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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    Nicola Sturgeon's proposed timing for IndyRef2 is ridiculous. Obviously you can't hold it in the middle of the Brexit negotiations.

    Equally, though, it's troublesome holding it after the Brexit negotiations, because how can we agree terms with our EU friends if we don't know what country we'll be?

    The solution? Hold IndyRef2 immediately. If our Scottish brethren decide to remain in the Union, we can get on with Brexit together with them. If they decide to flounce out, we can get on with Brexit without them, and they can make their own deal with the EU27 ready for Great Separation Day.
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,220
    Sandpit said:

    I certainly hope so. Besides, two wrongs don't make a right - she was right to resign.
    Yep. If you want to be a bank regulator, you have to be above reproach. You've got to be squeaky clean and look squeaky clean. If you want to be the person investigating people for minor breaches of onerous rules, you'd better make sure that every I is dotted and every T is crossed in your own position.
    What a stupid stupid thing for Osborne to say! She wasn't made to resign because she was a woman but because she was a regulator who failed to declare a bloody great obvious potential conflict of interest.

    Conflicts of interest: recognizing them, knowing how to manage them are the absolute essence of banking and regulation. This is ABC stuff.

    Still, I'm not surprised. The BoE was criticized for its failings in the FX matter. Ethics does not seem to have been its strongest suit in recent years.

    5 behaviours crop up with tedious regularity:

    - Greed
    - Stupidity
    - Complacency
    - Hubris
    - Cowardice.

    It's Cyclefree's City Bingo. See how many of these behaviours you can spot in each scandal.



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    Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905

    I expect the idea is that the British will hear nothing but the sound of a ticking clock for three months, and if they phone up M. Barnier, they will get put through to an answerphone that plays "Time Is On My Side".

    Whatever.
    SeanT said:

    Salmond is on Bloomberg TV now saying Scotland will join the EEA, at first.

    Another layer of complexity.

    Whatever (continued.)
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,845
    edited March 2017

    GIN1138 said:

    Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.....

    Watching Pointless and "Sunil" from Nottingham is on!

    Wonder if that could be *THE* Sunil? :mopen_mouth:

    Beware cheap imitations....
    The "Pointless Sunil" is on with a Blogger called Katy, he works in Optics and likes to watch a film a day (and has made a list of films to watch every day since the age of 9) ;)
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,783
    SeanT said:

    Salmond is on Bloomberg TV now saying Scotland will join the EEA, at first.

    Salmond's been calling all the shots, hasn't he?
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,942
    nunu said:

    Joe Kennedy.....yes of that family. Their family have good genes.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t2NIuMzaDOs

    I think he may well be the next Democrat president, purely on bloodlines.
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    SeanT said:

    Salmond is on Bloomberg TV now saying Scotland will join the EEA, at first.

    Another layer of complexity.

    Whose running the show at the mo, – the ex SNP leader/FM, or Nicola Sturgeon?
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,919

    It's interesting to note that when Ireland voted on the EU constitution / Lisbon Treaty, the turnout increased appreciably from the first to the second vote, with a little over a year between them.

    Likewise, turnout increased in the two Danish Maastrict referendums over twenty years ago.

    I'd have expected a decrease between first and second. Might we see an increased turnout in Scotland for a second referendum, despite an around 85% turnout in 2014?

    It can't increase much from 85%!

    There will be people who have moved, are travelling, in hospital, prison or have died, as well as students registered twice. These are all counted against the turnout, even though they can't vote on the day. That 85% was probably about 95-98% in practice.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,783
    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_P said:
    Why would this be a problem for the UK? I'd imagine the government would welcome an extra couple of months to get themselves ready?
    And a couple of months less to agree a deal....
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,994
    Mr. Eagles, a few days ago I did sketch a 9 point plan whereby the UK (ex-Scotland) could end up remaining and an independent Scotland not be allowed in. It was mostly silly, but some parts could come true.
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    Cyclefree said:

    Sandpit said:

    I certainly hope so. Besides, two wrongs don't make a right - she was right to resign.
    Yep. If you want to be a bank regulator, you have to be above reproach. You've got to be squeaky clean and look squeaky clean. If you want to be the person investigating people for minor breaches of onerous rules, you'd better make sure that every I is dotted and every T is crossed in your own position.
    What a stupid stupid thing for Osborne to say! She wasn't made to resign because she was a woman but because she was a regulator who failed to declare a bloody great obvious potential conflict of interest.

