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edited May 2017 in General

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The general election result will be made up of the results of 650 individual battles.  Some will be very predictable.  Here are twelve seats that will help to determine how the next Parliament will be comprised.

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    dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    FIRST? Lewis will hold on easily
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    dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    edited May 2017
    Increasing labour vote in Norwich and collapse of Green support, lump on Lewis, might be one of the few increasing his majority.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,969
    Third!
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,984
    Interesting suggestions, Mr. Meeks.

    Put a little on Mr. Price (thought I'd already done so, but must've forgotten).
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    rural_voterrural_voter Posts: 2,038
    About the NHS IT problem, I found some Microsoft warning text online:

    You must not grant the right to use the software in any application or situation where the software failure could lead to death or serious bodily injury of any person, or to severe physical or environmental damage (“High Risk Use”). Examples of High Risk Use include, but are not limited to: aircraft or other modes of human mass transportation, nuclear or chemical facilities, life support systems, implantable medical equipment, motor vehicles, or weaponry systems

    Quite. Their disclaimer seems to cover any section of the NHS that hopes to provide emergency treatment.
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    PongPong Posts: 4,693
    edited May 2017
    Sh*t. Is this the NSA's fault?!!

    Their hacking tools got hacked last month.

    https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/04/14/latest_shadow_brokers_data_dump/

    "The Shadow Brokers have leaked more hacking tools stolen from the NSA's Equation Group – this time four-year-old exploits that attempt to hijack venerable Windows systems, from Windows 2000 up to Server 2012 and Windows 7 and 8.

    The toolkit puts into anyone's hands – from moronic script kiddies to hardened crims – highly classified nation-state-level weaponry that can potentially compromise and commandeer systems around the world. This is the same powerful toolkit Uncle Sam used once upon a time to hack into and secretly snoop on foreign governments, telcos, banks, and other organizations."

    --

    https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/04/21/windows_hacked_nsa_shadow_brokers/

    "The polite term for what's happening is a bloodbath. The impolite version is dumpster fire clown shoes shit show," Tentler said. "I'm hopeful this is the wakeup moment for people over patching Windows machines."
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,984
    Anyway, I must be off. F1 should be on the normal sort of timetable. If anyone does fancy a silly bet, then Verstappen's out to 67 for pole (each way) on Ladbrokes. Not a proper tip (I'm making some frivolous suggestions giving the anniversary of my flukiest ever win), but there is the possibility of heavy rain *and* Red Bull appear to have made a significant leap forward in performance.
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    MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    A treasure trove. Good to see antifrank back on form after post-Brexit doldrums.
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    About the NHS IT problem, I found some Microsoft warning text online:

    You must not grant the right to use the software in any application or situation where the software failure could lead to death or serious bodily injury of any person, or to severe physical or environmental damage (“High Risk Use”). Examples of High Risk Use include, but are not limited to: aircraft or other modes of human mass transportation, nuclear or chemical facilities, life support systems, implantable medical equipment, motor vehicles, or weaponry systems

    Quite. Their disclaimer seems to cover any section of the NHS that hopes to provide emergency treatment.

    Not necessarily. If the machine is used to play minesweeper while A&E staff on the night shift wait for patients to arrive then that's not a problem...
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,822
    Wow. This NHS attack sounds serious...
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,969
    GIN1138 said:

    Wow. This NHS attack sounds serious...

    Apparently it wasn't targeted at the NHS explicitly.. it's on a much larger scale
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,780
    Norwich South

    I'm guessing Lewis hangs on. It went Labour quite significantly in 2015, he's high profile without being widely disliked, and the Tory vote is still quite a ways back without massive UKIP votes to squeeze.

    Exeter

    Normal course of events it seems an obvious CON gain, but I think Alistair calls this one right as well - I don't know what about the local area or his efforts as an MP have led to this, but they seem fans of Labour down there.

    Don Valley

    I'm betting on the Tories winning, but I don't expect a pay off. The Tories are still a long way back and need almost all the UKIP vote and some switchers (or big Labour vote staying at home). Clearly possible, and I get a payday if it happens, but I'm not hugely confident.

    Rochdale

    Seems about right - Labour are vulnerable but a long way ahead given the former challengers are so far back now.

    Bristol West

    If it so Lefty, I cannot see why it would go anything other than Labour, but I guess the Greens are worth a shout - as we've seen in Brighton, people love the progressive cred of having a Green MP, even non Greens.

    Hartlepool

    Tory win seems a pretty good guess, but I'm banking on the UKIP vote doing just enough to prevent it.

    Thurrock

    Seems a sound analysis. Tough for UKIP anywhere right now, even with a good 2015 base and a good candidate.

