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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    Trump has been tweeting again....

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/847435163143454723

    Not too sure if this attitude towards the HFC is exactly a wise move from Trump.

    To be fair Trump is dead right on that first sentence. Trump Vs the nutters in the Freedom Caucus is going to be rock solid gold viewing.
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    CyanCyan Posts: 1,262
    edited March 2017

    Many of the early emigrants to Israel - as well as voters in the UK - were quite socialist.

    "Socialist" in name only; or if not, then hoodwinked by those who were financing the migration. How many Arabs have ever been allowed to join a kibbutz? Kibbutzim are similar to those neo-Nazi German "communes" in Chile.

    As for usury, Christians were banned from doing it, yes. Today's line by people such as the archbishop of Canterbury that "payday loan" companies such as Wonga (founded by Israelis) are naughty only because they charge "excessive" interest is pure hypocrisy. As for Jews, formally they aren't allowed to practise usury against each other (hence hypocritical notices on the wall in Israeli bank branches saying a rabbi says there are special circumstances, blah), but there isn't a ban on doing it to gentiles. The point is that in centuries past, the Christian authorities recognised Jews as being under the authority of the Jewish authorities. Both benefited from the usury.
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    Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    edited March 2017
    justin124 said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    justin124 said:

    I see that standards have really collapsed in the House of Commons. Fancy openly announcing yesterday that two Tory MPs have had a bastard together - one of the MPs being an adulterer. It would be good to see his Association deselect him.

    A "bastard". Do you also call gay people "poofters"?
    A child born out of wedlock is by legal definition a bastard.
    Don't tell me about legal definitions, I am a lawyer and I doubt you are. When did a statute or judgment last use the word "bastard" rather than illegitimate or born out of wedlock? You might as well say that a gay person is by legal definition a bugger. Let me guess: you are a potty mouthed god botherer, yes? (Or by legal definition a Christian).
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    kle4 said:

    justin124 said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    justin124 said:

    I see that standards have really collapsed in the House of Commons. Fancy openly announcing yesterday that two Tory MPs have had a bastard together - one of the MPs being an adulterer. It would be good to see his Association deselect him.

    A "bastard". Do you also call gay people "poofters"?
    A child born out of wedlock is by legal definition a bastard.
    Sure, and no bad thing, in itself.
    I totally agree. The kids are innocent - it is the parents I blame.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,783

    Mr. Carp, I'm just being finickity :p

    It is a genuine point, though. Jews think he wasn't Christ, Christians think he was, and Muslims think he was a prophet.

    I'm trying really hard to resist quoting the Life of Brian here.
    Let it out, you'll feel better for it.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,313
    Cyan said:

    Many of the early emigrants to Israel - as well as voters in the UK - were quite socialist.

    "Socialist" in name only; or if not, then hoodwinked by those who were financing the migration. How many Arabs have ever been allowed to join a kibbutz? Kibbutzim are similar to those neo-Nazi German "communes" in Chile.

    Ken?
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    Ishmael_Z said:

    justin124 said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    justin124 said:

    I see that standards have really collapsed in the House of Commons. Fancy openly announcing yesterday that two Tory MPs have had a bastard together - one of the MPs being an adulterer. It would be good to see his Association deselect him.

    A "bastard". Do you also call gay people "poofters"?
    A child born out of wedlock is by legal definition a bastard.
    Don't tell me about legal definitions, I am a lawyer and I doubt you are. When did a statute or judgment last use the word "bastard" rather than illegitimate or born out of wedlock? You might as well say that a gay person is by legal definition a bugger. Let me guess: you are a potty mouthed god botherer, yes? (Or by legal definition a Christian).
    I am legally trained !
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    Carolus_RexCarolus_Rex Posts: 1,414
    justin124 said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    justin124 said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    justin124 said:

    I see that standards have really collapsed in the House of Commons. Fancy openly announcing yesterday that two Tory MPs have had a bastard together - one of the MPs being an adulterer. It would be good to see his Association deselect him.

    A "bastard". Do you also call gay people "poofters"?
    A child born out of wedlock is by legal definition a bastard.
    Don't tell me about legal definitions, I am a lawyer and I doubt you are. When did a statute or judgment last use the word "bastard" rather than illegitimate or born out of wedlock? You might as well say that a gay person is by legal definition a bugger. Let me guess: you are a potty mouthed god botherer, yes? (Or by legal definition a Christian).
    I am legally trained !
    You're still wrong though. There is no legal definition of a bastard.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    Alistair said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    TOPPING said:

    Dear me, even Lord Mandelson - one of the two* most talented UK politicians of the last quarter-century - seems to have lost the plot and become enfeebled:

    Resist: We have vocally to oppose what we don't agree with – we have to challenge and controversialise [sic] decisions so ‘new norms’ don't materialise. That is why pro-refugee, anti-Trump demos, the Gina Miller case, new newspapers or campaigns against hard Brexit are so important.

    http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2017/03/peter-mandelson-slams-jeremy-corbyn-and-keir-starmer-not-acting-national

    * The other being Osborne, of course

    At least he didn't split his infinitives.
    Well he should have done, "We have vocally to oppose" for "We have to vocally oppose" is ridiculous. The rule was invented by a mad Latinist who thought that because "amare" was one word, so should "to love" be. English ain't Latin, and the rule is inconsistent anyway because amabo "I will love" is one word too and nobody goes around saying that "I will madly love" is a split future and it should be "I madly will love."

    I like to deliberately split infinitives just because I can; a moderately unique habit, I dare say.
    How can you tell an smug arrogant idiot from the general population? A smug arrogant idiot will insist on prescriptive grammatical forms as if language is derived from grammar rather than the grammar of a language being derived from the living use of the language.

    If Alfred the fucking Great can use 'less' rather than 'fewer' it's good enough for me.
    Alfred the Great, yes.

    Alfred the Grammarian, no.
    His greatness is pretty much predicated on his grammarianess.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    justin124 said:

    justin124 said:

    I see that standards have really collapsed in the House of Commons. Fancy openly announcing yesterday that two Tory MPs have had a bastard together - one of the MPs being an adulterer. It would be good to see his Association deselect him.

    Are you being serious? Don't you think this is a tad harsh?
    I am being serious actually. Would Theresa May or Thatcher have become PM had they had children born out of wedlock?
    I am not making a party political point here at all. A decade ago I was appalled when David Blunkett was so disappointed to find that he had NOT fathered a bastatrd by his lover! To think that this guy had once aspired to be a Methodist Minister!
    the blind leading the blind?
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091

    The route to the PM calling an election is first to have primary legislation to cancel the fixed term parliament act. Only a simple majority is needed to do this.

