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  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,355

    ' At the very moment George Osborne was telling the bemused staff of the London Evening Standard last week that his working life in politics had obscured a passionate desire to become a newspaper editor, a familiar figure could be seen in the fresh meat department of the Whole Foods supermarket almost directly underneath the paper’s Kensington newsroom. '

    The Whole Foods supermarket in Kensington ???

    And there we were thinking that Cameron preferred Morrisons:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/02/04/david-cameron-visits-morrisons-_n_1254186.html

    Surely our old friend tim wasn't right in suggesting Cameron's purchase of Sea Bass from Morrisons was all a bit fake ???

    We'll be hearing next that Cameron isn't a Guinness drinker.
    Asking for a friend, perhaps you can tell us where the Whole Foods Market store in Plymstock is?
    Curious that - a bloke who lives in London but who was in Plymouth on business for the day goes into a supermarket in Plymouth to buy sea bass before heading home.

    There's lots of business travellers among PBers, I wonder how many buy fresh fish 200 miles from where they live.
    I regularly buy fish/food and take it 50 odd miles, even in the era of 24/7 supermarkets the deli/fish counters close circa 7pm.
    I have to agree with you on that one, I often buy food where I happen to be and take it home with me.

  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited March 2017
    Y0kel said:



    Adrian Ajao was not a lone wolf despite police statements. I said it the other night, others were aware of this attack coming, others encouraged. If he was alone, why arrest others (yet another today) and why are his comms considered significant?

    Are the others Christians from Kent?
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,925

    ' At the very moment George Osborne was telling the bemused staff of the London Evening Standard last week that his working life in politics had obscured a passionate desire to become a newspaper editor, a familiar figure could be seen in the fresh meat department of the Whole Foods supermarket almost directly underneath the paper’s Kensington newsroom. '

    The Whole Foods supermarket in Kensington ???

    And there we were thinking that Cameron preferred Morrisons:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/02/04/david-cameron-visits-morrisons-_n_1254186.html

    Surely our old friend tim wasn't right in suggesting Cameron's purchase of Sea Bass from Morrisons was all a bit fake ???

    We'll be hearing next that Cameron isn't a Guinness drinker.
    As real as the pint of Guinness Dave drinks every night while watching EastEnders....and of course now he isn't busy with being PM you will find him at every home game of West Villa United...
    The thing is nobody would have given a toss about which team Cameron supported or what he preferred to drink or where he went shopping.

    So why he felt the need to pretend to be something he wasn't I don't know.

    People will respect someone who is genuine but why would they trust someone politically if they can't be honest about meaningless lifestyle choices on which football team they support or what they like to drink.
    Nothing new in that. Harold Wilson preferred cigars to pipe, but was careful not to be seen smoking them. Maggie had her teeth snd voice fixed. Artificehas always been part of politics.
    Certainly, but Cameron's artifices seem pointless.

    He clearly drinks bitter so why pretend to drink Guinness ?

    He'll support a football team so why pretend to support someone else ?

    He'll go shopping somewhere so why the photostunt in Plymouth Morrisons ?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,552
    edited March 2017
    Y0kel said:


    As regards the rows over encryption between teh government and certain service providers, its a bit of a hoohaa, I don't know about Whatsapp but certain, apparently secure, messaging systems have already been compromised.

    Numerous public reports over the past couple of years from researchers finding various ways to read WhatsApp messages, so think what the spooks can do.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    Morrisons is a complete mystery to me. What segment of the market do they serve? They ain't cheap, they ain't fancy, they don't have the range of choice of your average Tescos megastore, and they don't open 24hrs.

    They always seem to me over priced down market with limited selection and limited opening hours...If somebody came along and said in their business plan that was your target demographic, it doesn't sound like a winner.

    Morrisons fresh food is meant to be better than standard supermarket equivalent.

    But I expect that like with all supermarkets a lot of their customers use it because its the most convenient for them.
    Morrisons have their own abattoirs and meat processing plants. I don't think the others do.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,355

    Floater said:

    Floater said:

    The chiffchaffs are singing and the clocks have changed but Alastair Meets is still droning about Brexit.

    He hates how right wing / anti immigrant this country appears to be.

    So - obviously he spends his free time in Hungary.

    LOL
    Would rather be a BME person in Britain than in Meeks' Hungary.
    Exactly Sunil
    Hungary has a very comprehensive rail network. You are missing out.
    I have booked 10 days in Budapest in June, I must remember to ask Mr Meeks to suggest some day trips out of town.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,925

    Can't they redeploy some of the SPADs into useful work ?

    If Dave was on PB tonight, he'd tell you that at 10pm on Sundays in Downing Street, he could get GCHQ to listen to Donald Trump's phone calls but he couldn't get a pizza made.
    That suggests that Downing Street is another of our government institutions which is no longer 'fit for purpose'.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    Can't they redeploy some of the SPADs into useful work ?

