We are rapidly headed to something like the Cuban Missile crisis. Obviously not as apocalyptic - North Korea can't wipe anyone out - but eeeek, nonetheless.
I think, regretably, we are there already. I remember the Cuban missile crisis like yesterday and we were all very worried and even scared
This is nothing like the Cuban crisis - lets all try to keep a sense of perspective here.
How boring if we all kept a sense of bloody perspective. Boo.
Besides, I think this probably is the closest we've been to seeing a nuke dropped, since Cuba. That's no small thing.
Wasn't there a scare in 1983, when the Soviets thought the Americans were launching an attack, but later found out it was a false alarm
Yes, there were several during the Cold War, of which Cuba was the most famous but which made the generals and politicians on both sides rather nervous. There was a rumour that a US President authorised a nuke strike while drunk, and after a lot of phone calls it was called off when someone important enough to do so threatened the use of the 25th Amendment.
I'm intrigued. Who was the president?
The 25th amendment was only passed in 1967, so it could only be Johnson and afterwards (presumably through to Reagan as GHW Bush was facing a Soviet Union already effectively withdrawing from the game). Also, the only person who could meaningfully "threaten the use of the 25th Amendment" is the VP - and even then, he'd need the backing of half the cabinet.
But the comment about being drunk probably rules out Reagan, who rarely drank. Indeed, it probably rules out all except Nixon - but would even a drunk Nixon have done that? So either the rumour is false or someone was acting out of character.
We are rapidly headed to something like the Cuban Missile crisis. Obviously not as apocalyptic - North Korea can't wipe anyone out - but eeeek, nonetheless.
I think, regretably, we are there already. I remember the Cuban missile crisis like yesterday and we were all very worried and even scared
This is nothing like the Cuban crisis - lets all try to keep a sense of perspective here.
How boring if we all kept a sense of bloody perspective. Boo.
Besides, I think this probably is the closest we've been to seeing a nuke dropped, since Cuba. That's no small thing.
The Chinese seem to have mobilised a fair number of troops to the border:
Airspace over North Korea is empty on flight tracker too.
Public internet flight trackers rely on people with aircraft radios connected to the internet in a massive crowdsourcing operation. I'd say there's not many of them in NK.
I reckon that if NK tests another nuke, someone is going to take out all their radar and artillery near the border that's pointed at Seoul.
That would be an awful lot of artillery. Personally, I'd expect to see missile-related sites, including the R&D locations, and perhaps some sites personally important to Kim, taken out, rather than focusing on small-ticket items, like artillery.
Now, if the DPRK start firing those artillery at Seoul, then expect all sorts of specialized munitions to be deployed to take them out.
Well you know way more about this than I do, but a couple of F16s taking out the radars followed by a few more MOABs along the border would neutralise the immediate threat to Seoul, without making Kim think he's really at war.
[snip]
Kim already thinks he's at war (and technically, he is).
See there has been a joint statement tonight by Boris and his French counterpart condemning Russia over Syria
The US, France and UK are fairly aligned on additional sanctions for Russia. Canada will go along with whatever the US stance is and so will Japan. It is Germany and Italy who are the sticking point. Germany more than Italy as it was the Germans who pressured Italy into siding with them so they didn't look like they were blocking a unanimous decision for additional sanctions. Germany is the problem nation of Europe, they just cover it up with a general air of superiority that makes people think that they can't be all bad.
Yes, there were several during the Cold War, of which Cuba was the most famous but which made the generals and politicians on both sides rather nervous. There was a rumour that a US President authorised a nuke strike while drunk, and after a lot of phone calls it was called off when someone important enough to do so threatened the use of the 25th Amendment.
Pb brain trust...Does anybody have any suggestions for a graphic tablet which you plug into your pc, which I will only use for annotating documents, writing maths and creating organisation charts ie I won't be using it to create any art so don't need the pro level ones.
I thought wacom tablet was just the name for a graphic tablet, so they truly must be the only name in town.
Yep, same as Hoover, Biro, Google...