    Then we will be back to where we were and the leader of the party in power deciding when to have an election.

    Actually it would need a simple majority in both Houses (and it's far from certain there would be one in the Lords), and even if it passes it would take a lot of time, and it would take a lot of PR flak since it would be so transparently a political game.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    justin124 said:

    justin124 said:

    I see that standards have really collapsed in the House of Commons. Fancy openly announcing yesterday that two Tory MPs have had a bastard together - one of the MPs being an adulterer. It would be good to see his Association deselect him.

    Are you being serious? Don't you think this is a tad harsh?
    I am being serious actually. Would Theresa May or Thatcher have become PM had they had children born out of wedlock?
    I am not making a party political point here at all. A decade ago I was appalled when David Blunkett was so disappointed to find that he had NOT fathered a bastatrd by his lover! To think that this guy had once aspired to be a Methodist Minister!
    It actually does affect David Cameron in that his claim to the throne is put back by probably a couple of hundred thousand due to his ancestry being of royal bastardy :p
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    Carolus_RexCarolus_Rex Posts: 1,414
    justin124 said:

    justin124 said:

    I see that standards have really collapsed in the House of Commons. Fancy openly announcing yesterday that two Tory MPs have had a bastard together - one of the MPs being an adulterer. It would be good to see his Association deselect him.

    Are you being serious? Don't you think this is a tad harsh?
    I am being serious actually. Would Theresa May or Thatcher have become PM had they had children born out of wedlock?
    Well Ed Milliband came close!
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,756

    justin124 said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    justin124 said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    justin124 said:

    I see that standards have really collapsed in the House of Commons. Fancy openly announcing yesterday that two Tory MPs have had a bastard together - one of the MPs being an adulterer. It would be good to see his Association deselect him.

    A "bastard". Do you also call gay people "poofters"?
    A child born out of wedlock is by legal definition a bastard.
    Don't tell me about legal definitions, I am a lawyer and I doubt you are. When did a statute or judgment last use the word "bastard" rather than illegitimate or born out of wedlock? You might as well say that a gay person is by legal definition a bugger. Let me guess: you are a potty mouthed god botherer, yes? (Or by legal definition a Christian).
    I am legally trained !
    You're still wrong though. There is no legal definition of a bastard.
    Isnt it the offical title of anyone who's MP for Tatton ?
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    Mr. Carp, I'm just being finickity :p

    It is a genuine point, though. Jews think he wasn't Christ, Christians think he was, and Muslims think he was a prophet.

    I'm trying really hard to resist quoting the Life of Brian here.
    a red sea pedestrian, and proud of it?
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

    justin124 said:

    justin124 said:

    I see that standards have really collapsed in the House of Commons. Fancy openly announcing yesterday that two Tory MPs have had a bastard together - one of the MPs being an adulterer. It would be good to see his Association deselect him.

    Are you being serious? Don't you think this is a tad harsh?
    I am being serious actually. Would Theresa May or Thatcher have become PM had they had children born out of wedlock?
    Well Ed Milliband came close!
    I suspect he was married for reasons of electoral expediency.
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    CyanCyan Posts: 1,262
    edited March 2017
    Cyan said:

    Today's line by people such as the archbishop of Canterbury that "payday loan" companies such as Wonga (founded by Israelis) are naughty only because they charge "excessive" interest is pure hypocrisy. As for Jews, formally they aren't allowed to practise usury against each other (hence hypocritical notices on the wall in Israeli bank branches saying a rabbi says there are special circumstances, blah), but there isn't a ban on doing it to gentiles.

    And to complete the pattern, the authorities in many Islamic countries are fine with usury being carried out by high street banks. Not "Islamic" deals where someone buys something for another person and then rents it to them, but straightforward lending of money at interest.

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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,850
    "Bastard" was actually the polite usage in the past. The perjorative term was Whoreson.
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    Carolus_RexCarolus_Rex Posts: 1,414
    justin124 said:

    justin124 said:

    justin124 said:

    I see that standards have really collapsed in the House of Commons. Fancy openly announcing yesterday that two Tory MPs have had a bastard together - one of the MPs being an adulterer. It would be good to see his Association deselect him.

    Are you being serious? Don't you think this is a tad harsh?
    I am being serious actually. Would Theresa May or Thatcher have become PM had they had children born out of wedlock?
    Well Ed Milliband came close!
    I suspect he was married for reasons of electoral expediency.
    He still had children born out of wedlock though.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    justin124 said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    justin124 said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    justin124 said:

    I see that standards have really collapsed in the House of Commons. Fancy openly announcing yesterday that two Tory MPs have had a bastard together - one of the MPs being an adulterer. It would be good to see his Association deselect him.

    A "bastard". Do you also call gay people "poofters"?
    A child born out of wedlock is by legal definition a bastard.
    Don't tell me about legal definitions, I am a lawyer and I doubt you are. When did a statute or judgment last use the word "bastard" rather than illegitimate or born out of wedlock? You might as well say that a gay person is by legal definition a bugger. Let me guess: you are a potty mouthed god botherer, yes? (Or by legal definition a Christian).
    I am legally trained !
    You're still wrong though. There is no legal definition of a bastard.
    William the Conqueror's real name was William the child born outside Wedlock (Wedlock being a settlement in Normandy).
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    Carolus_RexCarolus_Rex Posts: 1,414
    Sean_F said:

    "Bastard" was actually the polite usage in the past. The perjorative term was Whoreson.

    William the Conqueror never minded being called a bastard.

    Remind him that his grandfather was a tanner, though, and there would be consequences!
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    MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    edited March 2017
    Pulpstar said:

    justin124 said:

    justin124 said:

    I see that standards have really collapsed in the House of Commons. Fancy openly announcing yesterday that two Tory MPs have had a bastard together - one of the MPs being an adulterer. It would be good to see his Association deselect him.

    Are you being serious? Don't you think this is a tad harsh?
    I am being serious actually. Would Theresa May or Thatcher have become PM had they had children born out of wedlock?
    I am not making a party political point here at all. A decade ago I was appalled when David Blunkett was so disappointed to find that he had NOT fathered a bastatrd by his lover! To think that this guy had once aspired to be a Methodist Minister!
    It actually does affect David Cameron in that his claim to the throne is put back by probably a couple of hundred thousand due to his ancestry being of royal bastardy :p

    I remember reading somewhere that they only track about 5,000 possible claimants to the throne.

