.
Thus, right now the Conservatives should be focus grouping the issue like mad - working out exactly what response will go down best - exactly what she should emphasise, and the exact form of words she should use.
I can tell you what response will go down best amongst those I have met.
"It was a stupid idea to bring your house into HomeCare calculations and I have changed my mind.
Anything less votes haemorrhage
Sadly voters don't want the truth to be told when they can have more sweets from the magic sweetie tin paid for by the magic money tree...
Currently voters think that Labour's plans won't cost them. They will. But the Tories need to say so and how much it will cost them. If ever a manifesto needed the tax bombshell treatment, it's Labour's one.
I simply don't understand the level of complacency on the Tory side.
Quite. Where is Hammond btw? Surely the media don't think he's too boring to be of interest.
Well, actually according to them 54% of Scots support independence yet only 37% want another referendum !!!!!!!
If you support independence, but don't want to lose another referendum, you might be wary of having another vote without a clear sign that public opinion has turned in your favour.
After all, that was why so many people thought it was a bad idea for the Leader of the Opposition to agree to an early election.
Who are these self-designated important people ? Never heard of this chap.
He's a Leaver who is one of the main proponents of an idea called CANZUK, under which there would be a close union including freedom of movement with Canada, Australia and New Zealand.
Sounds like a good idea.
It's completely cuckoo, dreamed up by people who didn't bother stopping at the 1950s and instead have regressed to the 1920s.
Much more sensible than having such arrangements with Eastern Europe. I mean, who from the UK could possibly want to go and live in, say, Hungary?
I'm sure all the fascist Le Pen supporting lumpen Brexitiariat would swarm over there. They'd be right at home
They say Lab tax raising plans will raise £10bn less than Lab say - and I think they implied that's a minimum shortfall - they also said CT rise will raise revenue short-term which will then drop off.
Certainly gave Con / broadcasters ammunition for attack.
The most important moment of the campaign still to come for May is going to be when she gets questioned on social care on the BBC1 QT.
Her response won't just be heard by those watching the programme - it may well lead all news programmes and dominate the rest of the campaign.
Now she can't undo what she has already said but she absolutely has to get her response - at what is going to be the key moment - as good as she can.
Thus, right now the Conservatives should be focus grouping the issue like mad - working out exactly what response will go down best - exactly what she should emphasise, and the exact form of words she should use.
I can tell you what response will go down best amongst those I have met.
"It was a stupid idea to bring your house into HomeCare calculations and I have changed my mind.
Anything less votes haemorrhage
Sadly voters don't want the truth to be told when they can have more sweets from the magic sweetie tin paid for by the magic money tree...
Currently voters think that Labour's plans won't cost them. They will. But the Tories need to say so and how much it will cost them. If ever a manifesto needed the tax bombshell treatment, it's Labour's one.
I simply don't understand the level of complacency on the Tory side.
Labour was ALWAYS going to promise the moon on a stick, and that some rich banker was going to pay for. I expect the attack on economic credibility/tax bombshell was in the Grid from a long way out. What we don't know is whether it was going to be timed for the postals and got knocked off course by the Manchester bomb. Maybe next Tuesday onwards will still be plenty of time to get people thinking "oo-er...."
But the current rope-a-dope routine from the Tories could do with ending before too long....
My feeling is that the Tories had no plan beyond coasting complacently to a huge victory on the basis of the polls.
Sometimes the 'do nothing' strategy is the best one.
If only the Conservatives had done nothing, instead of beingh over clever with their manifesto.
The most important moment of the campaign still to come for May is going to be when she gets questioned on social care on the BBC1 QT.
Her response won't just be heard by those watching the programme - it may well lead all news programmes and dominate the rest of the campaign.
Now she can't undo what she has already said but she absolutely has to get her response - at what is going to be the key moment - as good as she can.
Thus, right now the Conservatives should be focus grouping the issue like mad - working out exactly what response will go down best - exactly what she should emphasise, and the exact form of words she should use.
I can tell you what response will go down best amongst those I have met.
"It was a stupid idea to bring your house into HomeCare calculations and I have changed my mind.
Anything less votes haemorrhage
Sadly voters don't want the truth to be told when they can have more sweets from the magic sweetie tin paid for by the magic money tree...
Currently voters think that Labour's plans won't cost them. They will. But the Tories need to say so and how much it will cost them. If ever a manifesto needed the tax bombshell treatment, it's Labour's one.
I simply don't understand the level of complacency on the Tory side.
