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Labour would be reduced to about 130 MPs if they lost every seat on the list down to Don Valley, although it's likely they'll hold "easier" places in London and university seats like Exeter, York Central, Hammersmith.
Yep. That's the kind of number I am thinking of. As I say, wipeout coming. This is a referendum on Corbyn.
What an odd pick for that constituency, from what people here say about the area. Conspiracy theory - A way to help the unionist MP without officially endorsing tactical voting?
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Super news Mr Tissue_Price. Congratulations and good luck couldn't happen to a nicer chap.
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For reference, Don Valley last elected a Conservative in 1900 (as part of the then Doncaster constituency). It has been Labour since 1922.
Indeed. I have bet quite heavily on a Labour wipeout on a scale not seen since, say the 1920s. Recent polling has made me a little nervous (how the hell are they are on 28-29%???), but holding my nerve so far.
Based on the seat where I'm doing some work, the LibDem and Green vote, and even perhaps the apathetic "always Labour but I'll stay home this time" vote, might be starting to get squeezed by Labour. They're generally people who don't want Corbyn as PM, but also don't want a Tory landslide with the ability to do whatever they want.
That said, the Tory vote seems pretty rock-solid by most indications (including 2015 Lab voters who've switched to the Tories - they're not just appalled by Corbyn, they're usually genuinely enthusiastic about Theresa May and about "showing the EU that she has the whole country behind her"), so there's a limit to how much good the aforementioned "squeezing" could actually do for Labour.
With all due respect to Nick, I think this may be PB's best chance to get a regular MP below-the-line again at GE 2017. If you are able to help - time, advice or donations - please do get in touch either via Vanilla or the Facebook page below.
With all due respect to Nick, I think this may be PB's best chance to get a regular MP below-the-line again at GE 2017. If you are able to help - time, advice or donations - please do get in touch either via Vanilla or the Facebook page below.
For reference, Don Valley last elected a Conservative in 1900 (as part of the then Doncaster constituency). It has been Labour since 1922.
Indeed. I have bet quite heavily on a Labour wipeout on a scale not seen since, say the 1920s. Recent polling has made me a little nervous (how the hell are they are on 28-29%???), but holding my nerve so far.
Based on the seat where I'm doing some work, the LibDem and Green vote, and even perhaps the apathetic "always Labour but I'll stay home this time" vote, might be starting to get squeezed by Labour. They're generally people who don't want Corbyn as PM, but also don't want a Tory landslide with the ability to do whatever they want.
That said, the Tory vote seems pretty rock-solid by most indications (including 2015 Lab voters who've switched to the Tories), so there's a limit to how much good the aforementioned "squeezing" could actually do for Labour.
That's useful and honest if you to post - thanks DannyZ
I just don't see Labour getting up to the 30/31 they've seen in recent polls. To be blunt I am expecting outliers the other way that put them on 21/22....
Nothing I can add on Diane Abbott that hasn't been said.
So going back to the May-Juncker dinner, it feels that it suits both sides narrative. Leavers see an inflexible leaking Europe out to do Britain down, Remainers see the lies of the Brexit campaign about how easy negotiations would be laid bare, and a clueless and naive approach from the Government.
Both sides should worry about the political space needed to reach a deal, as with Northern Ireland recently there is only so much the rhetoric can be allowed to spread before it becomes politically impossible to bridge.
Personally I'm resigned to Brexit as long as there is a vaguely sensible deal; without I believe that would require a 2nd referendum and Theresa May's resignation - no matter how much fury from Leavers.
With all due respect to Nick, I think this may be PB's best chance to get a regular MP below-the-line again at GE 2017. If you are able to help - time, advice or donations - please do get in touch either via Vanilla or the Facebook page below.
With all due respect to Nick, I think this may be PB's best chance to get a regular MP below-the-line again at GE 2017. If you are able to help - time, advice or donations - please do get in touch either via Vanilla or the Facebook page below.
For reference, Don Valley last elected a Conservative in 1900 (as part of the then Doncaster constituency). It has been Labour since 1922.
Indeed. I have bet quite heavily on a Labour wipeout on a scale not seen since, say the 1920s. Recent polling has made me a little nervous (how the hell are they are on 28-29%???), but holding my nerve so far.
Based on the seat where I'm doing some work, the LibDem and Green vote, and even perhaps the apathetic "always Labour but I'll stay home this time" vote, might be starting to get squeezed by Labour. They're generally people who don't want Corbyn as PM, but also don't want a Tory landslide with the ability to do whatever they want.
