Does Leave.EU still have the phone banking infrastructure in place from the referendum? If yes I'm inclined to take this poll seriously, they know what they are doing.
Does Leave.EU still have the phone banking infrastructure in place from the referendum? If yes I'm inclined to take this poll seriously, they know what they are doing.
Leave.EU used Survation in the past who were way too optimistic on Ukip in the constituency polls in the 2014 by elections and the 2015 seat polls.
Though their pollster got their exit poll on the EU ref spot on.
Assuming its accurate, the MoE is reasonable, and UKIP's ground game is better than Labour's (or not as bad).
If it is true, the Betfair price is a steal and UKIP should prob be down to 1.4-1.5 off the back of this poll.
PS: I don't think Stokies could give two flying figs whether Nuttall lives in that house or not. Even assuming they hear it (most won't) everyone knows he's a national leader and not local.
If UKIP can win a by-election after May's hard-Brexit and embrace of Trump it would be a terrible result for her.
You couldn't make that comment up. The conservatives have no chance in this seat, have selected a 25 year old novice, and are putting their efforts into Copeland. If, and it is a big if, Nuttall beats labour the terrible result is for Corbyn while TM adds another pro Brexit voting MP
Activists are calling for people to stop working and buying things for a day to bring down Donald Trump.
A national general strike across the US is being called for 17 February – the Friday before President's Day – as a way of protesting the new administration.
Those behind the strike hope that they can cause enough disruption to bring about change in the political system.
If UKIP can win a by-election after May's hard-Brexit and embrace of Trump it would be a terrible result for her.
No. it means you're massively out of touch with Britain. People really dislike the EU and are, in many areas, far more socially than the Tories, let alone the parties of the left.
Given that the removal of Corbyn is a pre-requisite for any possibility of a Labour revival I would love that poll to be accurate, but the lack of any data around it is suspicious. It may also play into Labour's hands. It shows them behind, but not behind enough to definitely lose. It may help to bring out some anti-UKIP voters.
Gareth Snell's comments re Brexit and the people who voted for it surely win this for Ukip? How on earth did he think they wouldn't come back to haunt him, labour supporters should be furious with him for standing
Very sad to hear of the death overnight of Desmond Carrington. He was a radio broadcaster for 70 years and continued to present his Music Goes Around show on Radio 2 until well past his 90th Birthday only stopping last October.
A voice from another era but always a welcome friend on a Friday night.
Given that the removal of Corbyn is a pre-requisite for any possibility of a Labour revival I would love that poll to be accurate, but the lack of any data around it is suspicious. It may also play into Labour's hands. It shows them behind, but not behind enough to definitely lose. It may help to bring out some anti-UKIP voters.
You have to say that Nuttall probably needs conservatives tactically voting for him to win
I think Theresa would much prefer a Labour win in Stoke to keep Corbyn in charge and stop UKIP outflanking her. As a leave voter with UKIPPy tendencies I would like to see Nuttall in parliament as a fresh voice but I would much prefer a smooth Brexit so in a way I would prefer the awful Gareth Snell to sneak home.
I think Theresa would much prefer a Labour win in Stoke to keep Corbyn in charge and stop UKIP outflanking her. As a leave voter with UKIPPy tendencies I would like to see Nuttall in parliament as a fresh voice but I would much prefer a smooth Brexit so in a way I would prefer the awful Gareth Snell to sneak home.
Trump could finish Turnbull if reneges on the refugee deal. Turnbull is already dealing with a good old fashioned donations scandal and dire polls. If he gets tipped out, it won't be for Abbott but probably ScoMo and then an early election which the ALP will win. An ALP government will be absoutely antithetical to whatever Trumps wants as a matter of principle. He can kiss goodbye to the proposed US base in the Northern Territories for a start.
The New Dawn posts on Twitter are good, news summaries from 1997. Oddly enough EU & UK relations keep cropping up.
It's been going on since 1988 for Tories/UKIP, from 1972-1983 for Labour, and rumbling in the background amongst a growing minority who voted in the 1st referendum since 1975.
