We've got at least 4 more years of this humiliating boot-licking of Trump. So much for all that extra post-brexit sovereignty, we are going to subcontract it all out to the US anyway.
So with May our foreign policy is: whatever Trump says, goes. No wonder she is referred to as Trump's pussy!
Love it when people who love to be offended use the same words against people they dislike in politics... delicious hypocrisy!
This should be a no-brainer, we should offer Oz, NZ and maybe Canada Free Movement in toto.
If it's reciprocal, then yes: I'd quite like to live in Australia, *especially* during winter. But if it isn't, then no.
I'm all for free movement with Aus.
Indeed. But reading between the lines, they intend to let them get in but stop me getting out. So I'm not best pleased.
That deal certainly shouldn't be signed.
The Ozzies would be mad to swap their young, educated go getters with our aged winging oldies.......... We already have that deal with the likes of Spain, but thanks to Brexit, our oldies will return, with all their health complaints and we will lose the bright and best and youngest of the likes of Spain. Sad.
The oldies who are spending all their nice pensions drawn from the UK in Spain you mean ? Here in the Philippines the government offers a special visa with extra perks for retirees that have their pension paid here, they love all that new money coming into the country.
This should be a no-brainer, we should offer Oz, NZ and maybe Canada Free Movement in toto.
If it's reciprocal, then yes: I'd quite like to live in Australia, *especially* during winter. But if it isn't, then no.
I'm all for free movement with Aus.
Indeed. But reading between the lines, they intend to let them get in but stop me getting out. So I'm not best pleased.
That deal certainly shouldn't be signed.
The Ozzies would be mad to swap their young, educated go getters with our aged winging oldies.......... We already have that deal with the likes of Spain, but thanks to Brexit, our oldies will return, with all their health complaints and we will lose the bright and best and youngest of the likes of Spain. Sad.
The oldies who are spending all their nice pensions drawn from the UK in Spain you mean ? Here in the Philippines the government offers a special visa with extra perks for retirees that have their pension paid here, they love all that new money coming into the country.
The women of Nice were doing their bit. In English (just) TRUMP BRIDGES NOT WALLS and IMPEACH TRUMP and in French TORTURE PAR HARCELLEMENT LES FEMMES = PREMIERE VICTIMS.
It doesn't take much to get the French protesting on the streets but it's the first time I've seen them do it because they don't like an American President. The Americans have once again shown their dark side and it's good that the rest of the civilized world should register their disapproval.
The L2 is currently operating for 16 countries, including countries in the middle of serious fights like Turkey, over 3000 units are currently in service.
The Challenger 2 is used by the UK and Oman only, comprising less than 500 units, and the 1st Armored Division is currently deployed in German, so not that likely to take many casualties.
It's always a trade off between protection, firepower and mobility. The Leopard series have always emphasized the latter two. I don't think that's particularly controversial.
This should be a no-brainer, we should offer Oz, NZ and maybe Canada Free Movement in toto.
If it's reciprocal, then yes: I'd quite like to live in Australia, *especially* during winter. But if it isn't, then no.
I'm all for free movement with Aus.
Indeed. But reading between the lines, they intend to let them get in but stop me getting out. So I'm not best pleased.
That deal certainly shouldn't be signed.
The Ozzies would be mad to swap their young, educated go getters with our aged winging oldies.......... We already have that deal with the likes of Spain, but thanks to Brexit, our oldies will return, with all their health complaints and we will lose the bright and best and youngest of the likes of Spain. Sad.
The oldies who are spending all their nice pensions drawn from the UK in Spain you mean ? Here in the Philippines the government offers a special visa with extra perks for retirees that have their pension paid here, they love all that new money coming into the country.
Yep.....those pensioners...let's bring em back
I think you might be missing the point. When UK pensioners are in Spain the are essentially taking money from the British government and British pension funds (and hence the British economy) and giving it to the Spanish economy. It doesn't quite work like that when they are in the UK.
This should be a no-brainer, we should offer Oz, NZ and maybe Canada Free Movement in toto.
If it's reciprocal, then yes: I'd quite like to live in Australia, *especially* during winter. But if it isn't, then no.
I'm all for free movement with Aus.
Indeed. But reading between the lines, they intend to let them get in but stop me getting out. So I'm not best pleased.
That deal certainly shouldn't be signed.
The Ozzies would be mad to swap their young, educated go getters with our aged winging oldies.......... We already have that deal with the likes of Spain, but thanks to Brexit, our oldies will return, with all their health complaints and we will lose the bright and best and youngest of the likes of Spain. Sad.
The oldies who are spending all their nice pensions drawn from the UK in Spain you mean ? Here in the Philippines the government offers a special visa with extra perks for retirees that have their pension paid here, they love all that new money coming into the country.
Mate...you are not convincing me it's a good idea to force a load of UK pensioners to come back to the UK....not with our NHS and social care.... I could be wrong....
We've got at least 4 more years of this humiliating boot-licking of Trump. So much for all that extra post-brexit sovereignty, we are going to subcontract it all out to the US anyway.