    I think that the last one was a vet somewhere in Germany.

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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,371
    Tim_B said:

    Mr. Carp, I'm just being finickity :p

    It is a genuine point, though. Jews think he wasn't Christ, Christians think he was, and Muslims think he was a prophet.

    I'm trying really hard to resist quoting the Life of Brian here.
    a red sea pedestrian, and proud of it?
    Bloody do-gooder.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,946
    I'm sure you won't be invited to any Baptism JustinShortStraws.

    Thanks, though, always refreshing to be reminded just how wrong the self-righteous can be.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,371
    kle4 said:

    Mr. Carp, I'm just being finickity :p

    It is a genuine point, though. Jews think he wasn't Christ, Christians think he was, and Muslims think he was a prophet.

    I'm trying really hard to resist quoting the Life of Brian here.
    Let it out, you'll feel better for it.
    I wasn't talking to you, big nose.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,783
    justin124 said:

    kle4 said:

    justin124 said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    justin124 said:

    I see that standards have really collapsed in the House of Commons. Fancy openly announcing yesterday that two Tory MPs have had a bastard together - one of the MPs being an adulterer. It would be good to see his Association deselect him.

    A "bastard". Do you also call gay people "poofters"?
    A child born out of wedlock is by legal definition a bastard.
    Sure, and no bad thing, in itself.
    I totally agree. The kids are innocent - it is the parents I blame.
    As long as they do right by the kid, I attach no blame to them either, since the circumstances will be irrelevant to the kids development.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    justin124 said:

    justin124 said:

    I see that standards have really collapsed in the House of Commons. Fancy openly announcing yesterday that two Tory MPs have had a bastard together - one of the MPs being an adulterer. It would be good to see his Association deselect him.

    Are you being serious? Don't you think this is a tad harsh?
    I am being serious actually. Would Theresa May or Thatcher have become PM had they had children born out of wedlock?
    Well Ed Milliband came close!
    either close or too soon :wink:
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    CyanCyan Posts: 1,262

    justin124 said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    justin124 said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    justin124 said:

    I see that standards have really collapsed in the House of Commons. Fancy openly announcing yesterday that two Tory MPs have had a bastard together - one of the MPs being an adulterer. It would be good to see his Association deselect him.

    A "bastard". Do you also call gay people "poofters"?
    A child born out of wedlock is by legal definition a bastard.
    Don't tell me about legal definitions, I am a lawyer and I doubt you are. When did a statute or judgment last use the word "bastard" rather than illegitimate or born out of wedlock? You might as well say that a gay person is by legal definition a bugger. Let me guess: you are a potty mouthed god botherer, yes? (Or by legal definition a Christian).
    I am legally trained !
    You're still wrong though. There is no legal definition of a bastard.
    Are you sure that all statutes that refer to "bastardy", of which there were several, have been wholly repealed?
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,317

    justin124 said:

    justin124 said:

    I see that standards have really collapsed in the House of Commons. Fancy openly announcing yesterday that two Tory MPs have had a bastard together - one of the MPs being an adulterer. It would be good to see his Association deselect him.

    Can you name names?
    Andrea Jenkyns and Jack Lopresti.
    And who's the bastard? IDS?

    Not sure Chingford Conservative Association are ready to deselect him, though.
    Chingford AND Woodford Green!
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929

    Pulpstar said:

    justin124 said:

    justin124 said:

    I see that standards have really collapsed in the House of Commons. Fancy openly announcing yesterday that two Tory MPs have had a bastard together - one of the MPs being an adulterer. It would be good to see his Association deselect him.

    Are you being serious? Don't you think this is a tad harsh?
    I am being serious actually. Would Theresa May or Thatcher have become PM had they had children born out of wedlock?
    I am not making a party political point here at all. A decade ago I was appalled when David Blunkett was so disappointed to find that he had NOT fathered a bastatrd by his lover! To think that this guy had once aspired to be a Methodist Minister!
    It actually does affect David Cameron in that his claim to the throne is put back by probably a couple of hundred thousand due to his ancestry being of royal bastardy :p

    I remember reading somewhere that they only track about 5,000 possible claimants to the throne.

    I think that the last one was a vet somewhere in Germany.

    I wonder if King George VII's first child is a daughter, will it still be the House of Windsor ?

    Or will her husband (Who will be King Consort due to the rule change on succession) change his last name.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,371
    Tim_B said:

    justin124 said:

    justin124 said:

    I see that standards have really collapsed in the House of Commons. Fancy openly announcing yesterday that two Tory MPs have had a bastard together - one of the MPs being an adulterer. It would be good to see his Association deselect him.

    Are you being serious? Don't you think this is a tad harsh?
    I am being serious actually. Would Theresa May or Thatcher have become PM had they had children born out of wedlock?
    Well Ed Milliband came close!
    either close or too soon :wink:
    Ewww. Mind bleach.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,371
    edited March 2017
    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    justin124 said:

    justin124 said:

    I see that standards have really collapsed in the House of Commons. Fancy openly announcing yesterday that two Tory MPs have had a bastard together - one of the MPs being an adulterer. It would be good to see his Association deselect him.

    Are you being serious? Don't you think this is a tad harsh?
    I am being serious actually. Would Theresa May or Thatcher have become PM had they had children born out of wedlock?
    I am not making a party political point here at all. A decade ago I was appalled when David Blunkett was so disappointed to find that he had NOT fathered a bastatrd by his lover! To think that this guy had once aspired to be a Methodist Minister!
    It actually does affect David Cameron in that his claim to the throne is put back by probably a couple of hundred thousand due to his ancestry being of royal bastardy :p

    I remember reading somewhere that they only track about 5,000 possible claimants to the throne.

    I think that the last one was a vet somewhere in Germany.

    I wonder if King George VII's first child is a daughter, will it still be the House of Windsor ?

    Or will her husband (Who will be King Consort due to the rule change on succession) change his last name.
    Been there before, in 1952.

    It will be Windsor.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    justin124 said:

    justin124 said:

    I see that standards have really collapsed in the House of Commons. Fancy openly announcing yesterday that two Tory MPs have had a bastard together - one of the MPs being an adulterer. It would be good to see his Association deselect him.

    Can you name names?
    Andrea Jenkyns and Jack Lopresti.
    And who's the bastard? IDS?