    Conflicts of interest: recognizing them, knowing how to manage them are the absolute essence of banking and regulation. This is ABC stuff.

    Still, I'm not surprised. The BoE was criticized for its failings in the FX matter. Ethics does not seem to have been its strongest suit in recent years.

    5 behaviours crop up with tedious regularity:

    - Greed
    - Stupidity
    - Complacency
    - Hubris
    - Cowardice.

    It's Cyclefree's City Bingo. See how many of these behaviours you can spot in each scandal.

    Add sex to that list, or rather the desire to get laid.

    I think George has known Charlotte Hogg for years, back in the 90s George Osborne was Douglas Hogg's SPAD when Douglas Hogg was in John Major's cabinet.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,994
    Mr. Nabavi, an intriguing suggestion.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    SeanT said:

    nunu said:

    Judging by this thread, Scotland is leaving the union. English nationalism will drive it away. Working on the basis of what suits England at the expense of Scottish interests will make the SNP's point for it.

    Yep, for once you make sense.
    Except, here's a very different voice from the YES side. I bet a lot of the less shrieking Nats are feeling like this. They're exhausted. They don't want another vote. They are reluctant to campaign.

    How many will actually turn out, this time?

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/14/scottish-independence-referendum-snp-vote-brexit
    People didn't take down their Yes posters from last time. I pass a dozen on the way to work.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,054
    Sandpit said:

    It's interesting to note that when Ireland voted on the EU constitution / Lisbon Treaty, the turnout increased appreciably from the first to the second vote, with a little over a year between them.

    Likewise, turnout increased in the two Danish Maastrict referendums over twenty years ago.

    I'd have expected a decrease between first and second. Might we see an increased turnout in Scotland for a second referendum, despite an around 85% turnout in 2014?

    It can't increase much from 85%!

    There will be people who have moved, are travelling, in hospital, prison or have died, as well as students registered twice. These are all counted against the turnout, even though they can't vote on the day. That 85% was probably about 95-98% in practice.
    I thought that as well, based on the Irish referendums. However the Danish Maastrict vote turnouts increased fro 83.1 to 86.5, so there was obviously room for a squeeze of DNVs.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,054
    Alistair said:

    SeanT said:

    nunu said:

    Judging by this thread, Scotland is leaving the union. English nationalism will drive it away. Working on the basis of what suits England at the expense of Scottish interests will make the SNP's point for it.

    Yep, for once you make sense.
    Except, here's a very different voice from the YES side. I bet a lot of the less shrieking Nats are feeling like this. They're exhausted. They don't want another vote. They are reluctant to campaign.

    How many will actually turn out, this time?

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/14/scottish-independence-referendum-snp-vote-brexit
    People didn't take down their Yes posters from last time. I pass a dozen on the way to work.
    Virtue signalling. ;)
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,783
    TORY MP Craig Mackinlay was interviewed for six hours under caution last Friday over his election expenses, The Sun can reveal.

    The Thanet South MP is being probed for overspending in the bitter 2015 fight to keep Ukip’s Nigel Farage out of the Commons.


    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3089922/tory-mp-craig-mackinlay-interviewed-by-police-about-his-election-expenses-in-2015-fight-to-keep-nigel-farage-out-of-parliament/
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    sarissasarissa Posts: 1,796
    Sandpit said:

    Cyan said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Scotland is DEFINITELY heading into the Euro if it becomes independent, the Nats just need to be honest about this one.