So with May our foreign policy is: whatever Trump says, goes. No wonder she is referred to as Trump's pussy!
Christ on a bike, she hasn't even spoken to the man yet, and he only put his backside on the presidential seat today. Might be time to take a deep breath and see what happens over the next few months for crying us a river about it.
The unusual thing isn't the crawling come down, it's the fact that being between administrations made the bodge-up happen in the first place. We've been America's echo since Thatcher.
This should be a no-brainer, we should offer Oz, NZ and maybe Canada Free Movement in toto.
If it's reciprocal, then yes: I'd quite like to live in Australia, *especially* during winter. But if it isn't, then no.
I'm all for free movement with Aus.
To think that this would ever be an option is to fatally misapprehend the nature of the Australian national character. British exceptionalism is based on the unshatterable delusion of unsurpassed moral, cultural and ethical development - see Brexit. I guess you can also throw in an ahistorical and largely delusional belief in superlative military prowess too.
Australian exceptionalism, by contrast, is based on the land, the country itself. It's a commonly held belief among Australians that it is simply the finest country in the world to live and that, given the opportunity, everyone else will want to come there. The visceral reaction to any proposed FoM will far outweigh any logical considerations of many will arrive.
There is a also a degree of regret in Australia about their FoM experience with New Zealand which resulted in a great deal of Maori and Pacific Islander migration. This was great for KFC franchisees, rugby teams and tattoo parlours but struggles for appreciation beyond those cohorts.
This should be a no-brainer, we should offer Oz, NZ and maybe Canada Free Movement in toto.
If it's reciprocal, then yes: I'd quite like to live in Australia, *especially* during winter. But if it isn't, then no.
I'm all for free movement with Aus.
Indeed. But reading between the lines, they intend to let them get in but stop me getting out. So I'm not best pleased.
That deal certainly shouldn't be signed.
The Ozzies would be mad to swap their young, educated go getters with our aged winging oldies.......... We already have that deal with the likes of Spain, but thanks to Brexit, our oldies will return, with all their health complaints and we will lose the bright and best and youngest of the likes of Spain. Sad.
The oldies who are spending all their nice pensions drawn from the UK in Spain you mean ? Here in the Philippines the government offers a special visa with extra perks for retirees that have their pension paid here, they love all that new money coming into the country.
Mate...you are not convincing me it's a good idea to force a load of UK pensioners to come back to the UK....not with our NHS and social care.... I could be wrong....
No one is going to be forcing anyone, that is just your eeyore fantasy. Everyone is posturing before A50, and before the German and French elections. After that people are going to have an attack of the sensibles, all the existing EU Citizens in the UK will stay, in exchange for all the existing UK Citizens staying where they are in other EU Countries.
We've got at least 4 more years of this humiliating boot-licking of Trump. So much for all that extra post-brexit sovereignty, we are going to subcontract it all out to the US anyway.
So with May our foreign policy is: whatever Trump says, goes. No wonder she is referred to as Trump's pussy!
Christ on a bike, she hasn't even spoken to the man yet, and he only put his backside on the presidential seat today. Might be time to take a deep breath and see what happens over the next few months for crying us a river about it.
You don't understand - we could only demonstrate our resolve to be independent of the US by voting exactly as they vote in the UN. Voting differently to the US would demonstrate our slavish, cringing attitude to the US.
The women of Nice were doing their bit. In English (just) TRUMP BRIDGES NOT WALLS and IMPEACH TRUMP and in French TORTURE PAR HARCELLEMENT LES FEMMES = PREMIERE VICTIMS.
It doesn't take much to get the French protesting on the streets but it's the first time I've seen them do it because they don't like an American President. The Americans have once again shown their dark side and it's good that the rest of the civilized world should register their disapproval.
Trump will be reviving Bush's Freedom Fries at this rate.
Every puff of wind you extract from the airflow to turn into power changes the eco system. The power will do work and create heat to be dissipated into the atmosphere. The wind is stolen from the sea or land and less moisture evaporates so there is less natural cooling and a change to cloud formation. There is no such thing as free energy, and use of wind has the potential to change climate in a significant way. Every joule of solar power you extract well produce work and heat for mankind. Also the amount of natural heat from the sun that is radiated back into space will diminish. It isn't free. Capture and use of all energy sources have the potential to alter climate, even the bizarrely named green energies.
Sorry, but this nonsense. All the energy arriving from the sun ends up being radiated away again in the end. Energy "stolen" from the wind is eventually radiated in the form of heat from our houses and appliances (rather than from the general terrain). All we're doing with wind farms is diverting some of the energy for useful purposes.
Thanks for pointing that out. The anti-renewables are just nutcases.
Well it is nonsense of you think you can take energy from a place and the removal of that energy will have no effect on the work it was destined to do in the place it is removed from. But that would be a fictional form of energy.
If it was left in it's natural state rather than harvesting it it would alter it's environment. One of the results of that is called weather, the transfer of energy by temperature transfers, moisture and humidity transfers. Harvest the energy as turbine power and the work it was destined to do remains undone, altering the climate in that place.
I'm sure the climate will be devestated by the 0.000000000001% lost energy.
