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Kingswood and Hazel Leys on Corby (Ind defence, elected as Labour, caused by disqualification of sitting member) Result of council at last election (2015): Labour 24, Conservatives 5 (Labour majority of 19) Result of ward at last election (2015): Emboldened denotes elected Labour 1,522, 1,472, 1,450 (54%) United Kingdom Independence Party 606 (22%) Conservatives 399, 314, 303 (14%) Green Party 275, 218 (10%) EU Referendum Result: REMAIN 11,470 (36%) LEAVE 20,611 (64%) on a turnout of 74% (No local ward data published) Candidates duly nominated: Stan Heggs (Con), Michael Mahon (Green), Isabel McNab (Lab) Weather at close of polls: Cloudy, but dry 0°C Estimate: Labour HOLD

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    The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979
    First!
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,987
    Second like the confidence motion
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Fairford North: CON HOLD. Doubt it.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited February 2017
    First....and anybody who says I wasn't is spreading fake news, like the bbc and their stories of problems in the labour party...everybody knows i am always first to a new thread...as we work to make new threads great again.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,820
    2 disqualifications? I assume the most common reason is non-attendance, but is it so hard to show up once in six months?

    Should they really pair up Great and Little Oakley? The great should never be brought down by the lesser.
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    kle4 said:

    2 disqualifications? I assume the most common reason is non-attendance, but is it so hard to show up once in six months?

    Should they really pair up Great and Little Oakley? The great should never be brought down by the lesser.

    Often a disqualification can occur because of the job of the Councillor
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,987
    surbiton said:

    Fairford North: CON HOLD. Doubt it.

    Lack of Kipper standing will help Tories.
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    edited February 2017
    Although disqualified for non attendance , the Ratepayer in Fylde will be re elected easily . The Conservative plot to remove him will backfire on them badly .
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Jon Trickett has been promoted out of his role as campaign coordinator. Not sacked. Definitely not.
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,987

    Although disqualified for non attendance , the Ratepayer in Fylde will be re elected easily . The Conservative plot to remove him will backfire on them badly .

    He claims agoraphobia.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,820
    edited February 2017

    Although disqualified for non attendance , the Ratepayer in Fylde will be re elected easily . The Conservative plot to remove him will backfire on them badly .

    Are the plot and the disqualification separate things? Because if they didn't attend, it doesn't take a plot to mean a by-election must occur due to disqualification, surely, unless there was a good reason for the absence and the council refused to authorise it?
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,030
    Apple 'optimistic' about post Brexit UK
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38920860
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    kle4 said:

    Although disqualified for non attendance , the Ratepayer in Fylde will be re elected easily . The Conservative plot to remove him will backfire on them badly .

    Are the plot and the disqualification separate things? Because if they didn't attend, it doesn't take a plot to mean a by-election must occur due to disqualification, surely, unless there was a good reason for the absence and the council refused to authorise it?
    He has severe agoraphobia . The council is allowed to waive the 6 month rule in circumstances they feel justified but apparently the Conservatives insisted on it .
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    BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 7,996
    The weather tonight will test which Party's supporters are the most determined to vote.

    1°C with snow flurries in Waterside on North Norfolk.

    Very low turnout with the angriest, most determined electors actually going out to vote.
    So I predict a LibDem gain in at least two of these seats.
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    maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,391

    kle4 said:

    Although disqualified for non attendance , the Ratepayer in Fylde will be re elected easily . The Conservative plot to remove him will backfire on them badly .

    Are the plot and the disqualification separate things? Because if they didn't attend, it doesn't take a plot to mean a by-election must occur due to disqualification, surely, unless there was a good reason for the absence and the council refused to authorise it?
    He has severe agoraphobia . The council is allowed to waive the 6 month rule in circumstances they feel justified but apparently the Conservatives insisted on it .
    Why on earth does he want to win a position he is entirely unable to fulfill?
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    Totally off topic

    Trump being blamed for Twitters negative success story.

    Richard Kramer of Arete Research told CNBC that the president’s tweeting may deter brands from advertising on Twitter due to fear of the current extreme polarization among Americans over politics. “I think whatever your political views, it’s clear that Trump is extremely divisive, and this isn’t really a positive for advertisers,” said Kramer.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,758
    edited February 2017
    HYUFD said:

    Apple 'optimistic' about post Brexit UK
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38920860

    bastards

    dont they read William Glenn ?
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,946

    kle4 said:

    Although disqualified for non attendance , the Ratepayer in Fylde will be re elected easily . The Conservative plot to remove him will backfire on them badly .

    Are the plot and the disqualification separate things? Because if they didn't attend, it doesn't take a plot to mean a by-election must occur due to disqualification, surely, unless there was a good reason for the absence and the council refused to authorise it?
    He has severe agoraphobia . The council is allowed to waive the 6 month rule in circumstances they feel justified but apparently the Conservatives insisted on it .
    To be honest, severe agrophobia presumably makes canvassing/campaigning/actually doing the role quite difficult, no?
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    TudorRoseTudorRose Posts: 1,662
    Mortimer said:

    kle4 said:

    Although disqualified for non attendance , the Ratepayer in Fylde will be re elected easily . The Conservative plot to remove him will backfire on them badly .

    Are the plot and the disqualification separate things? Because if they didn't attend, it doesn't take a plot to mean a by-election must occur due to disqualification, surely, unless there was a good reason for the absence and the council refused to authorise it?
    He has severe agoraphobia . The council is allowed to waive the 6 month rule in circumstances they feel justified but apparently the Conservatives insisted on it .
    To be honest, severe agrophobia presumably makes canvassing/campaigning/actually doing the role quite difficult, no?
    But wouldn't the council be required to make a reasonable adjustment like allowing him/her to Skype?
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    maaarsh said:

    kle4 said:

    Although disqualified for non attendance , the Ratepayer in Fylde will be re elected easily . The Conservative plot to remove him will backfire on them badly .

    Are the plot and the disqualification separate things? Because if they didn't attend, it doesn't take a plot to mean a by-election must occur due to disqualification, surely, unless there was a good reason for the absence and the council refused to authorise it?
    He has severe agoraphobia . The council is allowed to waive the 6 month rule in circumstances they feel justified but apparently the Conservatives insisted on it .
    Why on earth does he want to win a position he is entirely unable to fulfill?
    See: http://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/news/councillor-loses-seat-over-illness-1-8190655

    An interesting and sad case. Agoraphobia is a terrible illness, and it seems this chap felt he was able to do a reasonable job using phone and IT.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,013
    dixiedean said:

    Although disqualified for non attendance , the Ratepayer in Fylde will be re elected easily . The Conservative plot to remove him will backfire on them badly .

