Torygraph looks like it might have the story that sets this election alight - but Twitter pic too lo-res to read properly on my phone. Can't get up as cat fast asleep on my leg.
I presume you're talking about this?
Exclusive: 100 moderate Labour MPs to form breakaway group if Jeremy Corbyn stays on after a Tory landslide
Labour faces a historic split after the election with as many as 100 of the party's MPs set to walk out and form their own breakaway group in an attempt to force out Jeremy Corbyn, The Daily Telegraph can disclose.
Moderate Labour candidates are already in talks with potential donors about a new “Progressives” group forming in Parliament if Mr Corbyn stays on as leader after a Tory landslide.
One potential scenario is for the MPs to resign the Labour whip and become independents grouped together in the Commons under the Progressives banner.
They could then rejoin the Parliamentary Labour Party once Mr Corbyn had been replaced with a leader they supported.
Dan Jarvis, Yvette Cooper and Sir Keir Starmer could be asked to lead the group, although there is no suggestion they have been approached or been involved in the talks.
That's your lot, the rest is behind the paywall.
The big question; Are they going to be the many or the few?
I'm in Vauxhall and would love to give Dolly my vote. However, I feel I have to reward Kate for her integrity, even though it really pains me to add a vote to the Labour tally.
The campaign's getting personal already in the leaflets. The Lib Dems flyer quotes odds from PP to make out it's a two horse race. Can't see it though. The ethnic vote will be solid for Hoey and I doubt the Tories will do much worse than last time. I hope the Lib Dems come third.
Did Mrs May get on the blower and say Donald could you do me a favour...got any decisions in the pipeline that might make a bit of splash....fancy making them now?
The CPS will announce its charging decisions over the Tory election fraud tomorrow at 11:00. MPs will be told of the outcome at 10:30. Most MPs Guido has spoken to fully expect no further action to be taken. Craig Mackinlay on the other hand has a nervous night ahead…
The CPS will announce its charging decisions over the Tory election fraud tomorrow at 11:00. MPs will be told of the outcome at 10:30. Most MPs Guido has spoken to fully expect no further action to be taken. Craig Mackinlay on the other hand has a nervous night ahead…
When I ask about her dealings with the current MP, Labour’s Jack Dromey, there is a pause followed by a long sigh. “I don’t feel like I have much of a choice. Most people around here won’t vote. I would like to vote Labour but things aren’t changing so I feel like I can’t.”
Through Elliott’s eyes, Erdington is increasingly segregated with stark ethnic divides. We walk on to Slade Road, which lies to the south of Erdington in Stockland Green, and on a notepad Elliott divides it into sections where people of different ethnicities live side by side but do not, she says, mix. It is a “tinder box” waiting to be lit, she claims, with tensions between the Polish, Muslim and African-Caribbean communities.
Sounds a lot like Scotland where Labour took their vote for granted...and of course Jezza was all speaker corner ranting this morning about the bankers, the rich, the rigged system, but not a single word on immigration (which is a huge issue to many in Labour traditional seats).
"sections where people of different ethnicities live side by side but do not, she says, mix. It is a “tinder box” waiting to be lit, she claims, with tensions between the Polish, Muslim and African-Caribbean communities."
Who would have thought mass immigration would lead to that?
Dromey says he's proud of it...
I wonder how much time Dromey spends in his constituency.
Did Mrs May get on the blower and say Donald could you do me a favour...got any decisions in the pipeline that might make a bit of splash....fancy making them now?
The promised vote on hunting will be another black mark against Hoey in Vauxhall.
The voters won't care. You'll see the full extent of the robot Labour vote there.
It's not even the case of the robot vote. There's no evidence that Hoey is unpopular with her constituents in general. She's hated by rich left wingers who are angry over Brexit. They exist in Vauxhall, but there aren't enough of them.
Fat Steve/moderators - are we having a London pre election PB social event?
If there is a meet up let's hope nobody gets banned over it this time!
And yes, I'm well thanks.