    The euro convergence criteria include that they should treat their exchange rate policy "as a matter of common interest". If they keep the pound while they're waiting to join the euro, how can they actually have an exchange rate policy, given that they'll be using some other country's currency?

    They would also have "to pursue price stability as the primary objective of monetary policy", which is a bit difficult if you haven't got a central bank and don't issue any currency.
    The only answer is for them to move to a McPoond, then to the Euro.

    But who's going to lend money against the McPoond to finance the public spending deficit, and what happens when almost the entire Scottish financial services sector moves to London or Dublin?
    Who is currently lending to Croatia or Hungary?
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    AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 2,869
    Sandpit said:

    It's interesting to note that when Ireland voted on the EU constitution / Lisbon Treaty, the turnout increased appreciably from the first to the second vote, with a little over a year between them.

    Likewise, turnout increased in the two Danish Maastrict referendums over twenty years ago.

    I'd have expected a decrease between first and second. Might we see an increased turnout in Scotland for a second referendum, despite an around 85% turnout in 2014?

    It can't increase much from 85%!

    There will be people who have moved, are travelling, in hospital, prison or have died, as well as students registered twice. These are all counted against the turnout, even though they can't vote on the day. That 85% was probably about 95-98% in practice.
    It will be interesting to see whether there's any great difference between the new batch of 16 - 17 year-olds' opinions and the last batch.
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820

    Add sex to that list, or rather the desire to get laid.

    I think George has known Charlotte Hogg for years, back in the 90s George Osborne was Douglas Hogg's SPAD when Douglas Hogg was in John Major's cabinet.

    Hang on... you might want to rethink that juxtaposition!
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
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    Add sex to that list, or rather the desire to get laid.

    I think George has known Charlotte Hogg for years, back in the 90s George Osborne was Douglas Hogg's SPAD when Douglas Hogg was in John Major's cabinet.

    Hang on... you might want to rethink that juxtaposition!
    Yeah, I had a bombshell just dropped on me as I wrote that.
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 30,969

    Golly, all the pro Brexit referendum, anti Indy referendum, pro Indy project fear, anti Brexit project fear, pro UK taking back control, anti Scotland taking back control, pro Brexit uncertainty, anti Indy uncertainty crew are in a right, old stew.

    Top work lads, take a second Michelin star!

    A little unfair on those of us who are Pro Brexit, Pro Sindy.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,130
    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.....

    Watching Pointless and "Sunil" from Nottingham is on!

    Wonder if that could be *THE* Sunil? :mopen_mouth:

    Beware cheap imitations....
    The "Pointless Sunil" is on with a Blogger called Katy, he works in Optics and likes to watch a film a day (and has made a list of films to watch every day since the age of 9) ;)
    There was a clue there: he didn't mention "trains" in the first four words....
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,919

    Sandpit said:

    It's interesting to note that when Ireland voted on the EU constitution / Lisbon Treaty, the turnout increased appreciably from the first to the second vote, with a little over a year between them.

    Likewise, turnout increased in the two Danish Maastrict referendums over twenty years ago.

    I'd have expected a decrease between first and second. Might we see an increased turnout in Scotland for a second referendum, despite an around 85% turnout in 2014?

    It can't increase much from 85%!

    There will be people who have moved, are travelling, in hospital, prison or have died, as well as students registered twice. These are all counted against the turnout, even though they can't vote on the day. That 85% was probably about 95-98% in practice.
    I thought that as well, based on the Irish referendums. However the Danish Maastrict vote turnouts increased fro 83.1 to 86.5, so there was obviously room for a squeeze of DNVs.
    As a reference point, the last Australian federal election had a turnout of 91%. Voting is compulsory and you get a fine for not voting. Don't know their rules about the contributing turnout factors listed above, but that's one in eleven registered voters that didn't.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_federal_election,_2016
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    AlasdairAlasdair Posts: 72

    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:

    twitter.com/bpolitics/status/841697824697909249

    "The 27 other members of the EU have pinpointed a meeting of government ministers in Luxembourg on June 20 as the moment to authorize the opening of two years of talks, two EU officials said on condition of anonymity."