    Sheffield Hallam

    I'm told Clegg is personally still very popular in the seat, but I think he might be toast. The Tories wont' save him this time.

    East Renfrewshire

    Good test of the ability and willingness of the scottish unionist to vote tactically I guess, even where the 'most' likely starts from third. If SCON take this, surely a very good night.

    I'm betting SNP hold.

    Oddly, the wikipedia page for this seat has as its first line 'East Renfrewshire is a highly affluent constituency'. The sort of detail that is usually found lower down in such a page, I would think, not sure why its affluence is so significant it needs to be in the opening line.

    Torfaen

    Again, seems sound. Great strides made, but just too big a hurdle to leap for the Tories.

    Carmarthen East & Dinefwr

    I'm instinctively not well inclined to nationalist seats, so it'd be nice to see the Tories take it. Seems like they have a shot.

    Belfast South

    Who knows with NI?
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,031

    About the NHS IT problem, I found some Microsoft warning text online:

    You must not grant the right to use the software in any application or situation where the software failure could lead to death or serious bodily injury of any person, or to severe physical or environmental damage (“High Risk Use”). Examples of High Risk Use include, but are not limited to: aircraft or other modes of human mass transportation, nuclear or chemical facilities, life support systems, implantable medical equipment, motor vehicles, or weaponry systems

    Quite. Their disclaimer seems to cover any section of the NHS that hopes to provide emergency treatment.

    Not necessarily. If the machine is used to play minesweeper while A&E staff on the night shift wait for patients to arrive then that's not a problem...
    It's when they get that document they *really need* to print out, and therefore bring a USB stick from home and plug it in so they can use the work printer.

    Yes, this happens, and yes, I've seen people disciplined for it. Not for the personal use of the printer and resources, but for plugging a USB stick into a supposedly secure PC.

    The sad thing about this event is that it's probably just a script kiddie. They're the lowest of the low: at least genuine black hat hackers have skill.
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    Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    On topic: seems that Mr Meeks is onboard with the idea of a Tory landslide. That is, I am cautiously optimistic of such an outcome, but even so I think Don Valley is a pretty huge ask.

    It'll be interesting to know nearer the time when we might be getting a rough timetable for the declarations. I'm also interested in Nuneaton (to see exactly how much the likely Con majority increases by,) Mansfield (which is the target furthest down the Conservative list that would move into the Conservative column on a 50% transfer of the 2015 Ukip vote,) and Moray (to see if the Scottish Tory surge has enough strength to knock over Angus Robertson.)
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    RobinWiggsRobinWiggs Posts: 621
    edited May 2017
    FPT

    Well, that was one of my more interesting afternoons as an NHS senior manager. I havent read the thread but some quick observations.

    The IT team are worth their weight in gold.
    Organisations that are upto date with their security patches were ok (we were) in terms of the infection.
    The interdependence of NHS IT systems between organisations is extensive and complex.
    As a result the preventative measures taken widely (shutdown external links) created operational difficulties on a scale larger than the infection and affected most organisations.
    NHS staff of all disciplines respond superbly in these types of scenarios.

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    SirNorfolkPassmoreSirNorfolkPassmore Posts: 6,259
    edited May 2017
    Predictions on the big 12:

    Norwich South - Labour hold; local elections better than fine for the reds here.

    Exeter - Labour hold; Bradshaw a good operator, and machine too strong for blues.

    Don Valley - Tory gain; UKIP absence vital.

    Rochdale - Labour hold; Danczuk to get derisory vote but hefty "resettlement" for technically losing in battle.

    Bristol West - Labour hold; slightly perverse electorate, and Greens always huff and puff here but ultimately can't see it.

    Hartlepool - comfortable Tory gain.

    Thurrock - very comfortable Tory hold.

    Sheffield Hallam - Clegg hold; Labour have a fight in Central with Green Bennett and Tories can have all the wet dreams they like, but they still have no councillors in the city.

    East Renfrewshire - SNP hold; guessing about Scotland though, to be honest.

    Torfaen - Labour hold; close, but bridge too far.

    Carmarthen East - Plaid hold; Labour won't be making gains in 2017, and I am not sure where the blues will get the necessary votes from.

    Belfast South - SDLP hold; SF will vote tactically, Alliance and DUP won't.
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    I think Bradshaw and Flint's profiles will keep them afloat in Exeter and Don Valley.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    In very rough order of confidence:

    Hallam - Lib Dem Hold
    Thurrock - Tory Hold.
    Bristol West - Labour Hold
    Hartlepool - Con Gain
    Rochdale - Lab Hold
    Norwich South - Lab Hold
    Exeter - Labour Hold
    Don Valley - Con Gain
    Carmathen East - Con Gain
    Torfaen - Con Gain
    East Renfrewshire - Con Gain
    Belfast South - DUP Gain
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    chestnut said:

    I think Bradshaw and Flint's profiles will keep them afloat in Exeter and Don Valley.

