A1 north of Newcastle also needs dueling. It isn't just a Scottish problem.
Would've been great if both Glasgow and Edinburgh had been connected to the M network back in the 60s - wasn't until 2008 Glasgow finally connected via M74/M6 !!
M8 Glasgow to Edinburgh at 2 lanes is a national disgrace , meanwhile they have real motorways all over England. Go north of Stirling and there is nothing.
Edinburgh to Perth is motorway
Hmmm bet it is not 3 lanes , do you mean dual carriageway
A1 north of Newcastle also needs dueling. It isn't just a Scottish problem.
Would've been great if both Glasgow and Edinburgh had been connected to the M network back in the 60s - wasn't until 2008 Glasgow finally connected via M74/M6 !!
M8 Glasgow to Edinburgh at 2 lanes is a national disgrace , meanwhile they have real motorways all over England. Go north of Stirling and there is nothing.
Perth on the M90 is north of Stirling ...
What is the point-to-point journeys like north of Perth? The major population centres are, I reckon, Dundee, Inverness, Aberdeen. Do they generate enough journeys to warrant a motorway?
On a similar note, I see the A82's finally been sorted out on Loch Lomond (Pulpit Rock?). About time, and it must have been quite difficult engineering.
Not motorway standard north of Perth but most certainly should be dual carriageway all the way to Inverness
A1 north of Newcastle also needs dueling. It isn't just a Scottish problem.
The farce that is the A303 upgrade also rumbles on.
What surprises me is that the eco-warriors appear to be less prominent. Go back 20+ years, and the media was filled with Swampy et al during construction of the Newbury Bypass and the one in Devon. Such protests probably put paid to a fair few road enhancements (or gave governments an excuse not to do them).
Yet the new multi-billion A14 enhancement scheme seems to have escaped the attention of the unwashed bearded ones (and even the Lib Dems seem unperturbed ), as have other large road schemes.
Have the eco-warriors moved onto Heathrow et al instead of roads, are they finding it harder to get media attention or are they just fewer in number?
Cars are less polluting now, but also annual mileage driven has been dropping for years:
Clegg popping TM in the Independent over her sacking of Heseltine as it makes her look callous. Really, they all need to grow up - Heseltine challenged her authority and was dismissed. Pity Corbyn hasn't got the same courage
Tomorrow could be the last push by remainers to torpedo the Brexit bill as I believe that once A50 is served voters will expect encouragement to those negotiating the deal and opposition to the negotiations from within the UK will become unpopular and unproductive
A1 north of Newcastle also needs dueling. It isn't just a Scottish problem.
Would've been great if both Glasgow and Edinburgh had been connected to the M network back in the 60s - wasn't until 2008 Glasgow finally connected via M74/M6 !!
M8 Glasgow to Edinburgh at 2 lanes is a national disgrace , meanwhile they have real motorways all over England. Go north of Stirling and there is nothing.
There are places all over England which need upgrades, new junctions, and bypasses.
Labour cancelled a bunch of plans in '97 that have never been done.
Mark, that may well be the case but having driven across many parts of England , the roads are far superior to the crap we have. They are only just connecting Glasgow and Edinburgh to motorway network for real.
A1 north of Newcastle also needs dueling. It isn't just a Scottish problem.
Would've been great if both Glasgow and Edinburgh had been connected to the M network back in the 60s - wasn't until 2008 Glasgow finally connected via M74/M6 !!
M8 Glasgow to Edinburgh at 2 lanes is a national disgrace , meanwhile they have real motorways all over England. Go north of Stirling and there is nothing.
Edinburgh to Perth is motorway
Hmmm bet it is not 3 lanes , do you mean dual carriageway
Not all motorways in England are three-lane. The M5 was rather annoyingly built as two lanes, and then widened soon afterwards ...
A1 north of Newcastle also needs dueling. It isn't just a Scottish problem.
Would've been great if both Glasgow and Edinburgh had been connected to the M network back in the 60s - wasn't until 2008 Glasgow finally connected via M74/M6 !!
M8 Glasgow to Edinburgh at 2 lanes is a national disgrace , meanwhile they have real motorways all over England. Go north of Stirling and there is nothing.
Edinburgh to Perth is motorway
Hmmm bet it is not 3 lanes , do you mean dual carriageway
No - the M90 is a huge improvement on the old road from Edinburgh to Perth and as far as I know has no congestion on it
A1 north of Newcastle also needs dueling. It isn't just a Scottish problem.
Would've been great if both Glasgow and Edinburgh had been connected to the M network back in the 60s - wasn't until 2008 Glasgow finally connected via M74/M6 !!
M8 Glasgow to Edinburgh at 2 lanes is a national disgrace , meanwhile they have real motorways all over England. Go north of Stirling and there is nothing.
There are places all over England which need upgrades, new junctions, and bypasses.
Labour cancelled a bunch of plans in '97 that have never been done.
Not so long ago, while channel flipping, came across one of those "follow people on their jobs" programs. In this case heroic inspectors chasing benefits cheats. They caught an evil man - he was secretly supporting the mother of his child, instead of ignoring them both, as he was supposed to do..... So they were all guilty of benefit fraud.
A whole department of state, the police powers, the courts.... to *that* end?
A1 north of Newcastle also needs dueling. It isn't just a Scottish problem.
Would've been great if both Glasgow and Edinburgh had been connected to the M network back in the 60s - wasn't until 2008 Glasgow finally connected via M74/M6 !!
M8 Glasgow to Edinburgh at 2 lanes is a national disgrace , meanwhile they have real motorways all over England. Go north of Stirling and there is nothing.
Perth on the M90 is north of Stirling ...
What is the point-to-point journeys like north of Perth? The major population centres are, I reckon, Dundee, Inverness, Aberdeen. Do they generate enough journeys to warrant a motorway?
On a similar note, I see the A82's finally been sorted out on Loch Lomond (Pulpit Rock?). About time, and it must have been quite difficult engineering.
They certainly deserve at least a dual carriageway given their importance and the carnage on the current road.
A1 north of Newcastle also needs dueling. It isn't just a Scottish problem.