That said, the Tory vote seems pretty rock-solid by most indications (including 2015 Lab voters who've switched to the Tories - they're not just appalled by Corbyn, they're usually genuinely enthusiastic about Theresa May and about "showing the EU that she has the whole country behind her"), so there's a limit to how much good the aforementioned "squeezing" could actually do for Labour.
Thanks. Useful. However, Operation 'Show Jezza is an IRA sympathiser who would allow the Russians to park their tanks in Trafalgar Square' hasn't started yet.
Good luck to @Tissue_Price though I fear some pbers will be disappointed if Caroline Flint is ousted from Parliament - she seems to have quite a few admirers on here.
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I just watched that clip and felt properly sorry for her. That was cruel.
But necessary. She wants to be Home Secretary. She's clearly not up to the job, and the public has to see this. Labour under Corbyn have to be utterly crushed, for the sake of Labour, British politics and the entire UK.
Her LBC interview was the single worst, and funniest, political interview I have ever seen or heard.
Team Twat don't just want to (IMO) drag the country in the wrong direction, they are total and utter morons and serial incompetents. The Tories under IDS or Hague were never this bad. Has there ever been a more useless and totally unsuitable opposition in recent history?
Ed Miliband wasn't very good and I think some of his policies would have been damaging, but I didn't think he would totally crash the country. Team Twat on the other hand, I dread to think.
Its not just Jezza or McMao or Abbott...you go down the list and they are pretty much all to a man / woman total f##king disasters.
With all due respect to Nick, I think this may be PB's best chance to get a regular MP below-the-line again at GE 2017. If you are able to help - time, advice or donations - please do get in touch either via Vanilla or the Facebook page below.
For reference, Don Valley last elected a Conservative in 1900 (as part of the then Doncaster constituency). It has been Labour since 1922.
Indeed. I have bet quite heavily on a Labour wipeout on a scale not seen since, say the 1920s. Recent polling has made me a little nervous (how the hell are they are on 28-29%???), but holding my nerve so far.
There's evidence the Labour vote is holding up best where they need it least, in safe Labour and, oddly enough, safe Conservative seats.
With all due respect to Nick, I think this may be PB's best chance to get a regular MP below-the-line again at GE 2017. If you are able to help - time, advice or donations - please do get in touch either via Vanilla or the Facebook page below.
With all due respect to Nick, I think this may be PB's best chance to get a regular MP below-the-line again at GE 2017. If you are able to help - time, advice or donations - please do get in touch either via Vanilla or the Facebook page below.
For reference, Don Valley last elected a Conservative in 1900 (as part of the then Doncaster constituency). It has been Labour since 1922.
Indeed. I have bet quite heavily on a Labour wipeout on a scale not seen since, say the 1920s. Recent polling has made me a little nervous (how the hell are they are on 28-29%???), but holding my nerve so far.
There's evidence the Labour vote is holding up best where they need it least, in safe Labour and, oddly enough, safe Conservative seats.
How safe though? Very safe (i.e. +10K) or just safe (+8K say)?
I just watched that clip and felt properly sorry for her. That was cruel.
But necessary. She wants to be Home Secretary. She's clearly not up to the job, and the public has to see this. Labour under Corbyn have to be utterly crushed, for the sake of Labour, British politics and the entire UK.
Her LBC interview was the single worst, and funniest, political interview I have ever seen or heard.
"Her LBC interview was the single worst, and funniest, political interview I have ever seen or heard"
Agreed, and she's had more car crashes than George Michael.
I don't get how she can be so shit? She's been an MP 34 years, and was a regular on BBC's This Week for almost a decade. She should be the best media performer Labour have, yet she praises Mao, calls Finnish Nurses/Brexiteers/Tories racist, cant remember her numbers, says West Indian mums love their kids more than other mums etc etc
I just watched that clip and felt properly sorry for her. That was cruel.
But necessary. She wants to be Home Secretary. She's clearly not up to the job, and the public has to see this. Labour under Corbyn have to be utterly crushed, for the sake of Labour, British politics and the entire UK.
Her LBC interview was the single worst, and funniest, political interview I have ever seen or heard.
Team Twat don't just want to (IMO) drag the country in the wrong direction, they are total and utter morons and serial incompetents. The Tories under IDS or Hague were never this bad. Has there ever been a more useless and totally unsuitable opposition in recent history?
Ed Miliband wasn't very good and I think some of his policies would have been damaging, but I didn't think he would totally crash the country. Team Twat on the other hand, I dread to think.