    Bradshaw's might, Flint's remain stance won't.
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    YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172
    edited May 2017
    CE & D -- where is the evidence that this seat voted Leave?

    Carmarthenshire voted Leave 53.7 to 46.3. It is not contiguous with CE & D.

    Carmarthenshire includes the seat of Llanelli, which is demographically similar to Swansea East or Neath, where we know there was a big Leave vote.

    My guess is Llanelli voted overwhelming Leave, and CE & D voted Remain.

    Plaid increased their Councillors on Carmarthenshire Council. In fact, Plaid did well in rural areas, increasing their councillors in Ynys Mon, Gwynedd, Ceredigion & Carmarthenshire. They didn't do very well in the cities.

    This is PC hold.

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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited May 2017
    Don Valley, socialist or Labour MPs since 1918. Blimey, not parachuted into a safe seat then.

    Good article Mr Meeks, many thanks. I shall be paying a visit to my bookmaker, first thing.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    edited May 2017
    Tories ahead in the North-East in Ashcroft's megasurvey.
    & London
    & 8% in Wales
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,190
    Not sure this is a great look for @Tissue_Price:

    (address in the Burton
    Constituency)
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,780
    Pulpstar said:

    Tories ahead in the North-East in Ashcroft's megasurvey.

    The Good Lord will be gracing us with his presence in the polling worse throughout this campaign, will he? Excellent.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
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    EastwingerEastwinger Posts: 351
    Lump on Lewis.

    8/15 is free money.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    kle4 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Tories ahead in the North-East in Ashcroft's megasurvey.

    The Good Lord will be gracing us with his presence in the polling worse throughout this campaign, will he? Excellent.
    Wasn't it pretty pisspoor last time round?
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    http://lordashcroftpolls.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/2017_GE_Survey-Final-tables.pdf

    Page 15 tables. Utterly shocking for Labour. Behind in the North East ffsake !
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,780
    Very on message - she was a Remainer, but now she's all about Theresa May. Also reusing resources, very economical.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    edited May 2017

    kle4 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Tories ahead in the North-East in Ashcroft's megasurvey.

    The Good Lord will be gracing us with his presence in the polling worse throughout this campaign, will he? Excellent.
    Wasn't it pretty pisspoor last time round?
    Too favourable to Labour :p

    Scotland was good tho.
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    FF43FF43 Posts: 15,722
    East Renfrewshire is a genuine three way marginal. On paper the Tories look to be in a strong position, but my gut tells me SNP. Not sure why. Partly the incumbency.

    I too fancy Alliance for Belfast South. Not from any knowledge of the constituency, I should add. It's leafy and where Queens University is.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    edited May 2017
    I reckon Tories for East Renfrewshire based off the Holyrood + strong Scottish polling.
    Should never have been really Labour for donkey's years from everything I hear about it, Murphy had a heck of a personal vote. That'll unwind to the Tories.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,780
    Pulpstar said:

    http://lordashcroftpolls.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/2017_GE_Survey-Final-tables.pdf

    Page 15 tables. Utterly shocking for Labour. Behind in the North East ffsake !

    Behind in London, Yeah, right.
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,661
    edited May 2017
    "The Ashcroft Model":
    http://lordashcroftpolls.com/

    "So: what do the first results tell us? The Ashcroft Model currently estimates that the Tories are ahead in between 406 and 415 constituencies, depending on whether turnout matches that of the 2015 election, the 2016 referendum, or voters’ own declared likelihood to turn up on 8 June. This implies an overall Conservative majority of between 162 and 180 seats in the House of Commons – but don’t forget, we are talking about probabilities not predictions: within those figures, 39 seats are categorised as “too close to call” and a further 63 are only “leaning” towards rather than “likely” for one party."
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    TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    Just thinking, as I read this piece, how amazing focused you serious bettors are. If we could harness you all we'd have the betting equivalent to a super computer. But it would probably be more like trying to herd cats.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,190
    Pulpstar said:

    http://lordashcroftpolls.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/2017_GE_Survey-Final-tables.pdf

    Page 15 tables. Utterly shocking for Labour. Behind in the North East ffsake !

    Tories ahead in London? :|
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    It's not just the nhs....

    Cyberattacks in 12 Nations Said to Use Leaked N.S.A. Hacking Tool https://nyti.ms/2r8aZJF
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Look at the gender imbalance in the sample - loads of young women and old men.
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    paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,461
    Pulpstar said:

    http://lordashcroftpolls.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/2017_GE_Survey-Final-tables.pdf

    Page 15 tables. Utterly shocking for Labour. Behind in the North East ffsake !