Would've been great if both Glasgow and Edinburgh had been connected to the M network back in the 60s - wasn't until 2008 Glasgow finally connected via M74/M6 !!
M8 Glasgow to Edinburgh at 2 lanes is a national disgrace , meanwhile they have real motorways all over England. Go north of Stirling and there is nothing.
There are places all over England which need upgrades, new junctions, and bypasses.
Labour cancelled a bunch of plans in '97 that have never been done.
A1 north of Newcastle also needs dueling. It isn't just a Scottish problem.
Would've been great if both Glasgow and Edinburgh had been connected to the M network back in the 60s - wasn't until 2008 Glasgow finally connected via M74/M6 !!
M8 Glasgow to Edinburgh at 2 lanes is a national disgrace , meanwhile they have real motorways all over England. Go north of Stirling and there is nothing.
Edinburgh to Perth is motorway
Hmmm bet it is not 3 lanes , do you mean dual carriageway
Not all motorways in England are three-lane. The M5 was rather annoyingly built as two lanes, and then widened soon afterwards ...
Last week I stopped at Rose Grove station just outside Burnley, the M65 alongside is only two lanes plus shoulder.
A1 north of Newcastle also needs dueling. It isn't just a Scottish problem.
The farce that is the A303 upgrade also rumbles on.
What surprises me is that the eco-warriors appear to be less prominent. Go back 20+ years, and the media was filled with Swampy et al during construction of the Newbury Bypass and the one in Devon. Such protests probably put paid to a fair few road enhancements (or gave governments an excuse not to do them).
Yet the new multi-billion A14 enhancement scheme seems to have escaped the attention of the unwashed bearded ones (and even the Lib Dems seem unperturbed ), as have other large road schemes.
Have the eco-warriors moved onto Heathrow et al instead of roads, are they finding it harder to get media attention or are they just fewer in number?
Cars are less polluting now, but also annual mileage driven has been dropping for years:
Yes, huge increases in carbon efficiency of cars has been a story that few but motoring/science geeks are more than vaguely aware of. Four/five people in a new, smallish German car - say a 3 or 1 series BMW or Audi A1/A3 - is a pretty green way to travel.
Not so long ago, while channel flipping, came across one of those "follow people on their jobs" programs. In this case heroic inspectors chasing benefits cheats. They caught an evil man - he was secretly supporting the mother of his child, instead of ignoring them both, as he was supposed to do..... So they were all guilty of benefit fraud.
A whole department of state, the police powers, the courts.... to *that* end?
Nothing to do with the EU though. Like other Brexiterrs, Sunil has a casual attitude to the truth.
Still, at least we have that £350 million per year for the NHS to look forward to...
Not so long ago, while channel flipping, came across one of those "follow people on their jobs" programs. In this case heroic inspectors chasing benefits cheats. They caught an evil man - he was secretly supporting the mother of his child, instead of ignoring them both, as he was supposed to do..... So they were all guilty of benefit fraud.
A whole department of state, the police powers, the courts.... to *that* end?
Nothing to do with the EU though. Like other Brexiterrs, Sunil has a casual attitude to the truth.
Still, at least we have that £350 million per year for the NHS to look forward to...
Not so long ago, while channel flipping, came across one of those "follow people on their jobs" programs. In this case heroic inspectors chasing benefits cheats. They caught an evil man - he was secretly supporting the mother of his child, instead of ignoring them both, as he was supposed to do..... So they were all guilty of benefit fraud.
A whole department of state, the police powers, the courts.... to *that* end?
Nothing to do with the EU though. Like other Brexiterrs, Sunil has a casual attitude to the truth.
Still, at least we have that £350 million per year for the NHS to look forward to...
Not so long ago, while channel flipping, came across one of those "follow people on their jobs" programs. In this case heroic inspectors chasing benefits cheats. They caught an evil man - he was secretly supporting the mother of his child, instead of ignoring them both, as he was supposed to do..... So they were all guilty of benefit fraud.
A whole department of state, the police powers, the courts.... to *that* end?
Nothing to do with the EU though. Like other Brexiterrs, Sunil has a casual attitude to the truth.
Still, at least we have that £350 million per year for the NHS to look forward to...
Not so long ago, while channel flipping, came across one of those "follow people on their jobs" programs. In this case heroic inspectors chasing benefits cheats. They caught an evil man - he was secretly supporting the mother of his child, instead of ignoring them both, as he was supposed to do..... So they were all guilty of benefit fraud.
A whole department of state, the police powers, the courts.... to *that* end?
Nothing to do with the EU though. Like other Brexiterrs, Sunil has a casual attitude to the truth.
Still, at least we have that £350 million per year for the NHS to look forward to...
A1 north of Newcastle also needs dueling. It isn't just a Scottish problem.
Would've been great if both Glasgow and Edinburgh had been connected to the M network back in the 60s - wasn't until 2008 Glasgow finally connected via M74/M6 !!
M8 Glasgow to Edinburgh at 2 lanes is a national disgrace , meanwhile they have real motorways all over England. Go north of Stirling and there is nothing.
Perth on the M90 is north of Stirling ...
What is the point-to-point journeys like north of Perth? The major population centres are, I reckon, Dundee, Inverness, Aberdeen. Do they generate enough journeys to warrant a motorway?
On a similar note, I see the A82's finally been sorted out on Loch Lomond (Pulpit Rock?). About time, and it must have been quite difficult engineering.
The A9 gets slowed down by accidents and by snow, but not so much by sheer weight of traffic. I believe all the Tescos in Inv are provisioned by train rather than lorry. Mway would be overkill I think; though come to think of it, it's exactly the sort of extravagant gesture one would have hoped the EU would fund.
Not so long ago, while channel flipping, came across one of those "follow people on their jobs" programs. In this case heroic inspectors chasing benefits cheats. They caught an evil man - he was secretly supporting the mother of his child, instead of ignoring them both, as he was supposed to do..... So they were all guilty of benefit fraud.
A whole department of state, the police powers, the courts.... to *that* end?
Nothing to do with the EU though. Like other Brexiterrs, Sunil has a casual attitude to the truth.
Still, at least we have that £350 million per year for the NHS to look forward to...
