Regrettably I missed Theresa and Phillip on the One Show The Telegraph review is headed "Theresa and Philip May on The One Show: sweet, but screamingly dull" I imagine they'll be pleased with that.
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I see that on the TNS crossbreaks Labour is ahead in Wales. Very small numbers though.
So tell me why I should take a small unweighted sub-sample over a properly weighted poll?
I am not saying that you should! Every little titbit might be of some interest. Yougov's polls for last year's Welsh Assembly elections did underestimate Labour somewhat.It was a bit of a surprise that they came so close to retaining an overall majority.
Regrettably I missed Theresa and Phillip on the One Show The Telegraph review is headed "Theresa and Philip May on The One Show: sweet, but screamingly dull" I imagine they'll be pleased with that.
I presume Jezza will be given the opportunity to do the same, and I am going to guess Mrs Corbyn won't be appearing. We will be treated to half an hour of jam making tips and what to look for when inspecting man-hole covers?
When I ask about her dealings with the current MP, Labour’s Jack Dromey, there is a pause followed by a long sigh. “I don’t feel like I have much of a choice. Most people around here won’t vote. I would like to vote Labour but things aren’t changing so I feel like I can’t.”
Through Elliott’s eyes, Erdington is increasingly segregated with stark ethnic divides. We walk on to Slade Road, which lies to the south of Erdington in Stockland Green, and on a notepad Elliott divides it into sections where people of different ethnicities live side by side but do not, she says, mix. It is a “tinder box” waiting to be lit, she claims, with tensions between the Polish, Muslim and African-Caribbean communities.
Sounds a lot like Scotland where Labour took their vote for granted...and of course Jezza was all speaker corner ranting this morning about the bankers, the rich, the rigged system, but not a single word on immigration (which is a huge issue to many in Labour traditional seats).
"sections where people of different ethnicities live side by side but do not, she says, mix. It is a “tinder box” waiting to be lit, she claims, with tensions between the Polish, Muslim and African-Caribbean communities."
Who would have thought mass immigration would lead to that?
Regrettably I missed Theresa and Phillip on the One Show The Telegraph review is headed "Theresa and Philip May on The One Show: sweet, but screamingly dull" I imagine they'll be pleased with that.
I presume Jezza will be given the opportunity to do the same, and I am going to guess Mrs Corbyn won't be appearing. We will be treated to half an hour of jam making tips and what to look for when inspecting man-hole covers?
He should talk about reading books to small children - that photo of him doing so is the most charming image I have seen of him.
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When I ask about her dealings with the current MP, Labour’s Jack Dromey, there is a pause followed by a long sigh. “I don’t feel like I have much of a choice. Most people around here won’t vote. I would like to vote Labour but things aren’t changing so I feel like I can’t.”
Through Elliott’s eyes, Erdington is increasingly segregated with stark ethnic divides. We walk on to Slade Road, which lies to the south of Erdington in Stockland Green, and on a notepad Elliott divides it into sections where people of different ethnicities live side by side but do not, she says, mix. It is a “tinder box” waiting to be lit, she claims, with tensions between the Polish, Muslim and African-Caribbean communities.
Sounds a lot like Scotland where Labour took their vote for granted...and of course Jezza was all speaker corner ranting this morning about the bankers, the rich, the rigged system, but not a single word on immigration (which is a huge issue to many in Labour traditional seats).
"sections where people of different ethnicities live side by side but do not, she says, mix. It is a “tinder box” waiting to be lit, she claims, with tensions between the Polish, Muslim and African-Caribbean communities."
Who would have thought mass immigration would lead to that?
Dromey says he's proud of it...
I wonder how much time Dromey spends in his constituency.
Dolly has a strong background in outreach and advocacy for a number of community and equality campaigns
Sounds very Labour to me.
A brief look at the Twitter suggests otherwise.....hello, Dolly.
I was only kidding - a lot of the candidates in my area seem to confer to stereotype, at least with Lab/Con. Union official, teacher, disability campaigner vs army, MOD or businessman.
I remember posting that the key to this election was going to be the 4m who voted UKIP in 2015 as soon as it was announced. At the time I estimated that this might boost Tory support by 2m. It looks as if it just might be a little more than that.