    SNP at 36% too if I'm reading it right. vs Blues 27%.
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    kle4 said:

    Very on message - she was a Remainer, but now she's all about Theresa May. Also reusing resources, very economical.
    Just hope the result is better than last time it was used
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    RhubarbRhubarb Posts: 359
    edited May 2017
    chestnut said:

    Look at the gender imbalance in the sample - loads of young women and old men.

    The C2s are roughly 1/4 of the C1 count and must be massively upweighted.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,780

    kle4 said:

    Very on message - she was a Remainer, but now she's all about Theresa May. Also reusing resources, very economical.
    Just hope the result is better than last time it was used
    I'm sure the Tories would be very happy to get 48%
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,625
    chestnut said:

    Look at the gender imbalance in the sample - loads of young women and old men.

    They've been polling in SeanT's flat
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    paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,461

    Pulpstar said:

    http://lordashcroftpolls.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/2017_GE_Survey-Final-tables.pdf

    Page 15 tables. Utterly shocking for Labour. Behind in the North East ffsake !

    SNP at 36% too if I'm reading it right. vs Blues 27%.
    altho thats with dont knows etc separate.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,190

    Pulpstar said:

    http://lordashcroftpolls.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/2017_GE_Survey-Final-tables.pdf

    Page 15 tables. Utterly shocking for Labour. Behind in the North East ffsake !

    SNP at 36% too if I'm reading it right. vs Blues 27%.
    Not excluding don't knows etc.
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976

    chestnut said:

    Look at the gender imbalance in the sample - loads of young women and old men.

    They've been polling in SeanT's flat
    :lol:
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    paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,461
    tlg86 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    http://lordashcroftpolls.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/2017_GE_Survey-Final-tables.pdf

    Page 15 tables. Utterly shocking for Labour. Behind in the North East ffsake !

    SNP at 36% too if I'm reading it right. vs Blues 27%.
    Not excluding don't knows etc.
    thanks. but if Blues can get 75% of SNP that's impressive.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,031
    Toms said:

    Just thinking, as I read this piece, how amazing focused you serious bettors are. If we could harness you all we'd have the betting equivalent to a super computer. But it would probably be more like trying to herd cats.

    It's the signal-to-noise ratio. There are some gems, but also a great deal of wish-fulfilment crud. The problem is that some (most?) of those giving the gems also occasionally indulge themselves in wish-fulfilment. ;)
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,969

    chestnut said:

    Look at the gender imbalance in the sample - loads of young women and old men.

    They've been polling in SeanT's flat
    Titters
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,969

    tlg86 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    http://lordashcroftpolls.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/2017_GE_Survey-Final-tables.pdf

    Page 15 tables. Utterly shocking for Labour. Behind in the North East ffsake !

    SNP at 36% too if I'm reading it right. vs Blues 27%.
    Not excluding don't knows etc.
    thanks. but if Blues can get 75% of SNP that's impressive.
    I have my trusty Klaxon at the ready.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    Ashcroft's work was tremendously valuable last time. You just need to take care as with any other model/tool.
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    TomsToms Posts: 2,478

    Toms said:

    Just thinking, as I read this piece, how amazing focused you serious bettors are. If we could harness you all we'd have the betting equivalent to a super computer. But it would probably be more like trying to herd cats.

    It's the signal-to-noise ratio. There are some gems, but also a great deal of wish-fulfilment crud. The problem is that some (most?) of those giving the gems also occasionally indulge themselves in wish-fulfilment. ;)
    Now that's a language I can understand, especially the 1st bit.
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    maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,391

    chestnut said:

    Look at the gender imbalance in the sample - loads of young women and old men.

    They've been polling in SeanT's flat
    +1000000000000
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    Best PM, May on 61% in the NorthEast of England...
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    calumcalum Posts: 3,046
    Pulpstar said:

    Ashcroft's work was tremendously valuable last time. You just need to take care as with any other model/tool.

    Indeed, re Scotland it appears that we may have a shy Labour problem !!
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    dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    Pulpstar said:

    Best PM, May on 61% in the NorthEast of England...

    Geordies for the vicars daughter
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,780
    calum said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Ashcroft's work was tremendously valuable last time. You just need to take care as with any other model/tool.

    Indeed, re Scotland it appears that we may have a shy Labour problem !!
    Turnup for the books, there.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,780

    Pulpstar said:

    Best PM, May on 61% in the NorthEast of England...

    Geordies for the vicars daughter
    Thinking Best PM is not necessarily the same as voting Tory
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,625
    I am currently watching an SNP party political broadcast on Channel 4. In Yorkshire. Is there something I should know?
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited May 2017
    I make that a 20-point lead on the Ashcroft poll, once DK's are excluded.