For the first time ever I was phoned by Ipsos Mori. It's quite empowering. 'Who will you vote for 'Lib Dem'. Who did you vote for at the last election ' Labour' . Do you think Jeremy Corbyn is very good quite good quite bad very bad or should he be hung from the nearest telegraph poll' .You get the idea.
As an edinburgh council tax payer, the trams are really depressing. And now the 20mph speed zones that people are ignoring (I drove at 20 the other day and got flashed headlights from behind through Morningside)
I'm generally in favour of the 20 zones but some of the choices about which roads are 30 and 20 are moronic. Making all of Holyrood Park 20 is crazy. I already had people jammed up my bumper when it was 30mph.
Not so long ago, while channel flipping, came across one of those "follow people on their jobs" programs. In this case heroic inspectors chasing benefits cheats. They caught an evil man - he was secretly supporting the mother of his child, instead of ignoring them both, as he was supposed to do..... So they were all guilty of benefit fraud.
A whole department of state, the police powers, the courts.... to *that* end?
Nothing to do with the EU though. Like other Brexiterrs, Sunil has a casual attitude to the truth.
Still, at least we have that £350 million per year for the NHS to look forward to...
Not really, India has a population three times that of the EU27.
Plus a gdp per capita still several times lower and despite the billionaires of Mumba and New Delhi there are still millions in absolute poverty
Per capita, our aid to India in 2015 was about 30p per Indian!
Our EU "aid" (net) in 2015 was about £19 per European.
Exactly and some of those EU nations, Luxembourg, Austria, Germany, Ireland, the Netherlands, Denmark and Sweden for example, have a higher gdp per capita than we do
@PolhomeEditor: Jeremy Corbyn to lead Momentum demo outside parliament tomorrow calling on govt to guarantee the legal status of EU citizens in the UK .
Not so long ago, while channel flipping, came across one of those "follow people on their jobs" programs. In this case heroic inspectors chasing benefits cheats. They caught an evil man - he was secretly supporting the mother of his child, instead of ignoring them both, as he was supposed to do..... So they were all guilty of benefit fraud.
A whole department of state, the police powers, the courts.... to *that* end?
Nothing to do with the EU though. Like other Brexiterrs, Sunil has a casual attitude to the truth.
Still, at least we have that £350 million per year for the NHS to look forward to...
Not so long ago, while channel flipping, came across one of those "follow people on their jobs" programs. In this case heroic inspectors chasing benefits cheats. They caught an evil man - he was secretly supporting the mother of his child, instead of ignoring them both, as he was supposed to do..... So they were all guilty of benefit fraud.
A whole department of state, the police powers, the courts.... to *that* end?
Nothing to do with the EU though. Like other Brexiterrs, Sunil has a casual attitude to the truth.
Still, at least we have that £350 million per year for the NHS to look forward to...
Not really, India has a population three times that of the EU27.
Plus a gdp per capita still several times lower and despite the billionaires of Mumba and New Delhi there are still millions in absolute poverty
Per capita, our aid to India in 2015 was about 30p per Indian!
Our EU "aid" (net) in 2015 was about £19 per European.
Exactly and some of those EU nations, Luxembourg, Austria, Germany, Ireland, the Netherlands, Denmark and Sweden for example, have a higher gdp per capita than we do
They are also net donors though, the UK is 9th in terms of percapita contribution, with Eastern and Southern Europe the main recipients.
Think of it like the Remainers of the Home counties supporting the aging Leavers of tbe North East if you prefer, the only difference is that Eastern Europe is developing rapidly.
Not so long ago, while channel flipping, came across one of those "follow people on their jobs" programs. In this case heroic inspectors chasing benefits cheats. They caught an evil man - he was secretly supporting the mother of his child, instead of ignoring them both, as he was supposed to do..... So they were all guilty of benefit fraud.
A whole department of state, the police powers, the courts.... to *that* end?
Nothing to do with the EU though. Like other Brexiterrs, Sunil has a casual attitude to the truth.
Still, at least we have that £350 million per year for the NHS to look forward to...
Not really, India has a population three times that of the EU27.
Plus a gdp per capita still several times lower and despite the billionaires of Mumba and New Delhi there are still millions in absolute poverty
Per capita, our aid to India in 2015 was about 30p per Indian!
Our EU "aid" (net) in 2015 was about £19 per European.
Exactly and some of those EU nations, Luxembourg, Austria, Germany, Ireland, the Netherlands, Denmark and Sweden for example, have a higher gdp per capita than we do
They are also net donors though, the UK is 9th in terms of percapita contribution, with Eastern and Southern Europe the main recipients.
Think of it like the Remainers of the Home counties supporting the aging Leavers of tbe North East if you prefer, the only difference is that Eastern Europe is developing rapidly.
As the UK leaves the EU that burden will fall ever more on the economies of Northwestern Europe
As the UK leaves the EU that burden will fall ever more on the economies of Northwestern Europe
While that's true, I wouldn't exaggerate the effect. 8.5bn (and that assumes we pay nothing to be members of EU administered bodies such as the ESA, Gallileo, or Erasmus) is less than 0.1% of Eurozone (not even EU) GDP.
As the UK leaves the EU that burden will fall ever more on the economies of Northwestern Europe
While that's true, I wouldn't exaggerate the effect. 8.5bn (and that assumes we pay nothing to be members of EU administered bodies such as the ESA, Gallileo, or Erasmus) is less than 0.1% of Eurozone (not even EU) GDP.
However it is still a fair proportion of tax which will now fall more on German, Dutch, Danish and Swedish taxpayers, who will also see an increase in migrants from Eastern Europe once the UK imposes controls on EU migration
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However it is still a fair proportion of tax which will now fall more on German, Dutch, Danish and Swedish taxpayers, who will also see an increase in migrants from Eastern Europe once the UK imposes controls on EU migration
So you in fact think that more German, Dutch, Danish and Swedish taxpayers will be Poles, Czechs, Lithuanians, Latvians, relieving the pressure on the former group?
GERS is not just a matter of what Scotland would not spend like Trident but also the economic impact of spending which is counted eg Foreign Office spending in Londonhas an economic impact on London as does all the other reserved functions.