Thanks for the info. I think I will just get the £55 Wacom one. Yes it is double the price of the knock-off brand, but for me it I can afford that difference as it is something I will use every day.
We are rapidly headed to something like the Cuban Missile crisis. Obviously not as apocalyptic - North Korea can't wipe anyone out - but eeeek, nonetheless.
I think, regretably, we are there already. I remember the Cuban missile crisis like yesterday and we were all very worried and even scared
This is nothing like the Cuban crisis - lets all try to keep a sense of perspective here.
How boring if we all kept a sense of bloody perspective. Boo.
Besides, I think this probably is the closest we've been to seeing a nuke dropped, since Cuba. That's no small thing.
Wasn't there a scare in 1983, when the Soviets thought the Americans were launching an attack, but later found out it was a false alarm
Yes, there were several during the Cold War, of which Cuba was the most famous but which made the generals and politicians on both sides rather nervous. There was a rumour that a US President authorised a nuke strike while drunk, and after a lot of phone calls it was called off when someone important enough to do so threatened the use of the 25th Amendment.
I'm intrigued. Who was the president?
The 25th amendment was only passed in 1967, so it could only be Johnson and afterwards (presumably through to Reagan as GHW Bush was facing a Soviet Union already effectively withdrawing from the game). Also, the only person who could meaningfully "threaten the use of the 25th Amendment" is the VP - and even then, he'd need the backing of half the cabinet.
But the comment about being drunk probably rules out Reagan, who rarely drank. Indeed, it probably rules out all except Nixon - but would even a drunk Nixon have done that? So either the rumour is false or someone was acting out of character.
I don't know, but would have thought Nixon too. My source wasn't directly US gov but would have known those who were. Plausible story but no more than that.
Pb brain trust...Does anybody have any suggestions for a graphic tablet which you plug into your pc, which I will only use for annotating documents, writing maths and creating organisation charts ie I won't be using it to create any art so don't need the pro level ones.
I thought wacom tablet was just the name for a graphic tablet, so they truly must be the only name in town.
Yep, same as Hoover, Biro, Google...
Thanks for the info. I think I will just get the £55 Wacom one. Yes it is double the price of the knock-off brand, but for me it I can afford that difference as it is something I will use every day.
Cool. Good luck. PM me if you want any more advice or need help setting it up.
Well you know way more about this than I do, but a couple of F16s taking out the radars followed by a few more MOABs along the border would neutralise the immediate threat to Seoul, without making Kim think he's really at war.
Obviously if he tries anything really stupid, like showing he's got an ICBM or anything nuclear that's capable of being delivered, then he's toast, Seoul is too close to avert a strike so it's going to be pre-emptive and hard against him. The US don't need to use nuclear weapons to devastate a whole city.
My suspicion is that a lot of the DPRK artillery would work just fine hitting Seoul without radar. MOAB's are primarily designed, as I understand it, to take out underground facilities (essentially by creating mini-earthquakes, like Barnes' 10,000 kg Grand Slam bombs in WWII). But I am not a munitions expert.
The problem is the DPRK have thousands of artillery gun, and more than half are already dug in pointed at Seoul. It is estimated that they could lob 500,000 artillery rounds at Seoul in the first hour of hostilities.
We are rapidly headed to something like the Cuban Missile crisis. Obviously not as apocalyptic - North Korea can't wipe anyone out - but eeeek, nonetheless.
eeeek? Last week you were yearning for a war. You should be on the next flight out to Seoul.
MOAB's are primarily designed, as I understand it, to take out underground facilities (essentially by creating mini-earthquakes, like Barnes' 10,000 kg Grand Slam bombs in WWII). But I am not a munitions expert.
You're thinking of MOPs (Massive Ordnance Penetrators, aka bunker-busters). MOAB does what it says on the tin: Massive Ordnance Air Burst, ie it's set off in the air.
Presumably they used it against caves in Afghanistan not as a penetrator, but for the shock wave in a confined space.