    He claims agoraphobia.
    I hate those damn rabbits too
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,013
    weejonnie said:

    Totally off topic

    Trump being blamed for Twitters negative success story.

    Richard Kramer of Arete Research told CNBC that the president’s tweeting may deter brands from advertising on Twitter due to fear of the current extreme polarization among Americans over politics. “I think whatever your political views, it’s clear that Trump is extremely divisive, and this isn’t really a positive for advertisers,” said Kramer.

    I cofounded Arete with Richard
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    First....and anybody who says I wasn't is spreading fake news, like the bbc and their stories of problems in the labour party...everybody knows i am always first to a new thread...as we work to make new threads great again.

    These new threads will be so great, you won't believe it.
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    maaarsh said:

    kle4 said:

    Although disqualified for non attendance , the Ratepayer in Fylde will be re elected easily . The Conservative plot to remove him will backfire on them badly .

    Are the plot and the disqualification separate things? Because if they didn't attend, it doesn't take a plot to mean a by-election must occur due to disqualification, surely, unless there was a good reason for the absence and the council refused to authorise it?
    He has severe agoraphobia . The council is allowed to waive the 6 month rule in circumstances they feel justified but apparently the Conservatives insisted on it .
    Why on earth does he want to win a position he is entirely unable to fulfill?
    The result tonight will show the voters think he is doing a great job .
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,820
    edited February 2017

    kle4 said:

    Although disqualified for non attendance , the Ratepayer in Fylde will be re elected easily . The Conservative plot to remove him will backfire on them badly .

    Are the plot and the disqualification separate things? Because if they didn't attend, it doesn't take a plot to mean a by-election must occur due to disqualification, surely, unless there was a good reason for the absence and the council refused to authorise it?
    He has severe agoraphobia . The council is allowed to waive the 6 month rule in circumstances they feel justified but apparently the Conservatives insisted on it .
    Harsh to insist on given medical grounds. I've seen several areas grant such 'leaves of absence' from attendance on medical grounds with no dissent.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,030

    HYUFD said:

    Apple 'optimistic' about post Brexit UK
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38920860

    bastards

    dont they read William Glenn ?
    Clearly one of the world's most successful companies has not got the Glenn memo!
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,820
    maaarsh said:

    kle4 said:

    Although disqualified for non attendance , the Ratepayer in Fylde will be re elected easily . The Conservative plot to remove him will backfire on them badly .

    Are the plot and the disqualification separate things? Because if they didn't attend, it doesn't take a plot to mean a by-election must occur due to disqualification, surely, unless there was a good reason for the absence and the council refused to authorise it?
    He has severe agoraphobia . The council is allowed to waive the 6 month rule in circumstances they feel justified but apparently the Conservatives insisted on it .
    Why on earth does he want to win a position he is entirely unable to fulfill?
    There are different aspects to the councillor role. How much of it should be attending formal meetings in person may depend on the individual, though in most cases it would not be hard to at least show up for full council meetings even if you have no interest in serving on any other committees a council may have, focusing on other aspects. I imagine most people would find it hard to fulfill the other roles without getting out and about, but we shall see what the local people think on that front.
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    alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    Has anyone made a Trump-Borgia analogy yet?
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,758
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Apple 'optimistic' about post Brexit UK
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38920860

    bastards

    dont they read William Glenn ?
    Clearly one of the world's most successful companies has not got the Glenn memo!
    meanwhile as Greece burns , the Germans have a party

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38918804
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    kle4 said:

    maaarsh said:

    kle4 said:

    Although disqualified for non attendance , the Ratepayer in Fylde will be re elected easily . The Conservative plot to remove him will backfire on them badly .

    Are the plot and the disqualification separate things? Because if they didn't attend, it doesn't take a plot to mean a by-election must occur due to disqualification, surely, unless there was a good reason for the absence and the council refused to authorise it?
    He has severe agoraphobia . The council is allowed to waive the 6 month rule in circumstances they feel justified but apparently the Conservatives insisted on it .
    Why on earth does he want to win a position he is entirely unable to fulfill?
    There are different aspects to the councillor role. How much of it should be attending formal meetings in person may depend on the individual, though in most cases it would not be hard to at least show up for full council meetings even if you have no interest in serving on any other committees a council may have, focusing on other aspects. I imagine most people would find it hard to fulfill the other roles without getting out and about, but we shall see what the local people think on that front.
    In this technological age it would be possible to attend council meetings via Skype .
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,930

    maaarsh said:

    kle4 said:

    Although disqualified for non attendance , the Ratepayer in Fylde will be re elected easily . The Conservative plot to remove him will backfire on them badly .

    Are the plot and the disqualification separate things? Because if they didn't attend, it doesn't take a plot to mean a by-election must occur due to disqualification, surely, unless there was a good reason for the absence and the council refused to authorise it?
    He has severe agoraphobia . The council is allowed to waive the 6 month rule in circumstances they feel justified but apparently the Conservatives insisted on it .
    Why on earth does he want to win a position he is entirely unable to fulfill?
    The result tonight will show the voters think he is doing a great job .
    Most councillor work can be done from home these days, I think. I assume from your comment he is a conscientious councillor who deals with his ward's issues.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,030

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Apple 'optimistic' about post Brexit UK
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38920860

    bastards

    dont they read William Glenn ?
    Clearly one of the world's most successful companies has not got the Glenn memo!
    meanwhile as Greece burns , the Germans have a party

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38918804
    Germany still holds most of the cards, yes
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    Pulpstar said:

    maaarsh said:

    kle4 said:

    Although disqualified for non attendance , the Ratepayer in Fylde will be re elected easily . The Conservative plot to remove him will backfire on them badly .