It does indeed look as if the forces of bigotry and ignorance formerly represented by UKIP - and the BNP - have now switched to the Tories.
I think UKIP had a far bigger tent than that. Many ex-Labour voters for instance
I accept that. Racist bigotry has never been difficult to find amongst the lower working classes
Matilda told such Dreadful Lies, It made one Gasp and Stretch one’s Eyes.
I think the best thing for you would be an acute and lethal attack of elephantiasis.
At the time of writing, a £1 bet on a Conservative majority will win you £1.05 at Ladbrokes, and £1.04 on Betfair. This implies a probability of less than five percent. Given the favourite-longshot bias, the de-biased probability is lower still.
A probability of less than 5% that it fails, I assume...
Bath rated the most likely Con loss, what an embarrassment it would be to lose on the night of a landslide - apparently no Lab had that experience in 1997.
Bit dispiriting to think Edinburgh south might be lost on a 3 way marginal to SNP.
Neither the Tories nor the LibDems are putting much effort in... They have other fish to fry
I don't doubt it, but voters can be tricky, and with expectations super high, perhaps SCON voters don't vote tactically as much as needed, thinking there's a chance for them to come up through the middle.
"A Lifelong QPR fan, AirFix modeller and Imperial War Museum fan, she also runs a Charity Shopping Club, encouraging people to shop in charity shops and help reduce lifestyle waste."
At the time of writing, a £1 bet on a Conservative majority will win you £1.05 at Ladbrokes, and £1.04 on Betfair. This implies a probability of less than five percent. Given the favourite-longshot bias, the de-biased probability is lower still.
A probability of less than 5% that it fails, I assume...
I don't doubt it, but voters can be tricky, and with expectations super high, perhaps SCON voters don't vote tactically as much as needed, thinking there's a chance for them to come up through the middle.
Maybe, but, the results from the Council "Pentlands" ward are revealing.
Both Tory candidates elected (no major surprise), but the Labour candidate elected ahead of the second SNP candidate as a result of explicit tactical votes
If Ed had listened to Glasman, things could have been v different
I agree. Maurice Glasman was very interesting. I was interested that Ed M brought him in to the picture. He should have listened to him - things would, as you say, have been v different.
That's the pity of Ed Millband - He had enough credibility, at the beginning, to make the Labour party listen to criticism and see the need to evolve, if he had wanted to. He must have had some instincts in that direction to involve Glasman at all. But somehow, in the end, he didn't have have the insight or imagination to leave his own comfort zone.
I remember posting that the key to this election was going to be the 4m who voted UKIP in 2015 as soon as it was announced. At the time I estimated that this might boost Tory support by 2m. It looks as if it just might be a little more than that.
It does indeed look as if the forces of bigotry and ignorance formerly represented by UKIP - and the BNP - have now switched to the Tories.
I think UKIP had a far bigger tent than that. Many ex-Labour voters for instance
I accept that. Racist bigotry has never been difficult to find amongst the lower working classes
Matilda told such Dreadful Lies, It made one Gasp and Stretch one’s Eyes.
I think the best thing for you would be an acute and lethal attack of elephantiasis.
Oh dear , dear! But one should expect litlle more from such a lower form of life.
I remember posting that the key to this election was going to be the 4m who voted UKIP in 2015 as soon as it was announced. At the time I estimated that this might boost Tory support by 2m. It looks as if it just might be a little more than that.
It does indeed look as if the forces of bigotry and ignorance formerly represented by UKIP - and the BNP - have now switched to the Tories.
I think UKIP had a far bigger tent than that. Many ex-Labour voters for instance
I accept that. Racist bigotry has never been difficult to find amongst the lower working classes
Matilda told such Dreadful Lies, It made one Gasp and Stretch one’s Eyes.
I think the best thing for you would be an acute and lethal attack of elephantiasis.
He needs to study the parable of the Just Pharisee.
I don't doubt it, but voters can be tricky, and with expectations super high, perhaps SCON voters don't vote tactically as much as needed, thinking there's a chance for them to come up through the middle.
Maybe, but, the results from the Council "Pentlands" ward are revealing.