    If Dave was on PB tonight, he'd tell you that at 10pm on Sundays in Downing Street, he could get GCHQ to listen to Donald Trump's phone calls but he couldn't get a pizza made.
    I hope Trump is not reading this. That will be "proof".
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,552
    edited March 2017
    surbiton said:

    Morrisons is a complete mystery to me. What segment of the market do they serve? They ain't cheap, they ain't fancy, they don't have the range of choice of your average Tescos megastore, and they don't open 24hrs.

    They always seem to me over priced down market with limited selection and limited opening hours...If somebody came along and said in their business plan that was your target demographic, it doesn't sound like a winner.

    Morrisons fresh food is meant to be better than standard supermarket equivalent.

    But I expect that like with all supermarkets a lot of their customers use it because its the most convenient for them.
    Morrisons have their own abattoirs and meat processing plants. I don't think the others do.
    That was another giant f##k up. During horse meat scandal it was revealed that because Tescos et al don't have own processing plants they were totally exposed to horse meat being in their supply chain and not being able to know if and where it might have entered.

    Morrisons were THE only supermarket that could check literally animal on farm -> store. Did they exploit this, take out massive advertising saying this, don't be silly.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    There is a reason why this rag is sold for 10p.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,355

    surbiton said:

    Morrisons is a complete mystery to me. What segment of the market do they serve? They ain't cheap, they ain't fancy, they don't have the range of choice of your average Tescos megastore, and they don't open 24hrs.

    They always seem to me over priced down market with limited selection and limited opening hours...If somebody came along and said in their business plan that was your target demographic, it doesn't sound like a winner.

    Morrisons fresh food is meant to be better than standard supermarket equivalent.

    But I expect that like with all supermarkets a lot of their customers use it because its the most convenient for them.
    Morrisons have their own abattoirs and meat processing plants. I don't think the others do.
    That was another giant f##k up. During horse meat scandal it was revealed that because Tescos et al don't have own processing plants they were totally exposed to horse meat being in their supply chain and not being able to know if and where it might have entered.

    Morrisons were THE only supermarket that could check literally animal on farm -> store. Did they exploit this, take out massive advertising saying this, don't be silly.
    At the time I was in Iceland (the country not the shop). I bought some horsemeat in the market to bring home. I was told it was guaranteed free of beef :-)
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    Floater said:

    Floater said:

    The chiffchaffs are singing and the clocks have changed but Alastair Meets is still droning about Brexit.

    He hates how right wing / anti immigrant this country appears to be.

    So - obviously he spends his free time in Hungary.

    LOL
    Would rather be a BME person in Britain than in Meeks' Hungary.
    Exactly Sunil
    Hungary has a very comprehensive rail network. You are missing out.
    I have booked 10 days in Budapest in June, I must remember to ask Mr Meeks to suggest some day trips out of town.
    There is a lake nearby where all the Germans go.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,552

    surbiton said:

    Morrisons is a complete mystery to me. What segment of the market do they serve? They ain't cheap, they ain't fancy, they don't have the range of choice of your average Tescos megastore, and they don't open 24hrs.

    They always seem to me over priced down market with limited selection and limited opening hours...If somebody came along and said in their business plan that was your target demographic, it doesn't sound like a winner.

    Morrisons fresh food is meant to be better than standard supermarket equivalent.

    But I expect that like with all supermarkets a lot of their customers use it because its the most convenient for them.
    Morrisons have their own abattoirs and meat processing plants. I don't think the others do.
    That was another giant f##k up. During horse meat scandal it was revealed that because Tescos et al don't have own processing plants they were totally exposed to horse meat being in their supply chain and not being able to know if and where it might have entered.

    Morrisons were THE only supermarket that could check literally animal on farm -> store. Did they exploit this, take out massive advertising saying this, don't be silly.
    At the time I was in Iceland (the country not the shop). I bought some horsemeat in the market to bring home. I was told it was guaranteed free of beef :-)
    I have eaten horse. Thoroughly enjoyed it.
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    edited March 2017
    surbiton said:

    There is a reason why this rag is sold for 10p.
    lol

    It's the 10p newspaper which actually costs 55p.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,374
    edited March 2017

    Can't they redeploy some of the SPADs into useful work ?

    If Dave was on PB tonight, he'd tell you that at 10pm on Sundays in Downing Street, he could get GCHQ to listen to Donald Trump's phone calls but he couldn't get a pizza made.
    That suggests that Downing Street is another of our government institutions which is no longer 'fit for purpose'.
    I don't think it is ideal for family life, I've been to both the House of Commons and Parliament in recent years.

    Every fucking time, I saw at least one mouse.

    I go all ponceyboot gaylord at the sight of a mouse.

    One of the advantages of Downing Street, is that it is pretty secure in times of emergencies/terrorist attacks.