We are rapidly headed to something like the Cuban Missile crisis. Obviously not as apocalyptic - North Korea can't wipe anyone out - but eeeek, nonetheless.
I think, regretably, we are there already. I remember the Cuban missile crisis like yesterday and we were all very worried and even scared
This is nothing like the Cuban crisis - lets all try to keep a sense of perspective here.
How boring if we all kept a sense of bloody perspective. Boo.
Besides, I think this probably is the closest we've been to seeing a nuke dropped, since Cuba. That's no small thing.
The Chinese seem to have mobilised a fair number of troops to the border:
Airspace over North Korea is empty on flight tracker too.
Public internet flight trackers rely on people with aircraft radios connected to the internet in a massive crowdsourcing operation. I'd say there's not many of them in NK.
I reckon that if NK tests another nuke, someone is going to take out all their radar and artillery near the border that's pointed at Seoul.
That would be an awful lot of artillery. Personally, I'd expect to see missile-related sites, including the R&D locations, and perhaps some sites personally important to Kim, taken out, rather than focusing on small-ticket items, like artillery.
Now, if the DPRK start firing those artillery at Seoul, then expect all sorts of specialized munitions to be deployed to take them out.
Well you know way more about this than I do, but a couple of F16s taking out the radars followed by a few more MOABs along the border would neutralise the immediate threat to Seoul, without making Kim think he's really at war.
[snip]
Kim already thinks he's at war (and technically, he is).
We are rapidly headed to something like the Cuban Missile crisis. Obviously not as apocalyptic - North Korea can't wipe anyone out - but eeeek, nonetheless.
I think, regretably, we are there already. I remember the Cuban missile crisis like yesterday and we were all very worried and even scared
This is nothing like the Cuban crisis - lets all try to keep a sense of perspective here.
How boring if we all kept a sense of bloody perspective. Boo.
Besides, I think this probably is the closest we've been to seeing a nuke dropped, since Cuba. That's no small thing.
The Chinese seem to have mobilised a fair number of troops to the border:
Airspace over North Korea is empty on flight tracker too.
Public internet flight trackers rely on people with aircraft radios connected to the internet in a massive crowdsourcing operation. I'd say there's not many of them in NK.
I reckon that if NK tests another nuke, someone is going to take out all their radar and artillery near the border that's pointed at Seoul.
I read it in Costa today (we don't get it free at work anymore, godsdammit). Kelvin was his usual self: kick somebody, kick somebody, plug his website, list a firm with a funny name, kick somebody. This happens every now and then: the commentariat get used to a life fucking people up for fun, then one day they accidentally pick on somebody who can fight back and everybody abandons them.
In this specific case, he waxed lyrical on the usual "Scouser in a suit" riff for a para or two. Ho, ho. Unfortunately, that's Kelvin McKenzie. Taking the piss out of Liverpool. After Hillsborough, that's the equivalent of standing in a tin bath wrapped in foil on a summit shouting "ALL THUNDER GODS ARE BASTARDS" during a lightning storm.
Mind you though, he is a c**t, so my sympathy is somewhat limited.
Would have loved to see his face when he found out Barkley is part Nigerian! It has provoked a nasty twitter argument between Ian Wright & Stan Collymore
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There has got to be an emoji for "places palm on forehead, looks down, doesn't know whether to laugh or to cry"...
Better choreography than Saddam, but weapon systems are vintage, apart from a couple of missiles.
If they fight they will be slaughtered, I feel almost sorry for them.
Figures from wikipedia - US military budget $1676 bn NorK $6 bn
OTOH NorK Korean People's Army manpower 5,889,000 US 1,281,900 plus 801,200 reserves. NorK all conscript, US all volunteer.
The end result isn't in doubt, but how we get there would be interesting.
Why do you think there will be a conventional fight ? They have built up a nuclear arsenal [ however, small ] for survival, not for fun. A small pop at Seoul from a mobile unit, they can easily do.
You should ask yourself a simple question: why didn't Bush or Obama just walk in ? It was and is not that simple.
I don't think that. I just thought the numbers were interesting, and at least as illuminating as the very entertaining footage of NorK goosestepping.