Years ago a very talented journalist called George Rosie did a series on this called "Scothcing the Myth". It would be timely to have a follow up.
As the UK leaves the EU that burden will fall ever more on the economies of Northwestern Europe
While that's true, I wouldn't exaggerate the effect. 8.5bn (and that assumes we pay nothing to be members of EU administered bodies such as the ESA, Gallileo, or Erasmus) is less than 0.1% of Eurozone (not even EU) GDP.
However it is still a fair proportion of tax which will now fall more on German, Dutch, Danish and Swedish taxpayers, who will also see an increase in migrants from Eastern Europe once the UK imposes controls on EU migration
That's a very good point I hadn't thought of; the increase in GDP from Eastern European migration to those countries probably offsets any cost to them of higher contributions.
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Yet still most Scots don't want any referendum until after Brexit has been completed although on the scope of the demands Davis talked last week of allowing Scots to take more migrants than the rest of the UK
However it is still a fair proportion of tax which will now fall more on German, Dutch, Danish and Swedish taxpayers, who will also see an increase in migrants from Eastern Europe once the UK imposes controls on EU migration
So you in fact think that more German, Dutch, Danish and Swedish taxpayers will be Poles, Czechs, Lithuanians, Latvians, relieving the pressure on the former group?
Not if their wages are undercut and of course the latter will be happy to send wages and part of their taxes back home
As the UK leaves the EU that burden will fall ever more on the economies of Northwestern Europe
While that's true, I wouldn't exaggerate the effect. 8.5bn (and that assumes we pay nothing to be members of EU administered bodies such as the ESA, Gallileo, or Erasmus) is less than 0.1% of Eurozone (not even EU) GDP.
However it is still a fair proportion of tax which will now fall more on German, Dutch, Danish and Swedish taxpayers, who will also see an increase in migrants from Eastern Europe once the UK imposes controls on EU migration
That's a very good point I hadn't thought of; the increase in GDP from Eastern European migration to those countries probably offsets any cost to them of higher contributions.
Yes because Leave voters in the UK were so grateful for the increase in GDP they got from Polish and Romanian workers weren't they!
However it is still a fair proportion of tax which will now fall more on German, Dutch, Danish and Swedish taxpayers, who will also see an increase in migrants from Eastern Europe once the UK imposes controls on EU migration
So you in fact think that more German, Dutch, Danish and Swedish taxpayers will be Poles, Czechs, Lithuanians, Latvians, relieving the pressure on the former group?
Not if their wages are undercut and of course the latter will be happy to send wages and part of their taxes back home
Which is used to buy German products and sustain Germany's balance of payments surplus. It's a win-win.
However it is still a fair proportion of tax which will now fall more on German, Dutch, Danish and Swedish taxpayers, who will also see an increase in migrants from Eastern Europe once the UK imposes controls on EU migration
So you in fact think that more German, Dutch, Danish and Swedish taxpayers will be Poles, Czechs, Lithuanians, Latvians, relieving the pressure on the former group?
Not if their wages are undercut and of course the latter will be happy to send wages and part of their taxes back home
Which is used to buy German products and sustain Germany's balance of payments surplus. It's a win-win.
Most of it will actually be used to buy a bigger house back home and of course high levels of immigration from Eastern Europe did not impress UK Leave voters when their wages were stagnant and public services under pressure and if more Polish and Romanian and Bulgarian workers move to Germany rather than the UK I am not sure they will all see a warm welcome
Pretty close. October 2018 - Brexit negotiations hit the wall. Inflation takes away real income with stagnant pay rises.
And, Bonnie Scotland is free again !
Or despite months of doom and gloom about hard Brexit from the SNP Sturgeon still cannot call a referendum without a very strong chance of losing and indeed the likely Brexit outcome, a job offer requirement and some bilateral agreements, will likely be something most Scots can live with
Not so long ago, while channel flipping, came across one of those "follow people on their jobs" programs. In this case heroic inspectors chasing benefits cheats. They caught an evil man - he was secretly supporting the mother of his child, instead of ignoring them both, as he was supposed to do..... So they were all guilty of benefit fraud.
A whole department of state, the police powers, the courts.... to *that* end?
Nothing to do with the EU though. Like other Brexiterrs, Sunil has a casual attitude to the truth.
Still, at least we have that £350 million per year for the NHS to look forward to...
However it is still a fair proportion of tax which will now fall more on German, Dutch, Danish and Swedish taxpayers, who will also see an increase in migrants from Eastern Europe once the UK imposes controls on EU migration
So you in fact think that more German, Dutch, Danish and Swedish taxpayers will be Poles, Czechs, Lithuanians, Latvians, relieving the pressure on the former group?
Not if their wages are undercut and of course the latter will be happy to send wages and part of their taxes back home
Which is used to buy German products and sustain Germany's balance of payments surplus. It's a win-win.
Most of it will actually be used to buy a bigger house back home and of course high levels of immigration from Eastern Europe did not impress UK Leave voters when their wages were stagnant and public services under pressure and if more Polish and Romanian and Bulgarian workers move to Germany rather than the UK I am not sure they will all see a warm welcome
If EU migration is the principle reason for stagnant wages over the last decade, why have wages also been stagnant in the two largest non-EU developed countries, the US and Japan?
There are six developed countries where median wages have risen appreciably since 1999: Canada, Australia, Germany, Switzerland, Norway and Sweden. Three of these are countries which benefited from the 2000-2015 commodity boom. The others are countries with extremely strong education systems for "the next 60%". It may be a coincidence. It may not be. But it seems like a far more likely explanation for relative wage success than "the Eastern Europeans fucked us".
Not so long ago, while channel flipping, came across one of those "follow people on their jobs" programs. In this case heroic inspectors chasing benefits cheats. They caught an evil man - he was secretly supporting the mother of his child, instead of ignoring them both, as he was supposed to do..... So they were all guilty of benefit fraud.
A whole department of state, the police powers, the courts.... to *that* end?
Well, if she was falsely claiming benefit on the basis that he wasn't giving her anything and he backed that up, then they were indeed guilty of benefit fraud. You could argue for support for lone parents irrespective of whether they're getting support or not, funded from extra taxation, but I'm not sure if that's your argument?