The women of Nice were doing their bit. In English (just) TRUMP BRIDGES NOT WALLS and IMPEACH TRUMP and in French TORTURE PAR HARCELLEMENT LES FEMMES = PREMIERE VICTIMS.
It doesn't take much to get the French protesting on the streets but it's the first time I've seen them do it because they don't like an American President. The Americans have once again shown their dark side and it's good that the rest of the civilized world should register their disapproval.
Darth Vader will soon show up in his Planet Buster: then watch out!
Didn't want to reply to it on Twitter because it'd take many tweets to express a nuanced opinion, but I'm baffled and disturbed by the endorsement of physical violence against someone whose political views are, apparently, beyond the pale.
That's an alarming approach to take. Is it ok to randomly assault communists? Socialists? Kippers? Muslims? Mormons? Sinn Fein? Conservatives?
People whose speech or actions contravene legislation should be charged, prosecuted and sentenced, not subject to the violent whims of those who hold contrary views. Holding an opinion outside the mainstream should not be punishable by becoming a free target for any thug with a grudge.
We must hope this doesn't recur, and retaliatory attacks don't happen either.
Australian exceptionalism, by contrast, is based on the land, the country itself. It's a commonly held belief among Australians that it is simply the finest country in the world to live and that, given the opportunity, everyone else will want to come there. The visceral reaction to any proposed FoM will far outweigh any logical considerations of many will arrive.
Didn't want to reply to it on Twitter because it'd take many tweets to express a nuanced opinion, but I'm baffled and disturbed by the endorsement of physical violence against someone whose political views are, apparently, beyond the pale.
That's an alarming approach to take. Is it ok to randomly assault communists? Socialists? Kippers? Muslims? Mormons? Sinn Fein? Conservatives?
People whose speech or actions contravene legislation should be charged, prosecuted and sentenced, not subject to the violent whims of those who hold contrary views. Holding an opinion outside the mainstream should not be punishable by becoming a free target for any thug with a grudge.
We must hope this doesn't recur, and retaliatory attacks don't happen either.
Every puff of wind you extract from the airflow to turn into power changes the eco system. The power will do work and create heat to be dissipated into the atmosphere. The wind is stolen from the sea or land and less moisture evaporates so there is less natural cooling and a change to cloud formation. There is no such thing as free energy, and use of wind has the potential to change climate in a significant way. Every joule of solar power you extract well produce work and heat for mankind. Also the amount of natural heat from the sun that is radiated back into space will diminish. It isn't free. Capture and use of all energy sources have the potential to alter climate, even the bizarrely named green energies.
Sorry, but this nonsense. All the energy arriving from the sun ends up being radiated away again in the end. Energy "stolen" from the wind is eventually radiated in the form of heat from our houses and appliances (rather than from the general terrain). All we're doing with wind farms is diverting some of the energy for useful purposes.
Thanks for pointing that out. The anti-renewables are just nutcases.
Well it is nonsense of you think you can take energy from a place and the removal of that energy will have no effect on the work it was destined to do in the place it is removed from. But that would be a fictional form of energy.
If it was left in it's natural state rather than harvesting it it would alter it's environment. One of the results of that is called weather, the transfer of energy by temperature transfers, moisture and humidity transfers. Harvest the energy as turbine power and the work it was destined to do remains undone, altering the climate in that place.
No, I'm afraid it is nonsense - Feersum Enjineeya is right (Iain M Banks reference?) Global warming results in more extreme weather with higher winds and bigger storms. Taking some energy out in the form of wind power is all to the good. Using that to replace CO2 generation is also to the good. However the amounts of energy removed would be a minuscule percentage of the total.
No one is going to be forcing anyone, that is just your eeyore fantasy. Everyone is posturing before A50, and before the German and French elections. After that people are going to have an attack of the sensibles, all the existing EU Citizens in the UK will stay, in exchange for all the existing UK Citizens staying where they are in other EU Countries.
I don't think you know what you are talking about....my educated, highly skilled Italian wife has been told under no uncertain terms that she needs to return to the UK before Article 50 otherwise she places her UK residency in jeopardy.... She's a higher UK tax payer, has taken no services, and has been contributing to the UK economy for 20 years or so....but she has been out of the UK for over six months in these last years, so all her previous doesn't count for anything....
Last year we contributed over 50k alone in taxes combined without taking one penny back in UK services....
To claim residency she is allowed to leave the UK for 60 days per year...she needs to spend a number of these with work.
Effectively she is faced with a choice of returning to the UK to start a residency application and abandoning her ailing parents..at the moment we live 5 miles away; or her staying in Italy and facing the real possibility of losing any possibility of gaining UK residency....
When people said Brexit was taking back control, I don't think anyone could even begin to comprehend the kind of constraints and implications that Brexit is forcing on us, and the consequences this will have on her parents....
The casual derogatory comment "they would be overrun with Brits" is there for all to see. Trying to explain it away isn't going to work.
Unlimited immigration to Britain it seems is good while migration of Brits to Aus, Can and NZ would be bad for the locals.
