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  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    Ah, finally finished - with a frankly superb peroration by Marine Le Pen. How the hell did she get the last word?
  • CyanCyan Posts: 1,262

    Ah, finally finished - with a frankly superb peroration by Marine Le Pen. How the hell did she get the last word?

    The order of candidates in each of the segments was chosen at random.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    Cyan said:

    Ah, finally finished - with a frankly superb peroration by Marine Le Pen. How the hell did she get the last word?

    The order of candidates in each of the segments was chosen at random.
    She got lucky in that case.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    I'm feeling a bit faint seeing the Figaro headline: 'Le Grand Débat: L'After'

    Whatever happened to the Académie française?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,689

    Blimey, the French candidates are still yapping on!

    4 hours of it, almost as long as a Castro speech!
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    HYUFD said:

    Blimey, the French candidates are still yapping on!

    4 hours of it, almost as long as a Castro speech!
    Some of the content was like a Castro speech too.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,762

    viewcode said:



    Small gestures can count for a lot. Switch the bloody lights on

    Send PA474 over a 50 feet. A couple of lights pointing down to illuminate the gate as she flies over....
    Well, it's had practice at low flying...
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,726

    viewcode said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    isam said:

    Some atrocities are sadder than others

    twitter.com/reutersworld/status/849338810311868416

    However, a spokesman for Berlin city government said the mayor had decided it would do this only in response to attacks in "partner cities". St Petersburg, where at least 14 people were killed in an attack on the metro on Monday, is not one.

    Critics argued that authorities lit up the Gate in rainbow colors last year after a gunman killed 49 people at a night club in Orlando, Florida, and also in the Israeli colors after an attack in Jerusalem. They are not partner cities.


    What a crap excuse, not that that the gesture itself is actually worth anything.
    1945 and all that?
    They lit it up in the Union Jack after the Westminster attack!
    Um, yes! But the Russians were the ones wot raped and pillaged eastern Germany!
    And the Germans were the ones that invaded Russia with the explicit aim of occupying Western Russia, sending the crops back to the Reich, and letting the indigenes starve to death to save bullets. And the British and Americans were the ones who launched thousand bomber raids that burned and asphyxiated entire city populations to death. And the Romanians, and the Hungarians, and the Japanese, and the Koreans, and the, and the, and the,...

    Small gestures can count for a lot. Switch the bloody lights on
    I wasn't defending the Germans, just trying to think of a reason why they might not want to turn them on.
    WW2 is another world, it is history long gone. We need to study it and remember it and learn from it but the idea of using it as an excuse for liking or disliking the people who live in a country today - probably 90% of whom were not even born when it ended - seems rather daft to me. We can have pride in our forebears who fought and sacrificed and I am sure the Germans have shame if their forefathers were Concentration Camp Guards or Gestapo. But the idea that for a minute I should view a German 50 year old through the prism of an event that happened more than 20 years before he was born just seems ludicrous.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited April 2017
    How not to take a corner... free kick given for handball!

    https://twitter.com/bfccalbooth/status/849349177633058816
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,689

    HYUFD said:

    Blimey, the French candidates are still yapping on!

    4 hours of it, almost as long as a Castro speech!
    Some of the content was like a Castro speech too.
    If you combined Melenchon's content with Le Pen's delivery certainly
  • CyanCyan Posts: 1,262
    The Elabe poll has given first place in the debate to Mélenchon with 25%. Haven't got the other figures yet.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Cyan said:

    The Elabe poll has given first place in the debate to Mélenchon with 25%. Haven't got the other figures yet.

    Should we expect him ahead of Fillon in the next proper voting intention polls?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,403

    I'm feeling a bit faint seeing the Figaro headline: 'Le Grand Débat: L'After'

    Whatever happened to the Académie française?

    English is le best language in the world!
  • CyanCyan Posts: 1,262
    Elabe poll on who was most persuasive in the debate:

    Mélenchon 25%
    Macron 21%
    Fillon 15%
    Le Pen 11%
    Hamon 9%
    Dupont-Aignan 6%
    Poutou 5%
    Arthaud 3%
    Asselineau 3%
    Lassalle 1%
    Cheminade 0%
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,241
    edited April 2017
    Asked about her greatest triumph, Thatcher did not recall becoming the first female British prime minister, or winning three general elections, or tossing the Argentinian invaders out of the Falkland Islands, or helping Ronald Reagan to win the Cold War, or bringing the big trade unions to heel. Asked to recall her finest moment, Maggie remembered helping to get one Jewish girl out of prewar Nazi Germany.....