    Not sure Chingford Conservative Association are ready to deselect him, though.
    Chingford AND Woodford Green!
    How do you make Woodford Green?

    - give him a dose of castor oil.
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    “Brexit isn’t the end. A lot of people would like it that way, even people on another continent where the newly elected US President was happy that the Brexit was taking place and has asked other countries to do the same,” Jean-Claude Juncker said.

    “If he goes on like that I am going to promote the independence of Ohio and Austin, Texas in the US.”


    http://nypost.com/2017/03/30/eu-head-tries-wild-threat-to-stop-trump-from-praising-brexit/
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,371
    He's NOT the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy!!

    #feelbetter #pleasedon'tmentionjesusandpontiuspilateandwhatdifferentreligionsthinkofitbecauseican'thelpmyself
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    Tim_B said:

    justin124 said:

    justin124 said:

    I see that standards have really collapsed in the House of Commons. Fancy openly announcing yesterday that two Tory MPs have had a bastard together - one of the MPs being an adulterer. It would be good to see his Association deselect him.

    Are you being serious? Don't you think this is a tad harsh?
    I am being serious actually. Would Theresa May or Thatcher have become PM had they had children born out of wedlock?
    Well Ed Milliband came close!
    either close or too soon :wink:
    Ewww. Mind bleach.
    or, as a banker would say - substantial penalty for early withdrawal
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,317
    Tim_B said:

    Mr. Carp, I'm just being finickity :p

    It is a genuine point, though. Jews think he wasn't Christ, Christians think he was, and Muslims think he was a prophet.

    I'm trying really hard to resist quoting the Life of Brian here.
    a red sea pedestrian, and proud of it?
    You're a very naughty boy!
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    CyanCyan Posts: 1,262
    edited March 2017
    Cyan said:



    justin124 said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    justin124 said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    justin124 said:

    I see that standards have really collapsed in the House of Commons. Fancy openly announcing yesterday that two Tory MPs have had a bastard together - one of the MPs being an adulterer. It would be good to see his Association deselect him.

    A "bastard". Do you also call gay people "poofters"?
    A child born out of wedlock is by legal definition a bastard.
    Don't tell me about legal definitions, I am a lawyer and I doubt you are. When did a statute or judgment last use the word "bastard" rather than illegitimate or born out of wedlock? You might as well say that a gay person is by legal definition a bugger. Let me guess: you are a potty mouthed god botherer, yes? (Or by legal definition a Christian).
    I am legally trained !
    You're still wrong though. There is no legal definition of a bastard.
    Are you sure that all statutes that refer to "bastardy", of which there were several, have been wholly repealed?
    In 1981, Hugh Rossi, the Minister for Social Security, referred in the House of Commons to an arrangement by which addresses were being supplied to courts in connection with "proceedings under the Bastardy Laws Amendment Act", so it must still have been in force then. (Hansard.)
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,317
    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    justin124 said:

    justin124 said:

    I see that standards have really collapsed in the House of Commons. Fancy openly announcing yesterday that two Tory MPs have had a bastard together - one of the MPs being an adulterer. It would be good to see his Association deselect him.

    Are you being serious? Don't you think this is a tad harsh?
    I am being serious actually. Would Theresa May or Thatcher have become PM had they had children born out of wedlock?
    I am not making a party political point here at all. A decade ago I was appalled when David Blunkett was so disappointed to find that he had NOT fathered a bastatrd by his lover! To think that this guy had once aspired to be a Methodist Minister!
    It actually does affect David Cameron in that his claim to the throne is put back by probably a couple of hundred thousand due to his ancestry being of royal bastardy :p

    I remember reading somewhere that they only track about 5,000 possible claimants to the throne.

    I think that the last one was a vet somewhere in Germany.

    I wonder if King George VII's first child is a daughter, will it still be the House of Windsor ?

    Or will her husband (Who will be King Consort due to the rule change on succession) change his last name.
    Isn't Charles' last name "Wales"?
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    He's NOT the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy!!

    #feelbetter #pleasedon'tmentionjesusandpontiuspilateandwhatdifferentreligionsthinkofitbecauseican'thelpmyself

    I'm not oppressing you, Stan. You haven't got a womb! Where's the foetus gonna gestate? You gonna keep it in a box?
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,987
    The bastardry of a William is also a bone of contention in Kingdom Asunder [the plot's premise is whether or not he, as a young king, is actually a bastard. Civil war ensues, treachery abounds and so forth].
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    Tim_B said:

    Mr. Carp, I'm just being finickity :p

    It is a genuine point, though. Jews think he wasn't Christ, Christians think he was, and Muslims think he was a prophet.

    I'm trying really hard to resist quoting the Life of Brian here.
    a red sea pedestrian, and proud of it?
    You're a very naughty boy!
    "We, the People's Front of Judea, brackets, official, end brackets, do hereby convey our sincere fraternal and sisterly greetings to you, Brian, on this, the occasion of your martyrdom. "
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    The bastardry of a William is also a bone of contention in Kingdom Asunder [the plot's premise is whether or not he, as a young king, is actually a bastard. Civil war ensues, treachery abounds and so forth].

    You need the bone to have the bastard :wink:
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,308
    In Scotland the concept of illegitimacy has been abolished since 2006: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/asp/2006/2/crossheading/abolition-of-status-of-illegitimacy

    I don't know but I would be surprised if the position was not the same in England.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,371
    Tim_B said:

    The bastardry of a William is also a bone of contention in Kingdom Asunder [the plot's premise is whether or not he, as a young king, is actually a bastard. Civil war ensues, treachery abounds and so forth].

    You need the bone to have the bastard :wink:
    Wait until Biggus Dickus hears of this.
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    Carolus_RexCarolus_Rex Posts: 1,414
    Cyan said:

    Cyan said:



    justin124 said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    justin124 said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    justin124 said:

    I see that standards have really collapsed in the House of Commons. Fancy openly announcing yesterday that two Tory MPs have had a bastard together - one of the MPs being an adulterer. It would be good to see his Association deselect him.