That Brits emigrating to Aus, Can and NZ would be moving to countries with highly similar cultural and economic features while the unlimited immigration to Britain which you support is from far more dissimilar countries merely highlights your hypocrisy.
And I suspect there is far more available land for development in Aus, Can and NZ than there is in Britain. IIRC SeanT wrote about a stretch of Victoria 'half the size of England with only the population of Southampton'.
If you are going to go try to expose me as a vile leftie hypocrite you are best off not making stuff up about me being in favour of unlimited immigration into the UK and thinking it would be bad for people in Australia, Canada and New Zealand.
I get that you hold people who have views like mine in utter contempt and I am going to dig deep to learn to live with that; but you just make yourself look silly when you invent beliefs for me that I do not hold in order to justify the feelings you have.
Just enjoy the hate, don't seek to rationalise it. You end up making a fool of yourself.
Didn't want to reply to it on Twitter because it'd take many tweets to express a nuanced opinion, but I'm baffled and disturbed by the endorsement of physical violence against someone whose political views are, apparently, beyond the pale.
That's an alarming approach to take. Is it ok to randomly assault communists? Socialists? Kippers? Muslims? Mormons? Sinn Fein? Conservatives?
People whose speech or actions contravene legislation should be charged, prosecuted and sentenced, not subject to the violent whims of those who hold contrary views. Holding an opinion outside the mainstream should not be punishable by becoming a free target for any thug with a grudge.
We must hope this doesn't recur, and retaliatory attacks don't happen either.
That is, quite simply, appalling!
At my university, there was a bunch of rather violent SWPers. The staff went out of their way to cover for them. On one occasion, after they attacked someone for having the wrong views, a lecturer turned up at the Student Union to demand that we refuse to handover the CCTV tape to the police.
Sadly, one evening as I was trying to relax in the Union, the leader of this clown show appeared, and started trying to bait me. Because I have some Polish ancestry he was making references to the Katyn massacre. Yes, a Trot was Stalin worshipping... I said I couldn't hear. He repeated the remarks. I repeated that I couldn't hear. He then shouted his abuse. At that point I left, and went to the pool room.
That's an alarming approach to take. Is it ok to randomly assault communists? Socialists? Kippers? Muslims? Mormons? Sinn Fein? Conservatives?
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew.
'They' being the Nazis.
If only someone had spoken up for those poor brownshirts being smacked about by the Reds in 1920's Germany, what a lot of grief could have been avoided.
That's an alarming approach to take. Is it ok to randomly assault communists? Socialists? Kippers? Muslims? Mormons? Sinn Fein? Conservatives?
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew.
'They' being the Nazis.
If only someone had spoken up for those poor brownshirts being smacked about by the Reds in 1920's Germany, what a lot of grief could have been avoided.
Do you think I am really thick and did not know the origins of that poem.....
That's an alarming approach to take. Is it ok to randomly assault communists? Socialists? Kippers? Muslims? Mormons? Sinn Fein? Conservatives?
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew.
'They' being the Nazis.
If only someone had spoken up for those poor brownshirts being smacked about by the Reds in 1920's Germany, what a lot of grief could have been avoided.
If someone had locked up both sides for the crimes they actually committed and prosecuted them both with great vigor, the leading lights on both sides would have been rather quieter. Being hanged by the neck until dead would have slowed them down a tad.
The result of vigilante violence has never, ever been social justice.
No one is going to be forcing anyone, that is just your eeyore fantasy. Everyone is posturing before A50, and before the German and French elections. After that people are going to have an attack of the sensibles, all the existing EU Citizens in the UK will stay, in exchange for all the existing UK Citizens staying where they are in other EU Countries.
I don't think you know what you are talking about....my educated, highly skilled Italian wife has been told under no uncertain terms that she needs to return to the UK before Article 50 otherwise she places her UK residency in jeopardy.... She's a higher UK tax payer, has taken no services, and has been contributing to the UK economy for 20 years or so....but she has been out of the UK for over six months in these last years, so all her previous doesn't count for anything....
Last year we contributed over 50k alone in taxes combined without taking one penny back in UK services....
To claim residency she is allowed to leave the UK for 60 days per year...she needs to spend a number of these with work.
Effectively she is faced with a choice of returning to the UK to start a residency application and abandoning her ailing parents..at the moment we live 5 miles away; or her staying in Italy and facing the real possibility of losing any possibility of gaining UK residency....
When people said Brexit was taking back control, I don't think anyone could even begin to comprehend the kind of constraints and implications that Brexit is forcing on us, and the consequences this will have on her parents....
It's also extremely unfair. It appears likely that anyone with a foreign parent or grandparent including me may have, or be able to reestablish, citizenship of that counry, enabling them to live elsewhere in the EU. Possibly more than 25% of the UK population will have a Danish granny, a French mother, an Irish father or something similar.
I wonder if other EU countries are as restrictive as this on residency. 60 days sounds very low.