Not just goosestepping, but doing the skipping goosestep, which takes a lot of stamina, and in some cases while carrying bazookas. The ideology of the regime ("Juche socialism" as they call it) has replaced the "proletariat" with the army as the principal historical force. They will fight. They will not collapse because of poor morale.
We are rapidly headed to something like the Cuban Missile crisis. Obviously not as apocalyptic - North Korea can't wipe anyone out - but eeeek, nonetheless.
I think, regretably, we are there already. I remember the Cuban missile crisis like yesterday and we were all very worried and even scared
This is nothing like the Cuban crisis - lets all try to keep a sense of perspective here.
How boring if we all kept a sense of bloody perspective. Boo.
Besides, I think this probably is the closest we've been to seeing a nuke dropped, since Cuba. That's no small thing.
The Chinese seem to have mobilised a fair number of troops to the border:
Airspace over North Korea is empty on flight tracker too.
Public internet flight trackers rely on people with aircraft radios connected to the internet in a massive crowdsourcing operation. I'd say there's not many of them in NK.
I reckon that if NK tests another nuke, someone is going to take out all their radar and artillery near the border that's pointed at Seoul.
Taking out all the artillery would be a huge job
Which is why MOAB was field tested...
How do you deliver a moab..........
Not sure it fits in a B2....... just saying......
Out the back of an air transporter. CH-130 (Hercules) or the like.
Yes, there were several during the Cold War, of which Cuba was the most famous but which made the generals and politicians on both sides rather nervous. There was a rumour that a US President authorised a nuke strike while drunk, and after a lot of phone calls it was called off when someone important enough to do so threatened the use of the 25th Amendment.
Kissinger says that during his last few days in office Nixon told him that he had reversed US policy on Israel and had made sure it could not be reversed back again. That was in Kissinger's memoir of the time.
An "emergency military deployment in the event of an impeached Nixon refusing to step down" would have been a military coup. An impeached president doesn't have to step down.
We are rapidly headed to something like the Cuban Missile crisis. Obviously not as apocalyptic - North Korea can't wipe anyone out - but eeeek, nonetheless.
I think, regretably, we are there already. I remember the Cuban missile crisis like yesterday and we were all very worried and even scared
This is nothing like the Cuban crisis - lets all try to keep a sense of perspective here.
How boring if we all kept a sense of bloody perspective. Boo.
Besides, I think this probably is the closest we've been to seeing a nuke dropped, since Cuba. That's no small thing.
The Chinese seem to have mobilised a fair number of troops to the border:
Airspace over North Korea is empty on flight tracker too.
Public internet flight trackers rely on people with aircraft radios connected to the internet in a massive crowdsourcing operation. I'd say there's not many of them in NK.
I reckon that if NK tests another nuke, someone is going to take out all their radar and artillery near the border that's pointed at Seoul.
Taking out all the artillery would be a huge job
Which is why MOAB was field tested...
How do you deliver a moab..........
Not sure it fits in a B2....... just saying......
It was launched via a platform and a parachute out of the back of a C-130.
We are rapidly headed to something like the Cuban Missile crisis. Obviously not as apocalyptic - North Korea can't wipe anyone out - but eeeek, nonetheless.
I think, regretably, we are there already. I remember the Cuban missile crisis like yesterday and we were all very worried and even scared
This is nothing like the Cuban crisis - lets all try to keep a sense of perspective here.
How boring if we all kept a sense of bloody perspective. Boo.
Besides, I think this probably is the closest we've been to seeing a nuke dropped, since Cuba. That's no small thing.
The Chinese seem to have mobilised a fair number of troops to the border:
Airspace over North Korea is empty on flight tracker too.
Public internet flight trackers rely on people with aircraft radios connected to the internet in a massive crowdsourcing operation. I'd say there's not many of them in NK.
I reckon that if NK tests another nuke, someone is going to take out all their radar and artillery near the border that's pointed at Seoul.
Taking out all the artillery would be a huge job
Which is why MOAB was field tested...