Pretty close. October 2018 - Brexit negotiations hit the wall. Inflation takes away real income with stagnant pay rises.
And, Bonnie Scotland is free again !
There really is something morally detestable in English people who want the UK to break up, just because they are so unhappy with the democratic choice of Brexit.
You are vile. Go back to the sewer whence you came.
Three years ago I wanted to see the UK break up, just because I was unhappy with the democratic choice of Scotland electing Labour MPs who could write English laws.
Not so long ago, while channel flipping, came across one of those "follow people on their jobs" programs. In this case heroic inspectors chasing benefits cheats. They caught an evil man - he was secretly supporting the mother of his child, instead of ignoring them both, as he was supposed to do..... So they were all guilty of benefit fraud.
A whole department of state, the police powers, the courts.... to *that* end?
Nothing to do with the EU though. Like other Brexiterrs, Sunil has a casual attitude to the truth.
Still, at least we have that £350 million per year for the NHS to look forward to...
Pretty close. October 2018 - Brexit negotiations hit the wall. Inflation takes away real income with stagnant pay rises.
And, Bonnie Scotland is free again !
There really is something morally detestable in English people who want the UK to break up, just because they are so unhappy with the democratic choice of Brexit.
You are vile. Go back to the sewer whence you came.
Three years ago I wanted to see the UK break up, just because I was unhappy with the democratic choice of Scotland electing Labour MPs who could write English laws.
Was that vile?
It was certainly putting petty party politics above one's country
Not so long ago, while channel flipping, came across one of those "follow people on their jobs" programs. In this case heroic inspectors chasing benefits cheats. They caught an evil man - he was secretly supporting the mother of his child, instead of ignoring them both, as he was supposed to do..... So they were all guilty of benefit fraud.
A whole department of state, the police powers, the courts.... to *that* end?
Well, if she was falsely claiming benefit on the basis that he wasn't giving her anything and he backed that up, then they were indeed guilty of benefit fraud. You could argue for support for lone parents irrespective of whether they're getting support or not, funded from extra taxation, but I'm not sure if that's your argument?
It comes to something when a Blairite Corbyn supporter is writing Peter Lilley-esque posts about benefits fraudsters and cash in hand tradesmen.
Anyone know why the BJP did so well in Muslim areas of Uttar Pradesh elections? Some estimates out it as high as 39%.
As far as I can make out, a lot of Muslim voters simply decided to vote in non-sectarian fashion for a party that appeared to be delivering economic success. Always good to see people making up their minds on the issues rather than religion, community, etc. - perhaps one day most people in Northern Ireland will come round to it.
Pretty close. October 2018 - Brexit negotiations hit the wall. Inflation takes away real income with stagnant pay rises.
And, Bonnie Scotland is free again !
There really is something morally detestable in English people who want the UK to break up, just because they are so unhappy with the democratic choice of Brexit.
You are vile. Go back to the sewer whence you came.
Three years ago I wanted to see the UK break up, just because I was unhappy with the democratic choice of Scotland electing Labour MPs who could write English laws.
Was that vile?
It was certainly putting petty party politics above one's country
My country is England. If the Scots want different politics to the English let them have it and let us write our own laws. I was ultimately conviced to vote for Brexit for the same logic of backing local sovereignty.
Not so long ago, while channel flipping, came across one of those "follow people on their jobs" programs. In this case heroic inspectors chasing benefits cheats. They caught an evil man - he was secretly supporting the mother of his child, instead of ignoring them both, as he was supposed to do..... So they were all guilty of benefit fraud.
A whole department of state, the police powers, the courts.... to *that* end?
Nothing to do with the EU though. Like other Brexiterrs, Sunil has a casual attitude to the truth.
Still, at least we have that £350 million per year for the NHS to look forward to...
However it is still a fair proportion of tax which will now fall more on German, Dutch, Danish and Swedish taxpayers, who will also see an increase in migrants from Eastern Europe once the UK imposes controls on EU migration
So you in fact think that more German, Dutch, Danish and Swedish taxpayers will be Poles, Czechs, Lithuanians, Latvians, relieving the pressure on the former group?
Not if their wages are undercut and of course the latter will be happy to send wages and part of their taxes back home
Which is used to buy German products and sustain Germany's balance of payments surplus. It's a win-win.
Most of it will actually be used to buy a bigger house back home and of course high levels of immigration from Eastern Europe did not impress UK Leave voters when their wages were stagnant and public services under pressure and if more Polish and Romanian and Bulgarian workers move to Germany rather than the UK I am not sure they will all see a warm welcome
If EU migration is the principle reason for stagnant wages over the last decade, why have wages also been stagnant in the two largest non-EU developed countries, the US and Japan?
There are six developed countries where median wages have risen appreciably since 1999: Canada, Australia, Germany, Switzerland, Norway and Sweden. Three of these are countries which benefited from the 2000-2015 commodity boom. The others are countries with extremely strong education systems for "the next 60%". It may be a coincidence. It may not be. But it seems like a far more likely explanation for relative wage success than "the Eastern Europeans fucked us".
The US of course has had high levels of migration from Mexico, hence Trump, Japan has still not fully recovered from its last recession. In Sweden the Swedish Democrats now regularly top the polls so maybe not all Swedes are as happy with their wages as you suggest
Not so long ago, while channel flipping, came across one of those "follow people on their jobs" programs. In this case heroic inspectors chasing benefits cheats. They caught an evil man - he was secretly supporting the mother of his child, instead of ignoring them both, as he was supposed to do..... So they were all guilty of benefit fraud.
A whole department of state, the police powers, the courts.... to *that* end?
Nothing to do with the EU though. Like other Brexiterrs, Sunil has a casual attitude to the truth.
Still, at least we have that £350 million per year for the NHS to look forward to...
I just wanna say, if you're coming to London and you want a nice meal, go to Inamo in Camden (or Soho, or maybe Covent Garden (possibly inferior)) and order via iPad and play with the interactive table.... but make sure you have the wasabi Wagyu slider with Wasabi fries.