    I wasn't surprised that last Wednesday Mrs May was rushed from Parliament to Downing Street.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,552
    edited March 2017
    These days, is it even worth charging 10p? Why not just go free?

    The vast bulk of their income must be coming from advertising already.
  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    surbiton said:

    If anyone thinks the EU will not do anything to clear the path for the breakup of the UK they are in for a rude awakening once May delivers her poison pen letter on Wednesday.

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15182289.Scotland__could_remain_in_EU_after_Brexit_/

    SCOTLAND and Northern Ireland could both remain in the EU pending an independence referendum, according to papers published by a European Parliament committee.

    "The European Parliament committee-commissioned report pointed out that Jersey, Guernsey and the Isle of Man had separate arrangements with the EU. The territories, which are British dependencies, are not in the EU, but have access to the Customs Union.

    However, the research commissioned by the committee suggested this meant there was scope for Scotland and Northern Ireland to remain in the EU ahead of an independence referendum in the two countries. "
    Jersey and Guernsey are not in the Customs Union.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Pong said:

    surbiton said:

    There is a reason why this rag is sold for 10p.
    lol
    It is of course actually sold for 55p, which is

    10p

    cheaper than the Daily Mail.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,355
    surbiton said:

    Floater said:

    Floater said:

    The chiffchaffs are singing and the clocks have changed but Alastair Meets is still droning about Brexit.

    He hates how right wing / anti immigrant this country appears to be.

    So - obviously he spends his free time in Hungary.

    LOL
    Would rather be a BME person in Britain than in Meeks' Hungary.
    Exactly Sunil
    Hungary has a very comprehensive rail network. You are missing out.
    I have booked 10 days in Budapest in June, I must remember to ask Mr Meeks to suggest some day trips out of town.
    There is a lake nearby where all the Germans go.
    Balaton. So do the Magyars. It sounds a bit like Southend on Sea. I am not going there. Tokay is more likely, but it's a bit of a trek. Plenty of other places... Eger, Esztergom... and hopefully Budapest has that laid-back Austro-Hungarian vibe and ruin bars selling nice craft beer. And cute women.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,552
    edited March 2017

    Pong said:

    surbiton said:

    There is a reason why this rag is sold for 10p.
    lol
    It is of course actually sold for 55p, which is

    10p

    cheaper than the Daily Mail.
    On one hand that makes more sense, on the other...people pay 55p for that !!!!
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,291

    Y0kel said:


    As regards the rows over encryption between teh government and certain service providers, its a bit of a hoohaa, I don't know about Whatsapp but certain, apparently secure, messaging systems have already been compromised.

    Numerous public reports over the past couple of years from researchers finding various ways to read WhatsApp messages, so think what the spooks can do.
    I suspect the authorities already have the details and the media positioning is just to maintain the fiction that such communications are supposedly secure.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    surbiton said:

    Floater said:

    Floater said:

    The chiffchaffs are singing and the clocks have changed but Alastair Meets is still droning about Brexit.

    He hates how right wing / anti immigrant this country appears to be.

    So - obviously he spends his free time in Hungary.

    LOL
    Would rather be a BME person in Britain than in Meeks' Hungary.
    Exactly Sunil
    Hungary has a very comprehensive rail network. You are missing out.
    I have booked 10 days in Budapest in June, I must remember to ask Mr Meeks to suggest some day trips out of town.
    There is a lake nearby where all the Germans go.
    Balaton. So do the Magyars. It sounds a bit like Southend on Sea. I am not going there. Tokay is more likely, but it's a bit of a trek. Plenty of other places... Eger, Esztergom... and hopefully Budapest has that laid-back Austro-Hungarian vibe and ruin bars selling nice craft beer. And cute women.
    Budapest is truly great.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    Pong said:

    surbiton said:

    There is a reason why this rag is sold for 10p.
    lol
    It is of course actually sold for 55p, which is

    10p

    cheaper than the Daily Mail.
    That is worthy of being a Viz Parody!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,552
    edited March 2017
    IanB2 said:

    Y0kel said:


    As regards the rows over encryption between teh government and certain service providers, its a bit of a hoohaa, I don't know about Whatsapp but certain, apparently secure, messaging systems have already been compromised.

    Numerous public reports over the past couple of years from researchers finding various ways to read WhatsApp messages, so think what the spooks can do.
    I suspect the authorities already have the details and the media positioning is just to maintain the fiction that such communications are supposedly secure.
    I would say it is nailed on. WhatsApp has been about for a long time and is wildly popular. The chances that the spooks haven't thrown time and effort into cracking it is virtually zero.