    In other words, take with a large pinch of salt...
    A50 states that the two year clock starts when the letter is sent.
    Considering The UK took 9 months from voting to Leave to triggering Article 50 I'm sure we won't be able to complain if the EU take a few months to consider their response.
    After June the holidays start, so send the A50 letter in September when the eurocrats get back from the beach.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,951
    SeanT said:

    Salmond is on Bloomberg TV now saying Scotland will join the EEA, at first.

    Another layer of complexity.

    Salmons is a real banker - will lose SNP the referendum and help cement Tory rule in England.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Sandpit said:

    It's interesting to note that when Ireland voted on the EU constitution / Lisbon Treaty, the turnout increased appreciably from the first to the second vote, with a little over a year between them.

    Likewise, turnout increased in the two Danish Maastrict referendums over twenty years ago.

    I'd have expected a decrease between first and second. Might we see an increased turnout in Scotland for a second referendum, despite an around 85% turnout in 2014?

    It can't increase much from 85%!

    There will be people who have moved, are travelling, in hospital, prison or have died, as well as students registered twice. These are all counted against the turnout, even though they can't vote on the day. That 85% was probably about 95-98% in practice.
    Big student population many of whom will be double counted as well.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,783
    sarissa said:

    Sandpit said:

    Cyan said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Scotland is DEFINITELY heading into the Euro if it becomes independent, the Nats just need to be honest about this one.

    The euro convergence criteria include that they should treat their exchange rate policy "as a matter of common interest". If they keep the pound while they're waiting to join the euro, how can they actually have an exchange rate policy, given that they'll be using some other country's currency?

    They would also have "to pursue price stability as the primary objective of monetary policy", which is a bit difficult if you haven't got a central bank and don't issue any currency.
    The only answer is for them to move to a McPoond, then to the Euro.

    But who's going to lend money against the McPoond to finance the public spending deficit, and what happens when almost the entire Scottish financial services sector moves to London or Dublin?
    Who is currently lending to Croatia or Hungary?
    People who charge two to three times as much as they do to lend to the UK?
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    Can I blame Cyclefree for getting me into that hole.

    The headline in that 1995 scandal should have been 'The BONK of England'
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,985

    twitter.com/KateEMcCann/status/841704081546711040

    Good news for lovers of This Week by election specials? :smiley:
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    Re: Previous Thread:

    There's been a huge reversal in the betting odds in the Netherlands GE Most Seats market since Alastair's very timely thread early this morning.

    The VVD have since shortened to become odds-on virtually across the board, and are as short as 1.66 (4/6), whereas the PVV have correspondingly lengthened , going out from odds-on to around 2.25 (5/4).

    Great tipping from Mr Meeks it would appear.

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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,216

    Golly, all the pro Brexit referendum, anti Indy referendum, pro Indy project fear, anti Brexit project fear, pro UK taking back control, anti Scotland taking back control, pro Brexit uncertainty, anti Indy uncertainty crew are in a right, old stew.

    Top work lads, take a second Michelin star!

    A little unfair on those of us who are Pro Brexit, Pro Sindy.
    I wasn't including you!
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    isamisam Posts: 40,952

    Golly, all the pro Brexit referendum, anti Indy referendum, pro Indy project fear, anti Brexit project fear, pro UK taking back control, anti Scotland taking back control, pro Brexit uncertainty, anti Indy uncertainty crew are in a right, old stew.

    Top work lads, take a second Michelin star!

    A little unfair on those of us who are Pro Brexit, Pro Sindy.
    Don't let that get in the way of a meme desperately trying to gather pace
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,845

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.....