Macavity May hid during the referendum, she's finding it hard to hide as PM during a GE campaign.
She popped up in Ormskirk yesterday I think. My brother saw her in the flesh, and like any other person, was massively underwhelmed and he's a diehard Tory.
I think she'd probably make a very good manager of a tea shop in York...but she has seriously overreached. There is a small part of me that feels sorry for her.
The likes of Theresa May and Angela Leadsome.....the epitome of parochial, little minded, Tory women. They'd be best left to arrange fetes and that is it.
that post comes over as dangerously close to "Best leave the proper jobs to men".
Pretty sure fetes require strong, stable management. Can't imagine Jezza and Diane doing too well. They'd overspend on the cream teas and have to loot the tombola.
Khaled Mashal would be judging the giant leek contest.
I just watched that clip and felt properly sorry for her. That was cruel.
But necessary. She wants to be Home Secretary. She's clearly not up to the job, and the public has to see this. Labour under Corbyn have to be utterly crushed, for the sake of Labour, British politics and the entire UK.
Her LBC interview was the single worst, and funniest, political interview I have ever seen or heard.
"Her LBC interview was the single worst, and funniest, political interview I have ever seen or heard"
Agreed, and she's had more car crashes than George Michael.
I don't get how she can be so shit? She's been an MP 34 years, and was a regular on BBC's This Week for almost a decade. She should be the best media performer Labour have, yet she praises Mao, calls Finnish Nurses/Brexiteers/Tories racist, cant remember her numbers, says West Indian mums love their kids more than other mums etc etc
Don't forget this purist of pure Socialists sent her kids to private school.
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Best of luck. As someone who has been through the process a few times, just remember Ronald Reagan's motto: "If you want the part, you've got to look the part". Interpret it as you think best, but the members doing the selecting will want to visualise you as their lead campaigner, their national political guide and as their MP. And don't forget to smile!
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If it isn't you what's his username and which party?
I'm sure we're all loyal to a fellow PBer but I'd draw the line at a brexiteer of whatever party and any UKIPer for being obviously bonkers.
I would have thought Caroline Flint's profile would be good enough to see her through, given that in 2015 she won by 46% to 25%. There was however a significant UKIP vote at 23%, such that I imagine UKIP will be standing again?
Impressive! May has been 'meeting voters on doorsteps' for at least thirty years - I'm trying to remember if she canvassed at Oxford - which would make it over forty years....
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I just watched that clip and felt properly sorry for her. That was cruel.
But necessary. She wants to be Home Secretary. She's clearly not up to the job, and the public has to see this. Labour under Corbyn have to be utterly crushed, for the sake of Labour, British politics and the entire UK.
Her LBC interview was the single worst, and funniest, political interview I have ever seen or heard.
"Her LBC interview was the single worst, and funniest, political interview I have ever seen or heard"
Agreed, and she's had more car crashes than George Michael.
I don't get how she can be so shit? She's been an MP 34 years, and was a regular on BBC's This Week for almost a decade. She should be the best media performer Labour have, yet she praises Mao, calls Finnish Nurses/Brexiteers/Tories racist, cant remember her numbers, says West Indian mums love their kids more than other mums etc etc
Don't forget this purist of pure Socialists sent her kids to private school.
Private School Hypocrisy, West Indian Mums and Expenses
With all due respect to Nick, I think this may be PB's best chance to get a regular MP below-the-line again at GE 2017. If you are able to help - time, advice or donations - please do get in touch either via Vanilla or the Facebook page below.
If it isn't you what's his username and which party?
I'm sure we're all loyal to a fellow PBer but I'd draw the line at a brexiteer of whatever party and any UKIPer for being obviously bonkers.
I would have thought Caroline Flint's profile would be good enough to see her through, given that in 2015 she won by 46% to 25%. There was however a significant UKIP vote at 23%, such that I imagine UKIP will be standing again?
If Aaron works the seat hard enough he should be able to fold enough into his column to make the seat very close indeed.
@George_Osborne: Also in @EveningStandard: new immigration poll; Abbott's car crash interview;Bloomberg on air pollution & exclusive column by Anthony Joshua
I've read the Joshua column, it starts well, goes a bit wobbly in the middle but ends in a powerful flurry.
With all due respect to Nick, I think this may be PB's best chance to get a regular MP below-the-line again at GE 2017. If you are able to help - time, advice or donations - please do get in touch either via Vanilla or the Facebook page below.
With all due respect to Nick, I think this may be PB's best chance to get a regular MP below-the-line again at GE 2017. If you are able to help - time, advice or donations - please do get in touch either via Vanilla or the Facebook page below.