Labour was ALWAYS going to promise the moon on a stick, and that some rich banker was going to pay for. I expect the attack on economic credibility/tax bombshell was in the Grid from a long way out. What we don't know is whether it was going to be timed for the postals and got knocked off course by the Manchester bomb. Maybe next Tuesday onwards will still be plenty of time to get people thinking "oo-er...."
But the current rope-a-dope routine from the Tories could do with ending before too long....
My feeling is that the Tories had no plan beyond coasting complacently to a huge victory on the basis of the polls.
That plan might still work. There is a large Conservative lead still; just not as big as before.
Finally, the Maybot has agreed to a proper return of fire.
Or has Boris just gone off-piste?
The great thing about letting Boris do it is that if it backfires she can let everythone think he's gone off-piste even if he hasn't.
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS! GO BORIS! AT BLOODY LAST!
Yes, in one corner we have a sneering entitled Old Etonian Bullingdon Clubber who was made Foreign Secretary having never been in the cabinet before, never been in the shadow cabinet, and without any foreign policy experience whatsoever, a man sacked twice from jobs in the "real world" for telling lies, a thug who conspired to have a journalist beaten up. And in the other corner, we have a man who sticks to his principles and wants to raise taxes for the rich. The electorate may be susceptible to right wing overtures when they make use of xenophobia, but this is different. This is a rich boarding school bully against the Labour leader.
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One more push......
May i ask who you will be voting for roger ?
I'm away for the election and forgot to get a postal vote. I would have voted Lib Dem but not because of Corbyn's dalliance with terrorists but because he'd bankrupt me. I try not to worry about that sort of thing normally but selling the Big Issue in winter is a job for a younger man
The most important moment of the campaign still to come for May is going to be when she gets questioned on social care on the BBC1 QT.
Her response won't just be heard by those watching the programme - it may well lead all news programmes and dominate the rest of the campaign.
Now she can't undo what she has already said but she absolutely has to get her response - at what is going to be the key moment - as good as she can.
Thus, right now the Conservatives should be focus grouping the issue like mad - working out exactly what response will go down best - exactly what she should emphasise, and the exact form of words she should use.
I can tell you what response will go down best amongst those I have met.
"It was a stupid idea to bring your house into HomeCare calculations and I have changed my mind.
Anything less votes haemorrhage
Sadly voters don't want the truth to be told when they can have more sweets from the magic sweetie tin paid for by the magic money tree...
Currently voters think that Labour's plans won't cost them. They will. But the Tories need to say so and how much it will cost them. If ever a manifesto needed the tax bombshell treatment, it's Labour's one.
I simply don't understand the level of complacency on the Tory side.
Quite. Where is Hammond btw? Surely the media don't think he's too boring to be of interest.
The Tories have the slight problem that they didn't trouble themselves with costing their own manifesto.
Finally, the Maybot has agreed to a proper return of fire.
Or has Boris just gone off-piste?
The great thing about letting Boris do it is that if it backfires she can let everythone think he's gone off-piste even if he hasn't.
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS! GO BORIS! AT BLOODY LAST!
Yes, in one corner we have a sneering entitled Old Etonian Bullingdon Clubber who was made Foreign Secretary having never been in the cabinet before, never been in the shadow cabinet, and without any foreign policy experience whatsoever, a man sacked twice from jobs in the "real world" for telling lies, a thug who conspired to have a journalist beaten up. And in the other corner, we have a man who sticks to his principles and wants to raise taxes for the rich. The electorate may be susceptible to right wing overtures that make use of xenophobia, but this is different. This is really us against them.
BRING IT ON!
Sticks to his principles? Not sure why he didn't say no to Trident when Neil first asked him.
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I think LAB peaked in yesterday YG could take a couple of hundred profit and sit back and watch
TMICIPM
Take That fans must never triumph over the forces of good.
https://twitter.com/AGKD123/status/742610213581258752
What of David Cameron? With this referendum he must be feeling like the couple who agreed to make home made porn. It sounded like a good idea at the time, he thought it would be fun to do, but now as he sits back and views his production, he must be thinking this hasn’t turned out how he expected it to turn out, whilst regretting his initial descision and feeling a bit nauseous about it all.
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/06/14/a-reminder-from-16-months-ago-about-the-danger-of-reading-too-much-into-one-day-of-polling/
Some of John Major's comment during the referendum, were absolutely appallying and I'm not surprised he has now disappeared from view.
Flexible and fast moving leadership responding to the needs of the time.