    Watching Pointless and "Sunil" from Nottingham is on!

    Wonder if that could be *THE* Sunil? :mopen_mouth:

    Beware cheap imitations....
    The "Pointless Sunil" is on with a Blogger called Katy, he works in Optics and likes to watch a film a day (and has made a list of films to watch every day since the age of 9) ;)
    There was a clue there: he didn't mention "trains" in the first four words....
    I thought that... But he might now have wanted to make it too obvious. ;)
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,216
    edited March 2017
    Alistair said:

    SeanT said:

    nunu said:

    Judging by this thread, Scotland is leaving the union. English nationalism will drive it away. Working on the basis of what suits England at the expense of Scottish interests will make the SNP's point for it.

    Yep, for once you make sense.
    Except, here's a very different voice from the YES side. I bet a lot of the less shrieking Nats are feeling like this. They're exhausted. They don't want another vote. They are reluctant to campaign.

    How many will actually turn out, this time?

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/14/scottish-independence-referendum-snp-vote-brexit
    People didn't take down their Yes posters from last time. I pass a dozen on the way to work.
    The Noers brave enough to show a Bettertogether/UKOK poster will have taken theirs down because of the persistent threat of getting a Yes brick through their window. We were told on PB that this was the situation in Scotchland many, many times.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,845

    Golly, all the pro Brexit referendum, anti Indy referendum, pro Indy project fear, anti Brexit project fear, pro UK taking back control, anti Scotland taking back control, pro Brexit uncertainty, anti Indy uncertainty crew are in a right, old stew.

    Top work lads, take a second Michelin star!

    A little unfair on those of us who are Pro Brexit, Pro Sindy.
    Or those of us that are pro-Brexit and ambidextrous about Sindy... ;)
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Tully East rescues an otherwise miserable day at Cheltenham.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,942
    Scott_P said:

    Tully East rescues an otherwise miserable day at Cheltenham.

    I'm down £70 on £105 of stakes. Hoping Rutte can pay for it tommorow, and the rest.......
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,444
    Pulpstar said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:

    twitter.com/bpolitics/status/841697824697909249

    "The 27 other members of the EU have pinpointed a meeting of government ministers in Luxembourg on June 20 as the moment to authorize the opening of two years of talks, two EU officials said on condition of anonymity."

    In other words, take with a large pinch of salt...
    A50 states that the two year clock starts when the letter is sent.
    Considering The UK took 9 months from voting to Leave to triggering Article 50 I'm sure we won't be able to complain if the EU take a few months to consider their response.
    Fair enough, although one wonders what they've been up to in the interim. The point still stands though, it won't be two years of talks from June 20th, it'll be one year and nine months. /pedant
    June 20th is my birthday :o
    No shit? Me too.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,942

    Pulpstar said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:

    twitter.com/bpolitics/status/841697824697909249

    "The 27 other members of the EU have pinpointed a meeting of government ministers in Luxembourg on June 20 as the moment to authorize the opening of two years of talks, two EU officials said on condition of anonymity."

    In other words, take with a large pinch of salt...
    A50 states that the two year clock starts when the letter is sent.
    Considering The UK took 9 months from voting to Leave to triggering Article 50 I'm sure we won't be able to complain if the EU take a few months to consider their response.
    Fair enough, although one wonders what they've been up to in the interim. The point still stands though, it won't be two years of talks from June 20th, it'll be one year and nine months. /pedant
    June 20th is my birthday :o
    No shit? Me too.
    :!
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,352
    GIN1138 said:

    Golly, all the pro Brexit referendum, anti Indy referendum, pro Indy project fear, anti Brexit project fear, pro UK taking back control, anti Scotland taking back control, pro Brexit uncertainty, anti Indy uncertainty crew are in a right, old stew.

    Top work lads, take a second Michelin star!