    A "bastard". Do you also call gay people "poofters"?
    A child born out of wedlock is by legal definition a bastard.
    Don't tell me about legal definitions, I am a lawyer and I doubt you are. When did a statute or judgment last use the word "bastard" rather than illegitimate or born out of wedlock? You might as well say that a gay person is by legal definition a bugger. Let me guess: you are a potty mouthed god botherer, yes? (Or by legal definition a Christian).
    I am legally trained !
    You're still wrong though. There is no legal definition of a bastard.
    Are you sure that all statutes that refer to "bastardy", of which there were several, have been wholly repealed?
    In 1981, Hugh Rossi, the Minister for Social Security, referred in the House of Commons to an arrangement by which addresses were being supplied to courts in connection with "proceedings under the Bastardy Laws Amendment Act", so it must still have been in force then. (Hansard.)
    Yes, in relation to what were then called Affiliation Proceedings, but they were brought to an end by the FLRA in 1987.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,371

    The bastardry of a William is also a bone of contention in Kingdom Asunder [the plot's premise is whether or not he, as a young king, is actually a bastard. Civil war ensues, treachery abounds and so forth].

    ... And the beast shall be huge and black, and the eyes thereof red with the blood of living creatures, and the whore of Babylon shall ride forth on a three-headed serpent, and throughout the lands, there'll be a great rubbing of parts. Yeeah...
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,700
    chestnut said:

    “Brexit isn’t the end.

    No, but with the non-Euro members losing their blocking ability with the departure of Britain it may be the beginning of the end....

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    CyanCyan Posts: 1,262
    Pulpstar said:

    I wonder if King George VII's first child is a daughter, will it still be the House of Windsor ?

    Or will her husband (Who will be King Consort due to the rule change on succession) change his last name.

    If she were to "marry" a woman, her spouse could presumably be recorded as "father" on the birth certificate, just as Elton John's male spouse David Furnish is recorded as a "mother", but would her spouse by "King" or "Queen" consort?

    Never let it be said that these ridiculous changes that have been introduced since 2001 following the lead of the Netherlands don't create a position which everyone knows and agrees is exactly how things should be.

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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,371
    Tim_B said:

    He's NOT the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy!!

    #feelbetter #pleasedon'tmentionjesusandpontiuspilateandwhatdifferentreligionsthinkofitbecauseican'thelpmyself

    I'm not oppressing you, Stan. You haven't got a womb! Where's the foetus gonna gestate? You gonna keep it in a box?
    How shall we fuck off, oh Lord?
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,822
    edited March 2017
    chestnut said:

    “Brexit isn’t the end. A lot of people would like it that way, even people on another continent where the newly elected US President was happy that the Brexit was taking place and has asked other countries to do the same,” Jean-Claude Juncker said.

    “If he goes on like that I am going to promote the independence of Ohio and Austin, Texas in the US.”


    http://nypost.com/2017/03/30/eu-head-tries-wild-threat-to-stop-trump-from-praising-brexit/

    I'm not sure most Texans would even be able to pronounce Jean Claude Juncker nevermind take any notice of him...

    Gene - Cloud - Junk-Er?
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    AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 2,869
    DavidL said:

    In Scotland the concept of illegitimacy has been abolished since 2006: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/asp/2006/2/crossheading/abolition-of-status-of-illegitimacy

    I don't know but I would be surprised if the position was not the same in England.

    Does that mean that inheritance can no longer depend on marriage?
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    CyanCyan Posts: 1,262
    edited March 2017
    AnneJGP said:

    DavidL said:

    In Scotland the concept of illegitimacy has been abolished since 2006: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/asp/2006/2/crossheading/abolition-of-status-of-illegitimacy

    I don't know but I would be surprised if the position was not the same in England.

    Does that mean that inheritance can no longer depend on marriage?
    Surely it must do, because either the concept of "legitimacy" is also thereby abolished or else it applies to everyone. So if a wife gets pregnant by a man who isn't her husband, the child has no right of inheritance from her husband but he does from his biological father? Which is great news for the makers of paternity testing kits, and for siblings who wonder where other siblings got their facial characteristics from. It's about time for politicians to stop making laws for public relations reasons.
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    Carolus_RexCarolus_Rex Posts: 1,414
    AnneJGP said:

    DavidL said:

    In Scotland the concept of illegitimacy has been abolished since 2006: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/asp/2006/2/crossheading/abolition-of-status-of-illegitimacy

    I don't know but I would be surprised if the position was not the same in England.

    Does that mean that inheritance can no longer depend on marriage?
    In England, yes. Don't know about Scotland.
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    JonathanDJonathanD Posts: 2,400
    TGOHF said:

    Cheap booze and fags for all during travel - huzzah for Brexit

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/30/return-booze-cruise-ferry-chiefs-plan-slash-wine-beer-prices/

    "Brexit will see the return of the "booze cruise" as ferry-passengers will enjoy duty free wine and cigarettes for first time in nearly 20 years.

    The British Chamber of Shipping, which represents cross-Channel ferry operators, said that duty free will be "automatically" introduced on cross-channel ferries after Britain leaves the customs union"

    Current situation: ferry to France, buy wine at the hypermarche with 2p a bottle duty, bring as much as you like back and no trouble at Customs. Mega savings if you have the boot space.

    Post-Brexit: ferry to France, buy bottles of wine on ferry back saving 2p a bottle duty. At UK customs find out the personal limit for wine is 4l, so have to pay UK duty on the rest. Total saving about 10p over buying your wine in the UK.


    The EU customs union and the end of the booze cruise was bad for the ferry operators but good for the consumer.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,317

    Tim_B said:

    The bastardry of a William is also a bone of contention in Kingdom Asunder [the plot's premise is whether or not he, as a young king, is actually a bastard. Civil war ensues, treachery abounds and so forth].

    You need the bone to have the bastard :wink:
    Wait until Biggus Dickus hears of this.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPGb4STRfKw
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    Tim_B said:

    He's NOT the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy!!

    #feelbetter #pleasedon'tmentionjesusandpontiuspilateandwhatdifferentreligionsthinkofitbecauseican'thelpmyself

    I'm not oppressing you, Stan. You haven't got a womb! Where's the foetus gonna gestate? You gonna keep it in a box?
    How shall we fuck off, oh Lord?
    Let us, like Him, hold up one shoe and let the other be upon our foot, for this is His sign, that all who follow Him shall do likewise.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    The bastardry of a William is also a bone of contention in Kingdom Asunder [the plot's premise is whether or not he, as a young king, is actually a bastard. Civil war ensues, treachery abounds and so forth].

    ... And the beast shall be huge and black, and the eyes thereof red with the blood of living creatures, and the whore of Babylon shall ride forth on a three-headed serpent, and throughout the lands, there'll be a great rubbing of parts. Yeeah...
    And there shall in that time be rumours of things going astray, and there will be a great confusion as to where things really are, and nobody will really know where lieth those little things with the sort of raffia work base, that has an attachment…at this time, a friend shall lose his friend’s hammer and the young shall not know where lieth the things possessed by their fathers that their fathers put there only just the night before around eight o’clock...
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,190
    Mortimer said:
    One of our lot should commission a poll in GB on Bavarian independence.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,317

    Tim_B said:

    He's NOT the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy!!