Good reminder Ave _ It - Thanks
I'll have a think about Venues - DDs has been pretty poor the last couple of times, so I want somewhere central, accessible, and with reasonable volume (not thumping music) - and bookable without a big admin headache. I'll have a think. - But if anyone else has an idea and wants to contact Mike, I'd equally be happy for that to happen.
Good plan Steve. I'd be up for attending if I can. Truckles were very amenable - don't the same people have another branch near St James?
Very possible. (hint - should anyone wish to take up the mantle of "Unofficial Drinks Organiser" I am happy to pass it on. Best get official clearance).
I haven't been before but i would love to pop my cherry in an election year !
What's it leaked? That there'll be an announcement tomorrow is not a leak. Have they said who, if anyone, will be charged?
Its creating a profile for the CPS. They should keep their traps shut, and no public announcements to camera EVER.
Secret justice? Is that really what we want?
Don't be silly. The bringing of charges is a matter of public record and can never be secret, and should be the subject of a factual press release.
If the bringing of charges is a matter of public record, where is it published? That there is a court hearing in a case is certainly a matter of public record: anyone can go to the court office and look at the lists.
Those are basically the options if we properly ban hunting. Foxes are a major pest to free range poultry farmers; they are allowed to, and will, kill them brutally to protect their birds. If they're not 'cultivated' for hunting they will soon die out. .
This is all nonsense. Hunting accounted for (and to the extent the law is evaded still accounts for) only a small percentage of fox deaths. It's a sport, not a serious means of fox contol.
That is simply not true. It is (or rather was) both.
During the hunting period in the UK, hunting with hounds possibly counted for as little as 5% of fox mortality.
It's not even the case of the robot vote. There's no evidence that Hoey is unpopular with her constituents in general. She's hated by rich left wingers who are angry over Brexit. They exist in Vauxhall, but there aren't enough of them.
Thanks, on for some small maxes with Laddies and Corals now.
Did Mrs May get on the blower and say Donald could you do me a favour...got any decisions in the pipeline that might make a bit of splash....fancy making them now?
Nuking North Korea would fit the bill...
I would venture the opinion that might be too extreme a distraction, and please never tweet it at President Trump, for I really don't think he understands the nuance behind an emoji smiley face.
Torygraph looks like it might have the story that sets this election alight - but Twitter pic too lo-res to read properly on my phone. Can't get up as cat fast asleep on my leg.
I presume you're talking about this?
Exclusive: 100 moderate Labour MPs to form breakaway group if Jeremy Corbyn stays on after a Tory landslide
Labour faces a historic split after the election with as many as 100 of the party's MPs set to walk out and form their own breakaway group in an attempt to force out Jeremy Corbyn, The Daily Telegraph can disclose.
Moderate Labour candidates are already in talks with potential donors about a new “Progressives” group forming in Parliament if Mr Corbyn stays on as leader after a Tory landslide.
One potential scenario is for the MPs to resign the Labour whip and become independents grouped together in the Commons under the Progressives banner.
They could then rejoin the Parliamentary Labour Party once Mr Corbyn had been replaced with a leader they supported.
Dan Jarvis, Yvette Cooper and Sir Keir Starmer could be asked to lead the group, although there is no suggestion they have been approached or been involved in the talks.
That's your lot, the rest is behind the paywall.
The big question; Are they going to be the many or the few?
*APPLAUSE* Excellent! Indeed, the Bolsheviks v the Mensheviks.
Away from Tory surgers and Brexiteers. Tonight was the Eurovision SF1.
Sweden were good and usually score well: 16/1, best ew.
Greece may be worth a dabble ew at 100/1
I liked Moldova at 80/1 but I suspect a bit too weird.
Poland wins the scantily clad buxom blonde award.
Odds with Skybet, which seem best odds apart from the 14/1 that Ladbrokes has on UK nul points. In Brexit year? good value IMO!
Wise punters would take note that my music taste is peculiar!
I'm tempted by an each way bet on Bulgaria. Not heard any of the songs but have heard good reports about it and Bulgaria were 4th in the public vote last year so they have a lot more friends than we do.
It's not even the case of the robot vote. There's no evidence that Hoey is unpopular with her constituents in general. She's hated by rich left wingers who are angry over Brexit. They exist in Vauxhall, but there aren't enough of them.