    A little unfair on those of us who are Pro Brexit, Pro Sindy.
    Or those of us that are pro-Brexit and ambidextrous about Sindy... ;)
    On the one hand,on the other hand, eh?
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    "Yet despite increases in funding and multiple reforms, there has been little improvement in the educational attainment of the bottom quarter of school students: 17 per cent of students leave school functionally illiterate and 22 per cent are effectively innumerate. These figures are comparable with Albania. As a criteria for success in our modern economy—and by extension our economically fixated society—cognitive ability overshadowed character, competence or experience. The state coped with globalisation not through the reproduction of skills but through the generalisation of knowledge. The result has been a polarised labour market that has created our polarised politics."

    http://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/magazine/why-brexit-is-a-chance-for-national-renewal
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Pulpstar said:

    I'm down £70 on £105 of stakes. Hoping Rutte can pay for it tommorow, and the rest.......

    Ouch.

    Fortunately the festivities tomorrow on course have been generously sponsored by PaddyPower this year...

    Stake and Return Details
    Bet placed at 9th of February 2017 3:19 pm Total Stake £20.00
    Bet type Double (Each-Way) Tax@Tax free 0
    Number of lines 2 Total stake due £20.00
    Stake per line £10.00 Freebets Redeemed £0.00
    Channel Internet Total amount paid £20.00
    Number of win lines 2
    Number of void lines 0 Standard Returns £394.00
    Total Returns £394.00
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,942
    IPSOS : VVD 29 seats, CDA 23 seats, PVV 20 seats.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,994
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,942
    Scott_P said:

    Pulpstar said:

    I'm down £70 on £105 of stakes. Hoping Rutte can pay for it tommorow, and the rest.......

    Ouch.

    Fortunately the festivities tomorrow on course have been generously sponsored by PaddyPower this year...

    Stake and Return Details
    Bet placed at 9th of February 2017 3:19 pm Total Stake £20.00
    Bet type Double (Each-Way) Tax@Tax free 0
    Number of lines 2 Total stake due £20.00
    Stake per line £10.00 Freebets Redeemed £0.00
    Channel Internet Total amount paid £20.00
    Number of win lines 2
    Number of void lines 0 Standard Returns £394.00
    Total Returns £394.00
    Which horses were those ?
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,845
    edited March 2017

    GIN1138 said:

    Golly, all the pro Brexit referendum, anti Indy referendum, pro Indy project fear, anti Brexit project fear, pro UK taking back control, anti Scotland taking back control, pro Brexit uncertainty, anti Indy uncertainty crew are in a right, old stew.

    Top work lads, take a second Michelin star!

    A little unfair on those of us who are Pro Brexit, Pro Sindy.
    Or those of us that are pro-Brexit and ambidextrous about Sindy... ;)
    On the one hand,on the other hand, eh?
    :smiley:
    Not keen on that colour...
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Pulpstar said:

    Which horses were those ?

    Selection Selection Details Result
    1
    Horse Racing
    DONCASTER
    15:30 HANDICAP HURDLE 3m 84y
    9th of February 2017 3:30 pm
    Win or E/W
    1/5 places 1,2,3
    Three Ways @ 6/1 (GP)
    Win

    Selection Selection Details Result
    2
    Horse Racing
    HUNTINGDON
    15:20 HANDICAP CHASE 2m 3f 189y
    9th of February 2017 3:20 pm
    Win or E/W
    1/4 places 1,2,3
    Song Saa @ 4/1 (GP)
    Win
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,919
    edited March 2017
    sarissa said:

    Sandpit said:

    Cyan said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Scotland is DEFINITELY heading into the Euro if it becomes independent, the Nats just need to be honest about this one.

    The euro convergence criteria include that they should treat their exchange rate policy "as a matter of common interest". If they keep the pound while they're waiting to join the euro, how can they actually have an exchange rate policy, given that they'll be using some other country's currency?