I don't think you know what you are talking about....my educated, highly skilled Italian wife has been told under no uncertain terms that she needs to return to the UK before Article 50 otherwise she places her UK residency in jeopardy.... She's a higher UK tax payer, has taken no services, and has been contributing to the UK economy for 20 years or so....but she has been out of the UK for over six months in these last years, so all her previous doesn't count for anything....
as I said
"all the existing EU Citizens in the UK will stay."
What you are coping with there is what those of us with spouses from outside the EU have been coping with for the last forty years. Ask Mr Sandpit.
My wife and two of my kids have been in the UK for the past year while I have been in the Philippines for exactly the sort of reason you cite, there is someone here I need to take care of, it happens.
No one is going to be forcing anyone, that is just your eeyore fantasy. Everyone is posturing before A50, and before the German and French elections. After that people are going to have an attack of the sensibles, all the existing EU Citizens in the UK will stay, in exchange for all the existing UK Citizens staying where they are in other EU Countries.
I don't think you know what you are talking about....my educated, highly skilled Italian wife has been told under no uncertain terms that she needs to return to the UK before Article 50 otherwise she places her UK residency in jeopardy.... She's a higher UK tax payer, has taken no services, and has been contributing to the UK economy for 20 years or so....but she has been out of the UK for over six months in these last years, so all her previous doesn't count for anything....
Last year we contributed over 50k alone in taxes combined without taking one penny back in UK services....
To claim residency she is allowed to leave the UK for 60 days per year...she needs to spend a number of these with work.
Effectively she is faced with a choice of returning to the UK to start a residency application and abandoning her ailing parents..at the moment we live 5 miles away; or her staying in Italy and facing the real possibility of losing any possibility of gaining UK residency....
When people said Brexit was taking back control, I don't think anyone could even begin to comprehend the kind of constraints and implications that Brexit is forcing on us, and the consequences this will have on her parents....
It's also extremely unfair. It appears likely that anyone with a foreign parent or grandparent including me may have, or be able to reestablish, citizenship of that counry, enabling them to live elsewhere in the EU. Possibly more than 25% of the UK population will have a Danish granny, a French mother, an Irish father or something similar.
I wonder if other EU countries are as restrictive as this on residency. 60 days sounds very low.
Sorry ......It's 90 days per year.....but this still doesn't change the fundamentals....my wife travels abroad alot with work, so her time in Italy will be rationed....
Before all this Brexit nonsense it was something that we never even considered otherwise my wife would have taken residency when we lived in the UK......
Following my last post, It's really striking how well Bill Clinton performed with blue collar White voters, twenty years ago, in rural/small town/medium town America, compared with his wife's performance in 2016. He won Arkansas, Louisiana, West Virginia, Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Iowa by double-digit margins. He also carried Tennessee, Missouri, Kentucky, Arizona, Ohio. All of those now look out of reach or the Democrats, apart from Arizona and Pennsylvania.
All that the Democrats have gained in return is Virginia.
Swings from 2000:
wv 17.93 tenn 11.15 (loss of Gore factor) arka 10.75 miss 7.85 kent 7.36 ri 7.36 okla 7.26 alab 6.72 loui 5.99 iow 4.91 nd 4.07 sd 3.53 wyo 3.12 mich 2.68 conn 2.67 penn 2.65 ohio 2.52 ny 1.97 indi 1.81 nj 1.55 main 1.22 miss 0.83 dela 0.81 flor 0.69 wisc 0.58 min 0.44 kans 0.15 mass 0 nh -0.82 sc -0.84 nebr -1.32 ariz -1.36 illi -1.99 mon -2.27 neva -2.98 geor -3.27 idah -3.84 nm -4.08 mary -4.16 nc -4.55 oreg -5.28 wash -5.35 texa -6.11 (loss of Bush factor) colo -6.62 hawa -6.64 virg -6.68 alas -7.89 verm -8.02 cali -8.75 utah -10.75 (Ind factor)
Swings to the Republicans in Appalachia and along the Mississippi Swings to the Democrats along both coasts
Its really not dissimilar to that seen in UK - swings to Labour in the cities and away from Labour in rural and industrial areas.
The left in both the U.K and U.s face a prediciment. There is a continuing shift in america from former industrial towns to large cities. Most of the people who make the move are more liberal (or become so) and so leave behind a more conservative population. And because the big cities are concetrated in fewer states the conservative vote becomes more efficient. Under both the E.C and FPTP that is a big problem for the centre left parties. I think the issue is more pronounced in the U.S because they seem to move around much more.
The problem becomes self-reinforcing, because the Left ceases to be able to compromise with voters outside big cities. The latter think the Left will give them Social Justice good and hard if they win, so they make sure they vote Right.
Rural areas and small towns are increasingly out of reach for the left but that has long been the case, it is the suburbs which decide elections, Obama was able to carry the suburbs for example
That's a problem for the US Left. There are more small rural States than there are big urbanised States, but every State elects two Senators.
That's an alarming approach to take. Is it ok to randomly assault communists? Socialists? Kippers? Muslims? Mormons? Sinn Fein? Conservatives?
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew.
'They' being the Nazis.
If only someone had spoken up for those poor brownshirts being smacked about by the Reds in 1920's Germany, what a lot of grief could have been avoided.