    I always think these calls for backdoors into popular apps is about making it trivial for spy agencies to do their job rather than having to do a huge amount of heavy lifting.

    e.g. If I remember correctly, Snowdon revealed that NSA had cracked at least one major VPN protocol, but it was time consuming and a pain in the ass i.e. you couldn't do it on mass.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    This will be my 9999th post. You will have to wait for the next one, I'm afraid !
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    Lets not knock the Daily Mail. It was giving away a Panama Hat to any reader that collected the usual tokens a week or two ago.

    I'll say this, certainly made me stand out in the middle of SportsDirect in Belfast.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    surbiton said:

    This will be my 9999th post. You will have to wait for the next one, I'm afraid !

    Oops ! That was my 10,000th post. I knew it, the meter is not working.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,291
    surbiton said:

    surbiton said:

    Floater said:

    Floater said:

    The chiffchaffs are singing and the clocks have changed but Alastair Meets is still droning about Brexit.

    He hates how right wing / anti immigrant this country appears to be.

    So - obviously he spends his free time in Hungary.

    LOL
    Would rather be a BME person in Britain than in Meeks' Hungary.
    Exactly Sunil
    Hungary has a very comprehensive rail network. You are missing out.
    I have booked 10 days in Budapest in June, I must remember to ask Mr Meeks to suggest some day trips out of town.
    There is a lake nearby where all the Germans go.
    Balaton. So do the Magyars. It sounds a bit like Southend on Sea. I am not going there. Tokay is more likely, but it's a bit of a trek. Plenty of other places... Eger, Esztergom... and hopefully Budapest has that laid-back Austro-Hungarian vibe and ruin bars selling nice craft beer. And cute women.
    Budapest is truly great.
    There is a nice day trip you can do in the north of the city, taking the former pioneers railway from the suburbs up into the hills north of the city.

    Balaton is best given a miss IMHO; wall-to-wall Germans camping and cooking their sausages by the lakeside.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    surbiton said:

    surbiton said:

    Floater said:

    Floater said:

    The chiffchaffs are singing and the clocks have changed but Alastair Meets is still droning about Brexit.

    He hates how right wing / anti immigrant this country appears to be.

    So - obviously he spends his free time in Hungary.

    LOL
    Would rather be a BME person in Britain than in Meeks' Hungary.
    Exactly Sunil
    Hungary has a very comprehensive rail network. You are missing out.
    I have booked 10 days in Budapest in June, I must remember to ask Mr Meeks to suggest some day trips out of town.
    There is a lake nearby where all the Germans go.
    Balaton. So do the Magyars. It sounds a bit like Southend on Sea. I am not going there. Tokay is more likely, but it's a bit of a trek. Plenty of other places... Eger, Esztergom... and hopefully Budapest has that laid-back Austro-Hungarian vibe and ruin bars selling nice craft beer. And cute women.
    Budapest is truly great.
    It should be pretty hot in June, but the cold fruit soup is great in the heat.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981

    surbiton said:

    Morrisons is a complete mystery to me. What segment of the market do they serve? They ain't cheap, they ain't fancy, they don't have the range of choice of your average Tescos megastore, and they don't open 24hrs.

    They always seem to me over priced down market with limited selection and limited opening hours...If somebody came along and said in their business plan that was your target demographic, it doesn't sound like a winner.

    Morrisons fresh food is meant to be better than standard supermarket equivalent.

    But I expect that like with all supermarkets a lot of their customers use it because its the most convenient for them.
    Morrisons have their own abattoirs and meat processing plants. I don't think the others do.
    That was another giant f##k up. During horse meat scandal it was revealed that because Tescos et al don't have own processing plants they were totally exposed to horse meat being in their supply chain and not being able to know if and where it might have entered.

    Morrisons were THE only supermarket that could check literally animal on farm -> store. Did they exploit this, take out massive advertising saying this, don't be silly.
    At the time I was in Iceland (the country not the shop). I bought some horsemeat in the market to bring home. I was told it was guaranteed free of beef :-)
    I have eaten horse. Thoroughly enjoyed it.
    So has anyone who has enjoyed a cheap steak frites in France. And Dartmoor ponies are being made into sausages, since the only other use for them is feeding lions in zoos.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,689
    edited March 2017
    Y0kel said:

    Seriously Scotland, home ties shouldnt be that bad. Come to Belfast and we'll show you how it goes. I am still scratching my head how we are going so well.

    And..hands off our manager.

    Two other completely unrelated topics:

    Adrian Ajao was not a lone wolf despite police statements. I said it the other night, others were aware of this attack coming, others encouraged. If he was alone, why arrest others (yet another today) and why are his comms considered significant?

    As regards the rows over encryption between teh government and certain service providers, its a bit of a hoohaa, I don't know about Whatsapp but certain, apparently secure, messaging systems have already been compromised.

    The previous thread re: Trump. People are thinking too narrowly.