    For the Left, Maggie Thatcher is evil made flesh, blood and handbag. Yet it was under her that the Tory Party became a defender of Jewish causes as Maggie surrounded herself with Jewish talent. This did not sit well with the old patrician Tory party who were dismayed to see so many Jews in Thatcher's government. The thing about Margaret's cabinet," sniffed Harold Macmillan, prime minister from 1957 to 1963, "is that it includes more Old Estonians than it does Old Etonians." Thatcher purged the Tory party of its anti-Semitism.

    And as Labour is now the spiritual home to every kind of Hitler apologist and Jew-hating racist, that raises the question - who is the nasty party now?


    http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/tony-parsons-labour-party-nasty

  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 52,106
    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:



    Small gestures can count for a lot. Switch the bloody lights on

    Send PA474 over a 50 feet. A couple of lights pointing down to illuminate the gate as she flies over....
    Well, it's had practice at low flying...
    Hence the lights.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,689
    Danny565 said:

    Cyan said:

    The Elabe poll has given first place in the debate to Mélenchon with 25%. Haven't got the other figures yet.

    Should we expect him ahead of Fillon in the next proper voting intention polls?
    I doubt it, he did well in the last post debate polls and Fillon still beat him for third, Fillon or Le Pen voters are unlikely to switch to Melenchon and nor are many Macron voters and he does not have much further to squeeze Hamon
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,185
    Local election news:

    It looks like UKIP have already conceded 2 of their 147 county council seats. They're not contesting two seats in Hampshire — Totton North and South Waterside — which they won last time.
  • CyanCyan Posts: 1,262
    edited April 2017

    Asked about her greatest triumph, Thatcher did not recall becoming the first female British prime minister, or winning three general elections, or tossing the Argentinian invaders out of the Falkland Islands, or helping Ronald Reagan to win the Cold War, or bringing the big trade unions to heel. Asked to recall her finest moment, Maggie remembered helping to get one Jewish girl out of prewar Nazi Germany.....

    For the Left, Maggie Thatcher is evil made flesh, blood and handbag. Yet it was under her that the Tory Party became a defender of Jewish causes as Maggie surrounded herself with Jewish talent. This did not sit well with the old patrician Tory party who were dismayed to see so many Jews in Thatcher's government.

    Thatcher was MP for Finchley, a constituency which included Golders Green. Finchley had the largest Jewish population of any constituency in Britain.

  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,241
    As the new financial year begins this week, many new powers are coming into effect – so this feels like a timely opportunity to outline how we are putting some of these powers to very good use.


    https://www.snp.org/putting_new_devolved_powers_to_good_use

    (Shome mishtake shurely? - ed.)
  • BudGBudG Posts: 711
    edited April 2017
    HYUFD said:

    Danny565 said:

    Cyan said:

    The Elabe poll has given first place in the debate to Mélenchon with 25%. Haven't got the other figures yet.

    Should we expect him ahead of Fillon in the next proper voting intention polls?
    I doubt it, he did well in the last post debate polls and Fillon still beat him for third, Fillon or Le Pen voters are unlikely to switch to Melenchon and nor are many Macron voters and he does not have much further to squeeze Hamon
    Yes, but he did narrow the gap to Fillon considerably on the back of doing well in the last debate, down to just one or two per cent in some polls. And agreed that he does not have much further to squeeze from Hamon, but he can certainly gain from those who have been undecided up until now. We won't see it in tomorrows rolling polls because Opinionway polling will have been done before the debate and is very biased towards Fillon anyway and only a third of the ifop poll will have been done tomorrow. However, by the end of the week I would not be surprised to see them neck and neck.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,241
    Cyan said:

    Asked about her greatest triumph, Thatcher did not recall becoming the first female British prime minister, or winning three general elections, or tossing the Argentinian invaders out of the Falkland Islands, or helping Ronald Reagan to win the Cold War, or bringing the big trade unions to heel. Asked to recall her finest moment, Maggie remembered helping to get one Jewish girl out of prewar Nazi Germany.....

    For the Left, Maggie Thatcher is evil made flesh, blood and handbag. Yet it was under her that the Tory Party became a defender of Jewish causes as Maggie surrounded herself with Jewish talent. This did not sit well with the old patrician Tory party who were dismayed to see so many Jews in Thatcher's government.

    Thatcher was MP for Finchley, a constituency which included Golders Green. Finchley had the largest Jewish population of any constituency in Britain.

    Margaret Thatcher, the great Satan to the Left, was passionately pro-Jewish all her life. She admired her constituents, the Jewish population of Finchley, north London, for their belief in hard work, education and family. They were, Thatcher said, "her people".

    "In the 33 years that I represented Finchley, I never had a Jew come in poverty and desperation to one of my meetings," she wrote, wishing the rest of the population "would take closer note of the Jewish emphasis on self-help and the acceptance of personal responsibility".
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,830
    Andy_JS said:

    Local election news:

    It looks like UKIP have already conceded 2 of their 147 county council seats. They're not contesting two seats in Hampshire — Totton North and South Waterside — which they won last time.