If UKIP can win a by-election after May's hard-Brexit and embrace of Trump it would be a terrible result for her.
No. it means you're massively out of touch with Britain. People really dislike the EU and are, in many areas, far more socially than the Tories, let alone the parties of the left.
Trump could finish Turnbull if reneges on the refugee deal. Turnbull is already dealing with a good old fashioned donations scandal and dire polls. If he gets tipped out, it won't be for Abbott but probably ScoMo and then an early election which the ALP will win. An ALP government will be absoutely antithetical to whatever Trumps wants as a matter of principle. He can kiss goodbye to the proposed US base in the Northern Territories for a start.
Yep - Trump is busily burning bridges with people he will need at some stage further down the line. It's not a great strategy.
I think Theresa would much prefer a Labour win in Stoke to keep Corbyn in charge and stop UKIP outflanking her. As a leave voter with UKIPPy tendencies I would like to see Nuttall in parliament as a fresh voice but I would much prefer a smooth Brexit so in a way I would prefer the awful Gareth Snell to sneak home.
Snell may have shot himself in the foot with his stupid tweets.
People get that in a way they don't get/care about due process.
Activists are calling for people to stop working and buying things for a day to bring down Donald Trump.
A national general strike across the US is being called for 17 February – the Friday before President's Day – as a way of protesting the new administration.
Those behind the strike hope that they can cause enough disruption to bring about change in the political system.
James Forsyth: It is a striking feature of British politics that we care more about statements by the US President than those of the leaders of the countries with whom we have been in ‘ever closer union’ for 40-odd years.
The truth is that every country in Europe cares more about statements by the US President than those of the leader of a randomly chosen European neighbour.
Angela Merkel is a 'randomly chosen European neighbour'?
I thought she was 'wisely biding her time (she wasn't - Trump didn't return her calls pleading to visit as soon as) and was now the 'leader of the Liberal West' (who wants to ban Burkas)
Activists are calling for people to stop working and buying things for a day to bring down Donald Trump.
A national general strike across the US is being called for 17 February – the Friday before President's Day – as a way of protesting the new administration.
Those behind the strike hope that they can cause enough disruption to bring about change in the political system.
Activists are calling for people to stop working and buying things for a day to bring down Donald Trump.
A national general strike across the US is being called for 17 February – the Friday before President's Day – as a way of protesting the new administration.
Those behind the strike hope that they can cause enough disruption to bring about change in the political system.
Activists are calling for people to stop working and buying things for a day to bring down Donald Trump.
A national general strike across the US is being called for 17 February – the Friday before President's Day – as a way of protesting the new administration.
Those behind the strike hope that they can cause enough disruption to bring about change in the political system.
I think Theresa would much prefer a Labour win in Stoke to keep Corbyn in charge and stop UKIP outflanking her. As a leave voter with UKIPPy tendencies I would like to see Nuttall in parliament as a fresh voice but I would much prefer a smooth Brexit so in a way I would prefer the awful Gareth Snell to sneak home.
Snell may have shot himself in the foot with his stupid tweets.
People get that in a way they don't get/care about due process.
I agree, and think the tweets are very newsworthy. The Stoke Sentinel have covered the Nuttall story though and I'm not sure they have covered the Snell tweets. I think that though Snell's idiocy is a talking point on PB, twitter and Guido it won't necessarily be an issue people on the streets of Stoke are aware of.
I think the key factors that will determine the winner is where is the Brexit debate regarding media coverage in 2 to 3 weeks, and how metropolitan and toxic is Corbyn to people in Stoke. I'm not touching the betting markets but my head says Labour on a low turnout because I don't think any of these UKIP favouring polls carry any weight.
I think Theresa would much prefer a Labour win in Stoke to keep Corbyn in charge and stop UKIP outflanking her. As a leave voter with UKIPPy tendencies I would like to see Nuttall in parliament as a fresh voice but I would much prefer a smooth Brexit so in a way I would prefer the awful Gareth Snell to sneak home.
Snell may have shot himself in the foot with his stupid tweets.
People get that in a way they don't get/care about due process.