    Are the plot and the disqualification separate things? Because if they didn't attend, it doesn't take a plot to mean a by-election must occur due to disqualification, surely, unless there was a good reason for the absence and the council refused to authorise it?
    He has severe agoraphobia . The council is allowed to waive the 6 month rule in circumstances they feel justified but apparently the Conservatives insisted on it .
    Why on earth does he want to win a position he is entirely unable to fulfill?
    The result tonight will show the voters think he is doing a great job .
    Most councillor work can be done from home these days, I think. I assume from your comment he is a conscientious councillor who deals with his ward's issues.
    If he was running the local Post Office he probably knew more about what was going on and what locals thought than any of the other councillors !!
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    rcs1000 said:

    dixiedean said:

    Although disqualified for non attendance , the Ratepayer in Fylde will be re elected easily . The Conservative plot to remove him will backfire on them badly .

    He claims agoraphobia.
    I hate those damn rabbits too
    lagos is Rabbit, surely? Agora is marketplace.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,820

    kle4 said:

    maaarsh said:

    kle4 said:

    Although disqualified for non attendance , the Ratepayer in Fylde will be re elected easily . The Conservative plot to remove him will backfire on them badly .

    Are the plot and the disqualification separate things? Because if they didn't attend, it doesn't take a plot to mean a by-election must occur due to disqualification, surely, unless there was a good reason for the absence and the council refused to authorise it?
    He has severe agoraphobia . The council is allowed to waive the 6 month rule in circumstances they feel justified but apparently the Conservatives insisted on it .
    Why on earth does he want to win a position he is entirely unable to fulfill?
    There are different aspects to the councillor role. How much of it should be attending formal meetings in person may depend on the individual, though in most cases it would not be hard to at least show up for full council meetings even if you have no interest in serving on any other committees a council may have, focusing on other aspects. I imagine most people would find it hard to fulfill the other roles without getting out and about, but we shall see what the local people think on that front.
    In this technological age it would be possible to attend council meetings via Skype .
    I've heard that can count as meeting legal requirements to attend in Scotland, but is not yet the case in England - anyone know? I can see it being an issue in terms of when confidential information is discussed.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,758
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Apple 'optimistic' about post Brexit UK
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38920860

    bastards

    dont they read William Glenn ?
    Clearly one of the world's most successful companies has not got the Glenn memo!
    meanwhile as Greece burns , the Germans have a party

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38918804
    Germany still holds most of the cards, yes
    hmmm

    I must say, as someone who is a genuine germanophile, this really is Germany at its worst.

    They knew the Greeks should never have gone in to the Euro, but contrived to turn a blind eye

    Now when its all gone tits up they have run from their repsonsibility to help them out of a mess they helped create and are piling endless misery on a helpless people

    Appalling
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    Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    maaarsh said:

    kle4 said:

    Although disqualified for non attendance , the Ratepayer in Fylde will be re elected easily . The Conservative plot to remove him will backfire on them badly .

    Are the plot and the disqualification separate things? Because if they didn't attend, it doesn't take a plot to mean a by-election must occur due to disqualification, surely, unless there was a good reason for the absence and the council refused to authorise it?
    He has severe agoraphobia . The council is allowed to waive the 6 month rule in circumstances they feel justified but apparently the Conservatives insisted on it .
    Why on earth does he want to win a position he is entirely unable to fulfill?
    Because you get paid? And with extra responsibilities you get paid more.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited February 2017
    weejonnie said:

    Totally off topic

    Trump being blamed for Twitters negative success story.

    Richard Kramer of Arete Research told CNBC that the president’s tweeting may deter brands from advertising on Twitter due to fear of the current extreme polarization among Americans over politics. “I think whatever your political views, it’s clear that Trump is extremely divisive, and this isn’t really a positive for advertisers,” said Kramer.

    Just utter horseshit....advertisers aren't keen on Twitter because Twitter don't know who their users are and what they like. Facebook on the other hand probably know what colour pants you are wearing.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,172
    edited February 2017
    More breaking Laird Ted news.

    'Trump’s EU ambassador pick was ‘head’ of non-existent Scots body

    But in his book, he suggests his role in Scottish education was far more extensive, involving oversight of the accounts at not only Aberdeen, but Edinburgh, Glasgow and St Andrew’s universities. He wrote that as part of the position, “my charge was to bring them into the twenty-first century financially.” However, there is no record of an Ancient Scottish Universities Trust. A spokeswoman for Universities Scotland, the representative body of Scotland’s 19 higher education institutions, told The Scotsman it had no knowledge of an organisation by that name.'

    http://tinyurl.com/j7dnxh8

    I sense a 'selective quotes taken out of context' statement is in the offing.
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    Are we all watching bbc2 take on the rise of popularism across the EU?
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,946

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Apple 'optimistic' about post Brexit UK
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38920860

    bastards

    dont they read William Glenn ?
    Clearly one of the world's most successful companies has not got the Glenn memo!
    meanwhile as Greece burns , the Germans have a party

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38918804
    Germany still holds most of the cards, yes
    hmmm

    I must say, as someone who is a genuine germanophile, this really is Germany at its worst.

    They knew the Greeks should never have gone in to the Euro, but contrived to turn a blind eye

    Now when its all gone tits up they have run from their repsonsibility to help them out of a mess they helped create and are piling endless misery on a helpless people

    Appalling
    Especially as including Greece in the bloc likely helped to surpress the Euro, too.

    The major block to Eurofederalism will always be Germany's unwillingness
    To leave the current cushy position.
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,851

    I must say, as someone who is a genuine germanophile...

    I'll just leave that hanging there, I think...
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    GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,081
    Is there any disadvantage to running a trade surplus?
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,758
    edited February 2017
    viewcode said:

    I must say, as someone who is a genuine germanophile...

    I'll just leave that hanging there, I think...
    just let it hang

    Germany is a fantastic country, I worked there for 5 years
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,987
    edited February 2017
    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    maaarsh said:

    kle4 said:

    Although disqualified for non attendance , the Ratepayer in Fylde will be re elected easily . The Conservative plot to remove him will backfire on them badly .