How do you deliver a moab..........
Not sure it fits in a B2....... just saying......
Out the back of an air transporter. CH-130 (Hercules) or the like.
We are rapidly headed to something like the Cuban Missile crisis. Obviously not as apocalyptic - North Korea can't wipe anyone out - but eeeek, nonetheless.
I think, regretably, we are there already. I remember the Cuban missile crisis like yesterday and we were all very worried and even scared
This is nothing like the Cuban crisis - lets all try to keep a sense of perspective here.
How boring if we all kept a sense of bloody perspective. Boo.
Besides, I think this probably is the closest we've been to seeing a nuke dropped, since Cuba. That's no small thing.
The Chinese seem to have mobilised a fair number of troops to the border:
Airspace over North Korea is empty on flight tracker too.
Public internet flight trackers rely on people with aircraft radios connected to the internet in a massive crowdsourcing operation. I'd say there's not many of them in NK.
I reckon that if NK tests another nuke, someone is going to take out all their radar and artillery near the border that's pointed at Seoul.
That would be an awful lot of artillery. Personally, I'd expect to see missile-related sites, including the R&D locations, and perhaps some sites personally important to Kim, taken out, rather than focusing on small-ticket items, like artillery.
Now, if the DPRK start firing those artillery at Seoul, then expect all sorts of specialized munitions to be deployed to take them out.
Well you know way more about this than I do, but a couple of F16s taking out the radars followed by a few more MOABs along the border would neutralise the immediate threat to Seoul, without making Kim think he's really at war.
Obviously if he tries anything really stupid, like showing he's got an ICBM or anything nuclear that's capable of being delivered, then he's toast, Seoul is too close to avert a strike so it's going to be pre-emptive and hard against him. The US don't need to use nuclear weapons to devastate a whole city.
Quickest way of committing that particular war crime, though.
The Torygraph is already doing its bit and saying North Korea, bomb Iran, bomb Iran, North Korea. I wonder whether Israel will nuke Iran at the same time, leaving "experts" to explain that MOABs wouldn't work against the fiendish Iranians' really deep bunkers, blah.
Is anyone predicting a Korean war would be over within less than three years and with less than 10 million killed?
It is possible that the LDs could achieve a bigger swing than in Witney and still be further from winning (in percentage terms) than they were in 2010.
We are rapidly headed to something like the Cuban Missile crisis. Obviously not as apocalyptic - North Korea can't wipe anyone out - but eeeek, nonetheless.
I think, regretably, we are there already. I remember the Cuban missile crisis like yesterday and we were all very worried and even scared
This is nothing like the Cuban crisis - lets all try to keep a sense of perspective here.
How boring if we all kept a sense of bloody perspective. Boo.
Besides, I think this probably is the closest we've been to seeing a nuke dropped, since Cuba. That's no small thing.
The Chinese seem to have mobilised a fair number of troops to the border:
Airspace over North Korea is empty on flight tracker too.
Public internet flight trackers rely on people with aircraft radios connected to the internet in a massive crowdsourcing operation. I'd say there's not many of them in NK.
I reckon that if NK tests another nuke, someone is going to take out all their radar and artillery near the border that's pointed at Seoul.
Taking out all the artillery would be a huge job
Which is why MOAB was field tested...
How do you deliver a moab..........
Not sure it fits in a B2....... just saying......
It was launched via a platform and a parachute out of the back of a C-130.
I know, just trying to nudge the good dr to think about this a little deeper
We are rapidly headed to something like the Cuban Missile crisis. Obviously not as apocalyptic - North Korea can't wipe anyone out - but eeeek, nonetheless.
I think, regretably, we are there already. I remember the Cuban missile crisis like yesterday and we were all very worried and even scared
This is nothing like the Cuban crisis - lets all try to keep a sense of perspective here.
How boring if we all kept a sense of bloody perspective. Boo.
Besides, I think this probably is the closest we've been to seeing a nuke dropped, since Cuba. That's no small thing.