    1. Trump can be put into a position of near impotency, especially if his cohorts start falling like nine pins. Yes he is all in because this goes up in smoke and he is most likely ruined on every angle you can imagine so he will fight but you can pretty much chop his legs off in practice. and the COmmander in Chief idea in control of the US military idea as somehow changing anything is bullshit. What are they going to do, drive up Pennsylvania Ave with tanks? Won't happen.

    2. If you think there wouldnt be the vote to impeach him if what is suspected comes out as having enough evidence, you do not realise how serious the potential charges could be. He couldn't muster The House, where he really did have a firm grip over GOP reps on the new Healthcare bill. If it came to potential charges of co-operating with a foreign state to the detriment of the US political system, you may well find enough people to flip. Remember these guys have just demonstrated they have their own hides to protect.

    The Senate would flip tomorrow no doubt if such charges came forward.

    NI attempts at devolution: Sinn Fein may remember that its perfectly possible that they won't get the same election result twice. Gerry Adams has no interest in a compromise.



    If the House votes to impeach Trump expect the GOP to be slaughtered in the midterms and Turkeys don't vote for Christmas. As for NI even if SF does come first in a second poll (and it is just as possible the DUP could do better) it has zero effect as the DUP will not work with them either so that could mean a third election. The only way out I can see is a DUP SDLP Alliance deal at the last minute
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,355

    surbiton said:

    surbiton said:

    Floater said:

    Floater said:

    The chiffchaffs are singing and the clocks have changed but Alastair Meets is still droning about Brexit.

    He hates how right wing / anti immigrant this country appears to be.

    So - obviously he spends his free time in Hungary.

    LOL
    Would rather be a BME person in Britain than in Meeks' Hungary.
    Exactly Sunil
    Hungary has a very comprehensive rail network. You are missing out.
    I have booked 10 days in Budapest in June, I must remember to ask Mr Meeks to suggest some day trips out of town.
    There is a lake nearby where all the Germans go.
    Balaton. So do the Magyars. It sounds a bit like Southend on Sea. I am not going there. Tokay is more likely, but it's a bit of a trek. Plenty of other places... Eger, Esztergom... and hopefully Budapest has that laid-back Austro-Hungarian vibe and ruin bars selling nice craft beer. And cute women.
    Budapest is truly great.
    It should be pretty hot in June, but the cold fruit soup is great in the heat.
    I decided I would do a warm holiday for once (the last one was Sweden, Poland, Lithuania in October). The Weather Underground archive suggests high 20s, which I can cope with.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,291

    IanB2 said:

    Y0kel said:


    As regards the rows over encryption between teh government and certain service providers, its a bit of a hoohaa, I don't know about Whatsapp but certain, apparently secure, messaging systems have already been compromised.

    Numerous public reports over the past couple of years from researchers finding various ways to read WhatsApp messages, so think what the spooks can do.
    I suspect the authorities already have the details and the media positioning is just to maintain the fiction that such communications are supposedly secure.
    I would say it is nailed on. WhatsApp has been about for a long time and is wildly popular. The chances that the spooks haven't thrown time and effort into cracking it is virtually zero.

    I always think these calls for backdoors into popular apps is about making it trivial for spy agencies to do their job rather than having to do a huge amount of heavy lifting.

    e.g. If I remember correctly, Snowdon revealed that NSA had cracked at least one major VPN protocol, but it was time consuming and a pain in the ass i.e. you couldn't do it on mass.
    And today's new arrest could easily be whoever it was that received the guy's final message
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,147
    surbiton said:

    surbiton said:

    This will be my 9999th post. You will have to wait for the next one, I'm afraid !

    Oops ! That was my 10,000th post. I knew it, the meter is not working.
    Congrats on your dedication to PB. My advice... seek help :smiley::p
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,726
    surbiton said:

    Morrisons is a complete mystery to me. What segment of the market do they serve? They ain't cheap, they ain't fancy, they don't have the range of choice of your average Tescos megastore, and they don't open 24hrs.

    They always seem to me over priced down market with limited selection and limited opening hours...If somebody came along and said in their business plan that was your target demographic, it doesn't sound like a winner.

    Morrisons fresh food is meant to be better than standard supermarket equivalent.

    But I expect that like with all supermarkets a lot of their customers use it because its the most convenient for them.
    Morrisons have their own abattoirs and meat processing plants. I don't think the others do.
    Yep. It was the reason they were able to confirm so quickly that they were not affected by the horsemeat scandal few years ago.
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    RobD said:

    surbiton said:

    surbiton said:

    This will be my 9999th post. You will have to wait for the next one, I'm afraid !

    Oops ! That was my 10,000th post. I knew it, the meter is not working.
    Congrats on your dedication to PB. My advice... seek help :smiley::p
    Very sensible advice!

    RobD Posts: 22,232
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,830
    edited March 2017
    GeoffM said:

    RobD said:

    surbiton said:

    surbiton said:

    This will be my 9999th post. You will have to wait for the next one, I'm afraid !