    Tories 47%
    Labour 27%
    Lib Dems 12%
    UKIP 6%
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    Very on message - she was a Remainer, but now she's all about Theresa May. Also reusing resources, very economical.
    Just hope the result is better than last time it was used
    I'm sure the Tories would be very happy to get 48%
    I'm sure they'd be even happier to get 52% ;)
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    tlg86 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    http://lordashcroftpolls.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/2017_GE_Survey-Final-tables.pdf

    Page 15 tables. Utterly shocking for Labour. Behind in the North East ffsake !

    SNP at 36% too if I'm reading it right. vs Blues 27%.
    Not excluding don't knows etc.
    thanks. but if Blues can get 75% of SNP that's impressive.
    Which party did you vote for in the general election in May 2015?

    SNP 40%
    Con 20%


    Actual reality

    SNP 50%
    Con 15%
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    edited May 2017
    kle4 said:

    calum said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Ashcroft's work was tremendously valuable last time. You just need to take care as with any other model/tool.

    Indeed, re Scotland it appears that we may have a shy Labour problem !!
    Turnip for the books, there.
    Fixed
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    Alistair said:

    tlg86 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    http://lordashcroftpolls.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/2017_GE_Survey-Final-tables.pdf

    Page 15 tables. Utterly shocking for Labour. Behind in the North East ffsake !

    SNP at 36% too if I'm reading it right. vs Blues 27%.
    Not excluding don't knows etc.
    thanks. but if Blues can get 75% of SNP that's impressive.
    Which party did you vote for in the general election in May 2015?

    SNP 40%
    Con 20%


    Actual reality

    SNP 50%
    Con 15%
    Good old false recall. Some folks misremembering their SNP vote :p
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,780
    Pulpstar said:

    Alistair said:

    tlg86 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    http://lordashcroftpolls.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/2017_GE_Survey-Final-tables.pdf

    Page 15 tables. Utterly shocking for Labour. Behind in the North East ffsake !

    SNP at 36% too if I'm reading it right. vs Blues 27%.
    Not excluding don't knows etc.
    thanks. but if Blues can get 75% of SNP that's impressive.
    Which party did you vote for in the general election in May 2015?

    SNP 40%
    Con 20%


    Actual reality

    SNP 50%
    Con 15%
    Good old false recall. Some folks misremembering their SNP vote :p
    If Brexit goes sourly expect to see recall of a remain vote before too long.
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    JonWCJonWC Posts: 285
    I guess I can say something useful about Exeter having stood there against Ben years ago. The Labour machine there is formidable - far outstripping the Tories who are a bit of a shower to be honest. I wouldn't attach too much significance to the Bradshaw personal vote, like nearly everywhere else half the voters do not know or care who their MP is, they vote for the party they see on TV, and like most of provincial England there is very little of the champagne socialist and revolutionary contingent to find JC anything other than radioactive. There will be a flood of pro-hunting activists for the Tories, nothing else for them to do anywhere nearby as the LibDems are busted in Brexitland. My experience of them is that they are exactly the kind of people that anti-hunting fanatics (of which Ben is one) say they are and are best left to deliver leaflets and god forbid they actually talk to anyone. A sighter might be that Labour retained all their seats last week, but the additional GE voters in Exeter probably lean May far more than Corbyn.

    Having said all that my conclusion would be that if national swings are big enough BB won't outperform hugely.. a few pct extra will wash him away too.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    I am currently watching an SNP party political broadcast on Channel 4. In Yorkshire. Is there something I should know?

    They are who will be running the country if it isn't May. ;)
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    dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    edited May 2017
    Danny565 said:

    I make that a 20-point lead on the Ashcroft poll, once DK's are excluded.

    Tories 47%
    Labour 27%
    Lib Dems 12%
    UKIP 6%

    Filter out Ukip only standing in about half and you get 49-28 ish
    Would be meltdown territory if the vote efficiency disintegrates
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    paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,461
    Alistair said:

    tlg86 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    http://lordashcroftpolls.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/2017_GE_Survey-Final-tables.pdf

    Page 15 tables. Utterly shocking for Labour. Behind in the North East ffsake !

    SNP at 36% too if I'm reading it right. vs Blues 27%.
    Not excluding don't knows etc.
    thanks. but if Blues can get 75% of SNP that's impressive.
    Which party did you vote for in the general election in May 2015?

    SNP 40%
    Con 20%


    Actual reality

    SNP 50%
    Con 15%
    Thanks. Bad sample or bad memory?
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    chestnut said:

    Look at the gender imbalance in the sample - loads of young women and old men.