    They did well in Hampshire last time didn't they? Poor omen, if so.
  • CyanCyan Posts: 1,262

    Cyan said:

    Asked about her greatest triumph, Thatcher did not recall becoming the first female British prime minister, or winning three general elections, or tossing the Argentinian invaders out of the Falkland Islands, or helping Ronald Reagan to win the Cold War, or bringing the big trade unions to heel. Asked to recall her finest moment, Maggie remembered helping to get one Jewish girl out of prewar Nazi Germany.....

    For the Left, Maggie Thatcher is evil made flesh, blood and handbag. Yet it was under her that the Tory Party became a defender of Jewish causes as Maggie surrounded herself with Jewish talent. This did not sit well with the old patrician Tory party who were dismayed to see so many Jews in Thatcher's government.

    Thatcher was MP for Finchley, a constituency which included Golders Green. Finchley had the largest Jewish population of any constituency in Britain.

    Margaret Thatcher, the great Satan to the Left, was passionately pro-Jewish all her life. She admired her constituents, the Jewish population of Finchley, north London, for their belief in hard work, education and family. They were, Thatcher said, "her people".

    "In the 33 years that I represented Finchley, I never had a Jew come in poverty and desperation to one of my meetings," she wrote, wishing the rest of the population "would take closer note of the Jewish emphasis on self-help and the acceptance of personal responsibility".
    Would that be community self-help or individual self-help? I'm also wondering how many non-Jewish people - white British, Irish, Pakistani, whatever - she had coming in poverty and desperation to her meetings.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @MrHarryCole: So that's members of both Cabinet and Shadow Cabinet, MPs, Peers, campaigners, charities and the Chief Rabbi so far. This isn't going well twitter.com/barrygardiner/…

    @BarryGardiner: Livingstone caused enormous offence & should have apologised.
    He was found guilty of bringing the Party into disrepute & should be expelled.

    The replies to Mr Gardiner are illuminating. The Labour Party is dead as a functioning political force.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Ken says: "Come on Barbie, let's go Nazi"
    https://youtu.be/ZyhrYis509A?t=85
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,762

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:



    Small gestures can count for a lot. Switch the bloody lights on

    Send PA474 over a 50 feet. A couple of lights pointing down to illuminate the gate as she flies over....
    Well, it's had practice at low flying...
    Hence the lights.
    Indeed
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,490
    Barnesian said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Barnesian said:

    kle4 said:

    Barnesian said:

    No - I am not going to let that stand. If someone wants to criticise what the Israeli government does or does not do, they can say so by using the phrase "Israeli government". There is absolutely no need to use the word Zionism. What is transparent is the tactic used by those who dislike Jews but don't want to say so obviously and latch onto the word Zionist as a way of criticising Jews and, if challenged, then claiming disingenuously that they only meant Israel. You can see this all the time if you read or listen to the outpourings of the sorts of people befriended by the likes of Ken or Corbyn or too many others in Labour.

    Too many of Ken and Corbyn's friends and allies give the impression and worse that the only thing wrong with the Holocaust is that it did not kill enough Jews. Too many of them recycle well-worn and ancient anti-semitic tropes. We should call out this vileness for what it is.

    No-one should be afraid to criticise the Israeli government. But I think that we need to realise that a lot of people who dislike or hate Jews, a lot of people who are anti-Semites use phrases such as Zionism and Zionist because it is an easy way of allowing them to express their hatred of Jews under a disguised and utterly disingenuous claim to be criticising only the Israeli government.
    Try to relate what you said to the Livingstone quotes:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-anti-semitism-row-full-transcript-of-ken-livingstones-interviews-a7005311.html

    He doesn't actually criticise Zionists, he criticises the Israeli government policies. And he repeatedly makes the point about conflating antisemitism with criticising the Israeli government policies - which is what you are doing.

    "Too many of Ken and Corbyn's friends and allies give the impression and worse that the only thing wrong with the Holocaust is that it did not kill enough Jews."

    Come on Cyclefree. You are better than that I know.
    I will provide you with examples if you like. It is late now but there are plenty of examples from Hamas and the Iranian regime of just what I have said. To be precise, you also get Holocaust deniers. Either way far too many of those whom Corbyn associates with and whom Ken quotes and associates with are those who either seek to diminish the evil of the Holocaust and/or wish evil on Jews.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,857
    RobD said:

    isam said:

    Some atrocities are sadder than others

    https://twitter.com/reutersworld/status/849338810311868416

    However, a spokesman for Berlin city government said the mayor had decided it would do this only in response to attacks in "partner cities". St Petersburg, where at least 14 people were killed in an attack on the metro on Monday, is not one.