I agree, and think the tweets are very newsworthy. The Stoke Sentinel have covered the Nuttall story though and I'm not sure they have covered the Snell tweets. I think that though Snell's idiocy is a talking point on PB, twitter and Guido it won't necessarily be an issue people on the streets of Stoke are aware of.
I think the key factors that will determine the winner is where is the Brexit debate regarding media coverage in 2 to 3 weeks, and how metropolitan and toxic is Corbyn to people in Stoke. I'm not touching the betting markets but my head says Labour on a low turnout because I don't think any of these UKIP favouring polls carry any weight.
Yes, but I can taste the sick in my mouth having laid UKIP here right now.
I've warned repeatedly that Charles is a dipstick who just doesn't get it. Republicanism will have a huge boost when he takes the throne:
I'm not a republican per se, but if it came to that, we shouldn't pass up the opportunity to create a federal UK (assuming Scotland hasn't left by then). I'd solve the 'England's too big' problem by reverting to a version of the historic kingdoms of England. Now that I think about it, even if Scotland has left it would be a good idea.
I'm more interested in why Leave.EU would release this.
To build narrative and momentum.
In 2015 the Tories and UKIP were neck and neck, now they can say only UKIP can beat Labour here.
Perhaps, but then why not show Labour and UKIP neck and neck? There is a danger in making undecided voters think it's all over. If the EU ref polling had overestimated Leave I suspect the result may have been different.
Activists are calling for people to stop working and buying things for a day to bring down Donald Trump.
A national general strike across the US is being called for 17 February – the Friday before President's Day – as a way of protesting the new administration.
Those behind the strike hope that they can cause enough disruption to bring about change in the political system.
Activists are calling for people to stop working and buying things for a day to bring down Donald Trump.
A national general strike across the US is being called for 17 February – the Friday before President's Day – as a way of protesting the new administration.
Those behind the strike hope that they can cause enough disruption to bring about change in the political system.
I've warned repeatedly that Charles is a dipstick who just doesn't get it. Republicanism will have a huge boost when he takes the throne:
I'm not a republican per se, but if it came to that, we shouldn't pass up the opportunity to create a federal UK (assuming Scotland hasn't left by then). I'd solve the 'England's too big' problem by reverting to a version of the historic kingdoms of England.
I'm a monarchist who's exceedingly pissed off at how Charles is going to give monarchy a very bad name and ruin it, and is too stupid to realise it.
He's acquired a number of certainties in his life about how the world works, absolutely believes he's right and - to put it mildly - doesn't exactly relish challenge upon them.
I think Theresa would much prefer a Labour win in Stoke to keep Corbyn in charge and stop UKIP outflanking her. As a leave voter with UKIPPy tendencies I would like to see Nuttall in parliament as a fresh voice but I would much prefer a smooth Brexit so in a way I would prefer the awful Gareth Snell to sneak home.
Snell may have shot himself in the foot with his stupid tweets.
People get that in a way they don't get/care about due process.
I agree, and think the tweets are very newsworthy. The Stoke Sentinel have covered the Nuttall story though and I'm not sure they have covered the Snell tweets. I think that though Snell's idiocy is a talking point on PB, twitter and Guido it won't necessarily be an issue people on the streets of Stoke are aware of.
I think the key factors that will determine the winner is where is the Brexit debate regarding media coverage in 2 to 3 weeks, and how metropolitan and toxic is Corbyn to people in Stoke. I'm not touching the betting markets but my head says Labour on a low turnout because I don't think any of these UKIP favouring polls carry any weight.
You think there won't be leaflets from several of the parties pointing out what Labour's candidates thinks of Stoke's voters? It will be very well known by the time votes start getting cast.
Sargon of Akkad Jesus Christ, this lunatic is actually calling for a fucking coup. https://t.co/jBqVzlBuSO
Sarah Silverman WAKE UP & JOIN THE RESISTANCE. ONCE THE MILITARY IS W US FASCISTS GET OVERTHROWN. MAD KING & HIS HANDLERS GO BYE BYE https://t.co/Y2WZbL012A
I've warned repeatedly that Charles is a dipstick who just doesn't get it. Republicanism will have a huge boost when he takes the throne:
I'm not a republican per se, but if it came to that, we shouldn't pass up the opportunity to create a federal UK (assuming Scotland hasn't left by then). I'd solve the 'England's too big' problem by reverting to a version of the historic kingdoms of England.