Thanks, on for some small maxes with Laddies and Corals now.
Jeremy Corbyn hoping for Bernie Sanders election endorsement
In an interview with the Guardian, Corbyn said he had “a lot of time for Bernie”. Asked if Sanders would endorse him when he visited Britain, the Labour leader said: “I can’t say. I hope he will. I think he probably will, actually. But we mustn’t predict these things.”
I'm a little surprised that they're going for it, if this is correct. The CPS had better be very sure of their stuff.
If there are any charges to be brought then I don't think it will be a catastrophe for the Tories (May herself is not, insofar as I am aware, in any way implicated.) But it will be highly embarrassing, of course. On the plus side, it gets the feeding frenzy out of the way before either the manifesto launch or the big TV set-pieces.
Thanet South is the key-and the i doubt the door will be unlocked tomorrow.
It's not even the case of the robot vote. There's no evidence that Hoey is unpopular with her constituents in general. She's hated by rich left wingers who are angry over Brexit. They exist in Vauxhall, but there aren't enough of them.
Thanks, on for some small maxes with Laddies and Corals now.
If the Lib Dems have any sense, they should focus on Southwark & Bermondsey and the SW London marginals, not this one.
Jeremy Corbyn hoping for Bernie Sanders election endorsement
In an interview with the Guardian, Corbyn said he had “a lot of time for Bernie”. Asked if Sanders would endorse him when he visited Britain, the Labour leader said: “I can’t say. I hope he will. I think he probably will, actually. But we mustn’t predict these things.”
It's not even the case of the robot vote. There's no evidence that Hoey is unpopular with her constituents in general. She's hated by rich left wingers who are angry over Brexit. They exist in Vauxhall, but there aren't enough of them.
Thanks, on for some small maxes with Laddies and Corals now.
Those are basically the options if we properly ban hunting. Foxes are a major pest to free range poultry farmers; they are allowed to, and will, kill them brutally to protect their birds. If they're not 'cultivated' for hunting they will soon die out. .
This is all nonsense. Hunting accounted for (and to the extent the law is evaded still accounts for) only a small percentage of fox deaths. It's a sport, not a serious means of fox contol.
That is simply not true. It is (or rather was) both.
During the hunting period in the UK, hunting with hounds possibly counted for as little as 5% of fox mortality.
At least the CPS news hitting tomorrow will prevent weeks of 'Just wait and see what impact the damning CPS news has' hope and speculation. There may be some movement in the days after, probably small, and after a week we'll know if it has any traction as a story and can move on or build into our expectations.
Anecdote: when I visited Witney on the day of the by-election, I was almost run over by someone in a rickshaw outside a pub in the town centre. I found out later it was being driven by Bernie Sanders' brother, who was the Green candidate at the by-election.
At least the CPS news hitting tomorrow will prevent weeks of 'Just wait and see what impact the damning CPS news has' hope and speculation. There may be some movement in the days after, probably small, and after a week we'll know if it has any traction as a story and can move on or build into our expectations.
I have wondered why the Tories have been so quiet on Jezza and John the Marxist's back story. I wonder if they have deliberately not fired up the Shit Pumping machine until this decision has been announced?
It's not even the case of the robot vote. There's no evidence that Hoey is unpopular with her constituents in general. She's hated by rich left wingers who are angry over Brexit. They exist in Vauxhall, but there aren't enough of them.
Thanks, on for some small maxes with Laddies and Corals now.
If the Lib Dems have any sense, they should focus on Southwark & Bermondsey and the SW London marginals, not this one.
I can see Hoey doing better with the average Vauxhall voter than her own party members here
Those are basically the options if we properly ban hunting. Foxes are a major pest to free range poultry farmers; they are allowed to, and will, kill them brutally to protect their birds. If they're not 'cultivated' for hunting they will soon die out. .
This is all nonsense. Hunting accounted for (and to the extent the law is evaded still accounts for) only a small percentage of fox deaths. It's a sport, not a serious means of fox contol.
That is simply not true. It is (or rather was) both.