    They've been polling in SeanT's flat
    Only SeanT would be enfranchised .....
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    SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    Pulpstar said:

    Alistair said:

    tlg86 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    http://lordashcroftpolls.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/2017_GE_Survey-Final-tables.pdf

    Page 15 tables. Utterly shocking for Labour. Behind in the North East ffsake !

    SNP at 36% too if I'm reading it right. vs Blues 27%.
    Not excluding don't knows etc.
    thanks. but if Blues can get 75% of SNP that's impressive.
    Which party did you vote for in the general election in May 2015?

    SNP 40%
    Con 20%


    Actual reality

    SNP 50%
    Con 15%
    Good old false recall. Some folks misremembering their SNP vote :p
    Yup SNP are the nasty party
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    maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,391
    kle4 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Alistair said:

    tlg86 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    http://lordashcroftpolls.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/2017_GE_Survey-Final-tables.pdf

    Page 15 tables. Utterly shocking for Labour. Behind in the North East ffsake !

    SNP at 36% too if I'm reading it right. vs Blues 27%.
    Not excluding don't knows etc.
    thanks. but if Blues can get 75% of SNP that's impressive.
    Which party did you vote for in the general election in May 2015?

    SNP 40%
    Con 20%


    Actual reality

    SNP 50%
    Con 15%
    Good old false recall. Some folks misremembering their SNP vote :p
    If Brexit goes sourly expect to see recall of a remain vote before too long.
    Most pollsters found a remain vote on the day itself.

    Ashcroft poll was in the field 2 weeks ago, since which the Labour vote inexplicably seems to have firmed up, at least in polls.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,780
    Interesting titbit, and despite the title not a hagiographic piece about the EU

    Why does Belgium shine so brightly?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39900940
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,898
    Great thread, thanks @AlastairMeeks.
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    BromptonautBromptonaut Posts: 1,113
    kle4 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Alistair said:

    tlg86 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    http://lordashcroftpolls.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/2017_GE_Survey-Final-tables.pdf

    Page 15 tables. Utterly shocking for Labour. Behind in the North East ffsake !

    SNP at 36% too if I'm reading it right. vs Blues 27%.
    Not excluding don't knows etc.
    thanks. but if Blues can get 75% of SNP that's impressive.
    Which party did you vote for in the general election in May 2015?

    SNP 40%
    Con 20%


    Actual reality

    SNP 50%
    Con 15%
    Good old false recall. Some folks misremembering their SNP vote :p
    If When Brexit goes sourly expect to see recall of a remain vote before too long.
    Fixed.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    On every single one of those "Pick a statement from these two" questions Scotland/SNP subsample is the most extremely divergent split. Every single time.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Pulpstar said:

    Alistair said:

    tlg86 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    http://lordashcroftpolls.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/2017_GE_Survey-Final-tables.pdf

    Page 15 tables. Utterly shocking for Labour. Behind in the North East ffsake !

    SNP at 36% too if I'm reading it right. vs Blues 27%.
    Not excluding don't knows etc.
    thanks. but if Blues can get 75% of SNP that's impressive.
    Which party did you vote for in the general election in May 2015?

    SNP 40%
    Con 20%


    Actual reality

    SNP 50%
    Con 15%
    Good old false recall. Some folks misremembering their SNP vote :p
    It bravely ask 2010 vote as well and get SNP 30%, actual was SNP 20%.

    So, there you go.
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    rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787
    edited May 2017

    CE & D -- where is the evidence that this seat voted Leave?

    Carmarthenshire voted Leave 53.7 to 46.3. It is not contiguous with CE & D.

    Carmarthenshire includes the seat of Llanelli, which is demographically similar to Swansea East or Neath, where we know there was a big Leave vote.

    My guess is Llanelli voted overwhelming Leave, and CE & D voted Remain.

    Plaid increased their Councillors on Carmarthenshire Council. In fact, Plaid did well in rural areas, increasing their councillors in Ynys Mon, Gwynedd, Ceredigion & Carmarthenshire. They didn't do very well in the cities.

    This is PC hold.

    Rural Carmarthenshire, like Ceredigion to its north, just doesn't vote Tory. I think there is a case to be made that the core reason is not socio-economic make-up nor language, but religion: these areas are the traditional core of Welsh Non-conformism, and still remember that the Church of England was once characterised as the Tory Party at prayer.
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    YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172
    My suggestion of the Welsh seat to watch (having predicted Gower would go blue on here last time) is the Rhondda.

    At the locals, Plaid Cymru got 18525 votes against Labour’s 16985 votes, and in actual seats Plaid Cymru won 14, Labour 10, Ind 1 in Rhondda constituency.

    RCT was Leave, and Bryant voted against his constituents on Article 50.