Do you think I am really thick and did not know the origins of that poem.....
In that case I've no clue what your point is. What bearing that has on any potential thickness, who can say.
I don't think you know what you are talking about....my educated, highly skilled Italian wife has been told under no uncertain terms that she needs to return to the UK before Article 50 otherwise she places her UK residency in jeopardy.... She's a higher UK tax payer, has taken no services, and has been contributing to the UK economy for 20 years or so....but she has been out of the UK for over six months in these last years, so all her previous doesn't count for anything....
as I said
"all the existing EU Citizens in the UK will stay."
What you are coping with there is what those of us with spouses from outside the EU have been coping with for the last forty years. Ask Mr Sandpit.
My wife and two of my kids have been in the UK for the past year while I have been in the Philippines for exactly the sort of reason you cite, there is someone here I need to take care of, it happens.
But my wife isn't from outside the EU...and has been a UK taxpayer for 20 years. The problem is that she currently is not living in the UK, so any rights conferred to EU residents living in the UK doesn't apply to her.
The implications of Brexit means that my wife has to return to live in the UK and can only leave for 90 days a year....her parents are in Italy.....
I seriously doubt that my wife would have considered marrying someone if it involved putting such constraints on where she lived ing the future
Try explaining this one to octogenarians in failing health......I cannot live here anymore because of Brexit..
I don't think you know what you are talking about....my educated, highly skilled Italian wife has been told under no uncertain terms that she needs to return to the UK before Article 50 otherwise she places her UK residency in jeopardy.... She's a higher UK tax payer, has taken no services, and has been contributing to the UK economy for 20 years or so....but she has been out of the UK for over six months in these last years, so all her previous doesn't count for anything....
as I said
"all the existing EU Citizens in the UK will stay."
What you are coping with there is what those of us with spouses from outside the EU have been coping with for the last forty years. Ask Mr Sandpit.
My wife and two of my kids have been in the UK for the past year while I have been in the Philippines for exactly the sort of reason you cite, there is someone here I need to take care of, it happens.
But my wife isn't from outside the EU...and has been a UK taxpayer for 20 years. The problem is that she currently is not living in the UK, so any rights conferred to EU residents living in the UK doesn't apply to her.
The implications of Brexit means that my wife has to return to live in the UK and can only leave for 90 days a year....her parents are in Italy.....
I seriously doubt that my wife would have considered marrying someone if it involved putting such constraints on where she lived ing the future
Try explaining this one to octogenarians in failing health......I cannot live here anymore because of Brexit..
Why would you ever want to live in the UK when you have the option to live in Italy and from what you say can easily afford it.
Thankyou Morris. The right response instead of someone saying things like: All EU residents living in the UK will automatically get UK residency status...doesn't apply to my wife;
or this was always the case with non EU marriages previously.........well that was something that they knew;
We have been advised by solicitors that in the next period the immigration department will be utterly ruthless with applications for UK residency. Your records need to be completely watertight and make sure you have a cast iron UK residence before article 50......
Following my last post, It's really striking how well Bill Clinton performed with blue collar White voters, twenty years ago, in rural/small town/medium town America, compared with his wife's performance in 2016. He won Arkansas, Louisiana, West Virginia, Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Iowa by double-digit margins. He also carried Tennessee, Missouri, Kentucky, Arizona, Ohio. All of those now look out of reach or the Democrats, apart from Arizona and Pennsylvania.
All that the Democrats have gained in return is Virginia.
Swings from 2000:
wv 17.93 tenn 11.15 (loss of Gore factor) arka 10.75 miss 7.85 kent 7.36 ri 7.36 okla 7.26 alab 6.72 loui 5.99 iow 4.91 nd 4.07 sd 3.53 wyo 3.12 mich 2.68 conn 2.67 penn 2.65 ohio 2.52 ny 1.97 indi 1.81 nj 1.55 main 1.22 miss 0.83 dela 0.81 flor 0.69 wisc 0.58 min 0.44 kans 0.15 mass 0 nh -0.82 sc -0.84 nebr -1.32 ariz -1.36 illi -1.99 mon -2.27 neva -2.98 geor -3.27 idah -3.84 nm -4.08 mary -4.16 nc -4.55 oreg -5.28 wash -5.35 texa -6.11 (loss of Bush factor) colo -6.62 hawa -6.64 virg -6.68 alas -7.89 verm -8.02 cali -8.75 utah -10.75 (Ind factor)
Swings to the Republicans in Appalachia and along the Mississippi Swings to the Democrats along both coasts
Its really not dissimilar to that seen in UK - swings to Labour in the cities and away from Labour in rural and industrial areas.
The left in both the U.K and U.s face a prediciment. There is a continuing shift in america from former industrial towns to large cities. Most of the people who make the move are more liberal (or become so) and so leave behind a more conservative popuuch more.
The problem becomes self-reinforcing, because the Left ceases to be able to compromise with voters outside big cities. The latter think the Left will give them Social Justice good and hard if they win, so they make sure they vote Right.