    Oops ! That was my 10,000th post. I knew it, the meter is not working.
    Congrats on your dedication to PB. My advice... seek help :smiley::p
    Very sensible advice!

    RobD Posts: 22,232
    Crazy indeed.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,147
    GeoffM said:

    RobD said:

    surbiton said:

    surbiton said:

    This will be my 9999th post. You will have to wait for the next one, I'm afraid !

    Oops ! That was my 10,000th post. I knew it, the meter is not working.
    Congrats on your dedication to PB. My advice... seek help :smiley::p
    Very sensible advice!

    RobD Posts: 22,232
    Doesn't this :smiley: <--- scream "help me"? :p:D
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,147
    edited March 2017
    kle4 said:

    GeoffM said:

    RobD said:

    surbiton said:

    surbiton said:

    This will be my 9999th post. You will have to wait for the next one, I'm afraid !

    Oops ! That was my 10,000th post. I knew it, the meter is not working.
    Congrats on your dedication to PB. My advice... seek help :smiley::p
    Very sensible advice!

    RobD Posts: 22,232
    Crazy indeed.
    Gutted I missed 22,222 :(
  • glwglw Posts: 10,010
    edited March 2017

    I would say it is nailed on. WhatsApp has been about for a long time and is wildly popular. The chances that the spooks haven't thrown time and effort into cracking it is virtually zero.

    I always think these calls for backdoors into popular apps is about making it trivial for spy agencies to do their job rather than having to do a huge amount of heavy lifting.

    e.g. If I remember correctly, Snowdon revealed that NSA had cracked at least one major VPN protocol, but it was time consuming and a pain in the ass i.e. you couldn't do it on mass.

    WhatsApp has state-of-the-art cryptography, they didn't screw around inventing their own they used Whisper Systems Axolotl protocol, the same crypto used by Signal, Facebook Messenger, and Google's Allo. It's widely regarded as being exemplary.

    That's not the weak point anyway. The phone itself will have copies of sent and received messages, and once you have access to the phone you can see who was messaged, and as WhatsApp uses phone numbers for IDs it's dead easy to turn them into a identifiable target. So if you have the phone you almost certainly don't even need to consider breaking the crypto.

    You would think by now that terrorists would realise they need to destroy their computers and phones before carrying out an attack, but it seems that they aren't sending their best people.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,762
    surbiton said:

    There is a lake nearby where all the Germans go...

    ...talking of Michelangelo.

    And indeed there will be time
    To wonder, “Do I dare?” and, “Do I dare?”
    Time to turn back and descend the stair,
    With a bald spot in the middle of my hair—
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,552
    glw said:

    I would say it is nailed on. WhatsApp has been about for a long time and is wildly popular. The chances that the spooks haven't thrown time and effort into cracking it is virtually zero.

    I always think these calls for backdoors into popular apps is about making it trivial for spy agencies to do their job rather than having to do a huge amount of heavy lifting.

    e.g. If I remember correctly, Snowdon revealed that NSA had cracked at least one major VPN protocol, but it was time consuming and a pain in the ass i.e. you couldn't do it on mass.

    WhatsApp has state-of-the-art cryptography, they didn't screw around inventing their own they used Whisper Systems Axolotl protocol, the same crypto used by Signal, Facebook Messenger, and Google's Allo. It's widely regarded as being exemplary.

    That's not the weak point anyway. The phone itself will have copies of sent and received messages, and once you have access to the phone you can see who was messaged, and as WhatsApp uses phone numbers for IDs it's dead easy to turn them into a identifiable target. So if you have the phone you almost certainly don't even need to consider breaking the crypto.

    You would think by now that terrorists would realise they need to destroy their computers and phones before carrying out an attack, but it seems that they aren't sending their best people.
    Not to be pedantic....Whatapps didn't invent their own. Initially they were using an customized version of widely available tech, then more recently "partnered" with Signal in order to use their encryption tech.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    surbiton said:

    There is a reason why this rag is sold for 10p.
    Oops - read the add more carefully

  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    isam said:

    Y0kel said:



    Adrian Ajao was not a lone wolf despite police statements. I said it the other night, others were aware of this attack coming, others encouraged. If he was alone, why arrest others (yet another today) and why are his comms considered significant?

    Are the others Christians from Kent?
    Don't know about that - but they are probably all "mentally ill"
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    Floater said:

    Floater said:

    The chiffchaffs are singing and the clocks have changed but Alastair Meets is still droning about Brexit.

    He hates how right wing / anti immigrant this country appears to be.

    So - obviously he spends his free time in Hungary.