Both Tory candidates elected (no major surprise), but the Labour candidate elected ahead of the second SNP candidate as a result of explicit tactical votes
Encouraging. For the sake of the union a good showing for SCON, SLD and SLAB would be nice, though unlike them I'm tempering expectations.
I remember posting that the key to this election was going to be the 4m who voted UKIP in 2015 as soon as it was announced. At the time I estimated that this might boost Tory support by 2m. It looks as if it just might be a little more than that.
It does indeed look as if the forces of bigotry and ignorance formerly represented by UKIP - and the BNP - have now switched to the Tories.
I think UKIP had a far bigger tent than that. Many ex-Labour voters for instance
I accept that. Racist bigotry has never been difficult to find amongst the lower working classes
Matilda told such Dreadful Lies, It made one Gasp and Stretch one’s Eyes.
I think the best thing for you would be an acute and lethal attack of elephantiasis.
Oh dear , dear! But one should expect litlle more from such a lower form of life.
I hadn't take Ishmael for a Labour supporter. But if you say so.
If Ed had listened to Glasman, things could have been v different
I agree. Maurice Glasman was very interesting. I was interested that Ed M brought him in to the picture. He should have listened to him - things would, as you say, have been v different.
That's the pity of Ed Millband - He had enough credibility, at the beginning, to make the Labour party listen to criticism and see the need to evolve, if he had wanted to. He must have had some instincts in that direction to involve Glasman at all. But somehow, in the end, he didn't have have the insight or imagination to leave his own comfort zone.
I was a Labour voter and when I read about Blue Labour, Glasman etc I thought at last they were talking to old labour voters again... when he ditched him i moved to the kippers, now they've gone full Corbyn militant. A shame I think
I think we should introduce a fining system for every time you write a sentence with "May" and "pound shop" in it.
It can't be long until we get stories trailing a potential 'government of all the talents' to work together to get the best Brexit deal. Liam Fox out, Peter Mandelson in.
I just cannot see LDs winning Bristol West yetthe forecast thinks it the most likely LD gain?
10/3 om Betfair
Individual seat forecasts need a large pinch of salt...
In fairness it does basically say that on the forecast, I'm just stunned to see it (and as others have pointed out, some places at 99% chances of gains).
Labour faces a historic split after the election with as many as 100 of the party's MPs set to walk out and form their own breakaway group in an attempt to force out Jeremy Corbyn, The Daily Telegraph can disclose.
Moderate Labour candidates are already in talks with potential donors about a new “Progressives” group forming in Parliament if Mr Corbyn stays on as leader after a Tory landslide.
One potential scenario is for the MPs to resign the Labour whip and become independents grouped together in the Commons under the Progressives banner.
Fat Steve/moderators - are we having a London pre election PB social event?
If there is a meet up let's hope nobody gets banned over it this time!
And yes, I'm well thanks.
Good reminder Ave _ It - Thanks
I'll have a think about Venues - DDs has been pretty poor the last couple of times, so I want somewhere central, accessible, and with reasonable volume (not thumping music) - and bookable without a big admin headache. I'll have a think. - But if anyone else has an idea and wants to contact Mike, I'd equally be happy for that to happen.
I've been wondering about the possibility of a radically centrist manifesto ever since the launch date was pushed back until after the candidate registration deadline.
UKIP seem to have pulled their candidates in a lot of seats.
A clever game of poker, if so.
Some shire tories could well be in for one helluva shock - with no ukip on their ballot paper.
I don't think it's going to happen in reality, though. It's highly likely the manifesto will be a fairly predictable mishmash - with only a few low-cost commitments.
Labour faces a historic split after the election with as many as 100 of the party's MPs set to walk out and form their own breakaway group in an attempt to force out Jeremy Corbyn, The Daily Telegraph can disclose.
Moderate Labour candidates are already in talks with potential donors about a new “Progressives” group forming in Parliament if Mr Corbyn stays on as leader after a Tory landslide.
One potential scenario is for the MPs to resign the Labour whip and become independents grouped together in the Commons under the Progressives banner.
Not confident of beating Corbyn in a contest if he does stay on then.
A student who introduced Jeremy Corbyn at a campaign launch posted a series of racist and ant-Semitic tweets in which she talked about blacking up and used the n-word.
Bethany Barker has apologised for the 'disgusting' tweets and quit as general secretary of Nottingham Labour Students Committee after the messages were uncovered.