It's £20 for a burger, but it is the best burger in the entirety of human history. It is phenomenal. OK it's wagyu steak but they do something with the wasabi and mayo and garlic and....
I dunno what they do. It's a work of art.
There is this shop you find on many High Streets. The natives call it in their mellifluous tongue "Burger King". It sells a burger wondrous to behold. It's a slice of purest beef, enlightened with crisp lettuce and tomato slices and comforted by two halves of a bread bun encrusted with seeds of three nations. It's 99p, but it is the best burger in the entirety of human history. It is phenomenal. If you are in with the maitre'd, he will let you have fries with that.
Pretty close. October 2018 - Brexit negotiations hit the wall. Inflation takes away real income with stagnant pay rises.
And, Bonnie Scotland is free again !
There really is something morally detestable in English people who want the UK to break up, just because they are so unhappy with the democratic choice of Brexit.
You are vile. Go back to the sewer whence you came.
Three years ago I wanted to see the UK break up, just because I was unhappy with the democratic choice of Scotland electing Labour MPs who could write English laws.
Was that vile?
It was certainly putting petty party politics above one's country
My country is England. If the Scots want different politics to the English let them have it and let us write our own laws. I was ultimately conviced to vote for Brexit for the same logic of backing local sovereignty.
My country is the UK, there is no such real country as England and there has not been for over 300 years, on your logic London may as well vote for independence because of Brexit or Surrey when we next get a Labour government
I just wanna say, if you're coming to London and you want a nice meal, go to Inamo in Camden (or Soho, or maybe Covent Garden (possibly inferior)) and order via iPad and play with the interactive table.... but make sure you have the wasabi Wagyu slider with Wasabi fries.
It's £20 for a burger, but it is the best burger in the entirety of human history. It is phenomenal. OK it's wagyu steak but they do something with the wasabi and mayo and garlic and....
I dunno what they do. It's a work of art.
There is this shop you find on many High Streets. The natives call it in their mellifluous tongue "Burger King". It sells a burger wondrous to behold. It's a slice of purest beef, enlightened with crisp lettuce and tomato slices and comforted by two halves of a bread bun encrusted with seeds of three nations. It's 99p, but it is the best burger in the entirety of human history. It is phenomenal. If you are in with the maitre'd, he will let you have fries with that.
Fuck that chav shit.
So no Caramel Sundae for afters for Mr Grumpy then
there is no such real country as England and there has not been for over 300 years
I'm not sure that proposition would get much support among the average Brexiteer, or rugby fan...
Well I was originally a Remainer and of course rugby fans have the British Lions but as far as I am concerned England is a region I happen to live in much as Essex is the county I happen to live in, neither are my country, my country is the United Kingdom
I just wanna say, if you're coming to London and you want a nice meal, go to Inamo in Camden (or Soho, or maybe Covent Garden (possibly inferior)) and order via iPad and play with the interactive table.... but make sure you have the wasabi Wagyu slider with Wasabi fries.
It's £20 for a burger, but it is the best burger in the entirety of human history. It is phenomenal. OK it's wagyu steak but they do something with the wasabi and mayo and garlic and....
I dunno what they do. It's a work of art.
There is this shop you find on many High Streets. The natives call it in their mellifluous tongue "Burger King". It sells a burger wondrous to behold. It's a slice of purest beef, enlightened with crisp lettuce and tomato slices and comforted by two halves of a bread bun encrusted with seeds of three nations. It's 99p, but it is the best burger in the entirety of human history. It is phenomenal. If you are in with the maitre'd, he will let you have fries with that.
Fuck that chav shit.
What about the wimpy? They even give you a plate, knife and fork! I am sure David Cameron would be happy.
I just wanna say, if you're coming to London and you want a nice meal, go to Inamo in Camden (or Soho, or maybe Covent Garden (possibly inferior)) and order via iPad and play with the interactive table.... but make sure you have the wasabi Wagyu slider with Wasabi fries.
It's £20 for a burger, but it is the best burger in the entirety of human history. It is phenomenal. OK it's wagyu steak but they do something with the wasabi and mayo and garlic and....
I dunno what they do. It's a work of art.
There is this shop you find on many High Streets. The natives call it in their mellifluous tongue "Burger King". It sells a burger wondrous to behold. It's a slice of purest beef, enlightened with crisp lettuce and tomato slices and comforted by two halves of a bread bun encrusted with seeds of three nations. It's 99p, but it is the best burger in the entirety of human history. It is phenomenal. If you are in with the maitre'd, he will let you have fries with that.
Fuck that chav shit.
What about the wimpy? They even give you a plate, knife and fork! I am sure David Cameron would be happy.
Cameron eats that kind of food all the time. Only last week he took his family to a Berni Inn.
there is no such real country as England and there has not been for over 300 years
I'm not sure that proposition would get much support among the average Brexiteer, or rugby fan...
Well I was originally a Remainer and of course rugby fans have the British Lions but as far as I am concerned England is a region I happen to live in much as Essex is the county I happen to live in, neither are my country, my country is the United Kingdom
The Referendum question itself went like this:
"Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?"
Following the last, ridiculous and indeed offensive comment from Viewcode, I have reluctantly come to agree with the majority view - oft-entertained on here - that there should be some kind of financial/property-owning criterion for commenting on PB.
I suggest, from now on, only London property owners, and those with a verifiable income over £100,000 a year should be freely allowed to comment. The views of those "people" with smaller incomes, outside London, necessarily stupider and uninteresting, could perhaps be communally voiced by a single commenter, one they elect amongst themselves.
This is, after all, how trade unions formed, and in the end the Labour party, and it is how the lesser classes gained a very justifiable political leverage.
Such a rule would free up and energise debate on PB, without cruelly disenfranchising stupid, dull, provincial, ugly, undersized, dwarvish, smelly little poor people like viewcode.
Thoughts?
Looks like you will be spending a lot more time debating with Alistair Meeks!
Pretty close. October 2018 - Brexit negotiations hit the wall. Inflation takes away real income with stagnant pay rises.
And, Bonnie Scotland is free again !
There really is something morally detestable in English people who want the UK to break up, just because they are so unhappy with the democratic choice of Brexit.