    Are the plot and the disqualification separate things? Because if they didn't attend, it doesn't take a plot to mean a by-election must occur due to disqualification, surely, unless there was a good reason for the absence and the council refused to authorise it?
    He has severe agoraphobia . The council is allowed to waive the 6 month rule in circumstances they feel justified but apparently the Conservatives insisted on it .
    Why on earth does he want to win a position he is entirely unable to fulfill?
    There are different aspects to the councillor role. How much of it should be attending formal meetings in person may depend on the individual, though in most cases it would not be hard to at least show up for full council meetings even if you have no interest in serving on any other committees a council may have, focusing on other aspects. I imagine most people would find it hard to fulfill the other roles without getting out and about, but we shall see what the local people think on that front.
    In this technological age it would be possible to attend council meetings via Skype .
    I've heard that can count as meeting legal requirements to attend in Scotland, but is not yet the case in England - anyone know? I can see it being an issue in terms of when confidential information is discussed.
    Skype is confidential enough for counselling. (My other half is a psychotherapist). Informed risk is appropriate, as the US govt may be watching. Not sure they're bothered about Fylde DC too much though.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    kle4 said:

    Although disqualified for non attendance , the Ratepayer in Fylde will be re elected easily . The Conservative plot to remove him will backfire on them badly .

    Are the plot and the disqualification separate things? Because if they didn't attend, it doesn't take a plot to mean a by-election must occur due to disqualification, surely, unless there was a good reason for the absence and the council refused to authorise it?
    He has severe agoraphobia . The council is allowed to waive the 6 month rule in circumstances they feel justified but apparently the Conservatives insisted on it .
    The intention is to allow someone with a serious but temporary issue (e.g. chemotherapy) to be away for an extended period.

    Unless you are expecting his agrophobia to be miraculously cured then it's not unreasonable that he should step aside and let someone else represent his constituents
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,851

    viewcode said:

    I must say, as someone who is a genuine germanophile...

    I'll just leave that hanging there, I think...
    just let it hang

    Germany is a fantastic country, I worked there for 5 years
    And yet...
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,930

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Apple 'optimistic' about post Brexit UK
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38920860

    bastards

    dont they read William Glenn ?
    Clearly one of the world's most successful companies has not got the Glenn memo!
    meanwhile as Greece burns , the Germans have a party

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38918804
    Germany still holds most of the cards, yes
    hmmm

    I must say, as someone who is a genuine germanophile, this really is Germany at its worst.

    They knew the Greeks should never have gone in to the Euro, but contrived to turn a blind eye

    Now when its all gone tits up they have run from their repsonsibility to help them out of a mess they helped create and are piling endless misery on a helpless people

    Appalling
    Thats what a real economy looks like, not one based on people lashing up their credit cards in nail bars.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,758
    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    I must say, as someone who is a genuine germanophile...

    I'll just leave that hanging there, I think...
    just let it hang

    Germany is a fantastic country, I worked there for 5 years
    And yet...
    no idea where youre coming from
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,758
    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Apple 'optimistic' about post Brexit UK
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38920860

    bastards

    dont they read William Glenn ?
    Clearly one of the world's most successful companies has not got the Glenn memo!
    meanwhile as Greece burns , the Germans have a party

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38918804
    Germany still holds most of the cards, yes
    hmmm

    I must say, as someone who is a genuine germanophile, this really is Germany at its worst.

    They knew the Greeks should never have gone in to the Euro, but contrived to turn a blind eye

    Now when its all gone tits up they have run from their repsonsibility to help them out of a mess they helped create and are piling endless misery on a helpless people

    Appalling
    Thats what a real economy looks like, not one based on people lashing up their credit cards in nail bars.
    yup

    remember the days when our politicans said they aspired to a high wage high skill economy ?

    whereas now its just shit cheap immigrant labour
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,030

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Apple 'optimistic' about post Brexit UK
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38920860

    bastards

    dont they read William Glenn ?
    Clearly one of the world's most successful companies has not got the Glenn memo!
    meanwhile as Greece burns , the Germans have a party

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38918804
    Germany still holds most of the cards, yes
    hmmm

    I must say, as someone who is a genuine germanophile, this really is Germany at its worst.

    They knew the Greeks should never have gone in to the Euro, but contrived to turn a blind eye

    Now when its all gone tits up they have run from their repsonsibility to help them out of a mess they helped create and are piling endless misery on a helpless people

    Appalling
    The Greeks did not have to join the Euro
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    maaarsh said:

    kle4 said:

    Although disqualified for non attendance , the Ratepayer in Fylde will be re elected easily . The Conservative plot to remove him will backfire on them badly .

    Are the plot and the disqualification separate things? Because if they didn't attend, it doesn't take a plot to mean a by-election must occur due to disqualification, surely, unless there was a good reason for the absence and the council refused to authorise it?
    He has severe agoraphobia . The council is allowed to waive the 6 month rule in circumstances they feel justified but apparently the Conservatives insisted on it .
    Why on earth does he want to win a position he is entirely unable to fulfill?
    See: http://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/news/councillor-loses-seat-over-illness-1-8190655

    An interesting and sad case. Agoraphobia is a terrible illness, and it seems this chap felt he was able to do a reasonable job using phone and IT.
    I note from the article that the council can only make a dispensation of he asks for it and the gentleman in question did not
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    Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256

    Are we all watching bbc2 take on the rise of popularism across the EU?

    No. I am watching YouTube on replacing standing rigging and the advantages of hi-mod fittings over rod-rigging
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,758
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Apple 'optimistic' about post Brexit UK
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38920860

    bastards

    dont they read William Glenn ?
    Clearly one of the world's most successful companies has not got the Glenn memo!
    meanwhile as Greece burns , the Germans have a party

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38918804
    Germany still holds most of the cards, yes
    hmmm

    I must say, as someone who is a genuine germanophile, this really is Germany at its worst.

    They knew the Greeks should never have gone in to the Euro, but contrived to turn a blind eye

    Now when its all gone tits up they have run from their repsonsibility to help them out of a mess they helped create and are piling endless misery on a helpless people

    Appalling
    The Greeks did not have to join the Euro
    of course not, and the rest of Europe didnt have to let them
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Silvio's party want the Germans kicked out of the Euro.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Apple 'optimistic' about post Brexit UK
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38920860

    bastards

    dont they read William Glenn ?
    Clearly one of the world's most successful companies has not got the Glenn memo!
    meanwhile as Greece burns , the Germans have a party

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38918804
    Germany still holds most of the cards, yes
    hmmm

    I must say, as someone who is a genuine germanophile, this really is Germany at its worst.

    They knew the Greeks should never have gone in to the Euro, but contrived to turn a blind eye

    Now when its all gone tits up they have run from their repsonsibility to help them out of a mess they helped create and are piling endless misery on a helpless people

    Appalling
    Thats what a real economy looks like, not one based on people lashing up their credit cards in nail bars.
    Bloody Germans,
    combining a high wage, manufacturing economy with liberal democracy. Breaks all the rules of the protectionist nationalists.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Are we all watching bbc2 take on the rise of popularism across the EU?