Rural areas and small towns are increasingly out of reach for the left but that has long been the case, it is the suburbs which decide elections, Obama was able to carry the suburbs for example
That's a problem for the US Left. There are more small rural States than there are big urbanised States, but every State elects two Senators.
Yes but not so big an issue for the presidential election because of the Electoral College and the Democrats never need to win small rural states to take the Senate
The casual derogatory comment "they would be overrun with Brits" is there for all to see. Trying to explain it away isn't going to work.
Unlimited immigration to Britain it seems is good while migration of Brits to Aus, Can and NZ would be bad for the locals.
That Brits emigrating to Aus, Can and NZ would be moving to countries with highly similar cultural and economic features while the unlimited immigration to Britain which you support is from far more dissimilar countries merely highlights your hypocrisy.
And I suspect there is far more available land for development in Aus, Can and NZ than there is in Britain. IIRC SeanT wrote about a stretch of Victoria 'half the size of England with only the population of Southampton'.
If you are going to go try to expose me as a vile leftie hypocrite you are best off not making stuff up about me being in favour of unlimited immigration into the UK and thinking it would be bad for people in Australia, Canada and New Zealand.
I get that you hold people who have views like mine in utter contempt and I am going to dig deep to learn to live with that; but you just make yourself look silly when you invent beliefs for me that I do not hold in order to justify the feelings you have.
Just enjoy the hate, don't seek to rationalise it. You end up making a fool of yourself.
LOL
Who's the snowflake now.
Its a bit silly to deny you're not in favour of the unlimited immigration that the EU allows when you've been whining for weeks that any restrictions on immigration from the EU will supposedly make you work for more years and have fewer public services.
And pretend as you will you still made the xenophobic bigoted comment 'overrun with Brits'.
On the original thread, a simple correction. George Bush Senior is a more recent example than Jimmy Carter of a one term President. He lost to Bill Clinton in 1992 after one term.
On the original thread, a simple correction. George Bush Senior is a more recent example than Jimmy Carter of a one term President. He lost to Bill Clinton in 1992 after one term.
After 12 years of his party in power not 4 as the thread correctly states, so not comparable to 2020
So one site out of the dozens that reported the story mentions it.
Also, it looks like the new WhiteHouse website isn't totally emptyish. There are pages mentioning 'America First Energy Plan', and 'America First Foreign Policy' (and several other Trump policy plans). Yet when I type in 'LGBT' in the WhiteHouse website search engine it doesn't come up with any results. So it looks like this is more than just archiving.
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It doesn't take much to get the French protesting on the streets but it's the first time I've seen them do it because they don't like an American President. The Americans have once again shown their dark side and it's good that the rest of the civilized world should register their disapproval.
Ruling to be published 09:30 Tuesday.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/21/four-versions-brexit-law-prepared-ministers-braced-court-defeat/
https://twitter.com/paulnuttallukip/status/822824165698846721
Australian exceptionalism, by contrast, is based on the land, the country itself. It's a commonly held belief among Australians that it is simply the finest country in the world to live and that, given the opportunity, everyone else will want to come there. The visceral reaction to any proposed FoM will far outweigh any logical considerations of many will arrive.
There is a also a degree of regret in Australia about their FoM experience with New Zealand which resulted in a great deal of Maori and Pacific Islander migration. This was great for KFC franchisees, rugby teams and tattoo parlours but struggles for appreciation beyond those cohorts.
I may be missing some zeros
https://twitter.com/IanHigton/status/822755826062544897
Didn't want to reply to it on Twitter because it'd take many tweets to express a nuanced opinion, but I'm baffled and disturbed by the endorsement of physical violence against someone whose political views are, apparently, beyond the pale.
That's an alarming approach to take. Is it ok to randomly assault communists? Socialists? Kippers? Muslims? Mormons? Sinn Fein? Conservatives?
After all, as Charlie "However did we get to this stage?" Brooker said some time ago: https://twitter.com/IamalrightJack/status/682367488714248196
People whose speech or actions contravene legislation should be charged, prosecuted and sentenced, not subject to the violent whims of those who hold contrary views. Holding an opinion outside the mainstream should not be punishable by becoming a free target for any thug with a grudge.
We must hope this doesn't recur, and retaliatory attacks don't happen either.
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Global warming results in more extreme weather with higher winds and bigger storms. Taking some energy out in the form of wind power is all to the good. Using that to replace CO2 generation is also to the good. However the amounts of energy removed would be a minuscule percentage of the total.
Should help with his Ph.D studies.
Edited extra bit: actually, that's short enough for one tweet.
Go down to the film of the boy getting an autograph from Mark Hughes. It's funny!
http://www.skysports.com/football/stoke-vs-man-utd/live/356553
https://twitter.com/BBCNewsnight/status/822738220400066560
No one is going to be forcing anyone, that is just your eeyore fantasy. Everyone is posturing before A50, and before the German and French elections. After that people are going to have an attack of the sensibles, all the existing EU Citizens in the UK will stay, in exchange for all the existing UK Citizens staying where they are in other EU Countries.
@Also.....