    Bryant has shed votes in every election. No matter whether Labour was doing well or badly, there was always a swing against Bryant.

    There'll be another swing against him in a few weeks time.


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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited May 2017

    Alistair said:

    tlg86 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    http://lordashcroftpolls.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/2017_GE_Survey-Final-tables.pdf

    Page 15 tables. Utterly shocking for Labour. Behind in the North East ffsake !

    SNP at 36% too if I'm reading it right. vs Blues 27%.
    Not excluding don't knows etc.
    thanks. but if Blues can get 75% of SNP that's impressive.
    Which party did you vote for in the general election in May 2015?

    SNP 40%
    Con 20%


    Actual reality

    SNP 50%
    Con 15%
    Thanks. Bad sample or bad memory?
    Excellent question, no one will know the answer. My hot take is it shows SNP vote is down (people not wanting to admit they are switching vote) and Con vote is up (for similar reasons)
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,011
    edited May 2017
    Chuka Umunna, Stella Creasy, David Lammy, Andy Slaughter, Stephen Timms, Rushanara Ali, Karen Buck, Seema Malhotra issue a pamphlet entitled 'Stop Hard Brexit: Why London needs the Single Market'
    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/chuka-umunna-breaks-ranks-with-labour-on-brexit-with-demand-to-stay-in-eu-single-market-a3537461.html
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285

    chestnut said:

    Look at the gender imbalance in the sample - loads of young women and old men.

    They've been polling in SeanT's flat
    Hits Like Button...
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,898

    Well, that was one of my more interesting afternoons as an NHS senior manager. I havent read the thread but some quick observations.

    The IT team are worth their weight in gold.
    Organisations that are upto date with their security patches were ok (we were) in terms of the infection.
    The interdependence of NHS IT systems between organisations is extensive and complex.
    As a result the preventative measures taken widely (shutdown external links) created operational difficulties on a scale larger than the infection and affected most organisations.
    NHS staff of all disciplines respond superbly in these types of scenarios.

    Glad you survived the day, hopefully the profile of this incident will be a wake up call to all senior managers in companies small and large to make sure they have distaster recovery plans - and test them regularly to make sure they work!

    I think I'm going to have a busy summer as an independent IT consultant, this will have given a nudge to a lot of companies to make sure their systems are up to date, and that they have put sufficient resources into understanding and mitigating the risks of such events within their organisations.

    Oh, and everyone reading this, be nice to your IT guys - the cost of the occasional pizza sent down to their bunker will be repaid a thousand times over on days like these ;)
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,780
    HYUFD said:

    Chuka Umunna, Stella Creasy, David Lammy, Andy Slaughter, Stephen Timms, Rushanara Ali, Karen Buck, Seema Malhotra issue a pamphlet entitled 'Stop Hard Brexit: Why London needs the Single Market'
    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/chuka-umunna-breaks-ranks-with-labour-on-brexit-with-demand-to-stay-in-eu-single-market-a3537461.html

    Given the Tories are expected to win regardless, while I don't think it will work a big Tory majority is surely the best chance of stopping Hard Brexit, as it means TMay could perform an embarrassing u-turn easier.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,822
    RobD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Wow. This NHS attack sounds serious...

    Apparently it wasn't targeted at the NHS explicitly.. it's on a much larger scale
    Yeah, just catching up with the scale of this!
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    OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    It seems unfair to comment on an excellent article with a criticism, but Alastair neglects to mention that the Green vote in 2015 was actually down on 2010, and the signs are that they are going further backwards locally.

    This is one of the seats that will probably be benefiting from new enthusiastic activists from Corbyn, in contrast to many other parts of the country. In a ranking of seats by the increase in Labour vote share I would expect to see this seat at or near the top.

    Question: How many seats will see an increase in the Labour share of the vote?
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    dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    Lol Sky asking some Spanish guy 'who might be behind this?'
    Oooooooh is it Mr Jenkins the Janitor?
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    Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    On the general subject of crystal ball gazing, would there be any interest amongst PB'ers in running a General Election prediction contest? As a sad geek for number crunching, I might be willing to help to organise such a thing if others lack the time...

    Apologies if this idea has already come up again and been rejected in my absence.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited May 2017
    Alistair said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Alistair said:

    tlg86 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    http://lordashcroftpolls.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/2017_GE_Survey-Final-tables.pdf

    Page 15 tables. Utterly shocking for Labour. Behind in the North East ffsake !

    SNP at 36% too if I'm reading it right. vs Blues 27%.
    Not excluding don't knows etc.
    thanks. but if Blues can get 75% of SNP that's impressive.
    Which party did you vote for in the general election in May 2015?