No problem with antisemitism in the Labour Party....they had an investigation and everything.
She sounds like a right old charmer.
Her quoted statements seems a bit more logical than as quoted by Guido earlier - I don't see reference to her not remembering writing the tweets, which was not credible (even if you don't recall specifics, you'd remember being a vulgar racist or making racist jokes, I know I remember making plenty of racist jokes), so just the typical ' I have grown up and matured, x does not represent my views now' stuff, which is all fine, and hopefully true.
True, and it reinforces my view that 16 year olds should not have the vote. (I even wonder about 18 year olds sometimes). It makes me wonder why the SNP and the left are so keen on it - as if I didn't know!
I think we should introduce a fining system for every time you write a sentence with "May" and "pound shop" in it.
It can't be long until we get stories trailing a potential 'government of all the talents' to work together to get the best Brexit deal. Liam Fox out, Peter Mandelson in.
If Peter Mandelson joins the government I will vote Labour at the next election even if Diane Abbott is the leader.
I think we should introduce a fining system for every time you write a sentence with "May" and "pound shop" in it.
It can't be long until we get stories trailing a potential 'government of all the talents' to work together to get the best Brexit deal. Liam Fox out, Peter Mandelson in.
A student who introduced Jeremy Corbyn at a campaign launch posted a series of racist and ant-Semitic tweets in which she talked about blacking up and used the n-word.
Bethany Barker has apologised for the 'disgusting' tweets and quit as general secretary of Nottingham Labour Students Committee after the messages were uncovered.
No problem with antisemitism in the Labour Party....they had an investigation and everything.
She sounds like a right old charmer.
Her quoted statements seems a bit more logical than as quoted by Guido earlier - I don't see reference to her not remembering writing the tweets, which was not credible (even if you don't recall specifics, you'd remember being a vulgar racist or making racist jokes, I know I remember making plenty of racist jokes), so just the typical ' I have grown up and matured, x does not represent my views now' stuff, which is all fine, and hopefully true.
True, and it reinforces my view that 16 year olds should not have the vote. (I even wonder about 18 year olds sometimes). It makes me wonder why the SNP and the left are so keen on it - as if I didn't know!
I've never really understood the drive for it, and didn't at 16 either, our views on what they can and cannot do is pretty arbitrary. They can join the army (albeit not be sent to combat, IIRC), but not drive, they can have sex, but not drink. Allowing voting before we allow them to drive, for example, just seems silly.
That said, having allowed it in the IndyRef, I don't see how it is justified not doing it elsewhere, unless someone is prepared to not quibble and state they at was a mistake.
Fat Steve/moderators - are we having a London pre election PB social event?
If there is a meet up let's hope nobody gets banned over it this time!
And yes, I'm well thanks.
Good reminder Ave _ It - Thanks
I'll have a think about Venues - DDs has been pretty poor the last couple of times, so I want somewhere central, accessible, and with reasonable volume (not thumping music) - and bookable without a big admin headache. I'll have a think. - But if anyone else has an idea and wants to contact Mike, I'd equally be happy for that to happen.
Good plan Steve. I'd be up for attending if I can. Truckles were very amenable - don't the same people have another branch near St James?
I've been wondering about the possibility of a radically centrist manifesto ever since the launch date was pushed back until after the candidate registration deadline.
UKIP seem to have pulled their candidates in a lot of seats.
A clever game of poker, if so.
Some shire tories could well be in for one helluva shock - and no ukip on their ballot.
I don't think it's going to happen in reality, though. It's highly likely the manifesto will be a fairly predictable mishmash - with only a few low-cost commitments, along with social stuff to keep the client vote happy.
But there is the potential...
The impression I get from the May team is of very fast footwork in response to public reaction to their campaign. May says "Me me me", everyone says "Look at May saying "Me me me"", 48 hours later we see posters saying "Theresa and Team" or whatever they said. I would also expect them to refocus their campaign as they go along to appeal to whichever bits of the electorate look to be in play.
As for shire tories, it is possibly non-coincidental that they have been thrown a delicious great gobbet of legalised foxhunting to distract their attention from other things.