I'm a monarchist who's exceedingly pissed off at how Charles is going to give monarchy a very bad name and ruin it, and is too stupid to realise it.
He's acquired a number of certainties in his life about how the world works, absolutely believes he's right and - to put it mildly - doesn't exactly relish challenge upon them.
He brings out the Roundhead in me.
Me too. I'm only a monarchist as long as the system works, and the HoS STFU and isn't a politician.
I'm more interested in why Leave.EU would release this.
To build narrative and momentum.
In 2015 the Tories and UKIP were neck and neck, now they can say only UKIP can beat Labour here.
Perhaps, but then why not show Labour and UKIP neck and neck? There is a danger in making undecided voters think it's all over. If the EU ref polling had overestimated Leave I suspect the result may have been different.
From a psychological point of view I can imagine in a place like Stoke where people vote Labour no matter what for generation after generation it might be an effective tactic to tell people that the masses are voting UKIP this time instead in order to break the cycle and hope some kind of groupthink will push people towards the purples.
Unlike in a lot of constituencies I don't think having UKIP ahead will motivate Labour voters to come out in droves to keep out Nuttall. The Labour vote is diminishing, old school and clearly quite soft in Stoke & very different to the 'stop the right at all costs' sort of Labour voter we see in London and Brighton.
I'm more interested in why Leave.EU would release this.
To build narrative and momentum.
In 2015 the Tories and UKIP were neck and neck, now they can say only UKIP can beat Labour here.
Perhaps, but then why not show Labour and UKIP neck and neck? There is a danger in making undecided voters think it's all over. If the EU ref polling had overestimated Leave I suspect the result may have been different.
If there's one thing I've learned over the years, UKIP are shite at expectations management.
One of the problems of the NI Assembly mechanics is the degree of power given to Sinn Fein and the DUP as the largest-party representatives of their designations. The St Andrews Agreement was a good example of two sides that needed to agree doing so at the expense of third parties. Basically, the government can't operate without either and their position is assured as long as their largest-party status is assured (and for the reasons that Lucien lays out, it will be for the forseeable future).
I'd suggest that a change is needed, though I suspect that it wouldn't be politically possible at the moment, so that a government can be formed as long as it:
- Contains both unionist and nationalist designations. - Contains parties representing at least one-third of both nationalist and unionist designations - Contains parties representing at least one-half of the Assembly.
A party shouldn't be able to bring the Assembly down if there's a viable cross-community alternative.
I've warned repeatedly that Charles is a dipstick who just doesn't get it. Republicanism will have a huge boost when he takes the throne:
I'm not a republican per se, but if it came to that, we shouldn't pass up the opportunity to create a federal UK (assuming Scotland hasn't left by then). I'd solve the 'England's too big' problem by reverting to a version of the historic kingdoms of England.
I'm a monarchist who's exceedingly pissed off at how Charles is going to give monarchy a very bad name and ruin it, and is too stupid to realise it.
He's acquired a number of certainties in his life about how the world works, absolutely believes he's right and - to put it mildly - doesn't exactly relish challenge upon them.
He brings out the Roundhead in me.
Me too. I'm only a monarchist as long as the system works, and the HoS STFU and isn't a politician.
Charles thinks he matters because of who he is, and doesn't realise people listen to him only because of what he is.
Mr. Glenn, different part of the world. Germany is a stitching together of lots of little powers, hence why there are big cities dotted throughout the country and mostly regional newspapers.
England is one country over a thousand years old. London has been pre-eminent for perhaps 800 years or more. The Scottish example is a perfect one of how devolution can lead to division (and might easily lead to separation).
Imagine we have a Yorkshire Parliament and a London Parliament. Demagogues get elected. Yorkshire's tinpot king claims we aren't getting the same spending per head as London, that's unfair (true). London's tinpot king claims the city exports tax revenues and gets criticism rather than praise, and that's time for more to be spent on the city (also true).