During the hunting period in the UK, hunting with hounds possibly counted for as little as 5% of fox mortality.
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Those are basically the options if we properly ban hunting. Foxes are a major pest to free range poultry farmers; they are allowed to, and will, kill them brutally to protect their birds. If they're not 'cultivated' for hunting they will soon die out. .
This is all nonsense. Hunting accounted for (and to the extent the law is evaded still accounts for) only a small percentage of fox deaths. It's a sport, not a serious means of fox contol.
That is simply not true. It is (or rather was) both.
During the hunting period in the UK, hunting with hounds possibly counted for as little as 5% of fox mortality.
I'm confused. What has Adrian got to do with anything? (He's a mate of mine.) If it's the Lib Dem candidate in Vauxhall you are after, it's George Turner.
Assuming the CPS decision on Wednesday results in a candidate/candidates standing down - the deadline for them to withdraw their nomination and for someone else to be nominated is 4pm on Thursday (May 11). So may be some interesting chopping and changing in that period in between.
I'm confused. What has Adrian got to do with anything? (He's a mate of mine.) If it's the Lib Dem candidate in Vauxhall you are after, it's George Turner.
I had earlier commented on the distinctive name of the 2015 candidate Adrian Hyyrylainen-Trett. NikNak was saying Hyyrylainen is his husbands name?
Those are basically the options if we properly ban hunting. Foxes are a major pest to free range poultry farmers; they are allowed to, and will, kill them brutally to protect their birds. If they're not 'cultivated' for hunting they will soon die out. .
This is all nonsense. Hunting accounted for (and to the extent the law is evaded still accounts for) only a small percentage of fox deaths. It's a sport, not a serious means of fox contol.
That is simply not true. It is (or rather was) both.
During the hunting period in the UK, hunting with hounds possibly counted for as little as 5% of fox mortality.
Those are basically the options if we properly ban hunting. Foxes are a major pest to free range poultry farmers; they are allowed to, and will, kill them brutally to protect their birds. If they're not 'cultivated' for hunting they will soon die out. .
This is all nonsense. Hunting accounted for (and to the extent the law is evaded still accounts for) only a small percentage of fox deaths. It's a sport, not a serious means of fox contol.
That is simply not true. It is (or rather was) both.
During the hunting period in the UK, hunting with hounds possibly counted for as little as 5% of fox mortality.
It proves how useless it is as a control method. It is argued against on the grounds that it is an unnecessarily cruel 'sport' for those unlucky 5% of foxes, not because it is actually culling our fox population.
I'm confused. What has Adrian got to do with anything? (He's a mate of mine.) If it's the Lib Dem candidate in Vauxhall you are after, it's George Turner.
I had earlier commented on the distinctive name of the 2015 candidate Adrian Hyyrylainen-Trett. NikNak was saying Hyyrylainen is his husbands name?
OK - being busy with election work, didn't have time to read whole thread.
'It can't be long until we get stories trailing a potential 'government of all the talents' to work together to get the best Brexit deal. Liam Fox out, Peter Mandelson in.'
A joke right?
Mandelson has already said he would just hand the €60 billion over to the EU without any negotiation.
Those are basically the options if we properly ban hunting. Foxes are a major pest to free range poultry farmers; they are allowed to, and will, kill them brutally to protect their birds. If they're not 'cultivated' for hunting they will soon die out. .
This is all nonsense. Hunting accounted for (and to the extent the law is evaded still accounts for) only a small percentage of fox deaths. It's a sport, not a serious means of fox contol.
That is simply not true. It is (or rather was) both.
During the hunting period in the UK, hunting with hounds possibly counted for as little as 5% of fox mortality.
It proves how useless it is as a control method. It is argued against on the grounds that it is an unnecessarily cruel 'sport' for those unlucky 5% of foxes, not because it is actually culling our fox population.
It deliberately sustains the fox population. They're 'culled' for fun. Otherwise they have to be protected, or led to extinction. It's a tough call.
Anecdote: when I visited Witney on the day of the by-election, I was almost run over by someone in a rickshaw outside a pub in the town centre. I found out later it was being driven by Bernie Sanders' brother, who was the Green candidate at the by-election.