    Critics argued that authorities lit up the Gate in rainbow colors last year after a gunman killed 49 people at a night club in Orlando, Florida, and also in the Israeli colors after an attack in Jerusalem. They are not partner cities.


    What a crap excuse, not that that the gesture itself is actually worth anything.
    They probably recall that the last time there was a conspicuous display of Russian vexillology in Berlin the KA's elite 43rd Rapist Brigade was sweeping through Brandenburg.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,531

    I'm feeling a bit faint seeing the Figaro headline: 'Le Grand Débat: L'After'

    Whatever happened to the Académie française?

    English is le best language in the world!
    Un after is Parisian for a lock-in.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,185
    kle4 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Local election news:

    It looks like UKIP have already conceded 2 of their 147 county council seats. They're not contesting two seats in Hampshire — Totton North and South Waterside — which they won last time.

    They did well in Hampshire last time didn't they? Poor omen, if so.
    Yep, they won 25% of the vote and got 10 seats out of 78.

    http://www.andrewteale.me.uk/leap/results/2013/384/
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,241
    A humorous take on yesterday's brouhaha:

    At last, Britain’s Prime Minister is really angry about something. No, not Scotland’s renewed bid for independence. Not even the E.U.’s apparent attempt to use Gibraltar as a bargaining chip in forthcoming Brexit talks.

    Instead, Theresa May has registered her fury at the war on Easter. Did you know there was a war on Easter? Because there is — as I write, fluffy bunnies across Britain are digging trenches and sharpening adorable little bayonets.

    The aggressors are the hapless marketing teams at chocolate maker Cadbury’s and conservation charity the National Trust, who omitted to mention the word "Easter" in the title for their annual egg hunt this spring (it's now called the "Great British Egg Hunt," if you're wondering). It’s not exactly Hitler invading Poland, but it has brought out the Winston Churchill in Britain’s formerly mild-mannered leader.


    http://time.com/4724358/cadbury-war-easter-theresa-may/
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,241
    EU wants to 'cherry pick':

    Diplomatic momentum is growing in Brussels for an interim trade deal with the U.K. that sets no tariffs on manufactured goods and food but restricts British services such as aviation and finance.

    http://www.politico.eu/article/eu-sketches-out-interim-uk-trade-deal-that-hits-services-hard/amp/

  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,912
    Is everyone ready to share their passwords with an immigration official?

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-administration-considers-far-reaching-steps-for-extreme-vetting-1491303602

    (And this is not just for people from the Middle East, it would apply to Brits too.)
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,549
    edited April 2017
    Labour....Tough on antisemitism, tough on the causes of antisemitism....

    I believe all those other found guilty and suspended got quietly readmitted within a month or two.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,549
    rcs1000 said:

    Is everyone ready to share their passwords with an immigration official?

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-administration-considers-far-reaching-steps-for-extreme-vetting-1491303602

    (And this is not just for people from the Middle East, it would apply to Brits too.)

    What if you don't know any of your passwords? I don't...and I have 2FA on all accounts that offer it.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,241
    edited April 2017
    rcs1000 said:

    Is everyone ready to share their passwords with an immigration official?

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-administration-considers-far-reaching-steps-for-extreme-vetting-1491303602

    (And this is not just for people from the Middle East, it would apply to Brits too.)

    Non £-wall:

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/apr/04/trump-extreme-vetting-visitors-to-us-share-contacts-passwords

    a senior Department of Homeland Security official was quoted as saying. “What you can get on the average person’s phone can be invaluable.”
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,549
    Some Labour MPs and Jewish groups have criticised the decision not to expel Mr Livingstone, but he said he had been "suspended for stating the truth".

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39498275

    Expect more Hitler, Hitler, Hitler, Hitler incidents in the future.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,549
    edited April 2017
    Cracking day for Labour....

    Keir Starmer apparently now also shadow minister for exit from UK

    Jezza claiming life expectancy falling, when it is rising

    Jezza arguing the nasty media lie about him

    Jezza's long time buddy not removed from the party for repeating claiming total BS about Hitler and the Jews.

    We are going to have to invent a new word for the GE campaign, because clusterf##k and omnishambles just won't do it justice.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,549
    Chief Rabbi says Labour has FAILED Jews as the party refuses to expel Ken Livingstone over remarks Hitler supported Zionism

    I will put him down as a maybe...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,549
    He is never going to make it through the GE campaign without a total and utter meltdown...

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4379968/Corbyn-moans-media-obsession-leadership.html
  • I don't think there's actually a floor for Labour seats under Corbyn. A general election campaign starting from opinion poll positions like this would be utterly brutal.


  • Never ever used the Z word myself but have to admit far too many Lefties seem obsessed. Just don't get it TBH

    They use it because they think it makes their Jew-baiting acceptable to the masses.
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