For reference, Don Valley last elected a Conservative in 1900 (as part of the then Doncaster constituency). It has been Labour since 1922.
Indeed. I have bet quite heavily on a Labour wipeout on a scale not seen since, say the 1920s. Recent polling has made me a little nervous (how the hell are they are on 28-29%???), but holding my nerve so far.
There's evidence the Labour vote is holding up best where they need it least, in safe Labour and, oddly enough, safe Conservative seats.
How safe though? Very safe (i.e. +10K) or just safe (+8K say)?
With all due respect to Nick, I think this may be PB's best chance to get a regular MP below-the-line again at GE 2017. If you are able to help - time, advice or donations - please do get in touch either via Vanilla or the Facebook page below.
"Britain’s complacency over Brexit will end in humiliation"
What complete and utter cobblers. Simon Tilford (who?) states that the elite is in favour of Brexit because of this and that. Surely some mistake. The elite - from the PM and all the major parties to big business, big academia and big nobs all round - were overwhelmingly in favour of remain. He says the elite has a mistaken view of history. Yup.
I'm no shill for May, but on the "meeting ordinary voters" - do you not think there is perhaps just the slightest security concern here ?
I'm sure she will meet some but for obvious reasons she's not going to be able to do spontaneous canvassing in every Labour marginal.
I remember John Major and his soapbox in the 1992 general election - at a time when the IRA was active in the UK, never mind random nutters. The security risks can be overblown. Daesh sympathisers are unlikely to be able to rustle up a suicide belt within the 10 minutes or so that she might be in a town centre.
Harold Wilson was hit by a stinkbomb thrown at him by a schoolboy during the 1966 election but it didn't force him to hide away from the public. In those days the party leaders would address mass audiences in our major cities up and down the country with the broadcasters covering their speeches - including any heckling - in their news bulletins. That was genuine electioneering - rather than the pure farce we see today and which has been with us for 25 years.
With all due respect to Nick, I think this may be PB's best chance to get a regular MP below-the-line again at GE 2017. If you are able to help - time, advice or donations - please do get in touch either via Vanilla or the Facebook page below.
If it isn't you what's his username and which party?
I'm sure we're all loyal to a fellow PBer but I'd draw the line at a brexiteer of whatever party and any UKIPer for being obviously bonkers.
I'm a Tory Remainer and I'd want Aaron as my MP.
If he gets the nomination, I'll be campaigning for him.
You got on fine with him when you met him in Broxtowe
Of course! A nice guy. I was confused by his use of the third person. Must have got it from Theresa!
Just glanced at his Twitter, and was interested to see he was at a campaign launch in Uttoxeter. It appears the best place they could find in Uttcheter (*) to take a photograph was the car park opposite the local Lidl.
(*) Locals used to call the town 'Uttcheter', or 'the dump'.
With all due respect to Nick, I think this may be PB's best chance to get a regular MP below-the-line again at GE 2017. If you are able to help - time, advice or donations - please do get in touch either via Vanilla or the Facebook page below.
If it isn't you what's his username and which party?
I'm sure we're all loyal to a fellow PBer but I'd draw the line at a brexiteer of whatever party and any UKIPer for being obviously bonkers.
I'm a Tory Remainer and I'd want Aaron as my MP.
If he gets the nomination, I'll be campaigning for him.
You got on fine with him when you met him in Broxtowe
Of course! A nice guy. I was confused by his use of the third person. Must have got it from Theresa!
Just glanced at his Twitter, and was interested to see he was at a campaign launch in Uttoxeter. It appears the best place they could find in Uttcheter (*) to take a photograph was the car park opposite the local Lidl.
(*) Locals used to call the town 'Uttcheter', or 'the dump'.
With all due respect to Nick, I think this may be PB's best chance to get a regular MP below-the-line again at GE 2017. If you are able to help - time, advice or donations - please do get in touch either via Vanilla or the Facebook page below.
If it isn't you what's his username and which party?
I'm sure we're all loyal to a fellow PBer but I'd draw the line at a brexiteer of whatever party and any UKIPer for being obviously bonkers.
I'm a Tory Remainer and I'd want Aaron as my MP.
If he gets the nomination, I'll be campaigning for him.
You got on fine with him when you met him in Broxtowe
Of course! A nice guy. I was confused by his use of the third person. Must have got it from Theresa!
Just glanced at his Twitter, and was interested to see he was at a campaign launch in Uttoxeter. It appears the best place they could find in Uttcheter (*) to take a photograph was the car park opposite the local Lidl.