You are vile. Go back to the sewer whence you came.
Three years ago I wanted to see the UK break up, just because I was unhappy with the democratic choice of Scotland electing Labour MPs who could write English laws.
Was that vile?
It was certainly putting petty party politics above one's country
My country is England. If the Scots want different politics to the English let them have it and let us write our own laws. I was ultimately conviced to vote for Brexit for the same logic of backing local sovereignty.
My country is the UK, there is no such real country as England and there has not been for over 300 years, on your logic London may as well vote for independence because of Brexit or Surrey when we next get a Labour government
As a cricket fan my favourite international sporting competition is The Ashes where my nation is England (which includes England and Wales). England is a real country within a country.
Following the last, ridiculous and indeed offensive comment from Viewcode, I have reluctantly come to agree with the majority view - oft-entertained on here - that there should be some kind of financial/property-owning criterion for commenting on PB.
I suggest, from now on, only London property owners, and those with a verifiable income over £100,000 a year should be freely allowed to comment. The views of those "people" with smaller incomes, outside London, necessarily stupider and uninteresting, could perhaps be communally voiced by a single commenter, one they elect amongst themselves.
This is, after all, how trade unions formed, and in the end the Labour party, and it is how the lesser classes gained a very justifiable political leverage.
Such a rule would free up and energise debate on PB, without cruelly disenfranchising stupid, dull, provincial, ugly, undersized, dwarvish, smelly little poor people like viewcode.
Thoughts?
I live with my parents at the weekend and my earnings are significantly less than 100 K.
Following the last, ridiculous and indeed offensive comment from Viewcode, I have reluctantly come to agree with the majority view - oft-entertained on here - that there should be some kind of financial/property-owning criterion for commenting on PB.
I suggest, from now on, only London property owners, and those with a verifiable income over £100,000 a year should be freely allowed to comment. The views of those "people" with smaller incomes, outside London, necessarily stupider and uninteresting, could perhaps be communally voiced by a single commenter, one they elect amongst themselves.
This is, after all, how trade unions formed, and in the end the Labour party, and it is how the lesser classes gained a very justifiable political leverage.
Such a rule would free up and energise debate on PB, without cruelly disenfranchising stupid, dull, provincial, ugly, undersized, dwarvish, smelly little poor people like viewcode.
Thoughts?
What you mean they let any old sod on pb they days? I thought there was already an entrance exam?
I also propose that other entry criteria to pbVIP should include don't fly cattle class, only for drink vino costing more than £20 a bottle and is a gambler who places wagers not limited to £10 bets on the favourite.
Not so long ago, while channel flipping, came across one of those "follow people on their jobs" programs. In this case heroic inspectors chasing benefits cheats. They caught an evil man - he was secretly supporting the mother of his child, instead of ignoring them both, as he was supposed to do..... So they were all guilty of benefit fraud.
A whole department of state, the police powers, the courts.... to *that* end?
Well, if she was falsely claiming benefit on the basis that he wasn't giving her anything and he backed that up, then they were indeed guilty of benefit fraud. You could argue for support for lone parents irrespective of whether they're getting support or not, funded from extra taxation, but I'm not sure if that's your argument?
It comes to something when a Blairite Corbyn supporter is writing Peter Lilley-esque posts about benefits fraudsters and cash in hand tradesmen.
Blairite? lol - the man is whatever his party wants him to be
Pretty close. October 2018 - Brexit negotiations hit the wall. Inflation takes away real income with stagnant pay rises.
And, Bonnie Scotland is free again !
There really is something morally detestable in English people who want the UK to break up, just because they are so unhappy with the democratic choice of Brexit.
You are vile. Go back to the sewer whence you came.
Three years ago I wanted to see the UK break up, just because I was unhappy with the democratic choice of Scotland electing Labour MPs who could write English laws.
Was that vile?
It was certainly putting petty party politics above one's country
My country is England. If the Scots want different politics to the English let them have it and let us write our own laws. I was ultimately conviced to vote for Brexit for the same logic of backing local sovereignty.
My country is the UK, there is no such real country as England and there has not been for over 300 years, on your logic London may as well vote for independence because of Brexit or Surrey when we next get a Labour government
As a cricket fan my favourite international sporting competition is The Ashes where my nation is England (which includes England and Wales). England is a real country within a country.
Your point on the England cricket team is a good one, it is already technically England and Wales so it could easily add in Scotland and Northern Ireland too
there is no such real country as England and there has not been for over 300 years
I'm not sure that proposition would get much support among the average Brexiteer, or rugby fan...
Well I was originally a Remainer and of course rugby fans have the British Lions but as far as I am concerned England is a region I happen to live in much as Essex is the county I happen to live in, neither are my country, my country is the United Kingdom
The Referendum question itself went like this:
"Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?"
Following the last, ridiculous and indeed offensive comment from Viewcode, I have reluctantly come to agree with the majority view - oft-entertained on here - that there should be some kind of financial/property-owning criterion for commenting on PB.
I suggest, from now on, only London property owners, and those with a verifiable income over £100,000 a year should be freely allowed to comment. The views of those "people" with smaller incomes, outside London, necessarily stupider and uninteresting, could perhaps be communally voiced by a single commenter, one they elect amongst themselves.
This is, after all, how trade unions formed, and in the end the Labour party, and it is how the lesser classes gained a very justifiable political leverage.
Such a rule would free up and energise debate on PB, without cruelly disenfranchising stupid, dull, provincial, ugly, undersized, dwarvish, smelly little poor people like viewcode.
Thoughts?
Looks like you will be spending a lot more time debating with Alistair Meeks!
Following the last, ridiculous and indeed offensive comment from Viewcode, I have reluctantly come to agree with the majority view - oft-entertained on here - that there should be some kind of financial/property-owning criterion for commenting on PB.
I suggest, from now on, only London property owners, and those with a verifiable income over £100,000 a year should be freely allowed to comment. The views of those "people" with smaller incomes, outside London, necessarily stupider and uninteresting, could perhaps be communally voiced by a single commenter, one they elect amongst themselves.
This is, after all, how trade unions formed, and in the end the Labour party, and it is how the lesser classes gained a very justifiable political leverage.