    No. I am watching YouTube on replacing standing rigging and the advantages of hi-mod fittings over rod-rigging
    Hello sailor!
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    Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905

    Is there any disadvantage to running a trade surplus?

    1. If your economy is disproportionately dependent upon trade (external demand) relative to consumer spending (internal demand) then it leaves you potentially much more vulnerable to downturns elsewhere in the world; and (more importantly,)
    2. It's beggar-thy-neighbour economics. You sell stuff to the deficit nations until they begin to buckle under the weight of the debts they need to take out to buy it. They don't thank you for your policies, and you lose their custom at the same time.

    Large and continuous trade surpluses are unsustainable in the long term. If something can't continue forever then, logically, it MUST - at some point - stop. And then you have to pay the price for this.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,013

    rcs1000 said:

    dixiedean said:

    Although disqualified for non attendance , the Ratepayer in Fylde will be re elected easily . The Conservative plot to remove him will backfire on them badly .

    He claims agoraphobia.
    I hate those damn rabbits too
    lagos is Rabbit, surely? Agora is marketplace.
    Have you never had a jumper made of agora wool?
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,820
    Charles said:

    maaarsh said:

    kle4 said:

    Although disqualified for non attendance , the Ratepayer in Fylde will be re elected easily . The Conservative plot to remove him will backfire on them badly .

    Are the plot and the disqualification separate things? Because if they didn't attend, it doesn't take a plot to mean a by-election must occur due to disqualification, surely, unless there was a good reason for the absence and the council refused to authorise it?
    He has severe agoraphobia . The council is allowed to waive the 6 month rule in circumstances they feel justified but apparently the Conservatives insisted on it .
    Why on earth does he want to win a position he is entirely unable to fulfill?
    See: http://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/news/councillor-loses-seat-over-illness-1-8190655

    An interesting and sad case. Agoraphobia is a terrible illness, and it seems this chap felt he was able to do a reasonable job using phone and IT.
    I note from the article that the council can only make a dispensation of he asks for it and the gentleman in question did not
    Well if that is the case then it would seem there was indeed no plot and thus no blame to attach.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,013

    Is there any disadvantage to running a trade surplus?

    1. If your economy is disproportionately dependent upon trade (external demand) relative to consumer spending (internal demand) then it leaves you potentially much more vulnerable to downturns elsewhere in the world; and (more importantly,)
    2. It's beggar-thy-neighbour economics. You sell stuff to the deficit nations until they begin to buckle under the weight of the debts they need to take out to buy it. They don't thank you for your policies, and you lose their custom at the same time.

    Large and continuous trade surpluses are unsustainable in the long term. If something can't continue forever then, logically, it MUST - at some point - stop. And then you have to pay the price for this.
    And vice versa.

    And trust me, the adjustment from too large a surplus is a lot less painful than the one from too large a deficit.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,030

    Is there any disadvantage to running a trade surplus?

    1. If your economy is disproportionately dependent upon trade (external demand) relative to consumer spending (internal demand) then it leaves you potentially much more vulnerable to downturns elsewhere in the world; and (more importantly,)
    2. It's beggar-thy-neighbour economics. You sell stuff to the deficit nations until they begin to buckle under the weight of the debts they need to take out to buy it. They don't thank you for your policies, and you lose their custom at the same time.

    Large and continuous trade surpluses are unsustainable in the long term. If something can't continue forever then, logically, it MUST - at some point - stop. And then you have to pay the price for this.
    Maybe but I expect most nations would rather be in Germany's position on trade than their own
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    Well Guy wants an EU army and proper EU government.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    dixiedean said:

    Although disqualified for non attendance , the Ratepayer in Fylde will be re elected easily . The Conservative plot to remove him will backfire on them badly .

    He claims agoraphobia.
    I hate those damn rabbits too
    lagos is Rabbit, surely? Agora is marketplace.
    Have you never had a jumper made of agora wool?
    I have one of angora (goat) wool...
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,030

    Are we all watching bbc2 take on the rise of popularism across the EU?

    No, Chicago Fire on 5USA
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,030
    edited February 2017

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Apple 'optimistic' about post Brexit UK
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38920860

    bastards

    dont they read William Glenn ?
    Clearly one of the world's most successful companies has not got the Glenn memo!
    meanwhile as Greece burns , the Germans have a party

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38918804
    Germany still holds most of the cards, yes
    hmmm

    I must say, as someone who is a genuine germanophile, this really is Germany at its worst.

    They knew the Greeks should never have gone in to the Euro, but contrived to turn a blind eye

    Now when its all gone tits up they have run from their repsonsibility to help them out of a mess they helped create and are piling endless misery on a helpless people

    Appalling
    The Greeks did not have to join the Euro
    of course not, and the rest of Europe didnt have to let them
    Perhaps but it was the Greeks who took the risk
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    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    dixiedean said:

    Although disqualified for non attendance , the Ratepayer in Fylde will be re elected easily . The Conservative plot to remove him will backfire on them badly .

    He claims agoraphobia.
    I hate those damn rabbits too
    lagos is Rabbit, surely? Agora is marketplace.
    Have you never had a jumper made of agora wool?
    Excuse me nobody should have a problem with rabbits
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    edited February 2017

    Well Guy wants an EU army and proper EU government.

    With a pooled EU budget from common taxation and with more substantial transfers? Just like prominent voices in France and Italy.

    The Germans are being encircled.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,610

    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Apple 'optimistic' about post Brexit UK
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38920860

    bastards

    dont they read William Glenn ?
    Clearly one of the world's most successful companies has not got the Glenn memo!
    meanwhile as Greece burns , the Germans have a party

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38918804
    Germany still holds most of the cards, yes
    hmmm

    I must say, as someone who is a genuine germanophile, this really is Germany at its worst.

    They knew the Greeks should never have gone in to the Euro, but contrived to turn a blind eye

    Now when its all gone tits up they have run from their repsonsibility to help them out of a mess they helped create and are piling endless misery on a helpless people

    Appalling
    Thats what a real economy looks like, not one based on people lashing up their credit cards in nail bars.
    Bloody Germans,
    combining a high wage, manufacturing economy with liberal democracy. Breaks all the rules of the protectionist nationalists.
    Yes. All it took was impoverishing Southern Europe and locking in a 40% undervaluation in their currency. Dick.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,030
    chestnut said:

    Well Guy wants an EU army and proper EU government.