It'd stoke up political division and discord by entrenching it in the institutions of government. It'd also be bloody stupid given what's happened between Holyrood and Westminster. Not to mention that England isn't the property of politicians to be carved into petty fiefdoms. Was Scotland divided into Lowlands, Highlands and Islands? Did anyone even suggest that?
I'm English, and I don't want England carving into pieces.
I've warned repeatedly that Charles is a dipstick who just doesn't get it. Republicanism will have a huge boost when he takes the throne:
I'm not a republican per se, but if it came to that, we shouldn't pass up the opportunity to create a federal UK (assuming Scotland hasn't left by then). I'd solve the 'England's too big' problem by reverting to a version of the historic kingdoms of England.
I'm a monarchist who's exceedingly pissed off at how Charles is going to give monarchy a very bad name and ruin it, and is too stupid to realise it.
He's acquired a number of certainties in his life about how the world works, absolutely believes he's right and - to put it mildly - doesn't exactly relish challenge upon them.
He brings out the Roundhead in me.
Me too. I'm only a monarchist as long as the system works, and the HoS STFU and isn't a politician.
Charles thinks he matters because of who he is, and doesn't realise people listen to him only because of what he is.
Somebody said to me years ago, Charles as King will be like a real life production of The Madness of King George III
Mr. Tokyo, there's no appetite today for English separation, but creating devolved assemblies and reducing the land to a patchwork of fiefdoms would create that appetite for separation by politically entrenching division through the structure of devolved institutions.
Mr. Tokyo, there's no appetite today for English separation, but creating devolved assemblies and reducing the land to a patchwork of fiefdoms would create that appetite for separation by politically entrenching division through the structure of devolved institutions.
A federal system is not quite the same as devolution within a unitary state.
I've warned repeatedly that Charles is a dipstick who just doesn't get it. Republicanism will have a huge boost when he takes the throne:
I'm not a republican per se, but if it came to that, we shouldn't pass up the opportunity to create a federal UK (assuming Scotland hasn't left by then). I'd solve the 'England's too big' problem by reverting to a version of the historic kingdoms of England.
I'm a monarchist who's exceedingly pissed off at how Charles is going to give monarchy a very bad name and ruin it, and is too stupid to realise it.
He's acquired a number of certainties in his life about how the world works, absolutely believes he's right and - to put it mildly - doesn't exactly relish challenge upon them.
He brings out the Roundhead in me.
Me too. I'm only a monarchist as long as the system works, and the HoS STFU and isn't a politician.
I think it was Sean Fear who said he might call for Caroline Lucas as PM.
Great to see Lucian back on PB.com again. Like yours truly, he goes back to the very early days of PB. com, often posting through the night under a name I can't instantly remember.
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https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/827107069551587328
The New Dawn posts on Twitter are good, news summaries from 1997. Oddly enough EU & UK relations keep cropping up.
Though their pollster got their exit poll on the EU ref spot on.
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/steve-bannon-sean-spicer-michael-flynn-and-trump-who-heard-malcolm-turnbulls-phone-call-20170202-gu3zo9.html
If it is true, the Betfair price is a steal and UKIP should prob be down to 1.4-1.5 off the back of this poll.
PS: I don't think Stokies could give two flying figs whether Nuttall lives in that house or not. Even assuming they hear it (most won't) everyone knows he's a national leader and not local.
If U.C. Berkeley does not allow free speech and practices violence on innocent people with a different point of view - NO FEDERAL FUNDS?
A national general strike across the US is being called for 17 February – the Friday before President's Day – as a way of protesting the new administration.
Those behind the strike hope that they can cause enough disruption to bring about change in the political system.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-general-strike-us-president-day-when-activists-national-facebook-twitter-a7558851.html
Very sad to hear of the death overnight of Desmond Carrington. He was a radio broadcaster for 70 years and continued to present his Music Goes Around show on Radio 2 until well past his 90th Birthday only stopping last October.
A voice from another era but always a welcome friend on a Friday night.