Such a rule would free up and energise debate on PB, without cruelly disenfranchising stupid, dull, provincial, ugly, undersized, dwarvish, smelly little poor people like viewcode.
Thoughts?
Looks like you will be spending a lot more time debating with Alistair Meeks!
And rcs. And possibly JackW.
This sounds like an ideal new form of PB
Sounds more like a gold premium clubcard PB with the rest of us in economy, although unfortunately as we still have universal suffrage you can't really have a political discussion site considering how the plebs might vote without a few plebs being let in to give their opinions. Anyway, off to bed in my peasant's hovel
Following the last, ridiculous and indeed offensive comment from Viewcode, I have reluctantly come to agree with the majority view - oft-entertained on here - that there should be some kind of financial/property-owning criterion for commenting on PB.
I suggest, from now on, only London property owners, and those with a verifiable income over £100,000 a year should be freely allowed to comment. The views of those "people" with smaller incomes, outside London, necessarily stupider and uninteresting, could perhaps be communally voiced by a single commenter, one they elect amongst themselves.
This is, after all, how trade unions formed, and in the end the Labour party, and it is how the lesser classes gained a very justifiable political leverage.
Such a rule would free up and energise debate on PB, without cruelly disenfranchising stupid, dull, provincial, ugly, undersized, dwarvish, smelly little poor people like viewcode.
Thoughts?
Thinks.
Well, I was going to ask you if you were going to be good and stop disturbing the other children I could get you an ice cream cone. But I suspect you are in a fractious mood tonight and entirely at home to Mr Grumpy.
(Including one Edward Tufte has said "may well be the best statistical graphic ever drawn". Though I'm a bit ambivalent about Tufte's opinions on data-viz, personally. Heretical though this might be in statistical circles!)
You may learn the words to the song 'Three Wheels on My Wagon' because there is every chance one of the ones you hitched yourself to will cause you damage.
You may learn the words to the song 'Three Wheels on My Wagon' because there is every chance one of the ones you hitched yourself to will cause you damage.
A curious/boring fact, delete as applicable. Three Wheels on My Wagon was released 37 years after the end of the Apache War. The release was 56 years ago now. Slightly more than 50% longer has elapsed since the tune's release, than the distance in history between the song and the last of the American Indian wars.
(If 1924 is an unsatisfactory date, the Battle of Kelley Creek - aka "The Last Massacre" - was only 50 years before the tune's release, still placing the song closer in time to the Wild West warfare it was describing than to the present day.)
My favourite piece of trivia concerning "historical proximity on the grand-sweeping timeline of human endeavour" is a general knowledge question I once was asked:
Q: Why wasn't Cleopatra buried in a pyramid?
A: Because she was several centuries closer in history to the moon landings than she was to the construction of the pyramids.
Comments
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-28546589
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/personal-view/3591831/Say-no-to-the-European-Army-say-no-to-Nato.html
Not so long ago, while channel flipping, came across one of those "follow people on their jobs" programs. In this case heroic inspectors chasing benefits cheats. They caught an evil man - he was secretly supporting the mother of his child, instead of ignoring them both, as he was supposed to do..... So they were all guilty of benefit fraud.
A whole department of state, the police powers, the courts.... to *that* end?
Labour p***ed away all the ££££.
Still, at least we have that £350 million per year for the NHS to look forward to...
Our EU "aid" (net) in 2015 was about £19 per European.
That feels better.
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/20mph-speed-limit-manchester-stopped-12706663
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4307088/Women-easier-Tory-party-says-Harman.html
Think of it like the Remainers of the Home counties supporting the aging Leavers of tbe North East if you prefer, the only difference is that Eastern Europe is developing rapidly.
Or something.
I've always said 'anyone would be better than Corbyn'.
I'd like to point out that was before seeing Rebecca Long-Bailey
https://twitter.com/telegraph/status/841065018623946754
GERS is not just a matter of what Scotland would not spend like Trident but also the economic impact of spending which is counted eg Foreign Office spending in Londonhas an economic impact on London as does all the other reserved functions.
Years ago a very talented journalist called George Rosie did a series on this called "Scothcing the Myth". It would be timely to have a follow up.
I should have pointed out that in GERS Scotland is charged for a population/GDP share of this centralised spending.
And, Bonnie Scotland is free again !
*there are no Sundays in Lent :-)
EU = Spanish Armada
There are six developed countries where median wages have risen appreciably since 1999: Canada, Australia, Germany, Switzerland, Norway and Sweden. Three of these are countries which benefited from the 2000-2015 commodity boom. The others are countries with extremely strong education systems for "the next 60%". It may be a coincidence. It may not be. But it seems like a far more likely explanation for relative wage success than "the Eastern Europeans fucked us".
Was that vile?
Our EU "aid" (net) in 2015 was about £19 per European.
EDIT: sorry replied to wrong post
"Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?"
I also propose that other entry criteria to pbVIP should include don't fly cattle class, only for drink vino costing more than £20 a bottle and is a gambler who places wagers not limited to £10 bets on the favourite.
How did he get the nickname "foot eater"?
Well, I was going to ask you if you were going to be good and stop disturbing the other children I could get you an ice cream cone. But I suspect you are in a fractious mood tonight and entirely at home to Mr Grumpy.
(Including one Edward Tufte has said "may well be the best statistical graphic ever drawn". Though I'm a bit ambivalent about Tufte's opinions on data-viz, personally. Heretical though this might be in statistical circles!)
You may learn the words to the song 'Three Wheels on My Wagon' because there is every chance one of the ones you hitched yourself to will cause you damage.
All together now...Despite brexit.
(If 1924 is an unsatisfactory date, the Battle of Kelley Creek - aka "The Last Massacre" - was only 50 years before the tune's release, still placing the song closer in time to the Wild West warfare it was describing than to the present day.)
My favourite piece of trivia concerning "historical proximity on the grand-sweeping timeline of human endeavour" is a general knowledge question I once was asked:
Q: Why wasn't Cleopatra buried in a pyramid?
A: Because she was several centuries closer in history to the moon landings than she was to the construction of the pyramids.