(*) Locals used to call the town 'Uttcheter', or 'the dump'.
Uttoxeter? Is this another one in Yorkshire...
I presume he was at a campaign launch of a friend in Uttcheter.
I spent my teenage years in a small village just on the other side of the river from Uttcheter, and went to middle school there. It seems to be a very quiet market town, but had a terrible drug problem amongst teenagers. It also had (has?) some of the nicest public toilets you'll see, and all thanks to Stephen Fry ...
Scott seems to be labouring under the illusion that the UK government is going to go round the houses of Ealing, ripping away EU passports from weeping Dutchwomen, forcing them to stay in the UK forever.
Oh dear.
If you and Richard are really suggesting that Brexit will mean "no change" in freedom of movement for EU Nationals, then WHAT THE FUCK were you voting for?
We were voting to leave the EU. For many of us migration simply isn't the issue it is for the bigots like you who seem to see everything in terms of foreigners.
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That said, the Tory vote seems pretty rock-solid by most indications (including 2015 Lab voters who've switched to the Tories - they're not just appalled by Corbyn, they're usually genuinely enthusiastic about Theresa May and about "showing the EU that she has the whole country behind her"), so there's a limit to how much good the aforementioned "squeezing" could actually do for Labour.
I just don't see Labour getting up to the 30/31 they've seen in recent polls. To be blunt I am expecting outliers the other way that put them on 21/22....
So going back to the May-Juncker dinner, it feels that it suits both sides narrative. Leavers see an inflexible leaking Europe out to do Britain down, Remainers see the lies of the Brexit campaign about how easy negotiations would be laid bare, and a clueless and naive approach from the Government.
Both sides should worry about the political space needed to reach a deal, as with Northern Ireland recently there is only so much the rhetoric can be allowed to spread before it becomes politically impossible to bridge.
Personally I'm resigned to Brexit as long as there is a vaguely sensible deal; without I believe that would require a 2nd referendum and Theresa May's resignation - no matter how much fury from Leavers.
I'm sure we're all loyal to a fellow PBer but I'd draw the line at a brexiteer of whatever party and any UKIPer for being obviously bonkers.
If he gets the nomination, I'll be campaigning for him.
You got on fine with him when you met him in Broxtowe
"Britain’s complacency over Brexit will end in humiliation"
Ed Miliband wasn't very good and I think some of his policies would have been damaging, but I didn't think he would totally crash the country. Team Twat on the other hand, I dread to think.
Its not just Jezza or McMao or Abbott...you go down the list and they are pretty much all to a man / woman total f##king disasters.
Some Fen Poly historians even went so far as to bet on him as next Labour leader...
http://news.sky.com/story/viscount-denies-threatening-brexit-campaigner-gina-miller-with-menacing-online-post-10860426
Agreed, and she's had more car crashes than George Michael.
I don't get how she can be so shit? She's been an MP 34 years, and was a regular on BBC's This Week for almost a decade. She should be the best media performer Labour have, yet she praises Mao, calls Finnish Nurses/Brexiteers/Tories racist, cant remember her numbers, says West Indian mums love their kids more than other mums etc etc
He'll be a critical friend.
Friendly enough so no one can accuse him of disloyalty.
Critical enough so when something inevitably goes wrong, he can write, more in sorrow than in anger.....
If you are going to crash and burn, might as well douse yourself in petrol....
Some people just use the internet as a screen behind which they can freely emote.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3WGdJ1PkXE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uB4o5n2EGyA
Bethnal Green & Bow.
All you have to do is get UKIP not to stand and instead get them to vote for you - sorted!
Simon Tilford (who?) states that the elite is in favour of Brexit because of this and that. Surely some mistake. The elite - from the PM and all the major parties to big business, big academia and big nobs all round - were overwhelmingly in favour of remain.
He says the elite has a mistaken view of history. Yup.
Any other PBers standing in the election - we know @NickPalmer is out, and @TheScreamingEagles doesnt want the pay cut. @MrsB stood last time IIRC.
NEW THREAD
(*) Locals used to call the town 'Uttcheter', or 'the dump'.
edit: and best of luck TP
I spent my teenage years in a small village just on the other side of the river from Uttcheter, and went to middle school there. It seems to be a very quiet market town, but had a terrible drug problem amongst teenagers. It also had (has?) some of the nicest public toilets you'll see, and all thanks to Stephen Fry ...
Edit: thanks to this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bb2B-Ug5Y9M