The Chinese seem to have mobilised a fair number of troops to the border:
Airspace over North Korea is empty on flight tracker too.
Public internet flight trackers rely on people with aircraft radios connected to the internet in a massive crowdsourcing operation. I'd say there's not many of them in NK.
I reckon that if NK tests another nuke, someone is going to take out all their radar and artillery near the border that's pointed at Seoul.
Taking out all the artillery would be a huge job
Which is why MOAB was field tested...
How do you deliver a moab..........
Not sure it fits in a B2....... just saying......
Out the back of an air transporter. CH-130 (Hercules) or the like.
Just like a barrel bomb.
Not quite. Barrel bombs don't have guidance systems.
Labour's recovery is predicated on two distinct decisions:
1. Ousting Corbyn
2. SLAB becomes a distinct political party in Scotland [ like the SDLP in NI or electorally speaking as distinct from politically, like the CSU ] even with Scotland still in the UK.
SLAB could decide on its own Independence policy. If it wants to survive as an entity it has only one choice. Why should a left of centre pro-independence voter choose Labour today ?
Of course, a party in "terminal decline" cannot accept that fate otherwise there would be no point in being. The hard-core Labour vote departed for the SNP because:
1. The SNP has left wing policies and delivers on them.
2. They are pro-independence.
Why should a Unionist vote Labour today ? Yes, 15% do and that is where it will stay.
SLAB has to be become pro-independence.
Precisely the opposite, if SLAB become pro independence their remaining unionist voters will defect en masse to the Scottish Tories and Scottish LDs while they will recapture virtually no pro independence voters from the SNP
Absolutely correct, if SLAB become pro independence they would lose many of the very voters they have managed to hang onto despite their current political difficulties. They have already lost the pro Indy SLab voters to both the SNP and the Greens in recent years. If you were pro Indy, why would you return to SLab who are languishing as the 4th party in Opposition behind the Scottish Tories when the SNP Government and the Greens are in a loose Coalition pushing for a 2nd Indy Ref?
We are rapidly headed to something like the Cuban Missile crisis. Obviously not as apocalyptic - North Korea can't wipe anyone out - but eeeek, nonetheless.
I think, regretably, we are there already. I remember the Cuban missile crisis like yesterday and we were all very worried and even scared
This is nothing like the Cuban crisis - lets all try to keep a sense of perspective here.
How boring if we all kept a sense of bloody perspective. Boo.
Besides, I think this probably is the closest we've been to seeing a nuke dropped, since Cuba. That's no small thing.
The Chinese seem to have mobilised a fair number of troops to the border:
Airspace over North Korea is empty on flight tracker too.
Public internet flight trackers rely on people with aircraft radios connected to the internet in a massive crowdsourcing operation. I'd say there's not many of them in NK.
I reckon that if NK tests another nuke, someone is going to take out all their radar and artillery near the border that's pointed at Seoul.
Taking out all the artillery would be a huge job
Which is why MOAB was field tested...
How do you deliver a moab..........
Not sure it fits in a B2....... just saying......
Out the back of an air transporter. CH-130 (Hercules) or the like.
Just like a barrel bomb.
Not quite. Barrel bombs don't have guidance systems.
Well - perhaps. But I think it's much easier for a PM to get away with a lack of charisma because while in office they can show unflappable competence and that gets attention. (Well, maybe that's an exaggeration in May's case but as PM she's always news. She doesn't have to go to the news channels, they come to her. She also doesn't have to say what she would do, she can just get on and do it.) As LotO, you need to find a way to attract that attention and get people to listen to you, because you can't prove yourself by results. That's one reason I think why ultimately Ed Miliband, who was a poor speaker and communicator although he had a number of potentially good ideas, proved a failure while Blair and Cameron succeeded.
Ed Milliband was just too geeky and unable to connect.I suspect that people such as Yvette Cooper and Keir Starmer would do quite well up against Theresa May.