Those are basically the options if we properly ban hunting. Foxes are a major pest to free range poultry farmers; they are allowed to, and will, kill them brutally to protect their birds. If they're not 'cultivated' for hunting they will soon die out.
Unless..
We make them a protected species. If they're protected the only way to control their numbers, which we'll soon have to, is to introduce a larger predator.
So we'll have a multitude of wild foxes, and can only control them with even more dangerous wild animals. Sounds like a plan.
So what do anti hunters want; no foxes, unlimited foxes and more dangerous animals to control them (and then what?), or some toffs to pay good money to follow some dogs doing what is natural for them?
Why is poison, trap, or shooting a more acceptable death? Because noone's watching? So why is it ok that we watch Attenborough describing similar stuff in the wild?
Fat Steve/moderators - are we having a London pre election PB social event?
If there is a meet up let's hope nobody gets banned over it this time!
And yes, I'm well thanks.
Good reminder Ave _ It - Thanks
I'll have a think about Venues - DDs has been pretty poor the last couple of times, so I want somewhere central, accessible, and with reasonable volume (not thumping music) - and bookable without a big admin headache. I'll have a think. - But if anyone else has an idea and wants to contact Mike, I'd equally be happy for that to happen.
Good plan Steve. I'd be up for attending if I can. Truckles were very amenable - don't the same people have another branch near St James?
Very possible. (hint - should anyone wish to take up the mantle of "Unofficial Drinks Organiser" I am happy to pass it on. Best get official clearance).
I don't get that sort of culture - I'm privy to some sensitive information from time to time, not as much as them of course, but I take a lot of professional pride in not disclosing things even if I could.
It is very poor, CPS should charge or not charge. A running commentary severely reduces their chance of a conviction. I think they'll bottle it, they've probably prejudiced their own case tbh.
I don't get that sort of culture - I'm privy to some sensitive information from time to time, not as much as them of course, but I take a lot of professional pride in not disclosing things even if I could.
They have an awfully chummy relationship with C4 news.
Fat Steve/moderators - are we having a London pre election PB social event?
If there is a meet up let's hope nobody gets banned over it this time!
And yes, I'm well thanks.
Good reminder Ave _ It - Thanks
I'll have a think about Venues - DDs has been pretty poor the last couple of times, so I want somewhere central, accessible, and with reasonable volume (not thumping music) - and bookable without a big admin headache. I'll have a think. - But if anyone else has an idea and wants to contact Mike, I'd equally be happy for that to happen.
I don't get that sort of culture - I'm privy to some sensitive information from time to time, not as much as them of course, but I take a lot of professional pride in not disclosing things even if I could.
They have an awfully chummy relationship with C4 news.
Didn't we have some scandal about the media being too close to the plod?
I've been wondering about the possibility of a radically centrist manifesto ever since the launch date was pushed back until after the candidate registration deadline.
UKIP seem to have pulled their candidates in a lot of seats.
A clever game of poker, if so.
Some shire tories could well be in for one helluva shock - with no ukip on their ballot paper.
I don't think it's going to happen in reality, though. It's highly likely the manifesto will be a fairly predictable mishmash - with only a few low-cost commitments.
But there is the potential...
I seem to recall that The Spectator dubbed May "the most left-wing Tory PM in 40 years," or words to that effect. She's certainly old enough to have been involved in Conservative activism before Margaret Thatcher became leader.
If the manifesto transpired to advocate a 21st Century relaunch of one-nation Toryism, then this would not be especially surprising.
Comments
The Telegraph review is headed
"Theresa and Philip May on The One Show: sweet, but screamingly dull"
I imagine they'll be pleased with that.
https://twitter.com/Aaron4DonValley/status/862030192088412160
Sounds very Labour to me.
At the time of writing, a £1 bet on a Conservative majority will win you £1.05 at Ladbrokes, and £1.04 on Betfair. This implies a probability of less than five percent. Given the favourite-longshot bias, the de-biased probability is lower still.
Yougov's polls for last year's Welsh Assembly elections did underestimate Labour somewhat.It was a bit of a surprise that they came so close to retaining an overall majority.
http://electionforecast.co.uk/tables/UKIP_seat_gains.html
https://twitter.com/standardnews/status/862035466824163328
https://twitter.com/FT/status/862042224112095239
'That speech must have affected every thinking Conservative MP and many others as well.'