    #feelbetter #pleasedon'tmentionjesusandpontiuspilateandwhatdifferentreligionsthinkofitbecauseican'thelpmyself

    I'm not oppressing you, Stan. You haven't got a womb! Where's the foetus gonna gestate? You gonna keep it in a box?
    How shall we fuck off, oh Lord?
    Romanes eunt domus
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,308
    AnneJGP said:

    DavidL said:

    In Scotland the concept of illegitimacy has been abolished since 2006: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/asp/2006/2/crossheading/abolition-of-status-of-illegitimacy

    I don't know but I would be surprised if the position was not the same in England.

    Does that mean that inheritance can no longer depend on marriage?
    Yep.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Mortimer said:
    How many Germans can tell Stork from butter? Now there's a useful poll.
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,342
    TOPPING said:

    MTimT said:


    Hitler's Willing Executioners, although a tedious book, does document the centuries of anti-semitism in Germany that predisposed non-Jewish Germans to think of the generic Jew (as opposed to your urbane banker neighbour jew) as somehow sub-human.

    Currently reading The Hare With Amber Eyes, strongly recommended by friends (it's a bit heavy going unless you can be enticed into an interest in netsuke collection, but well written). The author goes into some detail about the bonkers anti-semitism in France in the 19th century, including lots of well-known artists like Degas: essentially they were marginalised and then resented for prospering at the margin. John Buchan's books show it in England too. I think it was only the Nazi mass murder of ordinary people that really turned opinion decisively against it.
    Heavy going? You're kidding, right? It is the most exquisite, delicate book.
    It's beautifully written. I'm just not in the least interested in the subject. For me, it's like consuming a wonderfully crafted, delicately formed vacuum. Whenever I start to read another chapter, I think of paperclips that need straightening, hoovering that needs doing. But I really like the friend who recommended it and I can see it's a lovely creation, so I'm perservering.
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    JonathanDJonathanD Posts: 2,400
    SeanT said:

    JonathanD said:

    chestnut said:

    glw said:

    chestnut said:

    Not so much a Brussels offce as a portakabin.

    To be fair I get why Remainers would seize on such news. But trying to be objective there is not a lot of sign of panic in the business world, there has been a lot of positive investment and business news in recent months. The UK and London in particular look likely to remain a popular location for investment and operations, even if there does have to be some peripheral reorganisation to operate from outside of the EU.
    The loss of work from the City was always part of the anti-Brexit narrative but it only tells half the story. Other businesses are moving work into the UK and the flow is two way. It was always going to be a case of individual businesses doing what they assumed would be right for them.

    The big picture remains very good employment figures, near record job opportunities and a Brexit boosted improvement in the public sector finances. Inflation is also finally at the desired 2% level.
    What business has moved here because of Brexit?
    Also, in time, a fair proportion of the tens of thousands of lobbyists, now in Brussels, will move to London. The UK is 20% of EU GDP; when the UK is making 95% of its own laws, rather than 50%, these lobbyists will need to attend, much more closely, to the large British market.

    This is what Brexit means. Power flows back to the UK. London becomes MORE important, politically (likewise Edinburgh, Cardiff, Belfast), even as we lose influence over Brussels.

    Where power resides, business clusters.

    I suspect the flow of lobbyists from Brussels to London will be wiped out by those going the opposite way and who were attached to the European Banking Authority and the European Medicines Agency.

    Also, as part of the EU, the UK had a role in writing legislation and standards for a whole continent - a big prize for lobbyists. Out of the EU, most of our standards will probably still mirror those of the EU but we will have no influence on them and so not be worth lobbying.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    Tim_B said:

    He's NOT the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy!!

    #feelbetter #pleasedon'tmentionjesusandpontiuspilateandwhatdifferentreligionsthinkofitbecauseican'thelpmyself

    I'm not oppressing you, Stan. You haven't got a womb! Where's the foetus gonna gestate? You gonna keep it in a box?
    How shall we fuck off, oh Lord?
    Romanes eunt domus
    "Domus"? Nominative? "Go home", this is motion towards, isn't it, boy?”
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,074
    Mortimer said:
    Don't underestimate the impact of the wave of public goodwill towards Scotland from across the EU. Europe will roll out the red carpet for a state reborn.
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    AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 2,869
    .
    DavidL said:

    AnneJGP said:

    DavidL said:

    In Scotland the concept of illegitimacy has been abolished since 2006: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/asp/2006/2/crossheading/abolition-of-status-of-illegitimacy

    I don't know but I would be surprised if the position was not the same in England.

    Does that mean that inheritance can no longer depend on marriage?
    Yep.
    So, where it really matters, DNA tests at birth will become mandatory?
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,969
    edited March 2017
    Mortimer said:

    twitter.com/europeelects/status/847383688954339328

    What a useless poll.

    20 and 80? Did they ask 5 people? :p
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,969
    edited March 2017

    Mortimer said:

    twitter.com/europeelects/status/847383688954339328

    What a useless poll.
    Don't underestimate the impact of the wave of public goodwill towards Scotland from across the EU. Europe will roll out the red carpet for a state reborn.
    To bad they don't want to join ;)
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,756

    Mortimer said:
    Don't underestimate the impact of the wave of public goodwill towards Scotland from across the EU. Europe will roll out the red carpet for a state reborn.
    yes, Greece shows that so well

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    Carolus_RexCarolus_Rex Posts: 1,414
    AnneJGP said:

    .

    DavidL said:

    AnneJGP said:

    DavidL said:

    In Scotland the concept of illegitimacy has been abolished since 2006: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/asp/2006/2/crossheading/abolition-of-status-of-illegitimacy

    I don't know but I would be surprised if the position was not the same in England.

    Does that mean that inheritance can no longer depend on marriage?
    Yep.
    So, where it really matters, DNA tests at birth will become mandatory?
    Where it really matters, you should make a will!
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    Mortimer said:
    Don't underestimate the impact of the wave of public goodwill towards Scotland from across the EU. Europe will roll out the red carpet for a state reborn.
    Including Spain, with the Catalans and Basques to deal with?
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    welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,460
    And 8 out of 10 British cats support the restitution of Hanover to the UK. 180 years of hurt and counting.