    They would also have "to pursue price stability as the primary objective of monetary policy", which is a bit difficult if you haven't got a central bank and don't issue any currency.
    The only answer is for them to move to a McPoond, then to the Euro.

    But who's going to lend money against the McPoond to finance the public spending deficit, and what happens when almost the entire Scottish financial services sector moves to London or Dublin?
    Who is currently lending to Croatia or Hungary?
    Lots of people, but at higher rates than lending to the UK or Genrmany.

    The biggest issue is that a new Scottish government wouldn't have a credit rating with lenders, which will initially made it difficult and expensive to sell debt. Ideally they would probably want to move directly from the Pound to the Euro, but that's not possible due to Euro entry convergence criteria, which require an incoming country to have their own currency and use monetary policy to hold it steady in ERM II. They could try and fix a Scottish Pound to a British Pound, but would need to tightly control public spending and push exports, against a lot of speculators betting against the peg - they would need a lot of hard currency reserves which would be difficult to accumulate quickly.

    It's a big problem for any new country, especially so if they wish to join the Euro and have a sizeable financial services industry. These are just economic issues rather than political issues.
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited March 2017
    Mr Dancer, does it have a matching pink parasol like Penelope Pitstop..?
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @SkyNewsBreak: Leaked emails seen by Sky News suggest Conservative MPs are being used as scapegoats by their party over 2015 election mis-spending claims
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @faisalislam: Our @tamcohen has exclusive leaked internal Conservative emails on #electionexpenses live on @SkyNews now
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,216
    Scott_P said:
    'I'll just bolt that stable door, now, where's my horse?
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,193
    Scott_P said:

    @SkyNewsBreak: Leaked emails seen by Sky News suggest Conservative MPs are being used as scapegoats by their party over 2015 election mis-spending claims

    Civil war is about to start in the Tory Party.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    Scott_P said:
    Ah, a politician has come to town. The country will be united. But not in the way she hopes.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,919
    Well we won't be mistaking them for anything else! Hideous colour scheme.
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    NEW THREAD

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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,985
    tlg86 said:

    Scott_P said:

    @SkyNewsBreak: Leaked emails seen by Sky News suggest Conservative MPs are being used as scapegoats by their party over 2015 election mis-spending claims

    Civil war is about to start in the Tory Party.
    If it didn't start over Europe, I don't think it is going to start after this.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,942
    Sandpit said:

    but that's not possible due to Euro entry convergence criteria, which require an incoming country to have their own currency and use monetary policy to hold it steady in ERM II.

    The EU will bring out its oldest trick for this one.

    Fudgey McFudgecake.
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,220

    Can I blame Cyclefree for getting me into that hole.

    The headline in that 1995 scandal should have been 'The BONK of England'
    Hmm..... given that you added sex to my list and then refer to being in a hole it is just as well my other half does not read PB.

    :)

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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,783

    Scott_P said:
    'I'll just bolt that stable door, now, where's my horse?
    That horse was going to bolt anyway.....but where to? The EU? The EEA? Timbuktu?
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    I don't suppose my near namesake PtP has posted on PB.com today to share the benefit of his tips for the first day of the Cheltenham Festival.
    I had hoped against hope that he might have made a rare guest appearance, but seemingly not.

    Peter, should you read this, you're greatly missed.
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    rcs1000 said:

    SeanT said:

    Walking away would turn it into a financial pariah. It would also deeply complicate its bid to join the EU. Some countries might want to veto a country that refuses to pay its debts. Like, say, Spain.

    Well the Baltic states walked away from their Soviet debts and have been welcomed into the EU.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_continuity_of_the_Baltic_states

    On 4 December 1991 the former republics of the Soviet Union signed the treaty on the division of the Soviet foreign debt. The Baltic states refused to sign. In 1993, the Russian Federation announced it would alone be responsible for the debt.
    That might be because they were forced into the Soviet Union through invasion 45 years earlier.
    And, as that Wiki link demonstrates, many countries never recognised their annexation.
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