I don't think you know what you are talking about....my educated, highly skilled Italian wife has been told under no uncertain terms that she needs to return to the UK before Article 50 otherwise she places her UK residency in jeopardy.... She's a higher UK tax payer, has taken no services, and has been contributing to the UK economy for 20 years or so....but she has been out of the UK for over six months in these last years, so all her previous doesn't count for anything....
Last year we contributed over 50k alone in taxes combined without taking one penny back in UK services....
To claim residency she is allowed to leave the UK for 60 days per year...she needs to spend a number of these with work.
Effectively she is faced with a choice of returning to the UK to start a residency application and abandoning her ailing parents..at the moment we live 5 miles away; or her staying in Italy and facing the real possibility of losing any possibility of gaining UK residency....
When people said Brexit was taking back control, I don't think anyone could even begin to comprehend the kind of constraints and implications that Brexit is forcing on us, and the consequences this will have on her parents....
I get that you hold people who have views like mine in utter contempt and I am going to dig deep to learn to live with that; but you just make yourself look silly when you invent beliefs for me that I do not hold in order to justify the feelings you have.
Just enjoy the hate, don't seek to rationalise it. You end up making a fool of yourself.
Sadly, one evening as I was trying to relax in the Union, the leader of this clown show appeared, and started trying to bait me. Because I have some Polish ancestry he was making references to the Katyn massacre. Yes, a Trot was Stalin worshipping... I said I couldn't hear. He repeated the remarks. I repeated that I couldn't hear. He then shouted his abuse. At that point I left, and went to the pool room.
People tried to blame me for what happened next!
If only someone had spoken up for those poor brownshirts being smacked about by the Reds in 1920's Germany, what a lot of grief could have been avoided.
The result of vigilante violence has never, ever been social justice.
I don't think you know what you are talking about....my educated, highly skilled Italian wife has been told under no uncertain terms that she needs to return to the UK before Article 50 otherwise she places her UK residency in jeopardy.... She's a higher UK tax payer, has taken no services, and has been contributing to the UK economy for 20 years or so....but she has been out of the UK for over six months in these last years, so all her previous doesn't count for anything....
Last year we contributed over 50k alone in taxes combined without taking one penny back in UK services....
To claim residency she is allowed to leave the UK for 60 days per year...she needs to spend a number of these with work.
Effectively she is faced with a choice of returning to the UK to start a residency application and abandoning her ailing parents..at the moment we live 5 miles away; or her staying in Italy and facing the real possibility of losing any possibility of gaining UK residency....
When people said Brexit was taking back control, I don't think anyone could even begin to comprehend the kind of constraints and implications that Brexit is forcing on us, and the consequences this will have on her parents....
It's also extremely unfair. It appears likely that anyone with a foreign parent or grandparent including me may have, or be able to reestablish, citizenship of that counry, enabling them to live elsewhere in the EU. Possibly more than 25% of the UK population will have a Danish granny, a French mother, an Irish father or something similar.
I wonder if other EU countries are as restrictive as this on residency. 60 days sounds very low.
"all the existing EU Citizens in the UK will stay."
What you are coping with there is what those of us with spouses from outside the EU have been coping with for the last forty years. Ask Mr Sandpit.
My wife and two of my kids have been in the UK for the past year while I have been in the Philippines for exactly the sort of reason you cite, there is someone here I need to take care of, it happens.
I wonder if other EU countries are as restrictive as this on residency. 60 days sounds very low.
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Sorry ......It's 90 days per year.....but this still doesn't change the fundamentals....my wife travels abroad alot with work, so her time in Italy will be rationed....
Before all this Brexit nonsense it was something that we never even considered otherwise my wife would have taken residency when we lived in the UK......
What bearing that has on any potential thickness, who can say.
But my wife isn't from outside the EU...and has been a UK taxpayer for 20 years. The problem is that she currently is not living in the UK, so any rights conferred to EU residents living in the UK doesn't apply to her.
The implications of Brexit means that my wife has to return to live in the UK and can only leave for 90 days a year....her parents are in Italy.....
I seriously doubt that my wife would have considered marrying someone if it involved putting such constraints on where she lived ing the future
Try explaining this one to octogenarians in failing health......I cannot live here anymore because of Brexit..
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All EU residents living in the UK will automatically get UK residency status...doesn't apply to my wife;
or this was always the case with non EU marriages previously.........well that was something that they knew;
We have been advised by solicitors that in the next period the immigration department will be utterly ruthless with applications for UK residency. Your records need to be completely watertight and make sure you have a cast iron UK residence before article 50......
Who's the snowflake now.
Its a bit silly to deny you're not in favour of the unlimited immigration that the EU allows when you've been whining for weeks that any restrictions on immigration from the EU will supposedly make you work for more years and have fewer public services.
And pretend as you will you still made the xenophobic bigoted comment 'overrun with Brits'.
Also, it looks like the new WhiteHouse website isn't totally emptyish. There are pages mentioning 'America First Energy Plan', and 'America First Foreign Policy' (and several other Trump policy plans). Yet when I type in 'LGBT' in the WhiteHouse website search engine it doesn't come up with any results. So it looks like this is more than just archiving.