RIP Mr Carrington
https://twitter.com/drjennings/status/827112108936589313
In 2015 the Tories and UKIP were neck and neck, now they can say only UKIP can beat Labour here.
you must mean socially conservative.
People get that in a way they don't get/care about due process.
All we've had is that facebook poll and now this.
I think we know what conclusion to infer from that.
I thought she was 'wisely biding her time (she wasn't - Trump didn't return her calls pleading to visit as soon as) and was now the 'leader of the Liberal West' (who wants to ban Burkas)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bif7PmlIHwc
Democrats, no, that's not it.....
https://mobile.twitter.com/JGForsyth/status/827117737080213505/photo/1
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/827119326880813056
https://youtu.be/-Mg8AVpe6rY
Hurrah for constitutional crises
I think the key factors that will determine the winner is where is the Brexit debate regarding media coverage in 2 to 3 weeks, and how metropolitan and toxic is Corbyn to people in Stoke. I'm not touching the betting markets but my head says Labour on a low turnout because I don't think any of these UKIP favouring polls carry any weight.
Mr. Royale, HM has mastered the ancient and underrated skill of knowing how to be quiet.
He's acquired a number of certainties in his life about how the world works, absolutely believes he's right and - to put it mildly - doesn't exactly relish challenge upon them.
He brings out the Roundhead in me.
You can count the number of months till all the remaining Commonwealth Realms bugger off on the fingers of one hand.
Sargon of Akkad
Jesus Christ, this lunatic is actually calling for a fucking coup. https://t.co/jBqVzlBuSO
Sarah Silverman
WAKE UP & JOIN THE RESISTANCE. ONCE THE MILITARY IS W US FASCISTS GET OVERTHROWN. MAD KING & HIS HANDLERS GO BYE BYE https://t.co/Y2WZbL012A
From a psychological point of view I can imagine in a place like Stoke where people vote Labour no matter what for generation after generation it might be an effective tactic to tell people that the masses are voting UKIP this time instead in order to break the cycle and hope some kind of groupthink will push people towards the purples.
Unlike in a lot of constituencies I don't think having UKIP ahead will motivate Labour voters to come out in droves to keep out Nuttall. The Labour vote is diminishing, old school and clearly quite soft in Stoke & very different to the 'stop the right at all costs' sort of Labour voter we see in London and Brighton.
I'd suggest that a change is needed, though I suspect that it wouldn't be politically possible at the moment, so that a government can be formed as long as it:
- Contains both unionist and nationalist designations.
- Contains parties representing at least one-third of both nationalist and unionist designations
- Contains parties representing at least one-half of the Assembly.
A party shouldn't be able to bring the Assembly down if there's a viable cross-community alternative.
BREAKING: Shiner guilty over Iraqi claims https://t.co/nMUhzm9Wvb
England is one country over a thousand years old. London has been pre-eminent for perhaps 800 years or more. The Scottish example is a perfect one of how devolution can lead to division (and might easily lead to separation).
Imagine we have a Yorkshire Parliament and a London Parliament. Demagogues get elected. Yorkshire's tinpot king claims we aren't getting the same spending per head as London, that's unfair (true). London's tinpot king claims the city exports tax revenues and gets criticism rather than praise, and that's time for more to be spent on the city (also true).
It'd stoke up political division and discord by entrenching it in the institutions of government. It'd also be bloody stupid given what's happened between Holyrood and Westminster. Not to mention that England isn't the property of politicians to be carved into petty fiefdoms. Was Scotland divided into Lowlands, Highlands and Islands? Did anyone even suggest that?
I'm English, and I don't want England carving into pieces.
On topic, I expect that in reality, the DUP vote share will hardly be affected.
Overall, I'd expect a result like DUP 31, UUP 14, TUV 1, Alliance 8, Sinn Fein 22, SDLP 12, PBP 1, Green 1.
http://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/thousands-of-students-may-be-barred-from-voting-in-stoke-on-trent-central-by-election/story-30097835-detail/story.html
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15066076.Higher_taxes_agreed_in_SNP_Green_budget_deal/?ref=twtrec