    Which would be about as relevant.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    RobD said:

    Mortimer said:

    twitter.com/europeelects/status/847383688954339328

    What a useless poll.

    20 and 80? Did they ask 5 people? :p
    7, but they didn't quote the unadusted numbers :wink:
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,987
    Mr. B, I think the Basque has settled down.

    However, Venice and its environs occasionally rumble about independence.

    Foreign leaders and nations should not interfere in domestic policies. Those that do should be sent to the back of the queue.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,074
    Tim_B said:

    Mortimer said:
    Don't underestimate the impact of the wave of public goodwill towards Scotland from across the EU. Europe will roll out the red carpet for a state reborn.
    Including Spain, with the Catalans and Basques to deal with?
    The Spanish government isn't promising to take away EU citizenship from Catalans and Basques against their will.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    Mr. B, I think the Basque has settled down.

    However, Venice and its environs occasionally rumble about independence.

    Foreign leaders and nations should not interfere in domestic policies. Those that do should be sent to the back of the queue.

    The Catalans certainly haven't settled down.
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341

    Mr. B, I think the Basque has settled down.

    However, Venice and its environs occasionally rumble about independence.

    Foreign leaders and nations should not interfere in domestic policies. Those that do should be sent to the back of the queue.

    Speaking of Venice: http://news.sky.com/story/alleged-islamic-state-sympathisers-arrested-over-plot-to-bomb-venices-rialto-bridge-10818369
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    Tim_B said:

    Mortimer said:
    Don't underestimate the impact of the wave of public goodwill towards Scotland from across the EU. Europe will roll out the red carpet for a state reborn.
    Including Spain, with the Catalans and Basques to deal with?
    The Spanish government isn't promising to take away EU citizenship from Catalans and Basques against their will.
    The Catalans would certainly like to be independent of Spain. They are staying such against their will.
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Pulpstar said:

    Mr. Carp, I'm just being finickity :p

    It is a genuine point, though. Jews think he wasn't Christ, Christians think he was, and Muslims think he was a prophet.

    He's very important in Islam, far less so in most interpretations of Judaism.
    How can he have a place in Judaism ? He came centuries [ or millennia ] after the birth of Judaism. Islam is different as it came six centuries later.
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    welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,460

    Tim_B said:

    Mortimer said:
    Don't underestimate the impact of the wave of public goodwill towards Scotland from across the EU. Europe will roll out the red carpet for a state reborn.
    Including Spain, with the Catalans and Basques to deal with?
    The Spanish government isn't promising to take away EU citizenship from Catalans and Basques against their will.
    And from what we can fathom ( which isn't easy I'll grant you) Ms Sturgeon isn't proposing giving it back either.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    chestnut said:

    Mr. B, I think the Basque has settled down.

    However, Venice and its environs occasionally rumble about independence.

    Foreign leaders and nations should not interfere in domestic policies. Those that do should be sent to the back of the queue.

    Speaking of Venice: http://news.sky.com/story/alleged-islamic-state-sympathisers-arrested-over-plot-to-bomb-venices-rialto-bridge-10818369
    George and Amal Clooney went under the bridge in 2014.

    There's been much water under the bridge since then.....
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,987
    Mr. B, indeed.

    Mr. Chestnut, lunatics are in abundance, alas.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,190
    Wow. The BBC is reporting a story of poor care in the NHS in which a child died. This was as a result of a poor decision by management. The BBC, of course, are turning it into a story about the NHS being under pressure.
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    JonathanD said:

    TGOHF said:

    Cheap booze and fags for all during travel - huzzah for Brexit

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/30/return-booze-cruise-ferry-chiefs-plan-slash-wine-beer-prices/

    "Brexit will see the return of the "booze cruise" as ferry-passengers will enjoy duty free wine and cigarettes for first time in nearly 20 years.

    The British Chamber of Shipping, which represents cross-Channel ferry operators, said that duty free will be "automatically" introduced on cross-channel ferries after Britain leaves the customs union"

    Current situation: ferry to France, buy wine at the hypermarche with 2p a bottle duty, bring as much as you like back and no trouble at Customs. Mega savings if you have the boot space.

    Post-Brexit: ferry to France, buy bottles of wine on ferry back saving 2p a bottle duty. At UK customs find out the personal limit for wine is 4l, so have to pay UK duty on the rest. Total saving about 10p over buying your wine in the UK.


    The EU customs union and the end of the booze cruise was bad for the ferry operators but good for the consumer.
    The last time I was in a French supermarket, which admittedly was a couple of years back, the price of reasonable wine was much the same, if not a little more, than in my local off-licence. French fags are just as expensive as English ones and the same went for most of the other stuff that used to be much cheaper (e.g. washing powder). The booze cruise ended, I think, because French prices rose to match our own.

    That said one of my chums still sends his wife over twice a year to drive up into Belgium to buy his cigars. She buys him £1,000 worth at a time and he reckons even including the petrol, a ferry, and her overnight stop he is well up compared to buying the same items in the UK.
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    JenSJenS Posts: 91
    Cyan said:



    justin124 said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    justin124 said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    justin124 said:

    I see that standards have really collapsed in the House of Commons. Fancy openly announcing yesterday that two Tory MPs have had a bastard together - one of the MPs being an adulterer. It would be good to see his Association deselect him.

    A "bastard". Do you also call gay people "poofters"?
    A child born out of wedlock is by legal definition a bastard.
    Don't tell me about legal definitions, I am a lawyer and I doubt you are. When did a statute or judgment last use the word "bastard" rather than illegitimate or born out of wedlock? You might as well say that a gay person is by legal definition a bugger. Let me guess: you are a potty mouthed god botherer, yes? (Or by legal definition a Christian).
    I am legally trained !
    You're still wrong though. There is no legal definition of a bastard.
    Are you sure that all statutes that refer to "bastardy", of which there were several, have been wholly repealed?
    The Bastards (Scotland) Act 1836 was repealed in 1986.

    Just leaving that there.

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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,993
    TGOHF said:

    Nicola will be FEWMIN !!

    "4.5 This will be an opportunity to determine the level best placed to take decisions on
    these issues, ensuring power sits closer to the people of the UK than ever before. It is the
    expectation of the Government that the outcome of this process will be a significant increase
    in the decision making power of each devolved administration."
    LOL, how many times can you peddle teh same lie and expewct people to be taken in. All the Tories will do is shaft Scotland and remove what measly powers they have.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,993
    SeanT said:

    JonathanD said:

    chestnut said:

    glw said:

    chestnut said:

    Not so much a Brussels offce as a portakabin.