Her response won't just be heard by those watching the programme - it may well lead all news programmes and dominate the rest of the campaign.
Now she can't undo what she has already said but she absolutely has to get her response - at what is going to be the key moment - as good as she can.
Thus, right now the Conservatives should be focus grouping the issue like mad - working out exactly what response will go down best - exactly what she should emphasise, and the exact form of words she should use.
Two young people, aged about 18/19, I would guess. Young girl told her friend that she thought Andy Burnham was a conservative. Thankfully, friend put her right. Very scary!
"It was a stupid idea to bring your house into HomeCare calculations and I have changed my mind.
Anything less votes haemorrhage
I would imagine it's most likely she resigns in October 2020, a new leader comes in and then calls a May 2021 GE during their honeymoon.
Indeed 2021 most likely anyway (with FTPA abolition).
Actually this poll is nonsense
Manchester attack: 'Immense progress' made by police
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40056102
It depends on who sat on Burnham last and left their arsecheek impression on his unbelievably pliable opinions.
perhaps there's nothing much to see in the Corbs one.....
Based on that 56 seats could be exactly right.
But the whole thing is a complete nonsense.
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/05/22/perhaps-leave-really-are-going-to-win-this-referendum/
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/06/17/the-euref-might-be-more-like-the-av-referendum-and-not-the-indyref/
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/06/02/leaves-major-advantage-in-the-last-three-weeks-of-the-campaign-the-tory-press-is-on-their-side/
"A lecturer who taught the Manchester Arena bomber five to six years ago has told the Guardian that college staff or the then teenager’s peers reported him to police for expressing extremist views. The teacher, who asked not to be named, said Salman Abedi was a “slow, uneducated and passive” boy on an IT and business course at Trafford College specifically aimed at students at an “exceptionally low level”. The man, who no longer works at Trafford College, said he believes Abedi would have not been capable of plotting an attack of the magnitude seen at the Ariana Grande concert alone and may have been used by others. He said: “I tutor kids who are 11 years old and they’ve got better English and Maths than the kids who were on the course I used to teach which this lad was on. “It’s typically people who are either behaviourally problematic, so disruptive and angry, or need a lot of support and special needs. People talk about the planning and the intelligence you need to plan an attack. This was not an intelligent person.”
How did this lad get into Salford University ?
https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/868145992708837376
Anyway, most unis are desperate places. Get below about 40th in the league tables and its depressing, really depressing stuff.
They misheard me, and at cross-purposes, were completely agog that a noted pornographic actress had grown up in a castle in Britain.
After some minutes it turned out they were thinking of someone called Amber Lynn.
What would May give now to have someone from the EU pop up and turn the focus back on Brexit?
@davieclegg: Alister Craigie, 59, of Stobswell, Dundee to face trial over offensive Facebook posts in the wake of the Manchester terror attack.
1-1
Or has Boris just gone off-piste?
(Wouldn't that 1 seat be Orkney, btw? Funniest political thing ever if The Proven Liar was all the party could put forward as Leader....)
Not in the Alister Craigie league at all
I am planning my finances around this assumption now.
I simply don't understand the level of complacency on the Tory side.
Ooohhh i dont really know
Wheres the £8bN for nhs Coming from?
Ooohhh i dont really know
etc etc etc
The snowflakes, wets, weeds, plebs, proles, townies, interleckshals, Guardian readers and cucks are coming! The good thing about putting Mophead anywhere near the cameras before 8th June is that it raises the chances of a Labour victory. Where's Soamesy?
https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/868150771321327617
But the current rope-a-dope routine from the Tories could do with ending before too long....
Hope Andrew Neil knows this.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40065876
Another favourite quote on seeing an extravagant wedding dress "Ooh look! A tart in a meringue"
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LBC and Katie Hopkins have agreed that Katie will leave LBC effective immediately.
Anyone dare to comment?
After all, that was why so many people thought it was a bad idea for the Leader of the Opposition to agree to an early election.
Lovely to see the Remainers giving themselves both barrels point-blank in the arse over this. Post-Referendum Butthurt Disorder does cloud the judgment.
Edit: Yet
They say Lab tax raising plans will raise £10bn less than Lab say - and I think they implied that's a minimum shortfall - they also said CT rise will raise revenue short-term which will then drop off.
Certainly gave Con / broadcasters ammunition for attack.
If only the Conservatives had done nothing, instead of beingh over clever with their manifesto.
BRING IT ON!