I could see Starmer as a Kinnock/Howard figure ie an effective opposition leader but not a PM. Someone like Umunna is more likely to be a future PM after another Labour defeat, the question is whether that is a humiliating Corbyn led defeat or a respectable Starmer (or similar) led defeat
I disagree . Umunna does not strike me as particularly authentic at all - and is rumoured to have skeletons waiting to be pulled out.
Umunna has charisma and is telegenic, Starmer is neither just more competent and a shade more centrist than Corbyn
Starmer is way to the right of Corbyn - probably close to Hilary Benn. Umunna reaks of insincerity and I suspect he would not cope well with the pressures of leadership.
Starmer is Kinnockite Labour, Umunna is Blairite Labour and we all know which one of those won elections
Starmer vs Cooper would be a great leadership election.
No, it just wouldn't, both are the Labour equivalent of Michael Howard as Leader of the Tories before 2005 GE. Neither would set the heather on fire within the Labour party or with the wider electorate. But that is not to say that the Labour party does not need a Michael Howard to steady the ship, and more importantly, to restore party discipline and put the right future Leader contenders in the Shadow Cabinet. We shouldn't dismiss Liz Kendell or Stephen Kinnock, the latter would make an interesting Shadow Foreign Secretary right now.
Labour's recovery is predicated on two distinct decisions:
1. Ousting Corbyn
2. SLAB becomes a distinct political party in Scotland [ like the SDLP in NI or electorally speaking as distinct from politically, like the CSU ] even with Scotland still in the UK.
SLAB could decide on its own Independence policy. If it wants to survive as an entity it has only one choice. Why should a left of centre pro-independence voter choose Labour today ?
Of course, a party in "terminal decline" cannot accept that fate otherwise there would be no point in being. The hard-core Labour vote departed for the SNP because:
1. The SNP has left wing policies and delivers on them.
2. They are pro-independence.
Why should a Unionist vote Labour today ? Yes, 15% do and that is where it will stay.
SLAB has to be become pro-independence.
Precisely the opposite, if SLAB become pro independence their remaining unionist voters will defect en masse to the Scottish Tories and Scottish LDs while they will recapture virtually no pro independence voters from the SNP
Absolutely correct, if SLAB become pro independence they would lose many of the very voters they have managed to hang onto despite their current political difficulties. They have already lost the pro Indy SLab voters to both the SNP and the Greens in recent years. If you were pro Indy, why would you return to SLab who are languishing as the 4th party in Opposition behind the Scottish Tories when the SNP Government and the Greens are in a loose Coalition pushing for a 2nd Indy Ref?
Oops, that should have been SLab as the 3rd party not 4th.
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The 25th amendment was only passed in 1967, so it could only be Johnson and afterwards (presumably through to Reagan as GHW Bush was facing a Soviet Union already effectively withdrawing from the game). Also, the only person who could meaningfully "threaten the use of the 25th Amendment" is the VP - and even then, he'd need the backing of half the cabinet.
But the comment about being drunk probably rules out Reagan, who rarely drank. Indeed, it probably rules out all except Nixon - but would even a drunk Nixon have done that? So either the rumour is false or someone was acting out of character.
The problem is the DPRK have thousands of artillery gun, and more than half are already dug in pointed at Seoul. It is estimated that they could lob 500,000 artillery rounds at Seoul in the first hour of hostilities.
You should be on the next flight out to Seoul.
Presumably they used it against caves in Afghanistan not as a penetrator, but for the shock wave in a confined space.
Not sure it fits in a B2....... just saying......
An "emergency military deployment in the event of an impeached Nixon refusing to step down" would have been a military coup. An impeached president doesn't have to step down.
The Torygraph is already doing its bit and saying North Korea, bomb Iran, bomb Iran, North Korea. I wonder whether Israel will nuke Iran at the same time, leaving "experts" to explain that MOABs wouldn't work against the fiendish Iranians' really deep bunkers, blah.
Is anyone predicting a Korean war would be over within less than three years and with less than 10 million killed?
https://twitter.com/georgegalloway/status/850264094435299329
This is the LD who managed to poll in the 30s at their peak.
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.117179983