I suspect a qualification of the ban, rather than outright repeal. And even that would depend on a very large Tory majority.
Edi West ?
It made one Gasp and Stretch one’s Eyes.
I think the best thing for you would be an acute and lethal attack of elephantiasis.
Con: 401
Lab: 163
LD: 15
SNP: 48
If I set an arbitrary upper limit based on odds shorter than 2/1 and a lower limit based on odds shorter than 1/2, I get this range:
Con: 367-432
Lab: 138-191
LD: 7-30
SNP: 41-53
Those numbers won't be 100% correct because of the way I've scraped the data, but it shouldn't be too far off.
Ding, Dong!
Hope you are well!!
That's her real strength.
"A Lifelong QPR fan, AirFix modeller and Imperial War Museum fan, she also runs a Charity Shopping Club, encouraging people to shop in charity shops and help reduce lifestyle waste."
Both Tory candidates elected (no major surprise), but the Labour candidate elected ahead of the second SNP candidate as a result of explicit tactical votes
That's the pity of Ed Millband - He had enough credibility, at the beginning, to make the Labour party listen to criticism and see the need to evolve, if he had wanted to. He must have had some instincts in that direction to involve Glasman at all. But somehow, in the end, he didn't have have the insight or imagination to leave his own comfort zone.
And yes, I'm well thanks.
10/3 om Betfair
Labour faces a historic split after the election with as many as 100 of the party's MPs set to walk out and form their own breakaway group in an attempt to force out Jeremy Corbyn, The Daily Telegraph can disclose.
Moderate Labour candidates are already in talks with potential donors about a new “Progressives” group forming in Parliament if Mr Corbyn stays on as leader after a Tory landslide.
One potential scenario is for the MPs to resign the Labour whip and become independents grouped together in the Commons under the Progressives banner.
I'll have a think about Venues - DDs has been pretty poor the last couple of times, so I want somewhere central, accessible, and with reasonable volume (not thumping music) - and bookable without a big admin headache. I'll have a think. - But if anyone else has an idea and wants to contact Mike, I'd equally be happy for that to happen.
UKIP seem to have pulled their candidates in a lot of seats.
A clever game of poker, if so.
Some shire tories could well be in for one helluva shock - with no ukip on their ballot paper.
I don't think it's going to happen in reality, though. It's highly likely the manifesto will be a fairly predictable mishmash - with only a few low-cost commitments.
But there is the potential...
And that is saying something.
That said, having allowed it in the IndyRef, I don't see how it is justified not doing it elsewhere, unless someone is prepared to not quibble and state they at was a mistake.
https://twitter.com/dollytheis/status/855388277104365568
As for shire tories, it is possibly non-coincidental that they have been thrown a delicious great gobbet of legalised foxhunting to distract their attention from other things.
https://twitter.com/dollytheis/status/837787339766263808
And who wants to make them extinct in the UK?
Those are basically the options if we properly ban hunting. Foxes are a major pest to free range poultry farmers; they are allowed to, and will, kill them brutally to protect their birds. If they're not 'cultivated' for hunting they will soon die out.
Unless..
We make them a protected species. If they're protected the only way to control their numbers, which we'll soon have to, is to introduce a larger predator.
So we'll have a multitude of wild foxes, and can only control them with even more dangerous wild animals. Sounds like a plan.
So what do anti hunters want; no foxes, unlimited foxes and more dangerous animals to control them (and then what?), or some toffs to pay good money to follow some dogs doing what is natural for them?
Why is poison, trap, or shooting a more acceptable death? Because noone's watching? So why is it ok that we watch Attenborough describing similar stuff in the wild?
I expect only fascists support foxhunting..
It'll be a good reminder of how unimportant specific candidates are in general.
D'oh they're not opposing Hoey
On a serious point will they find the 5k for you ?
(hint - should anyone wish to take up the mantle of "Unofficial Drinks Organiser" I am happy to pass it on. Best get official clearance).
Prepare for a prosecution for Thanet.
I think they'll bottle it, they've probably prejudiced their own case tbh.
If the manifesto transpired to advocate a 21st Century relaunch of one-nation Toryism, then this would not be especially surprising.