    LOL
    Would rather be a BME person in Britain than in Meeks' Hungary.
    Exactly Sunil
    Hungary has a very comprehensive rail network. You are missing out.
    I have "done" some of the Austrian rail network and Germany come to that - does that count :-)
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    Barnesian said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    matt said:

    Sean_F said:

    On topic.
    Meeks displays all his usual smugness & complacency.
    In what sense are The Libdems crushed ?
    In their membership, doubled over the last 5 Years ?
    In Local Elections where they look likely to make big gains in May & again next May ?
    In The Lords where they have a hundred Peers ?
    The one place where The Libdems are weak is The House of Commons which has just voted to make itself irrelevant by giving May carte blanche on Brexit.
    The near future is up for grabs.

    The Lib Dems have nine MP's, are at a low ebb in local government, and have little representation in the Scottish Parliament, or Welsh and London Assembly. I'm sure they will gain ground in coming years, but right now, they're very weak.
    If there a GE tomorrow, the question is where would the LDs be confident of making gains? Cambridge, Bath perhaps. Others? Open to advice. 9 is a low ebb but is there an inrushing tide?
    If there was a General Election tomorrow, I would expect the LDs to lose Richmond-Upon-Thames, gain Cambridge from Labour, gain Edinburgh West and Perth NE from the SNP, and maybe grab a couple of uber-Remain seats in SW London from the Tories (Twickenham would be the most likely).

    I'm sticking with my 12-14 seats (on 12-14% vote share) forecast.
    If you're expecting the Conservatives to regain Richmond then that only leaves Twickenham as an uber-Remain target for the LibDems as Kingston would have been less than 60% Remain and Sutton probably Leave. Not to mention LibDem held Carshalton certainly being Leave.

    For potential LibDem gains it might be worth noting constituencies where the MP has proved 'controversial'. Bath might fall into this category.

    But even so 12-14 seats on 12-14% vote share would sill be the LibDems second worse performance since 1970 - they really should be able to do better than that in the current circumstances.
    Kingston was 62% Remain, so that's a good shout for them, I would have thought.
    With 14% of the vote, Baxter has the LibDems on 13 seats with three gains from Labour in Burnley, Cambridge and Bermondsey, and two from the Tories in Lewes and Eastbourne. This doesn't take into account the Leave/Remain vote. This should also give the LibDems Twickenham and Kingston.
    I doubt that in reality the LibDems would win any of those seats from Labour.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,587

    Morrisons is a complete mystery to me. What segment of the market do they serve? They ain't cheap, they ain't fancy, they don't have the range of choice of your average Tescos megastore, and they don't open 24hrs.

    They always seem to me over priced down market with limited selection and limited opening hours...If somebody came along and said in their business plan that was your target demographic, it doesn't sound like a winner.

    Morrisons fresh food is meant to be better than standard supermarket equivalent.

    But I expect that like with all supermarkets a lot of their customers use it because its the most convenient for them.
    Morrisons is my nearest supermarket though there's a Tesco nearby too. I eat a lot of ready meals, and Morrisons is about 30% cheaper than Tesco or Sainsbury for curries etc. (typically £2.20 insteads of £3) for the same quality and range (unlike e.g. Lidl). Tesco has a slightly better range of fish and meat, but Morrisons is at least as good at fruit and veg.

    But, as you say, most people just go for the closest one, and it's generally much of a muchness.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,587
    Y0kel said:



    Adrian Ajao was not a lone wolf despite police statements. I said it the other night, others were aware of this attack coming, others encouraged. If he was alone, why arrest others (yet another today) and why are his comms considered significant?



    I'm sure you know more than I do, but 9 of the 12 people arrested have been released without charrge so far. It would be surprising if he didn't have any sympathetic mates whom the police want to talk to, but unless they were party to the attack plan then they'll get released again. Best to wait and see, I guess.
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    edited March 2017
    glw said:

    I would say it is nailed on. WhatsApp has been about for a long time and is wildly popular. The chances that the spooks haven't thrown time and effort into cracking it is virtually zero.

    I always think these calls for backdoors into popular apps is about making it trivial for spy agencies to do their job rather than having to do a huge amount of heavy lifting.

    e.g. If I remember correctly, Snowdon revealed that NSA had cracked at least one major VPN protocol, but it was time consuming and a pain in the ass i.e. you couldn't do it on mass.

    WhatsApp has state-of-the-art cryptography, they didn't screw around inventing their own they used Whisper Systems Axolotl protocol, the same crypto used by Signal, Facebook Messenger, and Google's Allo. It's widely regarded as being exemplary.

    That's not the weak point anyway. The phone itself will have copies of sent and received messages, and once you have access to the phone you can see who was messaged, and as WhatsApp uses phone numbers for IDs it's dead easy to turn them into a identifiable target. So if you have the phone you almost certainly don't even need to consider breaking the crypto.

    You would think by now that terrorists would realise they need to destroy their computers and phones before carrying out an attack, but it seems that they aren't sending their best people.
    Which is exactly why if you can hack the brains and drives of devices you dont have to try to intercept during transmission. The only shortfall is that the former methods are highly dependent on knowing what and whos devices to hack. Transmission hacking allows you to grab stuff like a whale feeding on krill and filter thus filling the critical activity of finding stuff you dont know anything about.