    SNP 40%
    Con 20%


    Actual reality

    SNP 50%
    Con 15%
    Good old false recall. Some folks misremembering their SNP vote :p
    It bravely ask 2010 vote as well and get SNP 30%, actual was SNP 20%.

    So, there you go.
    Ah-ha, they have Scotland 2010 LibDem vote as 10%, in actual 19%.

    People ashamed of saying they voted for Torylite clearly.

    Lol, they have 2010 Labout vote as 21%! It was 42%.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285

    Lol Sky asking some Spanish guy 'who might be behind this?'
    Oooooooh is it Mr Jenkins the Janitor?

    Mr Green in the library?
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    Britain has not fought just war since 1945, says Jeremy Corbyn, prompting anger from veterans

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/12/britain-has-not-fought-just-war-since-1945-says-jeremy-corbyn/
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    dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786

    It seems unfair to comment on an excellent article with a criticism, but Alastair neglects to mention that the Green vote in 2015 was actually down on 2010, and the signs are that they are going further backwards locally.

    This is one of the seats that will probably be benefiting from new enthusiastic activists from Corbyn, in contrast to many other parts of the country. In a ranking of seats by the increase in Labour vote share I would expect to see this seat at or near the top.

    Question: How many seats will see an increase in the Labour share of the vote?

    Norwich South will see an increase and I'd actually not be surprised by am increase in Norwich north due to the city parts of the constituency trending red. Chloe is safe though
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    Perhaps the Tories might ask this guy to stand in for Mrs May in the faux debates....

    The Labour leader’s comments were also attacked by Rob Gray, an Army veteran who was jeered for challenging Mr Corbyn over his views on prosecuting veterans in Northern Ireland this week.

    Mr Gray said: “The man’s an idiot. Jeremy Corbyn is an insult to friends of mine who died in Northern Ireland because he will not support British troops.

    “The man does not care about our war dead, he cares more about the IRA dead, Hezbollah dead.”
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    augustus_carpaugustus_carp Posts: 224
    Sandpit said:

    Well, that was one of my more interesting afternoons as an NHS senior manager. I havent read the thread but some quick observations.

    The IT team are worth their weight in gold.
    Organisations that are upto date with their security patches were ok (we were) in terms of the infection.
    The interdependence of NHS IT systems between organisations is extensive and complex.
    As a result the preventative measures taken widely (shutdown external links) created operational difficulties on a scale larger than the infection and affected most organisations.
    NHS staff of all disciplines respond superbly in these types of scenarios.

    Glad you survived the day, hopefully the profile of this incident will be a wake up call to all senior managers in companies small and large to make sure they have distaster recovery plans - and test them regularly to make sure they work!

    I think I'm going to have a busy summer as an independent IT consultant, this will have given a nudge to a lot of companies to make sure their systems are up to date, and that they have put sufficient resources into understanding and mitigating the risks of such events within their organisations.

    Oh, and everyone reading this, be nice to your IT guys - the cost of the occasional pizza sent down to their bunker will be repaid a thousand times over on days like these ;)
    +1
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    PaulMPaulM Posts: 613
    edited May 2017
    Norwich South - Labour hold;

    Exeter - Labour hold - good MP and good campaign. The article he wrote for Tristan Hunts book on Labour in England was instructive.

    Don Valley - Labour hold. Not enough Tories.

    Rochdale - Labour but close run thing. Don't think Tony Lloyd being from Manchester will help. Its a bit Royston Vasey up there - local constituency for local people.

    Bristol West - Toss up. Maybe Green.

    Hartlepool - Labour squeak it.

    Thurrock - Tory hold easy

    Sheffield Hallam - Clegg hold;

    East Renfrewshire - Tory gain ? although I believe the constituency has added a couple of council schemes since the days when it was a Tory stronghold.

    Torfaen - Labour hold; Not enough Tories.

    Carmarthen East - Plaid hold;

    Belfast South - Alliance gain
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    brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    edited May 2017
    Why are people talking about the Ashcroft survey like it is a properly weighted poll? It is a survey designed to inform a constituency model.

    http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2017/05/election-2017-ashcroft-model/

    The information on the constituencies is interesting.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,626

    chestnut said:

    Look at the gender imbalance in the sample - loads of young women and old men.

    They've been polling in SeanT's flat
    Hits Like Button...
    Jenson isn't that old...
    :-)
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,898
    edited May 2017
    For those who are interested, it looks like the crowdsourced effort to record all the candidates has finished collating all 650 seats and 3,300 candidates.
    List, by party: https://candidates.democracyclub.org.uk/numbers/election/parl.2017-06-08/parties
    Spreadsheet: https://candidates.democracyclub.org.uk/media/candidates-parl.2017-06-08.csv
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