    With a pooled EU budget? Just like prominent voices in France and Italy.

    The Germans are being encircled.
    The Germans can always pull the plug on the whole EU project if they feel it fails to serve their interests
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    North Norfolk should be interesting, the last bastion at Westminster of the rural poor Liberal in the East of England.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,758
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Apple 'optimistic' about post Brexit UK
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38920860

    bastards

    dont they read William Glenn ?
    Clearly one of the world's most successful companies has not got the Glenn memo!
    meanwhile as Greece burns , the Germans have a party

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38918804
    Germany still holds most of the cards, yes
    hmmm

    I must say, as someone who is a genuine germanophile, this really is Germany at its worst.

    They knew the Greeks should never have gone in to the Euro, but contrived to turn a blind eye

    Now when its all gone tits up they have run from their repsonsibility to help them out of a mess they helped create and are piling endless misery on a helpless people

    Appalling
    The Greeks did not have to join the Euro
    of course not, and the rest of Europe didnt have to let them
    Perhaps but it was the Greeks who took the risk
    Nah both sides made it happen

    Europe bent the rules to let them in, they are complicit in the mess
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    MaxPB said:

    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Apple 'optimistic' about post Brexit UK
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38920860

    bastards

    dont they read William Glenn ?
    Clearly one of the world's most successful companies has not got the Glenn memo!
    meanwhile as Greece burns , the Germans have a party

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38918804
    Germany still holds most of the cards, yes
    hmmm

    I must say, as someone who is a genuine germanophile, this really is Germany at its worst.

    They knew the Greeks should never have gone in to the Euro, but contrived to turn a blind eye

    Now when its all gone tits up they have run from their repsonsibility to help them out of a mess they helped create and are piling endless misery on a helpless people

    Appalling
    Thats what a real economy looks like, not one based on people lashing up their credit cards in nail bars.
    Bloody Germans,
    combining a high wage, manufacturing economy with liberal democracy. Breaks all the rules of the protectionist nationalists.
    Yes. All it took was impoverishing Southern Europe and locking in a 40% undervaluation in their currency. Dick.
    Serial devaluation and inflation solves no problems, as we will shortly find out.
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    AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621

    Are we all watching bbc2 take on the rise of popularism across the EU?

    No. I am watching YouTube on replacing standing rigging and the advantages of hi-mod fittings over rod-rigging
    Who'd have thought putting up a sex-swing was so complicated. Stick to hammocks, I say,
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    edited February 2017
    HYUFD said:

    chestnut said:

    Well Guy wants an EU army and proper EU government.

    With a pooled EU budget? Just like prominent voices in France and Italy.

    The Germans are being encircled.
    The Germans can always pull the plug on the whole EU project if they feel it fails to serve their interests
    Or they could be the evicted?

    Who is the anomaly in the EZ? The Greeks or the Germans?
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    Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256

    Are we all watching bbc2 take on the rise of popularism across the EU?

    No. I am watching YouTube on replacing standing rigging and the advantages of hi-mod fittings over rod-rigging
    Hello sailor!
    Aaaharrr me hearties! Shiver me timbers!! :D
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,030

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Apple 'optimistic' about post Brexit UK
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38920860

    bastards

    dont they read William Glenn ?
    Clearly one of the world's most successful companies has not got the Glenn memo!
    meanwhile as Greece burns , the Germans have a party

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38918804
    Germany still holds most of the cards, yes
    hmmm

    I must say, as someone who is a genuine germanophile, this really is Germany at its worst.

    They knew the Greeks should never have gone in to the Euro, but contrived to turn a blind eye

    Now when its all gone tits up they have run from their repsonsibility to help them out of a mess they helped create and are piling endless misery on a helpless people

    Appalling
    The Greeks did not have to join the Euro
    of course not, and the rest of Europe didnt have to let them
    Perhaps but it was the Greeks who took the risk
    Nah both sides made it happen

    Europe bent the rules to let them in, they are complicit in the mess
    Yes but it is the Greeks who will feel the most pain if they have to get out
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,030
    chestnut said:

    HYUFD said:

    chestnut said:

    Well Guy wants an EU army and proper EU government.

    With a pooled EU budget? Just like prominent voices in France and Italy.

    The Germans are being encircled.
    The Germans can always pull the plug on the whole EU project if they feel it fails to serve their interests
    Or they could be the evicted?

    Who is the anomaly in the EZ? The Greeks or the Germans?
    The Germans fund the EU and comprise the largest number of MEPs, if they go so effectively does the EU
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,930

    Is there any disadvantage to running a trade surplus?

    1. If your economy is disproportionately dependent upon trade (external demand) relative to consumer spending (internal demand) then it leaves you potentially much more vulnerable to downturns elsewhere in the world; and (more importantly,)
    2. It's beggar-thy-neighbour economics. You sell stuff to the deficit nations until they begin to buckle under the weight of the debts they need to take out to buy it. They don't thank you for your policies, and you lose their custom at the same time.

    Large and continuous trade surpluses are unsustainable in the long term. If something can't continue forever then, logically, it MUST - at some point - stop. And then you have to pay the price for this.
    Selling too much stuff. We discuss this problem regularly in my company.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,610

    MaxPB said:

    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Apple 'optimistic' about post Brexit UK
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38920860

    bastards

    dont they read William Glenn ?
    Clearly one of the world's most successful companies has not got the Glenn memo!
    meanwhile as Greece burns , the Germans have a party

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38918804
    Germany still holds most of the cards, yes
    hmmm

    I must say, as someone who is a genuine germanophile, this really is Germany at its worst.