    Some of the best long term Western Intelligence electronic intelligence gathering efforts have been the former but some of the most critical in anti-terror activities has been the latter.


    Trumpton:

    Pasty faced Russian front (get that Guardianistas, you guiilable fools) Julian Assange is suggesting a coup against Trump..by people planning on Pence being in charge. Unclear whether the allegation is that Pence is in on the deal.

    Lot of worried people amongst Team Trump. Watch who you visit Mr Farage.


  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,552
    edited March 2017

    Y0kel said:



    Adrian Ajao was not a lone wolf despite police statements. I said it the other night, others were aware of this attack coming, others encouraged. If he was alone, why arrest others (yet another today) and why are his comms considered significant?



    I'm sure you know more than I do, but 9 of the 12 people arrested have been released without charrge so far. It would be surprising if he didn't have any sympathetic mates whom the police want to talk to, but unless they were party to the attack plan then they'll get released again. Best to wait and see, I guess.
    I think most of those questioned so far have been loose associates / family, however the latest has been arrested under a more specific charge.
    The Met Police said the 30-year-old was being held on suspicion of preparing terrorist acts.
    i.e. he has been arrested for doing some terrorism rather than just cheer-leading via liking some Facebook pages.

    Obviously if guilty is totally different matter.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 52,106

    Y0kel said:



    Adrian Ajao was not a lone wolf despite police statements. I said it the other night, others were aware of this attack coming, others encouraged. If he was alone, why arrest others (yet another today) and why are his comms considered significant?



    I'm sure you know more than I do, but 9 of the 12 people arrested have been released without charrge so far. It would be surprising if he didn't have any sympathetic mates whom the police want to talk to, but unless they were party to the attack plan then they'll get released again. Best to wait and see, I guess.
    It's a common feature of these things - the Boston bombers, for example. Family and friends knew in advance - several of them convicted of various offences, IIRC
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,241
    Can someone explain what's the difference between 'Labour's Six Tests' and 'Staying in the EU'?

    http://news.sky.com/story/brexit-deal-must-pass-six-tests-says-labours-sir-keir-starmer-10815352
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307

    Y0kel said:



    Adrian Ajao was not a lone wolf despite police statements. I said it the other night, others were aware of this attack coming, others encouraged. If he was alone, why arrest others (yet another today) and why are his comms considered significant?



    I'm sure you know more than I do, but 9 of the 12 people arrested have been released without charrge so far. It would be surprising if he didn't have any sympathetic mates whom the police want to talk to, but unless they were party to the attack plan then they'll get released again. Best to wait and see, I guess.
    All very fair but not really what my point was.

    The lone wolf tag, the we may never know their motivation, is a comfort blanket by the cops, one guy who we don't quite know what was going on in his head. Its a lot better sounding than saying he conspired with others, or was encouraged by others or even coached by others

    Arrests after an incident with fast release are standard but being aware of links, associates & enablers and meeting the bar of evidence of a crime or criminal intent are massively far apart. It doesn't mean others didn't play a role.

    The lone wolf tag is often used yet the facts don't bear it out. Of 42 Islamist plots in Europe between 2014 and 2016, near three-quarters involved plotters directed by ISIS operatives they either met face to face or communicated with online. Only six plots were lone wolves inspired by brand ISIS but with no noted connection to others. Find out how many of those supposed lone wolves were using Whatsapp in the immediate period before they launched their attacks.

    Terror is usually supported by a logistical tail. For every one doing the Death Run for Allah, there are usually 2-3 immediate enablers. These people by default are a threat and make a lie of the lone wolf idea.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,241
    Meanwhile, Joyous & Civic:

    Salmond’s economist turns on Sturgeon
    The former Royal Bank of Scotland boss who played a key role in the last Scottish independence referendum campaign has broken ranks with Nicola Sturgeon, warning that a separate Scotland should not join the European Union.

    In a blow for the first minister, who is seeking a second referendum after Scotland voted against Brexit, Sir George Mathewson said he had some sympathy with former SNP deputy leader Jim Sillars, who will refuse to back independence if it means rejoining the EU.


    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/salmonds-economist-turns-on-sturgeon-j0tvf68cd
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,241
    Joyous & Civic 2:

    Magician McAlpine makes facts disappear
    John Maynard Keynes famously opined: “When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?” Well, if you’re Joan McAlpine, and a large number of her SNP colleagues, you simply deny the facts.

    Having cheered the Government Expenditure and Revenue Scotland (Gers) figures in 2013 as the definitive account of Scotland’s finances, the SNP has now taken to booing them.


    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/magician-mcalpine-makes-facts-disappear-2wjprs8jt
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