I thought that sounded a bit strange so Googled it and yes there it is, my apologies for doubting you.
It's not even the case of the robot vote. There's no evidence that Hoey is unpopular with her constituents in general. She's hated by rich left wingers who are angry over Brexit. They exist in Vauxhall, but there aren't enough of them.
Thanks, on for some small maxes with Laddies and Corals now.
If the Lib Dems have any sense, they should focus on Southwark & Bermondsey and the SW London marginals, not this one.
I can see Hoey doing better with the average Vauxhall voter than her own party members here
Unfortunately for the fragrant Dolly, Kate Hoey is one of very few Labour MPs that will get tactical votes from Leaver Tories against the Lib Dems. I'm sure she'll have fun standing though.
The CPS will announce its charging decisions over the Tory election fraud tomorrow at 11:00. MPs will be told of the outcome at 10:30. Most MPs Guido has spoken to fully expect no further action to be taken. Craig Mackinlay on the other hand has a nervous night ahead…
Fat Steve/moderators - are we having a London pre election PB social event?
If there is a meet up let's hope nobody gets banned over it this time!
And yes, I'm well thanks.
Good reminder Ave _ It - Thanks
I'll have a think about Venues - DDs has been pretty poor the last couple of times, so I want somewhere central, accessible, and with reasonable volume (not thumping music) - and bookable without a big admin headache. I'll have a think. - But if anyone else has an idea and wants to contact Mike, I'd equally be happy for that to happen.
Good plan Steve. I'd be up for attending if I can. Truckles were very amenable - don't the same people have another branch near St James?
Very possible. (hint - should anyone wish to take up the mantle of "Unofficial Drinks Organiser" I am happy to pass it on. Best get official clearance).
I haven't been before but i would love to pop my cherry in an election year !
I turned up for the 2015 election meet with a girlfriend but never actually managed to put profile names to faces - the japanese party downstairs looked interesting though. It was a good night - especially the result!
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The campaign's getting personal already in the leaflets. The Lib Dems flyer quotes odds from PP to make out it's a two horse race. Can't see it though. The ethnic vote will be solid for Hoey and I doubt the Tories will do much worse than last time. I hope the Lib Dems come third.
https://order-order.com/2017/05/09/cps-tory-charging-decisions-11am-tomorrow/
Sweden were good and usually score well: 16/1, best ew.
Greece may be worth a dabble ew at 100/1
I liked Moldova at 80/1 but I suspect a bit too weird.
Poland wins the scantily clad buxom blonde award.
Odds with Skybet, which seem best odds apart from the 14/1 that Ladbrokes has on UK nul points. In Brexit year? good value IMO!
Wise punters would take note that my music taste is peculiar!
http://www.thefoxwebsite.net/foxhunting/huntban
Excellent!
Indeed, the Bolsheviks v the Mensheviks.
In an interview with the Guardian, Corbyn said he had “a lot of time for Bernie”. Asked if Sanders would endorse him when he visited Britain, the Labour leader said: “I can’t say. I hope he will. I think he probably will, actually. But we mustn’t predict these things.”
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/09/jeremy-corbyn-hoping-for-bernie-sanders-election-endorsement
We mustn't predict these things...that I have just predicted....
I wonder if somebody will inform Bernie of Labour slight issue with antisemitism? And Red Ken's views on Hitler?
https://twitter.com/mshelicat/status/862066634307104768
As his father was still a serving cabinet minister there were some rather surprised looks...
Trump knows what is coming and unless this frightens a lot of people into backing off, then its all too late.
More to the point it's a massive waste of parliamentary time.
'It can't be long until we get stories trailing a potential 'government of all the talents' to work together to get the best Brexit deal. Liam Fox out, Peter Mandelson in.'
A joke right?
Mandelson has already said he would just hand the €60 billion over to the EU without any negotiation.
NEW THREAD
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Sanders_(politician)
Unless you are suggesting his husband should be airbrushed out for some reason?
Unless you are suggesting his husband should be airbrushed out for some reason?