    They knew the Greeks should never have gone in to the Euro, but contrived to turn a blind eye

    Now when its all gone tits up they have run from their repsonsibility to help them out of a mess they helped create and are piling endless misery on a helpless people

    Appalling
    Thats what a real economy looks like, not one based on people lashing up their credit cards in nail bars.
    Bloody Germans,
    combining a high wage, manufacturing economy with liberal democracy. Breaks all the rules of the protectionist nationalists.
    Yes. All it took was impoverishing Southern Europe and locking in a 40% undervaluation in their currency. Dick.
    Serial devaluation and inflation solves no problems, as we will shortly find out.
    Are you thick or just being obtuse on purpose? Since you're a doctor I'm hoping it isn't the former.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,758
    edited February 2017
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Apple 'optimistic' about post Brexit UK
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38920860

    bastards

    dont they read William Glenn ?
    Clearly one of the world's most successful companies has not got the Glenn memo!
    meanwhile as Greece burns , the Germans have a party

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38918804
    Germany still holds most of the cards, yes
    hmmm

    I must say, as someone who is a genuine germanophile, this really is Germany at its worst.

    They knew the Greeks should never have gone in to the Euro, but contrived to turn a blind eye

    Now when its all gone tits up they have run from their repsonsibility to help them out of a mess they helped create and are piling endless misery on a helpless people

    Appalling
    The Greeks did not have to join the Euro
    of course not, and the rest of Europe didnt have to let them
    Perhaps but it was the Greeks who took the risk
    Nah both sides made it happen

    Europe bent the rules to let them in, they are complicit in the mess
    Yes but it is the Greeks who will feel the most pain if they have to get out
    theyre screwed

    but the germans havent the moral platform to realise they should man up and help sort out the mess
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    Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    edited February 2017
    Anorak said:

    Are we all watching bbc2 take on the rise of popularism across the EU?

    No. I am watching YouTube on replacing standing rigging and the advantages of hi-mod fittings over rod-rigging
    Who'd have thought putting up a sex-swing was so complicated. Stick to hammocks, I say,
    Sex swings??? If I catch you doing that on my boat I will bring you up with a round-turn and have you whipped with the spinnaker halyard. And you are not to enjoy it!!!
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    Well this BBC2 programme is making it seem like the EU is sinking ship.
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    Are we all watching bbc2 take on the rise of popularism across the EU?

    Anton Yelchin (RIP) and Felicity Jones (of Star Wars: Rogue One fame) in "Like Crazy" on Film 4.
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    Are we all watching bbc2 take on the rise of popularism across the EU?

    No. I am watching YouTube on replacing standing rigging and the advantages of hi-mod fittings over rod-rigging
    Hello sailor!
    Aaaharrr me hearties! Shiver me timbers!! :D
    From your avatar, hopefully you haven't gone and joined those EU luvvies in Sinn Fein!
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Apple 'optimistic' about post Brexit UK
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38920860

    bastards

    dont they read William Glenn ?
    Clearly one of the world's most successful companies has not got the Glenn memo!
    meanwhile as Greece burns , the Germans have a party

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38918804
    Germany still holds most of the cards, yes
    hmmm

    I must say, as someone who is a genuine germanophile, this really is Germany at its worst.

    They knew the Greeks should never have gone in to the Euro, but contrived to turn a blind eye

    Now when its all gone tits up they have run from their repsonsibility to help them out of a mess they helped create and are piling endless misery on a helpless people

    Appalling
    Thats what a real economy looks like, not one based on people lashing up their credit cards in nail bars.
    Bloody Germans,
    combining a high wage, manufacturing economy with liberal democracy. Breaks all the rules of the protectionist nationalists.
    Yes. All it took was impoverishing Southern Europe and locking in a 40% undervaluation in their currency. Dick.
    Serial devaluation and inflation solves no problems, as we will shortly find out.
    Are you thick or just being obtuse on purpose? Since you're a doctor I'm hoping it isn't the former.
    serial devaluation has never been a marker of economic succes. There is no short cut to virtue.
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    AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    dixiedean said:

    Although disqualified for non attendance , the Ratepayer in Fylde will be re elected easily . The Conservative plot to remove him will backfire on them badly .

    He claims agoraphobia.
    I hate those damn rabbits too
    lagos is Rabbit, surely? Agora is marketplace.
    Have you never had a jumper made of agora wool?
    I have one of angora (goat) wool...
    Believe or not, this is an angora rabbit:
    http://www.amusingplanet.com/2014/01/angora-rabbit-world-fluffiest-bunny.html

    Where's Plato when you need her to appreciate a post?
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,946

    Well this BBC2 programme is making it seem like the EU is sinking ship.

    Absolutely. The fall of the wall seems to have been a disaster for Western Europe.
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,472
    weejonnie said:

    Totally off topic

    Trump being blamed for Twitters negative success story.

    Richard Kramer of Arete Research told CNBC that the president’s tweeting may deter brands from advertising on Twitter due to fear of the current extreme polarization among Americans over politics. “I think whatever your political views, it’s clear that Trump is extremely divisive, and this isn’t really a positive for advertisers,” said Kramer.

    Depends what's being advertised.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Anorak said:

    Are we all watching bbc2 take on the rise of popularism across the EU?

    No. I am watching YouTube on replacing standing rigging and the advantages of hi-mod fittings over rod-rigging
    Who'd have thought putting up a sex-swing was so complicated. Stick to hammocks, I say,
    Sex swings??? If I catch you doing that on my boat I will bring you up with a round-turn and have you whipped with the spinnaker halyard. And you are not to enjoy it!!!
    Keel haul the Brexiteers Cap'n Bev!
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    kle4 said:

    Charles said:

    maaarsh said:

    kle4 said:

    Although disqualified for non attendance , the Ratepayer in Fylde will be re elected easily . The Conservative plot to remove him will backfire on them badly .

    Are the plot and the disqualification separate things? Because if they didn't attend, it doesn't take a plot to mean a by-election must occur due to disqualification, surely, unless there was a good reason for the absence and the council refused to authorise it?
    He has severe agoraphobia . The council is allowed to waive the 6 month rule in circumstances they feel justified but apparently the Conservatives insisted on it .
    Why on earth does he want to win a position he is entirely unable to fulfill?
    See: http://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/news/councillor-loses-seat-over-illness-1-8190655

    An interesting and sad case. Agoraphobia is a terrible illness, and it seems this chap felt he was able to do a reasonable job using phone and IT.
    I note from the article that the council can only make a dispensation of he asks for it and the gentleman in question did not
    Well if that is the case then it would seem there was indeed no plot and thus no blame to attach.
    @MarkSenior always sees a plot when the Tories are concerned.
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Apple 'optimistic' about post Brexit UK
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38920860

    bastards

    dont they read William Glenn ?
    Clearly one of the world's most successful companies has not got the Glenn memo!
    meanwhile as Greece burns , the Germans have a party

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38918804
    Germany still holds most of the cards, yes
    hmmm

    I must say, as someone who is a genuine germanophile, this really is Germany at its worst.