    To be fair I get why Remainers would seize on such news. But trying to be objective there is not a lot of sign of panic in the business world, there has been a lot of positive investment and business news in recent months. The UK and London in particular look likely to remain a popular location for investment and operations, even if there does have to be some peripheral reorganisation to operate from outside of the EU.
    The loss of work from the City was always part of the anti-Brexit narrative but it only tells half the story. Other businesses are moving work into the UK and the flow is two way. It was always going to be a case of individual businesses doing what they assumed would be right for them.

    The big picture remains very good employment figures, near record job opportunities and a Brexit boosted improvement in the public sector finances. Inflation is also finally at the desired 2% level.
    What business has moved here because of Brexit?
    Also, in time, a fair proportion of the tens of thousands of lobbyists, now in Brussels, will move to London. The UK is 20% of EU GDP; when the UK is making 95% of its own laws, rather than 50%, these lobbyists will need to attend, much more closely, to the large British market.

    This is what Brexit means. Power flows back to the UK. London becomes MORE important, politically (likewise Edinburgh, Cardiff, Belfast), even as we lose influence over Brussels.

    Where power resides, business clusters.

    Keep praying Sean
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,993
    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    Alistair said:
    Think you and the tweeter need to read section 4.5 of the Great Repeal Bill.

    Bad news for the Scottish Nationalists is that they will have even more powers to waste.
    Will it be enshrined in a nice photoshopped vow? Or even better, real vellum!
    I realist that the cult of Nicla will be a bit scared of being forced to use powers for subjects other than calling for referendums but it's in the bill - wonder if the SNP will vote for or against more powers ??
    If we only we knew what those magnificent, new superpowers are. Perhaps you could give us some hints?

    Anyway, what do you care, you're a migrant. What's the Great Repeal Bill doing for YOUR region?
    Agriculture and fisheries for a start.

    We are getting a new Mayor - lets hope he/she doesn't spend the next 4 years blaming Westminster and gets on with things.
    Will never happen, they will sell them to EU or keep them at Westminster
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    It may have been commented on before but the letter from a Polish MP to Junckers is a classic and well worth a read

    It is available on Guido
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    JonathanDJonathanD Posts: 2,400

    JonathanD said:

    TGOHF said:

    Cheap booze and fags for all during travel - huzzah for Brexit

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/30/return-booze-cruise-ferry-chiefs-plan-slash-wine-beer-prices/

    "Brexit will see the return of the "booze cruise" as ferry-passengers will enjoy duty free wine and cigarettes for first time in nearly 20 years.

    The British Chamber of Shipping, which represents cross-Channel ferry operators, said that duty free will be "automatically" introduced on cross-channel ferries after Britain leaves the customs union"

    Current situation: ferry to France, buy wine at the hypermarche with 2p a bottle duty, bring as much as you like back and no trouble at Customs. Mega savings if you have the boot space.

    Post-Brexit: ferry to France, buy bottles of wine on ferry back saving 2p a bottle duty. At UK customs find out the personal limit for wine is 4l, so have to pay UK duty on the rest. Total saving about 10p over buying your wine in the UK.


    The EU customs union and the end of the booze cruise was bad for the ferry operators but good for the consumer.
    The last time I was in a French supermarket, which admittedly was a couple of years back, the price of reasonable wine was much the same, if not a little more, than in my local off-licence. French fags are just as expensive as English ones and the same went for most of the other stuff that used to be much cheaper (e.g. washing powder). The booze cruise ended, I think, because French prices rose to match our own.

    That said one of my chums still sends his wife over twice a year to drive up into Belgium to buy his cigars. She buys him £1,000 worth at a time and he reckons even including the petrol, a ferry, and her overnight stop he is well up compared to buying the same items in the UK.
    They'll need to stock up while they can. 50 cigars is the tax free personal limit.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,012

    Mortimer said:
    Don't underestimate the impact of the wave of public goodwill towards Scotland from across the EU. Europe will roll out the red carpet for a state reborn.
    Firstly Sturgeon had not committed to backing Scottish EU membership because key nationists like former SNP leader Jim Dollars oppose it, secondly as soon as an independent Scotland were admitted Catalonian, Basque, northern Italian, Flemish and even Bavarian nationalists would be demanding the same
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,993

    Fck me, not making it up as they go along at all.

    You mean like the SNP EU policy?
    Look a squirrel, does nothing embarrass you
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    HYUFD said:

    Mortimer said:
    Don't underestimate the impact of the wave of public goodwill towards Scotland from across the EU. Europe will roll out the red carpet for a state reborn.
    Firstly Sturgeon had not committed to backing Scottish EU membership because key nationists like former SNP leader Jim Dollars oppose it, secondly as soon as an independent Scotland were admitted Catalonian, Basque, northern Italian, Flemish and even Bavarian nationalists would be demanding the same
    The real question is where will Scots opinion be in 2020 and more likely the 2021 elections as TM will not concede Schedule 30 before. I believe and I think DavidL agrees with me that the 2021 election result will confirm or not a de facto referendum
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,993
    Mortimer said:
    looks good to me
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,993

    Mortimer said:
    Don't underestimate the impact of the wave of public goodwill towards Scotland from across the EU. Europe will roll out the red carpet for a state reborn.
    yes, Greece shows that so well

    They don't have oil though Alan
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    Mortimer said:
    Don't underestimate the impact of the wave of public goodwill towards Scotland from across the EU. Europe will roll out the red carpet for a state reborn.
    Self praise is no praise William. The proclivity to blow smoke up one's own posterior is trait which has coincided with Nationalism in Scotland and isn't a great look.

    "We are kinder, more tolerant, more loved around the world than yeez" - boak ! And frankly untrue.


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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,993
    HYUFD said:

    Mortimer said:
    Don't underestimate the impact of the wave of public goodwill towards Scotland from across the EU. Europe will roll out the red carpet for a state reborn.
    Firstly Sturgeon had not committed to backing Scottish EU membership because key nationists like former SNP leader Jim Dollars oppose it, secondly as soon as an independent Scotland were admitted Catalonian, Basque, northern Italian, Flemish and even Bavarian nationalists would be demanding the same
    LOL, you are evenmaking up imaginary people now and the one you meant is not and has not been for at least 20 years a "key Nationalist". You are deluded.
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