    They knew the Greeks should never have gone in to the Euro, but contrived to turn a blind eye

    Now when its all gone tits up they have run from their repsonsibility to help them out of a mess they helped create and are piling endless misery on a helpless people

    Appalling
    Thats what a real economy looks like, not one based on people lashing up their credit cards in nail bars.
    Bloody Germans,
    combining a high wage, manufacturing economy with liberal democracy. Breaks all the rules of the protectionist nationalists.
    Yes. All it took was impoverishing Southern Europe and locking in a 40% undervaluation in their currency. Dick.
    Serial devaluation and inflation solves no problems, as we will shortly find out.
    Are you thick or just being obtuse on purpose? Since you're a doctor I'm hoping it isn't the former.
    serial devaluation has never been a marker of economic succes. There is no short cut to virtue.
    Devaluation only happens in a fixed exchange rate system. Floating currencies 'depreciate'.

    Sterling was $1.05 to the £ in 1985 and far closer to parity with the € in 2008/2009 than it is now.
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    AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited February 2017

    Anorak said:

    Are we all watching bbc2 take on the rise of popularism across the EU?

    No. I am watching YouTube on replacing standing rigging and the advantages of hi-mod fittings over rod-rigging
    Who'd have thought putting up a sex-swing was so complicated. Stick to hammocks, I say,
    Sex swings??? If I catch you doing that on my boat I will bring you up with a round-turn and have you whipped with the spinnaker halyard. And you are not to enjoy it!!!
    Sorry, ma'am. Won't do it again, ma'am. Discipline me if you must, but not with the cat 'o nine tails!
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,851

    Is there any disadvantage to running a trade surplus?

    1. If your economy is disproportionately dependent upon trade (external demand) relative to consumer spending (internal demand) then it leaves you potentially much more vulnerable to downturns elsewhere in the world; and (more importantly,)
    2. It's beggar-thy-neighbour economics. You sell stuff to the deficit nations until they begin to buckle under the weight of the debts they need to take out to buy it. They don't thank you for your policies, and you lose their custom at the same time.

    Large and continuous trade surpluses are unsustainable in the long term. If something can't continue forever then, logically, it MUST - at some point - stop. And then you have to pay the price for this.
    You're assuming the purchasers of the good have to pay for the good with a debt.

    As for the "Large and continuous trade surpluses are unsustainable in the long term"...well yes, just like humanity and the sun and the universe, it will one day stop.

    A trade surplus happens when you export more goods (and services and payments) that you import, yes? Imagine a magic machine that produces free food, medicine and shelter to all humanity instantaneously and uses no power to do so. A tremendous boon to all humanity. Would you switch it off?
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,820

    weejonnie said:

    Totally off topic

    Trump being blamed for Twitters negative success story.

    Richard Kramer of Arete Research told CNBC that the president’s tweeting may deter brands from advertising on Twitter due to fear of the current extreme polarization among Americans over politics. “I think whatever your political views, it’s clear that Trump is extremely divisive, and this isn’t really a positive for advertisers,” said Kramer.

    Depends what's being advertised.
    Marmite sells itself on its divisiveness after all.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Anorak said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    dixiedean said:

    Although disqualified for non attendance , the Ratepayer in Fylde will be re elected easily . The Conservative plot to remove him will backfire on them badly .

    He claims agoraphobia.
    I hate those damn rabbits too
    lagos is Rabbit, surely? Agora is marketplace.
    Have you never had a jumper made of agora wool?
    I have one of angora (goat) wool...
    Believe or not, this is an angora rabbit:
    http://www.amusingplanet.com/2014/01/angora-rabbit-world-fluffiest-bunny.html

    Where's Plato when you need her to appreciate a post?
    Angora in its various forms refers to the Turks of Anatolia (Angora=Ankara?). Quite different to the hearty Greeks in their marketplaces.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,610

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Apple 'optimistic' about post Brexit UK
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38920860

    bastards

    dont they read William Glenn ?
    Clearly one of the world's most successful companies has not got the Glenn memo!
    meanwhile as Greece burns , the Germans have a party

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38918804
    Germany still holds most of the cards, yes
    hmmm

    I must say, as someone who is a genuine germanophile, this really is Germany at its worst.

    They knew the Greeks should never have gone in to the Euro, but contrived to turn a blind eye

    Now when its all gone tits up they have run from their repsonsibility to help them out of a mess they helped create and are piling endless misery on a helpless people

    Appalling
    Thats what a real economy looks like, not one based on people lashing up their credit cards in nail bars.
    Bloody Germans,
    combining a high wage, manufacturing economy with liberal democracy. Breaks all the rules of the protectionist nationalists.
    Yes. All it took was impoverishing Southern Europe and locking in a 40% undervaluation in their currency. Dick.
    Serial devaluation and inflation solves no problems, as we will shortly find out.
    Are you thick or just being obtuse on purpose? Since you're a doctor I'm hoping it isn't the former.
    serial devaluation has never been a marker of economic succes. There is no short cut to virtue.
    I'm rapidly changing my mind to the former option, I weep for the NHS if this is the standard of intelligence in our medical staff.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,030

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Apple 'optimistic' about post Brexit UK
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38920860

    bastards

    dont they read William Glenn ?
    Clearly one of the world's most successful companies has not got the Glenn memo!
    meanwhile as Greece burns , the Germans have a party

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38918804
    Germany still holds most of the cards, yes
    hmmm

    I must say, as someone who is a genuine germanophile, this really is Germany at its worst.

    They knew the Greeks should never have gone in to the Euro, but contrived to turn a blind eye

    Now when its all gone tits up they have run from their repsonsibility to help them out of a mess they helped create and are piling endless misery on a helpless people

    Appalling
    The Greeks did not have to join the Euro
    of course not, and the rest of Europe didnt have to let them
    Perhaps but it was the Greeks who took the risk
    Nah both sides made it happen

    Europe bent the rules to let them in, they are complicit in the mess
    Yes but it is the Greeks who will feel the most pain if they have to get out
    theyre screwed

    but the germans havent the moral platform to realise they should man up and help sort out the mess
    If the Greeks get back on with the task of tackling their deficit they may
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